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Speaker 1: Mmm, Hello friends, I am Robert Evans and this is

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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards to show where we tell you

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Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history. Today with me is my guest who

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Speaker 1: I will be reading a story about a terrible person

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Speaker 1: to My guest is coming in cold. His name is

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Speaker 1: Dave Ross. He is the host of the Suicide Buddies

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Speaker 1: podcast and a comedian. Dave, Welcome to the show. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me man. Thank you. Um, I'd already thank

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Speaker 1: you before, but you deserve to thank you? Isn't at

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Speaker 1: least one more? But that one's going to be a

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Speaker 1: secret thank you? Man, thank you? You know what I mean? No, no,

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Speaker 1: because now I have to give you my third thank

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Speaker 1: you now, but that thank you was planning for later.

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Speaker 1: You can also say you're welcome if you want to

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Speaker 1: save your thank you. I've never heard those words before. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: no one really is, all right, So today we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about a guy, Paul Manafort. What do you

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Speaker 1: What do you know about Paul Manafort? I know very

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Speaker 1: little about Paul and Afford he was, wasn't he Trump's

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Speaker 1: campaign manager for a half a minute? Yeah? Yeah, A

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Speaker 1: couple of months. He was one of the guys that

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Speaker 1: more than that, you know, alone, he's in jail. I

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Speaker 1: did not know. Wow, Okay, yeah he's he's fucking in jail.

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Speaker 1: Mueller caught him on a bunch of getting into that.

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Speaker 1: I am viciously not plugged in to current events or

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Speaker 1: pop culture always my entire life. That's the sane thing

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Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, it's more so now because I'm forced

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Speaker 1: to be. But yeah, well all right, yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: guess what most people listening know about Paul Manifford's Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was Donald Trump's campaign manager for a while. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Mueller caught him doing some shady stuff and he's in

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Speaker 1: jail now. And uh maybe he did something shady in

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Speaker 1: the Ukraine, but they probably don't have fun the details,

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Speaker 1: good stuff. We're gonna be getting into all that today.

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Speaker 1: But um, you know, Maniford is definitely most well known

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump elected president. Um, and I the big point

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Speaker 1: that Paul Manifford's work with the Trump campaign is probably

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Speaker 1: the least objectionable thing he did in his entire life.

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, he is a major bad guy and so far,

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Speaker 1: I would I would venture to say he's done more

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Speaker 1: mean we're only two years into this presidency, so Trump

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Speaker 1: can grow. But Paul Manaford is a world class historical

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Speaker 1: great asshole. And that's what today's story is about. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, um wait yeah, yeah, So join me, won't

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Speaker 1: you on a journey that I like to call Paul

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Speaker 1: Manafort is just as bad, if worse than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I hope a hype a fire ants sets up

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Speaker 1: shop in his colon. That's a working title. Is that

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Speaker 1: the whole story? Because we can't talk about that for

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Speaker 1: a while. I mean, how would you get fire ants

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Speaker 1: inside of a man's colon? Horn surgery is involved horn surgery,

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Speaker 1: for long enough, and you have to course the ants

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Speaker 1: Either way, it's workable. I think we can there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a road to this destination? Um okay anyway. Paul

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Speaker 1: Manafort Jr. Was born on April one, nineteen forty nine,

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Speaker 1: making his entire life and career essentially one very dark

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Speaker 1: But Paul's father, Paul Manafort Senor, wanted more than just

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Speaker 1: so in nineteen sixty five, Manafort Senior ran for and

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Speaker 1: the Atlantic article Paul Manafort American Hustler, and it brings

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Speaker 1: What criminal mayor dad wow man. And so this isn't

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Speaker 1: even his career yet, he hasn't even this is not

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Speaker 1: a great shitty mayor, one of the great shitty mayor's

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Speaker 1: and shitty mayor movies. Great. Yeah, yeah, I love a

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Speaker 1: great what a great system we've developed. Alright. Uh so

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Speaker 1: Paul Manafort Jr. Hereafter the only Paul Manafort will be

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Speaker 1: talking about. So just forget, forget to set that, senior dude,

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Speaker 1: got it. Uh he first, Paul Manafort first got into

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Speaker 1: national politics in nineteen seventy six. That was the year

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Speaker 1: President Gerald Ford ran for reelection. Manafort was his delegate

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Speaker 1: um um in. Manafort took a job as the Southern

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Speaker 1: one of Manafort's whips called one of the great funk

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Speaker 1: so much. It's the only show that's really accurately portrayed

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Speaker 1: So President Reagan won the election nineteen eighty with Paul

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Speaker 1: Manafort's help. It was the name of the guy that

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Speaker 1: they buried, Neil Acker. Neil Acker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Neil Acker. Um.

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Speaker 1: So in nineteen eighty Reagan wins with Paul Maniffort's help. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And this gives Manafort the access and cloud he'd always needed. Uh.

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Speaker 1: and Florida, the firm represented both Republican and Democratic candidates

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Speaker 1: in that year's elections, guaranteeing they'd have a lobbying in

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Speaker 1: no matter who won. Oh yeah, see, we're we're well

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Speaker 1: into it now. Yeah. Uh, and we will. We will

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Speaker 1: get back into it, but first we have to have

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Speaker 1: some ads. And and before we get into the official ads,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to talk a little about our unofficial sponsor, Derritos,

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Speaker 1: who have not yet given us any money, but who

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Speaker 1: I think. I'm a big advocate of Dorritos. After and

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Speaker 1: least you're gonna have some dirits. You can have some derritos,

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Speaker 1: which should be their new tagline. At least you can

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Speaker 1: have some derritos. I remember when Taco Bell first came

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Speaker 1: out with the Doritos Locos tacos. Everyone in my world

437
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Speaker 1: was making fun of them, but my immediate reaction was like, man,

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Speaker 1: that sounds great, and then I went and had one,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, it was great. And to this

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Speaker 1: day I still eat them and it it hurts me,

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Speaker 1: you know, it hurts my butt, but it's all right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's sometimes works. Just need that dorrito's flavor, and

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Speaker 1: you also need the other products and services that are

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Speaker 1: advertised on our podcast and helped to support the show,

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Speaker 1: which are coming up now. Welcome back to Behind the Bastards.

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Speaker 1: We're eating fruit, leather and our mouth. It's all good.

