WEBVTT - Shareen Mitchell Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>This is going along the same line since you guys

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing I had opponent.

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<v Speaker 2>Bomb animals, I know what mombell are you about to drop?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you guys knew this, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it might have already been gone by the time you

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<v Speaker 1>came up there. But so I totally forgot about this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is really this presecharch chatter is just

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<v Speaker 1>appreciation for my parents, my dad in particular, king strong,

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable father. And it struck me how amazing he was.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was sitting with Indy and I was dropping

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<v Speaker 1>him off at a class and we were sitting across

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<v Speaker 1>from Amazon Fresh and he's like, there's an Amazon Fresh

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like yeah, He's like, what's that?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I?

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<v Speaker 1>And then this leads to, you know, Jeff Bezos has

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<v Speaker 1>so much money. I'm like, how do you even know

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<v Speaker 1>who Jeff Bezos is? But okay, and then he's like

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk and so I'm like, all right, let's pivot

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<v Speaker 1>this into like a real conversation. I'm like, so what

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<v Speaker 1>would you do, Like, what would you do if you

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<v Speaker 1>had all the money in the world?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And it was like we get past, like well, I

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<v Speaker 1>just buy every toy. I was like, yeah, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, what would you do? And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is.

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<v Speaker 5>Indy you're talking for some reason, I thought you were

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<v Speaker 5>talking to your dad and you didn't know what you

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<v Speaker 5>would buy every like serious, because that's.

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<v Speaker 6>Your dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Know who Jeff, what would you do with all the money? Daddy?

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<v Speaker 6>Gotcha? Okay, I'm on board.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is one of those like fun parenting conversations

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<v Speaker 1>that you know you want to hear, like what your

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<v Speaker 1>kid thinks about the world. And to India's credit, he

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly got to like, well, I would help people.

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would give it, you know, I would

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<v Speaker 1>want to give some money to people that you know

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<v Speaker 1>are homeless. And and I was like okay, yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>what you know you have to pick a cause and

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<v Speaker 1>you care only about Americans or you go international. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about philanthropy. And then I was like okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>beyond like what would you what would you want to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Like and he's like, what if we had another house.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, that would be that would actually that

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<v Speaker 1>fits like my dream too, having a second house. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, dad, what if we could have a

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<v Speaker 1>water slide? And I remembered, my dad built me a

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<v Speaker 1>water slide. Did you guys know this? No, when we

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<v Speaker 1>were kids, when we were like eight or nine, we

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<v Speaker 1>realized we had this so one a tree that they

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<v Speaker 1>had chopped down right in front of our pool. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like like a stump of a redwood tree. But

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<v Speaker 1>then it started to regrow so it was actually like

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<v Speaker 1>thirty feet tall and it had this like big stump section.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had a treehouse in there and had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a platform of wood and a ladder to get up

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<v Speaker 1>to it. And at some point, at like eight or nine,

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<v Speaker 1>we realized like, oh, you could actually from the top

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<v Speaker 1>of this treehouse go down ten feet or whatever fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>feet to the pool. So my dad and my grandfather

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<v Speaker 1>took a couple of months and built a full on,

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<v Speaker 1>half pipe water slide wow out of fiberglass.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy, and Pump figured out how to get

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<v Speaker 1>water up there. So we had like we would go

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<v Speaker 1>turn this little thing and it would shoot water down

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<v Speaker 1>a full on water slide, and then he put roller

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<v Speaker 1>skates on the bottom of it so you could push

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<v Speaker 1>it out of the way so it didn't block the

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<v Speaker 1>whole like the pathway around the pool. So yeah, by

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<v Speaker 1>the time it was gone by the time you guys

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<v Speaker 1>ever came up to roade a chart because I think

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up that tree is no longer there, like

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<v Speaker 1>the treehouse, you know. So it was only between like

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<v Speaker 1>eight eight or nine and like probably right around Woman's

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<v Speaker 1>World thirteen fourteen. But it made our house the coolest house. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when we had soccer games, we would have

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<v Speaker 1>like the after party at our house because everybody wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to come to the water slide. It was so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But the best part was the discovery. We realized, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you could go you would go fast down

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<v Speaker 1>this little water slide. But then we were like, we

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<v Speaker 1>want to go faster, and we realized that if you

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<v Speaker 1>were naked, you could slide down this street because your

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<v Speaker 1>skin on this fiberglass was just like wow, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like slick and so yeah, so we would always be

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<v Speaker 1>like all right, and we just pull our bathing suits

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<v Speaker 1>down and go bare butt. It was like going bare

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<v Speaker 1>butt and you would haul ass literally down the water slide.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so so much fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how fast did Susie go down?

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<v Speaker 1>We rode Susie to the top of the water slide.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. But I mean, it was just like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean think, I just can't believe the commitment that

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<v Speaker 1>my dad had, Like I mean, and I totally forgot

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<v Speaker 1>about it until I'm sitting there talking with India and

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<v Speaker 1>his like dream. He's like, we could have a water

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<v Speaker 1>slide into our own pool, you know, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be amazing. Oh my god, my god, I had.

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<v Speaker 2>That did that?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I know, there's recently been a thing going around.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not you know, it's not like novel people thought

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<v Speaker 7>of it, thought of it and said it over the years.

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<v Speaker 7>But there's a thing recently going around on social media

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<v Speaker 7>about like ways to make your house the cool house

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<v Speaker 7>when your kids are young, so that they always they

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<v Speaker 7>want to bring your friends around you, that your friend

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<v Speaker 7>that you're comfortable with their friends, that their friends feel

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<v Speaker 7>comfortable around you. And there was a woman who said

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<v Speaker 7>they only have one rule. They have like over every

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<v Speaker 7>weekend they have a kid party, but the kids have

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<v Speaker 7>to turn in their phones when they walk in. So

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<v Speaker 7>they turn in their phones into a thing and then

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<v Speaker 7>they can do anything they want for the rest of

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<v Speaker 7>the day. They provide food and drinks and games and.

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<v Speaker 1>Cigarettes and booze and yeah, just.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I met like juice boxes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But my parents. My parents have told me that they

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<v Speaker 1>made that conscious decision. They were like, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>be we want you your friends to come to our house.

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<v Speaker 1>And it totally worked. We still go to my parents' house,

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<v Speaker 1>like we make a mass exodus every summer with all

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends because my parents made such an effort,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, yeah, I don't think I'm gonna be able

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<v Speaker 1>to build a water slide, but I definitely want to.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I want my house to be that because

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's so important. It's like the best way

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<v Speaker 1>to have a relationship with your kids and your kids friends.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's why Will has made a ban on all

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<v Speaker 7>fun in his house. He said, I don't want any.

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<v Speaker 5>For me, but they got I were like Halloween comes,

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<v Speaker 5>the lights are off. I have razor wire that goes

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<v Speaker 5>across everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kids away.

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<v Speaker 5>I actually have the least kid friendly home I know.

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<v Speaker 5>You could essentially have been.

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<v Speaker 6>You have to walk over stone and a pond to

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<v Speaker 6>get into my house.

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<v Speaker 1>The backyard is one giant toys.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but there are toys that kids are not allowed

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<v Speaker 5>to play with because they're still there in the package.

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<v Speaker 1>So you really keep everything in the package.

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<v Speaker 5>Still, it depends on what it is if So, first

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<v Speaker 5>of all, the only toys that I have are toys

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<v Speaker 5>of characters that I've done.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, so I usually when they.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly sorry, do you have any toys and water slides?

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<v Speaker 1>Growing do you actually have? Do you have any that

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<v Speaker 1>you could like push a button and you hear your

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<v Speaker 1>own voice?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, really good? Of course a ton of those,

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you keep them in the packaging? Because Indy

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<v Speaker 1>would love that if you if you showed up with

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<v Speaker 1>a toy that had your voice, you would just think

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<v Speaker 1>that's I would.

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<v Speaker 5>Usually get two back in the day, so I get

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<v Speaker 5>one to display and one that I just keep in

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<v Speaker 5>a package in a box if it was ever worth something.

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<v Speaker 6>So I have what you know, But yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 6>even I think behind me, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I have a bunch I'd say like I am Batman,

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<v Speaker 5>or this is totally cool, or and there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of ron stoppable one you press a button and it's like

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<v Speaker 5>oh boo, yeah, like stuff like that. So but then

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<v Speaker 5>what started to happen in the industry get every time

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and what's worse sigil check.

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<v Speaker 1>What's worse is in the industry.

