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<v Speaker 1>I get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Underdog Underdog addition, as we

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<v Speaker 1>meet an undrafted rookie who ranks among the most freakishly

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<v Speaker 1>athletic players on the Bengals roster, plus a five questions

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<v Speaker 1>chat with third round draft pick McKinley. Jackson, produces a

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<v Speaker 1>candidate for Quote of the Year, and we look at

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<v Speaker 1>the eleven players on the Bengals Ring of Honor ballot

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most intriguing undrafted rookies on the bench

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<v Speaker 1>roster is wide receiver and kick returner Cole Burgess. He

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<v Speaker 1>played at Sunny Cortland. That stands for State University of

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<v Speaker 1>New York at Cortland. It's a small school about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes from Syracuse University. Syracuse is my alma mater, but

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<v Speaker 1>Cortland is the alma mater of a Bengals coach, and

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<v Speaker 1>that helps explain why Cole Burgess is looking to make

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<v Speaker 1>his NFL dream come true in Cincinnati. Call you won

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<v Speaker 1>a Division three National championship last year at Suny Cortland

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<v Speaker 1>and Upstate New York, which happens to be the alma

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<v Speaker 1>mater of the Bengals offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>two have much contact prior to winding up with the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but not as much as you would expect. He

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<v Speaker 2>called me pre or post prode and just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like gave me the scoop on what to expect coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think he reached out one more time

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<v Speaker 2>before the draft, talking about like, hey, we want you

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<v Speaker 2>here if you don't end up getting drafted. And then

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<v Speaker 2>seventh round rolls around and if it wasn't looking like

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<v Speaker 2>I was getting drafted, and they were talking with my

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<v Speaker 2>agent and we had that deal in place for if

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't get drafted. So right after the draft he

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<v Speaker 2>calls me up and says, you're ready to come over it.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd be a bank. Did you know much about him

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<v Speaker 1>playing at Courtland?

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<v Speaker 2>Not knew about him, but I didn't really know in

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<v Speaker 2>much details. I knew he played there. I saw him

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<v Speaker 2>in the record books in a few spots, and I

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<v Speaker 2>knew he was a Bengals coach, and I knew he

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<v Speaker 2>just got promoted the offensive coordinator, but other than that,

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<v Speaker 2>I really didn't know much about him at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us why you signed with Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>I signed with Cincinnati because a few reasons. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>a follower of Cincinnati, not a fan, but I've been

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<v Speaker 2>following the team. I think they got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>potential here, and I think there's opportunity for a guy

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<v Speaker 2>like me to come in here and make the roster

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<v Speaker 2>and help the team win on special teams, on offense,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this guy's a limit. And also having a

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<v Speaker 2>coach like coach pitcherd be in my corner, Like there's

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<v Speaker 2>not many teams that would have anybody coaching wise that

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<v Speaker 2>would be looking after me, but just has to have

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<v Speaker 2>that little little advantage over in other teams is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>why I came here.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you start following Cincinnati and when did you start

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<v Speaker 1>following Cincinnati?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably one Burrow and Chase guy here. I was following

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<v Speaker 2>them a lot at LSU. That was one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite college college teams to watch, So just following their

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<v Speaker 2>career and just watching their fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>So Courtland doesn't have a pro day, how did you

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<v Speaker 1>show NFL scouts what you're capable of doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually got recommended to go to two pro days

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<v Speaker 2>at Buffalo and Syracuse, so I was able to able

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<v Speaker 2>to just show my skills like the rest of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And you crushed it at those pro days. A four

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<v Speaker 1>four forty, a forty one and a half inch vertical,

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<v Speaker 1>which is insane. You broad jumped more than eleven feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Did interest from NFL teams skyrocket after you posted those numbers?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was when the ball started rolling and teams

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<v Speaker 2>started to show a little bit interest.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got good size as well. You're six feet tall,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ninety two pounds and obviously a great athlete.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did you attend Courtland?

