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Speaker 2: This trade permission stuff. I don't really remember this being
Speaker 2: that big of a deal. It feels like this offseason
Speaker 2: the Rams started with Matthew Stafford. I've honestly lost track
Speaker 2: at this point of how many guys have been given
Speaker 2: permission to seek a trade? What is going on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's out of control.
Speaker 4: It's not just given permission ross it's to seek a trade.
Speaker 4: It's given permission to explore a trade or are there
Speaker 4: other teams interested in?
Speaker 3: What it become is the new in vogue thing to do.
Speaker 4: And what you'll notice is a lot of the players
Speaker 4: that would otherwise be released are now being given permission
Speaker 4: to seek a trade or talk to other teams. And
Speaker 4: it's funny because just getting back from Indy last week,
Speaker 4: that was one of the topics that continue to come
Speaker 4: up with clubs, not something that they like. Very annoyed
Speaker 4: that they can't just flat out release a guy when
Speaker 4: they know very honestly and openly that the best they're
Speaker 4: gonna get for someone might be a seventh round pick.
Speaker 4: They would rather just flat out release the dude, give
Speaker 4: him the opportunity to go sign elsewhere and then be
Speaker 4: done with them. But given the circumstances of the cap,
Speaker 4: the fact that free agency is upon us, guys want
Speaker 4: as many options as possible, and as a result of it,
Speaker 4: you're seeing this permission to seek a trade, and it's
Speaker 4: really become out of control.
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: All Right, So Stafford ended up going back to the RAMS,
Speaker 2: and it never really seem like he was gonna leave.
Speaker 2: I never really thought he was gonna leave. I know,
Speaker 2: maybe you'll tell me and other people will say it
Speaker 2: was close to happening, but I just didn't for a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons. I didn't think it made sense for
Speaker 2: the RAM, and I think it made sense for Stafford.
Speaker 2: What about some of these more well known guys like
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf Trey Hendrickson. It sounds like people think those
Speaker 2: guys are are much more likely to be on new teams.
Speaker 4: Okay, so in terms of Metcalf, there are I would
Speaker 4: say I would put him being traded a higher percentage
Speaker 4: than Trey Henderson and I'll start, and the reason is
Speaker 4: because I think both Seattle and Metcalf know that this
Speaker 4: has been brewing for quite some time.
Speaker 3: It actually goes back to last year.
Speaker 4: And it's not that Metcalf isn't happy, but I think
Speaker 4: both sides are looking for a fresh start, and you know,
Speaker 4: DK is gonna fetch a significant price. I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's gonna be a one. I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a two and a four. I don't
Speaker 4: believe it's gonna be a one and a three. But
Speaker 4: the problem is for both him Hendrickson, is that because
Speaker 4: these guys are bringing in players, the team trading for
Speaker 4: them not only has to give up the asset or
Speaker 4: assets draft capital to get the player, they then have
Speaker 4: to pay the player. And both of these guys are
Speaker 4: seeking significant contract extensions. In Metcalf's case, just turned twenty eight.
Speaker 4: Hendrickson is thirty. Obviously in all Pro I think Metcalf
Speaker 4: gets traded first. I'm not sure if Hendrickson gets traded.
Speaker 4: I talked about the Chargers being in on DK. I've
Speaker 4: heard the Raiders Packers among many other clubs, and Hendrickson's case, Ross,
Speaker 4: I would say that you have to get owner Mike
Speaker 4: Brown on board. These organizations are run significantly differently. In
Speaker 4: Seattle you have John Schneider, who really has full autonomy
Speaker 4: from the owner Jody Allen. In Cincinnati you have Mike Brown,
Speaker 4: who he in essence, is running the show. Duke Tobin's
Speaker 4: the GM, but he has nowhere near the type of
Speaker 4: autonomy at Schneider has in Seattle. So if you're asking
Speaker 4: me about both of those guys, I'd say there's a
Speaker 4: better chance of seeing DK get traded, and I would
Speaker 4: imagine even if both of them ultimately get dealt that
Speaker 4: Metcalf happens first.
Speaker 2: Talking with NFL insider Jordan Schultz does a terrific job
Speaker 2: for Fox Sports. The Hendrick Singh thing is very interesting, yeah, Jordan,
Speaker 2: because it felt like after the Max Crosby contract came out,
Speaker 2: it kind of felt like the Bengals were throwing in
Speaker 2: the towel. I do not envision them giving him that
Speaker 2: type of contract. So when you say you think there's
Speaker 2: a better chance DK gets traded, do you think that
Speaker 2: the Bengals might try to play hardball with Hendrickson and
Speaker 2: making out this last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have been.
Speaker 4: In fact, if you actually trace Hendrickson back the last
Speaker 4: year he was he already requested a trade and went nowhere.
Speaker 4: And so they have been meeting and delegating over the
Speaker 4: past few weeks.
Speaker 3: And he was in Cincinnati yesterday.
Speaker 4: He went to the facility, met with the entire organization,
Speaker 4: met with the Bengals brass and basically talked through it
Speaker 4: because he got an offer that was significantly below market
Speaker 4: value two weeks ago. And I think what happened was
Speaker 4: Cincinnati really had to talk Hendrickson off a ledge, hoping
Speaker 4: that he wouldn't request the trade, and then they met
Speaker 4: yesterday seeing if they could find Tomin Brown. They ultimately didn't.
Speaker 4: You know, he's been a staple within that organization. You know,
Speaker 4: he's a first team All Pro. But they also have
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase and t Higgins to deal with, and they
Speaker 4: still want to extend Mike Caseki to tiede end and
Speaker 4: obviously Burrow wants all these guys back, but you can't
Speaker 4: pay everyone. And if you're the Bengals, this is not
Speaker 4: an organization flus with with gas Ross, So Hendrickson I
Speaker 4: believe would sign somewhere in the midst and somewhere in
Speaker 4: the middle of three years eighty five to ninety. I
Speaker 4: know he would love one hundred. It's not realistic. Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: I'll'll say, without giving you specific numbers, is nowhere near
Speaker 4: that number. In fact, I'll give you this, I don't
Speaker 4: believe Cincinnati has come over this seventy million dollar threshold.
