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Speaker 4: The worlds of Vigeonal podcast. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 5: Like if you were a head coach, I mean, I've

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Speaker 5: known it's a little early in the show here, you know, like,

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Speaker 5: what what would you say?

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Speaker 4: The first thing I do is I'd introduce myself.

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Speaker 5: Please allow myself, Yeah, to introduce Here's.

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Speaker 4: Why I think myself. I'm not talking out of school here,

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Speaker 4: but no scouting database and you know system was really antiquated.

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Speaker 4: I was asked to sit in on some meetings to

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Speaker 4: with in the past to bring this up to date.

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Speaker 4: The scouts were involved. Belichick was in in one of

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Speaker 4: the meetings and went to about three or four before

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Speaker 4: Billson wis year and I got kicked out.

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Speaker 5: So blame the drafting on Fred.

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Speaker 6: I think we maybe need a minor key version of

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Speaker 6: its on because it was pretty morose in that locker

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Speaker 7: I've done it a few times, bluggerworthy.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, but I need to know the Fred Kirsch questions,

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Speaker 5: what's your plan, what's your structure? Who do you have?

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Speaker 5: You know, what's going to be your staff?

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Speaker 4: To look inside your soul? You need a staff, but

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Speaker 5: You still need an offensive coordinator, Like someone's going to

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Speaker 5: be the offensive.

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Speaker 4: But he's the guy that calls the place.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I know, but you still need an offensive

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Speaker 4: You you need a guy to help you coordinate the offense.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome to Pagers Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 4: at Jillette Stadium, and we're still recovering, analyzing, dissecting, digesting

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Speaker 4: the departure of Girodmeo Sunday night, and now we're getting

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Speaker 4: into who's next, the searching, the search begins. Uh, and

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Speaker 4: we're gonna talk about all of that. The hot names

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Speaker 4: out there who might also be out there besides Ben

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Speaker 4: we'll talk about that. And I also want to get

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Speaker 4: into this whole Elliott Wolf thing because we have a

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Speaker 4: have a lot of fans who are wondering, you know,

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Speaker 4: with the with the bad drafts that Robert Kraft talked

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Speaker 4: about yesterday, do we need some type of restructure or

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Speaker 4: change going on there? Or like, why aren't there more

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Speaker 5: You got a movie badge.

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Speaker 4: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 5: I would just be patient with that, Yeah, because I do.

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Speaker 5: One of the things that Robert said yesterday that resonated

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Speaker 5: He was asked specifically about personnel play you know, players, coaches,

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Speaker 5: But I told you, if the players used to like me, they.

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Speaker 6: I think either way, if either one of those guys

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Speaker 4: So Sophie, bring in Johnson. The offensive coordinator isn't as

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Speaker 5: But still necessary, not not irrelevant like you no, but.

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Speaker 4: In essence, oh, in essence, the offense is Ben Johnson's.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I do wonder with Rabel. I would assume that

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Speaker 4: He had a playoff he had a Drake May in Tennessee.

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Speaker 9: You know, he's going to be on that level, right,

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Speaker 6: It would be better without better than.

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Speaker 5: To be the same style. But maybe they did that.

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Speaker 9: It was beautiful. I saw some real growth over there.

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Speaker 9: surprise me. I just I worry about that with Frabel.

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Speaker 5: Like you had your first your first question that you

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Speaker 5: But I need but yes, But I also before I,

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Speaker 5: you know, this is not something I've taken lightly. I've

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Speaker 4: Yeah. A lot of people have done unknown Yeah, a

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Speaker 7: They thought was your odds?

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Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, maybe maybe I just looked like, can you

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Speaker 5: I'm just going to do this exercise with you? We

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Speaker 5: Certain they wouldn't put him on the list, but well.

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Speaker 4: No, but he's your list. But said, there's no right

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Speaker 5: I said, I just said, I broke my own. Guy

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Speaker 4: He's done it before and maybe he's learned.

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Speaker 4: I think those were they finished yet.

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Speaker 4: No, but I was also thinking about guys who have

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Speaker 4: I was thinking of the guy the commanders. You know.

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Speaker 9: Such a disingenuous argument because the first time head coach

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Speaker 9: like he's as serious ball nowhere as we like to

437
00:20:49,353 --> 00:20:53,154
Speaker 9: call him. You know, he's in the factory all the time,

438
00:20:53,194 --> 00:21:00,754
Speaker 9: like he's not. He's I think that he instills a

439
00:21:00,793 --> 00:21:04,154
Speaker 9: lot of confidence in his players. I don't know if

440
00:21:04,194 --> 00:21:06,194
Speaker 9: he's necessarily going to get to the front of the

441
00:21:06,273 --> 00:21:08,673
Speaker 9: room and be the raw ra guy that gets the

442
00:21:08,754 --> 00:21:09,714
Speaker 9: troops going.

443
00:21:09,833 --> 00:21:11,434
Speaker 5: That's the head coach's job there.

444
00:21:11,474 --> 00:21:15,914
Speaker 9: But I think he puts players in such a position

445
00:21:15,954 --> 00:21:19,234
Speaker 9: to succeed that they have a lot of confidence that

446
00:21:19,273 --> 00:21:23,114
Speaker 9: their plans, their their you know, playbook, everything is going

447
00:21:23,194 --> 00:21:25,914
Speaker 9: to be top, top notch, and so you're going to

448
00:21:25,994 --> 00:21:26,874
Speaker 9: get good results.

449
00:21:27,914 --> 00:21:31,194
Speaker 4: Well, it's this is going to be fascinating. Where does

450
00:21:31,273 --> 00:21:34,074
Speaker 4: Rabel end up, Where does Ben Johnson end up? Who

451
00:21:34,114 --> 00:21:35,554
Speaker 4: the Patriots end up with?

452
00:21:35,714 --> 00:21:37,154
Speaker 5: And there's gonna be other guys that we're going to

453
00:21:37,194 --> 00:21:38,994
Speaker 5: find out that they're going to interview too. Yeah, but

454
00:21:39,033 --> 00:21:41,474
Speaker 5: those are the only two that we know of right now. Yeah,

455
00:21:41,513 --> 00:21:43,634
Speaker 5: but there's definitely going to be more guys that.

456
00:21:43,513 --> 00:21:45,834
Speaker 4: Are well, there has to be, but there will be anyway.

457
00:21:46,073 --> 00:21:48,194
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, there's a couple of other names that I

458
00:21:48,234 --> 00:21:51,033
Speaker 9: think will definitely be of interest. You know, Joe Brady

459
00:21:51,073 --> 00:21:55,914
Speaker 9: with Buffalo is maybe a year or two soon. France. Yeah,

460
00:21:55,954 --> 00:21:58,513
Speaker 9: he's already getting some buzz and he's one of the

461
00:21:58,553 --> 00:22:00,674
Speaker 9: best play designers on the offensive side of the ball

462
00:22:00,674 --> 00:22:02,874
Speaker 9: in the league. So another one of these offensive whiz

463
00:22:02,994 --> 00:22:05,553
Speaker 9: kids that's going to be a head coach. And I

464
00:22:05,553 --> 00:22:08,833
Speaker 9: would just throw out because Elliot Wolf's involvement currently in

465
00:22:08,833 --> 00:22:12,513
Speaker 9: this process. Adam Stenovich with Green Bay is their offensive

466
00:22:12,513 --> 00:22:16,393
Speaker 9: coordinator under the floor. He is their run game coordinator.

467
00:22:16,434 --> 00:22:19,073
Speaker 9: He's responsible for all their running schemes and all things

468
00:22:19,114 --> 00:22:25,513
Speaker 9: like that, coordinatefense. And so he's obviously got tied to

469
00:22:25,553 --> 00:22:27,633
Speaker 9: the Packers in the Green Bay Way and all that

470
00:22:27,714 --> 00:22:31,714
Speaker 9: kind of stuff. And he has been stamped sealed by

471
00:22:31,793 --> 00:22:35,833
Speaker 9: Lafloor multiple times saying that this guy is ready to

472
00:22:35,874 --> 00:22:39,673
Speaker 9: be He's the game coordinator, he's the offensive coordinator, but

473
00:22:39,754 --> 00:22:41,154
Speaker 9: he designs their entire.

474
00:22:41,033 --> 00:22:43,673
Speaker 4: Charactercause I was wondering, like if he was just run coordinator,

475
00:22:43,754 --> 00:22:48,873
Speaker 4: if bringing if A could hire him as an OC promotion.

476
00:22:48,674 --> 00:22:52,114
Speaker 9: I thought of that and unfortunately no. And I think

477
00:22:52,154 --> 00:22:54,513
Speaker 9: one thing about the league rules when it comes to that,

478
00:22:54,674 --> 00:22:58,033
Speaker 9: just quickly, if you're not the play caller, I feel

479
00:22:58,033 --> 00:23:00,674
Speaker 9: like that should be a designation on the job because

480
00:23:00,674 --> 00:23:03,074
Speaker 9: you know, you can't make the lateral movements really hard, right,

481
00:23:03,194 --> 00:23:06,154
Speaker 9: But if you're not the play caller, that's a big thing.

482
00:23:06,394 --> 00:23:09,033
Speaker 9: And so if you're going to be Adam Stenovich and

483
00:23:09,033 --> 00:23:11,433
Speaker 9: you want to get out underneath la Floor's shadow and

484
00:23:11,474 --> 00:23:14,954
Speaker 9: go call play someplace to help your resume, you should

485
00:23:14,954 --> 00:23:16,714
Speaker 9: be able to do that without having to.

486
00:23:16,634 --> 00:23:18,154
Speaker 5: Get That should be considered a promotion.

487
00:23:18,394 --> 00:23:18,834
Speaker 9: Correct.

488
00:23:19,114 --> 00:23:21,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's not to your point yesterday, like you're

489
00:23:22,033 --> 00:23:24,674
Speaker 5: an offensive coordinator in name only, right, You're not calling

490
00:23:24,714 --> 00:23:25,834
Speaker 5: the place, right?

491
00:23:26,394 --> 00:23:29,674
Speaker 6: Do you guys think that the architect based.

492
00:23:29,353 --> 00:23:31,913
Speaker 5: On neither was Lafleur. But I'm not gonna argue with

493
00:23:31,914 --> 00:23:32,593
Speaker 5: you anymore.

494
00:23:32,353 --> 00:23:34,833
Speaker 4: About he's not the architect of the offense.

495
00:23:34,754 --> 00:23:35,554
Speaker 5: Of that offense.

496
00:23:35,754 --> 00:23:41,194
Speaker 9: No, they your offense, well it's the Shanahan Tree offense.

497
00:23:41,394 --> 00:23:44,153
Speaker 4: Sure, okay, but within that ye team.

498
00:23:44,793 --> 00:23:47,914
Speaker 9: But their run the play calls, yeah, and their run

499
00:23:47,954 --> 00:23:50,793
Speaker 9: game is fantastic and apparently, according to lafort end Of

500
00:23:50,833 --> 00:23:53,353
Speaker 9: it used to play offensive line in the NFL. So

501
00:23:53,394 --> 00:23:55,593
Speaker 9: according to la Floor, it's all him. I don't know

502
00:23:55,593 --> 00:23:57,673
Speaker 9: if that's just him trying to gast him up.

503
00:23:57,674 --> 00:23:59,673
Speaker 5: What do you think of non skilled position guys as

504
00:23:59,714 --> 00:24:04,194
Speaker 5: offensive coordinators? I'm against it. I don't want TJ running

505
00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:05,434
Speaker 5: my offense. I'm sorry.

506
00:24:05,914 --> 00:24:06,033
Speaker 10: Uh.

507
00:24:06,754 --> 00:24:08,513
Speaker 6: One thing I thought was interesting from that field thing

508
00:24:08,513 --> 00:24:10,674
Speaker 6: that was the Elliott Wolf report that you know, would

509
00:24:10,674 --> 00:24:12,833
Speaker 6: be kind of open to like Wolf maybe moving around

510
00:24:12,874 --> 00:24:14,673
Speaker 6: a little bit. And I just wondered, you know, do

511
00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:17,154
Speaker 6: you think that there's a possibility that a GM might come?

512
00:24:17,234 --> 00:24:19,073
Speaker 6: And I mean, is that does that not exist?

513
00:24:19,114 --> 00:24:20,273
Speaker 5: Does that's a strong.

514
00:24:20,954 --> 00:24:23,593
Speaker 6: Like an executive vice president of player personnel can exist

515
00:24:23,833 --> 00:24:25,634
Speaker 6: with a GM above him? Like is that an easy

516
00:24:25,714 --> 00:24:26,874
Speaker 6: kind of swap in or is that?

517
00:24:27,073 --> 00:24:29,554
Speaker 4: I think anything's possible, but it's going to be it's

518
00:24:29,593 --> 00:24:32,273
Speaker 4: going to be up to the new new coach.

519
00:24:32,353 --> 00:24:33,114
Speaker 5: I agree with Fred.

520
00:24:33,273 --> 00:24:35,033
Speaker 6: That's why I thought the Phil report was that was

521
00:24:35,033 --> 00:24:37,114
Speaker 6: the biggest question we had coming out of Roberts press

522
00:24:37,114 --> 00:24:40,674
Speaker 6: conference yesterday, and then immediately to come out and be like, no, no,

523
00:24:40,714 --> 00:24:42,313
Speaker 6: it's you know, it's going to be the head coach is

524
00:24:42,313 --> 00:24:44,593
Speaker 6: going to have a big input into how the front

525
00:24:44,593 --> 00:24:46,913
Speaker 6: office is structured. I think that, you know, calm some

526
00:24:46,954 --> 00:24:48,714
Speaker 6: of the masses that were up in arms a little

527
00:24:48,754 --> 00:24:49,474
Speaker 6: bit about Yeah.

528
00:24:49,513 --> 00:24:51,914
Speaker 4: I mean we've always had that discussion, not just us,

529
00:24:51,914 --> 00:24:54,913
Speaker 4: but everybody, like should it be the GM hiring the

530
00:24:54,954 --> 00:24:57,994
Speaker 4: coach or the coach having to say over the GM,

531
00:24:58,234 --> 00:25:01,873
Speaker 4: you know, like who's more important? I think most of

532
00:25:01,914 --> 00:25:04,794
Speaker 4: the time it comes down to the coach, Like very

533
00:25:04,874 --> 00:25:09,273
Speaker 4: rarely you have a GM who is so strong that,

534
00:25:09,874 --> 00:25:12,234
Speaker 4: like you would say, we got to have this GM

535
00:25:12,313 --> 00:25:13,633
Speaker 4: no matter who our coach is.

536
00:25:14,114 --> 00:25:17,073
Speaker 5: I think that And it's funny like that, Yeah, because

537
00:25:17,073 --> 00:25:19,354
Speaker 5: there's no way to doing it Around the league, there's

538
00:25:19,434 --> 00:25:22,113
Speaker 5: different structures. I mean, there's been a lot the last

539
00:25:22,154 --> 00:25:25,273
Speaker 5: twenty four hours about Trent Balke and how somehow he

540
00:25:25,313 --> 00:25:28,433
Speaker 5: keeps surviving. Yeah, you know, the coaches keep going. This

541
00:25:28,513 --> 00:25:31,474
Speaker 5: is two different places now San Francisco in Jacksonville. Yeah,

542
00:25:31,553 --> 00:25:33,673
Speaker 5: the coaches go and he finds a way to stay.

543
00:25:33,994 --> 00:25:34,194
Speaker 4: Yeah.

544
00:25:34,273 --> 00:25:35,394
Speaker 5: I think that's kind of rare.

545
00:25:35,634 --> 00:25:38,394
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just wonder, and I don't think that Ben

546
00:25:38,474 --> 00:25:40,994
Speaker 9: Johnson would fit this category. But if it is frable,

547
00:25:41,714 --> 00:25:45,874
Speaker 9: do you give Rabel power over the roster and not

548
00:25:45,954 --> 00:25:48,994
Speaker 9: necessarily full personnel power, Like you're still going to have

549
00:25:49,033 --> 00:25:52,313
Speaker 9: an Elliott Wolf figure that's technically putting the board, the

550
00:25:52,394 --> 00:25:54,793
Speaker 9: draft board together and doing all the scouting and all

551
00:25:55,033 --> 00:25:57,234
Speaker 9: that kind of stuff. But you know, this is this

552
00:25:57,353 --> 00:25:59,634
Speaker 9: setup in a lot of places. You know, Kyle Shanahan,

553
00:25:59,754 --> 00:26:03,833
Speaker 9: Andy Reid, Pete Carroll was Seattle before he got you know,

554
00:26:03,914 --> 00:26:07,714
Speaker 9: fired there, Like those guys technically have control the fifty

555
00:26:07,754 --> 00:26:10,434
Speaker 9: three man roster. And maybe that's what the Patriots would

556
00:26:10,474 --> 00:26:12,754
Speaker 9: do with Rabel and give him a personnel guy to

557
00:26:12,833 --> 00:26:14,154
Speaker 9: kind of do the legwork so.

558
00:26:14,033 --> 00:26:17,154
Speaker 5: That yeah, you know, at the time of the higher

559
00:26:17,234 --> 00:26:18,833
Speaker 5: but that's how I would want to set it up.

560
00:26:18,874 --> 00:26:20,874
Speaker 4: If you don't want to give if you were the coach.

561
00:26:20,714 --> 00:26:23,474
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, if I were an organization, if I were Belichick,

562
00:26:23,553 --> 00:26:25,994
Speaker 5: like I understand, maybe you don't want the Elichick model

563
00:26:25,994 --> 00:26:31,353
Speaker 5: where there's one almighty voice like above everybody no matter what. Okay,

564
00:26:31,394 --> 00:26:33,633
Speaker 5: you don't want to have one guy with all the power.

565
00:26:34,874 --> 00:26:38,033
Speaker 5: That's the way to me to split the baby, you know,

566
00:26:38,073 --> 00:26:40,314
Speaker 5: as you guys do when you're making your picks every

567
00:26:40,434 --> 00:26:43,433
Speaker 5: every Thursday. Like, have a guy who's in charge of

568
00:26:43,474 --> 00:26:46,234
Speaker 5: the draft and he's he's running the draft and he's

569
00:26:46,793 --> 00:26:50,674
Speaker 5: you know, negotiating with free agents and whatnot. He's acquiring

570
00:26:50,674 --> 00:26:53,354
Speaker 5: the talent. But you got to let your coach coach

571
00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:55,313
Speaker 5: the players, and you got to let your coach decide

572
00:26:55,353 --> 00:26:56,433
Speaker 5: who's on the team and who's not.

573
00:26:56,714 --> 00:26:58,433
Speaker 4: And I think I think there has to be somebody

574
00:26:58,434 --> 00:27:01,153
Speaker 4: that has final say, but I think almost kind of

575
00:27:02,073 --> 00:27:05,194
Speaker 4: it was better back in the day here when Pioli

576
00:27:05,313 --> 00:27:09,873
Speaker 4: was here, because Pioli was a strong voice, and obviously

577
00:27:09,954 --> 00:27:12,833
Speaker 4: Bill had final say, but I think there were times

578
00:27:12,833 --> 00:27:16,714
Speaker 4: where Pioli would emphatically make his case and be able

579
00:27:16,754 --> 00:27:20,273
Speaker 4: to sway Bill, and like they said, sometimes we just

580
00:27:20,353 --> 00:27:23,273
Speaker 4: decided we're going to table this and move on because

581
00:27:23,273 --> 00:27:26,754
Speaker 4: Pioli just wouldn't give in. And so I think it's important,

582
00:27:27,154 --> 00:27:29,633
Speaker 4: whoever the head coach is, to have a guy in

583
00:27:29,714 --> 00:27:33,634
Speaker 4: personnel that he trusts, whose opinion he values, so they

584
00:27:33,634 --> 00:27:34,793
Speaker 4: can have these arguments.

585
00:27:34,833 --> 00:27:38,393
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is why I think it's important that what

586
00:27:38,513 --> 00:27:41,073
Speaker 5: Robert said yesterday I think is important. I hope, and

587
00:27:41,194 --> 00:27:43,474
Speaker 5: that I hope that is the plan. You know what

588
00:27:43,553 --> 00:27:47,073
Speaker 5: the head coach wants. Yeah, he will have input on

589
00:27:47,073 --> 00:27:49,314
Speaker 5: on that. Yeah, that's you know, that's the best.

590
00:27:49,154 --> 00:27:52,353
Speaker 4: Way to do it. These guys, believe me, in every

591
00:27:52,394 --> 00:27:57,154
Speaker 4: team they have arguments, not down drag out arguments. But

592
00:27:57,434 --> 00:28:01,914
Speaker 4: as long as everybody's respectful, they value each other's opinion

593
00:28:02,234 --> 00:28:05,114
Speaker 4: and there's trust, you can have those arguments and then

594
00:28:05,194 --> 00:28:05,474
Speaker 4: move on.

595
00:28:05,754 --> 00:28:05,954
Speaker 7: Yeah.

596
00:28:06,273 --> 00:28:09,353
Speaker 6: You know, it's like Lincoln's cabinet, you know, team of rivals.

597
00:28:09,353 --> 00:28:11,313
Speaker 6: He hired a lot of people that went ran against him.

598
00:28:11,313 --> 00:28:14,074
Speaker 6: He wanted people with opposing viewpoints to you know, make sure.

599
00:28:14,114 --> 00:28:16,914
Speaker 6: I mean that's something we obviously now that you god,

600
00:28:17,394 --> 00:28:19,353
Speaker 6: I know, sorry, I'm reading a civil war book right now.

601
00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:22,873
Speaker 9: He's really big into like eighteen hundred.

602
00:28:23,073 --> 00:28:26,833
Speaker 5: I went to university, guy, can you just lower the

603
00:28:26,833 --> 00:28:27,714
Speaker 5: intellect a little bit?

604
00:28:27,714 --> 00:28:29,194
Speaker 6: Sorry, I couldn't help. I couldn't help, but it but

605
00:28:29,194 --> 00:28:30,553
Speaker 6: it did remind me of that, And I mean, I

606
00:28:30,553 --> 00:28:33,114
Speaker 6: think that's you know, good organizational management. You want people

607
00:28:33,154 --> 00:28:35,273
Speaker 6: with different point of view, somebody you know, who's going

608
00:28:35,273 --> 00:28:36,754
Speaker 6: to push back against you. I think it was one

609
00:28:36,793 --> 00:28:39,714
Speaker 6: of the things we talked about with Bill. And you know, when,

610
00:28:39,874 --> 00:28:42,194
Speaker 6: like you said, Fred, when Pioli, guys like Poli left,

611
00:28:42,234 --> 00:28:45,354
Speaker 6: when you know, probably even into the coaching when Scarneckia left,

612
00:28:45,354 --> 00:28:48,473
Speaker 6: and you know, there just wasn't strong personalities to come

613
00:28:48,554 --> 00:28:50,913
Speaker 6: up with ideas to push back by all this kind of.

614
00:28:50,914 --> 00:28:53,554
Speaker 5: Thing, because I do think with Poli there was there

615
00:28:53,634 --> 00:28:57,914
Speaker 5: was the ultimate amount of pushback, and I think Cassario

616
00:28:58,034 --> 00:29:00,594
Speaker 5: pushed back to not to the extent that Pioli did,

617
00:29:00,794 --> 00:29:03,834
Speaker 5: and it gradually got you know, as each guy was

618
00:29:03,874 --> 00:29:05,794
Speaker 5: in that job and left, I think there was less

619
00:29:05,834 --> 00:29:06,634
Speaker 5: and less pushback.

620
00:29:07,474 --> 00:29:09,754
Speaker 4: And you know, Belichick was asked a couple times a

621
00:29:09,754 --> 00:29:12,754
Speaker 4: few times about it, do you have enough people around

622
00:29:12,794 --> 00:29:16,354
Speaker 4: you that pushed back? And each time he would pause,

623
00:29:16,474 --> 00:29:18,994
Speaker 4: you know, I may not. I think I remember him

624
00:29:19,034 --> 00:29:20,514
Speaker 4: saying once, well, that was a.

625
00:29:20,434 --> 00:29:22,794
Speaker 6: Big part of the Halberstam book too, is I mean

626
00:29:22,874 --> 00:29:24,714
Speaker 6: he really made a point to highlight that, and early

627
00:29:24,754 --> 00:29:26,474
Speaker 6: I mean that was you know, written about one to

628
00:29:26,634 --> 00:29:29,834
Speaker 6: literary I just got two to David Howards down right,

629
00:29:29,914 --> 00:29:31,954
Speaker 6: I know, but that was that was one of my

630
00:29:32,034 --> 00:29:34,514
Speaker 6: key takeaways from that That whole book was you know,

631
00:29:34,554 --> 00:29:36,234
Speaker 6: because there's so much and I think, you know, we

632
00:29:36,234 --> 00:29:40,274
Speaker 6: can probably get into more of a discussion as Belichick

633
00:29:40,314 --> 00:29:42,794
Speaker 6: went on, if it became more of just him driving

634
00:29:42,794 --> 00:29:44,954
Speaker 6: the bus, But at least in those early years, what

635
00:29:44,994 --> 00:29:48,274
Speaker 6: they were looking to highlight were I mean, look, Charlie Romeo,

636
00:29:48,554 --> 00:29:50,954
Speaker 6: I mean, just all the experience Brad Seely. I mean,

637
00:29:51,034 --> 00:29:53,633
Speaker 6: all those guys were experienced coaches and I and I

638
00:29:53,634 --> 00:29:55,433
Speaker 6: also just it makes me think back to when we

639
00:29:55,474 --> 00:29:58,714
Speaker 6: were just talking, you know about about the Lions guy,

640
00:29:59,274 --> 00:30:02,354
Speaker 6: she's Ben Tim Johnson, that when you get these new coaches,

641
00:30:02,354 --> 00:30:05,274
Speaker 6: they're gonna put some new coaches into positions that they

642
00:30:05,354 --> 00:30:06,274
Speaker 6: might not be ready.

643
00:30:07,394 --> 00:30:09,633
Speaker 5: Like, it's not to me as easy. Do you want

644
00:30:09,954 --> 00:30:12,594
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson or do you want Mike Rabel? Right, And

645
00:30:12,674 --> 00:30:15,194
Speaker 5: it's the same thing when Bill came, just those two,

646
00:30:15,314 --> 00:30:19,154
Speaker 5: I probably would choose Ben Johnson. But if it's if

647
00:30:19,194 --> 00:30:22,234
Speaker 5: it's Mike Rabel and his pro program, right, you're gonna

648
00:30:22,234 --> 00:30:25,034
Speaker 5: get Likelick coming in in two thousand and two thousand

649
00:30:25,074 --> 00:30:27,834
Speaker 5: and one, where he's got a lot of established coaches.

650
00:30:27,594 --> 00:30:30,594
Speaker 6: Joining the staff, experienced guys, keeping guys around like you know,

651
00:30:30,634 --> 00:30:33,834
Speaker 6: Scarnecki and stuff. So it's just interesting two different paths

652
00:30:33,874 --> 00:30:35,433
Speaker 6: that they could kind of choose to go. I think

653
00:30:35,474 --> 00:30:36,393
Speaker 6: they're going to go Rabel.

654
00:30:36,434 --> 00:30:37,754
Speaker 7: That that settles.

655
00:30:37,874 --> 00:30:40,474
Speaker 5: Like just looking at my shows right now, they're showing

656
00:30:40,594 --> 00:30:43,834
Speaker 5: like a little collage of Raabel clips, I just I'm

657
00:30:43,874 --> 00:30:47,034
Speaker 5: already envisioning him just sort of going to battle with

658
00:30:47,114 --> 00:30:48,114
Speaker 5: us in the press conferences.

659
00:30:48,514 --> 00:30:50,234
Speaker 7: I can't wait.

660
00:30:50,274 --> 00:30:52,114
Speaker 5: It's going to be so like those are the first

661
00:30:52,154 --> 00:30:53,153
Speaker 5: time to get snapped out.

662
00:30:53,194 --> 00:30:54,794
Speaker 7: I mean it might even be Ben Johnson too. Like

663
00:30:54,794 --> 00:30:57,393
Speaker 7: Ben Johnson, I might have no time for any of

664
00:30:57,434 --> 00:30:57,714
Speaker 7: the like.

