1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Yesterday, thousands shaken as we discover the body of twenty 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: two year old Gabby Petito is found. While authorities are 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: not positively identifying it, they're coming out and saying it's her. 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: The autopsy set to go down tomorrow Tuesday at the 5 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Teatime County Coroner's Office. But right now breaking news the 6 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: search for boyfriend Brian Laundry and the Carlton Reserve swamp 7 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: and forest twenty five thousand acres of it has been 8 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: called off. The search for Brian Laundry has been called 9 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: off at the Carlton Reserve and right now as we 10 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: go to air, the ads are at the home of 11 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry. The parents have been taken out and put 12 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: in a vehicle in the driveway and the fans are 13 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: searching the home. The police are declaring it a quote 14 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: crime scene as the FBI enters Brian Laundry's Florida home. 15 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: It's all happening right now. This is what happened in 16 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. Take a listen to our 17 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: friends at the FBI as you are aware. FBI personnel 18 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: in coordination with our partners at National Park Service, the 19 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Forest Service, Teton County Sheriff's Office and Jackson Police Department 20 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: have been conducted on an investigative activity in the vicinity 21 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: of the Spread Creek Dispersed camping area. Earlier today, human 22 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: remains were discovered consistent with the description of Gabrielle Gabby Petito. 23 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: Full forensic and invitation has not been completed to confirm 24 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: one that we found Gaddy, but her family has been 25 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: notified of this discovery. The cause of death has not 26 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: been determined at this time. You were just hearing our 27 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: friends at the FBI. Let me bring in an all 28 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: star panel. Dill Carson, high profile lawyer joining us out 29 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. Former FBI doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining 30 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Angela Arnold, MD dot com, 31 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: Founder director of the Coldcase Research Institute. Cheryl McCullum, Death Investigator, 32 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: forensics Professor, Jacksonville State Joseph Scott Morgan special guests joining 33 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: us from ks LTV out in Utah. Garna, Mahea Garna, 34 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. And John 35 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: Ellwood search and Rescue technician, instructor, survivalist expert. I'm gonna 36 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: go straight out to Cheryl McCollum. Cheryl McCollum, right now, 37 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: the FBI loudly announced search warrant twice before moving Chris 38 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: and berta laundry from their home in Northport, Florida. It's 39 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: happening right now. They've taken the two of them out 40 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: and have them sitting in a vehicle attempted window vehicle. 41 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: What's happening, Cheryl McCallum. They are in that house looking 42 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: for any evidence associated with Gabby, what occurred to Gabby 43 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: in the Mohave desert, and what they can possibly connect 44 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: Brian too, because obviously it's in that home. I think 45 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: that's taken on a whole another sense of urgency to 46 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Garna Mahea joining us KSLTV because Garna, as soon as 47 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: her body was found, and depending on the conditions under 48 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: which it was found, this has gone from a potential 49 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: missing person's case to a potential homicide case. I'm telling you, Garna, 50 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: if she was buried Sana Shela grave, he did it, Bam, 51 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: I said it. That's what I would law toally conclude. 52 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: What do you know, Garna, As you're saying there's a 53 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: lot coming at its at once, we now know you 54 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: know the FBI is there at the laundry home and 55 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: they're saying that they're they're in connection to Gabby, not 56 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: in connection to their search for Brian. And so I 57 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: think there's a lot to be gathered from the evidence 58 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: that they gathered yesterday around the area where they found 59 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: Gabby's body. Our chopper was actually flying over that area 60 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: as we spotted all of this activity, going from a 61 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: very large search area where they had multiple teams to 62 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: really just starting to focus in and zero in on 63 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: one place. We had those images with us at noon yesterday. 64 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: Knew what was happening, and we're waiting for that confirmation. 65 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: We're waiting to allow authorities to reach out to family members. 66 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: There's just a lot there that I think they were 67 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: able to gather to be able to get into that 68 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: home today and do that search. One Garna, I got 69 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: a question for you. You said, yeah, chopper's everhead. Yes, 70 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: there any time that they spotted remains, you know, clothes 71 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: but she would have been wearing. Did the searchers immediately 72 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: put up a tent and what do you believe was 73 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: under the tent? What I'm getting at Garna Mahea Kiss 74 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: LTV is was she buried, Natty, that's a great question. 