1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,399 Speaker 1: I get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Underdog Underdog addition, as we 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: meet an undrafted rookie who ranks among the most freakishly 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: athletic players on the Bengals roster, plus a five questions 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: chat with third round draft pick McKinley. Jackson, produces a 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: candidate for Quote of the Year, and we look at 7 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: the eleven players on the Bengals Ring of Honor ballot 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: with team president Mike Brown. 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It's the greatest thing since 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: the Greater's Ice Cream Truck. My son Sam graduated from 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: high school last week and we teamed up with the 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: parents of his three closest buddies to throw a graduation 21 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: party for the four boys. The party was a rousing success, 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: thanks in no small part to our decision to reserve 23 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: the Greater's ice Cream Truck for the occasion. It's basically 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: a Greater Scoop shop on wheels with a wide variety 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: of flavors, Chip, Wheelie's, sorbet, you name it. So if 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: you're looking for something to make a celebration extra special, 27 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: consider renting the Greater's ice Cream Truck. It puts the 28 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: cherry on top of the Sunday. Now let's get to football. 29 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: One of the most intriguing undrafted rookies on the bench 30 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: roster is wide receiver and kick returner Cole Burgess. He 31 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: played at Sunny Cortland. That stands for State University of 32 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: New York at Cortland. It's a small school about thirty 33 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: minutes from Syracuse University. Syracuse is my alma mater, but 34 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: Cortland is the alma mater of a Bengals coach, and 35 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: that helps explain why Cole Burgess is looking to make 36 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: his NFL dream come true in Cincinnati. Call you won 37 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: a Division three National championship last year at Suny Cortland 38 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: and Upstate New York, which happens to be the alma 39 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: mater of the Bengals offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher. Did you 40 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: two have much contact prior to winding up with the Bengals. 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but not as much as you would expect. He 42 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: called me pre or post prode and just kind of 43 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: like gave me the scoop on what to expect coming up. 44 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: And then I think he reached out one more time 45 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: before the draft, talking about like, hey, we want you 46 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: here if you don't end up getting drafted. And then 47 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: seventh round rolls around and if it wasn't looking like 48 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: I was getting drafted, and they were talking with my 49 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: agent and we had that deal in place for if 50 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: I didn't get drafted. So right after the draft he 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 2: calls me up and says, you're ready to come over it. 52 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: He'd be a bank. Did you know much about him 53 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: playing at Courtland? 54 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: Not knew about him, but I didn't really know in 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: much details. I knew he played there. I saw him 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: in the record books in a few spots, and I 57 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: knew he was a Bengals coach, and I knew he 58 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: just got promoted the offensive coordinator, but other than that, 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: I really didn't know much about him at all. 60 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: Tell us why you signed with Cincinnati. 61 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: I signed with Cincinnati because a few reasons. I've been 62 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: a follower of Cincinnati, not a fan, but I've been 63 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: following the team. I think they got a lot of 64 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: potential here, and I think there's opportunity for a guy 65 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: like me to come in here and make the roster 66 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: and help the team win on special teams, on offense, 67 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: I think this guy's a limit. And also having a 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: coach like coach pitcherd be in my corner, Like there's 69 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: not many teams that would have anybody coaching wise that 70 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: would be looking after me, but just has to have 71 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: that little little advantage over in other teams is definitely 72 00:03:58,600 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: why I came here. 73 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: Did you start following Cincinnati and when did you start 74 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: following Cincinnati? 75 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: Probably one Burrow and Chase guy here. I was following 76 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: them a lot at LSU. That was one of my 77 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: favorite college college teams to watch, So just following their 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: career and just watching their fun to watch. 79 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: So Courtland doesn't have a pro day, how did you 80 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: show NFL scouts what you're capable of doing. 81 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: I actually got recommended to go to two pro days 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: at Buffalo and Syracuse, so I was able to able 83 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: to just show my skills like the rest of them. 84 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: And you crushed it at those pro days. A four 85 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: four forty, a forty one and a half inch vertical, 86 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: which is insane. You broad jumped more than eleven feet. 87 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: Did interest from NFL teams skyrocket after you posted those numbers? 