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Speaker 1: Whatever kind of leather you have to put in your

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Speaker 1: mouth to hear the rest of the story is fine.

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00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 1: It's a rough one. So Paul Manafort, God, that would

450
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Speaker 1: be the right drink, because gin is terrible and this

451
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Speaker 1: is a terrible story as Yeah, he nailed. It's like

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Speaker 1: a woodpeg to chew on and gin to drink. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to feel like a junifer berries fucking me

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Speaker 1: in the mouth. It's time for gin. I always want

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Speaker 1: to feel like that. Yeah, okay, So we just talked

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Speaker 1: about how Black Manifort and Stone, Paul Maniforts lobbying firm,

457
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: had sort of invented the idea of just funding both

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Speaker 1: sides of an election and not really caring who wins

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Speaker 1: because you can sell you know, corporate access to them

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Speaker 1: either way. So The Atlantic around this time in the

461
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Speaker 1: early eighties quoted a congressional staffer who joked, why have

462
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Speaker 1: primaries for the nomination? Why not just have the candidates

463
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Speaker 1: go over to Black Manafort in Stone and argue it out.

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Speaker 1: So that's sort of the attitude in the belt Way

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Speaker 1: about these people, and Manafort was very much into that attitude.

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Speaker 1: He filled out a questionnaire for the Washington Time somewhere

467
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Speaker 1: around this this period, and he stated that Machiavelli was

468
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Speaker 1: the person he most wanted to meet, which is like, okay, dude, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So things started getting very busy for Paul Manafort in

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Speaker 1: the mid nineteen eighties. He's revolutionizing the way Washington works.

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Speaker 1: His first daughter, Andrea, was conceived in between conference calls.

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Speaker 1: She later wrote that he quote, how much do you

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Speaker 1: know that this is what his daughter said? How does

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Speaker 1: she know that that's I don't know how I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's what Paul Manafort told her. Yeah, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It's pretty ridiculous for me

477
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Speaker 1: to call bullshit on any of these facts at this point,

478
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Speaker 1: but that one's just like, it doesn't painting have a

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Speaker 1: good light, she said. He quote hung up the phone,

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Speaker 1: looked at his watch, and said, Okay, we have twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes until the next one, meaning the next conference call.

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Speaker 1: So she's not painting a good pick, sure of her

483
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Speaker 1: dad here, but we'll We'll hear more from Andrea later,

484
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Speaker 1: especially knowing that he told her that, whether it's true

485
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Speaker 1: or not, he was like, how old was she when

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Speaker 1: he told her? This is clearly the story he wanted

487
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Speaker 1: her to know. Yes, yeah, and it's wanted her to

488
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Speaker 1: be us and evil when she grew up to yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it worked out. Um, So Paul and his fellow

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Speaker 1: partners started taking home big fat four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand a year on paychecks, which back then was like

492
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Speaker 1: a million dollars a year. The company was also full

493
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Speaker 1: of money, so they started throwing massive yearly parties, golf parties,

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Speaker 1: which got rowdy enough that they were apparently kicked out

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Speaker 1: of every venue they booked. They never got to use

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Speaker 1: the same venue two years in a row. Yeah. One

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Speaker 1: former employee and good friend of Paul Manafort is quoted

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Speaker 1: in the Atlantic as saying this. A couple of women

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Speaker 1: in the firm complained that they weren't ever invited. I

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Speaker 1: told them they didn't want to be. So that's what

501
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Speaker 1: that gross at all. Yeah, So damn it, these people,

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Speaker 1: it's just garbage. Paul Manafort ran the company's social committee.

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Speaker 1: It was his job to arrange these fuc duranch golf

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Speaker 1: parties and also to pick themes for their yearly gathering.

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Speaker 1: During one three year period, the themes were excess, exceed

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Speaker 1: excess and excess as best. These are lovely people may

507
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Speaker 1: super creative, No, and you can just couldn't just say caligula.

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00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: That would be more creative creative. You could be fucking

509
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Speaker 1: pouring wine down your faces and having slaves peel you grapes.

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Speaker 1: But now we just go with fucking Gordon Gecko bullshit, straightforward.

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Speaker 1: So manaforts demanded a loyalty test for employees hoping to

512
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Speaker 1: make partner, but they were lame loyalty tests. Like you

513
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Speaker 1: hear loyalty tests and you expect him to be like

514
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Speaker 1: cutting people and stuff and planning them. But no, he

515
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Speaker 1: would just like he had one guy entertained his friends

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Speaker 1: from law school for several hours when he didn't want

517
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Speaker 1: to deal with him. He gave two guys a day

518
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Speaker 1: to find a Billy Barty impersonator for St. Patrick's day,

519
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Speaker 1: so it would be like dumb ship like that. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a little better than what you would think. You know.

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Speaker 1: At this point, I just I take points away from

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Speaker 1: him for not leaning into being aman. Yeah, if you're

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Speaker 1: already ruining thousands of people's lives, yeah, you might as

524
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Speaker 1: well demand a kidney from someone who wants to make

525
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Speaker 1: partners so you have an extra kid what he's just

526
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Speaker 1: lame over On the global stage. During the Carter administration,

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Speaker 1: the US has started supporting some nice boys in Afghanistan

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00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: called the Mujahadeen. The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank,

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Speaker 1: liked this Carter era gun running operation and suggested it

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Speaker 1: be expanded into at least nine other countries. So when

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Speaker 1: President Reagan was elected. The Reagan doctrine wound up being

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Speaker 1: exactly what the Heritage Foundation had suggested, sending arms and

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Speaker 1: advisors to aid anti communist forces around the world. The

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Speaker 1: goal essentially was to bleed the U s s R.

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Speaker 1: White by engaging them in a bunch of Vietnam style conflicts,

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Speaker 1: and we would just give guns to whoever was against

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Speaker 1: the communists, and if they were, you know, dictators or

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Speaker 1: murder squads or whatever, we supported people like the Nicaraguan

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Speaker 1: Contras and the camer People's National Liberation Front and Cambodia.

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Speaker 1: So strong men, rebel leaders, and dictators the world over

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Speaker 1: suddenly realized that if they could charm the Reagan administration,

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Speaker 1: they could win a shipload of guns and money. But

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00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: to get those guns and money, they'd need lawyers. Enter Manifort,

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Speaker 1: Black and Stone or Black, Manifort and Stone as the

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Speaker 1: actual name. But you know who cares fuck him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So Paul Manafort particularly developed an expertise for helping these people.