75 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: From what we were able to gather, she would not. 76 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: Of course, we were not there at the moment that 77 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: they had discovered the body. We were there what we 78 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: believe was shortly asked her, hold on just one mom 79 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: at Garna, Mahea, I'm getting news in right now that 80 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: the parents have been arrested. Those are reports, have got 81 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: to confirm them. But I'm telling you that is a 82 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: that's the current wire right now straight out to Dela 83 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: Carson and high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville 84 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: and former FBI deal Carson. That's what you don't want 85 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: to see as you look out your indoor window and 86 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: there are three big FBI guys and they come in 87 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: yelling search warrant, search warrant, and they pour into your 88 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: home and then put you out in a car. The 89 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: fact that they're you're not only a former FBI, you're 90 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: also a high profile defense lawyer. The fact that they 91 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: put them in a car that is considered a detainment 92 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: under the law. It's like you going into the back 93 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: of a police car. You're under arrest. You're detained. Arrest 94 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: under the law starts at the moment of detention when 95 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: you're not free to go. So when I heard they're 96 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: in the backseat of a car, that would lead me 97 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: to believe they're under arrest. And now we're hearing they 98 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: have been arrested. What's happening, Dell Carson. Well, we get 99 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: the technology that's involved in all of this. They've probably 100 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: been listening to the phones or the text messages of 101 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: these individuals for a number of days, and they've developed 102 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: an amount of information that would indicate that they were 103 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: involved directly or indirecting in the case. So of course 104 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: now they're arrested, and they'll search their phones and all 105 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: of their computers, and I'm sure they're looking for other 106 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: items that were removed from the actual Crown scene in Wyoming, 107 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 1: brought back in the truck and secreted in the house. 108 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: Oh good thinking. Can I just throw something at you, 109 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, ma'am you've been on a lot of 110 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: crime scenes, you me, Cheryl? How do I know he 111 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: was ever even there after September one? Think about it. 112 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: They wouldn't let the sister talk to him, they wouldn't 113 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: let the cops talk to him. Nobody has seen him, 114 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: And how in the Hay does he leave when the 115 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: house has a ring of press around it, there's somebody 116 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: even scoping out in their backyard? How does he get 117 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: out and drive to the Carlton Reserve to go on 118 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: a hike? Are you kidding me? I don't understand why 119 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: the police were not sitting on the house constantly. I mean, 120 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: the press was out there, you know, in Northport itself, 121 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: and I know it's it's it's not a huge jurisdiction, 122 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: all right, they don't have they don't have the resources 123 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: to do this, But the reality is this, this is 124 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest things to happen there and sometime, 125 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: how can you not have eyes in that scene? So 126 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: that leads us to this other point, where has he 127 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: been for this protracted period of time? And one of 128 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: the things that really bothers me about this, Nancy, is 129 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: how did the parents know to go to that specific 130 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: location to retrieve his Mustang and bring it back? And 131 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: oh when they go to talk to him, hey, by 132 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: the way, when he's seen him, says Tuesday. So how 133 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: does all of this stuff mesh together? Those are the 134 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: big questions. And I can guarantee you this when they 135 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: drag them into headquarters and they begin to talk to them, 136 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: those questions shall be asked. We'll just see if they'll answer. Well, 137 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, I just said it earlier. 138 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: They'll have to pull their fingernails off, and they still 139 00:08:51,679 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: are not going to say where Brian Laundry is Clime 140 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, Cheryl McCollum, I just don't 141 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: see anyway that the story is true that Brian Laundry 142 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: leaves on Tuesday to go for a hike and the 143 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: press weren't five inches up his tailpipe of his car. 144 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: That didn't agree. I don't believe it, but okay, jump in, 145 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: I agree. But let's talk about mama. You're telling me 146 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: you've already got a daughter in law. If he's your 147 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: daughter in law missing now, your son does not come 148 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: back home Tuesday night, you don't call nobody, You don't 149 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: ask for no help. Wednesday morning, nothing, Wednesday night, nothing, 150 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: same thing. Thursday. You don't call a soul, you don't 151 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: call a priest, you don't call the police, you don't 152 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: call friends, you don't call family, You don't want no help. 153 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: You do not