88 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was when the ball started rolling and teams 89 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 2: started to show a little bit interest. 90 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: So you've got good size as well. You're six feet tall, 91 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety two pounds and obviously a great athlete. 92 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: Why did you attend Courtland? 93 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: I went to a small high school in upstate New 94 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: York and didn't really get much exposure coming out of 95 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: high school. So the three is the only route I had, 96 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: and Courtland was a good opportunity. I played baseball and 97 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: football there my freshman year, and you know, people always 98 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: ask why I did not transfer, But to be honest, 99 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: I thought Courtland was the best spot for me throughout 100 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: the whole time, and we ended up winning that national 101 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: championship there and I was able to showcase my skills 102 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: on the highest level. 103 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: So you're not just a guy that posted great numbers 104 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: at a pro day. Here are some of your stats 105 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: from the last couple of years at Courtland. Twenty seven 106 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: touchdown catches in your career, you averaged nearly eighteen yards 107 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: a catch. You had three kickoff returns for touchdowns. I 108 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: guess the big question now is level of competition. Is 109 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: that what you are looking to show now that you're 110 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: in a Bengals uniform. 111 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to show it to everybody, including myself. 112 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what my capability is against 113 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: these guys, but I know that I have the numbers 114 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: to go up against them, so I like my chances. 115 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: I got confidence, and I'm just ready to go out 116 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: there and just keep playing the same game I've been 117 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: playing my whole life. 118 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: Getting that Division III National championship, you caught the game 119 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: winner with less than two minutes to go. Describe that moment. 120 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: Surreal, just catching it and realizing I was going to score, 121 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: looking at myself on the jumbo tron, looking at my 122 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: teammates faces, looking at the crowd. I mean, then they 123 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: went down and scored again, So that didn't last long, 124 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: but we ended up winning that game, and that was 125 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: just the infestment of my life. 126 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: So while you were at Courtland, you got suspended for 127 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: a year, But these were not high crimes and misdemeanors. 128 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: You threw a Halloween party apparently during COVID and they 129 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: suspended you. How did you overcome that? 130 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: Just that whole time, I never let myself get down 131 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: about the situation. I just knew that I was going 132 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: to make the most out of it. I couldn't change 133 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: my situation, so all I could do was just make 134 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 2: the most of it. So I just was grinding that 135 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: whole time to make myself a better person, a better athletes. 136 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: So when I did step back on the field, I 137 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: was going to be that much better. 138 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just a football thing too. They suspended 139 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: you from school, is that correct? 140 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole campus. 141 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't go in for two semesters. Wow, So what'd 142 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: you do? I had a couple of. 143 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: Jobs, but worked out a lot. That was when I 144 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: was my strongest and my biggest, and just mentally I 145 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: grew in. I started, you know, getting in the religion 146 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: and meditating and just just help trying to make myself 147 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: just grow as a person. As well as as a 148 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: as a like a football player. 149 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: So Cole, as you mentioned, you've had an interest in 150 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: the Bengals since Burrow and Chase arrived. How surreal is 151 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: it going to be to catch passes from Joe and 152 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: be in meeting rooms with Jamar. 153 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: I don't know yet. I know it's gonna be crazy, 154 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: but it's not gonna hit me until it hits me, 155 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: you know, every time I walk in the locker room 156 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: or sometimes I just be going it like. 157 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: Oh there, But yeah, it's gonna be cool. I'm excited 158 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: to meet him, so I get working with them, Excited 159 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: to see you do it. Welcome to Cincinnati, best look 160 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: going forward. 