Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hey, everybody, welcome back to Are You
Speaker 1: a Charlotte? Today we are rewatching Time and Punishment, which
Speaker 1: is from season four, episode seven, and we have a
Speaker 1: super fun guest. Paget Brewster is on Criminal Minds for
Speaker 1: a really really long time and also so many other
Speaker 1: fun things. She was on Friends, she had her own
Speaker 1: talk show called The Paget Show. She has a lot
Speaker 1: of sex and the city knowledge, and she's a super fan.
Speaker 1: So enjoy Paget. Thank you for joining us. It's so exciting.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. This is so exciting for
Speaker 2: me and a little scary.
Speaker 1: Oh don't be screw.
Speaker 2: And the show have had such a massive impact on
Speaker 2: my life that it's like, don't meet your heroes, And
Speaker 2: I'm kind of scared, but I'm so excited to be
Speaker 2: doing this. Thank you so much for asking me.
Speaker 1: Well, we're so excited to have you, and I I
Speaker 1: mean I just probably just start by telling us like
Speaker 1: when you say an impact on your life, like tell
Speaker 1: us what you mean, and also like have you also
Speaker 1: done other podcasts where you have broken down and just
Speaker 1: like that, like I need to hear all the different.
Speaker 2: Things I did. Some friends of mine, Paul F. Tompkins
Speaker 2: and Jenny had Ed Tompkins, did a podcast about and
Speaker 2: just like that, and they were it was just them
Speaker 2: at home. They would have what they call weekend water,
Speaker 2: so they would drink a little bit and do a
Speaker 2: podcast about and just like that.
Speaker 1: Oh God.
Speaker 2: And I would listen to their podcast and be like,
Speaker 2: how do they not know about Ray? And like they
Speaker 2: weren't they they weren't remembering everything. And I've watched Sex
Speaker 2: and the City every episode, every season, five times through
Speaker 2: twice just with my husband. So it's it's uh. But
Speaker 2: I also think the show Sex and the City opened
Speaker 2: doors for women acting at a time when it had
Speaker 2: really gone away, and so I've been able to maintain
Speaker 2: a career for thirty five years. I'm fifty seven. When
Speaker 2: I was thirty two, I thought, oh, it's over. It's over.
Speaker 2: I see if they touched money as I could exactly.
Speaker 2: But I think because of the success of Sex and
Speaker 2: the City, it showed executives and networks and writers that
Speaker 2: women could carry the show and do extremely well, and
Speaker 2: so I think it opened up casting for women over
Speaker 2: thirty five Suddenly.
Speaker 1: Which is amazing and wonderful, and I hope that it
Speaker 1: continues and could continue even more because sometimes from my perspective,
Speaker 1: I do remember when when they were sending this script around,
Speaker 1: you know, and everyone was auditioning and whatnot, that it
Speaker 1: was shocking, right, like, oh my god, you know, there's
Speaker 1: really no men, right, like, that's how the script of
Speaker 1: the pilot looked, you know what I'm saying, as opposed
Speaker 1: to say Melrose or you know where I had been.
Speaker 1: But there were equal men and women, and it was
Speaker 1: super soapy, right. This was a new entity, a new
Speaker 1: version of a show, and it was very risky and
Speaker 1: we did not know, We really did not know if
Speaker 1: it was gonna work. I was talking to someone about
Speaker 1: this other day because I remember in the beginning, any
Speaker 1: press that wanted to talk to us, we would just
Speaker 1: be like, okay, and we didn't like we would just
Speaker 1: tell them everything in the beginning because we were just
Speaker 1: so desperate to get press, which is laugh out loud
Speaker 1: funny now, right, like you know.
Speaker 3: But at the time, yeah, it was a totally different
Speaker 3: situation and different like world where we were in charge
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, the characters were in charge and.
Speaker 2: As opposed to being on an equal men and women
Speaker 2: or mostly male and the women were wives, girlfriends, yeah,
Speaker 2: daughters period.
Speaker 1: Yes, But I.
Speaker 2: Think in the seventies and eighties there were a lot
Speaker 2: of female shows like Golden Girls and Goldie Girls, but
Speaker 2: then into the eighties Designing Women. But there had been
Speaker 2: Mary Tyler, Moore, Rota. There had been all of these
Speaker 2: shows in the seventies and eighties, and it felt like
Speaker 2: the end of the eighties. Beginning in the nineties, it
Speaker 2: stopped until you guys showed up. That's good. There was
Speaker 2: like a dead space for about seven years, I think,
Speaker 2: where executives and networks were not doing shows primarily featuring women, right,
Speaker 2: women were supporting.
Speaker 1: It's also about like who is the show for, right,
Speaker 1: So like like Golden Girls, Designing Women were for women,
Speaker 1: Murphy Brown for women, right, I mean for everyone, but
Speaker 1: for women, and in a way where you feel like, yes,
Speaker 1: you're honored as a consumer, right, You're honored as like
Speaker 1: someone who wants to buy things and whatever. And we
Speaker 1: know all the statistics that women are a very powerful
Speaker 1: group of consumers. But for a while that was kind
Speaker 1: of forgotten. And then when we came along and this
Speaker 1: was kind of an annoying thing. But when we came along,
Speaker 1: you know, we had to really like fight hard in
Speaker 1: the beginning to you know, first of all, just state
Speaker 1: what we were right, because people were super confused, like,
Speaker 1: you know, are you prostitutes? Like are you like what's happening?
Speaker 1: Because of having sex in the title and they didn't
Speaker 1: know the column right, so not everyone had the understanding,
Speaker 1: the basic understanding. I remember just like literally describing like no,
Speaker 1: we all work, and you know, I had someone ask
Speaker 1: me I was wearing our hat, our first season rap hat,
Speaker 1: and they thought that I was on Real Sex, which
Speaker 1: was like that late night HBO show. Right, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was you know, kind of porn.
Speaker 2: It wasn't it like a not a reality show. Yeah no,
Speaker 2: it was like it was like real people and fetishes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it was ahead of its time, okay for sure, yes,
Speaker 1: but that is not the show that we were trying
Speaker 1: to do, right. We would have to like it's a comedy,
Speaker 1: but then it wasn't a sitcom and there was no
Speaker 1: laugh track and there was no audience, and it was
Speaker 1: single camera but also dramedy kind of know, we had
Speaker 1: very dramatic. It was a whole different entity, but the
Speaker 1: other thing that I feel now, I mean now, we
Speaker 1: have had wonderful shows like Insecure, we have I Love La.
Speaker 1: You know, there are elements where you can say, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: I think all of those were HBO, But it didn't
Speaker 1: spawn this kind of wider revival that I expected it
Speaker 1: to spawn in terms of like different women's voices on shows.
Speaker 2: Do you know I felt like I was able to
Speaker 2: continue acting because of the success of Sex and the
Speaker 2: City and that there was a greater creation of roles
Speaker 2: for women that were multi dimensional and they had failings.