Speaker 4: So that tells you how far away they are. And
Speaker 4: as a result, you have to make a decision. If
Speaker 4: you're the Bengals, Ross, do you Trey Trey Hendrickson or
Speaker 4: do you simply try to find a number and go
Speaker 4: up where Really you don't want to do that, knowing
Speaker 4: again that you had the receivers to deal with.
Speaker 2: Right, as I said earlier in the show, Jordan, I
Speaker 2: have no sympathy. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
Speaker 2: They really worked on any of these deals over the
Speaker 2: last couple of years and gotten ahead of this thing,
Speaker 2: totally gotten them done. It's interesting, though, that you mentioned
Speaker 2: Hendrickson meeting with the entire Bengals organization because there was
Speaker 2: news out this morning that Miles Garrett requested a meeting
Speaker 2: with Brown's owner Jimmy Haslam and he declined to meet
Speaker 2: with Garrett. What if anything, do you know about that
Speaker 2: or even just the Miles Garrett situation, Jordan.
Speaker 4: Well, you talked about the Bengals putting themselves in a
Speaker 4: bad position. They should have taken care of Jamar Chase
Speaker 4: when they had the chance. They should have addressed Pray
Speaker 4: Henderson last year. The Browns are in a similar book
Speaker 4: with owner Jimmy has them and in all their respect
Speaker 4: to him, I don't know how you look at Miles
Speaker 4: Garrett and you treat him this way. This is, without question,
Speaker 4: the face of the franchise, and he has been for
Speaker 4: the better part of the last decade. He's arguably the
Speaker 4: best defensive player in football the year in and year out,
Speaker 4: and for you to refuse to meet with the guy
Speaker 4: is insane.
Speaker 3: It really is. I have no understanding of it.
Speaker 4: I have no sympathy for the Browns because, like the Bengals,
Speaker 4: they have put themselves in this position. If you're Miles Garrett,
Speaker 4: you obviously have made a lot of money, and you
Speaker 4: want to win, and he has made it abundantly clear
Speaker 4: to us Ross that he does not believe that can
Speaker 4: happen with the Browns. So if you're the Browns, if
Speaker 4: you fast forward the situation, what are you going to
Speaker 4: accomplish by not meeting.
Speaker 3: With the guy?
Speaker 4: We're going into free agency next week, we're in March.
Speaker 4: It's gonna get worse and worse and worse if you
Speaker 4: don't handle this now. And it's a problem that's been
Speaker 4: festering for quite some time. So I don't get it
Speaker 4: at all. And if Miles Garrett wants a meeting, you
Speaker 4: take the meeting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of things I don't get, can you explain
Speaker 2: to me why the NFL still has this quote unquote.
Speaker 2: I guess they call it now the negotiating period. For
Speaker 2: a while there, we were calling it the legal tamp
Speaker 2: tamp period. It starts Monday, but then the official league
Speaker 2: year doesn't start till Wednesday at four pm. Do you
Speaker 2: understand the logic or reasoning there?
Speaker 4: Jordan, not particularly Ross's. But I was not ever the
Speaker 4: greatest student. You know, I always give you problems. You know,
Speaker 4: you're the Ivy League guy. I went to the fake
Speaker 4: Ivory League school Occidental. I was not the best student.
Speaker 4: I don't understand it, but I'll tell you this, A
Speaker 4: lot of the deals that you're going to see come
Speaker 4: together on Wednesday and Thursday have already been set by
Speaker 4: the time we're there. In other words, Monday and Tuesday
Speaker 4: and really this week, over the weekend and going back
Speaker 4: to the combine is when a lot of the deals
Speaker 4: get set in place.
Speaker 3: And then basically what happens is.
Speaker 4: A lot of players will try and shop around, they'll
Speaker 4: try to make sure this is the best team number
Speaker 4: they can get, but essentially those deals in many ways
Speaker 4: are done by Wednesday. So no, I don't understand it,
Speaker 4: but I'm not the right I'm not the right guy,
Speaker 4: asked the.
Speaker 2: Well so, and I've also seen you know, reports out there, Jordan,
Speaker 2: and you might have had a similar article about guys
Speaker 2: that are going to make more money than people expect,
Speaker 2: and you'll be surprised. That just tells me that they
Speaker 2: already know how much they're going to be getting me.
Speaker 2: How many of these deals are more or less already done.
Speaker 2: How many deals do you think there's a pretty good
Speaker 2: idea people know who's going where, for what money, But
Speaker 2: they're just they can't obviously say anything about it yet.
Speaker 3: Right now or come Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Right now, and then eat it over the weekend.
Speaker 4: Monday, I'd say probably a quarter of the deals somewhere
Speaker 4: over the weekend, and by Monday, I'd say a third
Speaker 4: to half of the deals. Now, obviously there's a second
Speaker 4: and third waves of free agency, the one year deals
Speaker 4: that are much smaller, but in terms of the you know,
Speaker 4: big contracts, the multi year extensions, all of that will
Speaker 4: will will be set in stone or many months of
Speaker 4: that will be set in stone by Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Because what happens is a lot of the players and
Speaker 4: agents by this time have already met with everybody in Indianapolis,
Speaker 4: the Asians half, so they have a really good understanding
Speaker 4: of the market, not only with the teams, but.
Speaker 3: The type of money.