161 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 162 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: The media was allowed to attend practice on Tuesday, and 163 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: for the first time, we saw the Bengals working on 164 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: the NFL's new kickoff format. It's going to take some 165 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: getting used to. The coverage team lines up at the 166 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: other team's forty yard line. That's twenty five yards ahead 167 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: of the ball. Nine members of the return team are 168 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: lined up between five and ten yards away. They're in 169 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: close proximity in order to cut down on dangerous high 170 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: speed collisions, and those players can't move until the ball 171 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: hits the ground or one of the two kick returners 172 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: who have to line up between the goal line and 173 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: the twenty Cole Burgess was among the players fielding kickoffs 174 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: at practice, along with Chase Brown, Trayveon Williams, Chris Evans, 175 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: and Jermaine Burton. Speaking of Burton, the third round draft 176 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: pick joined me on last week's podcast to answer five 177 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: unusual questions. I've been hitting the rookies with questions that 178 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: they haven't been getting in other interviews. This week, the 179 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: Bengals other third round draft pick might have given me 180 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: the quote of the year. All right, time for five 181 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: questions with rookie McKinley Jackson. Question number one, has anybody 182 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: ever told you that your name sounds like a US 183 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: president McKinley Jackson. 184 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 4: I get this from a lot of people, Will McKinley 185 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 4: or introjection. Yeah, so, I mean, I'd be like, Mama, 186 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 4: just get me a unique name. 187 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: I can't help your So, your first name, McKinley, has 188 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: two ends, which is also a little bit unusual. Is 189 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: there a story behind being named McKinley. 190 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, just some uniqueness, you know. I don't feel like 191 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: it hurt the name, but you know, it's just more 192 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: to sign on my signature. So like that's that's better. 193 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 4: I could practice my curse will little better. 194 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: Oh, the graph seekers would like to see your cursive. 195 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: All right, question number two. You're a big man six, two, three, 196 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: twenty six. At Texas A and M. You did not 197 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: wear a big man number. You were thirty five and 198 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: then you were number three. Why those numbers? 199 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: So thirty five was is you know, a last tar 200 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 4: number for me? But you know I made most of it. 201 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 4: I think I put a good name on that number. 202 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: But number three year is a significant to my best 203 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 4: friend who passed away with my first media college from 204 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: back home, so you know, I awarded to symbolize him. 205 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 4: I've been waiting off my first men to get the number, 206 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 4: but you know, I mean I had to wait my 207 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: turn for it, and I think it just holds a 208 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 4: special media in my heart. 209 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't just you know, it wasn't just to be warned. 210 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 4: It was more to be you know, signor five for him, 211 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 4: and you know, just embraced him, and you know, I 212 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 4: know he's thinking about me. 213 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Had he worn the number three in high school? 214 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: All right, we're doing five questions with McKinley Jackson. Question 215 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: number three, you were one of the top defensive line 216 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: recruits in the country. He basically could have gone anywhere 217 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: out of high school. What coach was it hardest to 218 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: deliver the news to that you weren't coming to his school. 219 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 4: I don't say them names, but uh, you know, it's 220 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: it's one guy that, like, you know, definitely is especially 221 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: guy in college football. I feel like, you know, I 222 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: made a bus decision for me, but you know, I 223 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: mean I would love to, you know, be coach barn 224 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, I had to 225 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 4: make a decision for me. But you know, how could 226 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: it was to him and his team, and I appreciate 227 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: them for you know, you can give an opportunity, especially 228 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 4: coming from a small town like I did. 229 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: But you don't want to share any names, all right? 230 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: Fair enough? Question number four, you were mister foot in 231 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: the state of Mississippi. I read somewhere that you are 232 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: like an expert on Mississippi high school football legends. Is 233 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: that true, sir? Uh? 234 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 4: You know, I just like looking at the history of 235 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 4: it because I feel like we, uh under the radar 236 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: when it comes to high school football. Talent and especially 237 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 4: in the NFL nowadays. So you know, I got to like, 238 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 4: you know, broadcast that up to the world. And I know, 239 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 4: like we're one of those guys, Like we might have 240 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 4: produce the most guys, but we produced some real some 241 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 4: real talent. 242 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: So what do you know about them? Typically their hometown, 243 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: their high school, their achievements, but do you know high school? 