665
00:30:57,754 --> 00:31:00,074
Speaker 5: Could be with him too. I don't I don't think

666
00:31:00,114 --> 00:31:06,994
Speaker 5: I've ever seen Ben Johnson stop. He just gave me laugh.

667
00:31:09,834 --> 00:31:13,394
Speaker 9: There's no doubt that, you know. David Andrews was talking

668
00:31:13,394 --> 00:31:16,714
Speaker 9: at his locker yesterday and said someone asked him what

669
00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:20,114
Speaker 9: needs to change around here, and he said, we need

670
00:31:20,154 --> 00:31:23,074
Speaker 9: to reinstill the winning culture. You know that we've lost

671
00:31:23,354 --> 00:31:25,794
Speaker 9: the winning culture. And then so there's some kind of asking.

672
00:31:25,874 --> 00:31:26,994
Speaker 4: You know how you do that? You win?

673
00:31:27,194 --> 00:31:30,113
Speaker 5: Yeah, same way to get fast players.

674
00:31:30,394 --> 00:31:30,594
Speaker 4: Yeah.

675
00:31:30,594 --> 00:31:32,314
Speaker 9: But I think the important thing that he that he

676
00:31:32,354 --> 00:31:35,794
Speaker 9: did point out was that he said a lot of

677
00:31:35,834 --> 00:31:39,314
Speaker 9: the guys on the team now haven't won at a

678
00:31:39,394 --> 00:31:42,074
Speaker 9: very high level like he did, or like you know,

679
00:31:42,114 --> 00:31:44,594
Speaker 9: some of the older veterans have, so a lot of

680
00:31:44,594 --> 00:31:48,714
Speaker 9: those guys have never experienced. I know, it's not a

681
00:31:48,714 --> 00:31:51,194
Speaker 9: good thing, right, And so you know, with Rabel, I

682
00:31:51,234 --> 00:31:53,554
Speaker 9: do think you get that immediately or this is a

683
00:31:53,594 --> 00:31:57,114
Speaker 9: coach that has succeeded as a coach as a player,

684
00:31:57,314 --> 00:31:58,794
Speaker 9: and you just sort of bring up.

685
00:31:58,674 --> 00:32:01,874
Speaker 4: A good point because you know, when talking about free agency,

686
00:32:01,914 --> 00:32:04,274
Speaker 4: obviously our minds go to who will be the star

687
00:32:04,434 --> 00:32:07,153
Speaker 4: free agents, who are the impact players you can bring in?

688
00:32:07,194 --> 00:32:09,754
Speaker 4: But I think just as importantly is bringing in some

689
00:32:09,834 --> 00:32:13,354
Speaker 4: guys at a lower level, but maybe who have won, Yeah,

690
00:32:13,394 --> 00:32:15,953
Speaker 4: so they can come in there with that type of

691
00:32:16,074 --> 00:32:20,554
Speaker 4: background and you know, talk to the younger guys like, oh,

692
00:32:20,954 --> 00:32:24,113
Speaker 4: I've won. You haven't listen to what I'm telling you.

693
00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:26,354
Speaker 5: And those are hard to are hard to get, yeah,

694
00:32:26,434 --> 00:32:29,034
Speaker 5: because obviously if there's a guy with it, you know,

695
00:32:29,074 --> 00:32:31,474
Speaker 5: maybe maybe a guy who's not going to break the

696
00:32:31,514 --> 00:32:33,914
Speaker 5: bank in free agency, a lot of teams would be

697
00:32:33,954 --> 00:32:35,873
Speaker 5: interested in him and they and they're all looking for

698
00:32:35,914 --> 00:32:39,674
Speaker 5: culture guys, So what is what do you have that's

699
00:32:39,714 --> 00:32:40,914
Speaker 5: making you stand out?

700
00:32:40,954 --> 00:32:44,194
Speaker 6: Rabel to me seems like the ultimate football guy respect

701
00:32:44,234 --> 00:32:46,554
Speaker 6: like a lot of the players that played under Taylor

702
00:32:46,634 --> 00:32:48,834
Speaker 6: Luwan being one, like you. You see how he interacts

703
00:32:48,834 --> 00:32:51,034
Speaker 6: with players, and like I know Mayo played too, but

704
00:32:51,154 --> 00:32:53,834
Speaker 6: like there's something about Rabel and edge that he has

705
00:32:54,034 --> 00:32:56,154
Speaker 6: and also kind of the size he has that I

706
00:32:56,194 --> 00:32:58,554
Speaker 6: think just instantly earns the respect to those guys and

707
00:32:58,594 --> 00:33:00,034
Speaker 6: I think they all love that he's a ball buster.

708
00:33:00,154 --> 00:33:02,434
Speaker 6: They know that he can talk to talk and and

709
00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:04,113
Speaker 6: you know, have some fun with them too, and you know,

710
00:33:04,154 --> 00:33:04,914
Speaker 6: in a cutting way.

711
00:33:05,154 --> 00:33:09,074
Speaker 4: There's a a clip on YouTube, I believe, and it's

712
00:33:09,074 --> 00:33:11,954
Speaker 4: from the Titans, and it's one of their team meetings.

713
00:33:12,314 --> 00:33:16,114
Speaker 4: One of the players was was really good at impressions,

714
00:33:16,434 --> 00:33:18,554
Speaker 4: and he did an impression of Rabel. Rabel's in the

715
00:33:18,634 --> 00:33:22,194
Speaker 4: room and just busting and it was so funny. I

716
00:33:22,194 --> 00:33:26,554
Speaker 4: would advise anyone to Yeah, Rabel was cracking up too,

717
00:33:26,994 --> 00:33:30,834
Speaker 4: but he had Rabel down perfectly, and all the players

718
00:33:30,834 --> 00:33:31,834
Speaker 4: were just falling.

719
00:33:31,674 --> 00:33:34,314
Speaker 5: And he put on the pads and your total heart.

720
00:33:37,914 --> 00:33:40,754
Speaker 5: You know, I love, I love, love love.

721
00:33:40,834 --> 00:33:41,834
Speaker 4: I gotta find that again.

722
00:33:41,994 --> 00:33:43,514
Speaker 7: I want to see. We gotta find it. We can

723
00:33:43,594 --> 00:33:43,953
Speaker 7: find it.

724
00:33:43,954 --> 00:33:47,433
Speaker 4: It's it's from the Titans. You know, look up like

725
00:33:47,754 --> 00:33:52,434
Speaker 4: Titans player, you know, uh, impression of Mike Rabel. It's

726
00:33:52,514 --> 00:33:56,474
Speaker 4: hysterical and it's spot on. You know. So the players

727
00:33:56,514 --> 00:33:59,514
Speaker 4: there like they knew he was a ball buster, and

728
00:33:59,594 --> 00:34:00,514
Speaker 4: they give it and.

729
00:34:00,474 --> 00:34:02,994
Speaker 7: Take it, and you know that's how they how they operate.

730
00:34:03,034 --> 00:34:05,314
Speaker 7: And I just I think he brings you.

731
00:34:06,514 --> 00:34:06,674
Speaker 4: Yeah.

732
00:34:06,954 --> 00:34:11,154
Speaker 5: Yeah, not a lot of people got away with that him. Yeah,

733
00:34:11,474 --> 00:34:12,474
Speaker 5: he was another one.

734
00:34:12,474 --> 00:34:12,954
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it.

735
00:34:12,954 --> 00:34:14,674
Speaker 7: I wanna bring up a third book. I read the

736
00:34:14,674 --> 00:34:16,873
Speaker 7: Brusky book, and I mean Bruskey didn't like him like

737
00:34:17,034 --> 00:34:20,913
Speaker 7: Brusk talking about this one that was a real book.

738
00:34:21,034 --> 00:34:21,554
Speaker 4: Now this one.

739
00:34:21,594 --> 00:34:24,234
Speaker 5: I actually read this one, I actually, but he didn't

740
00:34:24,274 --> 00:34:24,554
Speaker 5: like verb.

741
00:34:24,754 --> 00:34:25,553
Speaker 7: They didn't really along.

742
00:34:25,594 --> 00:34:26,114
Speaker 5: They got along.

743
00:34:26,194 --> 00:34:28,834
Speaker 4: Will made fun of Bruski after he had a stroke, so.

744
00:34:28,754 --> 00:34:31,474
Speaker 5: That was the falling out. They got along tremendously well.

745
00:34:31,994 --> 00:34:35,194
Speaker 5: And then Rabel there was nothing. That's a perfect example.

746
00:34:35,234 --> 00:34:38,074
Speaker 5: There was nothing off limits. Teddy had his stroke and

747
00:34:38,194 --> 00:34:40,553
Speaker 5: Rabel used to make fun of him for having a

748
00:34:40,594 --> 00:34:47,953
Speaker 5: stroke and didn't you know careful And that caused a

749
00:34:47,994 --> 00:34:50,314
Speaker 5: big rift in their relationship for a while. I think

750
00:34:50,354 --> 00:34:52,393
Speaker 5: it's since been imagine that.

751
00:34:52,473 --> 00:34:53,634
Speaker 1: I found the video for it, but it's got a

752
00:34:53,674 --> 00:34:54,834
Speaker 1: lot of f bums and you want to play.

753
00:34:54,994 --> 00:34:57,713
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we can't do that, Okay, I mean you don't.

754
00:34:57,754 --> 00:34:58,794
Speaker 5: We can't do that everywhere.

755
00:34:59,034 --> 00:34:59,594
Speaker 4: I guess not.

756
00:35:04,314 --> 00:35:05,794
Speaker 5: I'm saving you from yourself.

757
00:35:05,873 --> 00:35:08,474
Speaker 4: Okay. I was gonna say we could tell everyone ear muffs,

758
00:35:08,514 --> 00:35:11,033
Speaker 4: and then all right, we won't. We won't do that,

759
00:35:11,074 --> 00:35:15,314
Speaker 4: but maybe we'll put the link in the newsletter for Alex.

760
00:35:15,074 --> 00:35:20,873
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, my god, you can't just find drop bombs us.

761
00:35:23,114 --> 00:35:26,073
Speaker 4: We could do, I know we can. It's really fun.

762
00:35:26,354 --> 00:35:28,433
Speaker 4: It's too bad. But if you do want to get

763
00:35:28,473 --> 00:35:31,754
Speaker 4: that newsletter, go to Patriots dot com slash pu Newsletter,

764
00:35:32,034 --> 00:35:35,354
Speaker 4: sign up for it. You'll get the link. So there

765
00:35:35,354 --> 00:35:35,554
Speaker 4: you go.

766
00:35:36,194 --> 00:35:39,234
Speaker 5: It's like, I'm gonna look at that.

767
00:35:39,433 --> 00:35:41,194
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's hystericy too.

768
00:35:42,154 --> 00:35:45,114
Speaker 4: You brought up David Andrews. Sounds like a guy who's

769
00:35:45,154 --> 00:35:46,113
Speaker 4: coming back next year.

770
00:35:46,194 --> 00:35:48,274
Speaker 9: Yeah, he said he wants to play through twenty twenty seven.

771
00:35:48,514 --> 00:35:50,634
Speaker 5: He said he's planning on coming until they take his

772
00:35:50,714 --> 00:35:51,113
Speaker 5: key card.

773
00:35:51,234 --> 00:35:54,593
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well that's that's good because he's a guy

774
00:35:54,634 --> 00:35:57,513
Speaker 4: who kind of thought about retiring, wasn't he.

775
00:35:58,514 --> 00:36:01,993
Speaker 9: The injury, Yeah, made him think about it, I think.

776
00:36:02,234 --> 00:36:03,633
Speaker 9: But we'll see.

777
00:36:03,674 --> 00:36:05,513
Speaker 6: It's pretty optimistic for a guy when he was having

778
00:36:05,514 --> 00:36:07,394
Speaker 6: the surgery, like, this is to give me a chance

779
00:36:07,473 --> 00:36:08,393
Speaker 6: to yeah back right.

780
00:36:08,473 --> 00:36:10,473
Speaker 4: So so let me ask you. You know, we're gonna

781
00:36:10,473 --> 00:36:13,354
Speaker 4: get down to the offensive rabbit hole. Offensive line rabbit

782
00:36:13,393 --> 00:36:15,634
Speaker 4: hole here we do. So let's just say David Andrews

783
00:36:15,674 --> 00:36:19,034
Speaker 4: comes back, he's healthy, he's your center. Yeah, cold strange

784
00:36:19,314 --> 00:36:23,553
Speaker 4: goes to a guard yep, and when you still under contract. Yeah,

785
00:36:23,594 --> 00:36:26,274
Speaker 4: are we now only filling too Well.

786
00:36:26,154 --> 00:36:28,114
Speaker 5: That's what your hope is, Well, that's what I'm asking.

787
00:36:28,234 --> 00:36:31,393
Speaker 9: Yeah, So you know we've had it's interesting conversation about

788
00:36:31,433 --> 00:36:33,553
Speaker 9: left guard. I mean, right you got to keep on

789
00:36:33,554 --> 00:36:35,433
Speaker 9: one who at right guard and stop messing with it

790
00:36:35,594 --> 00:36:36,594
Speaker 9: like he's a right guard.

791
00:36:37,114 --> 00:36:38,474
Speaker 7: You know you paid him at it totally.

792
00:36:38,514 --> 00:36:40,994
Speaker 9: You paid him. It's fine, You're gonna have an expensive

793
00:36:41,034 --> 00:36:43,553
Speaker 9: right guard. It is what it is. Left guard is

794
00:36:43,594 --> 00:36:47,433
Speaker 9: a position that between Laden Robinson and Cole Strange. You

795
00:36:47,433 --> 00:36:49,873
Speaker 9: should be able to fill that internally. You should not

796
00:36:50,034 --> 00:36:53,874
Speaker 9: have to spend more resources to go out and spend

797
00:36:53,873 --> 00:36:56,393
Speaker 9: more money or draft capital on a guard. You know

798
00:36:56,554 --> 00:36:58,593
Speaker 9: a lot of Trey Smith is a is a name

799
00:36:58,594 --> 00:37:00,913
Speaker 9: from the Chiefs that gets kicked around a lot because

800
00:37:00,953 --> 00:37:02,714
Speaker 9: he's gonna be one of the top free agents. I'm

801
00:37:02,714 --> 00:37:06,074
Speaker 9: not paying two guards forty million dollars combined. That's to

802
00:37:06,154 --> 00:37:10,314
Speaker 9: me crazy. So yeah, I think in theory you hope

803
00:37:10,354 --> 00:37:12,993
Speaker 9: that you're filling the tackle spots. I'm not ready to

804
00:37:12,994 --> 00:37:16,513
Speaker 9: put Kyden Wallace in any sort of starting position yet,

805
00:37:16,594 --> 00:37:19,234
Speaker 9: so I think you're you're really thinking about both tackle spots.

806
00:37:19,274 --> 00:37:19,513
Speaker 4: Okay.

807
00:37:19,913 --> 00:37:21,873
Speaker 6: I mean, I'd like an honest assessment, and I'm not

808
00:37:21,913 --> 00:37:24,113
Speaker 6: the one to do it. Is how good is David

809
00:37:24,194 --> 00:37:26,033
Speaker 6: anders falling off? Is he still at the top of

810
00:37:26,074 --> 00:37:29,074
Speaker 6: his and he's still like, you know, And because in

811
00:37:29,114 --> 00:37:31,513
Speaker 6: that regard, I'm not sure. I'm really not sure, And

812
00:37:32,114 --> 00:37:34,954
Speaker 6: I might say, let's keep Cole Strange at center and

813
00:37:35,114 --> 00:37:36,953
Speaker 6: maybe this is kind of more of a competition thing,

814
00:37:36,994 --> 00:37:39,554
Speaker 6: and maybe we get to camp and David Andrews realizes

815
00:37:40,034 --> 00:37:42,354
Speaker 6: my shoulders aren't quite there yet, or you know, I

816
00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:44,033
Speaker 6: know he was hurt this year, but some of the

817
00:37:44,074 --> 00:37:45,473
Speaker 6: film that he put up was was you.

818
00:37:45,393 --> 00:37:48,433
Speaker 5: Know, I agree with you in that he might not

819
00:37:48,514 --> 00:37:50,874
Speaker 5: physically be able to do it. I mean, it's it's easy.

820
00:37:50,953 --> 00:37:54,113
Speaker 5: Right now, he's probably feeling a little bit better, and

821
00:37:54,154 --> 00:37:56,234
Speaker 5: it's easy to just say, Okay, I'm gonna pencil him

822
00:37:56,234 --> 00:37:58,913
Speaker 5: in at center. I do think that they need to

823
00:37:58,953 --> 00:38:01,674
Speaker 5: figure out first of all, they can't go into another

824
00:38:01,674 --> 00:38:06,913
Speaker 5: season with no backup center. Okay, is Ben Brown the

825
00:38:06,953 --> 00:38:07,634
Speaker 5: backup center?

826
00:38:07,714 --> 00:38:10,393
Speaker 7: Exclusive rights free agent? I'd grab him for camp.

827
00:38:11,913 --> 00:38:13,913
Speaker 5: Do they need to do more than that? I would

828
00:38:13,953 --> 00:38:18,113
Speaker 5: say yes. So to Mike's point, it's easy to say

829
00:38:18,354 --> 00:38:21,274
Speaker 5: David Andrews is the center, col strangers the guard, but

830
00:38:21,314 --> 00:38:24,754
Speaker 5: you still need some more options because I didn't see

831
00:38:24,754 --> 00:38:26,754
Speaker 5: anything on the rookies last year to say like, oh,

832
00:38:26,794 --> 00:38:28,114
Speaker 5: we don't have to worry about it because we have

833
00:38:28,274 --> 00:38:29,034
Speaker 5: Yeah Robinson.

834
00:38:29,034 --> 00:38:31,513
Speaker 6: And it seemed like though the whole coaching staff was

835
00:38:31,514 --> 00:38:33,714
Speaker 6: talking about Cole strange is like we see him as

836
00:38:33,754 --> 00:38:34,194
Speaker 6: a center.

837
00:38:34,354 --> 00:38:35,034
Speaker 7: Like I just wonder.

838
00:38:35,194 --> 00:38:37,033
Speaker 6: I know a new coaching staff might be coming in,

839
00:38:37,114 --> 00:38:39,714
Speaker 6: but can he still play guard? Do teams, you know,

840
00:38:39,794 --> 00:38:41,433
Speaker 6: do they still think he can be that guy?

841
00:38:42,514 --> 00:38:45,194
Speaker 9: I'm with you on David Andrews. I don't. I think

842
00:38:45,194 --> 00:38:47,274
Speaker 9: you could hope that he's going to come back and

843
00:38:47,274 --> 00:38:49,473
Speaker 9: be David Andrews. But I thought that there was a

844
00:38:49,514 --> 00:38:52,354
Speaker 9: little bit of a drop off already hitting in twenty three,

845
00:38:52,834 --> 00:38:54,354
Speaker 9: and then in twenty four at the beginning of the

846
00:38:54,393 --> 00:38:56,953
Speaker 9: year there was there's that drop off, especially in past

847
00:38:56,994 --> 00:39:01,274
Speaker 9: protection still exist and then the injury happens. I don't

848
00:39:01,314 --> 00:39:04,993
Speaker 9: think that it's crazy to say, what's our contingency point?

849
00:39:05,034 --> 00:39:06,993
Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question, other than the

850
00:39:06,994 --> 00:39:09,354
Speaker 4: actual snapping of the ball, what would make a coach

851
00:39:09,433 --> 00:39:11,914
Speaker 4: say about a guard, I see him as a center.

852
00:39:12,594 --> 00:39:15,354
Speaker 9: It has to do a lot I think with you know,

853
00:39:15,433 --> 00:39:18,954
Speaker 9: the ability to block guys right over you. So at center,

854
00:39:19,034 --> 00:39:21,234
Speaker 9: you're a lot of the time you're uncovered on the

855
00:39:21,274 --> 00:39:23,594
Speaker 9: line of scrimmage, so you're not going to have somebody

856
00:39:23,634 --> 00:39:26,074
Speaker 9: that's right over you on the line, whereas at guard

857
00:39:26,114 --> 00:39:29,274
Speaker 9: you do, so those those car crashes happen quickly. If

858
00:39:29,274 --> 00:39:31,594
Speaker 9: he doesn't have the play strength to move those guys,

859
00:39:31,834 --> 00:39:33,393
Speaker 9: then it's harder to play guard than it is to

860
00:39:33,433 --> 00:39:35,314
Speaker 9: play center. Usually you can get away with being a

861
00:39:35,314 --> 00:39:38,314
Speaker 9: little bit more undersized in a thinner sense.

862
00:39:38,393 --> 00:39:40,433
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you're a guy that doesn't have the

863
00:39:40,473 --> 00:39:42,914
Speaker 4: play strength, then all of a sudden, if I'm a

864
00:39:42,953 --> 00:39:46,234
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator, I'm lining up a guy over you because

865
00:39:46,274 --> 00:39:47,194
Speaker 4: you don't have play strength.

866
00:39:47,314 --> 00:39:48,834
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that that would be the smart thing

867
00:39:48,873 --> 00:39:51,154
Speaker 9: to do, if you're like a Bill Belichick game planner, right,

868
00:39:51,194 --> 00:39:53,314
Speaker 9: you would do something like that. But a lot of

869
00:39:53,354 --> 00:39:56,594
Speaker 9: teams play fronts where they're shaded or they're playing overfronts

870
00:39:56,594 --> 00:39:59,513
Speaker 9: where they don't have somebody directly over the center, like

871
00:39:59,554 --> 00:40:01,754
Speaker 9: a nose tackle, like a Vince Wilfork, you know type

872
00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:05,234
Speaker 9: nose tackles, So that position, the nose tackle straight up

873
00:40:05,354 --> 00:40:08,154
Speaker 9: zero technique doesn't exist as much in the league as

874
00:40:08,194 --> 00:40:10,834
Speaker 9: it did ten to fifteen years ago. A lot of

875
00:40:10,873 --> 00:40:13,074
Speaker 9: teams now put guys in the gaps to try to

876
00:40:13,154 --> 00:40:16,754
Speaker 9: knife into the line of scrimmage instead. So you would

877
00:40:16,794 --> 00:40:20,194
Speaker 9: think in theory that playing center it would be easier

878
00:40:20,234 --> 00:40:22,113
Speaker 9: in terms of making up for the lack of play

879
00:40:22,114 --> 00:40:23,754
Speaker 9: strength or mass on his frame.

880
00:40:23,953 --> 00:40:26,434
Speaker 5: Would it be fair to say that the difference between

881
00:40:26,514 --> 00:40:31,114
Speaker 5: playing centering guard is smaller than the difference between playing

882
00:40:31,114 --> 00:40:33,474
Speaker 5: guard and tackle. Oh, I would say, in a difference

883
00:40:33,473 --> 00:40:35,834
Speaker 5: in what respect, like it's harder to you know, to

884
00:40:35,873 --> 00:40:37,674
Speaker 5: go from guard to tackle than it would be from

885
00:40:37,674 --> 00:40:38,354
Speaker 5: guard to center.

886
00:40:38,913 --> 00:40:41,314
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the I would say, yes, you know,

887
00:40:41,354 --> 00:40:44,114
Speaker 9: the biggest difference obviously is just the space that you're blocking.

888
00:40:44,154 --> 00:40:47,194
Speaker 9: With right I tackle, you're in a lot more space,

889
00:40:47,314 --> 00:40:49,634
Speaker 9: and there's a lot more space between you and the

890
00:40:49,714 --> 00:40:51,873
Speaker 9: in the rusher most of the time as well, so

891
00:40:51,913 --> 00:40:54,634
Speaker 9: you're kind of dancing out there, whereas at guard and

892
00:40:54,714 --> 00:40:57,634
Speaker 9: centered in the interior, those things happen really really quickly.

893
00:40:57,794 --> 00:40:59,873
Speaker 5: I would also say you're dealing with much better.

894
00:40:59,714 --> 00:41:03,033
Speaker 11: Athletes for the most outside a report, We've got a

895
00:41:03,074 --> 00:41:04,234
Speaker 11: report out there.

896
00:41:04,514 --> 00:41:07,674
Speaker 6: Byron Leftwich to interview for Patriots.

897
00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:15,114
Speaker 4: I haven't heard in a while former quarterbacks Tampa.

898
00:41:15,314 --> 00:41:18,194
Speaker 9: I don't think he's I think he's out of coaching

899
00:41:18,314 --> 00:41:21,754
Speaker 9: right now. Okay, so that one can happen right away,

900
00:41:21,754 --> 00:41:22,953
Speaker 9: which might be part of it.

901
00:41:24,433 --> 00:41:26,393
Speaker 7: Okay, moving quick.

902
00:41:26,314 --> 00:41:28,953
Speaker 4: All right? Eight five five pass five hundred. Is the

903
00:41:28,994 --> 00:41:33,314
Speaker 4: TPX Hutline podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email address.

904
00:41:33,754 --> 00:41:39,034
Speaker 4: Let's open up the phones. We'll start with Patty and Agawam.

905
00:41:39,114 --> 00:41:40,473
Speaker 4: What's up, Patty?

906
00:41:41,194 --> 00:41:46,553
Speaker 12: Take it afternoon, gentlemen. I just wanted to go over

907
00:41:46,594 --> 00:41:49,314
Speaker 12: a couple of things. I did have a rant that

908
00:41:49,354 --> 00:41:51,754
Speaker 12: I wanted to call in on the postgame show about Mayo,

909
00:41:51,873 --> 00:41:55,473
Speaker 12: but I'm not going to really touch on that other

910
00:41:55,554 --> 00:41:58,593
Speaker 12: than like I think you know, the right move was made,

911
00:41:59,314 --> 00:42:01,033
Speaker 12: and I felt like if if they brought him back,

912
00:42:01,114 --> 00:42:04,033
Speaker 12: just personally, not trying to hurt anyone's feelings personally me

913
00:42:04,034 --> 00:42:05,594
Speaker 12: as a fan, I felt like it would have been

914
00:42:05,634 --> 00:42:08,433
Speaker 12: insulted by intelligence as a fan if Craft would have

915
00:42:08,433 --> 00:42:11,113
Speaker 12: brought him back. And I was all on board after

916
00:42:11,433 --> 00:42:15,633
Speaker 12: like until the until the bye week. But I heard

917
00:42:15,674 --> 00:42:17,913
Speaker 12: Pill Perry talk yesterday because I heard you guys bring

918
00:42:17,994 --> 00:42:20,033
Speaker 12: up like if if Brable does come, is they're going

919
00:42:20,074 --> 00:42:23,794
Speaker 12: to bring his own personnel guy Elliott Wolf is plated

920
00:42:23,794 --> 00:42:25,873
Speaker 12: to be on until you know, the end the next

921
00:42:25,913 --> 00:42:29,034
Speaker 12: season when his contract runs out. But Perry said something

922
00:42:29,034 --> 00:42:32,994
Speaker 12: about possibly Brave will bring in one of his guys,

923
00:42:32,994 --> 00:42:36,114
Speaker 12: but just moving Ellie Wolf into a different role. And

924
00:42:36,154 --> 00:42:37,794
Speaker 12: I wanted to see what you guys thought about that,

925
00:42:37,913 --> 00:42:39,993
Speaker 12: and I wanted to ask you guys, you hope that

926
00:42:40,034 --> 00:42:43,473
Speaker 12: we keep guys like probably not gonna happen, but like

927
00:42:43,514 --> 00:42:47,274
Speaker 12: Brian Belichick Pellegrino, I don't want to go anywhere, and

928
00:42:48,554 --> 00:42:51,113
Speaker 12: maybe T. C. McCartney too, if they're going to clear

929
00:42:51,154 --> 00:42:53,234
Speaker 12: house as far as the coordinators go. That's all I got.

930
00:42:53,234 --> 00:42:54,274
Speaker 12: I'll take it off there, guys.

931
00:42:54,354 --> 00:42:55,394
Speaker 4: Okay, thanks Patty.

932
00:42:55,594 --> 00:42:56,033
Speaker 7: That's tough.