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<v Speaker 2>I went to a small high school in upstate New

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<v Speaker 2>York and didn't really get much exposure coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>high school. So the three is the only route I had,

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<v Speaker 2>and Courtland was a good opportunity. I played baseball and

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<v Speaker 2>football there my freshman year, and you know, people always

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<v Speaker 2>ask why I did not transfer, But to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Courtland was the best spot for me throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time, and we ended up winning that national

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<v Speaker 2>championship there and I was able to showcase my skills

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<v Speaker 2>on the highest level.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're not just a guy that posted great numbers

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<v Speaker 1>at a pro day. Here are some of your stats

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<v Speaker 1>from the last couple of years at Courtland. Twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown catches in your career, you averaged nearly eighteen yards

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<v Speaker 1>a catch. You had three kickoff returns for touchdowns. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the big question now is level of competition. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what you are looking to show now that you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a Bengals uniform.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm trying to show it to everybody, including myself.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know what my capability is against

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<v Speaker 2>these guys, but I know that I have the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>to go up against them, so I like my chances.

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<v Speaker 2>I got confidence, and I'm just ready to go out

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<v Speaker 2>there and just keep playing the same game I've been

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<v Speaker 2>playing my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting that Division III National championship, you caught the game

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<v Speaker 1>winner with less than two minutes to go. Describe that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Surreal, just catching it and realizing I was going to score,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at myself on the jumbo tron, looking at my

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<v Speaker 2>teammates faces, looking at the crowd. I mean, then they

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<v Speaker 2>went down and scored again, So that didn't last long,

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<v Speaker 2>but we ended up winning that game, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>just the infestment of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>So while you were at Courtland, you got suspended for

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<v Speaker 1>a year, But these were not high crimes and misdemeanors.

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<v Speaker 1>You threw a Halloween party apparently during COVID and they

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<v Speaker 1>suspended you. How did you overcome that?

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<v Speaker 2>Just that whole time, I never let myself get down

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<v Speaker 2>about the situation. I just knew that I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to make the most out of it. I couldn't change

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<v Speaker 2>my situation, so all I could do was just make

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<v Speaker 2>the most of it. So I just was grinding that

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<v Speaker 2>whole time to make myself a better person, a better athletes.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I did step back on the field, I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be that much better.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't just a football thing too. They suspended

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<v Speaker 1>you from school, is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the whole campus.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't go in for two semesters. Wow, So what'd

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<v Speaker 1>you do? I had a couple of.

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<v Speaker 2>Jobs, but worked out a lot. That was when I

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<v Speaker 2>was my strongest and my biggest, and just mentally I

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<v Speaker 2>grew in. I started, you know, getting in the religion

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<v Speaker 2>and meditating and just just help trying to make myself

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<v Speaker 2>just grow as a person. As well as as a

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<v Speaker 2>as a like a football player.

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<v Speaker 1>So Cole, as you mentioned, you've had an interest in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals since Burrow and Chase arrived. How surreal is

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<v Speaker 1>it going to be to catch passes from Joe and

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<v Speaker 1>be in meeting rooms with Jamar.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know yet. I know it's gonna be crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not gonna hit me until it hits me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, every time I walk in the locker room

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<v Speaker 2>or sometimes I just be going it like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there, But yeah, it's gonna be cool. I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>to meet him, so I get working with them, Excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see you do it. Welcome to Cincinnati, best look

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<v Speaker 1>going forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>The media was allowed to attend practice on Tuesday, and

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, we saw the Bengals working on

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL's new kickoff format. It's going to take some

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<v Speaker 1>getting used to. The coverage team lines up at the

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<v Speaker 1>other team's forty yard line. That's twenty five yards ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of the ball. Nine members of the return team are

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<v Speaker 1>lined up between five and ten yards away. They're in

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<v Speaker 1>close proximity in order to cut down on dangerous high

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<v Speaker 1>speed collisions, and those players can't move until the ball

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<v Speaker 1>hits the ground or one of the two kick returners

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<v Speaker 1>who have to line up between the goal line and

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty Cole Burgess was among the players fielding kickoffs

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<v Speaker 1>at practice, along with Chase Brown, Trayveon Williams, Chris Evans,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jermaine Burton. Speaking of Burton, the third round draft

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<v Speaker 1>pick joined me on last week's podcast to answer five

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<v Speaker 1>unusual questions. I've been hitting the rookies with questions that

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't been getting in other interviews. This week, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals other third round draft pick might have given me

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<v Speaker 1>the quote of the year. All right, time for five

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<v Speaker 1>questions with rookie McKinley Jackson. Question number one, has anybody

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<v Speaker 1>ever told you that your name sounds like a US

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<v Speaker 1>president McKinley Jackson.

