Speaker 1: Early cars were mostly joisting vehicles.
Speaker 2: I heard, are you bringing the jousting vehicle?
Speaker 1: I am, Yeah. We're going to charge at each other
Speaker 1: at ten miles an hour. It's going to be a wild.
Speaker 2: We're going to drive to Sidcup, but we are also
Speaker 2: going to joust.
Speaker 1: Ye when we get there after ice cream.
Speaker 3: That is super local English humor. But you know you
Speaker 3: just got to get on board with it. Really, Hello,
Speaker 3: I'm mini driver. I've always loved Proust's questionnaire. It was
Speaker 3: originally in nineteenth century parlor game where players would ask
Speaker 3: each other thirty five questions aimed at revealing.
Speaker 2: The other player's true nature.
Speaker 3: In asking different people the same set of questions, you
Speaker 3: can make observations about which truths appear to be universal.
Speaker 3: And it made me wonder, what if these questions were
Speaker 3: just the jumping off point, what greater depths would be
Speaker 3: revealed if I asked these quesses as conversation starters. So
Speaker 3: I adapted Prue's questionnaire and I wrote my own seven
Speaker 3: questions that I personally think are pertinent to a person's story.
Speaker 3: They are when and where were you happiest? What is
Speaker 3: the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship, real
Speaker 3: or fictionalized, defines love for you? What question would you
Speaker 3: most like answered? What person, place, or experience has shaped
Speaker 3: you the most? What would be your last meal? And
Speaker 3: can you tell me something in your life that's grown
Speaker 3: out of a personal disaster? And I've gathered a group
Speaker 3: of really remarkable people, ones that I am honored and
Speaker 3: humbled to have had the chance to engage with. You
Speaker 3: may not hear their answers to all seven of these questions.
Speaker 3: We've whittled it down to which questions felt closest to
Speaker 3: their experience or the most surprising, or created the most
Speaker 3: fertile ground to connect. My guest today is the brilliant
Speaker 3: and gifted musician Gary Lightbody. Gary is the lead singer
Speaker 3: of the band Snow Patrol, amongst other things. And you
Speaker 3: may be interested to note that I am also in
Speaker 3: a band with Gary called Tired Pony, And you can
Speaker 3: check out the record that we made on the old
Speaker 3: music streamers if you're so inclined. Gary is a very
Speaker 3: good friend of mine. So this chat was like most
Speaker 3: of the ones we have. It was deep and rambling
Speaker 3: and full of questions and the search for answers and
Speaker 3: quite a lot of screeching laughter. Gary met the death
Speaker 3: of his dad with anomenous that spread, and I think
Speaker 3: it's okay to say was pretty all consuming for a minute.
Speaker 3: But like all great people and artists who remain interested
Speaker 3: in pain, he somehow turned that non feeling into feeling
Speaker 3: and wrote an extraordinary and elegiic album, which came out
Speaker 3: last September and is Snow Patrol's eighth studio album, entitled
Speaker 3: The Forest is the Path.
Speaker 2: And it is absolutely beautiful. Where and when were you happiest?
Speaker 1: I'm going to immediately talk about Johnny and Nathan because
Speaker 1: I could look back in my life and find moments
Speaker 1: of happiness, of course I can, but I think the
Speaker 1: most recent one is the most relevant one for me. Anyway.
Speaker 1: It still feels like it's there's an energy or power
Speaker 1: emanating from it. And that was when we were making
Speaker 1: the album. And I'm not just saying that just because
Speaker 1: we've got an album coming out, but genuinely, it was
Speaker 1: a long road. We tried to make it last year
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out, and it's always kind of
Speaker 1: heartbreaking when you get to the end of a project
Speaker 1: you realize you haven't got it. You have to kind
Speaker 1: of regroup. But then we met Fraser T. Smith and
Speaker 1: the four of us went into his studio in January
Speaker 1: of this year, and that process was just one of
Speaker 1: the most extraordinary times in the studio that we've ever had.
Speaker 3: Is it because it was hard and there was heartbreaking
Speaker 3: about the not making it last year?