933
00:42:56,074 --> 00:42:58,433
Speaker 6: I mean, I also thought with the Perry report, he

934
00:42:58,514 --> 00:43:00,674
Speaker 6: hit on what we talked about yesterday was that Elliott

935
00:43:00,714 --> 00:43:02,834
Speaker 6: said we were going to implement a new scouting system,

936
00:43:02,834 --> 00:43:04,714
Speaker 6: but that they really didn't have a chance to fully

937
00:43:04,754 --> 00:43:07,913
Speaker 6: implement it till this year and this cycle, so you

938
00:43:07,953 --> 00:43:09,714
Speaker 6: didn't really see the full fruits of the labor of

939
00:43:09,754 --> 00:43:11,594
Speaker 6: you know, what they were trying to change in that regard.

940
00:43:11,674 --> 00:43:14,274
Speaker 6: So but I like that. I just like the report

941
00:43:14,274 --> 00:43:16,553
Speaker 6: that there's flexibility there. I like Elliott Wolf. I know

942
00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,073
Speaker 6: he didn't have a great first year, but I think

943
00:43:18,074 --> 00:43:20,714
Speaker 6: he's got the pedigree, he's got the experience, he's got

944
00:43:20,714 --> 00:43:23,553
Speaker 6: the understanding. I think he's respected around the league. Not

945
00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:26,354
Speaker 6: a great first year, no question, but we'll see. Well,

946
00:43:26,393 --> 00:43:28,393
Speaker 6: the new coaching staff maybe that changes a little bit,

947
00:43:28,433 --> 00:43:30,234
Speaker 6: and he's got a little bit of an interstitial year

948
00:43:30,274 --> 00:43:32,154
Speaker 6: to you know, figure out where his role is. But

949
00:43:32,554 --> 00:43:34,194
Speaker 6: I think it's a good message to send, like he

950
00:43:34,234 --> 00:43:37,513
Speaker 6: doesn't eliminate other people from coming in, being above him,

951
00:43:37,514 --> 00:43:39,914
Speaker 6: moving him around, But I like keeping him around.

952
00:43:40,194 --> 00:43:42,834
Speaker 4: Well, I think again, it's gonna be up to the

953
00:43:42,834 --> 00:43:43,514
Speaker 4: new head coach.

954
00:43:43,873 --> 00:43:45,074
Speaker 5: I want a complete change.

955
00:43:45,074 --> 00:43:47,433
Speaker 6: You think he you think he can be completely out too.

956
00:43:47,754 --> 00:43:49,314
Speaker 6: I mean, could the new coach can be like, yeah,

957
00:43:49,354 --> 00:43:50,554
Speaker 6: that's great, No he's gone.

958
00:43:51,154 --> 00:43:53,154
Speaker 5: Yeah I don't Yeah, I don't really have I mean,

959
00:43:53,594 --> 00:43:56,274
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna cherry pick every single guy because Fred

960
00:43:56,314 --> 00:43:59,193
Speaker 5: says this all the time, we don't know. I want

961
00:43:59,234 --> 00:44:02,794
Speaker 5: everybody gone. I want I want the new coach to

962
00:44:02,834 --> 00:44:06,433
Speaker 5: come in and hopefully have better options. Yeah, because I

963
00:44:06,473 --> 00:44:08,473
Speaker 5: don't think any element of the team was good last year,

964
00:44:08,994 --> 00:44:11,073
Speaker 5: So I don't really need to see anybody come back.

965
00:44:11,594 --> 00:44:13,394
Speaker 5: And that's not fair. That's a blanket statement.

966
00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:17,714
Speaker 9: It's completely unfair, unfair though, I mean, the proof is

967
00:44:17,754 --> 00:44:20,274
Speaker 9: in the pudding. I think the biggest thing, though, is

968
00:44:20,274 --> 00:44:23,754
Speaker 9: that he went into that last offseason preaching the Packer

969
00:44:23,794 --> 00:44:27,513
Speaker 9: way of draft, develop up and patients and basically tried

970
00:44:27,554 --> 00:44:29,993
Speaker 9: to execute that. But you knew that that was going

971
00:44:30,074 --> 00:44:32,714
Speaker 9: to be a multi year process. So as much as

972
00:44:32,754 --> 00:44:35,393
Speaker 9: you can sit here and say, let's clean house, you

973
00:44:35,433 --> 00:44:38,553
Speaker 9: know they didn't go out and do what everybody wanted

974
00:44:38,594 --> 00:44:40,433
Speaker 9: them to do necessarily. And I think some of that

975
00:44:40,554 --> 00:44:42,754
Speaker 9: had to do with the fact that they wanted to

976
00:44:42,873 --> 00:44:45,674
Speaker 9: draft and play those young players and try to develop

977
00:44:45,674 --> 00:44:48,274
Speaker 9: from within, just like the Packers used to do. Now

978
00:44:48,393 --> 00:44:50,114
Speaker 9: it didn't work, at least for this season.

979
00:44:50,314 --> 00:44:53,594
Speaker 4: So but but you now you start getting into the

980
00:44:53,634 --> 00:44:58,394
Speaker 4: different layers here. Okay, So the Packag way is draft

981
00:44:58,433 --> 00:45:01,953
Speaker 4: and develop, who develops the assistant coaches, who's picking the

982
00:45:01,953 --> 00:45:09,154
Speaker 4: assistant coaches? The coach because Elliott Wolf isn't, so like,

983
00:45:09,514 --> 00:45:12,473
Speaker 4: you have to work together in order to have that

984
00:45:12,514 --> 00:45:15,834
Speaker 4: pack away. Whoever's picking the assistant coaches, they have to

985
00:45:15,873 --> 00:45:17,953
Speaker 4: do it right or else it just doesn't work.

986
00:45:17,994 --> 00:45:22,354
Speaker 9: You can't develop, Yeah, both of receivers, even a guy

987
00:45:22,393 --> 00:45:24,873
Speaker 9: like Leyden Robinson, And like, I don't want to put

988
00:45:24,873 --> 00:45:27,834
Speaker 9: a ton of stock into this tape against the Bills

989
00:45:27,834 --> 00:45:30,513
Speaker 9: on Sunday, but I thought it was rough for him

990
00:45:31,234 --> 00:45:31,553
Speaker 9: in the.

991
00:45:31,514 --> 00:45:33,274
Speaker 5: Real I thought you were going to go the other

992
00:45:33,274 --> 00:45:34,393
Speaker 5: way that you were saying. I don't want to put

993
00:45:34,433 --> 00:45:36,473
Speaker 5: a lot of stocking because I know he struggled in

994
00:45:36,514 --> 00:45:38,114
Speaker 5: a lot of these games since he got back in

995
00:45:38,154 --> 00:45:38,794
Speaker 5: the starting line.

996
00:45:39,034 --> 00:45:41,754
Speaker 9: I just don't see it. I think he's got play strength,

997
00:45:41,794 --> 00:45:43,594
Speaker 9: I think he's got effort. I think he's got finished

998
00:45:44,114 --> 00:45:46,314
Speaker 9: But in terms of technique, he's got a long long

999
00:45:46,354 --> 00:45:48,913
Speaker 9: way to go before he's like a solid starter in

1000
00:45:48,953 --> 00:45:51,633
Speaker 9: the NFL. And they had That's a guy that they

1001
00:45:51,634 --> 00:45:55,234
Speaker 9: had healthy all season long to try to work with

1002
00:45:55,234 --> 00:45:58,114
Speaker 9: with Scott Peters and that staff and develop, and I

1003
00:45:58,274 --> 00:46:01,033
Speaker 9: just it's it's fundamental. So it's not necessarily that he

1004
00:46:01,034 --> 00:46:04,393
Speaker 9: doesn't have the ability physically to be a starter in

1005
00:46:04,393 --> 00:46:07,874
Speaker 9: this league. It's hand technique, it's you know, footwork, things

1006
00:46:07,913 --> 00:46:09,513
Speaker 9: like that that are just not there.

1007
00:46:09,834 --> 00:46:13,194
Speaker 5: I knew he would struggle in past protection at times.

1008
00:46:14,393 --> 00:46:18,473
Speaker 5: Talking to Steve Dazio doing his post draft work and

1009
00:46:18,714 --> 00:46:20,634
Speaker 5: when we did the you know, talking to his coaches,

1010
00:46:21,794 --> 00:46:24,953
Speaker 5: he thought he would be really close, pretty close to

1011
00:46:24,953 --> 00:46:26,633
Speaker 5: a play and play kind of guy in the run

1012
00:46:26,674 --> 00:46:30,033
Speaker 5: game though, and I haven't seen that kind of consistency now.

1013
00:46:30,074 --> 00:46:31,714
Speaker 5: I wonder if that has something to do with the

1014
00:46:31,754 --> 00:46:34,513
Speaker 5: stuff that Evan talks about all the time with you know,

1015
00:46:34,594 --> 00:46:36,674
Speaker 5: the gap scheme as opposed to the zone schemes, and

1016
00:46:36,714 --> 00:46:40,033
Speaker 5: maybe he's not as well, you know, suited for one

1017
00:46:40,034 --> 00:46:43,633
Speaker 5: over the other. And maybe the switches back and forth

1018
00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:45,593
Speaker 5: have heard him because I thought he would be sort

1019
00:46:45,634 --> 00:46:48,754
Speaker 5: of a road grading kind of guard, and I don't

1020
00:46:48,754 --> 00:46:49,834
Speaker 5: think we've seen that.

1021
00:46:49,834 --> 00:46:51,513
Speaker 6: That's one of the interesting things to me, both on

1022
00:46:51,594 --> 00:46:54,234
Speaker 6: both sides of the ball, is just new regime comes in.

1023
00:46:54,794 --> 00:46:56,473
Speaker 6: We've talked about it all season long. A lot of

1024
00:46:56,473 --> 00:46:57,913
Speaker 6: these guys on both sides of the ball, they kind

1025
00:46:57,913 --> 00:46:59,594
Speaker 6: of straddle the fence of these two different kind of

1026
00:46:59,634 --> 00:47:02,993
Speaker 6: philosophies of you know, schematically both offense and defensive side

1027
00:47:02,994 --> 00:47:03,314
Speaker 6: of the ball.

1028
00:47:03,393 --> 00:47:05,354
Speaker 7: So, you know, does a new person.

1029
00:47:05,074 --> 00:47:07,794
Speaker 6: Come in and just say, all right, all the you know,

1030
00:47:07,913 --> 00:47:10,473
Speaker 6: all the zone blockers they're gone, or you know, we

1031
00:47:10,554 --> 00:47:11,794
Speaker 6: go on the defensive side of the ball.

1032
00:47:11,794 --> 00:47:14,913
Speaker 7: Our two gappers are gone. You know, like that's just examples.

1033
00:47:14,913 --> 00:47:16,473
Speaker 6: But I just I wonder new guy come in and

1034
00:47:16,473 --> 00:47:18,394
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, we're going to see some significant changes,

1035
00:47:18,433 --> 00:47:20,594
Speaker 6: maybe that you're not expecting right now. But just because

1036
00:47:20,754 --> 00:47:22,714
Speaker 6: this guy comes in, he knows what he wants. Ben

1037
00:47:22,794 --> 00:47:25,553
Speaker 6: Johnson knows what he wants, knows these guys aren't fit

1038
00:47:25,554 --> 00:47:26,754
Speaker 6: what he wants, and he needs to move on.

1039
00:47:27,034 --> 00:47:29,393
Speaker 9: It's a great point because, especially on the offensive line,

1040
00:47:29,433 --> 00:47:32,354
Speaker 9: I thought both Kayden Wallace and Laden Robinson fit more

1041
00:47:32,354 --> 00:47:35,794
Speaker 9: of a downhill gap scheme, you know, bigger, thicker guys

1042
00:47:36,433 --> 00:47:38,873
Speaker 9: that could get downhill, and then they were trying to

1043
00:47:38,873 --> 00:47:41,274
Speaker 9: implement a zone scheme. And I remember talking to Jim

1044
00:47:41,354 --> 00:47:44,114
Speaker 9: Nagy from the Senior Bowl being like, is Leyden Robinson

1045
00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:46,354
Speaker 9: really a fit for what they're trying to do And

1046
00:47:46,393 --> 00:47:48,754
Speaker 9: he was like, you know, he can do it. And

1047
00:47:48,834 --> 00:47:50,873
Speaker 9: I was like, that's not optimistic, so.

1048
00:47:51,074 --> 00:47:52,993
Speaker 5: Like it was just that's really bad from him.

1049
00:47:53,114 --> 00:47:55,913
Speaker 9: Yeah, So it was like kind of a weird combination.

1050
00:47:56,114 --> 00:47:59,713
Speaker 9: I like, Leyden Robinson to me, feels like an old

1051
00:47:59,714 --> 00:48:03,754
Speaker 9: school Belichick guard, like kind of right, you know, smash

1052
00:48:03,794 --> 00:48:07,274
Speaker 9: mouth football. That's not zone like zone. You need athletes

1053
00:48:07,314 --> 00:48:10,553
Speaker 9: you need cold strangers, not Layden Robinson's.

1054
00:48:10,834 --> 00:48:14,634
Speaker 5: So I would just say, you know, with the draft itself,

1055
00:48:14,714 --> 00:48:16,393
Speaker 5: you know, we talked a lot about you know, it

1056
00:48:16,393 --> 00:48:19,393
Speaker 5: doesn't look great. I would still hold out hope for

1057
00:48:19,393 --> 00:48:22,434
Speaker 5: those two offensive linemen because I do think offensive linemen

1058
00:48:22,953 --> 00:48:26,513
Speaker 5: don't always hit the ground running. You know, We've seen

1059
00:48:26,554 --> 00:48:28,794
Speaker 5: a lot of guys sort of struggle. We've seen a

1060
00:48:28,794 --> 00:48:31,194
Speaker 5: lot of left tackles start on the right side because

1061
00:48:31,194 --> 00:48:33,113
Speaker 5: they're not quite ready for the left side. I've seen

1062
00:48:33,114 --> 00:48:36,513
Speaker 5: a lot of different combinations of that, and I just

1063
00:48:36,554 --> 00:48:39,393
Speaker 5: would say with those two guys, they got their feet wet.

1064
00:48:39,433 --> 00:48:42,754
Speaker 5: It wasn't great for either one of them, more so

1065
00:48:43,114 --> 00:48:45,794
Speaker 5: Robinson because Wallace was hurt for and he also had

1066
00:48:45,794 --> 00:48:50,033
Speaker 5: a significant injury, missed a lot of time. I think

1067
00:48:50,114 --> 00:48:52,473
Speaker 5: you're probably fair if you're saying, like, jeez, you know,

1068
00:48:52,554 --> 00:48:55,754
Speaker 5: Polk and Baker don't look great, that's probably fair because

1069
00:48:55,754 --> 00:48:58,114
Speaker 5: I think it's easier to make an impact at that spot.

1070
00:48:58,674 --> 00:49:01,834
Speaker 5: Sometimes the offensive line takes a little while. I wouldn't

1071
00:49:01,834 --> 00:49:02,634
Speaker 5: give up on those.

1072
00:49:02,473 --> 00:49:05,114
Speaker 4: And I would say like, once you get to the pros,

1073
00:49:06,274 --> 00:49:10,194
Speaker 4: veterans have tricks and caginess that they can make an

1074
00:49:10,234 --> 00:49:14,513
Speaker 4: offensive lineman of a rookie look bad because they just

1075
00:49:14,594 --> 00:49:17,234
Speaker 4: have things that you just need to learn from experience.

1076
00:49:17,274 --> 00:49:20,553
Speaker 5: Also, wouldn't discount the absence of David Andrews to help. Yeah,

1077
00:49:20,794 --> 00:49:23,913
Speaker 5: sort of in the middle sp communication, especially for Robinson.

1078
00:49:23,994 --> 00:49:25,593
Speaker 9: Yeah, can we go back to this bar and left

1079
00:49:25,594 --> 00:49:29,354
Speaker 9: which thing for a second. Yeah, sure, because this is uh,

1080
00:49:29,594 --> 00:49:31,913
Speaker 9: this to me like perks up my intennas a little

1081
00:49:31,913 --> 00:49:35,553
Speaker 9: bit because you can interview in person immediately if the

1082
00:49:35,754 --> 00:49:39,034
Speaker 9: person is not employed by a team. That's how Rabel

1083
00:49:39,114 --> 00:49:41,913
Speaker 9: is able to go around and start interviewing already. You

1084
00:49:42,034 --> 00:49:45,274
Speaker 9: have to check off the two interviews with Rooney rule candidates,

1085
00:49:45,953 --> 00:49:48,714
Speaker 9: minority or women candidates. You have to have two of them.

1086
00:49:48,913 --> 00:49:52,634
Speaker 9: You have to have them in person. So he was

1087
00:49:52,634 --> 00:49:55,553
Speaker 9: hanging out. I'm just connecting, doc h. If you have

1088
00:49:55,594 --> 00:49:58,473
Speaker 9: Byron Leftwich in for an in person interview, you have

1089
00:49:58,514 --> 00:50:01,274
Speaker 9: another minority a candidate in for an in person interview.

1090
00:50:01,314 --> 00:50:04,073
Speaker 9: Later this week, you talk to Ben Johnson, you talk

1091
00:50:04,154 --> 00:50:06,593
Speaker 9: to Mike Rabel. You could have Rabel as your head

1092
00:50:06,594 --> 00:50:09,794
Speaker 9: coach by next week. Yeah, you know, and I that's

1093
00:50:09,834 --> 00:50:13,234
Speaker 9: just my opinion. I'm just but when you look at

1094
00:50:13,274 --> 00:50:16,113
Speaker 9: these things, that's that always perks your ears up when

1095
00:50:16,114 --> 00:50:18,434
Speaker 9: they have a guy that hasn't been coaching in two years,

1096
00:50:18,794 --> 00:50:20,834
Speaker 9: all of a sudden he suddenly pops up with an

1097
00:50:20,953 --> 00:50:22,034
Speaker 9: head coaching interview.

1098
00:50:22,154 --> 00:50:23,433
Speaker 7: He's already on the plane right now.

1099
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, might have been here anyway, just visiting stop in. Yeah,

1100
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Speaker 4: Joe's in New Hampshire. Joe Joe good.

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00:50:37,913 --> 00:50:42,113
Speaker 10: All right. So I called in last week saying I

1102
00:50:42,154 --> 00:50:45,234
Speaker 10: didn't want Brabel, which I've I've changed my position a

1103
00:50:45,234 --> 00:50:48,314
Speaker 10: little bit. I still prefer Ben Johnson, even though he

1104
00:50:48,393 --> 00:50:49,713
Speaker 10: was mean in a middle school play.

1105
00:50:51,074 --> 00:50:54,834
Speaker 5: We got to report today that's not been confirmed.

1106
00:50:56,473 --> 00:50:58,794
Speaker 10: Even the hearing this news of left Wick coming in

1107
00:50:58,794 --> 00:51:01,674
Speaker 10: for an interview, it like an't said. It kind of

1108
00:51:01,674 --> 00:51:06,073
Speaker 10: purks up my ears as well, because maybe if Rabel's

1109
00:51:06,154 --> 00:51:08,073
Speaker 10: hired as a head coach, maybe you get left which

1110
00:51:08,194 --> 00:51:12,234
Speaker 10: is the O C, which I think has some potential there.

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00:51:13,473 --> 00:51:16,234
Speaker 10: I still would rather have an offensive guy as a

1112
00:51:16,274 --> 00:51:18,594
Speaker 10: head coach, just because I feel like the league is

1113
00:51:18,674 --> 00:51:21,713
Speaker 10: trending in offense. We have this young quarterback who should

1114
00:51:21,754 --> 00:51:25,193
Speaker 10: be really attractive to guys like Ben Johnson, Bobby Slow,

1115
00:51:25,314 --> 00:51:30,754
Speaker 10: like other offensive coordinators around the league. I just kind

1116
00:51:30,754 --> 00:51:33,474
Speaker 10: of want to get a little bit of your thoughts

1117
00:51:33,473 --> 00:51:38,554
Speaker 10: as preferring offensive or defensive head coach and the idea

1118
00:51:38,554 --> 00:51:40,674
Speaker 10: of left which may be coming in more so to

1119
00:51:40,714 --> 00:51:44,034
Speaker 10: be the offensive coordinator if Rabel's the choice, and I'll

1120
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Speaker 10: take it off there. Thanks guys.

1121
00:51:46,114 --> 00:51:47,434
Speaker 4: Thanks.

1122
00:51:47,913 --> 00:51:49,714
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I like, I get it. It's an

1123
00:51:49,714 --> 00:51:53,354
Speaker 6: offensive league and that's what's sexy and sells the tickets

1124
00:51:53,393 --> 00:51:55,274
Speaker 6: and gets people butts in seats. I think it's just

1125
00:51:55,314 --> 00:51:57,513
Speaker 6: a special situation though right now with Vrabel, where he's

1126
00:51:57,514 --> 00:52:00,234
Speaker 6: such a unique guide to this organization that doesn't come

1127
00:52:00,234 --> 00:52:02,314
Speaker 6: around very often. I mean, he's, you know, really the

1128
00:52:02,354 --> 00:52:05,234
Speaker 6: one person that came out of the dynasty that's been

1129
00:52:05,234 --> 00:52:07,194
Speaker 6: successful in the coaching ranks. I know he's not part

1130
00:52:07,194 --> 00:52:10,154
Speaker 6: of the Belichick tree, but he was a Belichick player,

1131
00:52:10,194 --> 00:52:11,714
Speaker 6: so I think that's what makes him unique to me,

1132
00:52:11,754 --> 00:52:13,794
Speaker 6: and that's what's intriguing. But I think all the points

1133
00:52:13,794 --> 00:52:15,913
Speaker 6: that we've made about then you're gonna have to have

1134
00:52:15,953 --> 00:52:17,794
Speaker 6: a good plan and a good system for your offense

1135
00:52:17,834 --> 00:52:19,473
Speaker 6: so that if you have a great year, and which

1136
00:52:19,514 --> 00:52:22,234
Speaker 6: will be great of course, the offensive coordinator gets a

1137
00:52:22,274 --> 00:52:24,354
Speaker 6: chance to leave, you've got somebody in the pipeline, which

1138
00:52:24,433 --> 00:52:26,473
Speaker 6: I mean verbel already had some experience with that, right

1139
00:52:26,554 --> 00:52:29,433
Speaker 6: with with Lafleur and Arthur Smith, so that that maybe

1140
00:52:29,473 --> 00:52:30,034
Speaker 6: is encouraging.

1141
00:52:30,074 --> 00:52:31,914
Speaker 7: But I just think rabel is unique.

1142
00:52:31,913 --> 00:52:35,074
Speaker 6: I don't think I'd be actively pursuing defensive coaches.

1143
00:52:35,674 --> 00:52:37,393
Speaker 7: But he is what he is. I think he's you know,

1144
00:52:37,674 --> 00:52:39,513
Speaker 7: he can't he can't replace He's mic.

1145
00:52:39,674 --> 00:52:43,153
Speaker 4: I mean, one of the things that Belichick did successfully

1146
00:52:43,194 --> 00:52:46,514
Speaker 4: early on was he had he set up a pipeline internally,

1147
00:52:47,274 --> 00:52:49,794
Speaker 4: you know, like there was a succession plan for almost

1148
00:52:49,834 --> 00:52:54,274
Speaker 4: every high level coaching position. Now, eventually the churn got

1149
00:52:54,314 --> 00:52:54,754
Speaker 4: too much.

1150
00:52:55,433 --> 00:52:56,234
Speaker 5: I was too fast.

1151
00:52:56,274 --> 00:52:59,714
Speaker 4: It was too fast later on, but there was always

1152
00:52:59,794 --> 00:53:00,554
Speaker 4: someone in waiting.

1153
00:53:00,674 --> 00:53:03,834
Speaker 5: Like they had guys like Dabele and McDaniels as coaching

1154
00:53:03,834 --> 00:53:08,714
Speaker 5: assistants when it started, and it wasn't until two thousand

1155
00:53:08,714 --> 00:53:11,754
Speaker 5: and five that you needed to started to tap into.

1156
00:53:11,554 --> 00:53:14,553
Speaker 4: That, right they had a chance to learn, whereas.

1157
00:53:14,034 --> 00:53:17,433
Speaker 5: Like McDaniels, Leaves and the guys that were tapped to

1158
00:53:17,433 --> 00:53:19,274
Speaker 5: replace them had been there for like a year or two,

1159
00:53:20,154 --> 00:53:21,714
Speaker 5: you know, so you really didn't have you know, like

1160
00:53:21,754 --> 00:53:24,754
Speaker 5: the Nick Kayley's of the world, you know, going back now,

1161
00:53:25,314 --> 00:53:29,873
Speaker 5: you know, those kinds of coaching assistant Eric Mangini. They

1162
00:53:30,354 --> 00:53:32,873
Speaker 5: Eric Mangini was there to replace Romeo. He had been

1163
00:53:32,913 --> 00:53:36,754
Speaker 5: around since the beginning of two thousand, so I think

1164
00:53:36,913 --> 00:53:41,274
Speaker 5: when it started to recycle faster, there was less time

1165
00:53:41,314 --> 00:53:44,194
Speaker 5: for those coaching assistants to sort of get their feet wet,

1166
00:53:44,393 --> 00:53:46,314
Speaker 5: and I think that's they weren't ready yet.

1167
00:53:46,194 --> 00:53:47,953
Speaker 6: I just thought of something a little different though. It

1168
00:53:48,034 --> 00:53:49,513
Speaker 6: was like, I mean, is it too much to hope

1169
00:53:49,554 --> 00:53:52,713
Speaker 6: that the quarterback developed so well that it really doesn't

1170
00:53:52,754 --> 00:53:54,114
Speaker 6: matter all that much. I mean it's like, are we

1171
00:53:54,154 --> 00:53:57,154
Speaker 6: all I mean much to hope? Yeah, Well, that was

1172
00:53:57,154 --> 00:53:58,953
Speaker 6: about to make the point of how lucky they were

1173
00:53:58,994 --> 00:54:01,234
Speaker 6: to have Josh McDaniels in two thousand and five. And

1174
00:54:01,354 --> 00:54:03,873
Speaker 6: you know, but at that point, do you give Josh

1175
00:54:03,953 --> 00:54:06,354
Speaker 6: McDaniel's credit for five or six or seven?

1176
00:54:06,473 --> 00:54:09,473
Speaker 5: Totally get your point, but yeah, I think it's too

1177
00:54:09,554 --> 00:54:10,314
Speaker 5: much gas for that.

1178
00:54:10,354 --> 00:54:12,873
Speaker 6: But there are quarterbacks out there like Patrick Mahomes, like

1179
00:54:12,873 --> 00:54:15,154
Speaker 6: doesn't really matter who is offensive.

1180
00:54:14,873 --> 00:54:16,873
Speaker 5: Again, but I would say, yes, it's too much gas

1181
00:54:16,953 --> 00:54:20,033
Speaker 5: for that, right, I think that I want quarterback, so

1182
00:54:20,154 --> 00:54:22,513
Speaker 5: it's more likely going to be like Sam Donald, he

1183
00:54:22,554 --> 00:54:24,513
Speaker 5: needs some help. He has the ability, but he's going

1184
00:54:24,554 --> 00:54:25,234
Speaker 5: to need some help.

1185
00:54:26,114 --> 00:54:30,354
Speaker 9: The example is obviously you know Josh Allen with the

1186
00:54:30,354 --> 00:54:32,914
Speaker 9: Bills where Dable leaves.

1187
00:54:33,034 --> 00:54:35,154
Speaker 5: And he's coordinated.

1188
00:54:35,314 --> 00:54:38,554
Speaker 9: Yes, they did strike out at first with Ken Dorsey

1189
00:54:38,634 --> 00:54:40,433
Speaker 9: and then they get Joe Brady in there. Now they're

1190
00:54:40,433 --> 00:54:43,953
Speaker 9: a wagon again. So he was mostly quarterback or o

1191
00:54:44,074 --> 00:54:46,594
Speaker 9: see proof you know didn't go great with Dorsey.