Speaker 2: And I have to ask you, when did you start
Speaker 2: to feel like, oh, everyone gets it now, they know
Speaker 2: what we're doing and who we are. When did you
Speaker 2: feel secure that the show was successful and everyone got
Speaker 2: it and you and you guys had put this baby
Speaker 2: out into the world and it was and it was
Speaker 2: Bill loved.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Third season, third season, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that late.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People laugh when I tell them, they were like, no,
Speaker 1: it was a big hit. No, I mean it was.
Speaker 1: We were We were very known in New York, right
Speaker 1: because we were like getting all the actors that were
Speaker 1: on Broadway, and we were making a big effort, and
Speaker 1: you know, you had law and order and then you
Speaker 1: had us, right, So actors knew about us, and New
Speaker 1: York City people knew about us, but we didn't feel
Speaker 1: like the world knew about us. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that we expected the world to know about us. Like
Speaker 1: we were going to do our best, you know, we
Speaker 1: were going to try to live up to the hopes
Speaker 1: that HBO had, right, you know, we wanted to do
Speaker 1: our job right, but we never really expected like wide
Speaker 1: widespread success. So it was just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: shocking and also kind of really in some ways hard
Speaker 1: to take in. And I would say third season because
Speaker 1: third season is when we got nominated for an Emmy,
Speaker 1: which we never never, never, never never thought would happened,
Speaker 1: Like never thought what happened because Cable at that point
Speaker 1: was weird, right, Like the Sopranos hadn't won yet, we
Speaker 1: had won our Golden Globe, and we were just like
Speaker 1: like you're in the headline, like what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Like literally like what planet have we landed on? Like
Speaker 1: when they called our names, we were just like, what
Speaker 1: we have to stand up in front of all this
Speaker 1: movie stars? Oh my god, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it was just shocking and had rained that day
Speaker 1: of the Golden Globe, so my hairs, Like we were
Speaker 1: a hot mess, you know, we were like little children,
Speaker 1: like at the grown up party, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But then and that was cool, right, But the Golden
Speaker 1: Globes were like their own weird entity. But we didn't
Speaker 1: really think that the Emmys, who were definitely you know,
Speaker 1: the Award for Television obviously very mainstream, we didn't expect
Speaker 1: that to ever happen much less third season. And I
Speaker 1: remember when my mom called me and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: why are you calling me so early because we would
Speaker 1: work all night, right, she was calling me and tell
Speaker 1: me that we got an eminated for Amy And I
Speaker 1: was like, god, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Your mother, no one, your agent, your she beat them,
Speaker 2: She beat them to Your mom beat everyone to it.
Speaker 1: She excited, She was very excited, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she she beat everybody to it. I did
Speaker 1: think that maybe my mom was mistaken, even do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I was your mom, like
Speaker 1: what are you sure? And you know this is the
Speaker 1: olden day flip phone cell phone right where I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, someone else is calling. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to click over and then I realized, oh no,
Speaker 1: it is actually actually real, Like what the heck, Like
Speaker 1: it's insane, but I didn't even then. It was hard
Speaker 1: to really take it in, you know, it was hard
Speaker 1: to take it in to a lot of extent, Like
Speaker 1: rewatching is really helping me to understand like what we
Speaker 1: created did it in a different way, right, Like I
Speaker 1: loved what we did. I was, you know, extremely committed
Speaker 1: to what we were doing, right, And I love all
Speaker 1: of our writers and all of our actors, and you know,
Speaker 1: I've been die hard the whole time, right, But sometimes
Speaker 1: when you're out in the world and people have like
Speaker 1: such strong, strong feelings, I would be like, whoah, you know,
Speaker 1: but now that I'm rewatching, first of all, each episode
Speaker 1: is so good. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. And then
Speaker 1: second of all, like I was traveling a bit and
Speaker 1: I took time off from rewatching, and then I came
Speaker 1: back and like the warmth that you feel when you
Speaker 1: watch it is real, you know, Like even for me,
Speaker 1: I got to kind of experience when people say like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're my comfort watch. Oh you're like my friends. I'm
Speaker 1: like yeah, and obviously they are my friends, but still
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm home and I can watch my show.
Speaker 2: You know, it's oh my gosh, that's great.
Speaker 1: Really fully get it before, because I think I was.
Speaker 1: You know, you're just trying to move forward to write
Speaker 1: and not get too stuck in the commentary, right, because like,
Speaker 1: wherever there's good commentary, there's also bad commentary. And I
Speaker 1: didn't want to. I don't want to go to too
Speaker 1: deep into it. But now I can really, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty years later, I can really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are other shows, I think, and I
Speaker 2: think you've been on all of them. Friends, yeah, yes, Seinfeld. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Sex and the City are series that you rewatch and
Speaker 2: you cannot believe every episode You're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: this this is the A, B and C story because
Speaker 2: in my memory, yeah, each story is its own episode.
Speaker 1: Like it it's true, it's true. That's some writing, right,
Speaker 1: I mean some good writing. Like that's such really what
Speaker 1: I come away with.
Speaker 2: It's crazy this episode that we're talking really good. Well,
Speaker 2: this is huge for me because I choose my choice.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, class, it's.
Speaker 2: Like a major part of it's in my head. I
Speaker 2: would say, I've said it either out loud or in
Speaker 2: my head. Minimum once a month, usually every week, and
Speaker 2: in different ways, in the way that Charlotte is saying defensively,
Speaker 2: I choose my choice. And it can be that is
Speaker 2: she convincing herself or is she convincing them? And it
Speaker 2: can be armor like I choose my choice. It can
Speaker 2: be validation like that just that sentence, I choose my choice.
Speaker 2: I know it's good, Okay, No, I don't want to
Speaker 2: go to Larry's birthday party. I don't have to go
Speaker 2: to Larry's birthday party. And I choose my choice that
Speaker 2: I need to stay home and cook that day. I
Speaker 2: choose my choice. And so it's like a big I.
Speaker 1: Had remembered that because I loved it, but I had
Speaker 1: not remembered the bigger picture that it's in, which is
Speaker 1: that the entire episode I'm struggling, you know, Charlotte is
Speaker 1: struggling with the decision. And also basically all of them
Speaker 1: are like no, like I had fully forgotten that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I didn't really remember in
Speaker 1: my mind. I remember a lot, but I don't always
Speaker 1: remember it chronologically correctly, right, like I would have put
Speaker 1: this later, you know, like in the fifth season or
Speaker 1: something like I thought it had to do with Harry
Speaker 1: or I don't know what I thought it had to
Speaker 1: do with. I remember being I remember filming it, and
Speaker 1: I remember being very nervous about it. Like there's some
Speaker 1: things that stand out to me, because you know, Charlotte
Speaker 1: is a very specific character, right, and she's not me,
Speaker 1: even though I know it's very confusing and it seems
Speaker 1: like it's me. I get it, obviously, you're an actress
Speaker 1: who's played that character for a very long time, which
Speaker 1: I want to talk about, so I'm sure you understand.