Speaker 4: And then you have a lot of players that are
Speaker 4: entering that first contract, right so they're twenty five or
Speaker 4: twenty six or second contract. I could say, they want
Speaker 4: that three year deal so that they can hit it
Speaker 4: again by the time they're twenty eight or twenty nine.
Speaker 4: And so what you're gonna see is a lot of
Speaker 4: those three year deals the teams want the four year
Speaker 4: deal so they can get the control. And I just
Speaker 4: we talked about Trey Henderson. He wants the three year deal. Right,
Speaker 4: That's that's what's in vogue for many players at agents.
Speaker 4: So to answer your question again, I would say, right
Speaker 4: now you probably have a quarter of them.
Speaker 3: Fast forward to the weekend Monday, probably over a third.
Speaker 2: What about Sam Darnold, what do you hearing thinking in
Speaker 2: terms of.
Speaker 3: He's gonna do well? Okay, yeah, I think he's gonna
Speaker 3: do well.
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna We just said, would some guy
Speaker 4: surprise some people? I think Donald's gonna surprise some people.
Speaker 4: Because ross, if you're Sam Donald, you have to make
Speaker 4: the decision. Do I go back to Minnesota and stay
Speaker 4: with Kevin O'Connell, who's resurrected my career, or do I
Speaker 4: look elsewhere and maybe fetch a little bit more money,
Speaker 4: knowing that it might not be as good a situation.
Speaker 3: Let's say, for example, the Raiders, right, the Raiders need
Speaker 3: a quarterback.
Speaker 4: They do not have a very good roster, but they
Speaker 4: do have a new head coach, and you do have
Speaker 4: the USC connection. I know Pete Carroll likes Sam Donald.
Speaker 4: Does that mean he's gonna sign there, of course not,
Speaker 4: but I think he's gonna make a significant amount of money.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's in the mid to
Speaker 4: high thirties or low forties, but he will do very
Speaker 4: well in surprise some people there are you have the
Speaker 4: cap that's gone up again that will help him. And
Speaker 4: then you have the fact that A this is not
Speaker 4: a particularly strong quarterback market and b this is not
Speaker 4: a quarterback class coming out, so that will help Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2: Most likely teams there two or three teams that maybe
Speaker 2: jump out for Sam Darnold.
Speaker 4: I would say with Donald, I mean, the Vikings will
Speaker 4: love him back. They're not gonna be able to pay
Speaker 4: him maybe exactly what he wanted. I know he loves
Speaker 4: it there. I know his wife loves it there, and
Speaker 4: they'd had a great experience. Look at the Raiders, yep.
Speaker 4: I would say those two to me make the most sense.
Speaker 4: And then you have to wonder if a team like
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh gets frisky. You know, Pittsburgh could easily bring back
Speaker 4: Justin Fields on a one year, ten million dollar deal,
Speaker 4: or do they decide, you know what, we want to
Speaker 4: go a little bit more and pursue someone like a
Speaker 4: Sam Darnold or maybe in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: I'm not reporting that.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying the Steelers clearly believe they're a quarterback away.
Speaker 4: How do I know that they were very much in
Speaker 4: on Matthew Stafford. And you don't go after a guy
Speaker 4: like Matthew Stafford or Sam Darnold for that matter, Ross
Speaker 4: unless you believe your roster is good enough to win.
Speaker 2: Right now, we still don't know. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: what Stafford's new contract is, do we That still hasn't
Speaker 2: been reported. I'm dying to know how much less he
Speaker 2: took to stay in LA because I know people would
Speaker 2: have given him a lot of money elsewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we don't know the exact numbers. What we
Speaker 4: do know, and I reported this was he took a
Speaker 4: lot less to stay. You know, there was there were
Speaker 4: talks that he would have commanded a hundred over two
Speaker 4: he's made he'll have made by this come by the
Speaker 4: time this contract's out, or or by the time this
Speaker 4: contract is over, he'll have made well over three hundred
Speaker 4: or around three hundred million dollars in his career. So
Speaker 4: clearly it wasn't just about the money. And I had
Speaker 4: thought for about a day and a half that there
Speaker 4: was a real chance that the Raiders were going to
Speaker 4: land him.
Speaker 3: They desperately wanted him. Tom Brady loved him.
Speaker 4: But what it came down to was Stafford met with
Speaker 4: Sean McVay for quite some time six thirty seven in
Speaker 4: the morning, and they were able to find that common ground.
Speaker 4: And you you kind of knew once they met and
Speaker 4: were face to face those two that it was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So yes, he took less, but he knows.
Speaker 4: That they were a play away from beating the Eagles
Speaker 4: and going on in the playoffs. That roster is really good.
Speaker 4: It's a terrific young defense, and I big Stafford ultimately
Speaker 4: decided that his best bet was staying in LA with
Speaker 4: arguably the best offensive coaching football.
Speaker 2: Check him out on social media. He's at Schultz Underscore
Speaker 2: Report on Twitter. That's where I follow him, and certainly
Speaker 2: check out his show, Why is Draymond Green Talking about football?
Speaker 2: With Jordan Schultz? I would like to have seen Draymond
Speaker 2: play tight end or d end Actually, can.
Speaker 3: I give you a funny story about that he.
Speaker 2: Did right for a game or something?
Speaker 3: Or he did you a game?
Speaker 4: He did a spring game of Michigan State his freshman year,
Speaker 4: and I said to him, you know, you could have
Speaker 4: easily been a tight end.
Speaker 3: I'm picking maybe an edge rusher. You got good Ben,
Speaker 3: good dip.
Speaker 4: And he said to me, you know what, the second
Speaker 4: someone plus me with the two hands, I was out
Speaker 4: and Ross I think as an off alive and you
Speaker 4: can respect that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. Hey, I would love to have
Speaker 2: played football against Draymond Green and try to light them up.