1192
00:54:47,274 --> 00:54:50,714
Speaker 5: Brady, he was still pretty good with Yes, Dorsey stunk

1193
00:54:50,754 --> 00:54:52,314
Speaker 5: and right by the way, I lost another joke.

1194
00:54:52,554 --> 00:54:55,073
Speaker 9: Yeah, but that's what you know three four years down

1195
00:54:55,114 --> 00:54:56,594
Speaker 9: the line. So I think the only thing if you

1196
00:54:56,634 --> 00:54:58,913
Speaker 9: hire Rabel to me is that when you hire the

1197
00:54:58,913 --> 00:55:02,473
Speaker 9: offensive coordinator, you can hire McDaniels. Soon's not going anywhere, right, Like,

1198
00:55:02,514 --> 00:55:04,953
Speaker 9: that's one option. But if you do want to hire

1199
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Speaker 9: somebody that's on the track to be a head coach,

1200
00:55:07,354 --> 00:55:08,953
Speaker 9: you kind of need to get a little bit of

1201
00:55:08,953 --> 00:55:11,073
Speaker 9: an assurance that he's going to be here for two

1202
00:55:11,074 --> 00:55:13,033
Speaker 9: to three years. Like I don't know if you can

1203
00:55:13,194 --> 00:55:15,953
Speaker 9: make that a handshake deal or whatever, but you don't

1204
00:55:15,994 --> 00:55:17,633
Speaker 9: want it to be every single year.

1205
00:55:17,714 --> 00:55:19,554
Speaker 5: And to your point, I like the way you think

1206
00:55:20,554 --> 00:55:24,513
Speaker 5: hopefully you know four is like okay.

1207
00:55:24,034 --> 00:55:26,154
Speaker 6: Like I said, well, if I tell you how I

1208
00:55:26,154 --> 00:55:27,593
Speaker 6: came up with it because I was thinking of like, well,

1209
00:55:27,594 --> 00:55:29,274
Speaker 6: it's pretty lucky to head, and then I started thinking,

1210
00:55:29,274 --> 00:55:30,953
Speaker 6: I'm like, if I right now say that, if I

1211
00:55:30,953 --> 00:55:33,553
Speaker 6: give Josh McDaniels too much credit right here, this one's

1212
00:55:33,554 --> 00:55:35,274
Speaker 6: gonna jump down my throat. And I was like, well no,

1213
00:55:35,354 --> 00:55:36,953
Speaker 6: but like, I mean that's you know, I mean, look,

1214
00:55:37,034 --> 00:55:39,354
Speaker 6: there's only one Trom Brady, and there's only a handful

1215
00:55:39,354 --> 00:55:42,994
Speaker 6: of quarterbacks probably in league history. They're truly offensive coordinator proof.

1216
00:55:43,034 --> 00:55:45,194
Speaker 6: But I do think that it's you know, it's it's

1217
00:55:45,194 --> 00:55:47,354
Speaker 6: not too much to hope that Drake may if he

1218
00:55:47,393 --> 00:55:48,714
Speaker 6: has a really good couple of years.

1219
00:55:48,634 --> 00:55:51,874
Speaker 5: Yes, is it wouldn't have been as good if Charlie

1220
00:55:51,873 --> 00:55:54,834
Speaker 5: Weiss left after the first Super Bowl and all yeah, yeah, yeah,

1221
00:55:54,913 --> 00:55:58,194
Speaker 5: and McDaniels took over, you know, two years removed from

1222
00:55:58,234 --> 00:56:02,514
Speaker 5: being a coaching assistant and Brady is really just becoming

1223
00:56:02,554 --> 00:56:04,873
Speaker 5: Tom Brady, right I think it wouldn't have been as

1224
00:56:04,913 --> 00:56:07,953
Speaker 5: good right away now now Brady's greatness, I think would

1225
00:56:07,953 --> 00:56:08,314
Speaker 5: have I.

1226
00:56:08,554 --> 00:56:10,914
Speaker 6: Do, I mean, I do give Josh credit for seven

1227
00:56:10,953 --> 00:56:13,114
Speaker 6: of putting that together, you know, like, I mean, we

1228
00:56:13,194 --> 00:56:17,314
Speaker 6: knew Tom was great, but he really adjusted.

1229
00:56:16,794 --> 00:56:18,954
Speaker 7: Things and came up with you know some good stuff,

1230
00:56:19,953 --> 00:56:20,554
Speaker 7: Randy Moss.

1231
00:56:20,554 --> 00:56:22,114
Speaker 5: What do you want to Brady credit for?

1232
00:56:22,114 --> 00:56:25,354
Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna take up break Paul's foods here,

1233
00:56:25,393 --> 00:56:27,834
Speaker 4: he said. Now that what we're getting ready for a

1234
00:56:27,873 --> 00:56:30,033
Speaker 4: new regime. He's gonna start eating again. Is that what

1235
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Speaker 4: you know?

1236
00:56:30,994 --> 00:56:31,794
Speaker 5: I was very longry.

1237
00:56:33,433 --> 00:56:35,073
Speaker 4: We're gonna take a break. When we come back, more

1238
00:56:35,154 --> 00:56:37,073
Speaker 4: calls and emails. Maybe we'll talk a little bit about

1239
00:56:37,114 --> 00:56:39,354
Speaker 4: shared Vision. We'll do that when we come back.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to be very brief here and say this

1261
00:57:45,194 --> 00:57:51,714
Speaker 8: whole situation is on me. I feel terrible for Jerrod

1262
00:57:52,794 --> 00:57:58,674
Speaker 8: because I put him in an untenable situation. I know

1263
00:57:58,874 --> 00:58:01,874
Speaker 8: that he has all the tools as a head coach

1264
00:58:02,634 --> 00:58:07,674
Speaker 8: to be successful in this league. He just needed more

1265
00:58:07,754 --> 00:58:14,274
Speaker 8: time before taking the job. In the end, I'm a

1266
00:58:14,314 --> 00:58:19,114
Speaker 8: fan of this team first, and now I have to

1267
00:58:19,194 --> 00:58:22,633
Speaker 8: go out and find a coach who can guess get

1268
00:58:22,714 --> 00:58:29,394
Speaker 8: us back to the playoffs and hopefully championships. We're open

1269
00:58:29,514 --> 00:58:38,114
Speaker 8: for questions.

1270
00:58:36,754 --> 00:58:40,114
Speaker 4: Robert, just when was the decision made in your mind?

1271
00:58:40,154 --> 00:58:42,834
Speaker 15: When was it that you felt you needed to let

1272
00:58:42,954 --> 00:58:43,194
Speaker 15: him go.

1273
00:58:44,634 --> 00:58:50,034
Speaker 8: This whole situation evolved, but I'd say over the last

1274
00:58:50,194 --> 00:58:56,194
Speaker 8: month I went back and forth, and I don't know.

1275
00:58:56,234 --> 00:59:00,954
Speaker 8: In my life and my business, I make certain decisions.

1276
00:59:01,034 --> 00:59:04,274
Speaker 8: I know when it's right, and it just happened, and

1277
00:59:04,474 --> 00:59:10,354
Speaker 8: it was very hard because the personal relationship I feel

1278
00:59:10,434 --> 00:59:15,634
Speaker 8: for girod and and the human being he is, and

1279
00:59:17,394 --> 00:59:20,634
Speaker 8: I felt guilty I put him in that position. But

1280
00:59:20,794 --> 00:59:21,514
Speaker 8: we're moving on.

1281
00:59:23,274 --> 00:59:23,514
Speaker 5: Current.

1282
00:59:24,194 --> 00:59:29,594
Speaker 16: Hey, Robert, what will happen with, for instance, the personnel department,

1283
00:59:29,634 --> 00:59:32,754
Speaker 16: what decisions be made with whoever the next coach is

1284
00:59:33,434 --> 00:59:37,034
Speaker 16: having the latitude to bring his own players, his own

1285
00:59:37,074 --> 00:59:38,554
Speaker 16: scouting staff, his own coaches.

1286
00:59:39,394 --> 00:59:43,434
Speaker 8: Yeah, well we'll wait till we bring that coach in.

1287
00:59:43,834 --> 00:59:50,994
Speaker 8: And he's obviously he's going to have big input on

1288
00:59:51,114 --> 00:59:54,474
Speaker 8: who the players are and who the coaches are. It

1289
00:59:54,474 --> 00:59:55,874
Speaker 8: would be his decisions.

1290
00:59:56,034 --> 01:00:00,114
Speaker 16: So at this juncture would be status quo for everybody

1291
01:00:00,194 --> 01:00:01,434
Speaker 16: on the staff until an.

1292
01:00:01,314 --> 01:00:05,474
Speaker 8: Individual subse yes, well, let look, we move fast and

1293
01:00:05,594 --> 01:00:10,994
Speaker 8: we're gonna let him make those decisions.

1294
01:00:13,114 --> 01:00:15,674
Speaker 17: Robert, I know that you don't make snap decisions. So

1295
01:00:15,754 --> 01:00:19,474
Speaker 17: I was wondering, at what point during the season did

1296
01:00:19,554 --> 01:00:21,554
Speaker 17: you say something was not right? And if you could

1297
01:00:21,554 --> 01:00:24,874
Speaker 17: expand on that, what caught your attention that something wasn't right.

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Speaker 8: Well, in the important decisions in my life, I've always

1299
01:00:31,794 --> 01:00:36,914
Speaker 8: said I measured nine times and cut once, and this

1300
01:00:37,154 --> 01:00:40,713
Speaker 8: was one of those situations. I guess The main thing

1301
01:00:40,874 --> 01:00:47,074
Speaker 8: for me is I felt we regressed the high point

1302
01:00:47,274 --> 01:00:52,314
Speaker 8: of everything for me was winning in the Cincinnati game,

1303
01:00:53,234 --> 01:00:57,994
Speaker 8: and then in mid mid season, I just think we

1304
01:00:58,154 --> 01:00:59,314
Speaker 8: started to regress.

1305
01:01:01,514 --> 01:01:08,314
Speaker 15: I don't heard, Robert, how significantly has fan reaction to

1306
01:01:08,514 --> 01:01:11,474
Speaker 15: the product on the field and too drud specifically played

1307
01:01:11,514 --> 01:01:12,314
Speaker 15: into your decision.

1308
01:01:12,794 --> 01:01:18,994
Speaker 8: Well, I'm the biggest fan, so I understand, and you

1309
01:01:19,034 --> 01:01:22,554
Speaker 8: know i've all since the day we bought this team,

1310
01:01:22,674 --> 01:01:26,073
Speaker 8: and I realized what a privilege as it was, and

1311
01:01:26,114 --> 01:01:31,594
Speaker 8: how lucky we were as a family that this is

1312
01:01:31,674 --> 01:01:36,954
Speaker 8: the only business we're involved in where I see ourselves.

1313
01:01:37,394 --> 01:01:40,114
Speaker 8: We don't own this team. It's owned by the fans

1314
01:01:40,754 --> 01:01:46,274
Speaker 8: of this region, and we're custodians of a very special

1315
01:01:46,314 --> 01:01:50,914
Speaker 8: asset of the community. And that's why that helps me

1316
01:01:51,594 --> 01:01:56,034
Speaker 8: try to make decisions that if it was just personal,

1317
01:01:56,074 --> 01:01:56,914
Speaker 8: it would be different.

1318
01:02:01,194 --> 01:02:04,274
Speaker 7: Robert, aside from yourself and Jonathan, who will be involved

1319
01:02:04,474 --> 01:02:07,154
Speaker 7: in the head coaching interviews and what traits are you

1320
01:02:07,234 --> 01:02:07,714
Speaker 7: looking for?

1321
01:02:09,394 --> 01:02:20,193
Speaker 8: Well, well, we'll have Alonso high Smith and Elliott will

1322
01:02:20,194 --> 01:02:25,474
Speaker 8: be involved and we're gonna try to understand who can

1323
01:02:25,594 --> 01:02:29,194
Speaker 8: help us best get back to the playoffs.

1324
01:02:33,074 --> 01:02:39,073
Speaker 18: Robert, Does that mean Elliott and his staff are going

1325
01:02:39,114 --> 01:02:42,874
Speaker 18: to continue on or where the coaching hire also impact

1326
01:02:43,394 --> 01:02:45,954
Speaker 18: your front office.

1327
01:02:45,634 --> 01:02:50,514
Speaker 8: We are are looking for people working together and they

1328
01:02:50,554 --> 01:02:56,314
Speaker 8: will be staying one.

1329
01:02:56,234 --> 01:02:59,314
Speaker 19: Of Robert, when you say that the situation was untenable,

1330
01:02:59,474 --> 01:03:03,834
Speaker 19: what about it specifically did you find untenable and how

1331
01:03:03,874 --> 01:03:07,034
Speaker 19: will that influence how you approach this search.

1332
01:03:12,194 --> 01:03:15,354
Speaker 8: I don't like losing. I don't like losing the way

1333
01:03:15,434 --> 01:03:25,994
Speaker 8: we lost, and I just just things were not developing

1334
01:03:26,074 --> 01:03:29,554
Speaker 8: the way we would have liked and it was time

1335
01:03:29,634 --> 01:03:30,154
Speaker 8: to move on.

1336
01:03:34,754 --> 01:03:36,754
Speaker 5: Robert, how big of a search do you plan on

1337
01:03:36,834 --> 01:03:39,234
Speaker 5: conduct How big of a coaching search do you plan

1338
01:03:39,314 --> 01:03:39,994
Speaker 5: on conducting?

1339
01:03:41,674 --> 01:03:47,874
Speaker 8: Well, we we want to interview as many people as

1340
01:03:47,914 --> 01:03:51,514
Speaker 8: we can that we think can help us get to

1341
01:03:51,594 --> 01:03:58,794
Speaker 8: that position that we want to be in, so we

1342
01:03:58,834 --> 01:04:06,034
Speaker 8: have put out and requests and Stacy will be filling

1343
01:04:06,074 --> 01:04:06,954
Speaker 8: you in on that.

1344
01:04:10,954 --> 01:04:12,794
Speaker 7: Robert, thank you for taking our questions.

1345
01:04:13,234 --> 01:04:17,834
Speaker 12: Appreciate it is Mike Vrabel at or near the top

1346
01:04:17,874 --> 01:04:18,434
Speaker 12: of your list.

1347
01:04:18,514 --> 01:04:20,474
Speaker 7: It seems to be the talk.

1348
01:04:23,234 --> 01:04:28,154
Speaker 8: We before i'd make a comment like that, I'd like,

1349
01:04:28,354 --> 01:04:35,394
Speaker 8: I don't know all the people involved, and there are

1350
01:04:35,434 --> 01:04:39,394
Speaker 8: some wonderful people that we've heard about, so I'd rather

1351
01:04:39,914 --> 01:04:44,474
Speaker 8: respond to that after I've seen everyone.

1352
01:04:45,474 --> 01:04:47,634
Speaker 20: Robert, can you speak a bit more to the timing

1353
01:04:47,714 --> 01:04:51,514
Speaker 20: of this. Did Gerard know before the game? I'm right

1354
01:04:51,514 --> 01:04:51,834
Speaker 20: over here.

1355
01:04:51,954 --> 01:04:53,194
Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, thank you.

1356
01:04:53,634 --> 01:04:55,194
Speaker 20: I was wondering if you could speak a bit more

1357
01:04:55,234 --> 01:04:57,954
Speaker 20: to the timing of this. Did Gerard know before the

1358
01:04:58,074 --> 01:05:00,914
Speaker 20: game that this would be his last game coaching?

1359
01:05:02,034 --> 01:05:09,434
Speaker 8: No, I know this was.

1360
01:05:09,434 --> 01:05:13,314
Speaker 7: Very difficult for you. Sit down with him. How did

1361
01:05:13,354 --> 01:05:15,634
Speaker 7: he take it? How did he respond? Was he shocked

1362
01:05:16,234 --> 01:05:16,874
Speaker 7: by the news?

1363
01:05:18,434 --> 01:05:23,954
Speaker 8: He was a man. Look, it was one of the

1364
01:05:23,994 --> 01:05:28,594
Speaker 8: more difficult things I've had a do in my life

1365
01:05:28,674 --> 01:05:34,074
Speaker 8: because I had such affection for him and I believe

1366
01:05:34,154 --> 01:05:41,073
Speaker 8: in him, and I really do believe he will go

1367
01:05:41,194 --> 01:05:45,274
Speaker 8: on and as he gets more experience, it will be successful.

1368
01:05:50,954 --> 01:05:55,034
Speaker 8: It was not easy. He was a gentleman and accepted

1369
01:05:55,114 --> 01:05:57,594
Speaker 8: it that way.

1370
01:06:00,714 --> 01:06:05,674
Speaker 21: Robert, this is going to be very expensive buying out

1371
01:06:05,674 --> 01:06:08,314
Speaker 21: a coaching staff, bringing in on new coaching staff. Perhaps

1372
01:06:08,314 --> 01:06:10,714
Speaker 21: it goes to the personnel department. You also have one

1373
01:06:10,794 --> 01:06:13,434
Speaker 21: hundred and twenty million dollars in cap space this year,

1374
01:06:13,514 --> 01:06:16,394
Speaker 21: the most in the league. Well, what you spend on

1375
01:06:16,474 --> 01:06:21,074
Speaker 21: this transition effect anything that you spend on players this offseason?

1376
01:06:22,194 --> 01:06:23,114
Speaker 8: Yeah, i'd.

1377
01:06:25,234 --> 01:06:25,714
Speaker 4: Sure is.

1378
01:06:26,154 --> 01:06:32,114
Speaker 8: No, we will. We've always had a situation where we

1379
01:06:32,274 --> 01:06:35,074
Speaker 8: spend to the cap and if we go over the

1380
01:06:35,354 --> 01:06:40,154
Speaker 8: We have never told any coach or limited the spending.

1381
01:06:40,514 --> 01:06:44,154
Speaker 8: The only thing we've said is if you exceed the cap,

1382
01:06:44,634 --> 01:06:47,554
Speaker 8: we like to see it leveled out over three years

1383
01:06:48,314 --> 01:06:52,874
Speaker 8: and you know so that we never get way out

1384
01:06:52,874 --> 01:06:57,234
Speaker 8: of hand. But spending to the cap or above the

1385
01:06:57,274 --> 01:07:01,954
Speaker 8: cap is not. We want to win. That's our priority. First.

1386
01:07:04,714 --> 01:07:08,514
Speaker 11: Hi, Robert, back here, how are you. You guys were

1387
01:07:08,554 --> 01:07:10,954
Speaker 11: told this was a multi year rebuild, that it wasn't

1388
01:07:10,994 --> 01:07:13,194
Speaker 11: going to turn around in one year. You said, you

1389
01:07:13,274 --> 01:07:15,714
Speaker 11: believe in Gerard, you think he'll be better with more experience,

1390
01:07:15,794 --> 01:07:19,674
Speaker 11: so why not let him get that experience here? Knowing

1391
01:07:19,834 --> 01:07:22,594
Speaker 11: going in this was a multi year process.

1392
01:07:25,674 --> 01:07:29,354
Speaker 8: Yeah, from my point of view, I just thought we

1393
01:07:29,354 --> 01:07:34,394
Speaker 8: were We had a rough year last year, not twenty

1394
01:07:34,434 --> 01:07:39,874
Speaker 8: four twenty three, and going through two years like that,

1395
01:07:41,354 --> 01:07:44,994
Speaker 8: and then seeing where we were this year and especially

1396
01:07:45,034 --> 01:07:49,314
Speaker 8: the second half of the year just told me, just

1397
01:07:50,194 --> 01:07:52,994
Speaker 8: made me feel we weren't going in the direction, in

1398
01:07:53,034 --> 01:07:57,594
Speaker 8: the right direction, and I can't. I don't want to

1399
01:07:57,634 --> 01:08:00,114
Speaker 8: go through this next year, and we're going to do

1400
01:08:00,154 --> 01:08:01,674
Speaker 8: what we got to do to fix.

1401
01:08:01,474 --> 01:08:02,674
Speaker 4: It, which.

1402
01:08:05,754 --> 01:08:07,914
Speaker 5: And now great moments in.

1403
01:08:10,114 --> 01:08:13,514
Speaker 4: History, the feeling that we had when Tom left. First,

1404
01:08:13,954 --> 01:08:16,874
Speaker 4: the feeling that we have versus.

1405
01:08:16,594 --> 01:08:19,234
Speaker 5: Is a versus versus you're a kid?

1406
01:08:19,314 --> 01:08:23,474
Speaker 4: Yes, verse? Yeah? And what versus the feeling we have

1407
01:08:23,994 --> 01:08:25,113
Speaker 4: now with Billy.

1408
01:08:25,834 --> 01:08:26,034
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1409
01:08:26,114 --> 01:08:29,434
Speaker 4: And I would say with Tom leaving, we were much

1410
01:08:29,514 --> 01:08:32,754
Speaker 4: more sensitive about did he say goodbye? Does he say

1411
01:08:32,754 --> 01:08:36,634
Speaker 4: he loves us? And with Bill not so much of that.

1412
01:08:37,074 --> 01:08:39,234
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I would say, I mean because he

1413
01:08:39,274 --> 01:08:40,233
Speaker 6: never gave us that anyway.

1414
01:08:40,354 --> 01:08:41,914
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's a great.

1415
01:08:41,754 --> 01:08:43,554
Speaker 5: Did get choked up when he talked about the fans?

1416
01:08:43,554 --> 01:08:45,754
Speaker 4: So I know he did, But I'm just talking about fans,

1417
01:08:45,794 --> 01:08:48,754
Speaker 4: like like, oh, is he gonna is he gonna say

1418
01:08:48,754 --> 01:08:50,034
Speaker 4: goodbye to us? Is he gonna do this?

1419
01:08:50,154 --> 01:08:53,274
Speaker 5: But that's my point is Bill did do that. That's

1420
01:08:53,314 --> 01:08:54,554
Speaker 5: the part that he got emotional.

1421
01:08:54,834 --> 01:08:55,634
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

1422
01:08:55,674 --> 01:08:57,794
Speaker 6: I feel a lot different about this one, Like like

1423
01:08:57,874 --> 01:08:59,954
Speaker 6: I'm kind of like Evan was, Like, just the sight

1424
01:09:00,034 --> 01:09:02,234
Speaker 6: of Brady in the Tampa uniform, it's just right.

1425
01:09:02,594 --> 01:09:04,634
Speaker 4: Will you have the main feeling if you see Bill?

1426
01:09:04,714 --> 01:09:06,914
Speaker 4: Think I will? I don't think. I don't think so either.

1427
01:09:07,114 --> 01:09:09,674
Speaker 5: So what was worse for you? Seeing Brady in the

1428
01:09:09,714 --> 01:09:13,154
Speaker 5: Tampa all right? Or seeing him in the Patriots.

1429
01:09:14,074 --> 01:09:23,274
Speaker 4: Which hates him anyway, You good, fall, Peter Brady distracted. Yeah,

1430
01:09:23,674 --> 01:09:29,674
Speaker 4: you walked on your own jokes. That's another great moment. Hey,

1431
01:09:29,674 --> 01:09:31,394
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1432
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1435
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1438
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Speaker 4: New England Patriots.

1439
01:09:59,034 --> 01:10:02,034
Speaker 6: That's almost enough pillows for my wife. She loves those

1440
01:10:02,634 --> 01:10:03,554
Speaker 6: decoration pillows.

1441
01:10:03,594 --> 01:10:06,834
Speaker 4: Yeah, those pillows are ridiculous, especially when they're on a bed.

1442
01:10:07,154 --> 01:10:09,394
Speaker 4: You make the bed, you gotta put the pillows get

1443
01:10:09,394 --> 01:10:11,834
Speaker 4: in the bed.

1444
01:10:11,954 --> 01:10:13,594
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not a big fan of It's.

1445
01:10:13,474 --> 01:10:15,394
Speaker 4: Like, are we doing tours of the house, Like, why

1446
01:10:15,514 --> 01:10:16,314
Speaker 4: is this important?

1447
01:10:17,194 --> 01:10:18,714
Speaker 7: It's just just a show pillow person.

1448
01:10:18,834 --> 01:10:22,274
Speaker 9: No, she's a blanket person, Like we have blankets, like,

1449
01:10:22,474 --> 01:10:25,234
Speaker 9: you know, just does she get cold? Yeah, she's walked

1450
01:10:25,394 --> 01:10:28,234
Speaker 9: around with a blanket all the time, all the time.

1451
01:10:28,874 --> 01:10:29,794
Speaker 4: Let her put the heat up.

1452
01:10:30,514 --> 01:10:32,514
Speaker 9: No, it's not. I don't I she can do whatever

1453
01:10:32,554 --> 01:10:36,234
Speaker 9: she wants, but for whatever reason. You know, when I

1454
01:10:36,234 --> 01:10:38,314
Speaker 9: first met her, I that was like my one of

1455
01:10:38,314 --> 01:10:41,234
Speaker 9: my first impressions of like some of her things. You

1456
01:10:41,274 --> 01:10:42,594
Speaker 9: know that I was gonna have to get used to.

1457
01:10:42,634 --> 01:10:45,034
Speaker 9: It is like you're just gonna have blankets all over

1458
01:10:45,074 --> 01:10:46,034
Speaker 9: the house all the time.

1459
01:10:47,114 --> 01:10:50,114
Speaker 5: The kids would complain, well, actually, TJ Will was fine.

1460
01:10:50,274 --> 01:10:51,194
Speaker 4: Too cold?

1461
01:10:50,754 --> 01:10:55,354
Speaker 5: Too cold? Could we put the heat? Layer it up?

1462
01:10:56,234 --> 01:10:59,754
Speaker 7: Give it doesn't spend their heat until December one, and it's.

1463
01:11:00,394 --> 01:11:02,514
Speaker 5: Been tough times in the Prolo house. Layer it up.

1464
01:11:04,754 --> 01:11:07,554
Speaker 9: Should we share the little bit of news that we have.

1465
01:11:08,954 --> 01:11:13,194
Speaker 9: So Tom Pelisaro has the Patriots interviewing Pep Hamilton and

1466
01:11:13,234 --> 01:11:17,434
Speaker 9: Byron Leftwich today in person. So they if that is true,

1467
01:11:17,554 --> 01:11:19,834
Speaker 9: I have no reason to believe it's not. They have

1468
01:11:19,954 --> 01:11:22,674
Speaker 9: now fulfilled the Rooney rule and so they've checked that

1469
01:11:22,794 --> 01:11:25,354
Speaker 9: box off and could move forward.

1470
01:11:25,034 --> 01:11:26,874
Speaker 5: With all right, I believe we could have a head

1471
01:11:26,914 --> 01:11:28,994
Speaker 5: coach by the end of this week. They alone next week.

1472
01:11:29,114 --> 01:11:30,434
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, could happen.

1473
01:11:30,874 --> 01:11:32,914
Speaker 9: All right, I'm going to play linebacker here.

1474
01:11:33,034 --> 01:11:37,274
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just want to mention Bill Belichick's conference comments

1475
01:11:37,354 --> 01:11:40,754
Speaker 4: yesterday about the shared vision. I guess he was.

1476
01:11:40,794 --> 01:11:43,594
Speaker 5: He had it. Freddy had a shared vision with the

1477
01:11:43,674 --> 01:11:46,314
Speaker 5: organization until for the last four years.

1478
01:11:46,394 --> 01:11:49,114
Speaker 4: Last four years. I somebody sent that to me. I said,

1479
01:11:49,154 --> 01:11:51,154
Speaker 4: just substitute shared vision with Tom Brady.

1480
01:11:51,194 --> 01:11:54,074
Speaker 5: What do you think changed in the last four years?

1481
01:11:54,154 --> 01:11:55,834
Speaker 7: I think was it me getting here? That's that it?

1482
01:11:56,194 --> 01:11:58,554
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you did you push him out?

1483
01:11:58,714 --> 01:11:59,073
Speaker 7: Maybe?

1484
01:11:59,114 --> 01:12:01,994
Speaker 5: So you had a shared vision in nineteen right, but

1485
01:12:02,114 --> 01:12:02,914
Speaker 5: not twenty.