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<v Speaker 5>What started to happen was they started to hire non

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<v Speaker 5>union actors to do to record the toys because they

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<v Speaker 5>didn't want to pay us anymore to do the toy stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember one recording session that I had to

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<v Speaker 5>do a Batman watch and you had to record for

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<v Speaker 5>every time. So I would sit there going it's one,

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<v Speaker 5>two three, and then you'd finish and go one oh one.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, wow, two one.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's like a six hour session to make sure

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<v Speaker 5>that when you press the button it would go it's

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<v Speaker 5>one thirty four.

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<v Speaker 1>See now that's just pull your voice from the internet and.

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<v Speaker 6>Like, yeah, now they just.

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<v Speaker 7>Exactly, let's make Pod meets World figures. What would our

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<v Speaker 7>Pod Meets World figures say?

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<v Speaker 6>Mine would say bizarre?

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 6>Like Daniels would say wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Like mine would just ramble in coherently and then like

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<v Speaker 1>make the like you know what I mean that or

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<v Speaker 1>it would be good.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah they press the button, it would just go God.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate toys.

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<v Speaker 6>Hate being a toy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the worst.

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<v Speaker 6>And who even likes toys? Toys are commercial?

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<v Speaker 1>Pony a little Susie and what about yours?

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<v Speaker 6>Danielle what would your toy?

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<v Speaker 7>Mine would ask a question and then just talk. Mine

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<v Speaker 7>would say, what do you like to do on a date?

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<v Speaker 7>Because what I like to do on a date is

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<v Speaker 7>I like to go for a long walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Will scream merch but like keep a variety of different

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<v Speaker 1>merchant or I would explain why I'm like, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I no longer do the Phoenie call.

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<v Speaker 6>I gave it to this girl throwing you know something

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<v Speaker 6>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, like to be a long description.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, toys that would actually finish the other one.

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<v Speaker 1>But all anybody would want is a doll of you

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<v Speaker 1>doing the Phoenie call. That's the phony call for a doll.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you do it?

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<v Speaker 6>It depends on where the money would go. If the

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<v Speaker 6>money would go to a good place, like to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Then like your bank account, right, If it would go to.

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<v Speaker 5>My account or to help other people that would give

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<v Speaker 5>me money, then yes, right right.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, if other people to help would give you money,

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<v Speaker 7>I like this idea.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, oh you're still see I was just the perfect

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<v Speaker 5>what I was gonna say. I was gonna say, when

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<v Speaker 5>all three toys got together, they just talk over each other.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so weird to push all their buttons together.

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<v Speaker 6>At the same time and they just start talking over

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<v Speaker 6>each other.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Pond Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right

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<v Speaker 2>or Strong, and it is one thirty four.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not Wilfred.

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<v Speaker 7>Through the whirlwind that has been Season four of Boy

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<v Speaker 7>Meets World, it sometimes feels like the hits just keep coming,

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<v Speaker 7>whether it's classic episodes, iconic lines, or punchlines that have

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<v Speaker 7>survived almost thirty years. Take your pick. We're in the

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<v Speaker 7>midst of true sitcom sicko mode. And if we were

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<v Speaker 7>to write a list of impactful new regulars that this

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<v Speaker 7>package of twenty two episodes brought us, this week's podcast

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<v Speaker 7>guest would be right up top. The often mentioned Verna

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<v Speaker 7>Hunter was commonly referenced in seasons prior, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 7>until Fishing for Verna that we put a face to

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<v Speaker 7>the name, and forever helped cement the backstory of Sean

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<v Speaker 7>and give his character the depth that deserved to move forward.

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<v Speaker 7>We'd see her again in Janitor Dad, then Turkey Day,

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<v Speaker 7>and then she'd unceremoniously disappear as quickly as she arrived,

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<v Speaker 7>without explanation until she's talked about during season seven with

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<v Speaker 7>a revelation that was emailed to us as a spoiler

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<v Speaker 7>maybe two hundred times.

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<v Speaker 2>After leaving the trailer.

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<v Speaker 7>Forever you'd see her pop up on shows like The Practice,

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<v Speaker 7>X files Er and Charmed, but she'd soon after take

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<v Speaker 7>her talents and passion to a field I personally love

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<v Speaker 7>vintage clothing. She's a designer who has curated and morphed

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<v Speaker 7>older pieces into her own, seen on clients like Kirsten

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<v Speaker 7>Dunst and Katie Holmes, and she even had her own

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<v Speaker 7>reality show called d Rescue Me. She now focuses on

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<v Speaker 7>building stunning bridal dresses and eveningwear from repurposed materials. And

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<v Speaker 7>now we are thrilled to welcome a woman of many

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<v Speaker 7>talents to Podmeets World. It's Verna Hunter herself. Scherene Mitchell.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, Hi, it's so nice to see you guys. Thank

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<v Speaker 4>you good to be here. I am. I watched all

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<v Speaker 4>three episodes that I was on last night, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I was struck by what a beautifully written show it was, right,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the intelligence of the writing really is classic.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's it stands the test of time, and

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit sad that so many of the social

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<v Speaker 4>issues that were being discussed on those episodes are still

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<v Speaker 4>relevant today. You know. It's like humanity really doesn't change,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Fashion, the fashion does that's about it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's about it exactly, hairstyles and hair color and ages.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that the first time you had seen the episodes

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<v Speaker 1>since you did them.

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<v Speaker 8>Since I've done them, I'd seen videos, you know, I

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<v Speaker 8>got to tell you, guys, I've done I did a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of work, and I'm about and I'm doing a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of work now, which is interesting and i'd like.

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<v Speaker 4>To talk about that. But when people ask me about

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<v Speaker 4>my career and I tell them the things that I've done,

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<v Speaker 4>although I have done bigger parts than this and kind

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<v Speaker 4>of more notable projects, notable as in for me, because

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<v Speaker 4>I had a three episode dark, I wasn't like a

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<v Speaker 4>regular or something. People women, especially lose their minds. They're

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<v Speaker 4>just they start screaming. They can't even believe that I

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<v Speaker 4>was Sean's mom.

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<v Speaker 9>They're like, you know, they get so excited. It's very

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<v Speaker 9>sweet and it tells me how. You know, you guys

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<v Speaker 9>raised it more than a generation. I think you raised

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<v Speaker 9>like two generations of young people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird, right, like we we kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea either. That's what you know, That's what so

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<v Speaker 1>much of this podcast has been about, is like us realizing, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing that was, you know, in our minds, like

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<v Speaker 1>just a small part of our lives or the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>part of our lives, has you know, really had a

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<v Speaker 1>resounding effect on so many people. It's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean if you think about the shows that you

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<v Speaker 4>came home from school and watched or watched in the

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<v Speaker 4>evening with your family, and they have an impact. I

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<v Speaker 4>have to say, you know, Michael Jacobs, I was reallyledging

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<v Speaker 4>him and I know there's another creator and I I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't ever interface with her. You know she got yeah, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean he created a beautiful show and it has

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<v Speaker 4>tremendous emotional integrity and every episode without being corny, and

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<v Speaker 4>I guess, guess again, it's the writing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you guys really carry a lot of talent, and that

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<v Speaker 4>talent is still with you. I watched you all work

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<v Speaker 4>yesterday and I was just like, God, they're so talented.

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<v Speaker 4>They're timing their deliveries, the level of freedom in your performances.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I've learned a lot more about acting and

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<v Speaker 4>actors as I've gotten, as I've grown up. When I

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<v Speaker 4>was doing it then at that point, I really still

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of new.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, well, let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 7>Actually, do you remember your audition for Boy Meets World.

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<v Speaker 4>I do. I can still see myself going.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that was at Gower Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It might have been there. And you know, at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>I had just finished a series with Tony Danzas, so

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<v Speaker 4>I had been a series regular on a comedy, and

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<v Speaker 4>I had become aware by that point too that doing

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<v Speaker 4>a sitcom is really the best gig in.

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<v Speaker 2>The business path.