Speaker 2: Was it that?
Speaker 3: Or was there some sort of new complicity because a
Speaker 3: phrase that what was it? Do you think that engendered
Speaker 3: such happiness?
Speaker 1: It's a very very good point, because perhaps without the contrast,
Speaker 1: it may not have been quite as starkly wonderful, if
Speaker 1: that's even a phrase. Frankly, it could have been comparative.
Speaker 1: You know, for me it still stands alone as a
Speaker 1: sustained period of happiness in my life.
Speaker 2: How do you recognize happiness?
Speaker 1: I think for me it's because I have run so anxious.
Speaker 1: When I notice how long it's been since I've been anxious,
Speaker 1: I started to realize that happiness has taken its place
Speaker 1: or something contentment, perhaps in a sort of a less
Speaker 1: high stakes kind of version of happiness. But because happiness
Speaker 1: can now be ebb and flow, and it can even
Speaker 1: turn to sadness pretty quickly, but contentment there is a
Speaker 1: flow to that a continuum to that. If you catch
Speaker 1: the right view or a surfer you catch the right way,
Speaker 1: you can write on that for a long time. And
Speaker 1: it felt like every day we were coming in excited
Speaker 1: to be in the studio, and Nathan and Johnny Arrow
Speaker 1: was excited to be together. But it felt like every
Speaker 1: time they picked up an instrument, something magical happened and
Speaker 1: I was there to witness it, which doesn't always happen
Speaker 1: on every album as well. People might think that when
Speaker 1: a band makes an album, they're in the studio the
Speaker 1: whole time, every day, but that's not necessarily what happens
Speaker 1: is sometimes life happens and you've got to be somewhere else,
Speaker 1: and when you are actually in the studio, it's just
Speaker 1: to play your parts. But with this period of five
Speaker 1: weeks with Fraser, the four of us, we were there
Speaker 1: every day for each other, even if we weren't playing.
Speaker 1: There's days that I didn't play anything, but I was
Speaker 1: there to witness Nathan and and Johnny playing pianos and
Speaker 1: guitars and singing, and it felt very very special and
Speaker 1: at the end, and this is another indicator I think
Speaker 1: the last day, I said to Nathan and Johnny I'm
Speaker 1: really sad that this is finishing. Normally you're excited to
Speaker 1: go on tour, but on the last day I said,
Speaker 1: I'm really sad that this is finished, that this is over,
Speaker 1: and both Nathan and Johnny said you feel the same way.
Speaker 1: So that feels like a significant period of happiness that
Speaker 1: I won't forget.
Speaker 3: Wow, God, I think that sustained anything is impossible anyway.
Speaker 3: I think it's why I like this question is even
Speaker 3: though some people interestingly bulk at the idea you know
Speaker 3: that happiness is an endgame, it's not really what the
Speaker 3: question is. It's really what is a snapshot of a
Speaker 3: moment of joy? Because it's all moments, right, Even though
Speaker 3: things like anxiety feel like they are permanent, there actually
Speaker 3: is no status even within that, so it's constantly shifting
Speaker 3: and changing. I love that snapshot of you guys going
Speaker 3: into the studio and of it not just being a
Speaker 3: day that we were happy, but every day we showed
Speaker 3: up to create was amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they will quote by the Buddha there is no
Speaker 1: path to happiness. Happiness is the path, and it's sort
Speaker 1: of referenced in the album title as well. The forest
Speaker 1: is the path. It's okay to be lost. And I
Speaker 1: was so afraid to be lost in my life or
Speaker 1: focused on the destination and not the journey. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think that happiness or that state of happiness only
Speaker 1: really occurs whenever you let go of the destination. For me, anyway,
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree.
Speaker 2: With you more.
