1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this special holiday edition 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: of the Daily Zeitgeys, in which we are going to 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: talk about Star Wars, Star Wars um the Last Jedi uh, 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: and we have a couple of special guests. We have 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Danny Fernandez. I am here, I'm enjoying the Star War talk. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: There will be no better guests, and we're thrilled to 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: be joined by our writer J M McNab. Hey, guys, 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Hey all the way from the 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Great White North. I think I wanted to just preface 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: this conversation by saying that I have heard many takes 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: on this movie, uh since it came out, and we 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: mentioned this on last week's episode. Star Wars is so 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: close to people that I don't think everybody has the 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: same reaction. Like, I think it's uniquely divisive, and I 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: think people's reactions and the things they focus on, like, 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: I've heard a bunch of people who liked it the 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: same amount as me, but who disliked completely different things 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: about it than me. I've heard people who loved the 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: things I hated, hated the things I loved. It all 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: depends on your relationship to Star Wars, and you know, 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: everybody has grown up with Star Wars, so it's but 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: some people definitely got way crazier than other too, like 23 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: real crazy Danny, How what what? What's your relationships Star Wars? 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: Like you know, I grew up what I didn't see 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: it originally in theaters, which apparently some people on the 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: internet think that that's got awful because I have heard no. 27 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: When Force Awakens came out, I had a guy that 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: was like, Star Wars is mind, Like I saw it 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: in theaters before you were born. I'm like, okay, why 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: don't you write Daisy Ridley and John Boyega then too, 31 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: because they also didn't see it in theaters. Fans are 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: so You're right, fans are so possessive of it, and 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: it's like you gotta let it's not entirely you. You 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: don't get to claim the whole fandom for yourself. I 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: think a lot of people what I've been seeing, like 36 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: like you said, like online, is that people had these 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: theories about what was going to happen when it didn't happen. 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: If everything that you wanted to happen happened, you would 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: have said it was just like huge fan service. You know, 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this was predictable is another thing. And then 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: if nothing happened that you wanted it to happen, the 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: same thing. People are still saying. You know, it's fan 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: service to these fans. Oh, that's super predictable. I think 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: it's a lose lose either way. I think people are 45 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: taking it way too seriously. The fact that Johnson got 46 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: like death threats is insane. That to me means that 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: you're not an actual Star Wars fan, because Luke and 48 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: Leah and Haunt like they wouldn't want you to be 49 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: doing those things right exactly. Well, I guess first you 50 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: mhould go around and everyone state if they are on 51 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: the I loved it, vote the I didn't like it, 52 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: Bote I liked it. But everyone but you guys, you 53 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: didn't say it. This is spoilers right crazy right here, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers. 54 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: If you do not want to know what the funk happened, 55 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: to turn it off now. Otherwise, prepare to have the 56 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: film ruined. Bloom. You're welcome. I feel like that would 57 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: have been okay. I love the part where Samuel L. 58 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: Jackson showed up, But okay, so jack, what where do 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: you fall in terms of this continuum of people who 60 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: like or hate the film. I thought it was okay. 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: I really wanted to love it, and I did not 62 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: love it, but not for the reasons that I've heard 63 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: most people not loving it. Danny, how about you? I 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: thought it was okay as well. I enjoyed it. I 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: mainly like the last forty minutes, like I thought those 66 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: were great. I really like that when ship started happening, Yeah, exactly, 67 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: and I understand the other parts of it, but it 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: didn't feel the same to me. I didn't feel the 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: same as like other Star Wars films to me, which 70 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: is okay. I figured when I was leaving the theater 71 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: that like a lot of people would love it, and 72 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that so many people would also not. Yeah, 73 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: am I'm assuming you've seen it as well. How where 74 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: do you fall on this? Yeah? I really liked to, like, 75 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: maybe close to loved it when I saw it. There 76 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: were definitely like some weird parts, but overall, yeah, I 77 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: really liked it. I also saw it like the very 78 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: first screening on Thursday night, and I hadn't read the reviews, 79 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: so I went in pretty like like I didn't know 80 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: what to expect. In terms of of how other people 81 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: were we're feeling. So I was pretty surprised to hear 82 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: all the hate. I thought, like everyone in my theater 83 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. I also went to a theater where 84 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: they sell wine, so I had a couple of glasses 85 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: of red wine while I watched it. So and I 86 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: was the trick. I was surprised to also, that's interesting 87 