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Speaker 1: His first big fish was the President of the Philippines,

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Speaker 1: Ferdinand Marcos. Now I say a president, but I mean dictator.

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Speaker 1: Amnesty International estimates Marcos tortured more than thirty four thousand

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Speaker 1: people and had three thousand, two d forty political opponents killed,

551
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: which was bad in the eighties and now sounds like

552
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: like almost a nice guy just by the our standards

553
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: of tyrants at the moment. Yeah, yeah, well, what did

554
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: he do anything good? No? I mean he embezzled ten

555
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: billion dollars of the country's wealth to his own pockets.

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Speaker 1: It is also funny that we're hearing you're telling me

557
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: a story of one man, and that story just lightly

558
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: involves other sort of I don't even know the word

559
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: for its tail is a gentle caressing hand on the

560
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Speaker 1: faces of like half a dozen different terrible people, are right, Yeah,

561
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 1: a lot more because we could do a whole episode

562
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: on Roger Stone because he's a real piece of ship.

563
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you can do and there's there's an episode.

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00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: There's you could do an episode on fucking Ferdinand Marcos

565
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: because he's a real all of these he exclusively works

566
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Speaker 1: with pieces of ship. That's that's the Paul Manafort brand. Um,

567
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: he's single, he's about to be because he's in fucking

568
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: jail and we'll hopefully die there. Yeah. He starts working

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Speaker 1: for Ferdinand Marcos, who had again tortured thirty four thousand

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Speaker 1: people by this point, and all of that murdering and

571
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: torture was bad. Pr Ferdinand set aside something like fifty

572
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Speaker 1: seven million dollars for Ronald Reagan's nineteen eighty and nineteen

573
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Speaker 1: eighty four campaigns. He didn't actually pay all that money

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Speaker 1: to Reagan, because it's illegal for foreign powers to directly

575
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: donate to US political candidates. But Marcos did give Paul

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Speaker 1: Manafort's company a whole lot of money, at least nine

577
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, and possibly much

578
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: much more. Manafort's job was to improve the image of

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Speaker 1: the Marcos regime, especially among the Reagan administration. That shouldn't

580
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Speaker 1: have been a hard job. The first couple, the Reagans,

581
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: had met the marcos Is in the late sixties and

582
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 1: become good friends. Ronald Reagan had danced with Emelda Marcos.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Reagan may have received in the legal emerald necklace

584
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Speaker 1: as a gift from him, But by the midnineteen eighties,

585
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Speaker 1: Marcos was just killing way too many people to receive

586
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Speaker 1: open support from his old friends, the President and the

587
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Speaker 1: first Lady. Now we don't actually know how or if

588
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Speaker 1: that earmarked fifty seven million dollars was spent. There are

589
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: rumors that Paul Manafort himself was handed at least ten

590
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Speaker 1: million dollars of it, some of it in cash in

591
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: a briefcase like given to him million dollars he so

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Speaker 1: Marcos had set aside. We know that he set aside

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Speaker 1: fifty seven million dollars to help the Reagans, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: he didn't give that directly to them, And we don't

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Speaker 1: know how much of that money was actually spent. There

596
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: is a rumor that at least ten million of it

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00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: wound up in Paul Manafort's hands, that Emilga Marcos just

598
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Speaker 1: walked it over to him in briefcases filled with cash. Um.

599
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Speaker 1: But we don't know because none of it was reported.

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00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Um An effort denies that he spent any of this money,

601
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: that he received it, that he was that he spent.

602
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: Manafort denies that he received any money that he didn't

603
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: report to the government. But as we'll see in the

604
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: rest of the story, he has a history of not

605
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: reporting all the money he gets from dictators to the government.

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Speaker 1: So the rumor is that he was given at least

607
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Speaker 1: ten million dollars by the Marcos regime personally as a bribe.

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Speaker 1: And we know that one of the guys Reagan sent

609
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Speaker 1: over to tell Marcos when he finally had to leave

610
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: because the rebels were at the gates. One of the

611
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: guys the US sent over to like give him this information.

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00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: Marcos kept saying to him, but I you know, I

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Speaker 1: paid ten million dollars to Ronald Reagan's campaign. How am

614
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: I not getting help right now? And he didn't know.

615
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: This guy didn't know what he was talking about, because

616
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: there was no record of that. Right. What it is

617
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: is he he gave ten million dollars to Paul Manafort,

618
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: who just wanted away with it, which is a thing

619
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: that Yeah, Manafort says that's totally fiction and that he

620
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: did everything by the book. But we'll read the rest

621
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: of the story and you can tell me how much

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Speaker 1: you believe that Paul Manafort didn't just steal ten million

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Speaker 1: dollars from a dictator. Right. Well, that's the thing with

624
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: these people, right Eventually, I'm sorry, I don't mean to

625
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: derail you entirely. When you really think about people like

626
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: Roger Stone and Paul Manaford and Donald Trump, people who

627
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: just funk with the world, they yeah, right, that's what

628
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: they do. I think they come from such a unique

629
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: perspective on life, whereas I feel like, even though people

630
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: do awful things all the time, are rude to each other,

631
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: disrespectful to each other, we've all messed up, and we've

632
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: all bullied and been bullied and all that stuff. I

633
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Speaker 1: think a great many people are trying to do the

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Speaker 1: right thing. But I think these in order to be

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Speaker 1: like that, you literally have to think, like man, life

636
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Speaker 1: would be fun if I didn't care about anyone else's

637
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Speaker 1: pain at all, it would be super fun. And I

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Speaker 1: really think that's what it is. And I know that

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be shocking to me. It shouldn't be that weird

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Speaker 1: to me that people think that way, but I can't

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Speaker 1: accept it. But I really think that they look at

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Speaker 1: the world as an amusement park in which they get

643
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Speaker 1: to do whatever they want, and they don't care about

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Speaker 1: their legacy at all. They just think, like, man, if

645
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Speaker 1: I could have the most sex and a bunch of money,

646
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Speaker 1: and my whole life could be an adventure, even if

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Speaker 1: millions of people die, then that would be pretty fun.

648
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Speaker 1: You only live once, right, And I think your big part, right.

649
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Speaker 1: I think Roger Stone is that kind of guy, which

650
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Speaker 1: is why he's very carefully picked the jobs he's picked.