Speaker 2: That's what makes it fun. Jordan, thanks so much for
Speaker 2: the time. Man, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thanks, guys, think youre outstanding.
Speaker 2: Outstanding job by Jordan Schultz there in the final hour,
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Speaker 2: Let's get to John Rothstein. He's a CBS Sports college
Speaker 2: basketball insider. By the way, when I first got in
Speaker 2: the media two thousand and seven, okay, I was still
Speaker 2: on injured reserve with the Washington football team. The had
Speaker 2: a different name back then. I did a TV show
Speaker 2: with John Rothstein. At times, I don't even remember the
Speaker 2: name of the show. John, do you remember this name
Speaker 2: of the show? Seth was the producer. It was like
Speaker 2: we would go around the horn kind of you were
Speaker 2: in New York. I was indifferent. Do you remember that show?
Speaker 6: I think it was out of line on CNA or
Speaker 6: out of boundary.
Speaker 2: Out of bounds, out of bounds.
Speaker 6: Yes, I remember it vividly. Ross. Great to be with
Speaker 6: you this morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you are killing it. It's been fun to
Speaker 2: follow your career. It's funny. You probably hear this a lot, John,
Speaker 2: I know you're fully invested in it. I don't follow
Speaker 2: college hoops hardly at all until right now and now
Speaker 2: this weekend and this week I will root for like
Speaker 2: my wife and sister in law went to Bucknell, right
Speaker 2: I went to Princeton. I will root for them like
Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe. I think it's the coolest part of
Speaker 2: maybe any sport is rooting for your alma mater or
Speaker 2: for smaller schools to have their chance at the dance. Well.
Speaker 6: And that's the thing ross that's become so interesting because
Speaker 6: of the changing landscape in college basketball. There's less player retention,
Speaker 6: especially at the mid major level. So we are going
Speaker 6: to enter all of these conference tournaments here over the
Speaker 6: next week, and we are going to see different teams
Speaker 6: seeded a certain way entering these conference tournaments. Seeds had
Speaker 6: never been more meaningless in these obvious conference tournaments than
Speaker 6: they are right now because of the lack of player attention.
Speaker 6: And another thing you have to remember last year, only
Speaker 6: twelve teams out of the thirty two conferences that won
Speaker 6: their respective regular seasons went on automatic qualifiers to the
Speaker 6: NCAA Tournament by winning their conference tournament. Russ Ducker, this
Speaker 6: is March.
Speaker 2: Wow. One third actually won their conference tournament. So this
Speaker 2: is self serving, okay, but I got to ask you
Speaker 2: about Princeton quick all right. My understanding is that they
Speaker 2: have like the two best players in the IVY League.
Speaker 2: They have Alec Pierce, the colt receiver, his younger brother Kayden,
Speaker 2: and they have the point guard from Toronto that put
Speaker 2: his name into the NBA draft last year. I think
Speaker 2: his name Xavian Lee. I just looked John. We're in
Speaker 2: fourth place in the IVY League. We're like seven and six.
Speaker 2: I've been working, I've been practicing every day for this.
Speaker 2: Why are we not good?
Speaker 6: Well? Princeton in a lot of ways is kind of
Speaker 6: the polar opposite of what Princeton went through last year.
Speaker 6: Last year, Princeton was a heavy favor going to the
Speaker 6: Ivy League tournament and was upset in that tournament as
Speaker 6: the team that everybody thought was going to be one
Speaker 6: of the best mid majors in the country. And now
Speaker 6: you look at what's happened to Princeton. Yes, there's Zaving Lee,
Speaker 6: lest there's Caden Pierce, but look at some of the
Speaker 6: ancillary players. Zach Martini no longer on Princeton from a
Speaker 6: year ago. He's on Rutgers. Because we have to remember
Speaker 6: right now that these players still have the ability to
Speaker 6: move and go to other places. Matt Aloco, another player
Speaker 6: who was on that Princeton team from a year ago
Speaker 6: that was upset in the Ivy League tournament, went and
Speaker 6: played for Notre Dame. So maybe we'll see if Princeton
Speaker 6: can reverse course. But here's one thing I want to
Speaker 6: point out, and I know that people, especially at the
Speaker 6: mid major level, one who celebrate regular season titles, nobody
Speaker 6: remembers in college basketball what people do during the regular season.
Speaker 6: You are judged by what you do in the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 6: And this is why what we're going to embark on
Speaker 6: right now over the next three and a half four
Speaker 6: weeks is the greatest postseason that we have in sports.
Speaker 6: We spend days, we spend weeks. We spent months talking
Speaker 6: about the bubble from February first until now. We have
Speaker 6: to remember ross that last year there were five different
Speaker 6: teams that stole bids during their respective conference tournaments. Now,
Speaker 6: what is a bid stealer. A bid stealer is a
Speaker 6: team that was not projected to make the NCAA tournament
Speaker 6: who then wins its conference tournament and then earns a
Speaker 6: bid to March Madness. Last year, we had Duquane out
Speaker 6: of the Atlantic ten. We obviously had UAB out of
Speaker 6: the AAC NC state out of the ACC won the
Speaker 6: ACC Tournament five games in five days and then went
Speaker 6: on to go to the Final four under Kevin Keats.
Speaker 6: New Mexico stole a bid out of the Mountain West,
Speaker 6: and then Oregon did the same out of the PAC twelve.
Speaker 6: That was five teams that were not projected to be
Speaker 6: into the NCAA tournament who then found a way to
Speaker 6: get to March Madness.
