WEBVTT - Up and Coming with Mireille Enos (S2 E15 "Shortcomings") 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:06.040 you a Charlotte? 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:11.120 Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two? 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:12.760 Thanks for joining us. 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:14.880 Here we go. All right, let's go back, let's go 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:15.800 back to this episode. 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:16.680 But it is fun. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.119 One of the things which is so obvious obviously, but 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:21.720 I'm just going to name it, one of the things 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.360 that is joyful about me watching this is that because 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.360 we all know things that happen. Yes, you can go back, 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.680 but we all have this vocabulary which is kind of amazing, amazing, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.519 and you know, due to our writers. Yeah, writers are 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:36.360 so important. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.400 Ye oh my goodness, writers or everything. If it's not 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.279 they are on the page, there's nothing you can do, 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:42.919 I know. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.880 I mean, in the beginning of the show, Charlotte wasn't 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.879 really on the page, and I really stressed, you know, quietly, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:51.159 because I didn't want to complain. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.720 Sure, right, I would just be like, oh, and you're 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:55.959 trying to bring so much. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.840 You're trying to bring subtext to like nothing that's really there. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.400 And then luckily as it. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.080 Went because also we were based on a column and 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.360 a paper that was about gossip in New York, right, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.520 so like all of them had to be kind of 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.480 fleshed out and deepened out. And obviously Carrie changed in 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.920 her own way from the true Candice Bushnell. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.360 You know, they deviated pretty significantly. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.479 But I think for Charlotte, you know, until we kind 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.320 of added some of our writers, and Jenny had grown 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:27.919 up on the Upper East Side and kind of knew 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.560 that life. And Michael Patrick took some time, Like he 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.480 said to me when he came on the show, which 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.640 was first season Darren Bard him on to write. He said, 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.000 I looked at your character and I was like, I 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.199 don't know what to write for her. And then over time, 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.560 of course he was it came to him and he 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.080 saw me and her and the world, and you know, 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.320 thank god, She's like, thank god it came to it. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.840 But it is interesting to look back sometimes. I also 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.000 think for myself and you were younger than me. But 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.760 the vibe still in the nineties in New York was 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.160 that not necessarily like the Charlotte versionsion of like married 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.880 with children, but like you were looking to get coupled up. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:10.239 It wasn't necessarily clear yet that this kind of growing 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.680 contingency of single women that's we're going to. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.520 Be like a power move or whatever. 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:18.720 I don't know how to put it, but you know, 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:20.960 like at a certain point in the two thousands, there 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.839 would be like at one point they put the four 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.600 of us on the cover of Time magazine and they wrote, 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:26.720 who needs a husband? 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:27.960 Wow? 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:29.640 I have it hanging in my class. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.320 It makes me Laugh's amazing, I know. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.680 I remember Ali mcbeales like there were a lot of 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.600 kind of conversation. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.720 Around that because the assumption before those conversations started was 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.560 that is the goal, even if you also work or whatever, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.880 like at some point you're going to lay down your career, Yeah, 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.399 to do husband, children, Yeah, all other things. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:52.639 Yeah. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:54.440 It's so interesting to think about. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.919 But I see it in so many weird details when 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:58.000 you look back at the shows. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:02:59.840 Like Miranda, I never thought of her. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.400 But the episode a couple of episodes ago was the 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.440 Chicken Dance where there's a wedding of her interior designer 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.959 meets this guy that she has coming from London to visit. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:10.760 It's a long story. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.520 She has hopes for the guy, but then they fall 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.440 in love at first sight and get married and she 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.520 reads the poem. Carry reads the poem and cries because 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.240 Big gets up and doesn't listen to her poem. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.600 It's very loaded. It's such a loaded. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.079 And then the best part for me is that the end, 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.320 we're all standing there, we've gone through a whole drama 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.560 at this wedding, and they throw the bouquet and lands 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.360 at our feet and we're like, okay, bye. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.400 None of you pick it up. Oh that's awesome. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:35.320 I know, it's so great. 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.400 Yeah, but it's so funny to think that that was 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.920 like new whatever, it was different, Yeah, fascinating. 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:45.240 Okay, back to the episode. Here we go, Oh, yes, 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.880 Roger's used, poor Roger. And then oh, here we go 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:50.360 with the Jason throw. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.080 Yes, Oh my gosh. 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.560 First of all, he's just so adorable. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.480 Cute god, oh, so funny and wonderful. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.640 I mean, so funny, wonderful, and like just to watch 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.920 his career another one where like you know, I mean, 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.520 I don't know in his career what he done was 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.360 for how we knew him, but he was definitely. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.960 Sarah knew him, I believe, And I. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.320 Think that what had happened with this episode was that 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:15.800 they were hoping she would get Matthew. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.960 Oh couldn't you see Matthew in that part? 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:20.360 Sure? 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:20.880 Right? 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.320 I mean yes, and I think that Matthew was like no, no, 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.600 and I think even Sarah was like. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.560 You know, it's a little weird. Yeah, it's a little weird. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:30.080 Like they don't. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.120 I mean, they did plus a sweep together, which is amazing. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.440 For sure, but just like a one off and particularly 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.479 what the storyline is, No, that would be so uncomfortable. Yeah, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.000 and just I think distracting for the audience too, as 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.240 it has been all those scenes being like, oh they're 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:49.040 actually married, absolutely absolutely no. 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.599 Yes, So I think we were like, hey, Justin, come 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.080 back and just cut your hair and put in some glasses. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.599 So we meet Justin. They're adorable, they're both writers. They 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.680 met at a pen luncheon, which I love, and then 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.360 that she gives him advice about, you know, what he 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:04.360 should or shouldn't wear. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.000 She says, never go shirt sleeveless. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:11.119 He's going to do a GCU GQ shoot because she says, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.200 no one ever gets nominated for a Pulitzer after they've gone. 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.320 Taking their shirt off. Yes, yeah, too funny. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.000 But then later on he takes a shirt off and 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.159 it's great, thank god, but that's not the photo shoot. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.360 So then we go we meet the. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.760 Family and this is kind of the background of the 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.520 theme of the story, which is are you dating the 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.360 person or the family? Do you feel more strongly about 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.560 the family than the person, because you can tell once 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.360 they get there. Not that she doesn't seem into him, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:37.719 she does, she does. 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.960 But she really likes really something. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.719 Yes, they really are and they're so kind of quintessentially 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.200 New York. The dad is a professor at Columbia. The 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:51.080 mom is a writer, documentarian documentaryian who reads Carrie's a 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.960 column tells her she's an icon, which kind of cragged 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.000 me out because it's Valerie Harper saying it. I mean, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:58.640 I was like, Wow, I don't remember any of this 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.440 is amazing, and they have these kids and there's. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.120 A lot of good food in New York and. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.240 Right, it's awesome and you can tell that Carrie loves it. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.080 Oh and the girls are named Franny and Zoe, Yes, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:16.800 which God's so funny, so funny. So then Carrie is 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:22.159 obviously very seduced by that life, by the lifestyle and 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:27.560 the kind of thoughtful you know, conversation and characters and whatnot. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.640 Now we're back, we're at the park. We discussed the. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.719 Hitting on the head the child, which is so crazy 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:36.560 about the divorce. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:38.679 Oh now we're at my house. 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:46.279 I love that I'm suddenly just making everybody muffin, so Charlotte. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.640 Because the muffin will fix that brother marriage problem. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:07:02.599 I know it's sad, but it's kind of funny. So 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:04.800 here I am with my brother, my poor brother who 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.159 we're never going to see her again. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:08.280 It's so crazy to watch, but. 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.800 It's funny because I also felt like like there's like 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.640 a weird vibe between me and the brother. Do you know, 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.200 like it doesn't seem that comfortable, Like I'm kind of 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:18.960 cheerful and trying to cheer him up, but it doesn't 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:19.400 seem like. 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.440 We're actually have a real relationship. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.760 Yeah, because he's like you don't even know, you know, 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.720 he's kind of like mad and like you don't even know. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.360 And I'm like, oh yeah, And then I love that 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.880 I do try to give him advice, like why did 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:32.440 you try? 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.320 And he's like, when was the last time you had 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:35.320 a long term relationship? 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.720 And I'm like, go, yeah, good call, good call. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.120 Brother, that's right, that's right, put me in my place. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.600 But the adorable thing, I'm just going to tell the 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.600 whole storyline now because it is so hysterical. So we 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.680 see the brother. I tell everybody about the brother. They 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.320 make fun of the brother. Then I want to introduce 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.760 him to my friends, meaning Carrie. And Carrie brings Samantha, 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.280 and I'm all like, weirdly, I mean, it's almost like 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.440 a high school yes, right, Like it's not Charlotte at 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.040 her most mature, as you know, not at all. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.320 But then I didn't mind, because family sometimes we do 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:09.240 kind of regress. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.840 That's a good point. No, that's very valid. 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.360 It's very valid because I think also we were not 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.920 afraid to show our characters bad you know, qualities or whatever, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:18.880 their shortcomings. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:19.880 So to speak to. 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:22.760 How I did that, that was good. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:27.360 So they Carrie brings him, brings Samantha, and of course 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.920 Samantha takes one look at him and either takes one 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.160 look at her. Next thing, you know, is the morning 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.080 at my apartment and I walk out and Samantha's there 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.960 without any pants on, trying to find coffee filters, and. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.200 I'm like, what are you doing there? 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.679 And then she is oblivious and kind of adorable. It's 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.640 coffee for all of us. It's so cute, you know, 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.319 shame in a way that Charlotte couldn't just be like, yeah, 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.360 Samantha's here, Yeah, you. 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.960 Know how great we have breakfast together. It's true, It's true. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.640 I kind of felt that way when I walked in, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.240 like it have been adorable, but not for Charlotte, because 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:07.080 has judgements and les absolutely So then I say this 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.360 very mean thing that she should be in the guidebook 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.520 for New York because she's open all the time, which 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.640 is like such an dick thing to say. Yeah. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.360 Yeah, And luckily she leaves and she does look really hurt. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.200 Yeah, very genuinely hurt. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:20.920 She really does. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.000 And your brother stands up for her and goes after, 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:23.760 which is nice. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.079 Nice, that was really nice, And also then connects back 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.600 to when he tries to say to me, you know, 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.560 this is what really happened. I haven't had sex in 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.760 two years, and she made me feel great. Yeah, and 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.400 that does seem to land for Charlotte. Thank god. I 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.800 feel like that's like a good moment of Charlotte learning something, yes, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.839 And so luckily then I make muffins for Samantha, you guys, and. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.000 Go to her door, and she luckily forgives me. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:48.880 I say I'm sorry, and then she smacks me on 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.440 the butt, which is something she always did, which is interesting. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.880 That was Kim ADLERB that she was very fond of 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.400 and I was always like. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:01.160 But it was fine. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.320 It was kind of an interesting thing because it's like 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.840 kind of an old fashioned masculine energy thing. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:07.680 Yes it is, yeah, yeah, but. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.400 Man also like a generational that you guys are friends, 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.720 but also you're a kid too, like and. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:18.720 Definitely definitely, definitely it's very it's very loving and funny 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.559 in a weird way, unexpected and funny. And I also 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.640 can you can tell that I don't expect her to 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.800 do it, which is also funny because she she she 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.240 does do it off and on throughout the years. Now 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:37.120 this is the whole thematic situation. No, yes, oh good, Yes, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.760 thematics are so good about the family and I love this. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.199 Oh this is oh the Justine. Yeah, we didn't talk 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.920 about Justin's poor problem. It's not Justin, of course, it's 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.640 the character. It's the character. So this is the sad, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.240 sad thing. And I felt so bad for Carrie in 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.199 this whole storyline. I hadn't remembered this at all. Right, 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.360 so I'm basically like a first time viewer because you're 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.719 thinking this guy is fantastic. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:07.240 Yeah, he's adorable, he's a writer. His family is awesome. Yes, 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.319 And then they start. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:16.000 Making out in Carrie's kitchen and then he, you know, ejaculates. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.040 I'm just gonna have to say it. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.600 So he has like, what was it called has sure, 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.439 thank you, premature ejaculation. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.560 It's terrible. It's terrible, you. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.360 Know, and poor Carrie just looks like kind of like, oh, dear, 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.920 And then you can see that she's like, the wheels 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.120 are turning, the wheels are churning. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.600 What do I do? How do I? 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.720 And you know, at a certain point, once she meets 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.960 the family, then she just wants talk about the family. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:40.440 And then at one point he goes, I think this 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:41.920 would be the next thing, and he goes, oh, I 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:43.560 don't want to talk about my family right now because 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.160 they're kissing right But she now is kind of infatuated 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.360 with his mother in a way, which is adorable. But 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.040 of course he wouldn't want to talk about his mother. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.000 Oh I love the part where he So she has 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.040 a scene with the. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.280 Mother played played by Valerie. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:01.120 Harper, when Valerie Harper says, I always talk very openly 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.760 to my case my children since they were two and 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.640 of course as a mom, I'm thinking like that, it's 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.280 amazing she did that, right, then, come to find out 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.960 Justin's character says Carrie. When Carrie tries eventually to talk 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.360 to him about this, he goes, I'm so sick. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.679 Of talking about sex, says I was two years old, right, 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.599 And you're like, ooh, backfire, backfire situation. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.760 But it's so sad too, because you know, they try 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.240 a few times and they keep running into the same problem, 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.400 and eventually Carrie is like, we're going to take it slow, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.640 and she's really trying to like not bail, you know, 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.600 she's trying to actually, and he just cannot talk about it. 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.559 He cannot deal, he cannot try to work it out. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.559 And he seems mad mad, which is not good. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.800 That's the main problem, because my feeling is you can 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:51.640 work on anything. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.960 People stay open and communicate and yeah, yeah, but he can't. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:58.440 No, he's mad. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.040 And it's so sad because there he's shirtless, he's like 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.600 so dreamy, he's justin you know, but yet I can't 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.840 even talk to her about it, and he seems mad 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:09.920 that she's trying. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.240 Yes, and that's a terrible trait. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:17.800 Yes, yeah, that's just like if you can't have communication, 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.920 then that's yeah, there's nothing you're doing. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.400 No, no, and it's really sad. And then she realizes 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.400 that she really has to break up. 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:29.800 With his mother and that's so sad, and have your 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:30.880 wonderful scene. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.079 Yeah, so you guys go back. 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.199 You go. We're back at the apartment with the family, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.640 and everybody's perched on like kind. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:41.160 Of small furniture, yes, living room. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.160 We're all just started around with our plates of Yeah, 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.920 it's so cute, and you are the girlfriend. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.440 I'm this girlfriend of Justin's little sister, got it? Got it? 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.440 Which is Franny or Zoe? Don't know one of them. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.560 I think Zoe got it? Yeah, one of them? 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.240 And you got did they say you're going can We're going? 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.200 Valerie at one point is like, oh, whichever one it 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:10.319 is tells me that you're going camping, which I thought 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.720 was really funny because even though this family is amazing 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.240 in all the things, there's also is a sense that 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:24.880 like that mother definitely inserts herself into her children's lives 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.560 and Sarah and I she has this voiceover. Sarah and 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.840 I had this moment looking at each other, and she 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.840 has this voiceover where she says something like because you're outsiders. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.160 We're outsiders. Like Jem and I looked at each other 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.600 like the people. I can't remember exactly something like we 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.560 didn't have the passports and yeah, and there was a 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:46.440 feeling of like even though it's amazing to have like 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.880 a family like that, like within reason, like at some 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:54.080 point the mothers, yeah, to give their children the space 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.400 absolutely to run there. 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.600 Absolutely they know it's almost too close. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:00.400 It's most two. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.960 Yeah, I have a family I know who's like this 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.800 and everyone every family member is amazing. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.360 But the boys in the family have. 