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<v Speaker 4>I get this from a lot of people, Will McKinley

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<v Speaker 4>or introjection. Yeah, so, I mean, I'd be like, Mama,

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<v Speaker 4>just get me a unique name.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't help your So, your first name, McKinley, has

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<v Speaker 1>two ends, which is also a little bit unusual. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there a story behind being named McKinley.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just some uniqueness, you know. I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 4>it hurt the name, but you know, it's just more

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<v Speaker 4>to sign on my signature. So like that's that's better.

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<v Speaker 4>I could practice my curse will little better.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, the graph seekers would like to see your cursive.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, question number two. You're a big man six, two, three,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six. At Texas A and M. You did not

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<v Speaker 1>wear a big man number. You were thirty five and

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<v Speaker 1>then you were number three. Why those numbers?

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<v Speaker 4>So thirty five was is you know, a last tar

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<v Speaker 4>number for me? But you know I made most of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I put a good name on that number.

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<v Speaker 4>But number three year is a significant to my best

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<v Speaker 4>friend who passed away with my first media college from

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<v Speaker 4>back home, so you know, I awarded to symbolize him.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been waiting off my first men to get the number,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, I mean I had to wait my

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<v Speaker 4>turn for it, and I think it just holds a

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<v Speaker 4>special media in my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't just you know, it wasn't just to be warned.

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<v Speaker 4>It was more to be you know, signor five for him,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, just embraced him, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>know he's thinking about me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. Had he worn the number three in high school?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're doing five questions with McKinley Jackson. Question

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<v Speaker 1>number three, you were one of the top defensive line

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<v Speaker 1>recruits in the country. He basically could have gone anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>out of high school. What coach was it hardest to

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<v Speaker 1>deliver the news to that you weren't coming to his school.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't say them names, but uh, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's one guy that, like, you know, definitely is especially

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<v Speaker 4>guy in college football. I feel like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>made a bus decision for me, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>mean I would love to, you know, be coach barn

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<v Speaker 4>but at the end of the day, I had to

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<v Speaker 4>make a decision for me. But you know, how could

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<v Speaker 4>it was to him and his team, and I appreciate

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<v Speaker 4>them for you know, you can give an opportunity, especially

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<v Speaker 4>coming from a small town like I did.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't want to share any names, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough? Question number four, you were mister foot in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Mississippi. I read somewhere that you are

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<v Speaker 1>like an expert on Mississippi high school football legends. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that true, sir? Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I just like looking at the history of

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<v Speaker 4>it because I feel like we, uh under the radar

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to high school football. Talent and especially

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<v Speaker 4>in the NFL nowadays. So you know, I got to like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, broadcast that up to the world. And I know,

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<v Speaker 4>like we're one of those guys, Like we might have

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<v Speaker 4>produce the most guys, but we produced some real some

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<v Speaker 4>real talent.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you know about them? Typically their hometown,

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<v Speaker 1>their high school, their achievements, but do you know high school?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, and effect they're FM Misissippi like guys like

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<v Speaker 4>leaning down like a J. Brown, the Mario Davies, so DK,

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<v Speaker 4>Mitchale Woodie, gay guys like that, you know, just represent

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<v Speaker 4>them and let them know, like Mississippi has a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of a lot of powerful talents, to include myself now

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<v Speaker 4>camp makers of you know, the list goes on and on.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, I'm just I'm glad to be part

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<v Speaker 4>of the part of the list right now.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, where's AJ Brown from?

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<v Speaker 4>He's from Starkville, Chris Jones, Chris Jones, he's from I

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<v Speaker 4>want to say, I ain't gonna say Columbia. He's from

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<v Speaker 4>both the.