244 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 4: You know, and effect they're FM Misissippi like guys like 245 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 4: leaning down like a J. Brown, the Mario Davies, so DK, 246 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: Mitchale Woodie, gay guys like that, you know, just represent 247 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 4: them and let them know, like Mississippi has a lot 248 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 4: of a lot of powerful talents, to include myself now 249 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 4: camp makers of you know, the list goes on and on. 250 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 4: So you know, I'm just I'm glad to be part 251 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 4: of the part of the list right now. 252 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: All right, where's AJ Brown from? 253 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 4: He's from Starkville, Chris Jones, Chris Jones, he's from I 254 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 4: want to say, I ain't gonna say Columbia. He's from 255 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:03,359 Speaker 4: both the. 256 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: Macon Houston or Houston. I don't know how it's pronounced, 257 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: Mississippi Houston. Yeah, we go back to Walter Payton. I 258 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: say Columbia. Correct, Okay, all right, you know you know 259 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: you're Mississippi legend. Yes you did. All right? Fifth and 260 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: final question, tell me one thing about you that not 261 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: that many people know. 262 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 4: When it comes with football, I'm a real but I don't. 263 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 4: I don't play this game really nice at all. You know, 264 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: I have the feel it's all fun. It's fun and 265 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 4: survivors chier. 266 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: You know. 267 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 4: I'm a great teammate, goods to be around, but I'm 268 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 4: gonna feel I'm gonna pel But like I like to win, 269 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 4: I hate to lose a little wins, So you know 270 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 4: I get it. I put that on my teammate. You know, 271 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 4: stress him a lot right now. I'm trying to earn 272 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 4: that role of like you know, I've been a leader 273 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 4: and you know, really standing my power. But you know, 274 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 4: I want to push it and maximize everyone's a potentially 275 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 4: each and every day. And I feel like, you know, 276 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: that's how I gotta be Like Jordan did it, Kobe 277 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 4: did it. It's reason why he howled the ball. It 278 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: wasn't because he was a ball, because he was. You 279 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: want to be a winner, so I got I took 280 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 4: them in so overn football. 281 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: When it comes to football. I'm a real butthole? Is 282 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: that the quote of the year? According all right, now, 283 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: very presidential from McKinley Jackson, but a great quote. I 284 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. It's great to have you in Cincinnati. 285 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: Best of luck going forward. 286 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 4: So thank you appreciation. 287 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: Here's hoping that the guys that try to block McKinley 288 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: this year know exactly what he means by that quote. 289 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you by pay Corps, 290 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: Proud to be the Bengals official HR software provider, by 291 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: Alta Fiber, future proof fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business, 292 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: and community to a new level, and by Kettering Health 293 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health is 294 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. Last week, voting 295 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: got underway for the Bengals twenty twenty four Ring of 296 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: Honor class. There are eleven former players on the ballot, 297 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: and who better to discuss them than team president Mike Brown. 298 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: This is an edited version of an interview I did 299 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: with Mike when the Bengals formed the Ring of Honor 300 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: three years ago. We moved to the all time leading 301 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: scorer in team history and the Bengals kicker for thirteen years, 302 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: wearing that little size five shoe on his kicking foot. 303 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: Jim Breach. 304 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: We came up with Jimmy. He was let go by 305 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 3: Oakland and I don't know what all befell him out there, 306 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: but he came here and he wasn't long as kickers go, 307 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: but he was a great competitor. You could turn up 308 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: the heat on him and it didn't matter. We'd be 309 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: in a game where we had to have a field 310 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: go to win it, and when he was kicking you 311 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 3: didn't have much concern about it because he just was 312 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 3: good for it. He made him all seem that might 313 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: seem to the casual obs is nothing so special. Why 314 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: shouldn't he That's what he's paid to do, they might say, Well, 315 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: believe me, that's not what most of them do do. 316 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: They don't manage to hold up when the pressure's on. 317 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: But Jimmy did for us for a good number of years. 318 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: I think he still has the most points of anyone 319 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: ever with the Bengals. 320 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: Never missed a kick in overtime, a perfect nine for nine. 321 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: Jim Breach. I've heard the next player on the list 322 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: referred to as the toughest player pound for pound in 323 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: team history. Running back James Brooks. 