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.200 Challenges when it comes to the girlfriends in terms of 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.440 everyone approving friend or accepting. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.040 And I feel for. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.680 Them because, like, on the one hand is the closeness, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.520 Like just as a mother, you look at that and 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.680 you think, like, isn't that amazing you have your grown children, 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:31.600 You're so close, right, doesn't that feel wonderful? But then 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.320 also you need enough space that. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.800 They can make their own new life try trying and 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:43.720 choose people, right, It's interesting and that like when when 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.280 Carrie then is like I'm going to leave because justin 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.240 throw is like banging around and basically having. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.920 Having a grown, grown tantrum and Rhoda I most saying. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.960 Jeff is like it's a there's to ignore him. He's like, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:58.680 where is it? 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.200 Yeah? So Carrie tries to leave, and you know, value 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:06.200 Happer's character like follows her and and basically says, look, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.280 his last girlfriend was less discreet, and you know, is 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.120 it's I know, I know the problem is in the 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.320 irony that he's a short story writer. Why yeah, And 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:22.520 Carrie's like, I cannot discuss this with you about anything. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.080 It's like, no, that's mortifying. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.600 That's mortifying. It really is. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.800 Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I mean 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:29.920 this is the other thing that went through my head. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.200 I'm thinking to myself, like the mom needs to get 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.720 him into some therapy, yes, right, Like if she's more 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.000 love it, then she just actually. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.720 Be productive and yet help the actual problem. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.680 He needs talk therapy and also like a doctor, a 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.440 doctor help work. There there's things that can be done, right, yeah, 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:50.640 I think they think there is. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.160 Aren't there commercials for this ed? 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.240 Yes, there are. I don't know what. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.320 I don't know back in the day, but I'm sure back. 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.240 In the day, right, I'm sure there are things that 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:01.920 could something be done. 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:07.120 Definitely something man out totally. Let's hope he got help 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.640 in the future at some point. But then the sweet 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.840 scene where the voiceover says, you know, I realized that 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.440 I needed to break up with his mother and she's 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.880 basically trying to say, it's not you, You're wonderful, And then 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.280 the mom is trying to fight for the relationship, and 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.639 then she says something crazy like seventy five percent of 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.160 marriages are sexless. 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:27.320 I'm like, oh God. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:32.040 Now Carrie's reaction to that, she's just like, we cannot 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:36.160 be satisfied with those numbers. No, like to just settle 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:36.600 for that. 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:39.280 No, no, I mean. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.000 On the other hand, Bellary Harper saying, you know, that's 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:45.199 not the only thing, and I think it's true, right, not. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.600 The only thing, but it is one of the things. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:48.880 Right. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.160 But it's also interesting if you look at the way 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.920 that our characters all talk about sex, because obviously that's 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.159 part of the thing that we do right, which is 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:01.320 freeing and amazing, But then it's sometimes almost seems like 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.480 the focus goes too much, too much, too right, And luckily, 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:09.719 through Charlotte's whole marriage thing, we have we have some 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.560 growth in that area for her at least, right but 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.280 everyone is different in terms of how important sex is 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:15.399 to them or not or whatever. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.560 That's right, right, well, and also because the show is 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.159 exploring like the starts of lots of relationships, right, that 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:25.280 is an exciting part of the beginning of relationship, right, 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:26.960 So there's a lot of focus on that at the 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:31.640 beginning of relationship, and then obviously hopefully everything evolves together, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.359 right but right, No, if that thing is broken at 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.439 the beginning, right, then it's like, oh, then where's this 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:38.160 going to go? 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.719 Because and especially if the person can't talk about it, 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.240 like in the way they Carrie really tries. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.120 Which I was so happy that she did because. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.679 I didn't remember the storyline at all, right, so I 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.520 was like, oh my god, what's going to happen? She 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.120 hung in there, she really tries, and maybe it's because 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.680 she loves his family, but also he's adorable and it's 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:55.920 so cute. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:00.639