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<v Speaker 1>Macon Houston or Houston. I don't know how it's pronounced,

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi Houston. Yeah, we go back to Walter Payton. I

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<v Speaker 1>say Columbia. Correct, Okay, all right, you know you know

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<v Speaker 1>you're Mississippi legend. Yes you did. All right? Fifth and

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<v Speaker 1>final question, tell me one thing about you that not

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<v Speaker 1>that many people know.

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<v Speaker 4>When it comes with football, I'm a real but I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't play this game really nice at all. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I have the feel it's all fun. It's fun and

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<v Speaker 4>survivors chier.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a great teammate, goods to be around, but I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna feel I'm gonna pel But like I like to win,

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<v Speaker 4>I hate to lose a little wins, So you know

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<v Speaker 4>I get it. I put that on my teammate. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>stress him a lot right now. I'm trying to earn

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<v Speaker 4>that role of like you know, I've been a leader

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, really standing my power. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to push it and maximize everyone's a potentially

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<v Speaker 4>each and every day. And I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that's how I gotta be Like Jordan did it, Kobe

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<v Speaker 4>did it. It's reason why he howled the ball. It

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't because he was a ball, because he was. You

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<v Speaker 4>want to be a winner, so I got I took

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<v Speaker 4>them in so overn football.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to football. I'm a real butthole? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that the quote of the year? According all right, now,

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<v Speaker 1>very presidential from McKinley Jackson, but a great quote. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate your time. It's great to have you in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>Best of luck going forward.

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you appreciation.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's hoping that the guys that try to block McKinley

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<v Speaker 1>this year know exactly what he means by that quote.

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<v Speaker 1>got underway for the Bengals twenty twenty four Ring of

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<v Speaker 1>Honor class. There are eleven former players on the ballot,

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<v Speaker 1>and who better to discuss them than team president Mike Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an edited version of an interview I did

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<v Speaker 1>with Mike when the Bengals formed the Ring of Honor

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<v Speaker 1>three years ago. We moved to the all time leading

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<v Speaker 1>scorer in team history and the Bengals kicker for thirteen years,

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<v Speaker 1>wearing that little size five shoe on his kicking foot.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Breach.

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<v Speaker 3>We came up with Jimmy. He was let go by

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<v Speaker 3>Oakland and I don't know what all befell him out there,

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<v Speaker 3>but he came here and he wasn't long as kickers go,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was a great competitor. You could turn up

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<v Speaker 3>the heat on him and it didn't matter. We'd be

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<v Speaker 3>in a game where we had to have a field

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<v Speaker 3>go to win it, and when he was kicking you

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have much concern about it because he just was

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<v Speaker 3>good for it. He made him all seem that might

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<v Speaker 3>seem to the casual obs is nothing so special. Why

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't he That's what he's paid to do, they might say, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>believe me, that's not what most of them do do.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't manage to hold up when the pressure's on.

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<v Speaker 3>But Jimmy did for us for a good number of years.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he still has the most points of anyone

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<v Speaker 3>ever with the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>Never missed a kick in overtime, a perfect nine for nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Breach. I've heard the next player on the list

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as the toughest player pound for pound in

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<v Speaker 1>team history. Running back James Brooks.

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<v Speaker 3>James was a player we acquired from San Diego. We

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<v Speaker 3>traded Pete Johnson, who was a fine player, and we

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<v Speaker 3>got in return James Brooks. They were opposites. Pete was

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<v Speaker 3>a big power back. James was an offsized, asked quick scooter.

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<v Speaker 3>He could catch the ball, had wonderful hands, great receiver.

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<v Speaker 3>He was excellent running too. You would have misjudged him

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<v Speaker 3>if you looked at him and said, well, he's too

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<v Speaker 3>small to be a great runner. But he was a

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<v Speaker 3>great runner, not just outside but inside as well. And

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<v Speaker 3>he did one other thing that was exceptional. He was

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<v Speaker 3>a terrific pass protector. He was small, but he knew

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<v Speaker 3>how to go about pass protection. He took these rushers on.