651
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Speaker 1: Paul Manafort wanted a legacy and wanted power, and that

652
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Speaker 1: will wind up being his downfall later in this story. Interesting,

653
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't happy, just enjoying life, Okay, So, but I'm

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Speaker 1: getting ahead of myself here. So Politico looked deeper into

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Speaker 1: the story of Marcos or of a Manafort receiving ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars from Marcos after Manafort started working for Trump,

657
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Speaker 1: and they found a lot of information that had never

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Speaker 1: been made public because nobody back then had cared what

659
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Speaker 1: some shady guy with connections to Reagan did in the Philippines.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote Polico here. Manafort and his associates advised

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Speaker 1: the couple on electoral strategy, the marcos Is on electoral strategy,

662
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Speaker 1: and in Washington, where they worked to retain goodwill by

663
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Speaker 1: tamping down concerns about the Marcos regimesman rights record, theft

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Speaker 1: of public resources, and ultimately their perpetration of a massive

665
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Speaker 1: vote rigging effort to try and stay in power in

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Speaker 1: the Philippines nineteen eight six presidential election. So Manafort became

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Speaker 1: so well known in the Philippines as the guy who

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Speaker 1: was essentially lying to the rest of the world about

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Speaker 1: what was going on in their country. Corazon Aquino, the

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Speaker 1: woman who ran against Marcos in that election, actually brought

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Speaker 1: up Paul Manafort a lot during her campaign. Um Teddy

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Speaker 1: looks In, a Filipino journalist, said, quote, Manafort's name was

673
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Speaker 1: like Voldemort today. So he made the Harry Potter And

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Speaker 1: I'm not a guy for making Harry Potter connections to politics,

675
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Speaker 1: but he fucked did so. That nineteen six election was

676
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Speaker 1: a snap election, and I think it was Manafort's advice

677
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Speaker 1: to Marcos that he holds a snap election. And the

678
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Speaker 1: goal was people say, I'm not a Democratic leader. So

679
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Speaker 1: if I hold an immediate election right now, you know,

680
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Speaker 1: it happens out of nowhere. And it's just so he

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Speaker 1: can prove that he's the man that people want to charge.

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Speaker 1: And they were hoping to just rig the election and

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Speaker 1: coast on it. Manafort said at the time about this

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Speaker 1: snap election, what we've tried to do is make it

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Speaker 1: more of a Chicago style election and not in Mexico's.

686
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Speaker 1: And back then, saying something was a Chicago style election

687
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Speaker 1: meant that it involved blatant voter fraud, which it did. Um. Yeah,

688
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Speaker 1: so after the snap election, the Marcos regime claims victory

689
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Speaker 1: that they solidly won the election. International observers say no,

690
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Speaker 1: like this is clearly fraudulent and here is a shipload

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Speaker 1: of evidence, and it leads to like a gigantic a

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Speaker 1: three week standoff between Marcos his opponent, and the whole

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Speaker 1: country standoff, like an armed standoff, like rebels taking to

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Speaker 1: the round his palace or whatever, like the like the

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Speaker 1: stereotypical the rebels are at the gates of the palace,

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Speaker 1: shaking on the gigs and guns point like that happens,

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Speaker 1: and Marcos has to like depart the country with his wife.

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Speaker 1: They wind up in Hawaii with one of Paul Manafort's employees,

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Speaker 1: like flies out with them, and yeah, still just helping

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Speaker 1: them get set up in their new line. Remind me

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Speaker 1: real quick, what the investment for Paul Manafort in the

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Speaker 1: Philippines and the Marcos government. Shipload of money, that's the

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Speaker 1: that's a percent of it. They're giving him a shipload

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Speaker 1: of money. He's received on paper at least a million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year from them, which is more like two

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Speaker 1: million a year in our modern and he has almost

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Speaker 1: certainly received at least ten million dollars in straight up

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Speaker 1: cash for him, not for his company. Yeah, so this

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Speaker 1: is a good business for him. So yeah, six was

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Speaker 1: a busy year for Paul Manafort. In addition to everything

711
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Speaker 1: he was doing with the marcos Is, he also did

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Speaker 1: a lot of work for a client named Jonah Savimbi,

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Speaker 1: a former Maoist war lord who had become an anti

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Speaker 1: communist war lord. His army kind of sword absolutely turned

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Speaker 1: women into sex slaves and murdered children. So you can

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Speaker 1: see why he needed the pr genius of Paul Manafort

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Speaker 1: to refurbish his image. He's working with this guy the

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00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: same year he's working with fucking Ferdinand Marcos. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: Manafort had Sevembi make a pilgrimage to New York and

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Speaker 1: d C to charm journalists and politicians with the hope

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Speaker 1: of getting aid from the US government and former shipload

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Speaker 1: of weapons to continue perpetrating his war. He had Savimbi

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Speaker 1: were an expensive suit and right around in a stretched

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Speaker 1: limo from fancy hotel to fancy hotel. Here's how A

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Speaker 1: Time magazine article from nineteen eighties six the slickst shop

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Speaker 1: in Town, which is what they called. Manafort's firm described

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Speaker 1: the charm tour. When Savimbi came to Washington last month

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Speaker 1: to seek support for his guerrilla organization and its struggle

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Speaker 1: against the Marxist regime in Angola, he hired Black Manifort.

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Speaker 1: When the what the firm achieved was quickly dubbed Savimbi chic.

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Speaker 1: Doors swung open all over town for the guerrilla leader,

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Speaker 1: who was depardly attired in a Nehru suit and ferried

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Speaker 1: about in a stretched limousine. Dole had shown. Bob Dole

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Speaker 1: had shown only general interest in Savimbi's cause until Black,

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Speaker 1: the majority leader's former aid, approached him on his client's behalf.

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Speaker 1: Doll promptly introduced a congressional resolution backing Unita that was

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Speaker 1: his his organization's insurgency, and sent a letter to the

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Speaker 1: State Department urging that the US supply it with heavy arms.