Speaker 3: There's some version when I think about achieving happiness, which
Speaker 3: sounds a bit like an oxymoron, and I might be
Speaker 3: the more on them. I think you've got to set
Speaker 3: the coordinates for happiness, like you set those coordinates and
Speaker 3: then you have to let you have to let it
Speaker 3: go or whatever it is. You have to set those
Speaker 3: coordinates and then let it go and be in that
Speaker 3: journey towards it. And I often get stuck by halfway
Speaker 3: through the journey, or if I don't know, if I'm
Speaker 3: halfway through the journey, I'm like, well, it just hasn't
Speaker 3: happened yet or arrived yet, and I'm not there. I'm
Speaker 3: so annoyed I'm not there. And someone brilliant called Esther
Speaker 3: Hicks said.
Speaker 2: Once she was like, you know, when you're in a.
Speaker 3: Car journey from like Los Angeles to San Francisco, when
Speaker 3: you get halfway you know, like Monterey or Big sur
Speaker 3: You don't just get pissed off that you're not in
Speaker 3: San Francisco.
Speaker 1: You turn around and go home.
Speaker 2: Idiots, you carry on.
Speaker 3: And I think about that a lot, like set your
Speaker 3: coordinates and then get on the bus or the train
Speaker 3: or the plane or the jousting car and just get
Speaker 3: on with it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, I love that accord. And it's also there's
Speaker 1: a certain amount of detachment from those corders once they're
Speaker 1: set exactly exactly, And I think that I was always like,
Speaker 1: you know, if I take my eye off there where
Speaker 1: I'm going, then I'll get lost and not realizing it's
Speaker 1: okay to be lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay to be lost. What question would you
Speaker 2: most like answered.
Speaker 1: Well, I missed the opportunity to tell my dad quite
Speaker 1: a lot of things. By the time I realized I'd
Speaker 1: run out of time to talk to him, he was
Speaker 1: well and to advance dementia. So I would like to
Speaker 1: know if there is an after for us, and if
Speaker 1: he's there, and if I'll get to meet him again
Speaker 1: and have those conversations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like that too. By the way, I
Speaker 3: would like to know that do you ever feel and
Speaker 3: I know that it's more recent for you. And I
Speaker 3: understand the process of grief is wayward and personal and
Speaker 3: it is not subject to any rules whatsoever as far
Speaker 3: as I've experienced. But if it's not too personal, do
Speaker 3: you have conversations with him? I know that a huge
Speaker 3: amount of this beautiful album is voicing feelings and speaking
Speaker 3: things and shouting things out to your dad and at
Speaker 3: yourself and ruminating, and it is a beautiful meditation on
Speaker 3: all of those things. But do you ever converse with him,
Speaker 3: even if you can't hear what he says back.
Speaker 1: The answer to that is no, not really, I'm afraid too. Hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that, I really do. But like we
Speaker 3: said before, maybe it's coordinatece. Maybe that is something that
Speaker 3: you really do live the answer to you get to
Speaker 3: that place. I can't, for the longest time talk to
Speaker 3: my mother in my heart or my head.
Speaker 2: And now I'm.
Speaker 3: Essentially writing a book that begins with a conversation I
Speaker 3: had with her after she died. So I think there's
Speaker 3: a journey with that.
Speaker 2: I really do, for sure.
Speaker 1: There's a book of mind coming out that is about Yeah,
Speaker 1: but writing it done is for me. It's like it's
Speaker 1: not perhaps it is having a conversation with them, but
Speaker 1: it did not take place out loud. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think that's where I fell downe actually making the signed
Speaker 1: the sound words are.
Speaker 2: We've talked about this before.
Speaker 3: When your parent is dead and there are things that
Speaker 3: you didn't say or that they didn't say to you,
Speaker 3: there is simply no way of having the conversation which
Speaker 3: we would like to have, which is with them sitting
Speaker 3: opposite us, where we get to everything and then they
Speaker 3: get say everything to us. But as you and I
Speaker 3: both exist in this space on the other side of
Speaker 3: our parent is dead, now you know, what do we
Speaker 3: do with those questions?
Speaker 2: In the absence of the answers? What do we do?