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<v Speaker 4>It really is, and it remains in my mind and

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<v Speaker 4>in my heart that that remains the truth. But so

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<v Speaker 4>I was excited, you know, about going up for this part,

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<v Speaker 4>and I also thought that Verna was an opportunity for

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<v Speaker 4>me to be a little to explore kind of the

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<v Speaker 4>wackier side of my personality. It's funny. I watched the performance,

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<v Speaker 4>and you guys will relate to this yesterday I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I could have done that better.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, that is also what this podcast is.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the three of us watching going man, we could

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<v Speaker 5>wish we could go back and do that over again.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we say it on the podcast and then

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<v Speaker 1>everyone writes this emails being links. I mean, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>hard on yourself. It's like, but we can't help it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not hard on ourselves, but it's more recognizing as

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<v Speaker 4>you learn more about comedy, how I could have made

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<v Speaker 4>her funnier. I definitely she was quirky. So in any case,

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<v Speaker 4>I remember the audition and I remember getting the job.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember my agent calling me and telling me that

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<v Speaker 4>I've gotten it, and you know, I was delighted, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>because I thought that she was a really sweet character.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's the funny part now too, is

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<v Speaker 4>that she would have been more comedic if I had

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<v Speaker 4>made her, if I had made her a little harder,

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<v Speaker 4>a little tougher. But she ended up just being a

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<v Speaker 4>little zany, which is appropriate for me and for the

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<v Speaker 4>way that she's described.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, well that's what I was wondering, because that

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<v Speaker 1>first episode is actually more dramatic. Yeah, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>when we watched it, I was like, gosh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>like a one act play, you know, like the I

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<v Speaker 1>called it like Sam Shepherd light, you know, It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and it was interesting. I was thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if sure he knew like when you were

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<v Speaker 1>cast that you would end up having to do actually

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<v Speaker 1>more comedy, like by the second and third episode, Verna's

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<v Speaker 1>mostly there for laughs.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I honestly mean, just to

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<v Speaker 4>be honest, I don't remember what I was told. I

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<v Speaker 4>do remember realizing that there was a dramatic element to

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<v Speaker 4>her role. There would have to be, because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Ryder was without a mom, right, which is like wow

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<v Speaker 4>kind of and I was confused, and I'm still a

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<v Speaker 4>little confused. Maybe you can enlighten me where who was

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<v Speaker 4>he living with Chet or not? Before these episodes, who

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<v Speaker 4>was he living with?

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<v Speaker 1>So in second season I was living with mister Turner,

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<v Speaker 1>the teacher because Chet leaves to go after you to

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<v Speaker 1>chase you down. And then the end of season three,

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<v Speaker 1>right end of season three, Chet comes back and takes

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<v Speaker 1>me into his life. And it's sort of this bittersweet

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<v Speaker 1>thing because because you actually can kind of tell that

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<v Speaker 1>that Chet's not a great father and that he is not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, super responsible, and there's there's a sinuation of

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<v Speaker 1>like alcoholism, and but it's never like really explicitly stated,

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<v Speaker 1>but you get the feeling that Sean might have been

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<v Speaker 1>better off with mister Turner, but mister Turner wasn't ready

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<v Speaker 1>to take him, so he goes back to Chet. But

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<v Speaker 1>then we don't really develop the home life with Chet

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<v Speaker 1>until you came until this episode. That's the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I think we saw the trailer and we see where

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<v Speaker 1>the home life is, and so it's really you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the thing about these sitcoms, right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>like one episode can sort of rewrite history or like

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<v Speaker 1>define the characters. So I think your episode, that Fishing

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<v Speaker 1>for Verna episode really established the Hunter family dynamic.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know so. So the backstory for me

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<v Speaker 4>about the third episode is that I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>you guys know this or if you remember, but Blake Clark,

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<v Speaker 4>who played Chet, yeah, plays my husband is his hysterically

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<v Speaker 4>funny person. Yes, And I don't know if you can tell,

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<v Speaker 4>but in my takes, it's sort of the way I'm

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<v Speaker 4>speaking now. I was on the verge of hysterical laughter

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<v Speaker 4>and I begged him. I leaned and I said to him,

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<v Speaker 4>I am begging you please dial it back because I'm

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't keep it together. And Michael Jacobs called me

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<v Speaker 4>off stage and he was like, sharene if you fall

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<v Speaker 4>apart one more time, I am sending you home, and

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, and then I burst out laughing, because

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<v Speaker 4>you're serious.

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<v Speaker 6>I couldn't help it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was so First of all, I'm an easy laugh

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<v Speaker 4>you know. I love to laugh, and I had a

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<v Speaker 4>really easy funny bone, you know. So I'm more a

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<v Speaker 4>good laugher than I am necessarily funny. I'm funny because

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<v Speaker 4>I can create humorous characters, you know, but uh, what's

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<v Speaker 4>his name? Blake Clark is a comic, you know he is,

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<v Speaker 4>and he knows how to get you. And he just

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<v Speaker 4>knew that I was sensitive to his sense of humor,

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<v Speaker 4>and I could barely look at him without falling apart.

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<v Speaker 4>Betsy has this line she says something about he was

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<v Speaker 4>my biological father.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean it was all I could do, because

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<v Speaker 4>it's like she just kept upping the ants. He was

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<v Speaker 4>all I could do not to fall apart again. And

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<v Speaker 4>so I really I would say that if Verno didn't

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<v Speaker 4>come back to remain in Sean's life, it is entirely

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<v Speaker 4>mind fault, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so I break all the time. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been watching episodes where you can see me just losing

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<v Speaker 1>it and they just had to keep it in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I. So I was all, I'm exactly the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's funny because I actually remember us just losing

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<v Speaker 1>it all the time with Blake. And you know the

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<v Speaker 1>tension of an audience too, when you have a live

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<v Speaker 1>audience and the pressure to get through it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you get the giggles, it's over.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but it's just that's Blake.

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<v Speaker 5>That's Blake too as the as the comic exactly like

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<v Speaker 5>you're saying, Sreen, It's it's that if he sees something

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<v Speaker 5>that makes you laugh, he's reading his audience and he

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<v Speaker 5>is going to continue pushing that button because it's to

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<v Speaker 5>guaranteed laugh and that's what you're going for as a comic.

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<v Speaker 6>So he was phenomenal at doing that.

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<v Speaker 7>He also would know, like if that he had given

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<v Speaker 7>you a delivery of something that was really funny and

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<v Speaker 7>you laughed at it, and now you're expecting it, so

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<v Speaker 7>you're going to be able to keep it together because

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<v Speaker 7>you know what to expect. So then he would just

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<v Speaker 7>do something totally different it's equally as funny, and you

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<v Speaker 7>were like, wait, I had been able to get myself

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<v Speaker 7>to a still place because I thought I knew what

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<v Speaker 7>you were going to do. Yeah, it was that anytime

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<v Speaker 7>we worked with Blake, I remember it just it being

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<v Speaker 7>hard to keep it together. And I wasn't even in

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of scenes, if any scenes with Blake, but

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<v Speaker 7>I remember watching run throughs and just seeing everybody lose

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<v Speaker 7>it with him all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>That's another thing I wanted acknowledge the show for, which

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<v Speaker 4>is that all the supporting rules, all the guest stars

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<v Speaker 4>are terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean those two boys, the brothers that crossed the Frankie,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, They're so funny, and the writing for

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<v Speaker 4>them is so intellectual. You know, that's funny. I really

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<v Speaker 4>admired that. And then the guy that comes into Will

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<v Speaker 4>he worked in a scene with you and your dad,

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<v Speaker 4>who He's like, I come, I come here from the

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<v Speaker 4>backwoods to Yeah, another great character.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so the burly mountain man.

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<v Speaker 4>The burly mountain man. But yeah, the casting was really terrific.

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<v Speaker 7>What we talked about Blake and what it was like

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<v Speaker 7>working with Blake, what were your impressions of a young

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<v Speaker 7>wright Strong and what was your relationship Do you remember

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.960
<v Speaker 7>working on your relationship or did you guys try to

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<v Speaker 7>keep some distance because you were supposed to be estranged.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that relationship?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, I feel like I got closer to Corey his

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<v Speaker 4>character to Ben because he kind of led the way.

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 4>And I will admit that I've changed a lot since

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 4>those years. I was actually very shy when I was

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<v Speaker 4>on a set. I don't know if you know your

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.199
<v Speaker 4>listeners understand, but you know, when you're a guest and

0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:24.520
<v Speaker 4>you're coming into a core group of regulars, Yeah, the

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 4>regulars are under a lot of pressure to deliver the show,

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 4>and the guest is really just a small part of

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 4>the whole episode. And so and I know this too

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.639
<v Speaker 4>because when I was a series regular on a series

0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 4>with Tony Danza called Hudson Street. We had a year

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 4>and I was, you know, on the show that full year,

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.359
<v Speaker 4>and I remember being under a lot of pressure, you know,

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 4>to deliver an entire episode and to just really deliver

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.360
<v Speaker 4>the comedy of my role and so on. And when

0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.879
<v Speaker 4>guests would come, you would want to be welcoming and

0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 4>inclusive and make them feel comfortable. But same time, you know,

0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 4>you had your own life and stuff to deal with.