324 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 3: James was a player we acquired from San Diego. We 325 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: traded Pete Johnson, who was a fine player, and we 326 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: got in return James Brooks. They were opposites. Pete was 327 00:15:54,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: a big power back. James was an offsized, asked quick scooter. 328 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: He could catch the ball, had wonderful hands, great receiver. 329 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: He was excellent running too. You would have misjudged him 330 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: if you looked at him and said, well, he's too 331 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: small to be a great runner. But he was a 332 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: great runner, not just outside but inside as well. And 333 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: he did one other thing that was exceptional. He was 334 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: a terrific pass protector. He was small, but he knew 335 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: how to go about pass protection. He took these rushers on. 336 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: They could be big people, defensive lineman, and he would 337 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: pop right up into him and joke them. He didn't 338 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: back down. He wasn't afraid, and he knew which ones 339 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: to pick up. That too, takes a little bit of skill. 340 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: You have to to mount, and he could and did so. 341 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: He had everything that a back should have. He could 342 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 3: run the ball, he could pass protect, he could catch 343 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: the ball, and you referred to him as tough. Well, 344 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 3: I don't know for sure sometimes exactly what tough is, 345 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: but if you're talking about it meaning a football player 346 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 3: who did everything ask of him, James Brooks was that guy. 347 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty one, your top two draft picks were 348 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: wide receivers, the sculpted David Versa out of Kansas in 349 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: round one, and then a skinny, gangly kid out of 350 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: Florida in round two who turned out to pay pretty 351 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: darn good. Chris Collinsworth. 352 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 3: A story on Chris goes back to when they had 353 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: what was the equivalent of the Combine in those days, 354 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: it was down in Tampa. They weigh and measure players 355 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 3: and work them out. They did that back then differently, 356 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: but they did it then as they do it today 357 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: over in Indianapolis. When we have the combine. Chris walked 358 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 3: out on the not the stage as it would be today, 359 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 3: but he walked out in front of the assembled scouts, 360 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 3: which were probably twenty some in the room, looking up 361 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: at the scales where the players would be weighed. And 362 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: Chris got on the scales and you could hear the snickers, 363 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: and Chris understood, he knew what was going on in 364 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: their minds, and he, to his credit, laughed and they 365 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: laughed with him. I forgot what he weighed, but it 366 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: certainly wasn't very much. He was tall six or four 367 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 3: plus and just as skinny as you could draw one up. 368 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: So when it came to the draft, we picked David 369 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 3: Verser in the first round, who had all the majoraballs 370 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 3: you could imagine, very fast, good size, very productive and 371 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 3: a player in college. And then in the second round 372 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 3: Lindy and Fonte, who was an assistant coach for us, 373 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: the equivalent of the offensive coordinator, if you will. I 374 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: don't think we gave him that title. No one had 375 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: titles back in those days. He argued for Chris and 376 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: my father, who could say yay or nay on the 377 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 3: draft as to which player we took or didn't take. 378 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: He kept hearing Lindy when we were in the first round, 379 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: and then in the second round he didn't give up. 380 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: He still went on. My father said, oh, will take 381 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 3: him too. We doubled up on receivers, and what a 382 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: good thing it was for us that we did. When 383 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: Chris came on, I recall being out at Spinnyfield, our 384 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 3: practice site, and watching and you knew immediately you had 385 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: a special player. 386 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 4: He was. 387 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: For a big guy, tall guy, quick. He could move 388 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 3: sideways quickly, and he had acceleration, he had top end speed, 389 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: he could catch everything, and he seemed to have his 390 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: wits about him all the time. You knew right away 391 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 3: that you had a special player. And occasionally you have 392 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: that experience. You draft the guy, he comes in and 393 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 3: you just know you have one. And when you get 394 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: the good ones, that's what makes your team special. And 395 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: he was one of those. A great receiver. 396 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: He played the role of country Bumpkin early in his career, 397 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: but went on to get a law degree. He's had 398 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: a great broadcasting career. He's the honor of Pro Football Focus. 