Speaker 3: And I think you're doing exactly the most beautiful, amazing
Speaker 3: thing a person could do, which is that you're using
Speaker 3: it as fuel to make something that you offer up
Speaker 3: to people that they will love and enjoy and will
Speaker 3: probably bring them enormous comfort.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and you're doing the same. I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to read your book. Your first book was an absolute
Speaker 1: triumph and one of my favorite books for the last
Speaker 1: ten years. As I've told you, thank you y. The
Speaker 1: thing that I think we can do with these questions
Speaker 1: is ask each other. Yeah, which we do, And I'm
Speaker 1: very lucky to have people like that in our lives,
Speaker 1: to have incredible conversations with. I know you have lots
Speaker 1: of great people in your life and can keep them alive,
Speaker 1: keep their energy in our lives. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I would do without that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 3: I think it's also asking questions without the expectation of
Speaker 3: an answer. I think that should be called something else. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it shouldn't be called a question.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: There should be another word for the things that you
Speaker 3: want from your dead parents once they're dead. There should
Speaker 3: be another way of expressing that. But you're right, talking
Speaker 3: to each other does help.
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. There's perhaps no answers, but
Speaker 1: the answer is in the feeling seen. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't expect anyone to fix the things
Speaker 1: in my life, just that feeling of being seen. I
Speaker 1: don't want to offer anybody any advice that they don't
Speaker 1: ask for. Any advice I ever give is given with
Speaker 1: the caveat. Please, for God's sake, ignore this.
Speaker 2: Ignore what I'm back to say. But you.
Speaker 1: Don't have lost two.
Speaker 3: Can you tell me what person, place, or experience most
Speaker 3: altered your life, and.
Speaker 1: Back to where I started, I think this conversation. But
Speaker 1: Johnny and Nathan, I think have been the two people
Speaker 1: that have altered my life the most, two people that
Speaker 1: I've loved being around the most and also learned the
Speaker 1: most from and do constantly.
Speaker 2: Did you guys meet in Scotland.
Speaker 1: No, Nathan's been in the band since two thousand and
Speaker 1: two and Johnny's been with us from two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: But it's so interesting we've had conversations like this before,
Speaker 1: the three of us, where we're like, those times don't
Speaker 1: mean anything. It's like we always knew each other. We
Speaker 1: just did. We always knew each other. There was no time.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a time that I didn't know them.
Speaker 1: We've been through a lot, you know, over the years together,
Speaker 1: and there's been times where we weren't going great with
Speaker 1: the band, great interpersonally, and we got through all those
Speaker 1: things with some amounts of grace actually, and I feel
Speaker 1: very proud of how we've sort of grown together and
Speaker 1: become this trio that we are now. Obviously with great
Speaker 1: love and respect and reverence to everyone that has been
Speaker 1: in the band as well, especially Johnny Quinn and Paul
Speaker 1: Wilson who most recently left the band, but with our
Speaker 1: admiration and love and joy for everything that they do
Speaker 1: in the future. But when that happens, when people leave,
Speaker 1: you have to decide whether you want to continue. A
Speaker 1: question was already answered. It was like, do we want
Speaker 1: to keep going? Yes, of course, but it's how do
Speaker 1: we keep going? That's that's the more difficult question to answer,
Speaker 1: because we want to also make the most important record
Speaker 1: of your life. Every time you make a record or
Speaker 1: else why And we just had this strong, strong feeling
Speaker 1: that in the answering of the hearty we continue was
Speaker 1: the answer to the importance of the record, and so well,
Speaker 1: this is how we continue. We put everything that we
Speaker 1: have into this record, just like we've always done. So
Speaker 1: the people I'm going to go with Johnny and Nathan.
Speaker 1: Final answer, final answer, my final answer. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know it's not really part of the question. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like an either or thing, but Banger my hometown,
Speaker 1: m it is really important to me. I love that
Speaker 1: place so much.
Speaker 3: Gary lived on Ocean Boulevard in Santa Monica for a
Speaker 3: long time and I loved him being just down the road.
Speaker 2: It really is just sort of.