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 4>So I don't recall really getting very close to you

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 4>because there really wasn't room. And then also there's just

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.879
<v Speaker 4>even the pressure of kind of not the pressure, but

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.880
<v Speaker 4>the importance is the value of taking seriously my own

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 4>lines and my own moments that as I recall it,

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<v Speaker 4>also at the time, I likely had my own dressing

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:32.439
<v Speaker 4>room or even maybe small trailer. And you know, I

0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 4>just finished an independent film and I'll tell you guys

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 4>about it. It's a beautiful movie, and we put my

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 4>sister and I have started a production company, and so

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 4>this is our first We produced it, which I'm sure

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 4>you might know is like going through a war. Oh yeah,

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 4>it's an independent film and I acted in it, you know,

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 4>but there was no trail, there's no dressing rooms, and

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 4>like you're just like working the whole. You know, you're

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 4>literally calling quiet on the set and delivering a deep

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:07.160
<v Speaker 4>performance all in one go. Whereas when you're when I

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 4>was doing shows like this on television, there's a lot

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 4>of protection. The actor is protected a lot, you know,

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.200
<v Speaker 4>a PA or an ad Generally, a PA will take

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 4>you to your trailer, take you to lunch, bring you

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.440
<v Speaker 4>to the set, and then again break and you go

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 4>off and the regulars study their lines or they're getting

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:31.920
<v Speaker 4>notes I mean it looks easy, but comedy is actually hard.

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 4>And the writers especially, I'm sure the writers of this show,

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 4>because the writing is so keen. You know, the writers

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 4>are giving you notes between takes and helping you hone

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.920
<v Speaker 4>the comedy, and so I really don't recall socializing. Also,

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 4>you guys were young.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we would have been going off

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 1>into school. I mean, what's amazing is that we actually

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 1>don't have that many scenes together. It's funny because when

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you showed up on screen, I was like, oh my god,

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:00.080
<v Speaker 1>it's Sharien and I totally remember. And then I was like, well,

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Ben gets the big scene with her, and I remembered

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>that scene as if I had been in it, because

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I must have been there for the run throughs watching it.

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>But then I was like, oh, then you show up

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>in the trailer at the end of the episode, and

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of it. And then and then the.

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<v Speaker 7>Janitor Dad, it's you and Blake at school right more

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 7>so than you know, So.

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't have that many interactions.

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<v Speaker 5>So strange though, because it really works well for the

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 5>character that there's something about the idea that Sean's mom

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 5>gets along and gets closer with Corey and other people

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 5>around everyone but Sean. For some reason, there's some disconnect

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 5>with her and her own son that actually really worked

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 5>for the characters. As you're going, you know, Blake is

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 5>obviously overcompensating as trying to be the funny dad and

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:49.920
<v Speaker 5>doing everything you can, and and Verna feels the disconnect,

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.199
<v Speaker 5>and it did.

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 6>It just worked for the whole family dynamic.

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I mean I even yesterday I was like, oh,

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 4>I see it almost maybe I feel it even the

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 4>other way, which is that she I wrote to him

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 4>every day, and so perhaps I didn't have to work

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:10.119
<v Speaker 4>that relationship because we felt connected. We were connected, But

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:14.439
<v Speaker 4>the relationship that had to be written and sorted was

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 4>the one with Blake, you know, with check because he

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 4>was sort of blamed for me, oh my god, abandoning

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 4>my son. I mean, you know, it was kind of

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 4>a courageous move on the part of the writers, you know, yeah, right, well, and.

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 7>So brilliantly played, because as we talked about when we

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 7>did the recap of your first episode, we were primed

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 7>as an audience to not like this woman because who

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 7>could abandon her child? And then you come on and

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 7>you're just like, you love her and she's kind and

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 7>even though you still have a hard time understanding how

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 7>she could just pick up and leave her son and

0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 7>by the way, take his home because.

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 6>You left the rail huge problem with that.

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they did.

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 1>What did I do?

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:05.680
<v Speaker 4>I took his home.

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 2>You took the trailer.

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 7>You left in the trailer the family lived in, so

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 7>he didn't have a space to live. No when you left,

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 7>when you left it, there was no trailer. And then

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 7>and then Blake. So yeah, you you left your family

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 7>and then your husband homeless.

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 4>You guys, that's a nightmare.

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Well it's funny because it actually isn't really addressed. I mean,

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 1>they they sort of they sort of do this sleight

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>of hand where you show up in that hotel room

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>scene with Corey and you are so sympathetic because you

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 1>you you sort of emanate a sadness and a like

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>and and a fragility that is like, oh this poor woman.

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>But in reality, like they don't really ever address the

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>fact that you you did a pretty awful thing, and

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what Will couldn't get over. Will was kind of

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 1>like this, Yeah, it's again, it's it's a tricky thing,

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>you know. I think they kind of had backed themselves

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>into this backstory and then they wanted to, you know,

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>entered use your character, and they kind of had to

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>ignore that in order for you to stay to remain likable,

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>which you are likeable completely. It's a little bit of

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>a yeah.

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 4>But I have to say though, that I wonder what

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 4>the intention was for Sean, meaning that Sean would end

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 4>up being this young man who I guess would be

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 4>well wanting to connect a lot to other people, especially

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 4>perhaps h Cory because he doesn't have a tight family

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 4>of his own. I guess that would have been the intention. Maybe, Yeah,

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 4>that would have been the result is that it might

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 4>have created a young boy, you know, a young man

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 4>who needs contact, needs inclusion.

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean one of the biggest themes of the

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>show that you know, it's explicitly stated in one episode,

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>but then it's it is an overriding thing, is that

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be blood to be family, and

0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>that you know, it plays out in Shawn's overall storyline

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 1>that he essentially needs Corey to panga the Matthews family

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>to compensate for what he's not getting at home.

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 5>But there's also something interesting that I'm just thinking about

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 5>now as we're discussing this where Sean has a much

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 5>easier time connecting with men and boys than he does

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 5>with girls or women. Like even Topanga, they have, you know,

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 5>kind of an ongoing problem. They go, they fight against

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 5>each other a little bit. The girlfriends. We don't get

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 5>a steady girlfriend until Angela. So there really is Yeah,

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 5>he's got yeah, he's got a it seems like he's

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 5>got a trust.

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah when he comes to women. I mean, he definitely does.

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:41.479
<v Speaker 4>When you have abandoned man issues.

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, sure.

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 5>And I'm curious when you came into audition for the role,

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 5>were you given any of the backstory that they had

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 5>set up originally for the character or No.

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 4>Again, I don't fully remember, but I do remember knowing

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 4>that this was his long lost mom who had gone

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 4>away and left the family, and that there was some

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 4>kind of dark past and that she's returned. Okay, and

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 4>that's it, and just that through. You know, I didn't

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 4>know the entire arc because I only probably had the

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 4>one episode when I auditioned. They hadn't created either a

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 4>victim in Vernon nor a kind of hard mean woman either.

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 4>She's kind of had her reasons. I mean again, they

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 4>wrote an interesting character.

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 2>She's complex.

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 7>Can you talk a little bit about what it was

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 7>like working with Rusty and Betsy in the Turkey Day episode.

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 7>We were talking about how that it was never it's

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 7>never mentioned that, you know for a while when Shawn

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 7>before he went to live with mister Turner, he lived

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 7>with the Matthews, and then we do this Turkey Day

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 7>episode where the families are spending time together, and similarly

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:07.479
<v Speaker 7>to the way they kind of had to ignore that

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 7>you had abandoned your son and stole his home, the

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 7>other characters also kind of had to ignore the idea

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 7>that we're just going to go to this woman's house

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 7>for Thanksgiving, even though we almost had to adopt her son.

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 2>So what was that like for you working with Rusty

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 2>and Betsy?

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 4>You know you guys Again, I think I learned more

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 4>about the episode that I participated in by watching it

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 4>again than maybe by being in it. Sure, because again,

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 4>when you're a guest, you mostly focus on your scenes,

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 4>and I will I have a very vivid memory of

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 4>the entire Thanksgiving scene in the trailer because it was

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 4>so funny to me and Blake was funny. The whole

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 4>idea of me serving the cheese and wanting to make

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 4>the same green out of the wine and how completely

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 4>sort of you know, Verna was a bit guileless, you know,

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 4>she didn't really know any better. And there's this heartbreaking

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 4>moment when Betsy hands me that beautiful casserole dish and

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 4>I noticed in my own work. I was like, oh, wow,

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 4>look at me. I just sort of touched the dish.

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it makes me want to cry now, you know.