1486
01:12:03,074 --> 01:12:05,434
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's easy to have a shared vision when everything's

1487
01:12:05,714 --> 01:12:07,314
Speaker 4: you're winning and all that stuff.

1488
01:12:07,314 --> 01:12:08,914
Speaker 5: But so disingenuous.

1489
01:12:09,114 --> 01:12:10,874
Speaker 6: I'd love to hear his side of the story. I mean,

1490
01:12:10,874 --> 01:12:13,114
Speaker 6: I know that we talk about it all the time, of.

1491
01:12:13,074 --> 01:12:15,154
Speaker 5: I'd love to hear the truth. Oh well, I don't

1492
01:12:15,154 --> 01:12:17,394
Speaker 5: have any real interest in his side of the story.

1493
01:12:17,954 --> 01:12:20,354
Speaker 6: But but but for somebody who so much went wrong,

1494
01:12:20,634 --> 01:12:23,114
Speaker 6: like and how much, how could he explain it away

1495
01:12:23,434 --> 01:12:25,314
Speaker 6: in a way that doesn't like this makes him It

1496
01:12:25,314 --> 01:12:25,874
Speaker 6: wasn't my fault.

1497
01:12:25,874 --> 01:12:26,714
Speaker 7: I didn't know it Like.

1498
01:12:27,314 --> 01:12:32,034
Speaker 5: That's four explains it away? Yeah, because all of a sudden,

1499
01:12:32,514 --> 01:12:36,994
Speaker 5: it's Robert and Jonathan Crafts fault that Tom Brady left

1500
01:12:37,034 --> 01:12:38,794
Speaker 5: and they no longer allowed him to do it the

1501
01:12:38,794 --> 01:12:41,554
Speaker 5: way he wanted to do that he convinces himself that

1502
01:12:41,554 --> 01:12:42,474
Speaker 5: that's true.

1503
01:12:42,474 --> 01:12:44,914
Speaker 4: Yeah, which was what we weren't doing as well. They

1504
01:12:44,994 --> 01:12:47,634
Speaker 4: started asking me questions, so it's their fault.

1505
01:12:47,794 --> 01:12:51,354
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I feel like they started asking questions about

1506
01:12:51,394 --> 01:12:56,354
Speaker 9: the draft twenty and eighteen probably was. It was really

1507
01:12:56,394 --> 01:12:59,314
Speaker 9: the start of the poor drafting and what was going on.

1508
01:12:59,354 --> 01:13:01,754
Speaker 9: So it's even pre Brady and Brady saw it. Like

1509
01:13:01,754 --> 01:13:04,674
Speaker 9: Brady saw that the roster was decaying and him and

1510
01:13:04,754 --> 01:13:07,834
Speaker 9: Grokowski and Edelman and those players were getting older and

1511
01:13:07,994 --> 01:13:10,034
Speaker 9: they didn't have the pipeline to start replace.

1512
01:13:10,074 --> 01:13:11,514
Speaker 5: It's a lot of blame. I mean, there's a lot

1513
01:13:11,554 --> 01:13:13,434
Speaker 5: of blame to go around, but there's not a lot

1514
01:13:13,474 --> 01:13:14,634
Speaker 5: of looking in the mirror.

1515
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Speaker 6: I love Evan's point though, I mean, I think that's

1516
01:13:16,634 --> 01:13:18,554
Speaker 6: because you put it as like the demarcation line of

1517
01:13:18,594 --> 01:13:21,034
Speaker 6: Brady leaving, like it was already like he should have

1518
01:13:21,034 --> 01:13:22,914
Speaker 6: already kind of been under question by the time he

1519
01:13:22,954 --> 01:13:23,314
Speaker 6: got to that.

1520
01:13:23,514 --> 01:13:26,914
Speaker 9: The twenty eighteen Super Bowl is like their last dance, right,

1521
01:13:26,954 --> 01:13:30,234
Speaker 9: Like they put it together for three more games and

1522
01:13:30,314 --> 01:13:32,634
Speaker 9: Brady put them on their back for three three more

1523
01:13:32,674 --> 01:13:34,554
Speaker 9: games and they won a Super Bowl.

1524
01:13:34,594 --> 01:13:34,674
Speaker 7: That.

1525
01:13:34,794 --> 01:13:37,434
Speaker 9: Frankly, they probably shouldn't have won, right, just in terms

1526
01:13:37,474 --> 01:13:39,474
Speaker 9: of the season that they had. If you watch them

1527
01:13:39,514 --> 01:13:42,034
Speaker 9: during the regular season in twenty eighteen, you already saw

1528
01:13:42,074 --> 01:13:44,194
Speaker 9: that the team was getting worse they had.

1529
01:13:44,314 --> 01:13:48,394
Speaker 5: It was a great combination of the greatness of Belichick

1530
01:13:48,634 --> 01:13:51,554
Speaker 5: and Brady in the AFC Championship game. I thought it

1531
01:13:51,594 --> 01:13:54,394
Speaker 5: was a brilliant plan. So I give Belichick a lot

1532
01:13:54,394 --> 01:13:56,474
Speaker 5: of credit for that. Pacific people think that I'm always

1533
01:13:56,714 --> 01:13:59,994
Speaker 5: crapping on Belichick. Not the case, like you watch that

1534
01:14:00,154 --> 01:14:05,634
Speaker 5: game and he I think was solely responsible for them

1535
01:14:05,634 --> 01:14:08,834
Speaker 5: having control of the game to start the second half

1536
01:14:09,594 --> 01:14:11,754
Speaker 5: because Brady did not play great in the first half.

1537
01:14:11,754 --> 01:14:13,434
Speaker 5: He had a huge pick in the end zone.

1538
01:14:13,594 --> 01:14:13,874
Speaker 4: Yep.

1539
01:14:14,754 --> 01:14:19,394
Speaker 5: But then Kansas City adjusts their talent wins out. Now

1540
01:14:19,434 --> 01:14:23,954
Speaker 5: we're hanging on Captain America to the rescue right when

1541
01:14:23,954 --> 01:14:26,154
Speaker 5: you had to have them down the street in overtime.

1542
01:14:26,954 --> 01:14:27,794
Speaker 5: He was perfect.

1543
01:14:28,234 --> 01:14:29,834
Speaker 9: You're a big fan of die mod.

1544
01:14:29,634 --> 01:14:32,794
Speaker 5: Magic, I'd have to know what that is.

1545
01:14:34,394 --> 01:14:34,874
Speaker 4: What is it?

1546
01:14:35,114 --> 01:14:37,874
Speaker 9: So die od magic is basically the call that they

1547
01:14:37,994 --> 01:14:40,634
Speaker 9: used in the AFC Championship Game for most of the game.

1548
01:14:40,994 --> 01:14:45,594
Speaker 9: So dime, that's the defensive package obviously odd man odd

1549
01:14:45,634 --> 01:14:49,794
Speaker 9: front magic is what covers zero call with a double

1550
01:14:49,914 --> 01:14:52,754
Speaker 9: on Tyreek Hill. So they played Manta man five man

1551
01:14:52,914 --> 01:14:55,794
Speaker 9: rush up front, double team Tyreek Hill over the top,

1552
01:14:56,034 --> 01:14:58,554
Speaker 9: and then they put a corner on Travis Kelcey instead

1553
01:14:58,554 --> 01:15:01,354
Speaker 9: of a safety. It started as j C. Jackson and

1554
01:15:01,354 --> 01:15:05,714
Speaker 9: then Stefan Gilmour started to cover uh tyre Travis Kelcey

1555
01:15:05,754 --> 01:15:07,954
Speaker 9: a little bit towards the end and U and that

1556
01:15:08,074 --> 01:15:08,834
Speaker 9: was the game they stole.

1557
01:15:08,954 --> 01:15:13,794
Speaker 5: They stole just enough stops to get some separation and

1558
01:15:13,834 --> 01:15:16,914
Speaker 5: then Kansas City figured it out and they started moving

1559
01:15:16,954 --> 01:15:21,914
Speaker 5: the ball at will doing other things and ultimately came

1560
01:15:21,954 --> 01:15:26,234
Speaker 5: down to really, you know, I don't think really yeah,

1561
01:15:26,234 --> 01:15:27,594
Speaker 5: if you want to.

1562
01:15:26,714 --> 01:15:29,394
Speaker 4: Get well, it came down to those third and fourth

1563
01:15:29,594 --> 01:15:30,634
Speaker 4: down conversions.

1564
01:15:30,834 --> 01:15:33,514
Speaker 5: Well, if the penalty doesn't happen the games, that's true

1565
01:15:33,754 --> 01:15:35,554
Speaker 5: the off side that the guy doesn't line up off

1566
01:15:36,194 --> 01:15:36,554
Speaker 5: who was it?

1567
01:15:36,954 --> 01:15:37,354
Speaker 7: D Ford.

1568
01:15:38,034 --> 01:15:41,594
Speaker 9: They also had a really cool wrinkle on defense. They

1569
01:15:41,634 --> 01:15:44,514
Speaker 9: had a tell for Kansas City which way the line

1570
01:15:44,554 --> 01:15:46,754
Speaker 9: was going to slide, you know, man side, slide side,

1571
01:15:47,034 --> 01:15:51,034
Speaker 9: and so they would wrap the stunt up front opposite

1572
01:15:51,114 --> 01:15:53,714
Speaker 9: of the slide, and they had a tail based off

1573
01:15:53,754 --> 01:15:56,474
Speaker 9: of where Mahomes put the running back of which side

1574
01:15:56,514 --> 01:15:58,794
Speaker 9: the slide was going to go to, and so they

1575
01:15:58,794 --> 01:16:01,754
Speaker 9: would just wrap the free runner the other way, and

1576
01:16:01,794 --> 01:16:03,994
Speaker 9: they were just getting pressure on them the whole first

1577
01:16:03,994 --> 01:16:06,674
Speaker 9: half doing that. Then Kansas City caught on. But it

1578
01:16:06,754 --> 01:16:07,594
Speaker 9: was pretty cool that.

1579
01:16:07,874 --> 01:16:10,274
Speaker 5: The little game within the game, and Damian Williams was

1580
01:16:10,274 --> 01:16:13,594
Speaker 5: a big part of that second half if I remember, Yeah, though,

1581
01:16:13,874 --> 01:16:18,114
Speaker 5: oh yeah, that's their offense and that was like, you know,

1582
01:16:19,954 --> 01:16:21,994
Speaker 5: that was both of those teams offenses.

1583
01:16:22,194 --> 01:16:22,354
Speaker 8: Yea.

1584
01:16:22,714 --> 01:16:24,514
Speaker 4: His picks, yeah.

1585
01:16:24,434 --> 01:16:27,234
Speaker 5: You know, they rubs if they don't draw flags, right,

1586
01:16:28,074 --> 01:16:30,674
Speaker 5: but they're absolutely illegal, no, I mean that's Sammy Watkin's

1587
01:16:30,674 --> 01:16:33,994
Speaker 5: play at the end was an absolute pick for Kansas City.

1588
01:16:35,354 --> 01:16:38,314
Speaker 4: All Right, pay podcast at Patriots dot Com is the

1589
01:16:38,354 --> 01:16:41,514
Speaker 4: email address. David new Hampshire writes in I've heard a

1590
01:16:41,554 --> 01:16:45,834
Speaker 4: lot of fans disliking the vrabel pick with possibly McDaniel's

1591
01:16:45,914 --> 01:16:49,954
Speaker 4: oc due to changing up the system on May. Obviously,

1592
01:16:50,074 --> 01:16:53,794
Speaker 4: Johnson is the hot new type pants guy, but I

1593
01:16:53,794 --> 01:16:57,394
Speaker 4: think people forget he's also an Earhart Perkins guy like Josh.

1594
01:16:57,554 --> 01:17:00,074
Speaker 4: Their schemes are different, of course, but for people worried

1595
01:17:00,074 --> 01:17:04,634
Speaker 4: about changing systems on May, Johnson has the same problem, thoughts.

1596
01:17:05,754 --> 01:17:09,674
Speaker 5: I don't have any objection to Josh McDaniels because it's

1597
01:17:09,674 --> 01:17:12,154
Speaker 5: a change of the system. The system is changing. Yeah,

1598
01:17:12,314 --> 01:17:14,914
Speaker 5: Alex Van Pelt's not gonna be the offensive coordinator next year.

1599
01:17:15,754 --> 01:17:19,354
Speaker 9: I think there's also a big difference between talking about

1600
01:17:19,874 --> 01:17:23,074
Speaker 9: the system and that respect. That's the language. So it's

1601
01:17:23,074 --> 01:17:26,874
Speaker 9: the language that we're speaking in terms of Earnhard Perkins,

1602
01:17:26,914 --> 01:17:28,954
Speaker 9: is the way that the verbiage of how you call

1603
01:17:29,034 --> 01:17:31,594
Speaker 9: the plays. That doesn't mean that the design of the

1604
01:17:31,674 --> 01:17:32,594
Speaker 9: offense is the same.

1605
01:17:32,674 --> 01:17:34,554
Speaker 5: But I'll give the email a credit, like I wasn't

1606
01:17:34,554 --> 01:17:37,714
Speaker 5: aware that Ben Johnson has his roots in Aarhart Perkins.

1607
01:17:37,794 --> 01:17:41,634
Speaker 9: Technically yes, but you know, again, it's a big difference

1608
01:17:41,674 --> 01:17:45,434
Speaker 9: between play design and how we call plays. How we

1609
01:17:45,514 --> 01:17:48,594
Speaker 9: call plays is West Coast, ern Hard Perkins, air Quarriel.

1610
01:17:48,914 --> 01:17:52,234
Speaker 9: How you design plays is a different category of how

1611
01:17:52,274 --> 01:17:55,754
Speaker 9: you're gonna move the football offensively. So don't you know

1612
01:17:55,874 --> 01:17:57,874
Speaker 9: ern Hard Perkins, West Coast? I think a lot of

1613
01:17:57,914 --> 01:18:00,194
Speaker 9: people get caught up in that one. Really, it's the

1614
01:18:00,234 --> 01:18:02,714
Speaker 9: scheme of are you an outside zone team, are you

1615
01:18:02,754 --> 01:18:05,354
Speaker 9: a downhill run team, or you under center or you shotgun?

1616
01:18:05,554 --> 01:18:07,874
Speaker 9: You know how do you formationally space the field?

1617
01:18:07,914 --> 01:18:07,994
Speaker 7: Like?

1618
01:18:08,034 --> 01:18:10,634
Speaker 9: Those are the things that separate all these offenses.

1619
01:18:10,754 --> 01:18:14,194
Speaker 4: David Bethlehem McDaniels gets my vote for OC. Maybe would

1620
01:18:14,234 --> 01:18:17,154
Speaker 4: be a great pairing with a defensive minded head coach,

1621
01:18:17,274 --> 01:18:20,714
Speaker 4: the management would be balanced. How about asking the new

1622
01:18:20,714 --> 01:18:24,113
Speaker 4: head coach who was ol coaches are and asking Dante

1623
01:18:24,154 --> 01:18:27,274
Speaker 4: to interview them. While Wolf has been criticized, what exactly

1624
01:18:27,354 --> 01:18:28,994
Speaker 4: has Heismith done? No one knows.

1625
01:18:30,234 --> 01:18:31,274
Speaker 7: It's not always the case though.

1626
01:18:31,274 --> 01:18:32,794
Speaker 6: There's a bunch of guys in the front office that

1627
01:18:32,834 --> 01:18:35,154
Speaker 6: you don't know what people are always doing, like.

1628
01:18:35,154 --> 01:18:36,714
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not even on the coaching staff too.

1629
01:18:36,754 --> 01:18:38,234
Speaker 6: I mean you get the guys, you get to talk

1630
01:18:38,274 --> 01:18:41,114
Speaker 6: to the coordinators, and you get even the defensive coaches.

1631
01:18:41,114 --> 01:18:43,074
Speaker 6: But then we don't even see, you know, like some

1632
01:18:43,114 --> 01:18:43,674
Speaker 6: of the guys.

1633
01:18:43,474 --> 01:18:47,634
Speaker 5: Who are like the assistant So we haven't talked much

1634
01:18:47,634 --> 01:18:51,594
Speaker 5: about personnel guys around the league. You know, there's a

1635
01:18:51,594 --> 01:18:53,674
Speaker 5: lot of assistant gms that are going to be in

1636
01:18:53,714 --> 01:18:57,434
Speaker 5: line to get GM jobs. My boy, Mike Bergonzi's one

1637
01:18:57,434 --> 01:19:01,674
Speaker 5: of them from Everett. He's the assistant general manager of

1638
01:19:01,794 --> 01:19:05,114
Speaker 5: the Chiefs. What does he do? I don't know, right,

1639
01:19:05,274 --> 01:19:06,394
Speaker 5: How do you know, he's.

1640
01:19:06,234 --> 01:19:07,193
Speaker 7: Likes in on the meetings.

1641
01:19:07,434 --> 01:19:10,074
Speaker 5: I mean, he's part of a really successful organization that's

1642
01:19:10,114 --> 01:19:10,954
Speaker 5: done a great job.

1643
01:19:10,794 --> 01:19:13,114
Speaker 4: Of the acquiring talent or assistant to the GM.

1644
01:19:13,274 --> 01:19:15,314
Speaker 5: And does he have any say?

1645
01:19:15,674 --> 01:19:15,874
Speaker 4: Right?

1646
01:19:16,074 --> 01:19:18,634
Speaker 5: You know what, I don't know exactly what is the

1647
01:19:18,674 --> 01:19:21,114
Speaker 5: guy that is tied to vrabel a lot that we

1648
01:19:21,114 --> 01:19:25,154
Speaker 5: talked about, Ryan Cowden. He's like whatever the executive isist

1649
01:19:25,354 --> 01:19:28,474
Speaker 5: into Joe Shane. I don't know what he's doing. I

1650
01:19:28,474 --> 01:19:30,954
Speaker 5: don't know, like if he's competent in his job.

1651
01:19:31,034 --> 01:19:32,594
Speaker 6: And that's why though they're like if you were in

1652
01:19:32,634 --> 01:19:35,394
Speaker 6: those meetings, you probably would know, like one of these

1653
01:19:35,434 --> 01:19:37,314
Speaker 6: guys is really bright, you know, like like some of

1654
01:19:37,314 --> 01:19:39,234
Speaker 6: these guys are just kind of there hanging out, but

1655
01:19:39,314 --> 01:19:41,074
Speaker 6: other guys, you.

1656
01:19:41,074 --> 01:19:42,074
Speaker 5: Know, assault of the earth.

1657
01:19:42,194 --> 01:19:42,354
Speaker 8: You know.

1658
01:19:42,394 --> 01:19:45,394
Speaker 5: Obviously his background is impeccable coming from every high school,

1659
01:19:45,394 --> 01:19:47,114
Speaker 5: but you know, he is an Ivy League guy who

1660
01:19:47,114 --> 01:19:50,154
Speaker 5: went to Brown, played football and baseball at Brown. And

1661
01:19:50,514 --> 01:19:52,794
Speaker 5: you know, I do know the family a little bit,

1662
01:19:52,834 --> 01:19:55,394
Speaker 5: great family, but that doesn't mean he's fit to be

1663
01:19:55,474 --> 01:19:56,554
Speaker 5: an NFL executive.

1664
01:19:56,794 --> 01:19:59,394
Speaker 9: Yeah, he from what I understand, and I could be

1665
01:19:59,434 --> 01:20:02,914
Speaker 9: wrong about this, but he's Brown Ivy League guy. He's

1666
01:20:02,994 --> 01:20:07,794
Speaker 9: more on the cap analytics side of things, which is

1667
01:20:07,794 --> 01:20:11,834
Speaker 9: why he's been a very popular candidate, and Cowden variables

1668
01:20:11,874 --> 01:20:15,354
Speaker 9: guy Shocker is more of the old school put.

1669
01:20:15,234 --> 01:20:19,514
Speaker 5: Pats on and and watch the film and.

1670
01:20:19,234 --> 01:20:21,554
Speaker 4: Barton Poland with Mayo Gun, it's time to hire an

1671
01:20:21,554 --> 01:20:25,074
Speaker 4: offensive minded head coach. Defensive head coaches like Verbel show

1672
01:20:25,114 --> 01:20:28,514
Speaker 4: the risks struggling to find and keep quality ocs. We

1673
01:20:28,594 --> 01:20:31,954
Speaker 4: need someone young and innovative who can establish long term

1674
01:20:31,994 --> 01:20:35,154
Speaker 4: offensive stability. Also, people don't want the risk of an

1675
01:20:35,234 --> 01:20:38,234
Speaker 4: inexperienced head coach. If you ask me, most of the

1676
01:20:38,274 --> 01:20:40,754
Speaker 4: top head coaches in the league right now are mostly

1677
01:20:40,794 --> 01:20:45,274
Speaker 4: first time head coaches. Also preach Brad. Let's not compare

1678
01:20:45,354 --> 01:20:48,194
Speaker 4: proven coordinators to draw Mayo who may have been the

1679
01:20:48,274 --> 01:20:51,914
Speaker 4: least qualified resume wives coaching higher of the last decade.

1680
01:20:52,394 --> 01:20:56,234
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen? What might be my two choices?

1681
01:20:56,674 --> 01:21:00,154
Speaker 4: Johnson is self explanatory and Cohen was with his New

1682
01:21:00,154 --> 01:21:02,834
Speaker 4: England roots you mass player Rood Allen, native but not

1683
01:21:02,914 --> 01:21:06,314
Speaker 4: connected directly to the Patriots. Of course, do a proper search,

1684
01:21:06,514 --> 01:21:09,194
Speaker 4: and if that search leads you to a guy like Rabel, okay,

1685
01:21:09,554 --> 01:21:12,314
Speaker 4: But my preference would be an offensive head coach.

1686
01:21:13,154 --> 01:21:13,634
Speaker 7: It's fair.

1687
01:21:13,954 --> 01:21:17,474
Speaker 5: It's fair. I like the entirety of that email. Yeah,

1688
01:21:17,474 --> 01:21:20,194
Speaker 5: if the search leads you to Vrabel and you really

1689
01:21:20,194 --> 01:21:22,914
Speaker 5: think that he's the best candidate, now let's hire Mike

1690
01:21:23,034 --> 01:21:25,754
Speaker 5: Rabel because I know he can coach. I know he

1691
01:21:25,754 --> 01:21:26,154
Speaker 5: can coach.

1692
01:21:26,234 --> 01:21:28,154
Speaker 6: Especially the comparison of MAO, which is just you have

1693
01:21:28,194 --> 01:21:30,794
Speaker 6: to acknowledge that he wasn't a first time hand coach.

1694
01:21:30,834 --> 01:21:32,794
Speaker 6: He was a first time coach, you know, period, like

1695
01:21:32,794 --> 01:21:34,274
Speaker 6: most of these guys that are going to be first

1696
01:21:34,274 --> 01:21:35,994
Speaker 6: time hand coaches have coached for a while.

1697
01:21:36,394 --> 01:21:38,754
Speaker 9: Yeah. I agree with the point. I'm usually an offensive

1698
01:21:38,754 --> 01:21:41,394
Speaker 9: minded guy, as everyone knows, and I agree that it's

1699
01:21:41,434 --> 01:21:44,154
Speaker 9: hard as a defensive coach. But I do think there

1700
01:21:44,234 --> 01:21:47,034
Speaker 9: is evidence that there are other elements to this that

1701
01:21:47,114 --> 01:21:49,474
Speaker 9: are more important than just which side of the ball

1702
01:21:49,514 --> 01:21:51,794
Speaker 9: do you call plays for, you know, the culture building,

1703
01:21:52,114 --> 01:21:55,394
Speaker 9: the CEO elements. We certainly have seen how handling press

1704
01:21:55,394 --> 01:21:57,794
Speaker 9: conferences and all that kind of stuff can be make

1705
01:21:57,834 --> 01:22:00,634
Speaker 9: an impact, and those things I think matter a lot.

1706
01:22:00,674 --> 01:22:03,954
Speaker 9: I think that's why Jim Harbaughs exceeding so much in

1707
01:22:03,994 --> 01:22:06,514
Speaker 9: Los Angeles. He's not calling plays on either side of

1708
01:22:06,554 --> 01:22:08,874
Speaker 9: the ball. He's just running the ship and running it.

1709
01:22:08,914 --> 01:22:09,114
Speaker 4: Well.

1710
01:22:09,274 --> 01:22:10,834
Speaker 6: I can I ask you guys a quick question. I'm

1711
01:22:10,874 --> 01:22:13,874
Speaker 6: not I didn't track this. What was the trajectory of

1712
01:22:13,874 --> 01:22:15,754
Speaker 6: Derek Henry coming into the NFL, because I know he

1713
01:22:15,834 --> 01:22:16,914
Speaker 6: was what like a second round.

1714
01:22:16,714 --> 01:22:19,114
Speaker 4: Fell comes back to Derek twenty sixteen.

1715
01:22:19,154 --> 01:22:22,874
Speaker 6: Right, ye, kind of okay, twenty sixteen, twenty seventy. Look,

1716
01:22:22,874 --> 01:22:24,474
Speaker 6: I just did a cursory research of his stats, just

1717
01:22:24,514 --> 01:22:26,834
Speaker 6: trying to put together like what Rabel's team building process

1718
01:22:26,914 --> 01:22:29,674
Speaker 6: kind of was. But Henry was already there when he arrived,

1719
01:22:30,194 --> 01:22:32,834
Speaker 6: Like what what happened those first two years? He wasn't

1720
01:22:32,874 --> 01:22:35,754
Speaker 6: like crazy Derrick Henry until well, like Rabel kind of

1721
01:22:35,754 --> 01:22:36,714
Speaker 6: got there those couple of years.

1722
01:22:36,794 --> 01:22:38,554
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken, I would have to look at

1723
01:22:38,554 --> 01:22:40,874
Speaker 5: this up to get the actual bio. But I think

1724
01:22:40,874 --> 01:22:43,674
Speaker 5: they were nine and seven the two previous years before Rabel,

1725
01:22:43,714 --> 01:22:47,154
Speaker 5: and then they were nine and seven Rabel's first two years. Huh,

1726
01:22:47,194 --> 01:22:48,514
Speaker 5: So I don't really think there was a.

1727
01:22:48,434 --> 01:22:50,114
Speaker 4: Whole Henry was good right away.

1728
01:22:50,754 --> 01:22:52,314
Speaker 6: That's what I was surprised that fred I looked at

1729
01:22:52,314 --> 01:22:54,554
Speaker 6: like his prosional staffs. He wasn't well, it was like

1730
01:22:54,594 --> 01:22:57,194
Speaker 6: eight hundred and seven eight hunreds first two years. I

1731
01:22:57,234 --> 01:22:58,634
Speaker 6: don't know, I didn't go that deep. That's what I

1732
01:22:58,634 --> 01:23:00,034
Speaker 6: was hoping you guys might know. I mean, that's just

1733
01:23:00,074 --> 01:23:02,794
Speaker 6: I was starting to like look at Rabel's drafts, you know,

1734
01:23:02,834 --> 01:23:04,634
Speaker 6: get a sense of what kind of guys they like

1735
01:23:04,714 --> 01:23:05,034
Speaker 6: to take.

1736
01:23:05,194 --> 01:23:06,674
Speaker 9: Well, so I think a big part of you know,

1737
01:23:06,714 --> 01:23:10,954
Speaker 9: Derrick Henry was was an amazing college player at Alabama,

1738
01:23:11,354 --> 01:23:14,114
Speaker 9: but there was always concerns about, you know, the type

1739
01:23:14,154 --> 01:23:16,154
Speaker 9: of runner that he was, is he too kind of

1740
01:23:16,154 --> 01:23:18,874
Speaker 9: old school, you know, he's going to be a downhill runner.

1741
01:23:18,674 --> 01:23:20,594
Speaker 5: And thought that might be wear and tear. I think

1742
01:23:20,634 --> 01:23:22,594
Speaker 5: he would have a long shelf life. And that's the

1743
01:23:22,634 --> 01:23:23,434
Speaker 5: exact opposite.