tell anybody that your son is now 154 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: missing until Friday night and you suddenly, oh, here's you know, 155 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: he's missing. Y'all need to go help look for him, 156 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: and you give them jone five thousand acre swamp land 157 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: and go a very badific area. Right. The whole story 158 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: of him going over there in the car and then 159 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: the cops leaving a note like one of those little 160 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: yellow notes. You got to move your car, the cops 161 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: leaving a note on it, they go back, they still 162 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: don't move it, and then they go back and get 163 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: it and bring it home. How is he supposed to 164 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: get home? Fly right? It's completely bogus. Not only do 165 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: you take his own transportation away, you again, do not 166 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: tell anybody wait a minute, something's wrong. He should have 167 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: been home Tuesday night. We hadn't seen him. She doesn't 168 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: do that at all. There's no alarm, there's no concern 169 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: for her whatsoever. Guaranteed he's got her, you know, prepaid 170 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: cell phone. They've been in contact. The FBI knows it. 171 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: The only way they could pull this off, as with 172 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: burner phones. Who's jumping in If they do this, you know, 173 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: it's almost as if they plan to send all of 174 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: law enforcefront to a specific area in a while, getting 175 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: chase valuable time looking for him when he's going the 176 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: other direction. He's had a four day at least head 177 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: start on this red hairry longer. I mean, doctor Angie Arnold. 178 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: Of course we know there is no parent son, mother's son, 179 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: father's son privilege. But I think they'll have to burn 180 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: them at the stake before they ever tell where their 181 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: son is or what he told them when he got 182 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: home from Wyoming. I don't think they're ever going to tell. 183 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. You know it's a mother's love 184 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: for a son. I mean, who can calculate that? And 185 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: what's a mother woman to do in order to protect 186 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: her son? Well, you're right, Angie, Nancy, I think that 187 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: this is this goes way beyond the mother's love for 188 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: a son. Something has been brewing in this house. Why 189 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: why why was he her fiance and then she was 190 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: just then he was just the boyfriend. I'm telling you, Nancy, 191 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: We're going to find out so much stuff. They're going 192 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: to dig up so much stuff about what was going 193 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: on inside of that home. This is a lot more 194 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: than a mother's love. This man is a sociopath and 195 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: what that means is he has no conscience. It does 196 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: not mean that he doesn't know the difference between right 197 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: and wrong. What it does mean is when he does 198 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: act on his bad behavior, he doesn't have any feelings 199 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: about it like you and I do. Okay, So he 200 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: is a sociopath all day long. And I think what 201 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: the whole world needs to start doing is we cannot 202 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: believe anything that these people say. I'm gonna go to 203 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: John Ellwood, search and Rescue technician, instructor and evaluator, National 204 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: Association Search and Rescue, and firmer, Sara Sota County Search 205 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: and Rescue, which is so important, Sara Sota County. I mean, 206 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: I guess you've been in those mangrove tunnels, because when 207 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: you kayak through those things, it's like you're literally in 208 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: a tunnel, a small tunnel of dark trees. You've got 209 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: to be a seasoned nature enthusiasts to get through the 210 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: sericide of mangrives. I know that much. But the I mean, 211 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: did it ever strike you odd, John Elwood that he 212 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: goes out to the Carlton Reserve, which is thereby the 213 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Mayacache's a huge other area. Did that ever strike you 214 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: odd that he went in and never came out? Yes, Nancy, 215 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: if he if Brian was allegedly an avid hiker of 216 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: the Carlton Reserve, then he would know this time of 217 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: the year in Florida's the rainy season and over nine 218 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: of that twenty five thousand acres is under water. The 219 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: conditions and the wildlife. As you know, certain wildlife thrives 220 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: in water, and a fair majority of it doesn't like it. 221 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: So when you talk about all the predator animals, including 222 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: rattlesnakes and water moccasins are going to migrate out of 223 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: that water to dry area, you would not want to 224 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: be walking around in that land mass. Absolutely not in 225 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: john Ellwood. Here's the other thing. If if the parents 226 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: sent the cops out to that snake infested and there 227 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: are gators area and the son, brian laundry was never there. 