Speaker 2: It is awesome talking with John Rothstein. As you can tell,
Speaker 2: he is the best college basketball insidary. Does it for
Speaker 2: CBS Sports company I work for as well. You know
Speaker 2: you kind of hit on this, John, but I want
Speaker 2: to expound upon it a little bit. What I know,
Speaker 2: it's all the above, But what aspect of it do
Speaker 2: you think makes it so popular? Is it the fact
Speaker 2: that it's brackets, like people just I don't know what
Speaker 2: is about humans we love like my like beer punk
Speaker 2: tournament bracket like whatever it is, Like I love brackets, okay.
Speaker 2: And also the betting. I mean people bet a lot
Speaker 2: on March mad and the and then it's the underdog.
Speaker 2: It's the whole thing. If you kind of had to
Speaker 2: rank the reasons for March Madness popularity. Where would you
Speaker 2: stack them up.
Speaker 6: It's a one game tournament. It is not obviously a
Speaker 6: best of seven series. So the fact that we have
Speaker 6: this game that obviously is decided by a sixty eighteen
Speaker 6: bracket with sixty seven games, if you have one bad half,
Speaker 6: if you have one bad game, every single thing can changed.
Speaker 6: And then there is still the opportunity for, with everything
Speaker 6: that's going on in college sports, to have the most
Speaker 6: unexpected and unpredictable results. And you know, I remember two
Speaker 6: years ago. You know, I've been fortunate enough to work
Speaker 6: the first four for US in Dayton. I had the
Speaker 6: pleasure of, you know, covering Fairley Dickinson two years ago.
Speaker 6: In twenty twenty three. Fairley Dickinson two years ago was
Speaker 6: not good enough to win the Northeast Conference tournament. Merrimack
Speaker 6: won the Northeast Conference tournament, but because of transitional rule
Speaker 6: to Division one, Merrimack was not eligible for the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 6: So Fairly Dickinson lost in the finals of its conference tournament,
Speaker 6: but it got the automatic qualifier because Merrimack was ineligible.
Speaker 6: Fairly Dickinson then goes on to the first four, beats
Speaker 6: Texas Southern in the first four, and then gets a
Speaker 6: matchup with Duke who had the National Player of the
Speaker 6: Year in Zach Edy and won the Big Ten regular
Speaker 6: season and tournament titles, and still Fairleigh Dickinson was able
Speaker 6: then to pull off the biggest upset in the history
Speaker 6: of the NCAA Tournament by beating Purdue. This is the
Speaker 6: stuff that is in store. And again, if you're not
Speaker 6: in a situation where you're following college basketball from November
Speaker 6: first until now, you're pretty much admitting that you hate fun.
Speaker 2: All right, So I want to ask you about Saint
Speaker 2: John's because they've won the Big East for the first
Speaker 2: time in forty years. I know you've talked about him
Speaker 2: a lot. I'm sure. Yeah. So is this obviously Patino's
Speaker 2: their coach? Is this a great coaching job? Or is
Speaker 2: this John? Have we got to a point where some
Speaker 2: Saint John's alums made a decision and they bought a
Speaker 2: really good team. I don't follow it, right, So you
Speaker 2: explain to me how Saint John's seemingly came out of
Speaker 2: nowhere to get this good.
Speaker 6: Saint John's has been a barren program for twenty five years.
Speaker 6: Saint John's has not won an ncublea tournament game since
Speaker 6: two thousand. How long ago is that Jay Wright was
Speaker 6: the head coach in Halstra. But with all that said,
Speaker 6: Saint John's this year was able to be in a
Speaker 6: situation because it hired a Hall of fame coach, a
Speaker 6: can't miss coach, and Rick Patino, and it put together
Speaker 6: a roster now that is, you know, twenty six and
Speaker 6: four heading into tomorrow's game against Marquette, that's the best
Speaker 6: in the Big East. It's the first regular season title
Speaker 6: outright for Saint John's in the Big East that's been
Speaker 6: won by the Red Storm since the eighty four to
Speaker 6: eighty five season, which was the year that Saint John's
Speaker 6: went to the Final Four with Luke carnasecond Chris Malwand. Look,
Speaker 6: one of the things that we've seen right now in
Speaker 6: this new landscape of college sports is the playing field
Speaker 6: is very level. So a program like Saint Johns that
Speaker 6: has the infrastructure in place to put together a strong
Speaker 6: roster can now compete with the Dukes, the Kansases, and
Speaker 6: the Kentucky's. And then conversely, some of the blue blood
Speaker 6: programs now might be falling back to the pack a
Speaker 6: little bit. Kansas will enter it's Big Twelve finale in
Speaker 6: the regular season tomorrow against Arizona, and in the last
Speaker 6: two years, Kansas is only a combined twenty and seventeen
Speaker 6: in Big twelve regular season games. Remember, this was a
Speaker 6: program that from twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen, under Bill's
Speaker 6: self want at least to share excuse me, from twenty
Speaker 6: three or so to twenty eighteen, under Bill self want
Speaker 6: at least to share almost every Big twelve regular season title. Remember, Ross,
Speaker 6: it's not anarchy, it's just college basketball.
Speaker 2: I love his closing line of every of every answer.
Speaker 2: All right, tell me about Cooper Flag. Like, for people
Speaker 2: that haven't watched him a lot, he's I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people would probably say he's the name in
Speaker 2: college basketball that they recognize, that they know, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people still haven't really watched him that much.
Speaker 2: Is there any weakness to his game? Is there an
Speaker 2: NBA guy that you compare him to that people can
Speaker 2: kind of get that visual on their head.
Speaker 6: You know, Cooper Flag's like a cheet code. He's like
Speaker 6: playing Madden when you're a kid and putting it on
Speaker 6: the easiest possible level, because that's how effortless he makes
Speaker 6: the game look. He's been ever been as good as advertised.