1744
01:23:23,514 --> 01:23:27,114
Speaker 9: I do remember, you know, those offenses, Mariota offenses, and

1745
01:23:27,194 --> 01:23:29,234
Speaker 9: so they were they were trying to be more spread

1746
01:23:29,274 --> 01:23:32,354
Speaker 9: and Oregon style and that kind of thing. And I

1747
01:23:32,394 --> 01:23:35,434
Speaker 9: wonder when Rabel got there, he probably put the quarterback

1748
01:23:35,514 --> 01:23:37,834
Speaker 9: under center, got there a big personnel.

1749
01:23:38,074 --> 01:23:41,194
Speaker 5: And so his first year he played fifteen games, but

1750
01:23:41,274 --> 01:23:44,474
Speaker 5: only started too. His second year he played sixteen games again,

1751
01:23:44,554 --> 01:23:47,434
Speaker 5: only started to one hundred and ten attempts one hundred

1752
01:23:47,434 --> 01:23:51,594
Speaker 5: and seventy six attempts. So at the time the day,

1753
01:23:51,794 --> 01:23:53,914
Speaker 5: the average was four and a half, you know, full

1754
01:23:53,914 --> 01:23:56,754
Speaker 5: point two, So it wasn't bad. And was it eighteen

1755
01:23:57,034 --> 01:23:58,154
Speaker 5: Rabel's first year.

1756
01:23:58,114 --> 01:23:58,994
Speaker 7: I think so. Yeah.

1757
01:23:59,074 --> 01:24:02,474
Speaker 5: Yeah, So then he goes to twelve starts and goes

1758
01:24:02,514 --> 01:24:05,714
Speaker 5: up to two hundred and fifteen carries, so you know

1759
01:24:05,794 --> 01:24:08,434
Speaker 5: that's started feeding them. He started getting Fedd's.

1760
01:24:08,114 --> 01:24:10,113
Speaker 4: The guy that did it. Wasn't they have that speedy

1761
01:24:10,114 --> 01:24:13,914
Speaker 4: guy on the team Chris Johnson, Yeah, that would be.

1762
01:24:14,194 --> 01:24:15,394
Speaker 5: That would be before that.

1763
01:24:15,394 --> 01:24:18,194
Speaker 9: Was before that, before that, but not to CJ two

1764
01:24:18,274 --> 01:24:20,514
Speaker 9: K Yeah, not like too far. Like I think they

1765
01:24:20,554 --> 01:24:22,834
Speaker 9: actually passed the torch if I remember it correctly, like

1766
01:24:22,874 --> 01:24:23,594
Speaker 9: I think, so they.

1767
01:24:23,434 --> 01:24:26,434
Speaker 5: Had two two thousand yard rushers in short succession.

1768
01:24:26,674 --> 01:24:27,554
Speaker 9: Huh yeah.

1769
01:24:27,634 --> 01:24:27,834
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1770
01:24:27,874 --> 01:24:29,714
Speaker 9: I don't know exactly how big the gap was, but

1771
01:24:29,754 --> 01:24:30,914
Speaker 9: I don't think it was big at all.

1772
01:24:30,994 --> 01:24:33,554
Speaker 5: But I think you might have hit. Without looking at

1773
01:24:33,554 --> 01:24:35,954
Speaker 5: this closely, I think Evan might hit it. Yeah, it

1774
01:24:36,074 --> 01:24:39,594
Speaker 5: was probably just Mariota in a spread offense. That's really

1775
01:24:39,834 --> 01:24:43,554
Speaker 5: not that. That's why I had my doubts about the Ravens.

1776
01:24:43,714 --> 01:24:45,154
Speaker 5: One of my all time worst.

1777
01:24:44,834 --> 01:24:46,594
Speaker 9: Calls right there with you.

1778
01:24:47,314 --> 01:24:49,554
Speaker 4: So you think he'd have a hard time, So do

1779
01:24:49,594 --> 01:24:51,754
Speaker 4: you give Rabel credit by coming in and saying, look,

1780
01:24:51,754 --> 01:24:53,274
Speaker 4: we got Derrick Henry. We're gonna use it.

1781
01:24:53,314 --> 01:24:54,554
Speaker 6: I mean, that's you know, that's what I was kind

1782
01:24:54,594 --> 01:24:55,794
Speaker 6: of wondering. I don't know, I mean, I have to

1783
01:24:55,834 --> 01:24:57,794
Speaker 6: do a little more research. But and I was looking

1784
01:24:57,794 --> 01:24:59,314
Speaker 6: at that. I was looking at their drafts.

1785
01:24:59,554 --> 01:25:01,594
Speaker 7: You know, they were drafts. They had a couple of

1786
01:25:01,594 --> 01:25:02,194
Speaker 7: bad drafts.

1787
01:25:02,274 --> 01:25:06,674
Speaker 9: They were fantastic play action passing team. And I would

1788
01:25:06,714 --> 01:25:08,794
Speaker 9: say that Derrick Henry was one of those few backs

1789
01:25:08,794 --> 01:25:11,634
Speaker 9: where when he was in the backfield, play action just worked.

1790
01:25:11,714 --> 01:25:14,234
Speaker 9: You know, like everybody was afraid of him coming downhill.

1791
01:25:14,514 --> 01:25:17,834
Speaker 9: And so much of Ryan Tannehill's statistics in that big

1792
01:25:17,914 --> 01:25:20,354
Speaker 9: year that he had, we're off of play action. And

1793
01:25:20,394 --> 01:25:22,914
Speaker 9: he kind of was a play action merchant for a

1794
01:25:22,914 --> 01:25:25,994
Speaker 9: while there in Tennessee. And so that that was that

1795
01:25:26,114 --> 01:25:27,834
Speaker 9: was it, you know, that was the offense. It was

1796
01:25:28,034 --> 01:25:31,114
Speaker 9: Derrick Henry down your throats, play action pass and then

1797
01:25:31,194 --> 01:25:33,794
Speaker 9: Derrick Henry late down your throats and milk the clock.

1798
01:25:34,274 --> 01:25:38,834
Speaker 5: So that that year, Tannehill completed over seventy percent of

1799
01:25:38,874 --> 01:25:43,834
Speaker 5: his passes, twenty two touchdown six picks, led the league

1800
01:25:43,914 --> 01:25:49,153
Speaker 5: in yards per attempt, and his rating was one seventeen

1801
01:25:49,194 --> 01:25:50,554
Speaker 5: point five. I think I said it was like one

1802
01:25:51,354 --> 01:25:54,394
Speaker 5: seventeen point five. They totally led the league in that

1803
01:25:54,954 --> 01:25:59,594
Speaker 5: as well. He only he only started ten games, like

1804
01:25:59,674 --> 01:26:03,194
Speaker 5: he came in midway too. He replaced Mariota Riota, right,

1805
01:26:03,674 --> 01:26:05,794
Speaker 5: and they just absolutely took off.

1806
01:26:05,874 --> 01:26:07,634
Speaker 7: You know, was that Lafleur at that point?

1807
01:26:07,834 --> 01:26:10,394
Speaker 5: Maybe I believe that was still Laflur. I believe so

1808
01:26:10,554 --> 01:26:12,474
Speaker 5: because then they think he got the Green Bay job

1809
01:26:12,514 --> 01:26:13,274
Speaker 5: in twenty.

1810
01:26:13,034 --> 01:26:15,354
Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, and Arthur Smith was ends coach.

1811
01:26:15,434 --> 01:26:18,394
Speaker 5: And then but the next year, Tannehill went eleven and

1812
01:26:18,474 --> 01:26:22,554
Speaker 5: five and again completed over sixty five percent of his

1813
01:26:22,634 --> 01:26:25,154
Speaker 5: passes thirty eight hundred and nineteen yards. So that's not

1814
01:26:25,434 --> 01:26:29,714
Speaker 5: that's a sixteen game season, approaching four thousand yards, thirty

1815
01:26:29,714 --> 01:26:34,914
Speaker 5: three touchdowns, seven picks. So I know, like the reason

1816
01:26:34,954 --> 01:26:37,314
Speaker 5: I bring up Tannehill a lot with this is because

1817
01:26:37,314 --> 01:26:39,754
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of similarities between Drake May's

1818
01:26:39,794 --> 01:26:42,394
Speaker 5: game in Tannehill. I think Drake May has more skill.

1819
01:26:42,994 --> 01:26:44,794
Speaker 5: I think he can, I think he should be better

1820
01:26:44,834 --> 01:26:48,994
Speaker 5: than Tannehill. But an athletic guy who can move around

1821
01:26:49,034 --> 01:26:53,674
Speaker 5: and make throws on the run, uses legs occasionally, May

1822
01:26:53,714 --> 01:26:56,754
Speaker 5: is a better passer, no question. In my mind, he's

1823
01:26:56,754 --> 01:27:00,354
Speaker 5: a better passer. But I think there's some similarities there.

1824
01:27:00,434 --> 01:27:03,114
Speaker 4: You better get we're good.

1825
01:27:03,314 --> 01:27:08,474
Speaker 9: You better get him practicing. You said under center, you know,

1826
01:27:08,594 --> 01:27:11,674
Speaker 9: hand your hand off fakes, you know, play action fakes.

1827
01:27:11,714 --> 01:27:13,954
Speaker 9: That is one area of Drake's game where I thought

1828
01:27:14,074 --> 01:27:17,434
Speaker 9: he needs some work on his selling play action, showing

1829
01:27:17,474 --> 01:27:19,154
Speaker 9: the fake a little bit better. And now the sort

1830
01:27:19,234 --> 01:27:21,954
Speaker 9: of things, the ball handling aspects of it. Do you

1831
01:27:21,994 --> 01:27:23,994
Speaker 9: better If that's the type of offense you're going to run,

1832
01:27:23,994 --> 01:27:25,874
Speaker 9: then he'd be doing that all summer.

1833
01:27:26,834 --> 01:27:28,874
Speaker 5: I hear a lot of people talking about, like you know,

1834
01:27:29,474 --> 01:27:31,434
Speaker 5: you know Rabel was able to do all this, that

1835
01:27:31,514 --> 01:27:34,834
Speaker 5: and the other thing with Tannehill. Imagine like no, like

1836
01:27:34,914 --> 01:27:38,154
Speaker 5: Tannehill was really good for him, Like I get that,

1837
01:27:38,234 --> 01:27:41,194
Speaker 5: it was a lot of it was coaching, because I

1838
01:27:41,194 --> 01:27:43,594
Speaker 5: don't think he's been He wasn't really good before that,

1839
01:27:43,634 --> 01:27:45,754
Speaker 5: and he wasn't really good after that. Yeah, you know

1840
01:27:45,794 --> 01:27:49,514
Speaker 5: once he lost Lafleura and Smith. So I get that,

1841
01:27:50,114 --> 01:27:52,074
Speaker 5: but now I need to I need to know what

1842
01:27:52,114 --> 01:27:52,634
Speaker 5: you plan.

1843
01:27:52,514 --> 01:27:55,834
Speaker 4: On doing, John and Louisiana writes, and one thing that

1844
01:27:55,914 --> 01:27:59,754
Speaker 4: Deuce was frustrated all season with was all my all

1845
01:27:59,794 --> 01:28:02,234
Speaker 4: the my bads, and that's my fault. I got to

1846
01:28:02,274 --> 01:28:05,274
Speaker 4: get better. I'm telling you right now, you barely got

1847
01:28:05,274 --> 01:28:08,234
Speaker 4: one my bad or that's my fault before Rabel rips

1848
01:28:08,234 --> 01:28:10,474
Speaker 4: a new one into you. And I'll say, that's one

1849
01:28:10,474 --> 01:28:13,194
Speaker 4: thing I'd be excited for with Rabel coming in, the

1850
01:28:13,234 --> 01:28:16,554
Speaker 4: authority and the seriousness he has with his personality and

1851
01:28:16,594 --> 01:28:18,434
Speaker 4: the fact he knows what it takes to build a

1852
01:28:18,434 --> 01:28:21,674
Speaker 4: good team from scratch. Ps. I secretly wouldn't mind Josh

1853
01:28:21,794 --> 01:28:24,954
Speaker 4: McDaniels as the OC. It's a fine take.

1854
01:28:25,354 --> 01:28:27,074
Speaker 7: Yeah, I wouldn't mind it either.

1855
01:28:27,114 --> 01:28:28,874
Speaker 6: But I just like a lot of these decisions I'm

1856
01:28:28,914 --> 01:28:30,274
Speaker 6: wondering because there's two sides of it.

1857
01:28:30,314 --> 01:28:33,154
Speaker 7: There's like the just the pure football.

1858
01:28:32,834 --> 01:28:35,954
Speaker 6: Analyst thought on it, and then there's the fanboy part

1859
01:28:35,954 --> 01:28:38,754
Speaker 6: of me that likes Josh and likes Rabel and you

1860
01:28:38,754 --> 01:28:40,914
Speaker 6: know knows this. Yeah, well I know that, you know.

1861
01:28:40,954 --> 01:28:43,994
Speaker 6: I mean, aside from just that, like you guys know him.

1862
01:28:44,034 --> 01:28:46,434
Speaker 6: I've talked to Josh a couple of times now, you know, Like,

1863
01:28:46,514 --> 01:28:48,794
Speaker 6: so there's a relationship there. So that's appealing to me.

1864
01:28:48,834 --> 01:28:50,714
Speaker 6: But you know, I don't want to get caught up.

1865
01:28:50,754 --> 01:28:53,114
Speaker 6: I don't want to get caught up in I like

1866
01:28:53,194 --> 01:28:55,034
Speaker 6: the guy. This is the best decision for the Patriots.

1867
01:28:55,034 --> 01:28:56,634
Speaker 6: That's I think what they're gonna be asking themselves when

1868
01:28:56,634 --> 01:28:57,554
Speaker 6: they interview Ben Johnson.

1869
01:28:57,674 --> 01:29:00,234
Speaker 9: It is a departure, you know. We mentioned Laflora and

1870
01:29:00,354 --> 01:29:03,354
Speaker 9: Arthur Smith are West Coast coaches, so the system is

1871
01:29:03,354 --> 01:29:05,954
Speaker 9: a departure from what Rabel had in Tennessee. So I

1872
01:29:06,314 --> 01:29:08,874
Speaker 9: wonder that too, if he's ready to kind of pivot

1873
01:29:08,914 --> 01:29:11,274
Speaker 9: into a different, different way of doing things.

1874
01:29:11,954 --> 01:29:15,794
Speaker 4: Eldred is in North Carolina, the tpx utline. What's up Eldred?

1875
01:29:16,794 --> 01:29:19,274
Speaker 22: Hey, fellas not into truck today. I got COVID.

1876
01:29:20,234 --> 01:29:22,194
Speaker 5: COVID all right, I got the COVID.

1877
01:29:22,394 --> 01:29:25,834
Speaker 22: Yeah, I'm doing better. But y'all look good on you tube.

1878
01:29:27,594 --> 01:29:28,914
Speaker 10: Like YouTube.

1879
01:29:29,394 --> 01:29:35,554
Speaker 5: But me but.

1880
01:29:36,954 --> 01:29:41,034
Speaker 22: I'm kind of disappointed. But I understand the change. But

1881
01:29:41,114 --> 01:29:43,194
Speaker 22: you do the two years and mister Pepp, I love you,

1882
01:29:43,234 --> 01:29:46,474
Speaker 22: but I think you did your boy dirty, you know.

1883
01:29:46,634 --> 01:29:51,474
Speaker 22: And then the keeping wolf in the hospital, big mistake.

1884
01:29:51,554 --> 01:29:54,354
Speaker 22: I'm like Paul clean House, and I hope we get

1885
01:29:54,354 --> 01:29:54,954
Speaker 22: Ben Johnson.

1886
01:29:54,954 --> 01:29:56,394
Speaker 12: I don't want Rablee.

1887
01:29:56,394 --> 01:29:58,674
Speaker 22: We'll get Ben Jonson. Yeah, I have a good one, man.

1888
01:29:58,674 --> 01:29:59,554
Speaker 22: I gotta go take to me.

1889
01:30:01,234 --> 01:30:06,434
Speaker 4: Felt all right, Eldred weighing in, Ben Johnson, Let's see

1890
01:30:06,954 --> 01:30:11,874
Speaker 4: Kevin is in San Francisco. Hey, Kevin, Hey guys, how

1891
01:30:11,874 --> 01:30:12,554
Speaker 4: are we doing good?

1892
01:30:12,874 --> 01:30:13,114
Speaker 7: Kevin?

1893
01:30:14,354 --> 01:30:15,514
Speaker 10: A couple of things, you know.

1894
01:30:15,554 --> 01:30:19,674
Speaker 23: When it when I heard the news on Sunday, obviously

1895
01:30:19,754 --> 01:30:21,634
Speaker 23: everyone had their opinions on whether it's the right and

1896
01:30:21,754 --> 01:30:25,194
Speaker 23: wrong thing, but it kind of dawned on me. Several

1897
01:30:25,234 --> 01:30:28,954
Speaker 23: weeks ago we heard the chatter about the crafts calling

1898
01:30:28,994 --> 01:30:32,274
Speaker 23: around and you know, getting opinions and talking to people

1899
01:30:32,274 --> 01:30:34,794
Speaker 23: behind the scenes and whether or not that was, you know,

1900
01:30:35,074 --> 01:30:36,354
Speaker 23: the right thing to do with the wrong thing, And

1901
01:30:36,354 --> 01:30:38,594
Speaker 23: it kind of dawned on me. I wonder if they

1902
01:30:38,634 --> 01:30:40,434
Speaker 23: were trying, you know, they were fed up with a

1903
01:30:40,514 --> 01:30:43,314
Speaker 23: VP or for the coming hit, and just that we

1904
01:30:43,434 --> 01:30:47,354
Speaker 23: have to get some better ocs and DC's around around Drod.

1905
01:30:48,074 --> 01:30:50,234
Speaker 23: Now we know that's a tough call, because no one

1906
01:30:50,314 --> 01:30:52,034
Speaker 23: wants to go to a dead man walking for one

1907
01:30:52,074 --> 01:30:54,354
Speaker 23: year and then be cleaned out. But if they were

1908
01:30:54,394 --> 01:30:57,194
Speaker 23: able to get somebody of higher quality, do you think

1909
01:30:57,314 --> 01:30:59,994
Speaker 23: that might have saved Drod mail for one more year?

1910
01:31:03,274 --> 01:31:05,354
Speaker 5: I mean maybe I do think that part of the

1911
01:31:05,354 --> 01:31:07,314
Speaker 5: problem was the staff I don't think there was a

1912
01:31:07,354 --> 01:31:10,274
Speaker 5: lot of experience on the staff, so yeah, I mean

1913
01:31:10,274 --> 01:31:14,394
Speaker 5: that that could have possibly done it. But I think

1914
01:31:14,434 --> 01:31:17,674
Speaker 5: that the bigger issues with Gerard were about what Robert

1915
01:31:17,754 --> 01:31:21,114
Speaker 5: talked about yesterday and just I don't think he was

1916
01:31:21,194 --> 01:31:23,594
Speaker 5: he was ready for it. To me, the much more

1917
01:31:23,634 --> 01:31:28,114
Speaker 5: troubling part was the constant missteps off the field, both

1918
01:31:28,114 --> 01:31:30,674
Speaker 5: from him and the players, which to me is an

1919
01:31:30,674 --> 01:31:33,434
Speaker 5: extension of him, Like the lack of sort of control,

1920
01:31:34,554 --> 01:31:36,154
Speaker 5: you know, the discipline was lacking.

1921
01:31:36,394 --> 01:31:40,794
Speaker 9: Yeah, I come back to like the beginning with Gerrod

1922
01:31:40,834 --> 01:31:43,634
Speaker 9: and just it never felt like he had like a

1923
01:31:43,674 --> 01:31:46,754
Speaker 9: pipeline to tap into of where he was going to

1924
01:31:46,834 --> 01:31:50,554
Speaker 9: hire these coaches from. And it most of these guys

1925
01:31:50,594 --> 01:31:53,714
Speaker 9: that were new to the staff were connected to Elliott Wolfe.

1926
01:31:53,714 --> 01:31:56,114
Speaker 9: Like it wasn't Gerrod who was the one that was

1927
01:31:56,154 --> 01:31:59,754
Speaker 9: saying this is MYOC, this is my DC besides Covington,

1928
01:31:59,914 --> 01:32:03,554
Speaker 9: so you know, Jerry Montgomery, Alex van Pelt, really the

1929
01:32:03,554 --> 01:32:06,434
Speaker 9: whole offensive side of the ball, Jeremy Springer. Those guys

1930
01:32:06,434 --> 01:32:10,394
Speaker 9: are wolf guys. And it just didn't feel like Gerard

1931
01:32:10,514 --> 01:32:15,554
Speaker 9: was prepared to step into it with actual candidates that

1932
01:32:15,994 --> 01:32:17,634
Speaker 9: fit the building of those positions.

1933
01:32:18,754 --> 01:32:22,514
Speaker 4: Drew's in Connecticut. Hey Drew, I got.

1934
01:32:22,434 --> 01:32:23,234
Speaker 22: How you doing today?

1935
01:32:23,394 --> 01:32:23,634
Speaker 4: Good?

1936
01:32:23,874 --> 01:32:24,114
Speaker 7: Good?

1937
01:32:25,714 --> 01:32:27,674
Speaker 24: So I just wanted to ask a couple of things.

1938
01:32:27,874 --> 01:32:30,394
Speaker 24: I wanted to get your guys' like opinion on, like

1939
01:32:30,954 --> 01:32:37,594
Speaker 24: who realistic coordinators could be for offense and defense for

1940
01:32:37,714 --> 01:32:42,954
Speaker 24: both Ben Johnson or Rabel. I personally like Rabel and

1941
01:32:43,274 --> 01:32:46,834
Speaker 24: Ben Johnson. I'm honestly happy with either candidate. I just

1942
01:32:46,914 --> 01:32:47,874
Speaker 24: kind of was curious.

1943
01:32:47,634 --> 01:32:49,314
Speaker 25: Who they're like coordinators could be.

1944
01:32:49,914 --> 01:32:52,674
Speaker 24: I know someone mentioned yesterday how you guys talked about

1945
01:32:52,674 --> 01:32:56,914
Speaker 24: how well for incoming free agents, does the OC matter

1946
01:32:57,074 --> 01:32:59,914
Speaker 24: if your head coach is Ben Johnson versus Rabel, And

1947
01:33:00,034 --> 01:33:02,994
Speaker 24: like someone was like, if it's Ben Johnson, it doesn't,

1948
01:33:03,114 --> 01:33:05,794
Speaker 24: but like if it's Rabel, the OC is super important

1949
01:33:05,794 --> 01:33:09,114
Speaker 24: for incoming free agents as well. I also just want

1950
01:33:09,154 --> 01:33:11,474
Speaker 24: to get your guys' opinion on last year's draft last

1951
01:33:11,674 --> 01:33:14,474
Speaker 24: and how like you guys believe that like Polk and

1952
01:33:14,554 --> 01:33:18,794
Speaker 24: Baker with better coaching and development could take like a

1953
01:33:18,874 --> 01:33:21,194
Speaker 24: year or two jump that's big. The same thing for

1954
01:33:21,234 --> 01:33:23,194
Speaker 24: like Kiden Wallace, I know he was injured, but like

1955
01:33:24,034 --> 01:33:27,154
Speaker 24: could he become like a heap same thing with polkan

1956
01:33:27,194 --> 01:33:29,994
Speaker 24: Baker kind of how they were to both do I know,

1957
01:33:30,074 --> 01:33:32,034
Speaker 24: you don't really give up on guys after one year,

1958
01:33:32,074 --> 01:33:33,794
Speaker 24: but like, do you think they could really make a

1959
01:33:33,834 --> 01:33:36,514
Speaker 24: big year two jump if they got better coaching and developed?

1960
01:33:36,954 --> 01:33:39,354
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about it. Yeah, I don't know,

1961
01:33:39,474 --> 01:33:41,434
Speaker 4: but it can't hurt to have better coaching.

1962
01:33:41,714 --> 01:33:45,914
Speaker 5: No, let's go forward. Talked about the possibility of Josh

1963
01:33:45,994 --> 01:33:48,594
Speaker 5: mc daniels going with Rabel, you know, to a lesser extent.

1964
01:33:48,754 --> 01:33:50,994
Speaker 5: Tommy Reese is a name that's been tied to Rabel

1965
01:33:51,474 --> 01:33:54,554
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. I don't think any of us has a

1966
01:33:54,594 --> 01:33:56,794
Speaker 5: guess on defensive coordinator, do we well?

1967
01:33:56,794 --> 01:33:59,554
Speaker 9: So Shane Bowen was his defensive coordinator in Tennessee, but

1968
01:33:59,714 --> 01:34:02,354
Speaker 9: he's currently the defensive coordinator for the Giants, and the

1969
01:34:02,394 --> 01:34:05,434
Speaker 9: Giants didn't fire Dable, so I would assume that he's

1970
01:34:05,474 --> 01:34:08,594
Speaker 9: staying put with the Giants. A couple names i'd throw

1971
01:34:08,634 --> 01:34:11,514
Speaker 9: out there. Patrick Graham is a big one, I think

1972
01:34:11,594 --> 01:34:12,834
Speaker 9: with the Raiders current.

1973
01:34:12,634 --> 01:34:15,474
Speaker 5: He's gettings for head coaches right now.

1974
01:34:15,514 --> 01:34:20,114
Speaker 9: Yeah, so he's not under contract. His contract expired with

1975
01:34:20,194 --> 01:34:22,754
Speaker 9: the Raiders, so he is a technically a coaching free agent.

1976
01:34:23,434 --> 01:34:28,394
Speaker 9: So he's a former Patriot defensive assistant and he has

1977
01:34:28,434 --> 01:34:31,274
Speaker 9: some ties here. And lou Anna Murumo, who just got

1978
01:34:31,314 --> 01:34:35,354
Speaker 9: fired by the Bengals, scapegoated by the Bengals for them

1979
01:34:35,354 --> 01:34:38,954
Speaker 9: not making the playoffs is another uh. I would say,

1980
01:34:39,074 --> 01:34:41,954
Speaker 9: not a direct tie to Belichick or the coaching tree

1981
01:34:42,034 --> 01:34:44,914
Speaker 9: or anything, but runs a similar defense to what the

1982
01:34:44,954 --> 01:34:48,234
Speaker 9: Patriots have ran over the past couple of years. So

1983
01:34:48,394 --> 01:34:51,194
Speaker 9: I could see both those guys being No idea.

1984
01:34:51,074 --> 01:34:53,554
Speaker 5: On Ben Johnson, I don't have any idea what his.

1985
01:34:53,674 --> 01:34:56,914
Speaker 9: So he spent time with an Umo in Miami. They

1986
01:34:56,914 --> 01:34:59,154
Speaker 9: were on the staff together with the Dolphins for a

1987
01:34:59,154 --> 01:35:02,234
Speaker 9: little while, so there could be potentially a connection between

1988
01:35:02,274 --> 01:35:02,914
Speaker 9: those two guys.

1989
01:35:02,954 --> 01:35:05,314
Speaker 4: I know Salah is interviewing for head coach too, But

1990
01:35:05,394 --> 01:35:06,994
Speaker 4: do you think you'd ever come back as a DC,

1991
01:35:07,354 --> 01:35:09,634
Speaker 4: just you know, for a while. If he doesn't like

1992
01:35:09,754 --> 01:35:11,074
Speaker 4: what's being offered or think.

1993
01:35:10,914 --> 01:35:14,434
Speaker 5: That doesn't get it off, that's probably his his ticket

1994
01:35:14,474 --> 01:35:16,274
Speaker 5: back in the league right now. Yeah, he'll be a

1995
01:35:16,354 --> 01:35:17,034
Speaker 5: DC somewhere.

1996
01:35:17,394 --> 01:35:18,714
Speaker 4: What about would you?

1997
01:35:18,954 --> 01:35:20,434
Speaker 5: I would take be happy with that. I think he

1998
01:35:20,514 --> 01:35:21,354
Speaker 5: runs a good defense.

1999
01:35:21,474 --> 01:35:23,514
Speaker 4: I don't know how out.