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: because I went with somebody who had a couple of 88 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: drinks beforehand. I did not drink. The person who had 89 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: a couple of drinks really liked it way more than me. 90 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: I was actually shocked to not like it as much 91 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: as I did because of how glowing the reviews were. 92 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: Like we we talked last week about how Metacritic has 93 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: it like in eighties six, which you know, rotten tomatoes 94 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: can be off because it's like, you know, you're trying 95 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: to get everything down to a thumbs up or thumbs down, 96 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: but like Metacritic goes into detailed scores for each review, 97 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: you would think. I don't know, it was just it 98 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: was surprising to me that it wasn't, you know, an 99 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: all out win. Yeah. I I'm in the kind of 100 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: a boat like the rest of you. Guys, Like, I 101 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: didn't hate it, but there are parts that definitely bummed 102 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: me out as a Star Wars fan like that, I 103 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: just I wasn't enthusiastic about. And I don't know if 104 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: we want to go like line by line or things 105 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: like that, but I think I'll say a couple of things. Right, 106 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: I thought there were really dope parts, and then there 107 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: are parts that made me scratch my head that I 108 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: was like, is this real? Like why did Luke have 109 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: to drink the titty milk? That thing? That was one 110 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: thing that I thought was a little They have comedy 111 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: stuff in the original Star Wars. Okay, another thing, why 112 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: did Laura durn have to have like purple hair? Like 113 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: why couldn't you know, Like my complaints aren't really big, 114 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: Like I'm not like, oh, I'm so pissed about this 115 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: character or whatever. I was just like little things. I'm like, 116 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: you know, Laura during his character was interested. And my 117 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: favorite part was when she just strayed up Kamakazi herself 118 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: at light speed. That was the dopest ship I've ever seen, 119 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: like this turn in the film, right, Like yeah, I 120 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: was like, oh damn yeah, when she nine eleven at 121 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: light speed. That was pretty crazy. But I also think 122 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: that was pretty crazy, like there were two things like 123 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: that where you were rooting for the person who was 124 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: driving a thing into another thing, like nine eleven brand too. 125 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, that's that's crazy that we flipped 126 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: that much. But I thought the scene with Snoke when 127 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: Smoke got got uh and the whole like palace guard 128 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: scene was one of my favorite scenes in Star Wars 129 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: in a long time. I loved the light speed nine 130 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: eleven even though uh, somebody pointed out that, like, well, 131 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: doesn't that just mean you could have always done that, 132 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: Like you could have done that to the Death Star, 133 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: you could do that to anything at all times ever 134 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: in the history. Yeah, but that's a big But that 135 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: ship itself that they were in, that's like one of 136 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: the only ships that they have, So that's why it 137 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: was big for the rebellion. That's why they didn't want 138 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: to get They couldn't forfeit that ship. That meant a 139 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: lot to them. It was one of their resources. Have 140 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: to add it like a scene a New Hope where 141 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: like all the X Wing pilots are talking about like 142 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: I don't I don't really want to do that. Maybe 143 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to don't. Like. A small squadron of 144 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: X wings achieved the similar thing too, because they can 145 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: also warp, yeah, kill themselves yeah like if if. But 146 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: that's the thing that is that the rebellion is so 147 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: small that they don't want to lose. They don't Yeah, 148 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: they're not going to go into something or at least 149 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: their generals aren't going to want them to just kill themselves. Okay, 150 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: I like that. So my main issues were everything on 151 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: the Island I thought felt really flat, like dramatically, it 152 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: was like, Luke come back. No, I'm not going to 153 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: come back, Luke please come back. No, I don't want 154 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: to come like it was just like sort of a 155 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: dead thing where he was just like blocking her at 156 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: every like every turn, and I just I don't know 157 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: that that whole section felt somewhat dead to me. But 158 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: I loved the Daisy and Adam drivers stuff. I thought 159 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: that was Yeah, that was dope. Um there was anybody 160 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: mad that it felt like we were adding like new 161 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: things to the force that we didn't know about till 162 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: this movie. That. That was the other thing that bummed 163 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: me out is I just felt like by the end, 164 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, so I didn't know what the 165 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: force was at all, and maybe that's okay, but it 166 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: for some reason that bummed me out that like the 167 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: force was just something anyone could have if they just concentrated. 