Speaker 3: How you'd imagine a California dream of, just like looking
Speaker 3: at him with the Pacific Ocean and the swinging palm
Speaker 3: trees and the sunshine and the Art Deco buildings in
Speaker 3: Santa Monica and making music and getting acupuncture and hanging out.
Speaker 3: And then Gary moved back to Bangor And I've got
Speaker 3: to say, I've never heard a person eulogize about a
Speaker 3: place where I know for a fact that it is
Speaker 3: cold and it rains a lot, and yet Gary talks
Speaker 3: about bang of the way that most people talk about California.
Speaker 3: And Gary lived in California, which always makes me really happy.
Speaker 3: And know that you love where you're from, and I
Speaker 3: can't wait to visit you there. I can't believe I've
Speaker 3: never been there, but I'll come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please do come over Beplaslack is right on my
Speaker 1: doorstep and Forrest is right on my doorstep on one side.
Speaker 1: So I've got the sea on one side of forest
Speaker 1: on the other. And every time I walk in the forest,
Speaker 1: I feel renewed. I don't feel that everywhere, but I'm
Speaker 1: so glad to have refound my home. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like that quote. Home is not where we are born.
Speaker 1: Home is where all our attempts to escape cease. Sorry,
Speaker 1: And you know it's funny because it is where I
Speaker 1: was born, and yet I tried to escape, And what
Speaker 1: happened is I was only temporarily escaping. What I was really,
Speaker 1: what I was really waiting for, was to come back
Speaker 1: and realize that this was where I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be all along.
Speaker 2: What would be your last meal?
Speaker 1: Well, I can keep it in banger as everybody that
Speaker 1: I knew, you had to set meal on a certain night.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You would have on Monday with sausages. Tuesday was Shepherd's Park.
Speaker 1: Wednesday Shepherd's Power. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, I got most
Speaker 1: excited about spaghetti Bolonnes night.
Speaker 3: But that's that spaghetti bolonnaise, Like that's quite sort of Mediterranean,
Speaker 3: of like your mom or dad?
Speaker 2: Who have cooked it?
Speaker 1: Was my mom? Yeah? My dad did not so much,
Speaker 1: but he did make greats Sudar breads as we call him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would make those of a Sunday every night and again,
Speaker 1: so I'd have that too.
Speaker 3: Most importantly, what night was spaghetti Bolonnes? Was it Wednesday?
Speaker 1: No? I think it was Thursday, but it's the meal itself.
Speaker 1: I make a spaghetti bolonees night, and I'll make it
Speaker 1: for my mom and my sister and my niece, and
Speaker 1: my mum will makes spaghetti malonnaise. I'm able to contribute
Speaker 1: to the passing of the spaghetti bawl nace. So we
Speaker 1: don't have a family heirloom, but we have.
Speaker 2: Thursday.
Speaker 3: That's a good legacy. Oh, I love that. Oh I
Speaker 3: make a mean spaghetti bolonnaise. I'm going to make you
Speaker 3: spagetti borones next time.
Speaker 1: Then well, I will return that. This is the continuation
Speaker 1: the ceremonial spaghetti ballnas.
Speaker 3: Okay, did you ever have When I was younger, I
Speaker 3: went to someone's house. I'm going to they can remain nameless,
Speaker 3: but they put baked beans in the spaghetti polonnaise. What
Speaker 3: And I couldn't eat it? And I remember the mother
Speaker 3: looking at me, going why aren't you eating it? And
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not hungry, and she's like, he
Speaker 3: said that you were hungry before. Why aren't you eating
Speaker 3: the spaghetti bolonnaise? And she kept pushing me until I
Speaker 3: eventually went because there's beans in it, and she was
Speaker 3: like she of course there's beans spaghetti bollidais, at which
Speaker 3: point I was like, I'm in a mad house. I
Speaker 3: need to just get out of here as soon as possible.
Speaker 3: But I was only like seven, so I'm interested if
Speaker 3: anyone's ever come across that.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of beans in a spaghetti.
Speaker 3: B I'm really glad that will die with her.
Speaker 2: So she won't be listening.
