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Speaker 1: This is this is really this presecharch chatter is just

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Speaker 1: And then this leads to, you know, Jeff Bezos has

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Speaker 1: And it was like we get past, like well, I

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Speaker 7: And that's why Will has made a ban on all

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Speaker 5: I actually have the least kid friendly home I know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but there are toys that kids are not allowed

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Speaker 5: Exactly sorry, do you have any toys and water slides?

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Speaker 1: Growing do you actually have? Do you have any that

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Speaker 7: Exactly, let's make Pod meets World figures. What would our

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Speaker 6: Yeah they press the button, it would just go God.

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Speaker 3: I hate toys.

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Speaker 6: Hate being a toy.

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Speaker 6: And who even likes toys? Toys are commercial?

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Speaker 7: Mine would ask a question and then just talk. Mine

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Speaker 7: Because what I like to do on a date is

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Speaker 7: I like to go for a long walk.

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Speaker 1: Will scream merch but like keep a variety of different

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Speaker 1: merchant or I would explain why I'm like, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I no longer do the Phoenie call.

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Speaker 6: I gave it to this girl throwing you know something

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Speaker 1: Too, like to be a long description.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, toys that would actually finish the other one.

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Speaker 1: But all anybody would want is a doll of you

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Speaker 1: Would you do it?

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Speaker 2: Then like your bank account, right, If it would go to.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, if other people to help would give you money,

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Speaker 7: I like this idea.

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Speaker 5: Well, oh you're still see I was just the perfect

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Speaker 5: what I was gonna say. I was gonna say, when

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Pond Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right

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Speaker 7: Through the whirlwind that has been Season four of Boy

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Speaker 7: We'd see her again in Janitor Dad, then Turkey Day,

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Speaker 4: Hi, Hi, it's so nice to see you guys. Thank

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Speaker 6: Fashion, the fashion does that's about it.

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Speaker 4: That's about it exactly, hairstyles and hair color and ages.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean if you think about the shows that you

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Speaker 2: You know, well, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 7: Actually, do you remember your audition for Boy Meets World.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so I break all the time. We've

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Speaker 7: you laughed at it, and now you're expecting it, so

441
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 7: you're going to be able to keep it together because

442
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 7: you know what to expect. So then he would just

443
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 7: do something totally different it's equally as funny, and you

444
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 7: were like, wait, I had been able to get myself

445
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 7: to a still place because I thought I knew what

446
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 7: you were going to do. Yeah, it was that anytime

447
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 7: we worked with Blake, I remember it just it being

448
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 7: hard to keep it together. And I wasn't even in

449
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 7: a lot of scenes, if any scenes with Blake, but

450
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 7: I remember watching run throughs and just seeing everybody lose

451
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 7: it with him all the time.

452
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 4: That's another thing I wanted acknowledge the show for, which

453
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 4: is that all the supporting rules, all the guest stars

454
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 4: are terrific.

455
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

456
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 4: I mean those two boys, the brothers that crossed the Frankie,

457
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: Oh my god, They're so funny, and the writing for

458
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 4: them is so intellectual. You know, that's funny. I really

459
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 4: admired that. And then the guy that comes into Will

460
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 4: he worked in a scene with you and your dad,

461
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 4: who He's like, I come, I come here from the

462
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 4: backwoods to Yeah, another great character.

463
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so the burly mountain man.

464
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 4: The burly mountain man. But yeah, the casting was really terrific.

465
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 7: What we talked about Blake and what it was like

466
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 7: working with Blake, what were your impressions of a young

467
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 7: wright Strong and what was your relationship Do you remember

468
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 7: working on your relationship or did you guys try to

469
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 7: keep some distance because you were supposed to be estranged.

470
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: What was that relationship?

471
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 4: Like, I feel like I got closer to Corey his

472
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: character to Ben because he kind of led the way.

473
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: And I will admit that I've changed a lot since

474
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 4: those years. I was actually very shy when I was

475
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 4: on a set. I don't know if you know your

476
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 4: listeners understand, but you know, when you're a guest and

477
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 4: you're coming into a core group of regulars, Yeah, the

478
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 4: regulars are under a lot of pressure to deliver the show,

479
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 4: and the guest is really just a small part of

480
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 4: the whole episode. And so and I know this too

481
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 4: because when I was a series regular on a series

482
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 4: with Tony Danza called Hudson Street. We had a year

483
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 4: and I was, you know, on the show that full year,

484
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 4: and I remember being under a lot of pressure, you know,

485
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 4: to deliver an entire episode and to just really deliver

486
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 4: the comedy of my role and so on. And when

487
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 4: guests would come, you would want to be welcoming and

488
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 4: inclusive and make them feel comfortable. But same time, you know,

489
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: you had your own life and stuff to deal with.