Speaker 6: I think there's a little bit of Andre Carolenko in
Speaker 6: his game, but he's got so much polish on the
Speaker 6: offensive side of the floor. But Duke, without question has
Speaker 6: the best roster in the sport. I think one of
Speaker 6: the things that we've all been disappointed about, and it's
Speaker 6: not Duke's fault, is this is the worst acc that
Speaker 6: we have seen in our lifetime. Unless there is a
Speaker 6: big stealer at the ACC tournament, this league is likely
Speaker 6: to get only three of its eighteen teams in the
Speaker 6: NCAA tournament. That is just one sixth of the conference.
Speaker 6: The ac SEA since twenty seventeen has lost the following coaches,
Speaker 6: Rick Bettino, Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Tony Bennett, Jim Laernega,
Speaker 6: Buzz Williams, Mike Bray and Leonard Hamilton will lead after
Speaker 6: this year. So it has been a major, major transition
Speaker 6: for a conference that was the sport's most fable for
Speaker 6: a very long time.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is absolutely wild. You gotta check John out.
Speaker 2: He does a terrific job throughout the tournament. If you
Speaker 2: want to know what's going on with college basketball, follow
Speaker 2: John Rothstein on every platform. Does a terrific job as
Speaker 2: the college basketball insider for CBS Sports. That was perfect.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, John.
Speaker 6: Thanks, Ross were sleeping.
Speaker 1: May be sure to catch the live edition of The
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Speaker 2: I absolutely love talking with this guy every week on
Speaker 2: the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. I call him this civilian
Speaker 2: goat because I think he is the best film watcher
Speaker 2: and film breakdowner, if that's a word of anybody that
Speaker 2: did not play or coach in the NFL. He's been doing,
Speaker 2: He's doing a lot longer than a lot of people
Speaker 2: have been doing. What they've been doing forty five plus years.
Speaker 2: He is the great. Greg Coasel joins me typically Thursdays
Speaker 2: on the Ross Tucker Podcast. But we got to talk
Speaker 2: quarterbacks because there's a bunch of teams that need them. Greg,
Speaker 2: always great to talk with you. We're doing it twice
Speaker 2: this week, not just once. Appreciate the time. I guess
Speaker 2: let's start with the college guys, because there's gonna be
Speaker 2: at least one, maybe more NFL teams that find their
Speaker 2: starting quarterback via the draft. And so, is there a
Speaker 2: guy that was a clear number one when you broke
Speaker 2: down shardor Sanders and war and all these guys who
Speaker 2: kind of jumped out to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think just before I give you that person,
Speaker 7: and people who maybe listen to us and to listen
Speaker 7: to me know that I believe it's cam Ward. But
Speaker 7: I think the important point to remember is quarterbacks have
Speaker 7: different traits and different attributes and different characteristics. That doesn't
Speaker 7: mean that they can't play in the league. It just
Speaker 7: means that the variables that come into play, the different
Speaker 7: variables that come into play ross And you know this
Speaker 7: having played in the league. Now you start getting into
Speaker 7: things like team scheme around them, coaching. You know, there's
Speaker 7: so many factors involved that just because a quarterback might
Speaker 7: not be high on my list or might not be
Speaker 7: number one, doesn't mean he can't play in the league.
Speaker 7: It's just you have to understand what their traits and
Speaker 7: attributes are and what that means when you project them.
Speaker 7: So I thought when I watched cam Ward, I thought
Speaker 7: that he was the most physically gifted of the quarterbacks
Speaker 7: in this draft, that he had high level traits in
Speaker 7: order to, you know, ideally become a good player in
Speaker 7: the league. He's got a live arm, he's got a
Speaker 7: playmaking dimension to his game. Obviously he's got some things
Speaker 7: he has to clean up. I actually watched him speak
Speaker 7: at the podium at the combine and he said, quite clearly,
Speaker 7: which is true, that there were times he held the
Speaker 7: ball too long and that's some sacks are on him,
Speaker 7: and that's something he has to clean up. And I
Speaker 7: think that's another thing that people have to realize is
Speaker 7: that none of these quarterbacks enter the league as a
Speaker 7: finished product, and there's things that have to be coached
Speaker 7: and develop and that takes time, and those things can
Speaker 7: show up in the NFL and it doesn't mean that
Speaker 7: they're going to be bad players. So there's so many
Speaker 7: factors involved. But I thought clearly him war to me,
Speaker 7: was a defined number one quarterback prospect in this draft class.
Speaker 2: And so, okay, and we know he's gonna get drafted.
Speaker 2: Whar he's gonna get drafted. But when you look at him, Greg,
Speaker 2: did you think like number one pick that quarterba.
Speaker 7: I started to feel that way the more I watched
Speaker 7: him yes, and again it may or may not happen.
Speaker 7: You know, when you hear the Tennessee Titans brass talk,
Speaker 7: you kind of get this sense they hold a number
Speaker 7: one pick that they'd like to get more players because
Speaker 7: their roster is kind of depleted. So I don't know. Again,
Speaker 7: you never know if teams want want to trade up.
Speaker 7: We won't know that, you know, probably for a while.
Speaker 7: But I started to feel the more I watched Ward,
Speaker 7: and I just want people to understand that I watched
Speaker 7: him last summer seven eight games at Washington State. I
Speaker 7: think I watched nine games this year at the University
Speaker 7: of Miami. And the more I watched him, you know,
Speaker 7: as I said, there are definitely things that need to
Speaker 7: be cleaned up. There's no question. There's a little bit
Speaker 7: of a looseness and lack of discipline at times to
Speaker 7: his game that must be coached hard. But he can
Speaker 7: work the pocket, he can make progression throws, he can
Speaker 7: make outstanding outside of structured throws, which were prevalent throughout
Speaker 7: his tape. So I came to believe that, yes, he
Speaker 7: could be that kind of prospect.
Speaker 2: All right, some of these other guys, Greg, you know,
Speaker 2: shardor Sanders and Jackson Dart. Just watching the video, which
Speaker 2: is what you do, was there, who would you say
Speaker 2: was the next most impressive guy on video?