399 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: Obviously a guy that's had a tremendous career after football. 400 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: Yes, he's been very successful in his endeavors after football. 401 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: I remember what you were referring to Country Bumpkin. He 402 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: put on an act if you will that aus shucks, 403 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: poor country boy me. How could you expect me to 404 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 3: know anything? And that's when he was being interviewed by 405 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 3: the media. But he wasn't that way with the guys 406 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: or anybody else. That was just something that he tried 407 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 3: out for a while, and to his credit discarded not 408 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 3: soon enough came his real self, which is all you 409 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: would need to be very successful in a media career. 410 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: And just look at the success he's had. 411 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: We are reminiscing about the Bengals Ring of Honor candidates 412 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: with President Mike Brown. The team's all time leading rusher 413 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: is Corey Dylan, who ran angry for seven years in 414 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Cincinnati and had two of the best games of all 415 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: time two hundred and forty six yards as a rookie 416 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: and then two seventy eight against the Broncos in two thousand, 417 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: an NFL single game record at the time. 418 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: I remember that game. They couldn't stop us, and Corey 419 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: just ran right over top of him. It was so 420 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: bad that the next week they fired their defensive coordinator. 421 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 3: I thought that was somewhat unfair. Corey was power back, 422 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: and when you first saw him, what you saw was 423 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 3: a guy that ran heavy. He was a two hundred 424 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 3: and thirty pound guy, and when he ran he had balance. 425 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: He seemed to sink into the ground as he ran. 426 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: You hit him and you were hitting a stump. He 427 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: had the ability to run inside, the ability to run outside, 428 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: and you say, angry I don't know if that's exactly 429 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: the right word, but determined, there's no question about that. 430 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 3: And he did have emotion. He carried it with him. 431 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 4: He was our. 432 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: Top runner of all time. And unfortunately we couldn't hang 433 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 3: on and we couldn't manage him. At the end, he 434 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: got out of sorts about what I don't even remember, 435 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: but we couldn't keep him content, so we felt obligated 436 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 3: to trade him. We traded him up to a Belichick 437 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 3: in New England, and for them, he took the Patriots 438 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: to two Super Bowls. So he did it here, he 439 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 3: did it there. He could do it period wherever he was. 440 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 3: And yes, a top player, a great player. 441 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: I remember you describing observing him. I think it was 442 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: at Spinnyfield early in his Bengals tenure, and it was 443 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: like the earth moved when he got going. Oh. 444 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: I remember being on the sideline and he ran by 445 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: after he had caught a ball out wide, and he 446 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: was close to me, and as he ran by, I 447 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 3: honestly felt the ground shake underfoot, and that registered with me. 448 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 3: I've never had that experience with another back. But you 449 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: wouldn't have wanted to tackle him if you were a cornerback. 450 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: I guarantee you. 451 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: That another of the game changers in franchise history was 452 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: David Fulcher. You didn't see safeties that were six three, 453 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty eight pounds who could be used 454 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: in so many ways before him. 455 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a big safety, to say the least. 456 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: We Dick le Bow was our secondary coach, and he 457 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: took folchure and used him in a way that got 458 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 3: out of David what he had to give. But that 459 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: sounds as though I'm describing a player who was slow. 460 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 3: He wasn't slow. He was just big. And when I 461 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: say big at the end of his career, I don't 462 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 3: think I'm exaggerating when I say he was actually at 463 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 3: two sixty. Tell me when you last saw a safety 464 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 3: at two sixty. The way they used him, the way 465 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: we used him was we had him up closer to 466 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage as much as possible. And not 467 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: that he couldn't play deep. He could, but up front 468 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: he was like an extra linebacker, and he would nub 469 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: him when he hit him, they were hit and stopped. 470 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 3: He was an exceptional player, one of a kind. I've 471 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: never seen one quite like him before or since. 472 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: A tenth round draft pick in nineteen eighty three, became 473 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players in franchise history, a 474 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: guy who led the team in tackles five times as 475 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: a noseguard, which is unheard of. 476 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 3: Tim CRUMRAI, Yeah, Timmy came to us out of Wisconsin. 