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<v Speaker 3>They could be big people, defensive lineman, and he would

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<v Speaker 3>pop right up into him and joke them. He didn't

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<v Speaker 3>back down. He wasn't afraid, and he knew which ones

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<v Speaker 3>to pick up. That too, takes a little bit of skill.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to to mount, and he could and did so.

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<v Speaker 3>He had everything that a back should have. He could

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<v Speaker 3>run the ball, he could pass protect, he could catch

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<v Speaker 3>the ball, and you referred to him as tough. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know for sure sometimes exactly what tough is,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you're talking about it meaning a football player

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<v Speaker 3>who did everything ask of him, James Brooks was that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty one, your top two draft picks were

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<v Speaker 1>wide receivers, the sculpted David Versa out of Kansas in

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<v Speaker 1>round one, and then a skinny, gangly kid out of

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<v Speaker 1>Florida in round two who turned out to pay pretty

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<v Speaker 1>darn good. Chris Collinsworth.

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<v Speaker 3>A story on Chris goes back to when they had

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<v Speaker 3>what was the equivalent of the Combine in those days,

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<v Speaker 3>it was down in Tampa. They weigh and measure players

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<v Speaker 3>and work them out. They did that back then differently,

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<v Speaker 3>but they did it then as they do it today

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<v Speaker 3>over in Indianapolis. When we have the combine. Chris walked

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<v Speaker 3>out on the not the stage as it would be today,

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<v Speaker 3>but he walked out in front of the assembled scouts,

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<v Speaker 3>which were probably twenty some in the room, looking up

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<v Speaker 3>at the scales where the players would be weighed. And

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<v Speaker 3>Chris got on the scales and you could hear the snickers,

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<v Speaker 3>and Chris understood, he knew what was going on in

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<v Speaker 3>their minds, and he, to his credit, laughed and they

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<v Speaker 3>laughed with him. I forgot what he weighed, but it

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<v Speaker 3>certainly wasn't very much. He was tall six or four

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<v Speaker 3>plus and just as skinny as you could draw one up.

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<v Speaker 3>So when it came to the draft, we picked David

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<v Speaker 3>Verser in the first round, who had all the majoraballs

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<v Speaker 3>you could imagine, very fast, good size, very productive and

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<v Speaker 3>a player in college. And then in the second round

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<v Speaker 3>Lindy and Fonte, who was an assistant coach for us,

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<v Speaker 3>the equivalent of the offensive coordinator, if you will. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think we gave him that title. No one had

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<v Speaker 3>titles back in those days. He argued for Chris and

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<v Speaker 3>my father, who could say yay or nay on the

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<v Speaker 3>draft as to which player we took or didn't take.

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<v Speaker 3>He kept hearing Lindy when we were in the first round,

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<v Speaker 3>and then in the second round he didn't give up.

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<v Speaker 3>He still went on. My father said, oh, will take

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<v Speaker 3>him too. We doubled up on receivers, and what a

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<v Speaker 3>good thing it was for us that we did. When

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<v Speaker 3>Chris came on, I recall being out at Spinnyfield, our

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<v Speaker 3>practice site, and watching and you knew immediately you had

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<v Speaker 3>a special player.

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<v Speaker 4>He was.

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<v Speaker 3>For a big guy, tall guy, quick. He could move

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<v Speaker 3>sideways quickly, and he had acceleration, he had top end speed,

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<v Speaker 3>he could catch everything, and he seemed to have his

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<v Speaker 3>wits about him all the time. You knew right away

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<v Speaker 3>that you had a special player. And occasionally you have

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<v Speaker 3>that experience. You draft the guy, he comes in and

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<v Speaker 3>you just know you have one. And when you get

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<v Speaker 3>the good ones, that's what makes your team special. And

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<v Speaker 3>he was one of those. A great receiver.

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<v Speaker 1>He played the role of country Bumpkin early in his career,

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<v Speaker 1>but went on to get a law degree. He's had

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<v Speaker 1>a great broadcasting career. He's the honor of Pro Football Focus.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously a guy that's had a tremendous career after football.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's been very successful in his endeavors after football.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember what you were referring to Country Bumpkin. He

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<v Speaker 3>put on an act if you will that aus shucks,

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<v Speaker 3>poor country boy me. How could you expect me to

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<v Speaker 3>know anything? And that's when he was being interviewed by

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<v Speaker 3>the media. But he wasn't that way with the guys

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<v Speaker 3>or anybody else. That was just something that he tried

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<v Speaker 3>out for a while, and to his credit discarded not

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<v Speaker 3>soon enough came his real self, which is all you

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<v Speaker 3>would need to be very successful in a media career.