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 4>She She's like, oh, the realization that you know, and

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 4>that and that's what the episode was about, and it

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 4>was so beautifully handled, this idea of disparity, you know,

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 4>income disparity or income inequity, and it's being handled right

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 4>there in their lives, like oh, and then it was

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 4>fascinating too, this what happened with these guys, you know

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 4>in the trailer park who were a little bit like,

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 4>who is this family coming here from the other side

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 4>of town and you know they're going to make fun

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 4>of us? And how beautifully kind of there was a

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 4>resolution at the end, but my memory of that, first

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 4>of all, all you guys, all of you are terrific comedians,

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 4>terrific actors, and you know they were no exception. You

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 4>know these are you guys were consummate even at a

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 4>young age. It is not easy to pull off that

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.359
<v Speaker 4>kind of comedy and week after week after week, and

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:23.359
<v Speaker 4>so yeah, they're terrific actors. And again I was like

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 4>an innocent with I was surrounded by comedy sharks. You know,

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 4>I just we're gonna get singing me. You know, I

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 4>really had a rough time keeping it together. I was

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 4>having too much fun. I know you the way around.

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.879
<v Speaker 7>You made the joke that the reason we don't see

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 7>Verna again is because you couldn't keep it together.

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 2>But did you know then that Turkey Day was going

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 2>to be your last episode?

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 7>We were shocked when when that episode came around and

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:58.280
<v Speaker 7>I read this is Sharene's last episode, we were all shocked.

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 7>Wright or fully remembered there be more.

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Of course he got to do with you. He was like,

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 2>there's no way that's the end. Did you know that

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 2>this was going to be your last episode?

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was from the original booking. I was booked

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 4>for a three episode or wow, that was that was

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 4>the book. I mean, of course, you know, every actor

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<v Speaker 4>is like, oh my god, it would be so fun

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<v Speaker 4>if I could go back, or oh my god, it'd

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<v Speaker 4>be great if they decided to write her in or

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<v Speaker 4>you know, maybe he'll need kind of stay in touch

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 4>with his mom. And I'm not sure it was fully

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<v Speaker 4>ever explained, Like do you guys know what happened to?

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<v Speaker 2>No closure would have been nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're gonna we do find out, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>spoiler alert, spoiler alert that you are not my biological

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 1>mom that ends up becoming revealed, that.

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<v Speaker 7>Is revealed in season seven that you're not actually his

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<v Speaker 7>biological mother, right, And we haven't gotten to those episodes yet,

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 7>so we did not remember that. Like that was completely

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:52.800
<v Speaker 7>a shock to us, but about two hundred people emailed

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 7>it to us.

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<v Speaker 5>Do we does do any does anybody here remember if

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<v Speaker 5>we find out who is biological mommy?

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<v Speaker 6>Does chet even know who is? I mean he mustn't, right,

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:03.280
<v Speaker 6>It's not like a guy.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like, you know who the mom is, so it's

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you got it, but it's never mentioned, right,

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 5>It's just like she's not your biological mom, but we're

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<v Speaker 5>not gonna talk about who.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's not Jack's mom, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I know that what Blake has to come

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<v Speaker 1>back for. Obviously he comes back and dies, right, But

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he must have come back for another

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<v Speaker 1>episode in between there, and at some point, isn't it

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>explained like where Sean is living what.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he comes back for a lot more because

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 5>there's a whole storyline with Jack two. I mean, I

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 5>think there's I think you guys do a few episodes

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<v Speaker 5>ago and then he does a couple as a ghost.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean it's like it comes back as a

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>good Yeah, but there's there's I'm pretty sure that we

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 1>introduced Jack without Blake coming back, right, and then Blake

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>comes back for the episode where he dies. It's called

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>like we'll have a good time then, Like it's just

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just one really, I think so, because the whole

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.839
<v Speaker 1>point of that episode is that like he and I

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>come to terms, like we we kind of like find

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<v Speaker 1>a new relationship now that he's back in town after

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.280
<v Speaker 1>being away, and then he dies of a heart attack.

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.320
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a tragic episode's weirdly dramatic.

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<v Speaker 2>Scharene, so much happened after you left.

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<v Speaker 4>Us, and clearly Chet was kind of, you know, like

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 4>a wild man. I mean he obviously had a baby

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 4>with somebody else, and then maybe that's why Erna left him.

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 4>You know, just the kind of you.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, yeah, maybe she didn't know. Sean wasn't hers.

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 2>I gave birth to that baby.

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<v Speaker 1>For a couple of years of her life, she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>quite remember.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Chen, do you do you? Did you start acting

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<v Speaker 5>at a young age? Did you did you start in

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<v Speaker 5>New York? How did you get into the industry.

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:43.359
<v Speaker 4>I went to a very good college and my parents

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't let me study acting, and so I was pre

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<v Speaker 4>met for three years.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 4>My dad had been the doctor, and I think I

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.399
<v Speaker 4>thought I would okay, fine, if I can't be an actor,

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:56.799
<v Speaker 4>I'll make dad happy. Of course, I went to work

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.720
<v Speaker 4>at a hospital during a winter break and was literally,

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, dizzy at every turn because I was so

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 4>overwhelmed by the amount of you know, pain in the hospital.

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.759
<v Speaker 4>And I remember thinking like, this isn't kind of the

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 4>hospital I was expecting. I was expecting bright lights and

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 4>a white flat. You know. I was the acting version

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 4>of Ali. And once I graduated, I went and worked

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 4>in fashion, because which was my second love to acting,

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 4>was fashion. I was I went to Mademoiselle magazine. I

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:27.800
<v Speaker 4>was in the fashion department, and then I got a

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 4>job at an American Vogue here in New York and

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 4>I was in the fashion department and I did that

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 4>for about three years, and then I became the national

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 4>scout for a top modeling agency called Elite. I was

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 4>twenty four years old. They sent me to Paris and

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.839
<v Speaker 4>I ran around with all these supermodels. It was an

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.839
<v Speaker 4>extraordinary time. But while I was there, my family hit

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 4>a really hard bump. A lot of really tough things

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 4>happened to my family, and my fiance had an affair

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 4>with the model from the agency, and I was not

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.760
<v Speaker 4>only devastated by what was happening to my family, but

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 4>I was heartbroken for the first time in my life.

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 4>And I was living in Paris, away from my family

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 4>and especially from my younger sisters. So I came back

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.760
<v Speaker 4>to New York and decided to live my own life.

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.280
<v Speaker 4>And I took my first acting class with a wonderful

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 4>acting teacher named Warren Robertson in New York, and within

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 4>two years I booked a small independent film, and in

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 4>the third year, I became a member of the Actress

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<v Speaker 4>Studio after one audition, and I booked my first feature,

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<v Speaker 4>which was a feature with Steven Segall called Out for Justice.

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I didn't see anybody seeing Richie.

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 5>Anybody know what Richie did Bobby Lupo, Oh yeah, chomping anything.

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 5>Of course, of course I know. But I could do

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 5>Out for Justice Backwards, sidewards and foremast.

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<v Speaker 4>That was my first big role. And it took me

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 4>out to LA And once I got to La, I

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 4>was like, it's January. It's freezing in New York. It's

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 4>gorgeous here, Like, why would I go back? So I

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 4>stayed and one of the agents. You know, at the time,

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.720
<v Speaker 4>you could kind of be hip pocketed by a couple

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 4>of agents. So one had gotten me this role, but

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 4>another one had wanted to represent me, and so she

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 4>finds me through finding my mom and she says, have

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.840
<v Speaker 4>you ever what are you doing? Are you working with

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 4>anybody out there? And I said no, and I said

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 4>I had just wrapped Out for Justice, And she said,

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:37.959
<v Speaker 4>I want to send you up for this guest star

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 4>on Who's the Boss, because Who's the Boss was a

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 4>big show at the time, And went up for the

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 4>guest star and I booked it and it was was

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 4>called Tony in the Mafia Princess, and so it was

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 4>about Tony Danz's character has to domesticate the daughter of

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.759
<v Speaker 4>a mafioso, and she is, you know, just kind of

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 4>a spoiled little girl. Basically, it's a great episode. It

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 4>was a guest star and so I do that. And

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 4>then Vicky Rosenberg, who was the casting director of that series,

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 4>said who's representing you out here? And she sent me

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:15.840
<v Speaker 4>to another wonderful agent, Roe Diamond, And within about a

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.840
<v Speaker 4>few months, Roe sent me up for American Heart, which

0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 4>was a movie with Jeff Bridges and Jeff This was

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 4>based on a documentary. So answer short answer, No, I

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.320
<v Speaker 4>was in my mid to late twenties when I really

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:36.720
<v Speaker 4>started acting and got my first break. And this leads

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 4>me to just say to you, like I tell people

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 4>all the time, if there's a dream in your heart,

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 4>if there's some gift there that's being carried within you,

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 4>it's not an accident. It was placed there by something

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 4>bigger than you, and there will be a way made

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.359
<v Speaker 4>for it if you address it, if you go to it.