168 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's what it is. But I 169 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: think what Luke was saying is that it it's not 170 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: just the lightsaber. He was like, this isn't what the 171 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: force is, you know, so his whole thing like the 172 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: force being within you, it's not within everyone. I think 173 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: it's within choice select people. And I'm not like a 174 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: huge fucking star wars head. So please don't write me 175 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: because I don't care. But about about you want to 176 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: correct me? Yeah, yeah, But what I'm saying is that 177 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: that's what he meant is like, it's not just in 178 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: this thing, and it's not just in those books, and 179 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: it's not just tied to these objects. So it's like 180 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: a combination of nature nurture, Like it's something you're you 181 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: can be worn with, but then you can also like, 182 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: well it depends, and I meant that even beyond more 183 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: like a philosophical aspect of the physical mechanics of the force, right, 184 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: like the projection stuff. So it was like new to 185 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: me or that like you could basically die in the 186 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: vacuum of space and then kind of like toe truck 187 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: yourself that. Yeah, I was kind of cool with La 188 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: dying like that. I thought, oh, ship, like that was 189 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: just like a real war death. And I thought when 190 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: her hands started moving, I thought she was maybe communicating 191 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: to Luke or something like Bam, come through, But she 192 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm coming back in the ship and 193 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm still alive. Jam. Was that a thing that we've 194 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: seen people do that do with the Force or Danny? 195 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: Maybe you know this like what astually projecting yourself into 196 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: a hologram across like space? Is that a thing we've 197 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: seen before, like a non dead Jedi do I don't 198 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: think so. I mean, they've always been kind of like 199 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: weird things that have been explained away by the Force. 200 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I don't think they ever really like 201 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: explained an empire. Why, you know, Luke's had that vision 202 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: of Darth Vader in the cave. I think, you know, 203 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: sometimes they did just kind of pepper and mystical things 204 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: and you know, have it be the forest. But I 205 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: kinda I kind of liked that they were expanding the 206 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: mythology of what the forest would be in this movie. 207 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: I like that they were showing us something new. I 208 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: mean it was a bit weird at times. That Yeah, 209 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: no one mentioned the astral projection thing. The thing that 210 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: really got me he did was that Luke is like 211 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: the most powerful Jedi. Right we could agree on that 212 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: is that not like that right? Sure? But in terms 213 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: of what we know as viewers of the film that 214 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: like to date, Luke Skywager was the most late Jedi, 215 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: and I thought his death could have just been a 216 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: little bit cooler, Like I understand like this function it served, 217 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: but I felt like he could have done like a 218 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: Samurai style thing where he really did roll up and 219 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: fight all those a t M six is and just 220 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: be like what's good and then maybe died at the 221 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: end and still achieved like the like serve as a 222 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: distraction for what's left of the rebellion to escape. But 223 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: I just thought I felt like I wanted to really 224 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: see like Luke just wild out one last time as 225 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: a fan, but I guess, but he kind of did 226 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: in his projection, you know what I mean. But then 227 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: I think it was kind of like an ode back 228 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: to his master Yoda and stuff like where it was 229 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, this like peaceful death. What he achieved was 230 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 1: that it was like, yeah, he served at this distraction 231 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: in this really violent scene and then he kind of 232 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: just with the ways. But that's a lot of what 233 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: the Jedi is supposed to be. They're supposed to be, 234 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: you know, not this violent attack force. They're supposed to 235 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: be this like peaceful for sure, But then they're also 236 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: Jedis who like valiantly fought in like no win situations 237 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: when they have to. I see it as like karate almost. 238 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of what they like. That's 239 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: not an offensive art, it's a defense. That's what they have, 240 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, don't go to the dark side, don't you know, 241 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: the whole good verse evil. I feel like it's more 242 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: of like Jedi, you only use that like in I 243 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: don't know. That's what I they took a lot of 244 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: it from. I think originally was that, yeah, you're supposed 245 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: to only use it when you have to. I'm sure 246 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: someone's gonna write me a whole thesis. Please don't. I've 247 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: already had people write me thesis out know, you just 248 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: made it work a lot better for me. The in 249 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: your description, so J M. That's why I keep asking 250 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: you because I know because like I'm looking at as 251 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: like a for me the movies, Like I loved it. 252 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: It got me into movie making, the idea of like 253 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: when I would see see stuff. Yeah, like that's that's 254 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: sort of my connection to something. I'm really interested in 255 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: the mechanics of the film, which is why I'm like 256 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: kind of hyper focused on those things because rather than 257 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: like the plot things obviously, like I can forgive most 258 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: of those things, but there were things like the casino 259 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: world that I felt like it was a little odd 260 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: and like the wardrobe felt really shitty to me, Like 261 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: the whole idea of Star Wars, like we're in places 262 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: we've never seen, cultures that have never existed, but they 263 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: are all these like touchstones to Earth culture, like with tuxedos, 264 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: like champagne drinking kind of thing that I was like, whatever, 265 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: I guess, But again, these are like all minor things. 