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<v Speaker 3>And just look at the success he's had.

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<v Speaker 1>We are reminiscing about the Bengals Ring of Honor candidates

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<v Speaker 1>with President Mike Brown. The team's all time leading rusher

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<v Speaker 1>is Corey Dylan, who ran angry for seven years in

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati and had two of the best games of all

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<v Speaker 1>time two hundred and forty six yards as a rookie

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<v Speaker 1>and then two seventy eight against the Broncos in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>an NFL single game record at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that game. They couldn't stop us, and Corey

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<v Speaker 3>just ran right over top of him. It was so

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<v Speaker 3>bad that the next week they fired their defensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was somewhat unfair. Corey was power back,

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<v Speaker 3>and when you first saw him, what you saw was

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<v Speaker 3>a guy that ran heavy. He was a two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and thirty pound guy, and when he ran he had balance.

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<v Speaker 3>He seemed to sink into the ground as he ran.

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<v Speaker 3>You hit him and you were hitting a stump. He

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<v Speaker 3>had the ability to run inside, the ability to run outside,

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<v Speaker 3>and you say, angry I don't know if that's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>the right word, but determined, there's no question about that.

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<v Speaker 3>And he did have emotion. He carried it with him.

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<v Speaker 4>He was our.

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<v Speaker 3>Top runner of all time. And unfortunately we couldn't hang

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<v Speaker 3>on and we couldn't manage him. At the end, he

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<v Speaker 3>got out of sorts about what I don't even remember,

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<v Speaker 3>but we couldn't keep him content, so we felt obligated

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<v Speaker 3>to trade him. We traded him up to a Belichick

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<v Speaker 3>in New England, and for them, he took the Patriots

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<v Speaker 3>to two Super Bowls. So he did it here, he

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<v Speaker 3>did it there. He could do it period wherever he was.

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<v Speaker 3>And yes, a top player, a great player.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember you describing observing him. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>at Spinnyfield early in his Bengals tenure, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like the earth moved when he got going. Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember being on the sideline and he ran by

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<v Speaker 3>after he had caught a ball out wide, and he

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<v Speaker 3>was close to me, and as he ran by, I

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<v Speaker 3>honestly felt the ground shake underfoot, and that registered with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never had that experience with another back. But you

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have wanted to tackle him if you were a cornerback.

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<v Speaker 3>I guarantee you.

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<v Speaker 1>That another of the game changers in franchise history was

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<v Speaker 1>David Fulcher. You didn't see safeties that were six three,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and thirty eight pounds who could be used

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<v Speaker 1>in so many ways before him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was a big safety, to say the least.

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<v Speaker 3>We Dick le Bow was our secondary coach, and he

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<v Speaker 3>took folchure and used him in a way that got

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<v Speaker 3>out of David what he had to give. But that

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<v Speaker 3>sounds as though I'm describing a player who was slow.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't slow. He was just big. And when I

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<v Speaker 3>say big at the end of his career, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think I'm exaggerating when I say he was actually at

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<v Speaker 3>two sixty. Tell me when you last saw a safety

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<v Speaker 3>at two sixty. The way they used him, the way

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<v Speaker 3>we used him was we had him up closer to

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<v Speaker 3>the line of scrimmage as much as possible. And not

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<v Speaker 3>that he couldn't play deep. He could, but up front

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 3>he was like an extra linebacker, and he would nub

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<v Speaker 3>him when he hit him, they were hit and stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>He was an exceptional player, one of a kind. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never seen one quite like him before or since.

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<v Speaker 1>A tenth round draft pick in nineteen eighty three, became

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best defensive players in franchise history, a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who led the team in tackles five times as

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<v Speaker 1>a noseguard, which is unheard of.