477 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 3: He wasn't anything that we thought much about when he came. 478 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: He was off size small for a defensive tackle. When 479 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 3: they went home. This was after the draft. He came 480 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: when they went home. We get together with the players later. 481 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 3: We brought him in for some work and we didn't 482 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: even bother to tell him to come because we didn't 483 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: think he could do anything much. But he came anyway, 484 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 3: which showed you how he saw the world. And he 485 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: was dead right. He could do a whole heck of 486 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: a lot. He became a great player, and he had 487 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 3: tremendous competitiveness. He just would compete until he dropped. He 488 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 3: had no give in him. He was a high school wrestler, 489 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: college wrestler, and that showed. I've always respected the kids 490 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 3: players who were wrestlers because in my book, that's the 491 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 3: toughest sport. Of all those guys, they can't quit because 492 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 3: if they get quit. They just get to malledge. They 493 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: learned not to. Timmy was that way. He didn't have 494 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 3: any quit in him. And I remember, of course, in 495 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl game down Miami when he broke his leg, 496 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 3: and that was a tragedy for him and us both. 497 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 3: Without him, we weren't quite the same defensively, and if 498 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 3: he hadn't been hurt, we would have had a better 499 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: chance in that game. 500 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: My broadcast partner, Dave Lapham was smart enough off the 501 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: field to get admitted into Harvard although he chose Syracuse, 502 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: and smart enough on the field to play all five 503 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: offensive line spots in the same game multiple times. 504 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: Dave was smart enough, no one questions that, but that's 505 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: never what stood out about him in my mind. He 506 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 3: went beyond that. He was built like a football player. 507 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: The first time I ever saw him, he was in 508 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 3: his shorts and a training table at the Blue Gray 509 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: game down in Alabama, and jeez, I looked at him 510 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: and I said, this guy, he's built like they're supposed 511 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: to be. Big go over. He was an excellent player 512 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 3: and he could play anywhere you needed him. But it 513 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: went beyond that. He has become someone tied to the 514 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 3: Bengals in his own special way. He was a player 515 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 3: for us and later he was an announcer for us. 516 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: He can tell our story. He's been around here close 517 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 3: on to fifty years as a player and as an announcer. 518 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: He knows all the guys that were here from the 519 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: beginning on, and he can tell about them. He's a 520 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: good storyteller. I know this doesn't have much to do 521 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 3: with being in the Ring of Honor, but as a personality, 522 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: he liked being around him. He's fun and that isn't 523 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: something unique with me. Everyone feels that way. They gravitate 524 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: towards them because he just makes the occasion happier. I'm 525 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: glad he's in this list. He's deserving. 526 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: Could not agree with you more. Clapp was the starting 527 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: left guard on the nineteen eighty one Super Bowl team. 528 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: The starting right guard in both Super Bowls, as a 529 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: matter of fact, was Max Montoya, probably the greatest guard 530 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: in franchise history. 531 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: He was a great player. Max had a cherubic face. 532 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: You would have thought he was innocent as a lamb, 533 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 3: but he had a dark heart As a football player. 534 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: He showed no mercy. He was rough and he could 535 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: dish it out he could take it. When he was 536 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: on the field, there was no quarter given or asked. 537 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 3: But for us, he was with a great group of 538 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 3: offensive linemen. That group that he was a member of 539 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: was my favorite of all time for us. And Max 540 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: could not only block straight ahead, he could pull and 541 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 3: run to the outside, where he was very effective, probably 542 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: the best pulling guard we ever had. I have a 543 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 3: high regard for Max. He's done well with his life 544 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 3: after football, and I respect him. I respect him as 545 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: a player and as a man. 546 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: One of the many great nicknames in team history is 547 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: Leaping Lamar, for Lamar Parrish, who scored thirteen touchdowns on 548 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: returns and recoveries and set a team record by averaging 549 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: nearly nineteen yards per punt return in nineteen seventy four. 550 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: Lamar deserves more people remember him than do I don't 551 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: know why that's so. During his time here I think 552 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 3: was about seven years he played for us, he was 553 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: the most talented