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 4>And I have to say, I was really lucky because

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 4>I never believed in no, and I still don't. I

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 4>don't believe in the limitations that we often hear about.

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh it's harder, you know, it's very hard if you're

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.319
<v Speaker 4>too old, if you're to this, if you're too that.

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't buy any I never bought any of it,

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 4>you know. I just believe that again, if if the

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 4>yearning is there, a way will be made if you

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 4>address it. So I was very positive about my career

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 4>all the way through. So I did. So. I did

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 4>American Heart, which is a beautiful movie if you've never

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 4>seen it. And then I did and then I and

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:39.280
<v Speaker 4>then I booked. I went up for the Tony Danzis

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 4>series Huts History. I wasn't supposed to get it. In

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 4>the last minute, I go up to tests and I

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.400
<v Speaker 4>booked this thing, twenty two episodes on air. It was,

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, really nothing, sort of America, but was my

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:55.759
<v Speaker 4>first series audition. I never asked before. I know, it

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 4>was kind of the luck of the innocent. I've never

0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 4>been into test before. So I woke into this room.

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 4>There was like thirty five ABC executives, and I was

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 4>just like, hi, I was just so happy. I was

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 4>completely delighted to be there. I just booked that. And

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 4>then after that was when Boy Meets World came along,

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 4>and a lot of other guest stars and recurring roles,

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 4>and that was at a time when a good working

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 4>actor could get a lot of guests and recurring roles.

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 4>And then, I don't know what you guys might remember.

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 4>What happened for me, just to bring you up to speed,

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 4>was in two thousand and one, there was a writer's strike.

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 4>Two thousand and one, just near the end of the

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 4>resolution of the writer's strike was an actor's strike, and

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 4>so all of us who were solid working actors go

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 4>out of work for like a year and a half.

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:51.359
<v Speaker 4>And frankly, I wasn't prepared for it financially. I just

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 4>hadn't you know, your viewers might find it interesting. I

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 4>don't know. But when you were an actor, you know,

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 4>in you're earning, you have you come off of a

0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 4>long period of not earning, so you begin to earn

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 4>and suddenly you're paying down debts and you're you know,

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:11.319
<v Speaker 4>you're living. You try to live a little better than

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:15.280
<v Speaker 4>you have, and you know, maybe you let yourself enjoy

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:19.240
<v Speaker 4>life a bit more than you did, and suddenly you realize, oh,

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 4>it might be another minute before I work again. And

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 4>I just didn't have that savvy you know, to kind

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 4>of figure out like, oh, wait a minute, you know,

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.359
<v Speaker 4>I've just come off a series. Let me save this

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 4>portion or invest that portion, you know. I just didn't know.

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 4>And so a year and a half go by, and

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm going through my savings, and by two thousand and two,

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and three, I was in a panic. And

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 4>I also don't know if you guys remember, but that

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 4>was the beginning of reality programming.

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, killed the industry.

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 4>Did and it made it a lot harder change the industry.

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 4>It did change it, and not necessarily for the first

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 4>for the worst, or it was harder, but then it

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 4>became easier because a lot of other platforms developed for

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 4>us all to work on and creative. But by two

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.719
<v Speaker 4>thousand and three, I was like and I spent a

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 4>year auditioning. I was put on a veil fourteen times,

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:16.399
<v Speaker 4>oh my, and I was losing the parts to name

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 4>actresses who were bigger than me, who had been waiting

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:24.280
<v Speaker 4>that same period of time for a job. And so

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:28.879
<v Speaker 4>I began to panic, and I began to seek out

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 4>alternate ways to make a living. I also became very

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 4>humble about finding alternate ways to make a living. You know,

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 4>it's so important, and I didn't know this then. To

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 4>keep working and to keep serving other people in any

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 4>way that you can, so that you're not just earning

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 4>and having a second income source, but that you are

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 4>engaged in a meaningful way with other people, be they

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 4>creatives or non you know, and thankful. It took me

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:03.720
<v Speaker 4>a really tough year of babysitting and just barely getting

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 4>by to stumble upon an idea, which was to take

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 4>used clothing and rework those pieces of clothing into fashion.

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 7>You were upcycling before upcycling was a buzzy word like

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 7>it is right now.

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 4>I was a big part of that trend of upcycling,

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 4>or you know Zach cool reworking. And I started out

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 4>in a fleeting market, in a little ten by ten

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:33.439
<v Speaker 4>booth in a in a parking lot, And in the

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 4>third month of my booth, I got offered a warehouse

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 4>to build a store in. In the second month of

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 4>that warehouse, the New York Times wrote about it.

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 2>This is a Fairfax trading post you were at, right.

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 4>I was at Fairfax, And because it was Fairfax in

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:54.919
<v Speaker 4>West Hollywood. Here I have humbled in a way I've

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 4>become humble. I've I'll be honest. I spent a year

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 4>babysitting at I cried every day what had happened to

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 4>my life? All I knew was I had to start

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.840
<v Speaker 4>earning money, and I had to stop using credit cards

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:09.400
<v Speaker 4>to get by, and I had to stop waiting for

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:12.800
<v Speaker 4>residual checks. I had to get to work, which really

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 4>means get engaged with other humans and find a way

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 4>to serve them. And what I stumbled upon was I

0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 4>had a talent for dressing women and a talent for

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 4>style because I had had a background in it. Sure,

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 4>so here I go to the trading post. But my

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.359
<v Speaker 4>eyes when I go to these vintage stores, I mean

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 4>to these thrift shops is for fashion. I'm like, well,

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:37.320
<v Speaker 4>Mark Jacobs is doing nineteen fifty and Louis Vuitton is

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.880
<v Speaker 4>doing nineteen sixty. And I could see that because I

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 4>had the background. And so all the coolest girls in

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:47.799
<v Speaker 4>Hollywood are walking into my booth going like what are

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:51.399
<v Speaker 4>you doing? Like what is this? And I attracted this

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 4>really cool group of celebrity young celebrities. They were all

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 4>just about to break through into celebrity status. I'm being

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.640
<v Speaker 4>without tossing out names, really like the coolest it girls

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 4>became my clients. I ended up with this warehouse store.

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 4>I ended up getting covered by the press. But like crazy,

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 4>I ended up working, you know, trend forecasting for all

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 4>these huge designers, because girls who wear vintage clothing are

0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 4>always on the fringe. They're always the girl who wants

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 4>to look different than everyone else. Fashion is created by

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 4>from the ground up. Fashion is created by the people

0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 4>who really don't have the money to go into the stores.

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:36.000
<v Speaker 4>Once it's in the stores, it's on trend, it's already

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:39.640
<v Speaker 4>everybody wants to know what's coming. It's going to be

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:42.920
<v Speaker 4>that girl who's got the courage to look like nobody

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 4>else and buy something in a thrift store and make

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 4>it cool. And so those are my girls, and so

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:53.919
<v Speaker 4>everybody wanted to study them. And I did this for

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:57.000
<v Speaker 4>about twelve years, and it began to morph into another

0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 4>form of making clothes, and I began to make wedding dresses.

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:07.040
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, it's an amazing story, and I will tell

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 4>you that now. I came back to New York in

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 4>twenty sixteen. I went back to the Actors Studio. I

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 4>began writing that story because this is a story of

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.279
<v Speaker 4>humility and transformation and purpose. I'm sorry, it makes me

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 4>very emotional. Great because I learned when I stopped acting

0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 4>in that period because I couldn't get the work that

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 4>I had growth to be done. I had growth to do,

0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 4>and that that would teach me what my purpose was,

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 4>which was really to speak into the hearts of especially

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 4>young women, and to encourage them to have a sense

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:50.000
<v Speaker 4>of self esteem and to have a sense of compassion

0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 4>for the self esteem and a commitment to their individuality.

0:49:56.320 --> 0:50:00.600
<v Speaker 4>And this was the beginning of many designers designing and

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:05.399
<v Speaker 4>merchandising for authenticity, and it was the beginning of this

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.719
<v Speaker 4>trend of like, you don't need to be like it,

0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 4>you aren't like anyone else, and so claim your authenticity,

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 4>which is a tremendous, really gift right to a human

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 4>being to go like, oh, the coolest thing about me

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:20.840
<v Speaker 4>is me, you know it said, I get to be

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:24.799
<v Speaker 4>entirely authentically me. And that was a big part of

0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:27.920
<v Speaker 4>my messaging as I worked with every little girl who

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.280
<v Speaker 4>was and they were all mostly very young girls who

0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 4>came to me for their prom, their first prom dress

0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:37.839
<v Speaker 4>or their first important dress, their butt mitzvah dress, their

0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:42.799
<v Speaker 4>prom dress, whatever, and I'm yeah, and I look at

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:44.719
<v Speaker 4>them and go like, oh, you listen to me, you

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.279
<v Speaker 4>are such a beauty here, let's choose you something cool.