Speaker 3: Okay, in your life, can you tell me about something
Speaker 3: that has grown out of a personal disaster and you're
Speaker 3: not allowed to say all.
Speaker 1: Of it.
Speaker 2: Being borned?
Speaker 1: God, I hope that people don't think that I'm sort
Speaker 1: of trying to like just tie everything to the new album.
Speaker 1: I'm really not. We don't have to talk about the
Speaker 1: album itself, but yeah, passing. There was a year where
Speaker 1: I was numb, completely numb, and then a year almost
Speaker 1: to the day, I read this roomy poem and it
Speaker 1: just unlocked everything and I just burst into tears, uncontrollable,
Speaker 1: like Charlie Brian shooting out of the eye tears. And
Speaker 1: then the next day the numbness had lifted and I
Speaker 1: started writing in earnest and I wrote a song about
Speaker 1: my dad, obviously perhaps, But then the second song I
Speaker 1: wrote was a song called These Lies, which is actually
Speaker 1: on the new album. The first song appeared by my dad.
Speaker 1: It was the poem really, and then I put music
Speaker 1: to it, but it sort of flowed out of the pen.
Speaker 1: Was mean, you know yourself. There's days when you're standing
Speaker 1: at a blank page and nothing comes, and then in
Speaker 1: other days when it's almost as if you're not you
Speaker 1: have no control of the pen. It's just automatic writing,
Speaker 1: and I'm just trying to stay out of the way
Speaker 1: of it, like I have the pen attached to the
Speaker 1: page and the words will appear.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wait.
Speaker 2: The roomy quote is there is a field.
Speaker 1: There is a field out there beyond all right doing
Speaker 1: and wrongdoing. I'll meet you there. That's right. That was
Speaker 1: the key that the dawn broke.
Speaker 3: I remember after one of our walks, because Gary and
Speaker 3: I go on really long walks together and talk about things.
Speaker 3: I wrote that quote down and it's on my desk
Speaker 3: in England where I write, like where I'm writing my book,
Speaker 3: and I have it there. I've also got like a
Speaker 3: dollar sign drawn on a person. I've got to make
Speaker 3: some money, I've got to keep a fucking ship going.
Speaker 3: But then I've also got that roomy quote that I
Speaker 3: wrote down when I came back from our walk, and
Speaker 3: I love it so much. And I also love the
Speaker 3: fact that it's next to my dollar sign, which always
Speaker 3: makes me feel like this world is made up of
Speaker 3: so much that is practical, that we're forced to be
Speaker 3: practical about things, but it also what exists is this
Speaker 3: beautiful poetry that is out beyond all of it, and
Speaker 3: it's okay. It's okay that all that fucking shit lives
Speaker 3: alongside all of that grace and beauty. It is okay
Speaker 3: because I felt really sheepish when I put it next
Speaker 3: to the dollar sign, and now I actually love it
Speaker 3: and it makes me feel like, really, what radical.
Speaker 2: Humaning looks like.
Speaker 3: It's like it's spinach in your teeth and dollar signs
Speaker 3: that you need to be reminded of, and it's finally
Speaker 3: being able to cry over your dead dad, and it's
Speaker 3: about making something beautiful that from that. Like, I know
Speaker 3: how agonizing it is to lose a parent, and this
Speaker 3: record is just a testament to so much love and
Speaker 3: light that he had to have had a hand in
Speaker 3: making you.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Gary, I'm so proud of this
Speaker 2: record for you.
Speaker 3: I hope that it was really healing, and I bet
Speaker 3: you he can hear it, you know.
Speaker 1: Thanks Mary, Babe.
Speaker 3: Always always I'll take a picture of my dollar sign
Speaker 3: and the roomy quote and then you can chuckle or
Speaker 3: whenever you're thinking about that I'm taking anything seriously whatsoever
Speaker 3: or getting anything done.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love those two together. It's brilliant.
Speaker 3: Tarn and love you so much, and thank you so
Speaker 3: much for this. Really, your fans are going to love
Speaker 3: it anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm really grateful.
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