228 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: Can you believe that they would send the cops out 229 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: there to search day after day for their son, knowing 230 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: full well he's not there in those conditions, taking K 231 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: nine dogs out there, a lot of the cops thought 232 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: he might have killed, may have killed himself, and they're 233 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: out there trying to save his life. Is it true 234 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: that the parents the whole time we're getting a big 235 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: laugh knowing the cops were out there risking their own 236 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: life and their son wasn't there. Well, several of your 237 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: members of your panel that you've convened today have brought 238 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: up a lot of the reasons for this, possibly being misdirections, 239 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: as you all have stated. The thing that as a rescuer, 240 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: as a first responder, as you had mentioned, I had 241 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: done thirty five years with the Sarasta County Fire Department, 242 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: so I've been very well experienced in that parcel of 243 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: the land, especially for wildfire, that you would not as 244 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: a first responder, take kindly to being thrust into that 245 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: environment on a fool's errand because any time that you 246 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: go out to perform a mission, there is always the 247 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: chance of you becoming injured or even worse, possibly losing 248 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: your life. And just imagining the two of them, Cheryl 249 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: McCollum sitting at the kitchen table like we all do 250 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: all the time, and talking and talking and talking about 251 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: how the cops are out there looking for laundry and 252 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: he's not really there, and I'm telling you I've been there. 253 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: It is. It's like a jungle out of a movie 254 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: when you're in those mangroves and it's as you're hearing 255 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: John Ellen would say it's already swamp. But then ninety 256 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: percent of the twenty five thousand acres are under water, 257 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: and you're gonna send cops out there. So tell me 258 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: about this note that was reportedly left on the car. 259 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: And that's the one thing I believe the parents about. 260 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: I think that the car was left there and gave 261 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: the appearance that laundry was in the Carlton Reserve. The 262 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: cops saw it and left a note, move your car. 263 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: What do you make of what's happening? Cheryl McCollum. These 264 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: two reportedly are under arrest. Nancy if the car was 265 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: dropped off there for him to be able to get 266 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: in the car and come back home, and he didn't 267 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: get back to the car and he left it there overnight. 268 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: Law enforce wool will sometimes leave a notification on the 269 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: car that says, hey, this has to be removed or 270 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: we're going to tow it. Apparently they ran the tag 271 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: and they called the family and said come get the car. 272 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: When they got there, they see this note, so they 273 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: allegedly drive the car back home. Number one. I don't 274 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: know that the note isn't bogus. I don't know that 275 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: this whole thing was not a red herring, because again, 276 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: they leave the car there, law enforcement doesn't do anything. 277 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: So now the family has to say, hey, there was 278 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: a note there, the car was left, We've moved it. 279 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: They have to contact law enforcement about the car and 280 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: then report him missing. So they do all of these 281 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: things prior, and so they have to wait these four 282 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: days when law enforcement is still not looking for him 283 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: in that reserve. I mean, Cheryl d thank you, was 284 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: ever there after September one? No, ma'am, I do know. 285 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: That's why the sister couldn't see him, That's why cops 286 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: didn't see him. And nature press had been camped out 287 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: on the front yard. It looked was home at all. 288 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: What who's that Joe Scott jump in one of the 289 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: things that I was thinking about, kind of dovetailing what 290 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: Mac was saying. I worked a lot of cases where 291 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: we've had people that have been alleged to have been 292 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: involved in a homicide and they become suicidal. Families reach 293 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: out to us. They you know, they reach out to 294 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: the police and of course the corner as well. And 295 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: one of the things that they do is family shows 296 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: up their hair on fire. My son is depressed. We 297 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: know that this kid's not on medication, and he should be. 298 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things that is not 299 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: happening here is an urgency on the part of the 300 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: parents if they believe that he could do self harm 301 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: in any shape, form or fashion. Man, that is a 302 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: really good point Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh good, 303 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm hearing Garna'm here in my ear she is joining 304 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: us KSLTV joining us from there. This all got kicked 305 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: off after Gabby's body was found. What was found? I mean, 306 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: if it didn't looked like she fell down a ravine, 307 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: it looked like a natural