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:50.360
<v Speaker 4>And I moved into the space of like really loving

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:55.760
<v Speaker 4>and supporting them, and they changed my life. So I

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 4>in twenty sixteen, I come back to New York and

0:50:57.680 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 4>I begin writing about this. And in twenty twenty, it

0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.920
<v Speaker 4>was before COVID or after. It was just after COVID

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 4>I the plague was ready. It was called Who Are You?

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 4>It had six songs about girls and their moms and

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:14.960
<v Speaker 4>me and about really a form of faith, like what

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:18.320
<v Speaker 4>happens when you give your life over to something bigger,

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.279
<v Speaker 4>higher than you, and what will that thing do with you?

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:25.520
<v Speaker 4>It'll make your life a lot bigger than any life

0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 4>you can make for yourself. And I wrote this story

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 4>and the first producers who heard it are developing it

0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:33.360
<v Speaker 4>now for a big musical.

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:35.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's great, congratulation.

0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 4>It's extraordinary and it's moving because well, I don't know,

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 4>I guess it's kind of full circle. But Who Are

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 4>You is now being developed into, you know, a musical

0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:51.799
<v Speaker 4>with sixteen songs instead of six and I'm you know,

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm working on it. I literally you're meeting me at

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 4>a very interesting moment, and I'm going to say this

0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:03.360
<v Speaker 4>for you guys. You know, this business can discard you

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:09.279
<v Speaker 4>at different intervals of time, and I'm starting to realize

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 4>that there is a gifting in it if you don't

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:19.480
<v Speaker 4>experience it, experience it as a rejection, but instead as

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:24.879
<v Speaker 4>an opportunity to look inward and figure out how you're

0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 4>changing and where your voice, what it is that you

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 4>actually are starting to learn about life and how you're

0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 4>going to use that in your art, which is different

0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 4>than just being an actor. It's like, what are you

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:42.319
<v Speaker 4>here to say and do and give to this world?

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 4>And when you've been given a unique opportunity, as you

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.480
<v Speaker 4>guys have been and I have in my own way,

0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 4>to address a larger audience, it becomes it is incumbent

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:58.919
<v Speaker 4>upon you to refine your voice, your messaging. What are

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:03.439
<v Speaker 4>you saying? Because people are listening to you, and they care,

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:07.360
<v Speaker 4>they and they value you, you know. And so I

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 4>see now that in those ten years that I left

0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 4>the business, and I did leave it, I was refining

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:21.600
<v Speaker 4>another another understanding about life that I was going to

0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 4>then come back now years later. When many actors would

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:31.480
<v Speaker 4>feel that their value has diminished, I instead know that

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:36.719
<v Speaker 4>my value has actually increased. There I believe our society,

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 4>there's almost a conspiracy against aging and against people who

0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:48.359
<v Speaker 4>are artists who are aging or let's say seasoning or

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, marinating in life. I think that we

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 4>become more powerful and more valuable. I know that what

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.919
<v Speaker 4>actually has happened is you become more potent, just as

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 4>society or the industry might want to inhibit you. And

0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you, I'm here to tell you fight that

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 4>urge and fight buying it. Don't believe it. You are

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:18.560
<v Speaker 4>arriving into this new period in your lives where you

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:23.400
<v Speaker 4>will produce, You're going to write, you're going to develop projects,

0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:27.799
<v Speaker 4>and it's really critical that you maintain a sense of

0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 4>commitment to what you know, you carry, you know, and

0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 4>so yeah, here at this moment, you know, I've just

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:39.480
<v Speaker 4>written an adaptation of a one act play into a screenplay.

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.400
<v Speaker 4>We just shot it and it's beautiful. It's called a

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:46.319
<v Speaker 4>Tantalizing and it's a base on a William Master simone

0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:50.239
<v Speaker 4>one act and I'm starring opposite John Cullum, who's a

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.280
<v Speaker 4>two time Tony winner and a five time Tony nominee

0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:57.560
<v Speaker 4>and an Emmy nominee. And he's he's celebrated his ninety

0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 4>fourth verse birthday before we round stunning, stunning work. And

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm working on the musical which I can't tell you

0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 4>the new title, but it was called who Are You?

0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 4>And you know, again, my nature tells me who I

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:17.520
<v Speaker 4>am and tells me that I have no doubt that

0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:22.120
<v Speaker 4>it'll occur because it's part of something bigger. It's a

0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:25.480
<v Speaker 4>part of a bigger message that will have value and

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:29.360
<v Speaker 4>go forward. So I'm working on that. And I've written

0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 4>a play, an eight character play about financial inequality and

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:37.040
<v Speaker 4>what is fair? Is it fair for some people to

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.920
<v Speaker 4>have so much when so many people are suffering and

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:44.440
<v Speaker 4>have so little? And I say, it isn't It's not fair,

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, and the system isn't set up fairly, and

0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.839
<v Speaker 4>that's something i have a lot of compassion for and

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:55.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm committed to articulating those messages. And it happens to

0:55:55.080 --> 0:56:00.359
<v Speaker 4>be a comedy, so that's good. You know, a bunch

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:04.520
<v Speaker 4>of really like greedy people and how desperately they all

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.319
<v Speaker 4>want to find fairness, you know. So that's what I'm

0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.080
<v Speaker 4>doing and that's what I'm up to, and it's also

0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.120
<v Speaker 4>what I believe, and I want to encourage you guys

0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:17.759
<v Speaker 4>to to own in your own careers, because you clearly

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:22.799
<v Speaker 4>came into this business to deliver something really important that

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 4>impacted a lot of young people. And I'm pointing to

0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:31.319
<v Speaker 4>that room because I still see bridal clients and much

0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 4>less than I used to because I am busier with

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:37.440
<v Speaker 4>creative ventures now. But these young women, especially those in

0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:40.799
<v Speaker 4>their late twenties and thirties, when I tell them that

0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:46.719
<v Speaker 4>I was sure, girls run out of the room screaming

0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:51.400
<v Speaker 4>like like they it's almost like something that they didn't

0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:54.760
<v Speaker 4>know has come to life before them, right, yes, because

0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 4>they it's because they loved you guys so much, and

0:56:57.640 --> 0:57:00.240
<v Speaker 4>they loved Boy Meete's World so much.

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:03.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you for sharing all of that with us.

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:07.400
<v Speaker 7>I stories, I really enjoyed doing my research on you

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 7>last night and learning about I'm a vintage clothing fanatic

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:14.520
<v Speaker 7>and so learning about you and just doing some research

0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:14.839
<v Speaker 7>on that.

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you were a pioneer.

0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:19.440
<v Speaker 7>You are a pioneer, and so thank you for sharing

0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 7>all of that with us. Finally, looking back now, it's

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:39.720
<v Speaker 7>been almost thirty years since you made your appearance on

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:43.040
<v Speaker 7>Boy Meets World. If you could look, if you could

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 7>give a message to that Charene that Charene we met

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:48.000
<v Speaker 7>on Boy Meets World.

0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:51.680
<v Speaker 2>What would your message to her be, Well, it's.

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:55.120
<v Speaker 4>A big part of what's in the play the musical

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:57.959
<v Speaker 4>is that message. And it took me so many years

0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:01.520
<v Speaker 4>to learn it. But I you know, I speak to

0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 4>men and women, to all people. But I really couldn't

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 4>see myself then. I didn't know the value of my presence.

0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:18.360
<v Speaker 4>My shyness was really fear of connecting, of connection. I

0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:20.800
<v Speaker 4>didn't know that when people would meet me that they

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 4>would actually want to keep knowing me. I just assume

0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:27.280
<v Speaker 4>that it was, you know, because I had done the job,

0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:30.240
<v Speaker 4>that they were all being nice to me, instead of thinking, no,

0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:34.440
<v Speaker 4>they care about me because I care about them. My

0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 4>message to her then would be tell everyone the truth.