490
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: So I don't recall really getting very close to you

491
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 4: because there really wasn't room. And then also there's just

492
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 4: even the pressure of kind of not the pressure, but

493
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 4: the importance is the value of taking seriously my own

494
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 4: lines and my own moments that as I recall it,

495
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 4: also at the time, I likely had my own dressing

496
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 4: room or even maybe small trailer. And you know, I

497
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 4: just finished an independent film and I'll tell you guys

498
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 4: about it. It's a beautiful movie, and we put my

499
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 4: sister and I have started a production company, and so

500
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 4: this is our first We produced it, which I'm sure

501
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 4: you might know is like going through a war. Oh yeah,

502
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 4: it's an independent film and I acted in it, you know,

503
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 4: but there was no trail, there's no dressing rooms, and

504
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 4: like you're just like working the whole. You know, you're

505
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 4: literally calling quiet on the set and delivering a deep

506
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 4: performance all in one go. Whereas when you're when I

507
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 4: was doing shows like this on television, there's a lot

508
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 4: of protection. The actor is protected a lot, you know,

509
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 4: a PA or an ad Generally, a PA will take

510
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 4: you to your trailer, take you to lunch, bring you

511
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 4: to the set, and then again break and you go

512
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: off and the regulars study their lines or they're getting

513
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 4: notes I mean it looks easy, but comedy is actually hard.

514
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: And the writers especially, I'm sure the writers of this show,

515
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 4: because the writing is so keen. You know, the writers

516
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 4: are giving you notes between takes and helping you hone

517
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 4: the comedy, and so I really don't recall socializing. Also,

518
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 4: you guys were young.

519
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we would have been going off

520
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: into school. I mean, what's amazing is that we actually

521
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: don't have that many scenes together. It's funny because when

522
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: you showed up on screen, I was like, oh my god,

523
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: it's Sharien and I totally remember. And then I was like, well,

524
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: Ben gets the big scene with her, and I remembered

525
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: that scene as if I had been in it, because

526
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: I must have been there for the run throughs watching it.

527
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: But then I was like, oh, then you show up

528
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: in the trailer at the end of the episode, and

529
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of it. And then and then the.

530
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 7: Janitor Dad, it's you and Blake at school right more

531
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 7: so than you know, So.

532
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: You don't have that many interactions.

533
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 5: So strange though, because it really works well for the

534
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 5: character that there's something about the idea that Sean's mom

535
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 5: gets along and gets closer with Corey and other people

536
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 5: around everyone but Sean. For some reason, there's some disconnect

537
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 5: with her and her own son that actually really worked

538
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 5: for the characters. As you're going, you know, Blake is

539
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 5: obviously overcompensating as trying to be the funny dad and

540
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 5: doing everything you can, and and Verna feels the disconnect,

541
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 5: and it did.

542
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 6: It just worked for the whole family dynamic.

543
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I even yesterday I was like, oh,

544
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 4: I see it almost maybe I feel it even the

545
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: other way, which is that she I wrote to him

546
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 4: every day, and so perhaps I didn't have to work

547
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 4: that relationship because we felt connected. We were connected, But

548
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 4: the relationship that had to be written and sorted was

549
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: the one with Blake, you know, with check because he

550
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: was sort of blamed for me, oh my god, abandoning

551
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: my son. I mean, you know, it was kind of

552
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 4: a courageous move on the part of the writers, you know, yeah, right, well, and.

553
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 7: So brilliantly played, because as we talked about when we

554
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 7: did the recap of your first episode, we were primed

555
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 7: as an audience to not like this woman because who

556
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 7: could abandon her child? And then you come on and

557
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 7: you're just like, you love her and she's kind and

558
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 7: even though you still have a hard time understanding how

559
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 7: she could just pick up and leave her son and

560
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 7: by the way, take his home because.

561
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 6: You left the rail huge problem with that.

562
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they did.

563
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: What did I do?

564
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 4: I took his home.

565
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: You took the trailer.

566
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 7: You left in the trailer the family lived in, so

567
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 7: he didn't have a space to live. No when you left,

568
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 7: when you left it, there was no trailer. And then

569
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 7: and then Blake. So yeah, you you left your family

570
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 7: and then your husband homeless.