cause of death, I think 308 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 1: the jury would have been out. But something about the 309 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: discovery of her body changed everything. Garna, I mean, yeah, 310 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: that's really when we saw all of this activity change 311 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: and kick up in Florida. Can I can only speak 312 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: to what we've really seen here in Wyoming, you know, 313 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: And and that was the moments that they got out 314 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: the tent and walked across this creek it you know, 315 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: not very deep, it maybe goes up to your calves, 316 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: and went over to the site that started setting up. 317 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: And then we started seeing them point the camera and 318 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: start shooting pictures for their investigation about twenty yards away, 319 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: and that is where we saw what we believed to 320 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: be Gabby Potito's body. It was in a grove of 321 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: trees and it was not buried, in a grove of 322 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: trees and not buried and you can see that from 323 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: the aerial tread footage. Yes, that is what we believe 324 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: we saw, Garna. Do you mind telling me that one 325 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: more time everything that you just said. Yeah, So we 326 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: saw our chopper was flying. It was about eleven thirty five, 327 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: between eleven thirty five and noon yesterday, and we started 328 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: to see you know, we've seen this search areas. It's 329 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: really big, and you see pockets of search teams in 330 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: different parts of that area. We know where Gabby's van 331 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: was last part in that Spread Creek camping area, and 332 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: so we started to see all of a sudden, all 333 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: of these search and rescue teams just kind of starting 334 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: to walk back to their staging area, to their command post. 335 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: And then we saw a smaller group of people and 336 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: they were kind of crossing the waters near the area 337 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: where the van was last part, but they had a 338 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: cross to the north side of the stream. The van 339 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: was We believe it was last parked on the south 340 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: side of the streams, and we started to see them 341 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: make their way. We saw some of them on horseback 342 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: crossing the waters. We saw them start to open up 343 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: this canopy, this tent, and we see val the law 344 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: in these types of scenes when they're wanting to preserve 345 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: the scene and they're making their way over to start 346 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: that process of documenting and photographs that discovery, and so 347 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: that is what we saw them do, open up this canopy, 348 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we see one of 349 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: the investigative the forensic photographers start pointing the camera in 350 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: a different direction, and so we followed that. We followed 351 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: the smaller group walking and very very cautiously approaching this area. 352 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: And that is where we believe that what we saw, 353 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: what our images captured were was a body was likely 354 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: Gabby Potato's body, not buried, not buried. She closed. You know, 355 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: I really can't speak to that part. I think there's 356 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: the sense of wanting to respect the family's grieving process. 357 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: But what we can say is that it was, you know, 358 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: in the direction of a grove of trees. It was 359 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: very near those trees, under those trees, and that is 360 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: the area that became the focus for them. And then 361 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: let me understand to see them kind of move that 362 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: canopy in that direction, and what is my guest, you know, 363 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: start that process of documenting that scene. Okay, straight back 364 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: out to Cheryl McCullum. We were talking about what's happening 365 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: right now at this moment, and that is that the parents, 366 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: Chris and ROBERTA. Laundry, have been arrested and there are 367 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: now about fifteen FBI agents in the home. They're in 368 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: the home searching this development one day after the body 369 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: of Diabby Petito has been found. There's a huge contingent 370 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: of law enforcement at the home. Hey, you know what, Cheryl, 371 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: let me throw this at you two. Everybody's screaming about 372 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: the cops. Wow, how'd you let them slip through your fingers? 373 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: And they're right, I mean, you have to admit. Why 374 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: wasn't he questioned? But wait a minute, did they ever 375 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: even see him that slip through their fingers? Or was 376 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: he ever there? Remember he got there September one. The 377 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: parents Gabby's parents didn't know she was missing till September eleven. 378 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: Sometime during that ten days did he leave? Has anybody 379 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: even seen him. Why are they in the home right now? 380 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: What's happening, Cheryl McCallum. What we know is the van 381 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: was there. We don't know if he was ever there. 