cornerback we ever had, and we've had 554 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 3: some great cornerbacks, but he was also the best returner 555 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: we ever had. And the one story that we stood 556 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 3: out in my mind about Lamar was when we played 557 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: Washington here, they had a good team, and we had 558 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 3: something like three yards total offense. We didn't move the 559 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: ball at all. We won the game. We went it 560 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 3: on returns. Lamar on one punt return when to a 561 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: group of players that looked like a ball of players 562 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: that he dove into and somehow he ran out the 563 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 3: back end of all this accumulated group of players and 564 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: went on without losing stride for a touchdown. It was 565 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 3: a very odd looking play. And when he came off 566 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 3: the field, my dad said, Lamar, how did it look 567 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: when you ran inside with all those players? Always said, Coach, 568 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: it was dark in there. How I explained, And my 569 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 3: dad loved that story, and I loved it because he 570 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 3: loved it. 571 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: But it was just. 572 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 3: A description about Lamar, who could do exceptional things at 573 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 3: his position. He had exceptional, unique, almost quickness. He could 574 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: cover like a blanket, receivers didn't get open on him, 575 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 3: and he could play the ball. We had on the 576 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 3: other side. Kenny was over there, and we had two 577 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 3: corners equal of any team ever. 578 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: Long before there were great receiving tight ends like Tony 579 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: Gonzalez and Travis Kelcey. The Bengals helped pioneer moving the 580 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: tight end all around the formation with a twelfth round 581 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: draft pick named Bob Trumpy. 582 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 3: Trumpy had a storied relationship with the Bengals as a player. 583 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 3: As an announcer, he became a public figure here locally 584 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 3: as a radio call in show host. He was good 585 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 3: at that. But as a player when he started out here, 586 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 3: he was probably off size for where we put him 587 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: a tight end, but he could really run and he 588 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 3: would take cover two. That's when they have two safeties 589 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 3: in the middle of the field, run right through it 590 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 3: and they couldn't keep up with them. Safeties couldn't keep 591 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 3: up with them alone own the linebackers. He made big 592 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 3: plays for us, helped that Greg Cook was the quarterback 593 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 3: for him one year when Greg was our quarterback before 594 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 3: he got hurt, and then Kenny Anderson came along. Bob 595 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 3: bought the attention of other teams that we played at. 596 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 3: Kansas City, for example, at that time, was the top 597 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 3: team in the league, and they won to trade for 598 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 3: him right away after we played them, and I always 599 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: remembered how insistent they were, and that was a no 600 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 3: go with us. We had Bob for a long career 601 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 3: here as a tight end and he was a receiving 602 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: tight end, but a willing blocker. He would face up 603 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 3: on guys and he wasn't afraid to do it. But 604 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 3: as a receiver was as good as they came at 605 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 3: his position. 606 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: Finally, a linebacker from your alma mater, Dartmouth College, who 607 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: was a Bengals starter for fourteen years, Reggie Williams. 608 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 3: Reggie and I both went to Dartmouth, so when he 609 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 3: came along up there, I was anxious to get him 610 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 3: for us. I knew about him, and Dartmouth isn't so 611 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 3: much a powerhouse as a football team and Ivy league team. 612 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 3: I think Dartmouth did win the national championship in the 613 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 3: twenties one time, but Reggie came along much after that, 614 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 3: and at Dartmouth today he's considered the best player they've 615 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 3: ever had here. He was very athletic, very willing, very 616 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 3: competitive and determined, and he was a steady player for 617 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 3: us for I think for teen or fifteen years, whatever 618 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 3: it was. It played a long time, and he was 619 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 3: smart as well as tough. 620 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: This has been a treat for me. I really appreciate 621 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: your time. Thank you very much. 622 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 3: We'll enjoy doing it too. 623 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: Two of those eleven players will be selected by season 624 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: ticket members and suite holders this year, joining Paul Brown, 625 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: Anthony Munoz, Ken Anderson, Willie Anderson, Ken Riley, Isaac Curtis 626 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: Boomersiasin and Chad Johnson in the Ring of Honor. They 627 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 1: will be inducted at halftime of the Monday night home 628 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: game against Washington on September twenty third. That's week three 629 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: of the season. 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