Speaker 1: But so like she's a part of me, but she's
Speaker 1: not really me, right, And so I live a very
Speaker 1: different life that is not so concerned with traditions, you know,
Speaker 1: and for her, for Charlotte, because these are her friends,
Speaker 1: you know, she might not have as much kind of
Speaker 1: throaty defiance or whatever to them, do you do?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So, like my pitch is a little hot, you know,
Speaker 1: and especially in the first coffee shop scene where I'm
Speaker 1: talking to them about it, and I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking that I'm gonna quit the job.
Speaker 2: You know, I've noticed that well, because I think and
Speaker 2: there's the pediatric unit. It is your voice is higher.
Speaker 1: Your voice is higher.
Speaker 2: Usually the sign of insecurity or lying. And so the
Speaker 2: question is are you you're you're outstanding in this? I
Speaker 2: I You're so great, You're great in all of them.
Speaker 2: But this really is like a I was so excited
Speaker 2: when I got the email. Watch this and I'm like, what,
Speaker 2: I choose my choice because it's such a great and
Speaker 2: every storyline is great, but but it is these tropes
Speaker 2: of Miranda not being able to relax and and so
Speaker 2: much so that her neck goes out. She's shouting at you.
Speaker 2: And what is the relationship with Aiden and Carrie, and
Speaker 2: what does it mean to Charlotte to give up the gallery?
Speaker 2: And and that that's the tradition before we get to
Speaker 2: Harry later, which is now she chooses Judaism to be
Speaker 2: with a man she loves, and it's those traditions right
Speaker 2: that then become a big But there's Charlotte's not one dimensional.
Speaker 2: There are moments where I can't remember what episode it is,
Speaker 2: where Carrie is saying, you have Charlotte says something really profound,
Speaker 2: and there's a Carrie voiceover of sometimes out of Charlotte's
Speaker 2: mouth comes the thing that.
Speaker 1: Is the wisdom and then and then you say, is
Speaker 1: my hair too shiny today? That's first seasons, the first season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was one of my moments where I realized and
Speaker 1: I knew in my I felt in my gut that
Speaker 1: Charlotte had so much potential for growth and change, right,
Speaker 1: but that little encapsulated, you know, couple it basically with
Speaker 1: carrying the voiceover. That was it. I was like, that
Speaker 1: is it? Thank God they get it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We can go, Oh, we can go from this,
Speaker 1: you know. And it was so much fun because it's
Speaker 1: always fun with Sir Jessica too, right, because we know
Speaker 1: each other so well, And I love that so much
Speaker 1: because it is you can make fun of her, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like she is ripe for making
Speaker 1: fun of but at the same time, she's not really wrong,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And she's also earnest. Yes, Charlotte is so earnest that
Speaker 2: you can't argue with her reasoning. I mean, you her
Speaker 2: friends do, right, because they see marriage differently, individuality differently,
Speaker 2: careers differently. But yeah, I got I'm glad it was
Speaker 2: that early on because I also being on I've been
Speaker 2: on this show criminal minds on. I was off for
Speaker 2: four years, but I've been on it. Basically, we're shooting
Speaker 2: season twenty wow in a month wow. But I don't
Speaker 2: remember episodes the way fans do, right, so I remember
Speaker 2: things about episodes that you were working. You were working gang, right,
Speaker 2: there's no space in your brain because to make an
Speaker 2: hour long show is five, you know, five to eight
Speaker 2: fifteen hour days.
Speaker 1: So right, oh, that's what we were doing too.
Speaker 2: It was I, Oh, I heard, I heard the wardrobe
Speaker 2: changes were, which I appreciate as a fan. I think
Speaker 2: all of fashion appreciation the fact that but that's a
Speaker 2: big turnaround scene by seeing you guys had to do
Speaker 2: like major.
Speaker 1: We did, right, It was like an hour show or
Speaker 1: like a movie every two weeks because we'd shoot two
Speaker 1: episodes at once. Do you guys do that or you're
Speaker 1: just one? Okay?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: We had to crossboard because of locations right in the city,
Speaker 1: so we would have one director who'd be doing two.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that bad because like they were two consecutives,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't that hard, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's why it was more like shooting an hour, right,
Speaker 1: because even though you did have like one storyline and
Speaker 1: one and one storyline and the other they were they
Speaker 1: did make sense together, right.
Speaker 2: They were related. So it's not like you shot ten
Speaker 2: episodes like block shot ten episodes.
Speaker 1: No, No, that would be yeah.
Speaker 2: So you at least know where your character is. Yes, okay, yes,
Speaker 2: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Also, they would have a plan every season, and Michael
Speaker 1: Patrick would sit us down and tell us our plan,
Speaker 1: our emotional arc, so that you knew kind of the
Speaker 1: bigger picture, which was of course incredibly kind and wonderful.
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize that all shows didn't do that.
Speaker 2: All shows do not do that, right, our showrunner does that.
Speaker 2: But that just started, you know, I don't know, five
Speaker 2: six years ago. Interesting, Yeah, that is unusual, right.
Speaker 1: And thank god it's so helpful as an actor because
Speaker 1: then you know, if something is like of higher importance that, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to dig deeper for this scene, even though
Speaker 1: I'm just mentioning something. This is a deeper thing that
Speaker 1: I desperately want, the character desperately wants, or if maybe
Speaker 1: it's just a little minor thing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: if you were just reading each script, you wouldn't know
Speaker 1: because of course in our show. Also now we're into
Speaker 1: the longer relationships. But in the beginning, they were all
Speaker 1: these guys that were just coming through. And the only
Speaker 1: time that I can remember that I had to reshoot
Speaker 1: something was from the first season, very early on, like
Speaker 1: maybe episode two or three, where it's so embarrassing this
Speaker 1: guy wants is the I don't want to be the
Speaker 1: missus up the butt scene? Yes, oh God help us.
Speaker 1: And so to me, I'd been an acting class for
Speaker 1: a decade, right or more before this, and you know
Speaker 1: they all talk about steaks, right, like your stakes have
Speaker 1: to be so tatake, right. Yeah, And for comedy that's
Speaker 1: like strangely important, right, because how do you get that
Speaker 1: level of behavior deep stakes?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So I was teary when I'm telling the guy, like
Speaker 1: I what to do it? And Darren comes to me
Speaker 1: and he's like, you don't care, and I'm like what,
Speaker 1: I don't care? What what? And he goes, oh, there's
Speaker 1: another guy around the corner, And I'm like, wait, what what?