0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:43.760
<v Speaker 4>Give up your addictions. I was still an addiction at

0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 4>that time. I was struggling with a few things. And

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, addiction is tricky because it can be invisible

0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 4>to others. But if you suffer with addiction, it is

0:58:54.880 --> 0:59:02.160
<v Speaker 4>inhibiting your sense of purpose. It is when you surrender

0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:05.400
<v Speaker 4>your addictions, you move into the truth. And I wasn't

0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:08.200
<v Speaker 4>yet living in the truth then because I was afraid

0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 4>to ask for help. And so again you know nineteen

0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:18.160
<v Speaker 4>ninety six. Yeah, I wasn't yet entirely free. So that's

0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 4>part of my message too, is tell people the truth

0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:25.880
<v Speaker 4>about everything. Tell everyone the truth. Human beings, we are

0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:30.600
<v Speaker 4>wired to understand one another in the truth we are.

0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:35.320
<v Speaker 4>We actually are wired to be compassionate and people will

0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:37.440
<v Speaker 4>help you if you tell them what you're struggling with.

0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 4>And so I would say that I didn't know that

0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:45.680
<v Speaker 4>I was beautiful. I'd say today I'm an attractive woman,

0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:48.440
<v Speaker 4>But then I was a beautiful young woman, and I

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:53.480
<v Speaker 4>didn't know. I felt insecure, I felt not good enough.

0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:59.240
<v Speaker 4>I felt that my value was based on my business

0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:04.560
<v Speaker 4>appear I remember one day walking across a lot and

1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:08.080
<v Speaker 4>some guys whistled at me, and I thought, Sharen, how

1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:11.200
<v Speaker 4>many years is it going to take you to find freedom,

1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:16.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, in your physical self? And honestly, I never

1:00:16.120 --> 1:00:18.960
<v Speaker 4>really came to it until I gave up needing to

1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:23.000
<v Speaker 4>have and I gave that. I began serving three young women.

1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.400
<v Speaker 4>I began working with women, and I thought. I used

1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:29.120
<v Speaker 4>to drive to my vintage store every day and say,

1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:33.600
<v Speaker 4>I surrender my face because I know that nobody cared

1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:35.760
<v Speaker 4>what I look like, and nobody cares what we look

1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:39.800
<v Speaker 4>like also, you know, giving up a notion about my future.

1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:45.400
<v Speaker 4>I was so desperately attached to being an actress that

1:00:45.520 --> 1:00:48.520
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't see how many gifts I had that I

1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:51.919
<v Speaker 4>could draw from, and that maybe I would go down

1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:54.280
<v Speaker 4>other parts of the river, you know, into other little

1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:57.680
<v Speaker 4>tributaries of my gifting and then come back, you know,

1:00:57.720 --> 1:01:00.280
<v Speaker 4>into a richer But I couldn't see that. So I

1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:04.640
<v Speaker 4>was holding on some tight gender that I had, not

1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:07.720
<v Speaker 4>realizing that there was a latent talent, which was this

1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:11.840
<v Speaker 4>talent for design and styling that would bring me back

1:01:12.200 --> 1:01:17.360
<v Speaker 4>with even greater hits. But you know, I don't know.

1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:21.440
<v Speaker 4>Life is perfect, you guys. It's painful and it's perfect,

1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:25.360
<v Speaker 4>and it's heartbreaking and it's joyful and you just got

1:01:25.360 --> 1:01:30.000
<v Speaker 4>to stay in it and tell people the truth, ask

1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:32.960
<v Speaker 4>everyone for what you need, Like, tell people, you know,

1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:34.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm working on this thing and I don't know who

1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:36.120
<v Speaker 4>to talk to you, and I'm wondering how to do this.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know how to do that. Then my community

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<v Speaker 4>got smaller and smaller and smaller till I was completely isolated,

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<v Speaker 4>going broke. But even going through that, now I see

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<v Speaker 4>it was perfect for me going into the darkness, coming

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<v Speaker 4>back out again as a whole person, as a healed

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<v Speaker 4>person who was free of addiction. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, what a story.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much for sharing, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 7>spending your time with us here today and telling us

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<v Speaker 7>all about the wonderful things you're working on now. And

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<v Speaker 7>what a fascinating, interesting, beautiful life.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>And I want to tell you also thank you for

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<v Speaker 4>having me on and thank you for that you're doing this,

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<v Speaker 4>not you know, for me, but I mean for the

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<v Speaker 4>people that are hearing you. I think, bringing people back

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<v Speaker 4>and talking about your experience again, You're sharing the value

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<v Speaker 4>of your own lives. People want it, you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>they need to know from you. So I hope that

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<v Speaker 4>you all can doing other projects and keep expressing yourselves

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<v Speaker 4>the way that you are so generously.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you. I appreciate you so much. So great

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<v Speaker 2>to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>Good luck with all of your projects.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>What a story, what a life, My.

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<v Speaker 5>Gosh, I want I wanted to ask her something, but

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<v Speaker 5>it was I was so rived.

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<v Speaker 6>I wanted to ask her who.

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<v Speaker 5>She thought was the better actor, Jeff Bridges or Steven Seagall.

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<v Speaker 1>But Yeah, that's a tough debate, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 6>Seriously.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't want to go for the joke because I

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<v Speaker 5>was so rivetted by what she was saying.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, this is not a time to joke.

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<v Speaker 5>But everyone knows Steven Sagall is the better the two actors.

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<v Speaker 7>It's so interesting, like her, her incredible life. It reminds me.

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<v Speaker 7>I've talked about it before when we've done Q and

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<v Speaker 7>as and people say like, what's your advice to somebody

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<v Speaker 7>who wants to get into acting? And I always feel

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<v Speaker 7>like a buzzkill saying, know what your plan B is

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<v Speaker 7>because I don't necessary. I don't mean because you're probably

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<v Speaker 7>gonna end up having to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I didn't truly feel.

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<v Speaker 7>Free to be creative until I knew if it doesn't,

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<v Speaker 7>if somebody isn't going to give me a chance, if

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not going to make it in acting, I have

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<v Speaker 7>something else I love just as much I have something else.

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<v Speaker 7>And for her, you know, she was holding onto it

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<v Speaker 7>so tightly. I need to be an actor. I need

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<v Speaker 7>to be an actor. I need to be an actor.

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<v Speaker 7>She was going broke, and then she said, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 7>I have this fashion background, and she pursued this whole

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<v Speaker 7>other part of her life that exactly like she said,

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<v Speaker 7>ended up giving her so much more value in then

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<v Speaker 7>the entertainment industry because she had that life experience. So

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<v Speaker 7>it's just, you know, like she said, life is perfect

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<v Speaker 7>the way it works out, even when you think it's

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<v Speaker 7>a disaster and you're falling back on your Plan B. Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>it's just it's so great. How if you just let

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<v Speaker 7>it unfold?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think the key is, like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>problem with acting or the challenge. The biggest challenge of

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<v Speaker 1>acting is that so much of it is out of

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<v Speaker 1>your control and you're constantly you know, being rejected. You're

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<v Speaker 1>constantly not getting parts. So that's part of the job, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, you're swinging and missing more often

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<v Speaker 1>than you're actually hitting. But that's okay. But the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is you start to feel like that's not okay, that

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<v Speaker 1>you're being pushed out of the industry, that you're being

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<v Speaker 1>told well, you're not really talented, you're not actually you

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<v Speaker 1>don't belong here y. And so I think having a

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<v Speaker 1>Plan B is exactly right. But it's not even that

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<v Speaker 1>it needs to be a career. It just needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be a passion or a sense of self. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>is not tether to the your status within the industry,

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<v Speaker 1>because your status within the industry is a nightmare. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you're looking to that to give you

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of self, you're never going to be satisfied.

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<v Speaker 1>You're never going to be happy, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it took me way too long to realize that.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, well, it's also when you're younger, an actor

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<v Speaker 6>is what you are. When you're older, an actor is

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<v Speaker 6>what you do.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and those are two completely different things. I'm an

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<v Speaker 5>actor and that it's what I do. It's no longer

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<v Speaker 5>who I am. But when you're when you're seventeen, eighteen

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<v Speaker 5>years old, it's who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm an actor right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, you know, you want to be categorized,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, especially in high school age, Like that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you want, right It's like a sense of identity and like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is I found who I am. And

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<v Speaker 1>the truth is, you found what you're going to do,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe for the next couple of years, maybe for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of your life. But yeah, yeah, I gotta I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta remember that to like encourage INDI you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's a tendency as a parent and

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<v Speaker 1>as a friend, as anybody to look at somebody be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're this type of person, and you just it's so

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<v Speaker 1>much better to be like, you're you're having fun doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing this really well, keep doing that maybe for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, but it's not gonna be like, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>your identity, it's your occupation.

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<v Speaker 5>That's it, and that's the need to passions, right, that's

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<v Speaker 5>do it.

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