571
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: You guys, that's a nightmare.

572
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: Well it's funny because it actually isn't really addressed. I mean,

573
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: they they sort of they sort of do this sleight

574
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: of hand where you show up in that hotel room

575
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: scene with Corey and you are so sympathetic because you

576
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: you you sort of emanate a sadness and a like

577
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: and and a fragility that is like, oh this poor woman.

578
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: But in reality, like they don't really ever address the

579
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: fact that you you did a pretty awful thing, and

580
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: that's what Will couldn't get over. Will was kind of

581
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: like this, Yeah, it's again, it's it's a tricky thing,

582
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: you know. I think they kind of had backed themselves

583
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: into this backstory and then they wanted to, you know,

584
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: entered use your character, and they kind of had to

585
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: ignore that in order for you to stay to remain likable,

586
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: which you are likeable completely. It's a little bit of

587
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: a yeah.

588
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 4: But I have to say though, that I wonder what

589
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: the intention was for Sean, meaning that Sean would end

590
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: up being this young man who I guess would be

591
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: well wanting to connect a lot to other people, especially

592
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: perhaps h Cory because he doesn't have a tight family

593
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: of his own. I guess that would have been the intention. Maybe, Yeah,

594
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 4: that would have been the result is that it might

595
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: have created a young boy, you know, a young man

596
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: who needs contact, needs inclusion.

597
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean one of the biggest themes of the

598
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: show that you know, it's explicitly stated in one episode,

599
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: but then it's it is an overriding thing, is that

600
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: you don't have to be blood to be family, and

601
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: that you know, it plays out in Shawn's overall storyline

602
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: that he essentially needs Corey to panga the Matthews family

603
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: to compensate for what he's not getting at home.

604
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 5: But there's also something interesting that I'm just thinking about

605
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 5: now as we're discussing this where Sean has a much

606
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 5: easier time connecting with men and boys than he does

607
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 5: with girls or women. Like even Topanga, they have, you know,

608
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 5: kind of an ongoing problem. They go, they fight against

609
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 5: each other a little bit. The girlfriends. We don't get

610
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 5: a steady girlfriend until Angela. So there really is Yeah,

611
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 5: he's got yeah, he's got a it seems like he's

612
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 5: got a trust.

613
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 6: Yeah when he comes to women. I mean, he definitely does.

614
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 4: When you have abandoned man issues.

615
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, sure.

616
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 5: And I'm curious when you came into audition for the role,

617
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 5: were you given any of the backstory that they had

618
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 5: set up originally for the character or No.

619
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: Again, I don't fully remember, but I do remember knowing

620
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 4: that this was his long lost mom who had gone

621
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: away and left the family, and that there was some

622
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: kind of dark past and that she's returned. Okay, and

623
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: that's it, and just that through. You know, I didn't

624
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 4: know the entire arc because I only probably had the

625
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: one episode when I auditioned. They hadn't created either a

626
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 4: victim in Vernon nor a kind of hard mean woman either.

627
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 4: She's kind of had her reasons. I mean again, they

628
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: wrote an interesting character.

629
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: She's complex.

630
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 7: Can you talk a little bit about what it was

631
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 7: like working with Rusty and Betsy in the Turkey Day episode.

632
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 7: We were talking about how that it was never it's

633
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 7: never mentioned that, you know for a while when Shawn

634
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 7: before he went to live with mister Turner, he lived

635
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 7: with the Matthews, and then we do this Turkey Day

636
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 7: episode where the families are spending time together, and similarly

637
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 7: to the way they kind of had to ignore that

638
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 7: you had abandoned your son and stole his home, the

639
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 7: other characters also kind of had to ignore the idea

640
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 7: that we're just going to go to this woman's house

641
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 7: for Thanksgiving, even though we almost had to adopt her son.

642
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: So what was that like for you working with Rusty

643
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: and Betsy?

644
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: You know you guys Again, I think I learned more

645
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: about the episode that I participated in by watching it

646
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: again than maybe by being in it. Sure, because again,

647
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 4: when you're a guest, you mostly focus on your scenes,

648
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: and I will I have a very vivid memory of

649
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 4: the entire Thanksgiving scene in the trailer because it was

650
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 4: so funny to me and Blake was funny. The whole

651
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: idea of me serving the cheese and wanting to make

652
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 4: the same green out of the wine and how completely

653
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 4: sort of you know, Verna was a bit guileless, you know,

654
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 4: she didn't really know any better. And there's this heartbreaking

655
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: moment when Betsy hands me that beautiful casserole dish and

656
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: I noticed in my own work. I was like, oh, wow,

657
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: look at me. I just sort of touched the dish.