Speaker 1: Because first of all, as a person, I'm not really
Speaker 1: like that. But second of all, I didn't think Charlotte
Speaker 1: was like that, right, Like I thought Carrie and Samantha
Speaker 1: were like super cool and there's another guy around the corner.
Speaker 1: But I thought Charlotte was like deeply invested, and she
Speaker 1: kind of was right. He was just trying to say
Speaker 1: in his mind, he knew we were going to have
Speaker 1: a guy a week, right, a guy an episode, So
Speaker 1: we can't meet teery about everyone.
Speaker 2: Right right, right? It's two high stakes.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I had to like back backpedal and reshoot
Speaker 1: something where I was just like I don't want to
Speaker 1: do it, turning mean.
Speaker 2: Interesting, right, I get it. Wow, I didn't. That's thank
Speaker 2: you for telling me that. That's like inside, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that you reshot that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember reshooting anything else that I
Speaker 1: that I can think of, and I remember being like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're very thrown off as an actor when
Speaker 1: you have to reshoot something. You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what did I do wrong? But then when he said it,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, I was totally playing it
Speaker 1: like this guy could be my husband. And then now
Speaker 1: he's not going to because I don't want to do
Speaker 1: what he once like. I was doing the high stakes
Speaker 1: that I thought I was supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4: You were doing what you were doing, what you were
Speaker 4: trained to exactly.
Speaker 2: It's in a lot with a longer form knowledge of
Speaker 2: where Charlotte's journey was going, right, it would it would
Speaker 2: appear manic, It.
Speaker 1: Would appear desperate and manic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, too desperate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would not work out every episode. And I
Speaker 1: don't think it would be funny.
Speaker 2: It might be too upsetting profoundly that you're crying. And
Speaker 2: then when later on when you go to the dating
Speaker 2: seminar with Carrie and Carry's like, no, she's out there,
Speaker 2: you know, you know just this that you're really looking
Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, but but it can't be that's a
Speaker 2: really tough that's a really tough line to keep acting, Yeah, flawlessly,
Speaker 2: which was she wants what she wants, she knows why
Speaker 2: she's you know. And then when Trey comes along, it's
Speaker 2: it's the night and shining, it's the answer to all
Speaker 2: the and she's so invested in it, ready to go
Speaker 2: and and it and it falls apart. But you can't
Speaker 2: be so desperate that you're to be the other book, right,
Speaker 2: that's the end of your romantic journey. But that's a
Speaker 2: very very hard you think, and you executed it flawlessly.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny to watch this one because, like for me,
Speaker 1: I saw what I remember about the I choose my
Speaker 1: choice as I remember being really nervous, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really remember why because I'm on the phone, right, and
Speaker 1: we would always make an effort to have the other
Speaker 1: actor be be on the set so that you, oh
Speaker 1: my god, really yeah, I know, I know, I never
Speaker 1: get there, I know, right, I know it says such
Speaker 1: a difference to journy, mean, like such a gens. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't always work because we had crossboarded, right, So
Speaker 1: occasionally we'd be double like our other two episodes would
Speaker 1: go over and people would be off somewhere else, like
Speaker 1: we'd have two units going. So sometimes we'd have our
Speaker 1: scripture supervisor, but we knew them really well, right, so
Speaker 1: that helped. But often we would if it was an
Speaker 1: important phone call, we would have the other person on
Speaker 1: the other side of the flat, you know, basically right.
Speaker 2: So, so Cynthia was there.
Speaker 1: I think, so yeah, I'd have to check with her,
Speaker 1: but I think she was, which I think is good
Speaker 1: because I had not remembered that. It was as much
Speaker 1: of an argument as it was.
Speaker 2: Why don't you ask your husband? I know it's so mean, right,
Speaker 2: but if you had it but if it wasn't her,
Speaker 2: you guys can't you guys can't have that moment without
Speaker 2: hearing the other person's right vocal intonation.
Speaker 1: Right, because it wasn't like a regular phone call, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this helps me, This helps me recognize, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm not dropping the ball in my acting. You
Speaker 2: guys had a you know, because I could only hope
Speaker 2: is it going to cut together? Because I don't know
Speaker 2: how they would do it. We only get to hear
Speaker 2: each other at a table read.
Speaker 1: One right, right, It's hard. That's hard. Makes it harder, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes it harder, I think too for us because
Speaker 1: anytime any of the characters argued, it was always slightly scary,
Speaker 1: you know, because we cared so much about the friendships working,
Speaker 1: and that was a goal of ours and the show
Speaker 1: in general, and you know, that was like our mission
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. But it's not really realistic
Speaker 1: if you don't have arguments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's just no depth to the relationship, right,
Speaker 2: And so that is what actually I think solidified for
Speaker 2: the audience that you guys were actual friends, is to
Speaker 2: hold each other accountable for your behavior and your actions
Speaker 2: and how you know, like Miranda saying to carry in
Speaker 2: this you and your bullsh bagels, ooh, I know, just
Speaker 2: to talk about Aiden, and it's you can see that
Speaker 2: it's true. But even within that fight, do you want
Speaker 2: to toasted? Yeah, I knew they're hysterical.
Speaker 1: I'd totally forgotten about that too. I'd forgotten that this
Speaker 1: was when the next thing happened. I'd forgotten Aiden goes
Speaker 1: over there. I mean, this is a phase of the
Speaker 1: show that I don't have solid memories of each one, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm rewatching it going like, oh my god, wow, well.
Speaker 2: How could you you lived it and you were shooting.
Speaker 2: You could have been across town shooting something else. There's
Speaker 2: no way for you.
Speaker 1: To know that's true. But I do have a lot
Speaker 1: of memories, right. But this is about the time that
Speaker 1: they start to slip a bit. I think because it
Speaker 1: got overwhelming, right, because of the success. It became that
Speaker 1: like greater thing where we're going around to different places, countries,
Speaker 1: photo shoots, award shows, blah blah blah. It was great,
Speaker 1: it was really fun, but it just became this kind
Speaker 1: of like no sleep situation.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot, but It's fun to watch
Speaker 1: because I don't remember all of it and I think
Speaker 1: everyone is so good, and I'm also not really sure
Speaker 1: what's happening. Like even with the Carrie Aiden situation, I
Speaker 1: don't remember this at all.
Speaker 2: Okay, really you don't remember the Big on the Answering Machine.
Speaker 1: No, and he's just so ick. Okay, I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: that phone call. I'm like, right, Like when Aiden says
Speaker 1: I don't want him calling Hair, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: want him calling Hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well but it's he ends the message with call
Speaker 2: me baby.
Speaker 1: Baby's very proprietary, I know, Like, no wonder Aiden's upset.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. When Aiden says I
Speaker 1: don't want you to see him and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't do that, I'm like, no, Carrie, you need
Speaker 1: to say you won't. But obviously.
Speaker 2: I know. But even knowing, But here's what's crazy is
Speaker 2: the episodes immediately after that are up in the country
Speaker 2: in so right, and then he and b Big shows
Speaker 2: up in the.