2000
01:35:23,594 --> 01:35:25,794
Speaker 5: I don't know how that was with you know, you

2001
01:35:25,794 --> 01:35:26,194
Speaker 5: don't like.

2002
01:35:26,154 --> 01:35:30,794
Speaker 9: The system stylistically, I just don't think it fits. Uh,

2003
01:35:30,994 --> 01:35:34,514
Speaker 9: you know they they're there are zone defense. There are

2004
01:35:34,554 --> 01:35:37,434
Speaker 9: four to three four man rush defense. You have to

2005
01:35:37,474 --> 01:35:40,594
Speaker 9: have extremely athletic linebackers to play zone coverage the way

2006
01:35:40,634 --> 01:35:44,274
Speaker 9: they want to play zone coverage. You're obviously going to

2007
01:35:44,354 --> 01:35:48,074
Speaker 9: go through a significant personnel overhaul anyways, but that's you have.

2008
01:35:48,234 --> 01:35:50,354
Speaker 4: You need a whole talk to build that defense.

2009
01:35:50,474 --> 01:35:52,394
Speaker 9: It's it. I think you can build it, but you

2010
01:35:52,434 --> 01:35:52,994
Speaker 9: would need to.

2011
01:35:52,914 --> 01:35:54,354
Speaker 7: Build You're way far away from it.

2012
01:35:54,594 --> 01:35:57,594
Speaker 9: Yeah, like you're not Jewan Bentley and Jolanny dev A

2013
01:35:57,674 --> 01:36:00,954
Speaker 9: not playing linebacker and that defense you know, no good

2014
01:36:00,954 --> 01:36:04,994
Speaker 9: place Fred Warner and j mod and you could They'll

2015
01:36:05,034 --> 01:36:06,674
Speaker 9: get Dre Greenlow maybe.

2016
01:36:07,114 --> 01:36:11,594
Speaker 4: Yes, uh Sam and Saint Catharine's right. Sint Derek Henry

2017
01:36:11,634 --> 01:36:13,714
Speaker 4: was a slow start because Lafleur is one of those

2018
01:36:13,754 --> 01:36:16,794
Speaker 4: committee no matter what coaches when it comes to running backs.

2019
01:36:16,794 --> 01:36:19,634
Speaker 4: So he was spelling Henry with Dion Lewis a lot,

2020
01:36:19,874 --> 01:36:21,154
Speaker 4: which slowed his development.

2021
01:36:21,754 --> 01:36:24,594
Speaker 7: Real friend, deal Lewis, excuse me.

2022
01:36:25,434 --> 01:36:26,954
Speaker 5: What is Josh Jacobs split with?

2023
01:36:27,674 --> 01:36:27,994
Speaker 4: Huh?

2024
01:36:28,034 --> 01:36:29,714
Speaker 5: What is Josh Jacobs split time with?

2025
01:36:29,794 --> 01:36:29,994
Speaker 23: Now?

2026
01:36:30,474 --> 01:36:31,754
Speaker 7: Oh god, with the floor.

2027
01:36:32,354 --> 01:36:34,594
Speaker 9: They do have that a backup, but he's like an

2028
01:36:34,954 --> 01:36:36,914
Speaker 9: undrafted rookie changed.

2029
01:36:36,994 --> 01:36:37,434
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2030
01:36:38,394 --> 01:36:40,594
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that there's probably more about

2031
01:36:40,634 --> 01:36:43,154
Speaker 5: the offense, especially if you're telling me it was Deon Lewis,

2032
01:36:43,514 --> 01:36:46,674
Speaker 5: because Dion Lewis is that kind of back. Yeah, he's

2033
01:36:46,674 --> 01:36:47,394
Speaker 5: a spread back.

2034
01:36:47,634 --> 01:36:50,113
Speaker 6: He was exciting for a little bit, like just intriguing.

2035
01:36:50,154 --> 01:36:52,154
Speaker 6: I know, big injury, but was he did he like

2036
01:36:52,194 --> 01:36:53,634
Speaker 6: because he came out of nowhere. He's one of those

2037
01:36:53,634 --> 01:36:55,754
Speaker 6: guys that you probably dismissive of because he kicked around

2038
01:36:55,754 --> 01:36:58,754
Speaker 6: the league. But remember that like carry had in Dallas

2039
01:36:58,754 --> 01:37:00,594
Speaker 6: where like six guys missed him.

2040
01:37:00,514 --> 01:37:02,954
Speaker 9: Like that had a little run against Houston that he

2041
01:37:02,994 --> 01:37:07,874
Speaker 9: had like three touchdowns. Yeah, very different return and rushing.

2042
01:37:08,234 --> 01:37:10,114
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was. He was a really productive guy for

2043
01:37:10,154 --> 01:37:12,394
Speaker 5: the Patriots for seven times.

2044
01:37:13,634 --> 01:37:16,234
Speaker 9: That twenty fifteen season. He was unreal and till he

2045
01:37:16,314 --> 01:37:16,714
Speaker 9: got hurt.

2046
01:37:16,794 --> 01:37:17,914
Speaker 4: I mean he was that Dallas.

2047
01:37:18,154 --> 01:37:18,754
Speaker 7: That's crazy.

2048
01:37:18,834 --> 01:37:21,474
Speaker 5: That was a huge, huge injury. And you know, I

2049
01:37:21,594 --> 01:37:24,794
Speaker 5: Laflour's you know, I know that he did split time

2050
01:37:24,834 --> 01:37:28,234
Speaker 5: with like Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon. I want to say,

2051
01:37:28,274 --> 01:37:32,834
Speaker 5: but like again, like if you have one guy like

2052
01:37:32,914 --> 01:37:34,474
Speaker 5: I think he's showing you now, if you have a

2053
01:37:34,554 --> 01:37:40,714
Speaker 5: guy with Josh Jacobs. I mean, I don't have the Packers'

2054
01:37:40,714 --> 01:37:42,034
Speaker 5: stats in front of me, but I have to think

2055
01:37:42,034 --> 01:37:45,234
Speaker 5: that he got the lion's share of the band this year. Yeah,

2056
01:37:45,274 --> 01:37:47,674
Speaker 5: And I would think that Derek Henry would have been

2057
01:37:47,674 --> 01:37:49,394
Speaker 5: that kind of guy. Maybe it was just as simple

2058
01:37:49,434 --> 01:37:51,834
Speaker 5: as he was just a rookie and it's you know,

2059
01:37:51,874 --> 01:37:53,634
Speaker 5: it took him a couple of years. But I think

2060
01:37:53,674 --> 01:37:57,034
Speaker 5: Evan is right on with the style of offense that

2061
01:37:57,074 --> 01:37:59,914
Speaker 5: they were likely running at the time is probably not

2062
01:37:59,954 --> 01:38:01,194
Speaker 5: conducive to a power guy.

2063
01:38:01,354 --> 01:38:04,634
Speaker 9: Yeah, just go to the receivers real quick. With Polk

2064
01:38:04,674 --> 01:38:08,154
Speaker 9: and Baker. So is there a chance that they could

2065
01:38:08,194 --> 01:38:11,634
Speaker 9: have like a Kaishaan Boody second season. I'm not rolling

2066
01:38:11,674 --> 01:38:14,354
Speaker 9: that out, but you just don't see it too often

2067
01:38:14,434 --> 01:38:17,194
Speaker 9: anymore where they have a complete dud of a rookie

2068
01:38:17,234 --> 01:38:19,514
Speaker 9: season and then all of a sudden that guy turns

2069
01:38:19,514 --> 01:38:22,954
Speaker 9: into like a legitimate impact player in the NFL, especially

2070
01:38:23,034 --> 01:38:25,914
Speaker 9: at that position. Like I would be absolutely shocked at

2071
01:38:25,914 --> 01:38:28,274
Speaker 9: this point if Jalen Polk is an NFL player on

2072
01:38:28,314 --> 01:38:29,834
Speaker 9: this team in like two or three years.

2073
01:38:30,034 --> 01:38:31,674
Speaker 5: I would say even more so with Baker.

2074
01:38:31,834 --> 01:38:34,113
Speaker 6: I definitely, yeah, that one is yeah, because.

2075
01:38:33,954 --> 01:38:37,914
Speaker 5: I think Baker's problems are far more than ability. I

2076
01:38:37,994 --> 01:38:40,314
Speaker 5: just think he looks like he doesn't have the professionalism.

2077
01:38:40,434 --> 01:38:42,314
Speaker 5: That's what the coaches talked about. This is not me

2078
01:38:42,434 --> 01:38:45,794
Speaker 5: saying this. The coaches have made many references to this

2079
01:38:46,394 --> 01:38:48,354
Speaker 5: over the course of the year. Just not doing what

2080
01:38:48,434 --> 01:38:50,034
Speaker 5: he's supposed to be doing at practice.

2081
01:38:50,794 --> 01:38:53,474
Speaker 4: Well, that's more of an indictment on Wolf and Mark

2082
01:38:53,514 --> 01:38:57,674
Speaker 4: and Schaeddow writes in having rewatched the Craft press conference,

2083
01:38:57,674 --> 01:39:00,354
Speaker 4: I think it's clear that Wolf is staying. The first

2084
01:39:00,394 --> 01:39:02,994
Speaker 4: question was talking about the new coach having a say

2085
01:39:03,034 --> 01:39:09,354
Speaker 4: on players, and we'll be up to him personnel to

2086
01:39:09,594 --> 01:39:12,714
Speaker 4: yeah otherwise. I think Craft was very clear he needs

2087
01:39:12,754 --> 01:39:15,874
Speaker 4: people that can work together and that means working with

2088
01:39:15,954 --> 01:39:19,034
Speaker 4: Wolf will be staying. Why does everyone else seem to

2089
01:39:19,034 --> 01:39:20,594
Speaker 4: think that the new coach will have a say on

2090
01:39:20,714 --> 01:39:25,594
Speaker 4: Wolf staying or going? What am I missing? I hear

2091
01:39:25,634 --> 01:39:27,394
Speaker 4: what you're saying, because Paul and I went over the

2092
01:39:27,394 --> 01:39:29,994
Speaker 4: transcript this morning because we were we wanted to make

2093
01:39:30,034 --> 01:39:34,114
Speaker 4: sure that we remembered correctly, and the follow up with

2094
01:39:34,194 --> 01:39:38,674
Speaker 4: Karen Garigian. In my opinion, Kraft was clear that Wolf

2095
01:39:38,714 --> 01:39:44,794
Speaker 4: would be staying on. But I think and just a

2096
01:39:44,914 --> 01:39:48,754
Speaker 4: guess through back channels, and Phil Perry was the mouthpiece

2097
01:39:48,794 --> 01:39:54,474
Speaker 4: for this. Perry's story today was whoever the head coach

2098
01:39:55,074 --> 01:39:57,674
Speaker 4: come that comes in and gets the job, he will

2099
01:39:57,674 --> 01:40:00,834
Speaker 4: have a say on who his personnel person is. So

2100
01:40:02,434 --> 01:40:05,154
Speaker 4: if it's Mike Rabel and he wants a new guy,

2101
01:40:05,394 --> 01:40:08,394
Speaker 4: he's going to get a new guy. If it's Mike

2102
01:40:08,514 --> 01:40:11,154
Speaker 4: Rabel and he wants to keep Elliott Wolf, he's going

2103
01:40:11,234 --> 01:40:16,314
Speaker 4: to keep Elliott Wolf. But the you know, if it's

2104
01:40:16,434 --> 01:40:18,954
Speaker 4: you know, Ben Johnson or Mike Rabel, they have the

2105
01:40:19,074 --> 01:40:24,314
Speaker 4: leverage and uh, not giving them their personal guy is

2106
01:40:24,354 --> 01:40:26,954
Speaker 4: not going to be why uh they don't come here.

2107
01:40:26,994 --> 01:40:28,274
Speaker 4: They're gonna get what they want.

2108
01:40:28,674 --> 01:40:29,914
Speaker 7: They had to get that out there. I mean, I

2109
01:40:29,954 --> 01:40:31,794
Speaker 7: think that's key. Yeah, you know, we said, you just

2110
01:40:31,794 --> 01:40:33,274
Speaker 7: don't want to lose the guys. You know, Yeah, there

2111
01:40:33,354 --> 01:40:34,394
Speaker 7: is competitions, and I.

2112
01:40:34,314 --> 01:40:36,434
Speaker 5: Think I think they will be back. I just don't

2113
01:40:36,434 --> 01:40:39,394
Speaker 5: know in what capacity if the new coach, to Fred's point,

2114
01:40:39,914 --> 01:40:40,794
Speaker 5: wants his own GMS.

2115
01:40:40,834 --> 01:40:43,634
Speaker 4: And it's a tough question for Robert or anybody fielding.

2116
01:40:43,754 --> 01:40:45,514
Speaker 4: You know, you're in the middle of getting ready for

2117
01:40:45,554 --> 01:40:47,914
Speaker 4: the draft and off season. You're not gonna stand up

2118
01:40:47,954 --> 01:40:50,354
Speaker 4: there and say, yeah, are guys gone. Yeah, you know,

2119
01:40:50,474 --> 01:40:53,354
Speaker 4: you don't know. You don't know. You're first of all,

2120
01:40:53,354 --> 01:40:55,674
Speaker 4: you don't know who you're gonna hire, and you don't

2121
01:40:55,714 --> 01:40:58,914
Speaker 4: know whoever that person is what they want, So you

2122
01:40:59,074 --> 01:41:01,114
Speaker 4: have to be open to that. They, like I said,

2123
01:41:01,514 --> 01:41:03,994
Speaker 4: that person might come in and say, yeah, Elliott Wolf,

2124
01:41:04,274 --> 01:41:07,154
Speaker 4: I know about him, He's got a good reputation. I've

2125
01:41:07,194 --> 01:41:09,914
Speaker 4: talked to people before I got here about him. Let's

2126
01:41:09,994 --> 01:41:11,994
Speaker 4: keep him on Cleveland for the past year.

2127
01:41:12,234 --> 01:41:16,394
Speaker 9: Yeah, a lot of people are pretty familiar with the guys, right.

2128
01:41:16,314 --> 01:41:19,154
Speaker 4: Let's let's keep him on that. That could perfectly, that

2129
01:41:19,194 --> 01:41:23,034
Speaker 4: could happen. Yeah, So for you know, I think Robert

2130
01:41:23,074 --> 01:41:26,434
Speaker 4: Kraft was just kind of even things open. But I

2131
01:41:26,474 --> 01:41:30,314
Speaker 4: think in that last answer, I thought he was saying

2132
01:41:30,594 --> 01:41:32,554
Speaker 4: he's gonna stay on regardless. Yeah.

2133
01:41:32,634 --> 01:41:34,434
Speaker 7: I thought was pretty good on this yesterday.

2134
01:41:34,474 --> 01:41:37,474
Speaker 6: I was just saying, like, you can't fire everybody and

2135
01:41:37,474 --> 01:41:38,834
Speaker 6: make everybody walk out of the building.

2136
01:41:38,834 --> 01:41:40,914
Speaker 7: You want, like, you have to keep people. It's very

2137
01:41:40,954 --> 01:41:42,034
Speaker 7: common for theft.

2138
01:41:42,994 --> 01:41:46,394
Speaker 4: He was reason it's very common for teams in our

2139
01:41:46,394 --> 01:41:49,554
Speaker 4: position to keep their personnel people on through the draft

2140
01:41:49,714 --> 01:41:52,874
Speaker 4: because they've done all the work. They're gonna be professionals.

2141
01:41:52,914 --> 01:41:55,514
Speaker 4: You don't have to worry about them leaking it out

2142
01:41:55,554 --> 01:41:57,834
Speaker 4: who were interested in drafting. They're going to do their

2143
01:41:57,914 --> 01:42:02,354
Speaker 4: job regardless, and then after the draft you make your decisions.

2144
01:42:03,674 --> 01:42:07,034
Speaker 4: But again, whoever they decide on being the head coach,

2145
01:42:07,194 --> 01:42:11,394
Speaker 4: that person's going to have what they want. Let's see

2146
01:42:13,634 --> 01:42:16,434
Speaker 4: Camel from Georgia is there? He says, Is there any

2147
01:42:16,474 --> 01:42:19,714
Speaker 4: coaches you want to keep? Coaches you want to keep?

2148
01:42:20,034 --> 01:42:20,354
Speaker 5: Not me?

2149
01:42:20,794 --> 01:42:22,194
Speaker 9: No?

2150
01:42:23,234 --> 01:42:25,634
Speaker 4: Okay, cornerbacks coach, yep.

2151
01:42:25,674 --> 01:42:29,914
Speaker 9: I think he does a really good job. I wouldn't

2152
01:42:29,954 --> 01:42:34,234
Speaker 9: be totally opposed to some of the special teams coordinator coaches.

2153
01:42:35,034 --> 01:42:36,794
Speaker 4: Springer seems to have done a pretty good job.

2154
01:42:37,034 --> 01:42:38,994
Speaker 9: Tom Quinn I think is getting a lot of credit

2155
01:42:39,194 --> 01:42:42,194
Speaker 9: as well in that room, and he's a long time

2156
01:42:42,234 --> 01:42:45,234
Speaker 9: experienced special teams guy. But I don't have any I'm

2157
01:42:45,234 --> 01:42:47,554
Speaker 9: not going to bad for anybody. But if I had to.

2158
01:42:47,514 --> 01:42:50,834
Speaker 5: Go, can I just say, I'm not going to come

2159
01:42:50,874 --> 01:42:53,954
Speaker 5: on here and pull a Tampa tantrum. If you know

2160
01:42:53,994 --> 01:42:56,274
Speaker 5: there's a couple of guys that come back. I just

2161
01:42:56,474 --> 01:42:58,474
Speaker 5: look at it as I don't really think any element

2162
01:42:58,474 --> 01:43:01,034
Speaker 5: of the team was very good last year. I have

2163
01:43:01,114 --> 01:43:03,514
Speaker 5: no problem if they all go, That's that's all I'm saying.

2164
01:43:03,834 --> 01:43:06,314
Speaker 5: If they come back, if the guys that Evan and Mike.

2165
01:43:06,394 --> 01:43:08,994
Speaker 4: Like, well, we're definitely going to need a new strength

2166
01:43:09,034 --> 01:43:10,674
Speaker 4: and conditioning coordinator.

2167
01:43:10,954 --> 01:43:11,594
Speaker 9: Why is that friend?

2168
01:43:12,474 --> 01:43:15,594
Speaker 4: Well, it happens to be one's head coach's brother.

2169
01:43:15,874 --> 01:43:17,994
Speaker 5: What's the difference between the head coaches brother coming back

2170
01:43:17,994 --> 01:43:19,474
Speaker 5: and the head coach's son's coming back?

2171
01:43:20,354 --> 01:43:23,194
Speaker 4: You know, stranger things are happening already.

2172
01:43:23,394 --> 01:43:26,354
Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, like I know that darn Harmon

2173
01:43:26,674 --> 01:43:30,474
Speaker 5: Mayo is going to go. Was called him Harmon? Like

2174
01:43:30,634 --> 01:43:32,874
Speaker 5: Brian Belichick came back and his father got fired.

2175
01:43:33,194 --> 01:43:36,394
Speaker 4: Yeah, so well the guy never the guy that was

2176
01:43:36,434 --> 01:43:41,514
Speaker 4: Doran's uh, Deron Mayo's assistant Brian McDonough. H. He's been

2177
01:43:41,554 --> 01:43:44,354
Speaker 4: associated with the team for a long time, he might stays,

2178
01:43:44,434 --> 01:43:45,114
Speaker 4: he's very good.

2179
01:43:45,274 --> 01:43:47,514
Speaker 5: I associated with the team for a long time.

2180
01:43:47,514 --> 01:43:50,994
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, not on staff. But he was a guy

2181
01:43:51,034 --> 01:43:53,794
Speaker 4: who worked out guys in the off season a VP.

2182
01:43:54,114 --> 01:43:56,034
Speaker 5: Is that why you know him? Like you know high

2183
01:43:56,114 --> 01:43:57,354
Speaker 5: level meetings that you know?

2184
01:43:57,674 --> 01:44:00,754
Speaker 4: I know him from? I know him from other do

2185
01:44:00,834 --> 01:44:03,914
Speaker 4: you work you out? Might have been a family member?

2186
01:44:05,954 --> 01:44:07,674
Speaker 5: See, you never know when you pull a thread what

2187
01:44:07,754 --> 01:44:08,434
Speaker 5: you're gonna find?

2188
01:44:08,954 --> 01:44:11,914
Speaker 4: Uh, with the draft and the Patriots having so many holes,

2189
01:44:12,114 --> 01:44:14,754
Speaker 4: I'm fine with drafting anyone at pick four that fills

2190
01:44:14,754 --> 01:44:17,474
Speaker 4: a hole. What do you guys think? Yeah, sure, sure,

2191
01:44:17,514 --> 01:44:19,394
Speaker 4: there we go. And what do you do with the

2192
01:44:19,434 --> 01:44:22,354
Speaker 4: kicker position? Do you draft one or sign one?

2193
01:44:22,434 --> 01:44:23,354
Speaker 5: Do not draft one?

2194
01:44:23,474 --> 01:44:23,834
Speaker 7: Please?

2195
01:44:24,554 --> 01:44:26,714
Speaker 6: I try to get Sly back, and they already brought

2196
01:44:26,754 --> 01:44:29,434
Speaker 6: back Parker Romo. They signed him to a future contract.

2197
01:44:29,474 --> 01:44:31,594
Speaker 6: He was on the practice squad. So I mean, i'd

2198
01:44:31,594 --> 01:44:31,794
Speaker 6: like to.

2199
01:44:31,914 --> 01:44:33,994
Speaker 5: You know, you have seven names of the guys they

2200
01:44:33,994 --> 01:44:34,314
Speaker 5: signed it.

2201
01:44:34,394 --> 01:44:35,754
Speaker 6: Not off the top of my not off the top

2202
01:44:35,754 --> 01:44:36,914
Speaker 6: of my head, but I can tell you if you

2203
01:44:36,994 --> 01:44:37,634
Speaker 6: give me a second.

2204
01:44:37,954 --> 01:44:40,234
Speaker 4: Well, while you're doing that, I think we might have

2205
01:44:40,274 --> 01:44:43,754
Speaker 4: already mentioned this. Tom Peliasaro is reporting that the Bengals

2206
01:44:43,754 --> 01:44:46,394
Speaker 4: are interviewing or planned to interview, DeMarcus Covington.

2207
01:44:46,474 --> 01:44:47,874
Speaker 5: I don't think we said it on the air for

2208
01:44:47,914 --> 01:44:48,794
Speaker 5: their DC job.

2209
01:44:48,954 --> 01:44:52,194
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel caught with Pelisaro's a good source.

2210
01:44:52,554 --> 01:44:56,274
Speaker 9: Yeah, DeMarcus Covington was on the right track. You almost

2211
01:44:56,274 --> 01:44:58,714
Speaker 9: feel bad for him because he was he was headed

2212
01:44:58,754 --> 01:45:01,834
Speaker 9: in a head coaching direction. Many people thought he was

2213
01:45:01,834 --> 01:45:05,234
Speaker 9: on Tom Pelliser's list of future head coaching candidates earlier

2214
01:45:05,234 --> 01:45:09,634
Speaker 9: this season. Then obviously what's happens happened, so him catching

2215
01:45:09,634 --> 01:45:12,434
Speaker 9: on someplace else at that level would not be all

2216
01:45:12,474 --> 01:45:13,073
Speaker 9: that surprising.

2217
01:45:13,154 --> 01:45:14,514
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're ready for this list, Paul.

2218
01:45:14,794 --> 01:45:17,634
Speaker 6: This is Uh, let's see if I was gonna make

2219
01:45:17,674 --> 01:45:18,834
Speaker 6: up some names to see if I could get you.

2220
01:45:18,874 --> 01:45:19,594
Speaker 6: I want you that though.

2221
01:45:19,914 --> 01:45:20,794
Speaker 7: Caleb Jones.

2222
01:45:22,394 --> 01:45:25,514
Speaker 5: From Caleb Jones, John Giles.

2223
01:45:25,434 --> 01:45:27,914
Speaker 7: John Giles, you got the kicker that you are?

2224
01:45:29,874 --> 01:45:30,394
Speaker 23: Yeah?

2225
01:45:32,034 --> 01:45:34,034
Speaker 5: How about the kick thirty five guy? My guy? Is

2226
01:45:34,074 --> 01:45:37,034
Speaker 5: he one? They don't have to do it because he

2227
01:45:37,074 --> 01:45:37,674
Speaker 5: was on the roster.

2228
01:45:37,834 --> 01:45:41,354
Speaker 6: Yeah, he might be under contract though, because they signed

2229
01:45:41,394 --> 01:45:43,314
Speaker 6: him up to the promote him.

2230
01:45:43,314 --> 01:45:43,554
Speaker 4: All right.

2231
01:45:44,274 --> 01:45:47,834
Speaker 7: Mark Perry safety didn't see much of him. Uh.

2232
01:45:48,234 --> 01:45:52,234
Speaker 6: Marcus Harris, another defensive lineman, never really saw him.

2233
01:45:52,834 --> 01:45:53,234
Speaker 23: Uh.

2234
01:45:53,754 --> 01:45:56,554
Speaker 7: I think that's about it. Yeah, maybe missed one, but

2235
01:45:56,754 --> 01:45:59,474
Speaker 7: futures contracts, Giles Jones.

2236
01:46:00,874 --> 01:46:06,034
Speaker 4: Something just popped up on the Sports Boston uh show,

2237
01:46:06,874 --> 01:46:10,954
Speaker 4: Albert Breer's coming. This is his opinion that if the

2238
01:46:10,994 --> 01:46:14,514
Speaker 4: Patriots don't go through a thorough search, you know, it's

2239
01:46:14,554 --> 01:46:16,794
Speaker 4: going to be a really bad look for them, you know,

2240
01:46:16,874 --> 01:46:19,794
Speaker 4: based on what's happened. But here's the problem.

2241
01:46:19,994 --> 01:46:22,474
Speaker 5: Who's who decides where the thorough search.

2242
01:46:22,314 --> 01:46:25,754
Speaker 4: Who's well that? But here's the problem, Like, if the

2243
01:46:25,834 --> 01:46:30,114
Speaker 4: main two candidates are two guys right now, like they're

2244
01:46:30,114 --> 01:46:33,114
Speaker 4: the hot ones and you want one of them, don't

2245
01:46:33,114 --> 01:46:36,674
Speaker 4: you have to move fast because there's a lot of suitors, right,

2246
01:46:37,034 --> 01:46:38,634
Speaker 4: I mean, like we don't have I don't know if

2247
01:46:38,634 --> 01:46:40,354
Speaker 4: they have the luxury.

2248
01:46:40,234 --> 01:46:43,834
Speaker 6: Of rolling out fifteen guys over the next three weeks if.

2249
01:46:44,754 --> 01:46:46,113
Speaker 4: They want one of those two.

2250
01:46:45,954 --> 01:46:49,034
Speaker 5: Guys, so that it's not a thorough search, right.

2251
01:46:48,514 --> 01:46:51,154
Speaker 4: But but it could be out of necessity that they

2252
01:46:51,194 --> 01:46:53,394
Speaker 4: have to move fast. But it's what I'm saying.

2253
01:46:53,394 --> 01:46:55,194
Speaker 5: But if you're having a thorough search, you don't know

2254
01:46:55,234 --> 01:46:58,234
Speaker 5: that you have to move fast. What do you mean

2255
01:46:58,754 --> 01:47:00,714
Speaker 5: if you don't know who the coach is and you're

2256
01:47:00,714 --> 01:47:04,714
Speaker 5: going to interview, say ten guys, there's no need to

2257
01:47:04,994 --> 01:47:06,394
Speaker 5: Why would I know I have to move.

2258
01:47:06,274 --> 01:47:08,354
Speaker 4: Fast because you want one of those two guys?

2259
01:47:08,354 --> 01:47:10,994
Speaker 5: Correct, So it's not a thorough search, okay, because you

2260
01:47:11,114 --> 01:47:12,354
Speaker 5: know which one you want already.