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<v Speaker 3>Tim CRUMRAI, Yeah, Timmy came to us out of Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't anything that we thought much about when he came.

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 3>He was off size small for a defensive tackle. When

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.640
<v Speaker 3>they went home. This was after the draft. He came

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 3>when they went home. We get together with the players later.

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<v Speaker 3>We brought him in for some work and we didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even bother to tell him to come because we didn't

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 3>think he could do anything much. But he came anyway,

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 3>which showed you how he saw the world. And he

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.119
<v Speaker 3>was dead right. He could do a whole heck of

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 3>a lot. He became a great player, and he had

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:32.920
<v Speaker 3>tremendous competitiveness. He just would compete until he dropped. He

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 3>had no give in him. He was a high school wrestler,

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 3>college wrestler, and that showed. I've always respected the kids

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 3>players who were wrestlers because in my book, that's the

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:51.439
<v Speaker 3>toughest sport. Of all those guys, they can't quit because

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.439
<v Speaker 3>if they get quit. They just get to malledge. They

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 3>learned not to. Timmy was that way. He didn't have

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 3>any quit in him. And I remember, of course, in

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.440
<v Speaker 3>the Super Bowl game down Miami when he broke his leg,

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.120
<v Speaker 3>and that was a tragedy for him and us both.

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<v Speaker 3>Without him, we weren't quite the same defensively, and if

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 3>he hadn't been hurt, we would have had a better

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 3>chance in that game.

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<v Speaker 1>My broadcast partner, Dave Lapham was smart enough off the

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<v Speaker 1>field to get admitted into Harvard although he chose Syracuse,

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>and smart enough on the field to play all five

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>offensive line spots in the same game multiple times.

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Dave was smart enough, no one questions that, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>never what stood out about him in my mind. He

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 3>went beyond that. He was built like a football player.

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<v Speaker 3>The first time I ever saw him, he was in

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<v Speaker 3>his shorts and a training table at the Blue Gray

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 3>game down in Alabama, and jeez, I looked at him

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 3>and I said, this guy, he's built like they're supposed

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 3>to be. Big go over. He was an excellent player

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 3>and he could play anywhere you needed him. But it

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 3>went beyond that. He has become someone tied to the

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Bengals in his own special way. He was a player

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:27.959
<v Speaker 3>for us and later he was an announcer for us.

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 3>He can tell our story. He's been around here close

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 3>on to fifty years as a player and as an announcer.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 3>He knows all the guys that were here from the

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 3>beginning on, and he can tell about them. He's a

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 3>good storyteller. I know this doesn't have much to do

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 3>with being in the Ring of Honor, but as a personality,

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 3>he liked being around him. He's fun and that isn't

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 3>something unique with me. Everyone feels that way. They gravitate

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 3>towards them because he just makes the occasion happier. I'm

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 3>glad he's in this list. He's deserving.

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<v Speaker 1>Could not agree with you more. Clapp was the starting

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>left guard on the nineteen eighty one Super Bowl team.

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>The starting right guard in both Super Bowls, as a

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, was Max Montoya, probably the greatest guard

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<v Speaker 1>in franchise history.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a great player. Max had a cherubic face.

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 3>You would have thought he was innocent as a lamb,

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 3>but he had a dark heart As a football player.

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 3>He showed no mercy. He was rough and he could

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 3>dish it out he could take it. When he was

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 3>on the field, there was no quarter given or asked.

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 3>But for us, he was with a great group of

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 3>offensive linemen. That group that he was a member of

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 3>was my favorite of all time for us. And Max

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 3>could not only block straight ahead, he could pull and

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 3>run to the outside, where he was very effective, probably

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 3>the best pulling guard we ever had. I have a

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>high regard for Max. He's done well with his life

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:36.719
<v Speaker 3>after football, and I respect him. I respect him as

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<v Speaker 3>a player and as a man.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the many great nicknames in team history is

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Leaping Lamar, for Lamar Parrish, who scored thirteen touchdowns on

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>returns and recoveries and set a team record by averaging

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 1>nearly nineteen yards per punt return in nineteen seventy four.