266 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: But it wasn't as bad as like the space fifties 267 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: diner and whatever that was right right right, go to 268 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: like the Seinfeld diner. Yeah, I'll just say one more thing. 269 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: I loved snoke, Like I just think it should always 270 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: be a rule that if you have like a really 271 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: main like boss bad guy, Uh, their death should be 272 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: super dramatic and violent, and like that death was so 273 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: dope when they just like fucking chopped him in half, 274 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: like he like fell apart into pieces, that was super sweet. Uh. 275 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: And then the thing I think my main issue, and 276 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: this was also my issue with Force Awakens, is I 277 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: just thought the Han solo part and Force Awakens and 278 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker parts in this felt dead to me. And 279 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: I feel like the movies will be better going forward 280 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: without the old timey characters who like don't want to 281 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: be there kind of being there and being like dragged through. 282 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: But so jam you you had a read on the 283 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: symbolism of Luke that I thought was interesting. If you 284 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: look back at kind of the history of Star Wars, 285 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: it really seems like in the original movies, Luke was 286 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: kind of this author surrogate for George Lucas, like his 287 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: name is practically the same as George Lucas his last name, 288 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: and also like people have kind of inferred that the 289 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: Darth Vader stuff may have been based on some personal 290 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: stuff with his dad, who wanted George Lucas to like 291 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: take over the family office supply business, which is less 292 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: dramatic than ruling the galaxy, but you know, you can 293 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: see the emotions behind it, right, So I always kind 294 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: of saw these new movies as trying to kind of 295 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: continue that, uh, that metaphor of of Luke Skywalker as 296 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: George Lucas. Like I very much read The Force Awakens 297 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: as about George Lucas, kind of almost like a reconciliation 298 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: with George Lucas after he made the Prequels. And you know, 299 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: because at the beginning Force Awakens, we learned Luke Skywalker 300 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: did something shitty, he created like the new Space Hitler, 301 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: and he's off an exile. So and George, this is 302 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: the first Star Wars movie without George Lucas, and it's 303 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: a movie where like Luke is an actual like absence 304 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: in the center of the movie. That that's interesting, right. Yeah. 305 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: I even thought that like the name the First Order 306 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: was like a reference to the prequels, because the first 307 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: order would be like one to three. But maybe that's 308 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: just a tinfoil had kind of thing. But anyway, so 309 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: I guess that was kind of in the back of 310 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: my mind when I was watching this, and like, you know, 311 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: that moment that ended the last movie that leads into 312 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: this one where Raised handing him the lightsaber seemed like 313 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: this kind of olive branch to to George Lucas that, 314 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, saying, you know, we love this thing. This 315 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: is a love letter to you and your original movies. 316 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: And uh, like in real life, George Lucas crapped on 317 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: the new movie. He you know, he said it was 318 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: to retro. He called Disney White Slavers for some reason. Uh, 319 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: he thought that would be a good thing to say. 320 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: But so I guess, like in that moment where like 321 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker like tosses the lightsaber over his shoulder, I've 322 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: seen a lot of people online complaining about that, but 323 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: I guess based on the context of of Luke as 324 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: sort of this Lucas surrogate, I like that all made 325 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: sense to me, and him being a cranky, reclusive old 326 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: man made sense to me. Huh, yeah, it doesn't make 327 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: it any to watch. I'm like, I don't need the 328 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: subtext of George Lucas's relationship to the film weaved into 329 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: this film. But yeah, but it does seem like but 330 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. The whole throwing the lights 331 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: ober away is because that's not what it is expected. 