2261
01:47:12,394 --> 01:47:15,434
Speaker 4: But I think the consensus of everyone is those are

2262
01:47:15,474 --> 01:47:18,554
Speaker 4: the two best candidates, So don't you want one of

2263
01:47:18,594 --> 01:47:19,874
Speaker 4: the two best candidates.

2264
01:47:20,954 --> 01:47:23,314
Speaker 5: There's not the consensus of me, I have no idea

2265
01:47:23,354 --> 01:47:25,834
Speaker 5: who's available. I don't know what these guys. Well, I

2266
01:47:25,834 --> 01:47:29,154
Speaker 5: don't want Byron Leftwich. No, he's been out of football

2267
01:47:29,154 --> 01:47:30,434
Speaker 5: for two years. I'm going to guess no.

2268
01:47:31,154 --> 01:47:33,474
Speaker 9: But like, no of all that, No, seriously.

2269
01:47:33,714 --> 01:47:36,594
Speaker 5: When a better candidate. I have no idea, right.

2270
01:47:36,514 --> 01:47:39,554
Speaker 4: So I'm just saying all these names out there, like

2271
01:47:41,074 --> 01:47:44,314
Speaker 4: it seems like people in the know say that the

2272
01:47:44,394 --> 01:47:46,914
Speaker 4: two top the two prizes of this.

2273
01:47:47,114 --> 01:47:48,754
Speaker 5: But don't you think that's because they know that those

2274
01:47:48,794 --> 01:47:52,113
Speaker 5: are the only two guys I don't know, And I'm sorry, Well.

2275
01:47:51,954 --> 01:47:55,114
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't I don't know what other guys.

2276
01:47:55,354 --> 01:47:58,274
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know any of these other guys.

2277
01:47:58,274 --> 01:48:00,314
Speaker 4: I'm just basing it off there.

2278
01:48:00,554 --> 01:48:03,194
Speaker 9: You're right. I mean Ben Johnson's been at the top

2279
01:48:03,194 --> 01:48:05,114
Speaker 9: of the list for three cycles now this is the

2280
01:48:05,154 --> 01:48:07,634
Speaker 9: third cycle that he is a top name in the

2281
01:48:07,674 --> 01:48:08,914
Speaker 9: coaching cycle.

2282
01:48:08,954 --> 01:48:11,714
Speaker 5: And you wouldn't have to go fast for him. You

2283
01:48:11,754 --> 01:48:13,194
Speaker 5: got me, You get all the time in your world

2284
01:48:13,234 --> 01:48:14,914
Speaker 5: do you want for him? He's going to be in

2285
01:48:14,914 --> 01:48:18,474
Speaker 5: the playoffs for a while. Yeah, you can't hire him.

2286
01:48:18,434 --> 01:48:19,474
Speaker 9: Not until the end.

2287
01:48:20,034 --> 01:48:22,394
Speaker 4: Well, you're interviewing him, right, you can interview you can't

2288
01:48:22,394 --> 01:48:25,114
Speaker 4: make him an offer, sure, but you can't sign him. No,

2289
01:48:25,274 --> 01:48:28,314
Speaker 4: but you can make them you know, you can make

2290
01:48:28,354 --> 01:48:31,194
Speaker 4: it a handshake deal. No rush, this is what you're

2291
01:48:31,194 --> 01:48:31,714
Speaker 4: talking about.

2292
01:48:31,754 --> 01:48:34,234
Speaker 5: No rush, there's no rush. You can't sign with anybody.

2293
01:48:34,314 --> 01:48:36,234
Speaker 4: He can't. But he can agree to a deal.

2294
01:48:36,794 --> 01:48:39,874
Speaker 5: You always just tell me, you know, don't take don't

2295
01:48:39,914 --> 01:48:41,634
Speaker 5: agree to any deals. When you're done with the play.

2296
01:48:41,674 --> 01:48:44,194
Speaker 5: We want to respect for you. I want you to

2297
01:48:44,234 --> 01:48:46,114
Speaker 5: put your best foot forward for the Detroit Lions. You

2298
01:48:46,194 --> 01:48:48,714
Speaker 5: work for the Detroit Lions. But give us an opportunity

2299
01:48:48,674 --> 01:48:51,314
Speaker 5: to meet with you again when when your season's over.

2300
01:48:51,514 --> 01:48:55,634
Speaker 4: Okay, what if another team during this cycle says, here's

2301
01:48:55,674 --> 01:48:57,754
Speaker 4: the deal we will offer you. We would like a

2302
01:48:57,834 --> 01:48:58,394
Speaker 4: yes or no.

2303
01:48:58,394 --> 01:49:02,314
Speaker 5: Now, you got to make sure that he doesn't do that.

2304
01:49:02,514 --> 01:49:04,034
Speaker 4: I know, that's what I'm saying.

2305
01:49:04,114 --> 01:49:06,874
Speaker 5: So then you're not having research. That's all I'm saying. No,

2306
01:49:06,914 --> 01:49:09,794
Speaker 5: if identified two guys, you're right, and if you ask me,

2307
01:49:09,834 --> 01:49:13,554
Speaker 5: they've identified one. I couldn't make it myself, but i'm not.

2308
01:49:13,754 --> 01:49:15,954
Speaker 5: I failed like I only made it one more minute.

2309
01:49:16,274 --> 01:49:19,754
Speaker 4: You're right, you're right. You're you're saying that we want

2310
01:49:19,754 --> 01:49:22,954
Speaker 4: one of these two guys But what I'm asking is,

2311
01:49:22,994 --> 01:49:26,514
Speaker 4: are there anybody that the good as those two guys?

2312
01:49:26,714 --> 01:49:28,394
Speaker 5: I think that you know his name?

2313
01:49:28,474 --> 01:49:31,074
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you if you let these two guys go

2314
01:49:31,314 --> 01:49:33,514
Speaker 4: and you don't get them, are you failing.

2315
01:49:33,954 --> 01:49:36,954
Speaker 9: I think there's I think there's one other guy that

2316
01:49:38,234 --> 01:49:41,073
Speaker 9: there's complications, So I don't know if it's a true candidate,

2317
01:49:41,074 --> 01:49:43,114
Speaker 9: But Brian Flores is the only other guy that I

2318
01:49:43,154 --> 01:49:45,634
Speaker 9: think is in the category with those two. If you

2319
01:49:45,754 --> 01:49:47,994
Speaker 9: throw out the lawsuit against the league, which is a

2320
01:49:47,994 --> 01:49:50,754
Speaker 9: big thing to just throw out, but just on merit,

2321
01:49:51,714 --> 01:49:53,594
Speaker 9: it to me it's a two and a half horse

2322
01:49:53,674 --> 01:49:55,674
Speaker 9: race just on marriage. I know you're able, John's I

2323
01:49:55,714 --> 01:49:56,114
Speaker 9: get your.

2324
01:49:55,994 --> 01:50:00,114
Speaker 5: Point for it. I just I just feel like I

2325
01:50:00,114 --> 01:50:02,634
Speaker 5: I push back a little bit that they're really interested

2326
01:50:02,674 --> 01:50:05,194
Speaker 5: in anybody other than No, but the guys that you.

2327
01:50:05,394 --> 01:50:07,954
Speaker 4: Think about these guys as free agents, you know, like

2328
01:50:08,034 --> 01:50:10,554
Speaker 4: if and these are wide receivers, if the two top

2329
01:50:10,634 --> 01:50:14,594
Speaker 4: wide receivers are out there and you're you know, taking

2330
01:50:14,634 --> 01:50:16,274
Speaker 4: your time, you're going to miss out on the two

2331
01:50:16,354 --> 01:50:17,274
Speaker 4: best wide receivers.

2332
01:50:17,314 --> 01:50:19,634
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's not apples to apples because you don't

2333
01:50:19,674 --> 01:50:22,154
Speaker 5: have to wait until the season's over to sign a

2334
01:50:22,594 --> 01:50:25,954
Speaker 5: wide receiver like that you have to wait to free agency.

2335
01:50:25,954 --> 01:50:27,434
Speaker 5: Everybody starts in the same spot.

2336
01:50:27,594 --> 01:50:27,874
Speaker 4: I know.

2337
01:50:28,274 --> 01:50:29,554
Speaker 5: Like, so that's but.

2338
01:50:29,514 --> 01:50:31,354
Speaker 4: If you don't act quickly, you lose out.

2339
01:50:31,554 --> 01:50:34,194
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so I know the Patriots lost out when

2340
01:50:34,234 --> 01:50:36,554
Speaker 5: they signed Bill Belichick, but they waited until February to

2341
01:50:36,594 --> 01:50:37,914
Speaker 5: do it and won six Super Bowls.

2342
01:50:37,914 --> 01:50:39,714
Speaker 4: Well, they had to give up a first round pick

2343
01:50:39,754 --> 01:50:44,154
Speaker 4: to do that. That wasn't apples to apples.

2344
01:50:43,354 --> 01:50:46,154
Speaker 5: It's not. But what I'm saying is, let's not equate

2345
01:50:46,394 --> 01:50:50,034
Speaker 5: waiting with failing, because it doesn't mean that you failed.

2346
01:50:50,034 --> 01:50:52,954
Speaker 5: If you take a little time to make the.

2347
01:50:52,954 --> 01:50:54,794
Speaker 4: Right you fail to get the one of the two

2348
01:50:54,794 --> 01:50:55,434
Speaker 4: best guys.

2349
01:50:56,994 --> 01:50:58,714
Speaker 5: No, you failed to get one of the two guys

2350
01:50:58,714 --> 01:50:59,794
Speaker 5: that you've identified.

2351
01:51:00,274 --> 01:51:03,834
Speaker 4: Everybody's identified, doesn't right, I know, but it.

2352
01:51:03,834 --> 01:51:07,594
Speaker 5: Just seems as I believe that there's only two candidates.

2353
01:51:07,914 --> 01:51:10,394
Speaker 4: But Paul, it just seems to be such a consensus

2354
01:51:10,634 --> 01:51:11,874
Speaker 4: among everybody.

2355
01:51:11,474 --> 01:51:13,794
Speaker 5: Because they know who the Patriots are interested in. That's

2356
01:51:13,834 --> 01:51:15,154
Speaker 5: the consensus, friend.

2357
01:51:14,954 --> 01:51:18,994
Speaker 4: No consensus among the league that these are the two

2358
01:51:19,554 --> 01:51:20,994
Speaker 4: prizes of this cycle.

2359
01:51:21,194 --> 01:51:24,074
Speaker 5: Listen, Ben Johnson, as Evan just said, has been at

2360
01:51:24,074 --> 01:51:25,714
Speaker 5: the top of this carouself for a while.

2361
01:51:25,914 --> 01:51:28,354
Speaker 4: And only because he didn't want to get into the pool.

2362
01:51:29,074 --> 01:51:30,994
Speaker 4: Is he not a head coach? Right?

2363
01:51:31,034 --> 01:51:33,394
Speaker 5: But people are talking about this because those are the

2364
01:51:33,394 --> 01:51:35,754
Speaker 5: two guys that are tied, right. They're not talking about,

2365
01:51:35,994 --> 01:51:39,954
Speaker 5: you know, Joe Brady, who's also getting interviews laughing, right,

2366
01:51:39,994 --> 01:51:41,474
Speaker 5: How do you know he's not better than all of them?

2367
01:51:41,514 --> 01:51:43,474
Speaker 4: I don't know that, and neither and will.

2368
01:51:43,354 --> 01:51:46,954
Speaker 5: Never know because we're not interested. Well, we're interested in

2369
01:51:46,994 --> 01:51:49,354
Speaker 5: the two that we've identified because the media is telling

2370
01:51:49,434 --> 01:51:52,314
Speaker 5: us these are the two guys. It's that media, not

2371
01:51:52,874 --> 01:51:55,594
Speaker 5: the Patriots. I'm talking about us, Like we've identified these

2372
01:51:55,674 --> 01:51:56,594
Speaker 5: two us.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, certainly. I have no idea.

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Speaker 5: Now listen, I said at the start of the show,

2375
01:52:01,594 --> 01:52:04,914
Speaker 5: and I'll say it now too, Like if it's Mike Rabel,

2376
01:52:04,994 --> 01:52:07,474
Speaker 5: I love Mike Rabel, I think he's a really good coach. Like,

2377
01:52:07,674 --> 01:52:09,634
Speaker 5: I don't want this to be coming off like I'm

2378
01:52:09,634 --> 01:52:13,474
Speaker 5: going to be disappointed Mike, and I certainly won't be disappointed.

2379
01:52:13,514 --> 01:52:16,954
Speaker 5: If it's the next sort of you know, new fangled

2380
01:52:17,114 --> 01:52:20,113
Speaker 5: offensive mastermind in Ben Johnson, that's not going to disappoint

2381
01:52:20,154 --> 01:52:20,474
Speaker 5: me either.

2382
01:52:20,754 --> 01:52:23,354
Speaker 4: But all I'm saying is, while we're being thorough, these

2383
01:52:23,394 --> 01:52:24,594
Speaker 4: two guys are going to get job.

2384
01:52:24,674 --> 01:52:26,754
Speaker 5: I like these two guys, and if they get one

2385
01:52:26,794 --> 01:52:28,714
Speaker 5: of those two guys, I think you probably would look

2386
01:52:28,714 --> 01:52:31,474
Speaker 5: at a success. But I don't really think that you're

2387
01:52:31,954 --> 01:52:33,234
Speaker 5: conducting a wide search.

2388
01:52:33,394 --> 01:52:34,354
Speaker 4: That's all could be.

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01:52:34,634 --> 01:52:37,234
Speaker 9: And maybe this does change, but I just think that

2390
01:52:38,074 --> 01:52:42,394
Speaker 9: to see today Pep Hamilton and Byron Lefwich getting in

2391
01:52:42,474 --> 01:52:47,394
Speaker 9: person interviews as coaching free agents, it just it just doesn't.

2392
01:52:47,514 --> 01:52:48,634
Speaker 9: It rose me the wrong way.

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01:52:49,034 --> 01:52:50,474
Speaker 4: Well, that's all I mean.

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01:52:50,594 --> 01:52:54,994
Speaker 9: Yeah, And so now we're just gonna like I just

2395
01:52:55,114 --> 01:52:56,954
Speaker 9: I want to know in the press conference is because

2396
01:52:56,994 --> 01:52:59,274
Speaker 9: this is like we're getting to the point where this

2397
01:52:59,354 --> 01:53:02,434
Speaker 9: thing is obviously already been been wrapped up.

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01:53:02,714 --> 01:53:04,794
Speaker 5: And that's I guess That's all I'm saying is I

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01:53:05,634 --> 01:53:10,034
Speaker 5: wish that we were interviewing more people, interested in more people.

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01:53:10,074 --> 01:53:11,634
Speaker 4: I wish there were more people to interview.

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01:53:12,674 --> 01:53:14,114
Speaker 5: And there's a ton of people to interview.

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01:53:14,234 --> 01:53:16,394
Speaker 4: I mean, like top quality guys.

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01:53:16,674 --> 01:53:18,394
Speaker 5: I think there were a ton of people to interview.

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01:53:18,434 --> 01:53:20,954
Speaker 9: Really yeah, I think if you look at the lists,

2405
01:53:21,114 --> 01:53:23,914
Speaker 9: you know, if they were interviewing I don't need it

2406
01:53:23,914 --> 01:53:27,714
Speaker 9: to be fifteen guys, but if they were interviewing Rabel

2407
01:53:28,154 --> 01:53:33,514
Speaker 9: Johnson Brady, Aaron Glenn, Brian Flores like those.

2408
01:53:33,434 --> 01:53:35,394
Speaker 5: Liam Cohen, those are the top guys.

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01:53:35,634 --> 01:53:38,554
Speaker 9: So if you interview five, four or five six of

2410
01:53:38,594 --> 01:53:41,714
Speaker 9: those guys, then that's a legitimate search and it.

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01:53:41,714 --> 01:53:44,074
Speaker 5: Could still come back to and I would agree with you.

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01:53:45,114 --> 01:53:47,674
Speaker 5: Rabel and Johnson, those are the two top ones. Like

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01:53:47,714 --> 01:53:50,434
Speaker 5: I don't let's push what happens. I'm not pushing back

2414
01:53:50,514 --> 01:53:50,994
Speaker 5: on that at all.

2415
01:53:51,034 --> 01:53:53,514
Speaker 4: I mean about these two guys today, but I don't

2416
01:53:53,554 --> 01:53:55,474
Speaker 4: know who the rest of the week they're gonna interview.

2417
01:53:55,834 --> 01:53:59,034
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I'll we'll have a show on Thursday,

2418
01:53:59,194 --> 01:54:01,514
Speaker 5: and you know, maybe they've interviewed four other guys and

2419
01:54:01,514 --> 01:54:03,634
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is That's all I wanted to thank you.

2420
01:54:04,234 --> 01:54:05,754
Speaker 5: This is exactly what I was hoping for.

2421
01:54:05,794 --> 01:54:08,954
Speaker 4: I've seen other teams, like you know, go on social

2422
01:54:08,954 --> 01:54:11,074
Speaker 4: media and list the interviews they have lined up. We

2423
01:54:11,834 --> 01:54:14,194
Speaker 4: haven't done that or won't do that. I don't know, but.

2424
01:54:14,754 --> 01:54:17,354
Speaker 5: That'd be great. But if they teams are moving fast,

2425
01:54:17,474 --> 01:54:19,874
Speaker 5: you know, like if that happens, I'd be I'd really

2426
01:54:19,914 --> 01:54:22,514
Speaker 5: be happy about that. And then again it can be Rabel.

2427
01:54:22,634 --> 01:54:23,434
Speaker 5: I'm fine with that.

2428
01:54:23,634 --> 01:54:27,674
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go to Ian and Raleigh North Carolina. What's up? Ian?

2429
01:54:28,834 --> 01:54:28,994
Speaker 5: Hi?

2430
01:54:29,034 --> 01:54:29,834
Speaker 26: How are you guys?

2431
01:54:29,874 --> 01:54:30,474
Speaker 4: Good? Hello?

2432
01:54:31,794 --> 01:54:33,314
Speaker 26: I just wanted to call because you know, I've been

2433
01:54:33,354 --> 01:54:35,154
Speaker 26: talking with a lot of my friends here actually in

2434
01:54:35,234 --> 01:54:37,634
Speaker 26: North Carolina about the Patriots head coach and search and

2435
01:54:37,674 --> 01:54:40,834
Speaker 26: everything like that. Kind of what we determined was, I

2436
01:54:40,874 --> 01:54:44,074
Speaker 26: hope that the fans can understand that while I don't

2437
01:54:44,074 --> 01:54:48,074
Speaker 26: always agree with it, Mike Grabile was fired from Tennessee,

2438
01:54:48,234 --> 01:54:49,714
Speaker 26: and I think he's a great head coach and I

2439
01:54:49,754 --> 01:54:51,314
Speaker 26: would be happy with him, and the same thing with

2440
01:54:51,354 --> 01:54:55,874
Speaker 26: it Jonathan. He's never head coached like anywhere before. So

2441
01:54:56,034 --> 01:54:58,434
Speaker 26: I just worry that, you know, these things take time,

2442
01:54:58,554 --> 01:55:00,274
Speaker 26: that one of these guys is going to get in

2443
01:55:00,314 --> 01:55:02,394
Speaker 26: here and it's not going as well as fans hoped

2444
01:55:02,394 --> 01:55:05,074
Speaker 26: it would early, and that we don't give up like

2445
01:55:06,114 --> 01:55:08,674
Speaker 26: a year in, we're doing this again. I just hope

2446
01:55:08,674 --> 01:55:11,194
Speaker 26: like fans can understand that Ben Johnson many a little

2447
01:55:11,234 --> 01:55:13,114
Speaker 26: time once gets in to be a head coach.

2448
01:55:13,314 --> 01:55:15,634
Speaker 4: Well, Ian, I hear what you're saying, and I hope

2449
01:55:15,714 --> 01:55:18,634
Speaker 4: I agree with you. But what if it looks as

2450
01:55:18,714 --> 01:55:22,354
Speaker 4: bad or worse than Gerard's first year? What do you do?

2451
01:55:22,634 --> 01:55:23,354
Speaker 5: I pulled a plug?

2452
01:55:24,514 --> 01:55:27,754
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well that's the thing. That's the thing I.

2453
01:55:30,634 --> 01:55:31,634
Speaker 5: Pulled the plug, right.

2454
01:55:31,634 --> 01:55:33,474
Speaker 9: I don't think there's any chance of that happening.

2455
01:55:33,514 --> 01:55:37,474
Speaker 5: Well, then I agree.

2456
01:55:34,754 --> 01:55:40,234
Speaker 4: I don't think it can't make a blanket statement that

2457
01:55:40,274 --> 01:55:43,034
Speaker 4: you always need to give a person time, not when

2458
01:55:43,034 --> 01:55:44,514
Speaker 4: it's a complete because it was.

2459
01:55:44,674 --> 01:55:46,674
Speaker 5: He didn't get fired because they went four and thirteen.

2460
01:55:46,794 --> 01:55:49,594
Speaker 4: Right. It's just extremely But I agree with Ian. You

2461
01:55:49,714 --> 01:55:54,154
Speaker 4: hope that whoever it is shows enough promise that you're

2462
01:55:54,194 --> 01:55:55,114
Speaker 4: giving them time.

2463
01:55:55,234 --> 01:55:57,154
Speaker 9: There's no doubt that the personnel side of it is

2464
01:55:57,194 --> 01:55:59,794
Speaker 9: going to have to catch up. But it just is

2465
01:55:59,914 --> 01:56:03,154
Speaker 9: really encouraging to me that Ben Johnson has held his

2466
01:56:03,274 --> 01:56:06,354
Speaker 9: water for as long as he has. Give you another example,

2467
01:56:06,394 --> 01:56:09,274
Speaker 9: like Tamiko Ryans did the same thing. Demiko Ryans could

2468
01:56:09,274 --> 01:56:11,114
Speaker 9: have been a head coach two years earlier than what

2469
01:56:11,154 --> 01:56:13,674
Speaker 9: he ended up being in Houston because he said, I'm

2470
01:56:13,674 --> 01:56:15,834
Speaker 9: going to learn. I'm going to be patient, I'm going

2471
01:56:15,874 --> 01:56:17,754
Speaker 9: to wait for the right job. I'm going to learn

2472
01:56:17,794 --> 01:56:20,554
Speaker 9: the tricks of the trade. I'm going to be ready

2473
01:56:20,634 --> 01:56:23,514
Speaker 9: when my opportunity comes. I'm going to be ready. And

2474
01:56:23,554 --> 01:56:26,274
Speaker 9: that's exactly what Ben Johnson has done. And so I

2475
01:56:26,314 --> 01:56:28,354
Speaker 9: just can't imagine that he's finally going to make the

2476
01:56:28,434 --> 01:56:31,274
Speaker 9: leap and be an epic disaster. He's got too much training.

2477
01:56:31,434 --> 01:56:35,034
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go to Boston Cream. What's up Boston Cream?

2478
01:56:36,474 --> 01:56:38,434
Speaker 25: Hey guys, I feel like I'm the last collar here.

2479
01:56:38,434 --> 01:56:41,234
Speaker 25: I'm like the hammer and curling or like the closer.

2480
01:56:41,514 --> 01:56:41,714
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2481
01:56:42,394 --> 01:56:44,194
Speaker 25: Uh quick question for Evan.

2482
01:56:44,314 --> 01:56:45,114
Speaker 7: Have you washed?

2483
01:56:45,234 --> 01:56:48,034
Speaker 25: I have you watched Josh Simmons? And what do you think?

2484
01:56:49,114 --> 01:56:50,514
Speaker 9: I have watched Josh Simmons?

2485
01:56:50,594 --> 01:56:52,354
Speaker 25: Yes, what do you think?

2486
01:56:53,634 --> 01:56:56,234
Speaker 9: It's a it's a it's a tough one with context

2487
01:56:56,234 --> 01:56:57,874
Speaker 9: that I don't know if we have four minutes for.

2488
01:56:58,034 --> 01:57:01,234
Speaker 9: But you know, he was very, very good against bad competition,

2489
01:57:01,514 --> 01:57:04,074
Speaker 9: so we never got to see him against the top

2490
01:57:04,154 --> 01:57:07,594
Speaker 9: level competition on Ohio State schedule. So that's the catch is.

2491
01:57:07,794 --> 01:57:10,434
Speaker 9: You know, when he's playing Iowa and Michigan State and

2492
01:57:10,634 --> 01:57:13,674
Speaker 9: you know whatever, you know, Western Michigan and all these schools,

2493
01:57:13,834 --> 01:57:16,234
Speaker 9: he looked dominant. But would he have done the same

2494
01:57:16,354 --> 01:57:21,634
Speaker 9: against you know, Michigan, Oregon, you know the college football playoff?

2495
01:57:21,674 --> 01:57:24,514
Speaker 9: Now we don't know he got hurt.

2496
01:57:25,594 --> 01:57:26,314
Speaker 25: That's very fair.

2497
01:57:26,354 --> 01:57:28,394
Speaker 4: I feel like, can you fill me in on Hua.

2498
01:57:28,514 --> 01:57:31,794
Speaker 5: He's a twenty twenty three version of college tackles yeah.

2499
01:57:33,394 --> 01:57:33,674
Speaker 7: Version.

2500
01:57:33,834 --> 01:57:37,274
Speaker 9: He was Ohio State's left tackle and he's got all

2501
01:57:37,314 --> 01:57:42,274
Speaker 9: of the tools, you know, long, athletic, explosive, great blocker.

2502
01:57:42,914 --> 01:57:45,274
Speaker 9: But he got hurt after five games this year, blew

2503
01:57:45,274 --> 01:57:48,794
Speaker 9: out his knee towards a cluh pretty severe injury, and

2504
01:57:48,834 --> 01:57:51,354
Speaker 9: so he did get to the meat of Ohio State schedule,

2505
01:57:51,394 --> 01:57:54,354
Speaker 9: so he didn't actually play the tough opponents this year.

2506
01:57:54,554 --> 01:57:57,994
Speaker 9: So he dominated bad competition in the year.

2507
01:57:58,234 --> 01:58:01,034
Speaker 7: Right, that wasn't very bostible creamy.

2508
01:58:01,314 --> 01:58:04,634
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a real football question, but he's very cerebral.

2509
01:58:04,634 --> 01:58:06,434
Speaker 7: What are we doing well?

2510
01:58:06,474 --> 01:58:08,474
Speaker 25: And my next question is, how come no one's talking

2511
01:58:08,514 --> 01:58:09,394
Speaker 25: about urban Meyer?

2512
01:58:10,154 --> 01:58:12,714
Speaker 5: There you go, you go, Okay, way to bring Now

2513
01:58:12,794 --> 01:58:14,674
Speaker 5: you really are the closer. Good job, Boston.

2514
01:58:15,714 --> 01:58:18,634
Speaker 9: There are some college coaches in the cycle, not Urban Meyer.

2515
01:58:18,794 --> 01:58:20,194
Speaker 4: Well, what about Steve Sarkisian.

2516
01:58:20,314 --> 01:58:22,274
Speaker 9: I love that idea, but it's not going to happen.

2517
01:58:22,514 --> 01:58:23,594
Speaker 4: Why coach?

2518
01:58:23,714 --> 01:58:26,074
Speaker 9: I just don't think they'll do that because you know,

2519
01:58:26,114 --> 01:58:29,674
Speaker 9: there's obviously a stigma against hiring college coaches like him.

2520
01:58:29,794 --> 01:58:32,674
Speaker 9: I love Steven, but he has NFL experience. He has

2521
01:58:32,794 --> 01:58:36,354
Speaker 9: NFL experience. That's that's the difference. If he's coordinated at

2522
01:58:36,354 --> 01:58:40,874
Speaker 9: the NFL level successfully with Atlanta. But he's yeah, he's

2523
01:58:40,874 --> 01:58:43,234
Speaker 9: one of the best offensive minds at any level of football,

2524
01:58:43,354 --> 01:58:44,994
Speaker 9: but he's a college coach.

2525
01:58:45,354 --> 01:58:49,194
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well listen. That's it for this edition

2526
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Speaker 5: Times Catch twenty two twelve to two, twelve to two.

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