382 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: And here's the deal. The FBI has had time to 383 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: see the text messages, the calls, the emails, whatever contact 384 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: between Brun and his parents, which has clearly resulted in 385 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: the parents being arrested. So it appears they have been 386 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: helping him and obstructing this case to some degree. Again, 387 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: his cell phone, her cell phone, the social media post 388 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: when things stopped, and the bogus text messages that he 389 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: sent that I believe is bogus. All of that is 390 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: going to come into play. But I'm telling you they 391 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: know how he has been assisted by his parents. But 392 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: if they got burner phones, Cheryl McCollum, if they had to, 393 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: because you do know that one of the first things 394 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: that would be under a warrant or subpoena would be 395 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: the iCloud, the iPhones themselves, text messages, email accounts. But Stacy, 396 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: in order for that to happen, there was communication before that. 397 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: Hey go here by this phone, call me here, use 398 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: this debit card. There's going to be some type of 399 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: unrelessed Dale Carson. They were super smart and said, don't 400 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: text me, come home, come home bright right now, and 401 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: only talk in person. There's no communication then, and that's 402 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: not likely. Today is fiquitous, and we use them all 403 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: the time without even thinking. And we text messages which 404 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: don't even require that they'd be listened to and transcribed. 405 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: So the police have directed that just what's been going 406 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: on there for some period of time. And in the 407 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: Wayne Williams case in Atlanta back in the eighties, we 408 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: followed Wayne Williams twenty four to seven when he was 409 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: a suspect and we never let him out of our 410 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: site until we got the warrant for his arrest. Okay, 411 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: I hear Joe Scott trying to get in Joe Scott 412 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: Morgan death investigator jump in, O Hey, yeah. One of 413 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: the things I wanted to point out relative to I've 414 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: had a lot of people trying to contact me relative 415 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: to they're asking the question, why aren't they doing the 416 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: autopsy today? We aren't they doing the autopsy today? You 417 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: have to understand something in this isolated location where they are, 418 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: this is not something that they do on a daily basis. 419 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what's going on right now. They're 420 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: marshaling every resource that they have. They're going to bring 421 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: in and these people will probably be present at the autopsy. 422 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: They're going to be there's gonna be a forensic dentist, 423 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: an ontologist more than likely, given how long she's got down. 424 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: Oh whoa what, a forensic dentist, he said, an odentologist. Odentologist. Yeah, 425 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: And there's also going to be a physical anthem apologist, 426 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: a forensic anthropologists present there because I suspect that her 427 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: remains are at least partially skeletonized. In addition to that, 428 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: there's going to be any number of evidence gathering individuals, 429 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: specifically relative to trace. They're going to be looking for 430 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: anything anything that's on that clothing. Also, they're going to 431 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: be doing nail scrapings, nail clippings. They're gonna go over 432 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: her where the fine tooth come. Don't and don't underestimate 433 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: the fact that they will probably use things like alternative lighting, 434 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: infrared lighting, that sort of thing to look for any 435 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: kind of stray marks that they can have on her. 436 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: They might even superglue the body to try to lift 437 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: any kind of prints there are on her. Well, one 438 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: of the things that you want to think about. Think 439 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: about if she has been asphyxiated by strangulation, if if 440 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: there are any prints in tax still on her skin, 441 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: those can actually be lifted as a result of fuming 442 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: with superglue, you can find that. Also, they're going to wait, yep, 443 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: explain how you do it? Well, the glue itself is 444 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: placed into a little dish, It is moderately heated, and 445 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: as the glue vaporizes, it actually comes back down and 446 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: falls on the body. It adheres to the fatty lipids 447 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: that are left behind by fingerprints, and you can't get 448 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: rid of the fingerprint at that time. You're not gonna 449 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: lose it like you would even through dusting. So that's 450 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: one of the things that they're going to be doing. 451 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: And I would suspect that they're going to have the 452 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: best forensic pathologist in the state of Wyoming. They might 453 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: even bring another consulting forensic pathologist. And trust me, Nancy, 454 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: they're not going to want to miss anything relative to 455 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: this case. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, the body 456 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: what we believe to be what we know to be 457 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: Gabby Potito has been found. Take a listen to our 458 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: cut one h three our friends at the FBI around 459 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: Spread Creek Camp Sac will remain closed to the public 460 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: until further notice. This is an active and ongoing investigation, 461 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: so we asked everyone maintained distance from law enforcement personnel 462 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: and equipment, vehicles, and related activity for their own safety 463 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: as well as to protect the integrity of our work 464 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: and respect privacy for Gaddy's family. We appreciate the tremendous 465 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: support from the public. The support from the public's response 466 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: to request of tips has been remarkable. We continue to 467 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: seek information from anyone who utilized the Spread Creek dispersed 468 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: camping area between the days of August twenty seventh and 469 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: August thirtieth, anyone that may have had contact with Gaddy 470 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: or her boyfriend, or who may have seen their vehicle 471 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: in that area. Guys, at this hour, the Paris of 472 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry have just been taken out of their home 473 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: in Florida Northport, Florida and arrested. They're about fifty eight 474 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: fans inside the home searching it right now. Straight out 475 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: to Dale Carson, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville. Former 476 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: FBI Asian arrested for what obstruction of justice, obstruction of judge. Okay, 477 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: name what you can think of, miss prison of felony, 478 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: you found unlawful fights like to avoid prosecution. They could 479 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: be chargeous principles and co conspirators if it turns out 480 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: that they've been assisting and lying the law enforcement, assisting 481 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: their son by lying the law enforcement. Well what about this? 482 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: What about this, Sheryl McCollum, when you lie about the 483 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: location of a body, sure anything that you've done to 484 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: obstruct this investigation? And again by him leaving her there, 485 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: driving several states back home to Florida, refusing to speak 486 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: to her family, refusing to help in any way. The parents, 487 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: if they have determined, which it looks like they have, 488 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: that they have directly assisted him in any way with 489 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: getting away with a crime, going to be on the 490 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: hook for that, and clearly they've got enough probable calls 491 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: to get in that house. Now the BI confirms the 492 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: body of Gabbie Petito was found on Sunday, and now 493 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: the parents of Brian Laundry have been arrested, put into 494 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: a vehicle and taken away. We also know the search 495 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: at Carlton Reserve has been called off. Okay to John Ellwood, 496 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: survivalist if he were to go on the run. You're 497 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: familiar with this area, Carlton Reserve. I would be looking 498 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: at every waterway. Did a family friend have a boat 499 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: if he was too afraid to take a plane? Although 500 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: their reports he took a plane home and back in 501 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: the middle of the road trip. How would he escape 502 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: not with a family car, so how would he get 503 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: out of town? Well, that's probably one of the great 504 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: mysteries of the world, Nancy. But one of the things 505 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: that you would start with is you would have to 506 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: have which some people refer to as a go back 507 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: in which you would have some type of essentials to you, 508 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: whether you have medications, so on and so forth, passport, 509 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: credit cards and so on. You have that some people 510 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: use a backpack, some type of duffel bag that you 511 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: would grab that and have everything essential that you would 512 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: need to is what you also refer to in the 513 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: military as escape and evade. If you want to go 514 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: back to the actual search being performed at the Carlton Reserve. 515 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: Probably one of the reasons why they call that off 516 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: as if you noticed earlier the other day where they 517 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: removed articles of Brian's clothing from the home that in 518 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: the search industry refer to as a scent article in 519 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: which you introduced that to the dogs that you had 520 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: talked about earlier to have Brian sent for the search dog. 521 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: So as they were probably searching the Carlton reserve, the 522 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: dogs displayed to the handler what's called a quote unquote negative, 523 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: meaning the dog looks back at the handler and says, hey, 524 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm not smelling this person, what do you want me 525 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: to do? And probably because they searched several areas on 526 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: the Carlton property and the canines displayed the negative, that 527 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: probably got funneled in through their incident management system to 528 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: the incident commander, and then they decided to confer along 529 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: with all the other physical or electronic evidence that they collected, 530 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: and then came to the deduction that he is not 531 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: at that location. I'm just wondering if they had the 532 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 1: dogs searched around where the car was parked, because they 533 