332 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: And it was like this moment that was built up 333 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: for years. We were waiting to hear Luke Skywalker talk 334 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: again because the last time we heard him talk was 335 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: decades ago, and that this huge pivotal moment we've been 336 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: waiting Force handed to him and he just tosses it. 337 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: Like to me, that's a funny thing to like, just 338 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: like this huge moment that fans had built up, and 339 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, what you know whatever, Like I love 340 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: that it was unexpected, and I what I really hate 341 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: that fans are reacting is that they should A lot 342 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: of them should on Force Awakens. They said it was 343 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: too predictable. It's too it was nothing new with Abram's 344 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: being there, and now they have this new film and 345 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: now it's too different, and now they're excited to have 346 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: Abram's back again. It's like, what you can I was 347 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: fine with the Force Awakens. I didnt have nearly as 348 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: many complaints as I did about this, but again, they 349 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: were more like stylistic things. And also there's just some 350 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: like plot ship but that's what that's what Star Wars 351 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: films are like. Like I wanted Captain FAsMA to still 352 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: be around. I know that was a wasted yeah, because 353 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: in Fort's like, oh, this is gonna be She's gonna 354 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: come back, and they have her moment. No she didn't, 355 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: but do you also remember she's like standing in front 356 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: of Finn and like they're about to get killed. Then 357 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: Laura Dern just blows a spot up, carves a ship 358 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: in half, and then suddenly Fasm emerges from the smoke 359 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: like from another like bay door. I was like, weren't 360 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: you just standing there before all this ship went down? 361 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: They were like these things like that. I don't know. Yeah, 362 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: And I feel like the other moment that was like that, 363 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: that was like the opposite of fan service. He was 364 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: when they revealed who raised parents are? That that was 365 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: probably one of my favorite moments. Like that whole scene 366 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: just ruled, Like they did a great job with that scene. 367 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: That reveal was cool. Adam Driver was so good in 368 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: that moment, so was she. Yeah. I thought that was great. 369 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna go see the next one on an 370 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: opening weekend. Like you know, who else is all of 371 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: the fans that are complaining Everyone is still always going 372 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: to see these movies no matter what. Yeah, and again, 373 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: like it was funny because as I watched it, I 374 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: started bumming myself out because I was like, man, like 375 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: is this movie bad? Like am I not liking this? 376 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: And I was in my own head a lot of 377 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: the time. I need to watch this. I'm gonna watch 378 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: it again just to make sure that, like my complaints 379 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: are still valid, especially after this conversation, because there were 380 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: things that I wanted to discuss with other They're like 381 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: well meaning, well thought people who watched the films, and 382 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: we'll see. But the other thing, I don't know if 383 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: we want. I just want to also bring up we 384 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: got another Star Wars film coming on like five months anyway, 385 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: So we a movie that has not released a trail 386 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: anything that's scary. That is scary, man, because they usually 387 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: tease the ship nine years out right. Well, it'll also 388 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: be interesting to see like what the tone of that is, 389 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: because you know, Force Awakens was so steeped in nostalgia 390 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: and this one like just constantly felt like almost a 391 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: repudiation of nostalgia, Like it was all about getting rid 392 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: of the the things that we're comforting are familiar and 393 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: taking the narrative in different directions. So I don't know, 394 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see if, like the Han solo 395 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: movie seems kind of predicated on the idea of just 396 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: here's a bunch of people you already know. I can't 397 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: wait for one of these movies that's moving forward in 398 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: time that is just Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and Adam 399 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: Driver like anchoring the thing. I think that's yeah, oh yeah, yeah, 400 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: she's good practicing for forms. I don't know. I didn't 401 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: like her kiss and Die thing that they reminded of 402 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: marrying Coatyard in that Batman film, where she was like, 403 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this thing and then she passed out. 404 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: She used the last of her energy to tell him 405 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: that he meant. Those Star Wars story films, those side 406 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: films like Rogue one and stuff, they always have like 407 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: a whole other vibe. They're always like, this is not 408 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: Star Wars. This is a Star Wars story. And it 409 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: seems like Paul Bettany like the quote that keeps him 410 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is a gangster film. Yeah, 411 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: So I'm feeling this is not gonna be anything like 412 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm here for it. I'm here for 413 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: all of them. Baby Driver. All cuts all cut to 414 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: space pop. Oh God, could you imagine it's all it's 415 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: all the music from the you know, all right, we're 416 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break, we'll be right back, and 417 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: we're back jam. Anything we didn't get to that you 418 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: wanted to call out as particularly liking or just looking, 419 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: I would just say, like to further that Luke lucas 420 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: metaphor like the ending, as kind of wacky as the 421 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: astral projection thing was, I think it ties into all 422 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: of these themes we've been talking about in terms of, 423 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, like Luke creates a projection which is you know, 424 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: like a movie, and in the end, it's not about 425 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: Luke so much as a it's about he inspired like 426 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: future generations represented by whoever that little kid was at 427 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: the end, who was literally like playing with a Star 428 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: Wars action figure at the end. So I think it 429 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: was kind of like, as much as people aren't digging 430 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: it in certain ways, like I think it is kind 431 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: of setting up a movie that we might like based 432 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: on what we've been saying, Like is setting up a 433 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: movie where like the heroes are going to be these 434 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: new characters that we all like, and less about trying 435 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: to recapture something that was done thirty years ago. So 436 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: I think it's maybe a more interesting movie than it 437 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: is like a successful movie or a fun movie to watch. 