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're just going by tape, and again
Speaker 7: I'm not going to sit here and say this is
Speaker 7: where guys are going to get drafted, but I would say,
Speaker 7: just watching tape, I came away really impressed with Tyler
Speaker 7: Shuck out of He played for three teams in his
Speaker 7: college career, but he ended up this year at Louisville.
Speaker 7: It was the first year that he truly played as
Speaker 7: a full time starter and played pretty much all the games.
Speaker 7: I mean he was in. He came out of Arizona.
Speaker 7: It seems like he came out twenty years ago as
Speaker 7: one of the top rated quarterbacks in the country. But again,
Speaker 7: he's a very intriguing player because of his age, which
Speaker 7: by the way, most gms don't view that as a problem.
Speaker 7: It's more the injury history. But you know, I thought
Speaker 7: that he did a lot of the little things really well.
Speaker 7: Ball security. Always kept both hands on the ball when
Speaker 7: forced to move out of the pocket, whether climbing or escaping. Laterally,
Speaker 7: he has a very easy delivery. He worked from a
Speaker 7: firm base. He could sit on his back foot with
Speaker 7: bodies around him and drive the football. Yet he could
Speaker 7: throw with pace and touch, he could layer throws. He
Speaker 7: had enough movement that he's not a playmaker, but he
Speaker 7: had enough movement where he's not a statue. I thought
Speaker 7: his traits were strong, and I thought his tape was
Speaker 7: really really good. Now, again, I don't know where he's
Speaker 7: going to get drafted. I'm sure he's going to be
Speaker 7: polarizing in draft rooms. I'm sure there's some people listening
Speaker 7: right now that probably think, oh, he's you know, he's
Speaker 7: a third round player and he's not gonna make it.
Speaker 7: You know, we don't know the answer to these questions.
Speaker 7: But the tape was very good. And you know what,
Speaker 7: he's six' five and he's two twenty five and as
Speaker 7: you Know ross having played in this, league that's a.
Speaker 7: Trait there's a big difference between being six' one and
Speaker 7: six five when you're. A quarterback talking.
Speaker 2: With The great Greg co CELL From nfl, films here
Speaker 2: you can check him out on social Media at Greg
Speaker 2: CO cell's i think a lot of People listening greg
Speaker 2: On The fox sports radio affiliates are Watching on peacock
Speaker 2: are probably surprised that the second most impressive quarterback to
Speaker 2: you Was Not. Shador sanders so what did you see
Speaker 2: when you Broke down shador, Sanders tape since there's obviously
Speaker 2: the subject of a lot, of conversation.
Speaker 7: And again his tape. Not bad, you know that's the issue,
Speaker 7: You face ross as you, know this you talk every,
Speaker 7: single day and you know the way People Respond what
Speaker 7: i'm about to say is not a knock at All In.
Speaker 7: SHADOR sanders i just think you need to understand what
Speaker 7: kind of quarterback, he is and by, the way you can,
Speaker 7: be very very good in. The league he's, an easy
Speaker 7: natural thrower to. The football he does not have higher
Speaker 7: level arm strength and You can that's a discussion that
Speaker 7: people have all the time about the relative merits of
Speaker 7: arm strength IN. The nfl some believe, it's important some
Speaker 7: believe it's it's not one of the most. Important traits
Speaker 7: that's a discussion people have all the time when they.
Speaker 7: Evaluate quarterbacks, you know just as a, quick ASIDE when
Speaker 7: i hear the phrase he can make all, the throws
Speaker 7: that tells me he can't make all. The Throws and
Speaker 7: i'm Talking. About shador i'm talking ABOUT when i hear
Speaker 7: that about quarterbacks, in general because why are we. Saying that,
Speaker 7: you know so you know a quarterback could make all,
Speaker 7: the throws then why are we, even having, you know.
Speaker 7: Saying that, but anyway getting Back, TO shador I think
Speaker 7: chador is much more of a ball distributor and executor of.
Speaker 7: An offense that's the style of quarter. He is and by,
Speaker 7: the way you can be a really good quarterback IN
Speaker 7: the nfl playing. THAT way, i think As with WARD
Speaker 7: that i mentioned a few things that need to be,
Speaker 7: cleaned up there's a few Things with shador that need
Speaker 7: to be. Cleaned up, number one he has a tendency
Speaker 7: to hold the ball with one hand when he. Feels
Speaker 7: pressure you know as WELL as. I do that has
Speaker 7: to be cleaned up IN, the nfl and that'll be
Speaker 7: one of the first things that's, cleaned up because you
Speaker 7: cannot give the ball away IN. The nfl and second,
Speaker 7: of all he has a tendency to. Retreat backwards you
Speaker 7: cannot retreat backwards IN. The nfl but you're dealing with
Speaker 7: a guy that at his best. Is rhythmic he's, a
Speaker 7: distributor he's an easy thrower for the. Most part his
Speaker 7: ball placement is. Pretty precise there's a lot, to LIKE
Speaker 7: but i think he's a, ball distributor, YOU know i
Speaker 7: think in, some ways, YOU know i THOUGHT.
Speaker 3: OF.
Speaker 7: C j stroud when he came Out Of. OHIO state
Speaker 7: I thought stroud was a better prospect in a number.
Speaker 7: Of ways but they're both sort of at their core.
Speaker 7: Pocket quarterbacks and, YOU know I think sam not at
Speaker 7: the Level of Stroud when stroud, came out but he's
Speaker 7: that kind of player.