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<v Speaker 3>Lamar deserves more people remember him than do I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why that's so. During his time here I think

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 3>was about seven years he played for us, he was

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 3>the most talented cornerback we ever had, and we've had

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 3>some great cornerbacks, but he was also the best returner

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 3>we ever had. And the one story that we stood

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 3>out in my mind about Lamar was when we played

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Washington here, they had a good team, and we had

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 3>something like three yards total offense. We didn't move the

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 3>ball at all. We won the game. We went it

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 3>on returns. Lamar on one punt return when to a

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 3>group of players that looked like a ball of players

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 3>that he dove into and somehow he ran out the

0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 3>back end of all this accumulated group of players and

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 3>went on without losing stride for a touchdown. It was

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 3>a very odd looking play. And when he came off

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 3>the field, my dad said, Lamar, how did it look

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 3>when you ran inside with all those players? Always said, Coach,

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 3>it was dark in there. How I explained, And my

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 3>dad loved that story, and I loved it because he

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 3>loved it.

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>But it was just.

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 3>A description about Lamar, who could do exceptional things at

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 3>his position. He had exceptional, unique, almost quickness. He could

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 3>cover like a blanket, receivers didn't get open on him,

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 3>and he could play the ball. We had on the

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 3>other side. Kenny was over there, and we had two

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>corners equal of any team ever.

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Long before there were great receiving tight ends like Tony

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Gonzalez and Travis Kelcey. The Bengals helped pioneer moving the

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>tight end all around the formation with a twelfth round

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>draft pick named Bob Trumpy.

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:23.240
<v Speaker 3>Trumpy had a storied relationship with the Bengals as a player.

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:29.760
<v Speaker 3>As an announcer, he became a public figure here locally

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 3>as a radio call in show host. He was good

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 3>at that. But as a player when he started out here,

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 3>he was probably off size for where we put him

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 3>a tight end, but he could really run and he

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 3>would take cover two. That's when they have two safeties

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the field, run right through it

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 3>and they couldn't keep up with them. Safeties couldn't keep

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 3>up with them alone own the linebackers. He made big

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 3>plays for us, helped that Greg Cook was the quarterback

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 3>for him one year when Greg was our quarterback before

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:18.760
<v Speaker 3>he got hurt, and then Kenny Anderson came along. Bob

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 3>bought the attention of other teams that we played at.

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 3>Kansas City, for example, at that time, was the top

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 3>team in the league, and they won to trade for

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 3>him right away after we played them, and I always

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 3>remembered how insistent they were, and that was a no

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 3>go with us. We had Bob for a long career

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 3>here as a tight end and he was a receiving

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 3>tight end, but a willing blocker. He would face up

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 3>on guys and he wasn't afraid to do it. But

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 3>as a receiver was as good as they came at

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 3>his position.

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Finally, a linebacker from your alma mater, Dartmouth College, who

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 1>was a Bengals starter for fourteen years, Reggie Williams.

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 3>Reggie and I both went to Dartmouth, so when he

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:19.359
<v Speaker 3>came along up there, I was anxious to get him

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 3>for us. I knew about him, and Dartmouth isn't so

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:29.839
<v Speaker 3>much a powerhouse as a football team and Ivy league team.

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 3>I think Dartmouth did win the national championship in the

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 3>twenties one time, but Reggie came along much after that,

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 3>and at Dartmouth today he's considered the best player they've

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 3>ever had here. He was very athletic, very willing, very

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 3>competitive and determined, and he was a steady player for

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 3>us for I think for teen or fifteen years, whatever

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 3>it was. It played a long time, and he was

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 3>smart as well as tough.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a treat for me. I really appreciate

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:12.399
<v Speaker 1>your time. Thank you very much.

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 3>We'll enjoy doing it too.

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Two of those eleven players will be selected by season

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>ticket members and suite holders this year, joining Paul Brown,

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Munoz, Ken Anderson, Willie Anderson, Ken Riley, Isaac Curtis

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Boomersiasin and Chad Johnson in the Ring of Honor. They

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<v Speaker 1>will be inducted at halftime of the Monday night home

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>game against Washington on September twenty third. That's week three

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