Speaker 1: Which is great, she can reach me but I.
Speaker 2: Can never reach out right, But then they end up
Speaker 2: with this like what is it Green Arrow Spider Man fight.
Speaker 1: Something so crazy where it Carrie's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: who that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they get along. It's such, it's it's
Speaker 2: it's great writing. Yeah, it feel you do have to
Speaker 2: accept like a suspension of yeah, disbelief. That's a suspension
Speaker 2: of belief that that these two this soon could gel
Speaker 2: as men understanding each other while she's in the room,
Speaker 2: after everything that's happened. It's true.
Speaker 1: And you're not the first person to tell me that,
Speaker 1: And I do kind of see your point. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I thought, and I of course I know
Speaker 1: everyone involved, so it is so hard to be objective, right,
Speaker 1: But the thing that I thought, and I'm not a man,
Speaker 1: I could be so wrong, right, But like men have,
Speaker 1: you know, these complicated things they have to do in
Speaker 1: life where their have to be like super macho and
Speaker 1: clan their territory and whatever or they think they have
Speaker 1: to or whatever. But then I felt that they had
Speaker 1: this slow burn going on, like as you very clearly
Speaker 1: see in this scene right where you know, big calls
Speaker 1: in what I think is just such a jerk, a
Speaker 1: jerk move, right, Like this phone call message is like thick, right,
Speaker 1: and of course it's meant to do exactly what it does.
Speaker 1: Which is you know that's mine, right, and then Aiden's
Speaker 1: there in like the worst situation, and then they can't
Speaker 1: talk about it, et cetera. So of course Aiden has
Speaker 1: like a it's just going to fan that flame of
Speaker 1: him being upset about the previous you know, cheating obviously.
Speaker 1: And so in my mind, when I watch the fight
Speaker 1: that eventually happens in the country, it's because they actually
Speaker 1: get to fight, because how rare is that in life
Speaker 1: that you actually get to fight it out? Right, Like
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen that often, thank god, right, thank god.
Speaker 1: Fighting is never good. But because they fight, it kind
Speaker 1: of like it's a Catharsis for those guys, yes, and
Speaker 1: then they could just sit there and chat, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of I kind of bought it,
Speaker 1: but that's the way.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, no, I'm I it's it's a series,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's stories. But it makes sense
Speaker 2: to me, And I think that's why it's so enduring,
Speaker 2: is that, yeah, they fight it out and then the
Speaker 2: steam is let out of.
Speaker 1: The right and you can see them as another person, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's another sassion. And because Big is so all
Speaker 1: messed up about this actress. You know, aiden can kind
Speaker 1: of see oh he's a mess too, right, Like.
Speaker 2: Hayden's got the girl, right, and this guy's a mess, right,
Speaker 2: so he can look at like, ugh what okay? Right?
Speaker 1: And I had not really remembered any of this, so
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me how they're gonna get it
Speaker 1: all back together. But I guess we'll find out. But
Speaker 1: let's talk about this episode. Okay. So first of all,
Speaker 1: one thing too you're talking about you said something about
Speaker 1: traditions the thing that made me laugh too, And this
Speaker 1: is a minor storyline obviously, but Samantha storyline about the
Speaker 1: puby care, Oh yeah, I mean it's so foreshadowing, right,
Speaker 1: Like now I think all young men trim and right,
Speaker 1: which is great, of course, But it's funny that in
Speaker 1: this episode, you know, this guy's like, oh wow, and
Speaker 1: look look at I'm not going to say his words,
Speaker 1: but you know, he's he's pleased with the outcome, but
Speaker 1: it's turning things upside down in the traditions of it
Speaker 1: all because it was and I guess I don't know
Speaker 1: if it still is, Like I don't know what the
Speaker 1: young ladies are doing down there either, right, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because there was a while where maybe it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be more natural, but then maybe maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I feel like there
Speaker 2: was a time when someone was talking about how like
Speaker 2: seventies bushes back right. I didn't subscribe to that personally,
Speaker 2: no groom. But I'm not a laser. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Some people are.
Speaker 1: Just no, no, it's all and I uncomfortable. I don't
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, I mean I lived through all this
Speaker 1: with with the show, right, and so we went through
Speaker 1: every phase. We went through every phase together basically because
Speaker 1: all of us, the writers and actors, were living through
Speaker 1: the changes. And I remember when Gwyneth Paltrow did like
Speaker 1: the Vogue or something and discussed those sisters, the Brazilian
Speaker 1: sisters who would and said it was life changing. And
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what is happening? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: And then you were like, Okay, I guess I gotta
Speaker 1: try it. I don't know this like the pressure, like
Speaker 1: the like the peer pressure to do it.
Speaker 2: Did you do what Brazilian?
Speaker 1: I mean, I tried not to, but then that they
Speaker 1: just wanted to do what they wanted to do, do
Speaker 1: do what I mean? Right? And then I was like, well,
Speaker 1: this is horrible, horrible, Oh I feel uncomfortable. I did
Speaker 1: not I did not dig it. I have to not
Speaker 1: go back sensitive skin. I did not go back, and
Speaker 1: in fact, it like scarred me for mentally forever going
Speaker 1: to those people in general, Like my skin is just
Speaker 1: not suited for that kind of harsh like e. I
Speaker 1: have a fourteen year old her and she's like, wait,
Speaker 1: they do what they what happens? And I'm like, you
Speaker 1: don't mean to know, okay.
Speaker 2: It's got to be inconceivable to children.
Speaker 1: Right, They're very confused, like they take the thing and
Speaker 1: then they pull it on like yes, and she's like
Speaker 1: does it I'm like beyond okay, it's not like hurt.
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I did a home wax. Once I got that, I.
Speaker 4: Think nare oh yeah yeah, used to make a wax strip,
Speaker 4: not just like it was hair removal, right, So it
Speaker 4: was like I think there was a cream that like
Speaker 4: immediately gave you like a horrible rash.
Speaker 1: Tried to hold that at home. Yes, it's like awful.
Speaker 2: Abuse in a sanitarium, right, But then there came out
Speaker 2: with wax and it was like pieces of paper and
Speaker 2: you stuck together with a wax, and you warmed it
Speaker 2: up with your hand and you put it on and
Speaker 2: you waited until it cooled a little bit, and then
Speaker 2: you ripped it yourself and in patches. But what was
Speaker 2: uniform was bruising. I was completely bruised.
Speaker 1: Horrible. Do you remember the blue stuff? There was some
Speaker 1: blue stuff like blue wax, and I bought it and
Speaker 1: took it home, and like my kitchen just never recovered.
Speaker 1: There was just blue strings everywhere.
Speaker 2: Remember this, did you have to heat it up?