Speaker 2: Stylistically interesting Talking With, GREG cosa i want To transition
Speaker 2: greg to the veteran quarterbacks because we've got free agency. Next,
Speaker 2: week yeah and there are GUYS that i think you're gonna,
Speaker 2: Find Jobs, Sam Donald, daniel Jones, Justin Fields. Aaron rodgers
Speaker 2: let's Start with donald because there still seems to be
Speaker 2: some debate as to whether or not he's the guy
Speaker 2: he was in the first sixteen games, last year or
Speaker 2: he's the guy that he was in the last. Two
Speaker 2: games what do you think any team that Would sign
Speaker 2: donald will be getting?
Speaker 7: With, HIM well i think the discussion probably revolves around
Speaker 7: whether he's a scheme specific player or whether you can
Speaker 7: put him in any scheme and, be effective because don't forget,
Speaker 7: you know the year Prior, to minnesota he was a
Speaker 7: backup quarterback For, the niners and then he Went to
Speaker 7: Minnesota with, kevin O'Connell who pretty much everybody understands is
Speaker 7: a really good pass. Game schemer the schematics of that
Speaker 7: offense really, present clean defined throws for the quarterback at
Speaker 7: the intermediate and. Deeper levels and that's a rarity IN
Speaker 7: the nfl, these days with so many short balls, being
Speaker 7: Thrown and donald was phenomenal. At that here's the statistic
Speaker 7: that blew. Me away and he led the league in
Speaker 7: passes that went more than twenty yards in the air
Speaker 7: ross from the line. Of scrimmage think, about that more
Speaker 7: than twenty yards in the air from the line. Of
Speaker 7: scrimmage donald completed fifty seven percent of his passes that led.
Speaker 7: The league, By contrast mahomes completed twenty six percent of.
Speaker 7: His Passes and i'm Not suggesting donald's a better Quarterback.
Speaker 7: Than mahomes That's.
Speaker 2: Not he already. Said it it's on. Social, media, yeah
Speaker 2: yeah there.
Speaker 7: You, go so, YOU know, i MEAN so i think
Speaker 7: that that's the Discussion with donald as to whether you could,
Speaker 7: sign him plug him into any system and he would,
Speaker 7: be successful or whether what he did a year ago
Speaker 7: was very foundationally a product of Working with. Kevin O'Connell
Speaker 7: and that's probably one of those things that there's no
Speaker 7: it's not a. Mathematical equation no one knows the answer to,
Speaker 7: that specifically AND that i don't get into, the money
Speaker 7: but that will probably dictate what teams. Offer him if
Speaker 7: people felt you could put him in any system ross
Speaker 7: and he'd, be great he'd probably be in the forty
Speaker 7: five to fifty. Million range if people feel that that's not,
Speaker 7: the case he'll probably be closer to the thirty thirty five,
Speaker 7: million range and we'll see where it goes. From there
Speaker 7: but we're dealing with a six four to two hundred
Speaker 7: and twenty five pound guy with a, big arm AND
Speaker 7: need i say he can make every THROWER ofs, i, Love,
Speaker 7: Sorry greg and of course, he's mobile he can move.
Speaker 2: As, well yeah. Absolutely Love greg cosell comes On The
Speaker 2: Dan patrick show and drops a stat of the Day
Speaker 2: On sam darnold throwing it over twenty. Yards, downfield greg
Speaker 2: What About? Daniel jones You know i'm curious. About him
Speaker 2: is there Any Chance daniel jones could be This Year's
Speaker 2: sam darnold or two Years AGO's, baker mayfield that he
Speaker 2: could be sort of the reclamation Project in cleveland or
Speaker 2: somewhere and play at a.
Speaker 7: HIGH level a true enigma, For me ross because, you
Speaker 7: know up to, this point i'd have to SAY that
Speaker 7: i was wrong. ABOUT him i liked him. Coming OUT
Speaker 7: now i didn't like him THE way i thought He'd Be,
Speaker 7: josh ALLEN but i liked him, coming out and as
Speaker 7: we probably, ALL remember i know, you do his, rookie
Speaker 7: year he was. Very good there was a sense coming
Speaker 7: off his rookie season that he, could be, you know
Speaker 7: A quality nfl. Starting quarterback now we can start looking
Speaker 7: at any number of reasons why it, didn't happen, o
Speaker 7: line lack, of weapons but you have to also look at,
Speaker 7: the player. You know and one of the Things About
Speaker 7: daniel JONES that i thought started to really show itself
Speaker 7: and again now you get, into teams scheme and, other
Speaker 7: factors is even though he is mobile as a straight,
Speaker 7: line runner he's fairly robotic in. The pocket and one
Speaker 7: thing that, he LACKS and i think this is a really,
Speaker 7: important trait one thing that he lacks is, pocket movement
Speaker 7: and that's a difference between running out of. The pocket
Speaker 7: that's there are two totally. Different traits pocket movement is
Speaker 7: the ability to move within. The pocket think of an
Speaker 7: area that's, you know SMALLER than i let's say the
Speaker 7: size of a, boxing ring but, you know just to
Speaker 7: give you a sense of sort of confined space to
Speaker 7: be able to move in, the pocket within, the pocket to,
Speaker 7: avoid pressure keep your, eyes downfield maintain, your focus not
Speaker 7: lose your focus of the routes and, the coverage and
Speaker 7: still then reset your platform to deliver. THE ball i
Speaker 7: think that that's a trait that he needs that he hasn't,
Speaker 7: really SHOWN and i think that's really imperative for the
Speaker 7: style of quarterback that.
Speaker 2: He is check him out on social Media At greg
Speaker 2: cosel so you know wherever, he's at especially when he
Speaker 2: joins Me, on thursdays typically On The Ross Tucker. Football
Speaker 2: podcast obviously forty FIVE years. Nfl films, Just, Incredible greg
Speaker 2: thank you. So much, As, always ross.
Speaker 7: Really appreciate being on with. You today thanks for having
Speaker 7: me