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Speaker 1: The firm's fee for such services was report at least

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Speaker 1: six dred thousand dollars. It's a bargain, so yeah, that

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Speaker 1: comes from where terrorist warlord give him grand and they

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Speaker 1: get him in touch with the halls of power, who

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Speaker 1: then send him missile launchers and ship and Bob Dole

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Speaker 1: at the time was a senim majority leader. And then

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Speaker 1: how did so All that happened was that Black was

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Speaker 1: his aid and he walked in him was like, hey,

747
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Speaker 1: would you do this? And he just did it. That's

748
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Speaker 1: that's what you're paying for when you pay for Manafort,

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Speaker 1: Black and Stone. They have connections in Congress, and so

750
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Speaker 1: if you're a warlord, you give them a shipload of money,

751
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: they will make you look good. They'll advise you how

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Speaker 1: to talk in order to be acceptable to d C.

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Speaker 1: And then they'll go to their friends who were in

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Speaker 1: Congress who they helped get elected and be like, this

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Speaker 1: guy needs a shipload of guns, and we got plenty

756
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: of guns. Why don't we give him some. Man, I'm

757
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: realizing I'm super naive. I'm just like, why would they

758
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Speaker 1: do that? Meaning because they don't get because they don't care. Yeah,

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00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: just and you're like money man, and I'm like what, Um,

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Speaker 1: if you're disturbed. All of this was disturbing to people

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Speaker 1: at the time because it was goody new at this time.

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Speaker 1: UM Paul Manafort assured everyone who was disturbed that his

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Speaker 1: firm was quote loyal to the president and added, we

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Speaker 1: would never lobby against Star Wars for example. Ah, it's

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Speaker 1: such a piece of ship um. Paul Manafort also assured

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Speaker 1: everyone that Black Manafort and Stone did turn down some jobs,

767
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Speaker 1: like a possibly lucrative account with Momar Kadafi, So they

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Speaker 1: won't work with everybody. Everybody now the lobby they worked

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Speaker 1: with Hitler, No, that was Ivy. That was Ivy that

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00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: was far too young to work with Hitler. Either way,

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Speaker 1: they worked in thirty four percent. Paul Manafort would have

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Speaker 1: been loving Hitler. They worked with Ivy Lee pretty rough. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the lobbying work with Savimbi, a warlord, also meant

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Speaker 1: that Manafort and his company now had a vested interest

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Speaker 1: in keeping the war in Angola going because they keep

776
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Speaker 1: getting money as long as they keep and by the

777
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Speaker 1: into the nineteen eighties, the country seemed close to peace,

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Speaker 1: especially since the Soviets had stopped giving aid to angle

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Speaker 1: Is communist government. So the side should have been able

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Speaker 1: to work something out. USSR stopped aiding the communists and

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Speaker 1: Angle if you stopped aiding the insurgents, then they had

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Speaker 1: to workout we want to keep the war going. Well,

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00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: Paul Manafort wanted to keep the war going, and he

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Speaker 1: was able to guarantee additional shipments of weaponry, which allowed

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Speaker 1: the war to continue into the late nineteen nineties. By

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Speaker 1: the late nineties, more than two hundred people per day,

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Speaker 1: we're dying in the fighting, and it's possible that the

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Speaker 1: extension of the war that he's partly responsible for killed

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands. Holy shit, he's a real piece of shit.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I have to think that a man

791
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Speaker 1: like Paul Manafort has never enjoyed the cheesy crunch of

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Speaker 1: a nacho derrito, because I think that a guy like

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Speaker 1: Paul Manafort probably subsists entirely on fancy caviars and in

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Speaker 1: four hundred dollar cheeses. He doesn't enjoy common pleasures like

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Speaker 1: the doritos. True, there's no caviar flavored dorrito. There's not.

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Speaker 1: Because they're an honest working man snap and for some

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Speaker 1: other honest products that may or may not be angled

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Speaker 1: towards working men. But definitely support this podcast. Here are

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Speaker 1: some ads and we're back. Goodness, those were some good

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Speaker 1: products and or services. All right, let's get back into

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Speaker 1: the maniforting. So we we just talked about sort of

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Speaker 1: the lobbying work that Manafort did for Ferdinand Marcos of

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Speaker 1: the Philippines up until he got ousted by rebels, and

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Speaker 1: the work he did supporting rebels and helping to extend

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Speaker 1: a civil warrning Gola. Uh. And now we're getting into

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Speaker 1: the rest of his career. Um. Yeah. I think the

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Speaker 1: best summary of what his firm was doing at this

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Speaker 1: time was actually by his business partner, Roger Stone. He

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Speaker 1: gave it last year or h and Kin Ruden's political

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Speaker 1: Junkie podcast, so which I don't think is a gigantic podcast,

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Speaker 1: but he said, of this era, black Manafort, Stone and

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Speaker 1: Kelly lined up most of the dictators in the world

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Speaker 1: that we could find pro Western dictators. Of course, dictators

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Speaker 1: are in the eye of the beholder. You're saying dictator. No,

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Speaker 1: he's completely admitting it. And in two thousand fifteen, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that dude is a complete sociopath. Yeah, he

817
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Speaker 1: is a hundred percent soulless. It's weird too, though. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's the only sociopath I'm aware of that is aware

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Speaker 1: he's a sociopath and acts on it, like knows what

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Speaker 1: sociopathy is and how it can be advantageous in the

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Speaker 1: n Maybe isn't the sociopath He's he's actively bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I almost, I almost. I hate him less than most

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Speaker 1: of the terrible people today, just because he never seen

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Speaker 1: there seems to I don't think there's any doubt in

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Speaker 1: his head that he's making the world worse. Cares and

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Speaker 1: it's just okay, Well, you just need to be stopped somehow,

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Speaker 1: hopefully by just being ostracized politically in some glorious day

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Speaker 1: in the future, other people who pretend to be good,

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Speaker 1: I guess, or who we have to go after first,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what you do with

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Speaker 1: Roger Stone. So over the course of the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 1: Stone and Black of you know, Black Manifort and Stone

833
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Speaker 1: got even deeper into Republican Party politics. Paul Manafort, though,

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Speaker 1: did a little bit, started doing a lot less work

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Speaker 1: in the US and fell in love with working for

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Speaker 1: shady for an oligarchs. Um. He did continue to do

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Speaker 1: some work in the United States. He was the deputy

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Speaker 1: convention manager for George H. W. Bush's Republican Convention. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It was at that convention in New Orleans where Paul

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Speaker 1: Manafort and Donald Trump first met. This is in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eight Here's how Slate described the encounter. Trump was in

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Speaker 1: town and curious to see how a convention was really run.