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: should have been able to pick up a scent going 534 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: from the car into the reserve. If they picked up 535 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: nothing there, I think what you're saying is exactly correct, 536 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: John Elwood. So Sheryl McCollum, the search warrant has been 537 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: affected by the FBI and the parents bundled away into 538 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: a car. According to sources, quote hauled in. You were 539 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: jumping in about what I was jumping in. Just remind 540 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: people that when he was on the side of the 541 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: road on August twelfth, talkaw enforcement, the first thing he 542 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: asked is can I get my backpack? When his mama 543 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: said he went for a hike, she said he took 544 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: his backpack. So I was just jumping in to say 545 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: that was pretty clear that he's got to go back. 546 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: This also reminds me a lot of Eric Robert Rudolf Nancy, 547 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: where you've got somebody that has absconded that not only 548 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: knows this area better than most of the searches, they're 549 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: more than capable of staying out there without bottled water 550 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: Sunday and loan bug spray or even shoes. We are 551 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: now hearing the update that they were quote hauled in, 552 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: but Dell Carson, once you take somebody in involuntarily, that 553 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: is under the law unarrest. Absolutely, they're under arrest now 554 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: and they will be advised of their rights. And clearly 555 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: there's some electronic information going about which indicates to their involvement. 556 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: And that's why when law enforcement showed up. There are 557 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: battering rams in their hands because they were looking for 558 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: an adverse reaction from that family, which means that they're 559 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: harboring information that the government needs in order to prove 560 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: this case to accord beyond a reasonable doubt. So now 561 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: the story's changing. They're saying the parents there's nothing. It's 562 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: now saying they were arrested. They're now saying they were 563 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: quote hauled away for questioning. Yes, yes, you're right, Nancy. 564 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: We're receiving information that the family has now been allowed 565 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: to re enter their home. They exited the police vehicle 566 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: just a few moments ago. Now it's very important that 567 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: we point out that no member of the family has 568 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: been arrested. They were simply detained in the police vehicle. 569 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: They are now back in their home there in Northport. Again, 570 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: no arrest of any member of Brian Laundry's family. The 571 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: Feds simply wanted to be able to search the home freely, 572 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: and they did remove a number of bags of evidence. Guys, 573 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: how is he on the run? How is he doing 574 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: It's if he is on the run, he's got to 575 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: have a burner phone. I guarantee he's not going to 576 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: write the parents on their regular emails or text him 577 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: on the regular phones. How is he doing it or 578 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: is he being funded? Which way did he go? Who 579 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: has an idea? Jump Uba? It's not very far and 580 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: it's all by water. That was my first thought was 581 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: Cuba because it's not far at all. What about it? 582 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yeah, I'd have to agree with Dale. It 583 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: seems as though that that's the most viable solution, since 584 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: Americans can come and go out of Cuba. I think 585 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: the question is is how did he get there? Do 586 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: they have the ability, do they have contact with somebody 587 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: that has a vessel that size that could get him there? 588 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: Or did he just hop a plane and fly down there? 589 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: Does somebody have a private plane? And of course all 590 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: of this is going to have well the planes will 591 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: at least will have some kind of registry information. If 592 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: he went down by a boat, all bets are off 593 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, because when you get on get 594 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: on even a private plane, they asked for your ID 595 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: unless he a fake idea or use their brothers idea. 596 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: Remember Scott Peterson was trying to use a brother's ID. 597 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: If he used somebody else's idea that he could fudge, 598 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: then maybe a private plan with there would be a 599 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: record and manifest of that. I say by water, I 600 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: mean Cheryl McCollum. When we were on a Disney cruise 601 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, we looked off and somebody said, that's Cuba. 602 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: It's really close. Absolutely, Nancy. They have had twenty three 603 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: days to get story straight, to get supplies, to get money, 604 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: to get a plan together. I'm telling you, Eric, Robert Rudolph, 605 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: he's not in another country. I don't think he's in 606 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 1: another state. I think he's well hidden in a place 607 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: that he knows better than anybody else. We wait as 608 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: justice and false Nancy Grace Crumb's story, signing off good 609 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: Bye friend,