438 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: I still thought it was really interesting. I'll have to 439 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: see it again. That that metaphor definitely makes me like 440 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: it more. Danny or analysis of it makes me like 441 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: it more. Um, anything we didn't get to that you 442 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: wanted to bring up, Yeah, possibly the people that are like, 443 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: keep politics out of this film should go back and 444 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: watch the original films. Same with the people that say 445 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: that about superhero films, like keep politics out of Marvel 446 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: and d C. Maybe you should read a comic book, 447 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: um and see where that comes from. Because a lot 448 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: of times filmmakers, screenwriters and writers are influenced by current 449 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: events and they put that in the film. And that 450 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: is also uh, Star Wars. I don't know if you're like, oh, 451 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: what is the empire representative? You know, it's just the 452 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: mean people in space. So maybe get over it and 453 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: understand that politics. There is going to be political commentary 454 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: and most of the things that you watch. Okay, that 455 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: inspires most of the filmmakers that you love, and you 456 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: need to get over it. And if you want to 457 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: be a filmmaker yourself, because that's a lot of the fans, 458 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: Like I look at their thing when they write hate 459 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: shipped to people and would be like want to be filmmaker, 460 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, and they have like every single movie review 461 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: YouTube channel and their thing. Maybe you should consider that 462 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: as well, that sometimes current events and political events that 463 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: affect the entire nation and world uh influence or yeah, 464 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: and influence the filmmakers that you love and and uh 465 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: if it makes you uncomfortable, so it might have done 466 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: its job. And also it's a very specific political choice 467 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: that most movies for the first hundred years of cinema 468 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: were like predominantly disproportionately and unrepresentatively like starring white men. 469 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: It's like that's not how the actual world looks. So 470 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: that's actually more of a political decision than having like 471 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: a representative cast um miles anything you wanted to bring 472 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: up before. I mean, I think to that point of 473 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: like the people were like, oh, the social justice words 474 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: should find like whatever. I don't really don't give a ship. 475 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: The one thing that I will say is like them 476 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: like literally describing the military industrial complex like literally, I 477 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: was kind of like, like you could do that in 478 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: nuanced way and still get the point across. But I 479 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: just felt that was like it just felt like actually 480 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: literal like with like fat cats, like basically getting like 481 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: rich off the whole thing. Like I'm totally down with 482 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: spreading the word about this whole thing, but I just 483 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: felt like some of this stuff felt like like lazy, right, 484 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: And not even that the message was wrong. It's just like, 485 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: but I guess that's how you communicate to younger people 486 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: who don't who they're trying to also inoculate with these 487 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: sort of things that like this is people make money 488 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: off conflict. But I think not only that, I think 489 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: it was the fact that it was conflicted with them 490 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: that oh they're also supplying you, right, And I think 491 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: that that's internally like the good verse evil things, and 492 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: especially even US as like a nation is like, oh, well, 493 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: we consider ourselves good, but then it's like, oh, we're 494 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: doing these bad things too. So I think that that's yeah, 495 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. That it wasn't even the 496 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: message just like the president, you're like, okay, do we 497 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: need the power points of it? Everyone, it's like, this 498 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: is the military that's a complex Eisenhower was warning everyone about. Well, 499 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: I think it also kind of hooked into like the 500 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: theme of no one's you know, all good and no 501 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: one's all bad, right, kind of it kind of disregarded 502 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: like the light side and dark side of the Force 503 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: in a way, which is maybe also white people are 504 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: kind of unhappy, but I kind of like that. Yeah, 505 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: my my mind cannot take that sort of complexity. All right, 506 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for for joining us for Star Wars minute 507 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: or half hour, and we'll be back the next time 508 00:24:50,359 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: there's a Star Wars movie out. Bye bye the title 509 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: couple to put