843
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Manafort thought it'd be neat to get his picture with

844
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: the Donald. The two convened in a trailer outside of

845
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: the Louisiana super Dome during a steamy weekday for a

846
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: friendly chit chat. This friendly chit chat would eventually lead

847
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: to a decades long personal and professional relationship between the

848
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: two men. For now, Manafort was by far the political

849
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: senior of the two. He hadn't just succeeded in politics,

850
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 1: he'd helped change the game entirely. See in eighteen sixty seven,

851
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: as I said, there were sixty four registered lobbyists in

852
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: the entire United States due to the lobbying boom that

853
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: Paul helped ignite. By nineteen ninety, there were more than

854
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: ten thousand registered lobbyists in the United States. That's Paul

855
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: Maniforts doing in large part. That's yeah. So by nineteen two,

856
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: people with actual souls had started to take notice of

857
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: Paul Manafort's work. The Center for Public Integrity published a

858
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: report on foreign influence pedaling called the Torturers Lobby. They

859
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: called it this because the people Manifort and his colleagues

860
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: represented were guilty of torturing hundreds of thousands of people.

861
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: The report noted that quote. Both Kenya and Nigeria, who

862
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: were clients of Maniforts, have widely criticized human rights records.

863
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: Last year, Kenya received thirty eight million in US four

864
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: and aid and spent over one point four million on

865
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: Washington lobbyists to get it. Nigeria received eight point three

866
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: million and expended in excess of two and a half million.

867
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: Whom did both countries call upon to do their bidding

868
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: for the US government? Why? It was Black Maniforts, Stone

869
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: and Kelly. They added a Kelly at this point. Yeah. Uh.

870
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: Macaw Matua from Harvard Law Schools Human Rights Program stated

871
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: of this quote, it's morally objectionable all this influence peddling.

872
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: There's no doubt several of these countries couldn't afford these

873
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: lobbyists without the help of American taxpayers. In other words,

874
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: the aid that these dictators received subsidized their ability to

875
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: afford Paul Manafort and his fellow travelers. Wait to say

876
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: that again, So they would get eight or ten million

877
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: dollars in aid from the US and then they pay

878
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: a million or two to Paul Manifford, so he was

879
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: he was getting the US government to pay these guys

880
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: and the Ganella afford to pay him because they were

881
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: getting so much aid from the US. Right, that doesn't

882
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: seem like it should be doable, it doesn't. It seems

883
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: like the kind of thing that a sane in ethical

884
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: society would say. No. But yeah, at some point, at

885
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: the very least, we never did. Um. So yeah, I'm

886
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: gonna quote from that report the tortures lobby again. A

887
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: spokeswoman for Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly told the Center

888
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: that the firm does not quote attempt to explain away

889
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: concerns about human rights. Instead, she said, we try to

890
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: open a dialogue. So that's nice conversational tortures about torturing,

891
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: which they need more money to do more of. Well,

892
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: you've got to be civil, yeah, and heard that somewhere recently.

893
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: Civilities critical, It's the most important thing, even matter you're talking.

894
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: You couldn't call a guy like Paul Manafort like a

895
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: ship drenched ass nozzle because that's not civil. No, it

896
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: doesn't deserve to be treated that way, even though he's

897
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: enabled the deaths of hundreds of thousands. I mean, yeah,

898
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: that's crazy, this person like committed genocide. It's sort of so, yeah,

899
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: he's definitely committed world class human rights violations culpable anyway. Uh.

900
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: Spy Magazine wrote an article on all this with the

901
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: wonderful title Publicists of the Damned, which is solid titling spy. Uh.

902
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: They didn't talk to Paul Manafort, but they interviewed his

903
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: friend and colleague, John Donaldson. I think Donaldson's interview helps

904
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: explain how these fuckers justified their factory to themselves. They

905
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: didn't talk to Paul Manifort, but they interviewed his friend

906
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: and colleague, John Donaldson. I think Donaldson's interview helps explain

907
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: how these fuckers justify their fury to themselves. Quote when

908
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: a friendly Congressional aid took Donaldson aside to express his

909
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: misgivings about the black Manifort clients Kenya and Somalia, saying, John,

910
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: these guys are real bad. Donaldson responded, Yeah, I know,

911
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: but we're really trying to persuade them to clean up

912
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: their act. Yeah, well for him, good for him, and

913
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: I think things are going well in Somalia these days.

914
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: I haven't checked up on them since the early nineties,

915
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: but yeah, it seems like a country that's just straight,

916
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: straight rocket. Yeah. No, everything has been good there since

917
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: the early nineties. Definitely seems like it seems like it. Um. Yes,

918
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: So most of that article, the Spy magazine article folks

919
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: to round a different firm Van Kloburg and associates, who

920
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: are the PR dudes for Saddam Hussein. But Spy recognized

921
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: and gave credit to Paul Manifort's company first starting this

922
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: industry and dominating it. They ranked all of the influence

923
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: peddlers in terms of the amount of bloody hands and

924
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: uh Manafort black yeah number one, but on hands rating,

925
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: which is the right way to rate this industry absolutely Yeah,

926
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: wait that was it was an American PR firm that

927
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: these are all supported. This is I can't even handle it, man,

928
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: I don't. I guess I knew, I knew it was

929
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: this level of corruption, but wow, Okay, it's unspeakable. I

930
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna need more fruit leather pretty soon. Yeah,

931
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: fruit leather and Derrito's will help, will help cleanse our

932
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: moral pal Yeah. So in the early nineties, Paul Manifort

933
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: was a busy guy, as we've just gotten through talking about.

934
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: But he was not too busy to help out a

935
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: friend in need, a friend like his buddy Donald J. Trump.

936
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: Mr Trump came to Paul Manifort with a problem Peaquat

937
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: Indians had opened up a casino that was apparently taking

938
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: business away from Trump's casinos in Atlantic sit Now, it's

939
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: hard to say what exact advice Manaford gave Mr. Trump,

940
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: but Trump wound up testifying in front of the House

941
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: Native American Affairs Subcommittee, and he said, among other things,

942
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: those don't look like Indians to me. What yes? And

943
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: so his argument was he was trying to convince them

944
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: they're not Native Americans. That's at West where he started.