Speaker 1: The heated and then like somehow not burn yourself. But
Speaker 1: also anytime you would take it, it would just be
Speaker 1: what a nightmare, the things we go through. So I
Speaker 1: love that storyline, even though it is the lesser storyline,
Speaker 1: it's such a good storyline. And also she meets him
Speaker 1: by like getting in his cat and I would never
Speaker 1: do that. I would never do that. I would not
Speaker 1: recommend that. But of course she's Samantha and she can
Speaker 1: do anything. But that was pretty funny. But the Miranda
Speaker 1: storyline also like, and this reminds me of like, you know,
Speaker 1: when when she thinks she's gonna die in the cast
Speaker 1: to eat her face and when she eats the cake.
Speaker 1: Like there are these really really incredibly sweet Miranda storylines
Speaker 1: where I'm just like, oh my god, I love her
Speaker 1: so much, you love her so much, And it's also
Speaker 1: like it's sad, like her neck goes out, but also
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that Carrie actually has an actual meeting,
Speaker 1: but for some reason never tells Miranda that she has
Speaker 1: this work meeting.
Speaker 2: No, she started to say it, and Miranda says.
Speaker 1: Thanks bye, and the bars because like Miranda would understand
Speaker 1: that because we're talking about work in the whole episode, right,
Speaker 1: but she never hears this, and for me, because.
Speaker 2: She's in so much pain.
Speaker 1: And then she drops the phone.
Speaker 2: As Carrie is trying to say, but I have a
Speaker 2: meeting with my Miranda goes.
Speaker 1: Thanks, bye and bye.
Speaker 2: And then she just gets progressively worse. But that is
Speaker 2: like exactly what you're saying, where her vocal intonations the
Speaker 2: whole time she's on the ground don't come in, and
Speaker 2: how like she's so vulnerable and desperate and hurt and yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: when her defenses are down, you know they're down. He's
Speaker 2: desperate and just.
Speaker 1: Like super strong and then not extra.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, in desperate need of help, and Aiden is
Speaker 2: the perfect guy to go. I do get that, I know.
Speaker 1: And then he wraps her and she holds the rug
Speaker 1: to cover herself. Yeah, and he says, snug is a
Speaker 1: bugget a rug.
Speaker 2: He walks in, he has the towel and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: smells good. That's that downy fresh stuff or something. He's
Speaker 2: talking about the fabric softener and he puts the towel
Speaker 2: on time. I looked up who the director was. I've
Speaker 2: never worked with this person again watching this Michael Angler. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he does downt Nabby and I think Gilded Age also
Speaker 2: with Cynthia next time. I'm guessing yes, they probably. Every
Speaker 2: single moment serves a purpose. Nothing is lost, nothing is extra,
Speaker 2: everything is moving the story forward and offering information and insight.
Speaker 2: Like right, it's an incredibly good episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, And we should say that it is written by
Speaker 1: Jessica Bendinger, who is someone that I don't know which
Speaker 1: every time we have one by her, I'm like, we
Speaker 1: must find this woman. She was not one of our
Speaker 1: writers who was with us all the time, which which
Speaker 1: most of them were right, right, So it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I think this is maybe the third or fourth that
Speaker 1: we've had from her, even from the very beginning. But
Speaker 1: I think she was here in LA and sending scripts,
Speaker 1: which is not our norm Our normal was you were
Speaker 1: in New York, you were in the room with us,
Speaker 1: not even in the room like on the set, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Wherever we were on the set
Speaker 1: present if we wanted to discuss something, they were they
Speaker 1: were like talk to us, you know, which was so incredible,
Speaker 1: right as you know, normally they're just off some somewhere
Speaker 1: in the writer's room or whatever. But I don't know her,
Speaker 1: but this is a really really solid, solid episode in
Speaker 1: every single way. And I think Corbett is so incredibly good.
Speaker 1: I had totally forgotten about this bartender girl. Who is she?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? I was like, that is upsetting, Okay,
Speaker 1: this sometimes I really still have very I have very
Speaker 1: Her name is Gretchen Cleveley. She plays Pia. Interesting. She's
Speaker 1: very good because she's like very in it with Corbett,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like the second you
Speaker 1: see them, they're very lucked in in their scenes with corbettosies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're playing Jackson. Yes, Carrie has to introduce her.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's super lame, right, Like she's teaching you
Speaker 1: to play jacks, Like, really, Aiden, you don't know how
Speaker 1: to play jacks. That's super interesting. Okay, Like every element
Speaker 1: of it I think is so perfect. And I was
Speaker 1: so impressed with Carrie in the first scene in her
Speaker 1: super cute part of skirt, this like down low on
Speaker 1: her stomach of the outfit we see the first I
Speaker 1: think this is the first time we're seeing the fanny pack.
Speaker 1: And it's very present, very present in this episode and
Speaker 1: looks fantastic. I understand the whole trend, but she's very
Speaker 1: I think she plays it very cool in that first
Speaker 1: scene with with them, Like I would have been much
Speaker 1: more like what the like right away?
Speaker 2: You know. I kind of feel like she does a
Speaker 2: little bit in that very sort of Carrie presentational way.
Speaker 2: She's like, so at night with the guys, huh and
Speaker 2: oh yeah, the guys blew me off, and she's and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh so Steve, oh and uh where is Steve?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, But the fact that she even
Speaker 1: right she she has like some sense of humor about it.
Speaker 2: She's holding on she's holding her anger, yeah, because I
Speaker 2: think she recognizes he's leaking revenge. He can't stop himself.
Speaker 1: It's super passive aggressive.
Speaker 2: Pushing buttons to see what she'll take.
Speaker 1: It's messed up. It's messed up, but it's understandable. It's
Speaker 1: very understandable. But it would be so much better if
Speaker 1: they could just talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but whatever, Maybe you're a fifty they would have.
Speaker 1: I know, well, probably they would have, because we did.
Speaker 1: We did talk a lot more and just like that.
Speaker 1: But I don't think people necessarily always liked it. But
Speaker 1: that's okay.
Speaker 2: I did, and I was mortified that it didn't get
Speaker 2: picked up. I was so confused. My husband and I
Speaker 2: both were like, who made that decision? That doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sad.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it makes any sense either. All
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say but thank you for caring, thank you
Speaker 1: for carrying. I appreciate that so much.
Speaker 2: I still have hope. We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're done. I don't think we're.
Speaker 2: You can't be done, you can't get done. I'm on
Speaker 2: a show that's been canceled. I was fired and then
Speaker 2: brought back.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, can we talk about that for a minute. Oh,
Speaker 1: because wow, why what on earth happened when I got fired? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was I think it was season six or seven
Speaker 2: or something, okay, and we did a put pilot. This
Speaker 2: is if you if listeners don't know, this is a
Speaker 2: show called Criminalizing was on CBS for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: A bunch of profilers show.
