WEBVTT - Stuart Stevens & Alex Gibney 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.520 today's best minds and New York State Attorney General Tis 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.000 James says Trump still owes four hundred and fifty four 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:16.960 million dollars in the civil judgment. We have such a 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.680 great show for you today, The Lincoln Projects Stuart Steven 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.640 stops by to talk about the shifting political landscape. Then 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.600 we'll talk to director Alex Gibney about his new film, 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.959 The BB Files and the parallels between Trump and net Yahoo. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.000 But first the news Samali. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.720 Christopher Ray, FBI director not supposed to be done with 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:41.200 this term? 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.840 Is done with this term? What are we seeing here? 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.680 So he has three more years on his term. He 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.040 was you'll remember, put in place by Donald Trump during 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:55.120 Donald Trump's first term in office, when he put people 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.560 who were slightly less crazy into jobs. Here's the thing. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.160 Trump wants to replace Christopher Ray with Cash Battel. He's 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.840 already said that cash Battel wants to find Trump's enemies 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.880 and prosecute them a la Herbert Hoover. This is a 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:17.119 real paradigm shift. We will see if cash Battel gets 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.400 through the vetting process. I don't know that it's a 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:24.400 huge surprise that Ray resigned because Trump would have the 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.200 power to fire him. In my mind, it's a bit 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.280 strange that he resigned in December when Trump still doesn't 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:34.240 take office for another month and a half. But obviously 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:35.680 there's something going on there. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.319 It's a great vacation month, raight, It's a. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:43.280 Great vacation month. Look, here's the thing about this. Cash 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.520 Battel is not necessarily going to head the FBI. He 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.680 may get through, but the Senators have an opportunity here 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.720 to prevent it. And if cash Battel does get through, 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:59.720 there really is a sense in which Cash will likely 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.040 investigate Trump's enemies, and that will mean that Trump will 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:07.120 have even more power. Right now, he's got Elon Musk 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:12.440 telling senators that if they decide that they don't want 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.919 to support one of Trump's nominees, they're going to get primary. Now, 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.919 this has not worked. The Senate is a longer range 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.760 situation where people are they have the seats for six years. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.160 It's a bit different. It has worked in the House. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.000 They did were able to have an act of revenge 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.040 tour in the House and primary. All of these senators 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:38.280 who voted to impeach Trump. But here's the thing. If 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.680 cash Battel does get in there, the people who are 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.640 going to end up getting investigated. As much as it'll 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.760 be people like us or people like George Conway, it'll 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.480 also be people like Republican senators who don't do what 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.680 Trump wants. Because Herbert Hoover, you know, he didn't have 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:00.280 a ton of loyalties. So look, maybe cash Battel makes 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.440 it in there. But what I think we should keep 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.920 remembering about all of this is this coalition of the 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.600 Maga has a lot of different wants and needs. It's 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.800 a very big tent that involves both Zionists and anti Semites, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.040 and I think is going to be very unwieldy. Unwieldy. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.360 I'm trying to think we U said the Coalition of 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.960 the Willing, is this like the Coalition of the unwitty? 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:24.280 Like, what are we thinking this is? 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.399 Remember during the Gulf War when they were like, this 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:29.760 is the new Europe. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.160 Yeah, yeah, that's what we're. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.560 Gonna have to workshop this before next episode. 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.120 The Coalition of the New Europe. 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.360 So it's not one of our headline segments without having 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.160 to talk about the stupidity of one Elon Musk. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:44.360 What are you seeing here? 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.920 So Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, who 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:52.320 now has installed a very rich man as president. His 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:57.320 net worth went up fifty billion dollars because SpaceX, which 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.680 is a privately held space company, which you know, look, 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.760 this is crony capitalism right here. Elon helps to install 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.600 a president who will give him the contracts he wants 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.320 so that he can go to space now the public market. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.200 This is a private company, but it's going to go public, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:20.440 and the senses that this is going to help him 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.680 and that the stock, the Space stock, will go crazy. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:30.000 You know, the Trump election made Wall Street feel that 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.960 they would not have more government regulation. You'll remember that 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.279 during the Biden administration they tried to break up some 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:41.960 of the monopolies. They tried to put in some environmental regulations, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.360 some corporate regulations, some of these things that are really 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.680 greatly needed because unfedered capitalism has gotten us to a 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.760 place where the wealth inequality in this country is staggering. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.920 The hope was that some of that wealth inequality could 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:03.640 be reversed. But unfortunate people voted for the billionaire and 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.800 because they felt things were too expensive, and now the 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.279 billionaire is helping make all of his friends richer. I mean, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.839 this is sort of what we saw coming. I think 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.239 we'll see more of this kind of thing. Remember, Stale 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.880 SpaceX hasn't gone public yet. A lot of this money 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.560 is purely theoretical. But Tesla stock is up about sixty 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.760 five percent since before the election, buoled by the expectations 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.679 that Trump will streamline the rollout of self driving cars, 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.720 which again would be a regulatory issue. And Musk is 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.320 going into the government. So here is this guy who 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.600 owns all these companies going into the government to make 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.359 the government more efficient. And the thinking is by a 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.120 lot of investors that this will also serve elon so MAYA. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:52.080 Senator Susan Collens, Republican Domain met with Pete Heigsith and 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.400 apparently questioned him. I'm sure it went about as hard 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.840 as when I questioned my dog about what plant they 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.320 ate in the backyard, and things like that might go 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.280 harder on my dog. To be honest, what do you 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:03.039 think happened here? 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.560 You know, I'm going to chastise you for a minute 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:06.120 for not. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.680 The gig that Susan Collins is a serious person who 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.520 tells the truth when she does statements. 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:12.760 Okay, I'll take it. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.840 She said she's not sure she's going to support him. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.200 Right, Well, she's been not sure of a lot of things, right. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.240 But this is a math prom, right, this is a 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.920 math prom You need Collins, you need Murkowski. You can 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:29.040 lose Collins and Murkowski, but you can't lose two others. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.039 So I think the worst thing we can do is 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.280 assume these people are not going to do their fucking jobs. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.200 And maybe they won't and we'll be furious. I think 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.279 that it's a cop out to let them to say 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.480 we don't expect this, We expect this. This is Susan 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.960 Collins's fucking job. She is up for reelection in two 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.719 years in a purple state, really in a blue state, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.960 and if she wants to keep her job, and this 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.159 is the same thing with Tom Tilla's. I mean, Tom 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.880 Tillis is up for two years in a state that 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.440 has a democratic governor. Now, and these people need to 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.320 do their jobs, and it is not fair to give 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.560 them any kind of pass. This is their constitutional job. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.880 And look, every time the Senate rolls over and does 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.360 what Trump wants, they are giving away their power. They 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:21.720 are no longer a relevant body. This is all they 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:27.240 have are these very few opportunities to enact guardrails, and 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.920 voters should expect it, and they should fucking call them. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.760 You know, by the way, if you're listening to this 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:36.640 and you're furious, call Susan Collins's office, Call Tom Tillis's office. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.600 They need to hear from you. They need to know 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.320 that you're watching them. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:41.520 That I agree with. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.200 I just don't trust her to do the right thing 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.480 and I trust her to say middling answers. Okay, well, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.120 now we get to the real bullshit. You and I 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.480 the listeners may not know this, Somali, Let's give them 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.680 a look behind the scenes. We are extremely gossipy people. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.240 Do you think they're shocked by this? 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.239 Well, I I'm just happy when the Daily Mail writes 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:03.680 stories about people who are not me. 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.480 Yes, sir, you have said that. And so for those 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.440 who aren't gossipy like us. Some people may not know 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.440 that Donald Trump Junior has a new girlfriend. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.360 This story has been sort of bubbling around. He has 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.520 a girlfriend called Bettina Anderson who lives in Pombied and 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.840 he's been around with her. Now you know, he's divorced 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.840 but he is technically engaged to get moving, Jill Foil. 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.280 Technically technically. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.880 What's interesting about this is Donald Trump Junior's private citizen. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.560 You know, good luck to him. No, the reason why 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.800 this is interesting is because it seems like his dad 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.840 is going to make Kimberly Gilfoyle the ambassador of Greece. Now, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.040 I am all about selective outrage, so I do not 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:52.480 necessarily think that being outraged about an ambassadorship is anything worse. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.520 I mean, they're all sleazy Democrats do what sleazy Republicans 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.040 do it sleazy you know, they tend to be quid 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:00.480 pro quoll for big donors. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.320 The rarest both sides thing that you and I would say, yes, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:04.559 both sides. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.839 This one thing. Both sides do. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.080 It stock trading too well. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.480 Not totally relevant, but we'll keep going. I'm just saying, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.480 but yeah, both sides do this. No good can come 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.280 from it. But the reason why I wanted to talk 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.160 about this was because it shows the way in which 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.880 the Trump government takes care of the Trump brand. Again, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.680 this is to be expected in Trump world. Though I 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.960 do think it's a harbinger of bad things to come, 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.880 in my mind, but I think it's also really like 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.040 keep watching what they're doing behind the scenes, keep watching 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.720 the way they're sort of rewarding people. I think that's 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.880 relevant and important. So I wanted to bring that up. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.839 And you know, look, Don Junior, God bless him, but 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.040 Kimberly Gofile is being moved to grease for a very 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.920 clear reason, and it's worth thinking about that. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.240 I just like to think, as you especially the letter 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:08.280 announcing it. He did one of his famous bye bye honey, I. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.559 Look at you know, I think she's probably pretty happy 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:11.199 to have the job. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:12.400 I dope dot it. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:21.320 Stuart Stephens is a legendary campaign manager and the author 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.280 of the Conspiracy to End America Five Ways My Old 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:29.800 Party is Driving our Democracy to Autocracy. Welcome back to 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.280 Fast Politics, Stuart Stephens. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.960 Were thanks, Molly, appreciate you asking. 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.839 Here we are? How did we get here? 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.800 Well, that's a profound question, a really good question, you know. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.080 The A couple of things really strike me. When Trump 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.120 won in twenty sixteen, there was a great outcry, a 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.800 lot of demonstrations. People seemed shocked. Now he's won again, 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.440 and people, for the most part seem to be just 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.160 kind of shrugging. I don't think that's a good sign. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.559 I think that's a sign of normalization. And what he's 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.640 proposing now to do with the government is obviously more 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.400 severe and extreme and dangerous than what he was proposing 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.760 this time in twenty sixteen. You know, I've been involved 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.920 in these presidential campaigns for you won and you lost. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.760 I think it's always tempting to use a loss as 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.080 a reason to push a pet theory. If only you 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.520 had done this, you would have won, because there's no 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.680 control to disprove it. I think the Trump coalition is 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.360 very unsustainable. I don't buy that the Republican Party has 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.600 created this new multicultural coalition. You know, in Bush Royld 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.120 in two thousand and four, we got up to forty 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:45.560 three percent of Hispanics, but then that dropped thirty one 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.600 or so for Romney and McCain. And Romney and McCain, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.199 we're talking about the forty millions for all to talk 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.160 about African Americans. Harris ended up getting about the same 0:11:56.160 --> 0:12:00.920 as Biden. So the Trump base is still non college 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:05.640 educated whites. That's the fastest large demographic that is declining. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.000 Two thousand, it was sixty percent of the electric Now 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.880 it's thirty eight percent. And it's interesting to me. You know, 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.920 we talk about how Harris doesn't win college educated voters. 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.640 She wins non college educated voters if they're not white, right. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.760 She actually wins college educated white voters. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.479 Yeah, there's a great trend in politics to say demographics 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.760 are destiny. Then a great trend to say demographics are 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.760 not destiny. I'm kind of in the demographics of destiny camp. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.719 The country is becoming a minority majority country if you're 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:40.560 sixteen years in younger majority or non white. So I 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.640 don't think that there's anything that Trump is going to 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.240 do that is going to increase his popularity. I think 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.080 he's at a higher order mark now, which would not 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:54.760 be a typical for any president. But what he's proposing 0:12:54.840 --> 0:13:00.480 to do, particularly the deportation, if you actually do that 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:05.680 and have thousands of paramilitary law enforcement rounding up brown people, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.280 it's going to be such a shock. And if you're Hispanic, 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.560 he voted for Trump maybe because of the economy, and 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.920 he's deporting your father in law, Just not so sure 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.440 that's going to keep you stuck to Trump. These attacks 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.720 on journalists, these nuts like Caspitel. I think the whole 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.400 Elon Musk thing is not going to wear well. You 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.120 can't have two extreme narcissists on the same stage for 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.040 very long. And at a certain point, you know, Musk 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:36.200 and Ramasamy are weirdos, but they're not stupid. And at 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.280 a certain point they're going to realize to belong to 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.520 a committee that the only other person is Marjorie Taylor 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:47.720 Green is an insult. This crazy stuff they're proposing. They're 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.840 not going to pass any of this stuff. It's like 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.440 deals with anything. Cutting entitlements, you know, they may found 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.600 