945
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: He was asked, what were they have been? People with

946
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: like toner on Native American face? He was crazy what

947
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: an Indian looked like in Congress and he responded, you know,

948
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: you know. He also insinuated the mob was heavily involved

949
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: with these Indian casinos, without any evidence. He claimed that

950
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: Indian gaming had been quote a total disaster for Connecticut

951
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: man the origin of the phrase a total disaster. I

952
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: feel bound by honor to read you this excerpt from

953
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: a Hartford Courant article about his testimony. When it was

954
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: finally Trump's turn, he discarded the seven page statement he

955
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: was going to read. I had a long and boring speech,

956
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: he told the panel. It was politically correct and something

957
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: that would have gotten me into no trouble whatsoever. With that,

958
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: he offered off the cup remarks about some of the

959
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: things bugging him lately, such as the mob forget the

960
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: Justice Department shrug. Organized crime is rampant, people know it,

961
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: people talk about it. Trump insisted, I wonder what j

962
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: Edgar Hoover would have said about this. Now. Neil Abercrombie,

963
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: a Democrat from Hawaii, wind up getting in the last word.

964
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: And that Hartford Corn article and his speaking on that

965
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: in nine inadvertently provides the best summary of modern politics

966
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: I've ever heard free speech reins, no matter how idiotic. Yeah,

967
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: he really nailed totally. So. Other coverage by Hartford Current

968
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: at the time revealed that by this point Trump had

969
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: been retaining the services of Black, Manifort and Stone for

970
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: years for their advice on quote, housing matters. When he

971
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: was asked why he needed mister Manifort's services, Trump laughed,

972
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if this lobbying does anything, but they've

973
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: represented me over the years and I'm very loyal because

974
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: if we know one thing about Donald Trump Trump crazy

975
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: left turn, it's weird because he he seems so maniacal

976
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: and so self important that you forget that he's really

977
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: like socially incredibly smart. Yeah, Donald Trump, Yeah, he's he's

978
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: dumb at so many things that you forget that he's

979
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: a genius in one thing, right, absolutely, which is the

980
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: most dangerous. There's nothing as dangerous as an idiot with

981
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: a trick up his sleeve. I also wonder how dumb

982
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: he is. I wonder how much of it actually is calculated,

983
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: even like tweeting of like co Fe Fey, you know

984
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: how on purpose that was? Yeah, it's it's I've just

985
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: stopped paying attention to any anything funny because like he's

986
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: we should be laughing at him now. It doesn't matter

987
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: how ridiculous the ship he does. He should anyway. This

988
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: is not the Donald Trump episode. Although did he this

989
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: subcommittee that those are those people were not Native Americans? Okay, no,

990
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: No one had to listen to Donald yet. So this

991
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: was still that beautiful period where you could just ignore him.

992
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: Did they just call him dumb and move on? They

993
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: called him dumb and racist, like the people. Yeah, they

994
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: were like, this was really racist testiment because he said

995
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: they're not they don't look like Indians. It's insanity. Um.

996
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: So during the nineteen nineties, Paul began a friendship with

997
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: another guy to an arms dealer named Abdul Rahman las Here,

998
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: who paid him like ninety grand and nineteen four to

999
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: help broker a deal with a French politician to help

1000
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: Pakistan make submarines. It didn't end well and like eleven

1001
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: people were murdered, but Paul Manafort still got paid. Um.

1002
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: According to The Atlantic, las Here was something of a

1003
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: bad influence on Paul Manafort. They quoted one of his

1004
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: friends as saying, Paul became aware of the difference between

1005
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: making three hundred thousand and five million. He discovered the

1006
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: south of France las Here would show him how to

1007
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: live that life. So Paul is now hanging out with

1008
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: like a fucking arms merchant multimillionaire if not billionaire, and

1009
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: he realizes that like his just millionaire lifestyle is small,

1010
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: not enough. Yeah, so Paul starts spending less and less

1011
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: time at the office and more time jet setting around

1012
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: with Ellis here. Uh. He also started spending money like

1013
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: he was worried it might evaporate. When his daughter Andrea

1014
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: decided she wanted a horsey, Paul Manafort bought a farm

1015
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach and filled it with pure bred Irish horses.

1016
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: He also hired a full staff to take care of them.

1017
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: In nineteen and one, his firm gets bought by another company,

1018
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: and he makes a bunch of money, and he leaves

1019
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: in in nineteen five in order to set up another

1020
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: lobbying firm of his own, more focused on overseas deals,

1021
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: so he leaves. Black Man of hort and Stone gets

1022
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: bought and he leaves after a couple of years. Um,

1023
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: but he keeps. He starts a couple of different firms,

1024
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: all doing the same thing. Yeah. Um, his life isn't

1025
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: all fun and games. His wife was injured in a

1026
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: horrible horseback riding accident in and by all accounts, he

1027
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: was very devoted to her while she healed. So that's okay,

1028
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: nice thing. Yeah. One way he seemed to deal with

1029
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: his stress was by buying houses. Often side unseane. He

1030
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: just decide I want a new house, and boom. As

1031
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp's example proves, this kind of lifestyle is not

1032
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: sustainable without regular injections of cash. Uh and since working

1033
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: with dictators wasn't always enough to make the bills, Paul

1034
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: decided to get it on a great scam opportunity with

1035
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: his arms dealer buddy las Here. Here's the Atlantic quote.

1036
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: In two thousand two, he and Manafort persuaded the bank

1037
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: to invest fifty seven million euros in a Puerto Rican

1038
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: biometrics company. According to reporting by the Portuguese newspaper Observator,

1039
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: Manafort was the lead American investor in the company. His

1040
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: involvement helped justify the bank's investment despite evidence of the

1041
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: company's faulty products and lacks accounting. Elas Here is alleged

1042
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: to have extracted bloated commissions from the deal and to

1043
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: have pocketed some of the banks loans. Manafort reportedly made

1044
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: one and a half million dollars selling his shares of

1045
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 1: the biometrics firm before the company eventually came tumbling down.

1046
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: So he's just fine fucking over everybody, damn yeah, uh

1047
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: so yeah. By two thousand and five, Paul Manapour is

1048
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: known as the guy. If you were a shady dictator

1049
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 1: or criminal looking to improve your image abroad, maybe get

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Speaker 1: in the good graces of US politicians. This led him

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Speaker 1: to Ukraine and the employee of its wealthiest citizen, a

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Speaker 1: steel billionaire named Renat Akhmatov. According to PolitiFact, Manafort advised

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Speaker 1: one of Akhmatov's companies on corporate communication strategy. But it

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Speaker 1: turned out Akhmatov was a friend of this guy, Viktor Yanukovich,

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Speaker 1: who was really in a bit of a pickle. Now,

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Speaker 1: Victor was the Prime Minister of Ukraine and a buddy

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Speaker 1: of the Putin regime. He wanted to move Ukraine closer

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Speaker 1: in the geopolitical sense to Russia, but most Ukrainians, particularly

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Speaker 1: in the western part of the country, did not want this.