Speaker 5: Fbis it's big internationally show, but we're we're the show
Speaker 5: is owned by so many companies that no one will
Speaker 5: put any money into it because they don't all get
Speaker 5: all the money back.
Speaker 2: It's fine. It's why we're still alive. It's why we're
Speaker 2: still shooting in LA. We have our crew, everyone sat guy.
Speaker 2: We're just like an under the radar sci show that's
Speaker 2: that does really well all over the world. So in
Speaker 2: season six or seven, we did a what's I guess
Speaker 2: it's called a put pilot, I'm not sure or an
Speaker 2: embedded pilot.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So it took this group of FBI profilers that's always
Speaker 2: on every Wednesday at nine o'clock on CBS, and they
Speaker 2: were building a spin off pilot inside of an episode
Speaker 2: of our show Wow with Oh now I don't know, now,
Speaker 2: I don't know everyone's name, Okay. Forrest Whitaker was like
Speaker 2: the big guy. It was say go on, yeah, ok
Speaker 2: and so people you know, but we shot in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: We had never left LA. We shoot all over LA
Speaker 2: and Long Beach and Fraser Park and Land Cat you
Speaker 2: know whatever, but we'd never gone to another part of
Speaker 2: the state. Right, So this pilot inside our episode was
Speaker 2: shot in San Francisco. And apparently this is what I
Speaker 2: heard when Les Moonvez, who is famously ousted president of CBS,
Speaker 2: when he got the pilot inside of our episode, he
Speaker 2: it was the first time he'd watched the show because
Speaker 2: the show just performed. It was never going it's never
Speaker 2: going to be nominated for an award. It's never going
Speaker 2: to be We're never going to shoot in Paris like
Speaker 2: it's very solid exactly. So we think he saw the
Speaker 2: show for the first time in years and just said, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't like those women. Get rid of and so
Speaker 2: Aj Cook and I were fire her for and my
Speaker 2: agent went in and had a big fight with them
Speaker 2: and kept me. Aj was out. They kept me for
Speaker 2: fifteen episodes or something while I trained on the show.
Speaker 2: My character trains the character who took AJ's part. Oh,
Speaker 2: and they looked so similar that people ran photos of
Speaker 2: this new actress saying it was Aj. For six or
Speaker 2: seven years after the replacement, and she's fine, she's great,
Speaker 2: she's lovely. She lasted a year, ok, and then they
Speaker 2: fired her and brought AJ back.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: When I finished my fifteen episodes, they said please stay
Speaker 2: and I was like you, I'm so mad. I'm so
Speaker 2: mad at you.
Speaker 1: Don't.
Speaker 2: I do not accept this. And I left for four
Speaker 2: years and it was great. I did a show called Grandfa.
Speaker 2: I did a show called Another Period for Comedy Central,
Speaker 2: a bunch of drunk histories. I did Community the same, amazing,
Speaker 2: like I did a lot of free went back to
Speaker 2: comedy and had a great time. But during that time,
Speaker 2: fans would come up to me and be like, why
Speaker 2: why are you? Why are you on? And after four years,
Speaker 2: because I really did hold on to that anger for
Speaker 2: too long, it was a healthy thing to hold on to.
Speaker 2: Beau were like we were early, we knew our lines,
Speaker 2: we never got into fights, we never you.
Speaker 1: Know, I mean, I'm real.
Speaker 2: We were really angry and a J was asked back
Speaker 2: a year after she was gone, and she's she's just
Speaker 2: a nicer person than I am. And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: from a from a tight anger and fear based Massachusetts people.
Speaker 2: So I held on to be Anger for too long,
Speaker 2: and after four years, I finally thought, why am I not?
Speaker 2: I love everyone there, I just don't like less Moonvez
Speaker 2: and I never have to see him because he doesn't
Speaker 2: care about this show. So I agreed to guest star.
Speaker 2: And then the first day I showed up to guest star,
Speaker 2: there was an altercation between one of the actors in
Speaker 2: the cast and a writer that led to the actor
Speaker 2: being let go.
Speaker 1: What okay?
Speaker 2: So my god, it's just a sad situation all around,
Speaker 2: and something I don't really want to I don't want
Speaker 2: to know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, so I can't.
Speaker 2: But when that was inevitable and the studio had made
Speaker 2: a decision and it was over, this person was no
Speaker 2: longer going to be on the cast, the writers and
Speaker 2: studio and network said to me, please come back, and
Speaker 2: now your character be the boss.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: I like that, and I said okay, And then I fought.
Speaker 2: I fought and fought and fought to try to get
Speaker 2: my episodic fee close to what the men were making. Yes,
Speaker 2: because we were always paid less. So then because I
Speaker 2: was like, well I kind of have them over a barrel.
Speaker 2: They need me more than I need this show, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. So I got my episode fee way up.
Speaker 2: Amaze what it was. Then when the other female cast members,
Speaker 2: their contracts were up, and so I said, this is
Speaker 2: what I got, go get more. You stayed and I
Speaker 2: was at So then they went in and they got bigger.
Speaker 2: And then my contract was up and no, actually my
Speaker 2: contract wasn't up. They got raises. And then the next
Speaker 2: year because I told them this is what I'm getting,
Speaker 2: you should get more, we get more. I did. Then
Speaker 2: my contract was not up and and my husband said,
Speaker 2: you're going back. Why don't you ask to make what
Speaker 2: they're making. And I was like, they're never going to
Speaker 2: do that. I'm signed. And he was like, just say
Speaker 2: you want parody, give it a shot. Yeah, And I said, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I asked. I told my lawyer, my manager, and they
Speaker 2: were like, we can ask. They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: They called the next day and said they're gonna pay.
Speaker 1: Oh oh my god.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, amazing, Thank god, I don't have a prenup.
Speaker 2: My husband deserved it, like it was his idea.
Speaker 1: That's adorable, that's a good husband.
Speaker 2: Well we're so beaten down yet thinking well, of course
Speaker 2: we're not making as much as the men, why would
Speaker 2: we we do?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh this is over. That's over now.
Speaker 2: I do not accept that, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't. That's radically it's.
Speaker 1: Hard, though, it's really hard. I find it a really
Speaker 1: hard thing always. My thing is like, you know, if
Speaker 1: you love the thing right, then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would do it for free, right, But you
Speaker 2: can't say that.
Speaker 1: No, it's like really hard for me. And I feel
Speaker 1: like what happens at least back when we all started right,
Speaker 1: or when we were getting like the beginning is a success.
Speaker 1: The way to fight really hard would be not to
Speaker 1: go to work.
Speaker 2: Oh I wouldn't. I could never ever do that, but
Speaker 2: I knew guys who did. There were actors. One day
Speaker 2: someone suddenly got bitten by a poisonous spider and a
Speaker 2: week later they got a huge race. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's how this works. I would never do that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that to the writers, but.
Speaker 1: Either because you know those people, right, I.