that there's some and they will find if you go 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.280 into government, you can find that there's things. Why is 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:03.839 there a big grant study the appropriation rate of polar bears? Well, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.720 that actually probably is a reason to that. But you're 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.320 not going to be able to go in and cut 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.120 tradions of dollars without having a fracture in the civil 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.720 contract in America. So I'm optimistic. I think Democrats should 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.160 have a very good year. I wish the Democrats were 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:25.600 more aggressive about defining these crazy nominees and the risk 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:30.840 of these nominees. They seem to be taking a approach that, well, 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.080 we'll focus on this when they come up. I need'd 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.520 be better if they were out there holding press conferences 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:41.480 and doing whatever they can to show the danger of them, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.120 So you're not leaving it to the last moment, you know. 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.960 To me, if you look back, the model for gold standard, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.240 as it were for communications on that center left side 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.800 was the January sixth Committee. They did a brilliant job 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.600 of making it relevant, of telling a story, and I 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.760 think that there to be well advised to look at 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.080 what they did successfully then and try to imitate it. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:11.480 Now, let's talk through for a minute what the sort 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.480 of Trump coalition he has, this coalition, I mean, we 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:19.040 are in this Usually what happens between administrations is there's 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:24.240 this seventy plus day period where everyone is kind of 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:29.440 muted because there's a sense in which you want to 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:34.440 give the coming administration a chance. I'm just saying historically, 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.280 I personally don't necessarily feel this way, but there's historically 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:43.160 the sort of seventy whatever plus days before the inauguration, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.240 between the election and the inauguration is a period when 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.840 everyone is like hopes against hope that things will go okay. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.440 I'm curious when we talk about this coalition that Trump has. 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.080 You have white, non college educated a lot of young 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:03.880 people a lot, but more young people than perhaps many 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.680 of us thought. Then you have a kind of he 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.640 did way better with Hispanic voters than perhaps he could 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.560 have dreamed, you know, places like the Rio Grand Valey 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.600 voting for him. And then you have non college educated, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.840 older people, white people. There's a mix, but that's largely 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.960 the coalition. It strikes me that the two biggest things 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:34.120 on Trump's agenda right now are deportation and tax cuts, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.480 and everything else is sort of shades, but tax cuts 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.680 for the very wealthy because those are about to expire, 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.320 and deportation. I'm wondering if you could just explain to 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.600 us sort of Republicans they will soon have a one 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.800 seat majority in the House of Representatives. Mike Johnson is 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.960 not Paul Ryan by any stretch of the imagination. In 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.800 order to deport a million people, two million people, he 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.240 wants to deport, you know, more people than there are 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.680 quote unquote I legal immigrants. Don't you need money for those? 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.359 Yeah, you need money. It's a massive logistical operation. So 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.120 you're going to build holding camps with them. Really, we're 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.760 really going to do that in America in twenty twenty five. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.240 People are going to compayn them my tax dollars to 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:21.440 set up internment camps. And this idea that well, we're 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.239 not going to separate families is we're going to take 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:27.439 them all. Like that little issue on this is so 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.320 you know, it's been reported that Elon Musk a lot 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:35.560 about his student status during his naturalization process. If that's true, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.639 that's grounds to lose his citizenship. That means if we 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.479 deport Elon Musk, we'reing to deport his children too. Really, 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.440 the spectacle of it is going to be so offensive, 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.679 and you go back to the cases that we know 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:55.800 of police brutality resulted in deaths is ongoing issue, and 0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:02.159 then you have one specific horrible image video. You know, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.679 all of this is not going to go down quietly. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.720 It's going to be people recording on their phones when 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.560 they're coming into homes. I still don't think this is 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.440 where America is. I think the key thing for people 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:20.440 who didn't vote for Trump is to not be deluded 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.280 that you were wrong. It just made you lost an election. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.600 You know, I grew up in Mississippi and I remember 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.720 sitting around watching my parents. They would support all these 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.560 candidates who are not segregationists. Then they would lose. That 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.400 didn't make my parents want to believe that they should 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:38.440 be segregationists. And I think that's very important to keep 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.640 that we're right there wrong. If you support a president 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.159 who wants to jail former members of Congress because they 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.440 investigated the greatest attack on the capital since the War 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:54.119 of eighteen twelve, If you support a president who wants 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:58.320 to jail journalists for doing their job, you're not a patriot. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.120 You're not. I don't think we should give them that space, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.400 should give them that sort of benefit of the doubt. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:10.280 That's not just a difference of opinion, it's a completely 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:12.720 different view of what it means to be an American. 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:18.160 Yeah, we're in this sort of cabinet secretary run up. 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:23.200 Republicans have an opportunity to engage in their constitutional duty 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:27.639 of advising consent Article two, Section two. You know Gates 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.480 is out. This is something victory is even a small 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.760 victory is a victory. The reporting was a Ted Cruz 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:35.920 called Donald Trump and said, you don't have the votes. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.879 What do you think about where they are right now? 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.440 It goes back to my talks about Democrats and needing 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.159 to do a better job. I think democrats ought to 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.360 be out there saying we're going to ask every nominee 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.640 do you believe Donald Trump lost a free and fair 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.360 election in twenty sixteen? And if they say no, we're 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.560 not going to vote for you, nothing else matters. If 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.399 you're Marco Rubio and you say no, we're not going 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.800 to vote for you, that should be a standard. It 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.560 should be a standard. Do you believe that the Ellens 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.840 who were convicted for assaulting police officers on January sixth, 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.200 twenty one should be pardoned? If you say yes, you're 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.280 disqualified for being a cabinet member, I think they ought 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.680 to start off every hearing that way. Do you believe? 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.760 Because what Trump is trying to do is erect his 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.960 loyalty test. Isn't a test are you loyal to me? 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.920 In the same way you would say is a vice 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.720 president loyal to a president? The loyalty test is do 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:32.200 you believe I Donald Trump have the ability to override 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:36.480 the Constitution. It's like the fura oath, and you can't 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:40.160 allow that to happen because that undermines the whole concept 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:44.600 of the Bill of rights, whole concept of rule of law. 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.600 So I think those are to be threshold questions and 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.960 I wish Democrats would be out there hitting this harder. 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.920 Right now, there is a kind of you know, there 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:01.639 will be hearings, right You will see publicized hearings. You 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:08.240 will see members ask these potential cabinet secretaries about you know, 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:12.480 when it comes to Hagsath his payment for an alleged 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:19.640 sexual assault, when it comes to when it comes to RFK. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:24.719 You know, the level of skeletons in the closet are breathtaking. 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.119 I mean, one of the things that I am curious 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:32.800 about is if Trump has an agenda that is wildly 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:37.640 outside of the norm, that will take money and goodwill, 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:43.359 and I mean, how much does this cabinet secretary derail him? 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:45.280 This cabinet secretary fight. 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:47.879 Well, you know, it's a very interesting question because you 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.959 think about it. Why is he nominating Hexit? Why not 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:56.240 nominate say DeSantis would get bipartisan support. Been in the military, 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.640 say okay, he's run a big organization in the Florida government. 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.320 Will may not like it. People are not like his 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.879 views on women in combat. I don't know what the 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.800 standards views are. Assume he's against it, but you'd still 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.240 vote for him. So but he goes and picks this 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:17.760 you know, weirdo, clearly damaged, misogynist guy who, like so 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.159 many in the Trump world, they use the public sphere 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:26.679 to work through personal problems. M And you know, government 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:28.960 should be a lot of things, but it shouldn't be therapy, 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.760 and it shouldn't be a way for you to get 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.720 even into people that you know put you in lockers 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:40.080 in high school. Because Stephen Miller, it's very self defeating. 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.399 And there's this tendency to give Trump credit when he 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:46.680 does something stupid. For well, there must be you know, 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:50.159 some higher plan here that we're just not grasping, Like 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.720 I'll nominate Matt Getz and then you know, we know 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.200 he won't get it, so then they'll allow me to 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.160 get a headset. I don't think it's that calculating. 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:02.240 I would never subscribe three dimensional chests to any of 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:03.720 this exactly. 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.359 It's just why have this fight. So Marco Rubio is 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.000 a good example, Marco Rubio, I would expect they'll get 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:16.200 bipartisan support. And look, Marco Rubio, it's a chairman's Republican 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.720 Center and Intelligence Committee, Republican head of it that came 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:24.000 to the conclusion that Russia tried to help elect Trump 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.719 in twenty sixteen, and Rubio has been right on Ukraine. 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.520 I have a question about Marco, which is, why would 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:35.280 anyone who has seen Trump in action take this job? Right, Like, 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:39.080