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Speaker 1: They hoped to eventually become part of the EU. It

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Speaker 1: was a big issue for the country and it came

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Speaker 1: up front and center in the two thousand five election

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Speaker 1: when Victor Yunukovitch went up against Victor Yukashenko, who was

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Speaker 1: pro West. Yukashenko was horribly poisoned with dioxin during the

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Speaker 1: campaign and Yanukovich was declared the winner. People thought this

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Speaker 1: was shady and they took to the station yeah to protest.

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Speaker 1: Uh the Supreme Court ordered a revote, which is apparently

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Speaker 1: an option in some countries, and yeah, they held a

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Speaker 1: revote two weeks later. So this guy Yanukovich calls Paul

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Speaker 1: Manafort two weeks before the new vote and asked him

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Speaker 1: to help save his ailing presidential campaign, which is very

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Speaker 1: unpopular since he poisoned. That guy had to have been him.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, I mean, of course, Um, I don't

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Speaker 1: know why people don't like me. Yeah, yeah, Anyway, Manaford,

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Speaker 1: being an honest guy, told him that there wasn't much

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Speaker 1: he could do at this late hour, and Yanukovich did lose,

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Speaker 1: but he wound up hiring Manafort shortly thereafter. The two

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Speaker 1: worked together for nearly a decade. On paper, Manafort was

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Speaker 1: an advisor to Yanukovich's party. In reality, he was also

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Speaker 1: helping revamp Yanukovich himself. Here's the Washington Post quote. Manaford

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Speaker 1: and half a dozen businessmen, lawyers, and political analysts involved

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine at the time brought discipline and focus that

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Speaker 1: the Yanukovich led campaigns had lacked. He got Yanukovich to

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Speaker 1: comb his hair better to stay on message during public appearances.

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Speaker 1: He drilled them on talking points and told them what

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Speaker 1: suits to wear. He tried to control everything. A former

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00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: member of Yanukovich's party recalled how people who represented the

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00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: party would be dressed the words they said, their makeup

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Speaker 1: and style lists, every small detail, and it's it's one

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Speaker 1: of those things people at the time will say, he

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00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: just advised Yanukovich to dress like himself and Comba's hair.

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Speaker 1: Paul Manafort did because they were kind of the same size,

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00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: and Manor was like, just be more like me and

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Speaker 1: you'll win the election. Wow. Did it work? Well? Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's just getting a little bit ahead of us. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh sorry, I I know you're the one with the

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Speaker 1: yeah spoiler. Yet did totally did, but it took a while. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand five, Manaford decided he needed some side

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Speaker 1: action while he was starting up work with this Yanukovich guy,

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Speaker 1: so he went to a Russian billionaire named Oleg Deripashka

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Speaker 1: with an offer. If a Leg would put up a

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Speaker 1: shitload of money, Paul would put together a program to,

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Speaker 1: according to the AP quote, influence politics, business dealings, and

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Speaker 1: news coverage inside the United States, Europe, and former Soviet

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Speaker 1: republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin's government. So Derri Pashka

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Speaker 1: says he didn't wind up going through with this idea

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Speaker 1: and maybe it's true. In any case, that's where Paul

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Speaker 1: Manaford's head was at in two thousand five visa v.

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Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin, totally happy to pedal influence to the guy

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Speaker 1: to the west. So yeah, Paul Manafort spent the early

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Speaker 1: aughts using his American political know how to shape Victor

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Speaker 1: Yunukovich in to the kind of guy who could win

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Speaker 1: an election. Apparently Paul's a strategy was yet to make

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Speaker 1: you look and dressed exactly like him. Maniford also advised

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Speaker 1: Ynukovich's party, the Party of Regions, to focus on one

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Speaker 1: single theme every week, rather than come to grips with

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Speaker 1: the opposition over a bunch of different issues. Just always

1118
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Speaker 1: say focus on one thing that week, you know, you

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Speaker 1: don't ignore anything else, and just yeah, shout about that.

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Speaker 1: I forget because there's so much death in in these

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Speaker 1: stories that he's giving them political advice that seems to

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Speaker 1: be working. Yeah, he's advising him to act like American

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Speaker 1: politicians in a country that doesn't have a long history

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Speaker 1: of democracy, be manipulative. Yeah, and so he's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just say one thing a bunch uh yeah, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to get into a lot more about

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Speaker 1: Manifort's work in Ukraine and and how that all ended

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Speaker 1: in blood and fire and horrible death, as well as

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Paul Manafort story. But that is

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Speaker 1: going to have to come in another couple of days

1131
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Speaker 1: because this is the end of part one of our

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Speaker 1: Paul Manafort podcast, So we'll get back into it on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: You can hear the conclusion of this thrilling story. Until then,

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Speaker 1: do you want to plug some plug doubles for the people?

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, I'm at Dave to the Ross on everything.

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Speaker 1: That's da V E T O T H E R

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Speaker 1: O S S, Twitter and Instagram, and it's my website

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Speaker 1: and also listen to my podcast Suicide Buddies Suicide Buddies.

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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. You can find me on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: I write Okay, just two letters. You can find this

1141
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: podcast at at Bastard's Pod on Twitter. You can also

1142
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Speaker 1: find our website behind the Bastards dot com. Or we'll

1143
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Speaker 1: have pictures from this episode and a list of all

1144
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Speaker 1: of the many, many sources that were used. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: come check us out next Thursday and we will we

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Speaker 1: will continue to talk about what a fantastic piece of ship.

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Speaker 1: Paul Manaford is. It's a little bit of a spoiler.

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Speaker 1: He's probably the guy that we're talking about on this

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Speaker 1: show that I have the most of a personal connection

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Speaker 1: to because I reported extensively on the Ukrainian Revolution and

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01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: on their civil war back in two and fifteen. So

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Speaker 1: you can you can prepare for me to get real

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Speaker 1: angry in the next podcast. Can't wait. Yeah, it'll be exciting.

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