Speaker 2: Want to screw those people up right.
Speaker 1: The idea that would they would be sitting at work
Speaker 1: going like, well, you know, I don't know, Chris is
Speaker 1: may not come in like, I can't even say I
Speaker 1: can't even live with that thought, much less do it,
Speaker 1: you know. And so in the beginning I always thought
Speaker 1: that that's what you had to do, because that's the
Speaker 1: only way I'd ever seen at work. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just not going to do that. I just can't.
Speaker 2: That's not who I am, and I don't I choose
Speaker 2: my choice. I choose I choose my choice an independent
Speaker 2: operator who's going to screw other people to get up right.
Speaker 1: Because they have to live with yourself. That is who
Speaker 1: you are. I don't want to be did not want
Speaker 1: to do that right, and that seemed to be there
Speaker 1: were no in betweens, right, there was this, and there's that,
Speaker 1: you know, and so I thought, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to have less money than I might
Speaker 1: have had, which is annoying, but I still can live
Speaker 1: with myself, right. And so it's so great that you
Speaker 1: were able to find another way to do that, and
Speaker 1: also that obviously you were a team player and doing
Speaker 1: an excellent job in the first place and wrongly fired
Speaker 1: and then god it came back around for you me too.
Speaker 2: And I'm extremely thankful for that.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the hair because I really,
Speaker 1: really I am jealous. Okay, how did it happen? I'm
Speaker 1: super into it.
Speaker 2: I was afforded every opportunity the last year, when we
Speaker 2: knew Criminal Minds was ending at CBS and we were
Speaker 2: going to shoot season fifteen and be done, I asked
Speaker 2: our showrunner, Erica Messer, may I wear a wig for
Speaker 2: this last year. So that's a whole. And my hair
Speaker 2: looked like a wig anyway. It was like black bangs,
Speaker 2: black long hair. I was dying my roots on, you know,
Speaker 2: every other weekend because I can't sit in a salon chair.
Speaker 2: Oh it's hard if I don't have to do it
Speaker 2: in the morning. Sure, I'm learning my lines, I'm getting
Speaker 2: a blowout.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't going to be doing and I started
Speaker 2: going gray when I was twenty eight. Oh, I didn't
Speaker 2: even know what was under there.
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I love it now, but man, no, the in between.
Speaker 2: She let me wear a wig, but I had to
Speaker 2: cut it down to a crew cut, and that worked.
Speaker 2: When I was eighteen. I had a crew cut. When
Speaker 2: I was eighteen, I had died permanent for so long
Speaker 2: that I couldn't strip go black and brown out. So
Speaker 2: it went down to this. Now we finished Criminal Minds
Speaker 2: season fifteen, I am just wearing hats all the time
Speaker 2: because I look like at its longest, I look like
Speaker 2: George Washington, it's springing, it's short. I am unattractive. I
Speaker 2: am not rocking this hairstyle, and I feel awful, so
Speaker 2: I'm not sexy. My husband's doing everything in his power.
Speaker 2: He's like, baby, you look great. Let me touch that
Speaker 2: fuzz on the back. You're like, oh, that's so. It
Speaker 2: feels so cool, it's beautiful. He's the best. Oh again, yeah,
Speaker 2: so but then pandemic. So now I have two years
Speaker 2: wow to grow it out. And I love it long,
Speaker 2: like your length. I prefer I want this length.
Speaker 1: It's so gorgeous.
Speaker 2: But when it got to the bob, I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm coming out of the funk. At least it's like
Speaker 2: I can't put it in a ponytail. But it took
Speaker 2: so long. Wow, and I would. And when when women
Speaker 2: and women do compliment me a lot, like they they
Speaker 2: love it, and they'll they're they're dyeing their hair. I
Speaker 2: can tell some of them a little bit of gray
Speaker 2: at the roots. They're like I want to do it,
Speaker 2: and I say, be prepared to cut all of your
Speaker 2: hair off because you're not going to get that die
Speaker 2: out and you're not gonna like it. You're gonna feel
Speaker 2: like crap for year or two. And I had the pandemic.
Speaker 2: I had a year of wig and two years of pandemic.
Speaker 2: So I got it. When we came out of the pandemic,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm a goddess.
Speaker 1: Thank God, But I know you had such foresight, Like
Speaker 1: this was really really smart of you. I mean, it's impressive.
Speaker 2: I think it's all luck. I think it's all luck.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing was the last year of Criminal Minds,
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna grow my hair out
Speaker 2: gray and then I'm going to do like all kinds
Speaker 2: of different parts with gray hair. And then pandemic hits
Speaker 2: nothing and the whole I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: be on like a really cutting edge streaming show with
Speaker 2: my gray hair. And then when Paramount Plus picked us
Speaker 2: up during the pandemic, then you were I went in
Speaker 2: and said, I can wear the wig, I have the hair,
Speaker 2: I have real hair wig, or we can do the gray.
Speaker 2: It's up to you. I don't care. I'm in the
Speaker 2: hair chair for eight minutes my real hair. I get
Speaker 2: a beautiful blowout, and they went to Paramount Plus with
Speaker 2: like photos. First I went to the DP and I said,
Speaker 2: is this going to be difficult to light? He was like,
Speaker 2: I love it, amazing. The showrunner was like I love
Speaker 2: it amazing. He says, I love it. U PM great.
Speaker 2: So then I then they went to this. They said
Speaker 2: we have to run it by the studio and I
Speaker 2: still was like, I can wig or not fine, and
Speaker 2: the studio said we love the gray, which was a shock.
Speaker 2: I did not think that was going to happen. Good
Speaker 2: for them, Yeah, it was very surprise.
Speaker 1: Also super smart of how you went about it, because
Speaker 1: I think what happens as an actor or actress, especially
Speaker 1: if you have it I am doing this, that's when
Speaker 1: things go wrong.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, you're yeah, Yeah, we're yeah. And I
Speaker 2: got But I mean I did understand that I had
Speaker 2: presented as this brunette for the whole time. You know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't really doing If I did, I would do
Speaker 2: comedies and wigs. But but when I went gray and
Speaker 2: it was shorter, the only show that cast me was
Speaker 2: Mom ha ha. That Alison Janny Anna Faris. I was
Speaker 2: cast with very short gray hair, and they said, we
Speaker 2: don't need to put a wig on you. Oh. When
Speaker 2: I did a bunch of episodes of How I Met
Speaker 2: your Father, they wigged me, and so I was always like,
Speaker 2: I don't care, I'll wig not wig. Things are wigs
Speaker 2: are done so well now in the hands of a
Speaker 2: professional that you could beat, you can be anything.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. I never even think of this.
Speaker 1: I just go to that salon all the damn time.
Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this chat with Paget Brewster. She's
Speaker 1: really really fun and we're going to have part two
Speaker 1: later this week, so please join us on Are You
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