658
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: I mean, it makes me want to cry now, you know.

659
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 4: She She's like, oh, the realization that you know, and

660
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: that and that's what the episode was about, and it

661
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: was so beautifully handled, this idea of disparity, you know,

662
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 4: income disparity or income inequity, and it's being handled right

663
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: there in their lives, like oh, and then it was

664
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: fascinating too, this what happened with these guys, you know

665
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: in the trailer park who were a little bit like,

666
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: who is this family coming here from the other side

667
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: of town and you know they're going to make fun

668
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: of us? And how beautifully kind of there was a

669
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: resolution at the end, but my memory of that, first

670
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: of all, all you guys, all of you are terrific comedians,

671
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: terrific actors, and you know they were no exception. You

672
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: know these are you guys were consummate even at a

673
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: young age. It is not easy to pull off that

674
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 4: kind of comedy and week after week after week, and

675
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 4: so yeah, they're terrific actors. And again I was like

676
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: an innocent with I was surrounded by comedy sharks. You know,

677
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 4: I just we're gonna get singing me. You know, I

678
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 4: really had a rough time keeping it together. I was

679
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: having too much fun. I know you the way around.

680
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 7: You made the joke that the reason we don't see

681
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 7: Verna again is because you couldn't keep it together.

682
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: But did you know then that Turkey Day was going

683
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: to be your last episode?

684
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 7: We were shocked when when that episode came around and

685
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 7: I read this is Sharene's last episode, we were all shocked.

686
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 7: Wright or fully remembered there be more.

687
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: Of course he got to do with you. He was like,

688
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: there's no way that's the end. Did you know that

689
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: this was going to be your last episode?

690
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 9: Yeah?

691
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was from the original booking. I was booked

692
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: for a three episode or wow, that was that was

693
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: the book. I mean, of course, you know, every actor

694
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: is like, oh my god, it would be so fun

695
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: if I could go back, or oh my god, it'd

696
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 4: be great if they decided to write her in or

697
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 4: you know, maybe he'll need kind of stay in touch

698
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: with his mom. And I'm not sure it was fully

699
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 4: ever explained, Like do you guys know what happened to?

700
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: No closure would have been nice.

701
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna we do find out, you know, the

702
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, spoiler alert that you are not my biological

703
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: mom that ends up becoming revealed, that.

704
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 7: Is revealed in season seven that you're not actually his

705
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 7: biological mother, right, And we haven't gotten to those episodes yet,

706
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 7: so we did not remember that. Like that was completely

707
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 7: a shock to us, but about two hundred people emailed

708
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 7: it to us.

709
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 5: Do we does do any does anybody here remember if

710
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 5: we find out who is biological mommy?

711
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 6: Does chet even know who is? I mean he mustn't, right,

712
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 6: It's not like a guy.

713
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 5: It's like, you know who the mom is, so it's

714
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: I mean, you got it, but it's never mentioned, right,

715
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 5: It's just like she's not your biological mom, but we're

716
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 5: not gonna talk about who.

717
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 6: And it's not Jack's mom, I guess.

718
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean I know that what Blake has to come

719
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: back for. Obviously he comes back and dies, right, But

720
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: I feel like he must have come back for another

721
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: episode in between there, and at some point, isn't it

722
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: explained like where Sean is living what.

723
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 5: I think he comes back for a lot more because

724
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 5: there's a whole storyline with Jack two. I mean, I

725
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 5: think there's I think you guys do a few episodes

726
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 5: ago and then he does a couple as a ghost.

727
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: Right, I mean it's like it comes back as a

728
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: good Yeah, but there's there's I'm pretty sure that we

729
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: introduced Jack without Blake coming back, right, and then Blake

730
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: comes back for the episode where he dies. It's called

731
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: like we'll have a good time then, Like it's just

732
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: it's just one really, I think so, because the whole

733
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: point of that episode is that like he and I

734
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: come to terms, like we we kind of like find

735
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: a new relationship now that he's back in town after

736
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: being away, and then he dies of a heart attack.

737
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: It's it's a tragic episode's weirdly dramatic.

738
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: Scharene, so much happened after you left.

739
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 4: Us, and clearly Chet was kind of, you know, like

740
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 4: a wild man. I mean he obviously had a baby

741
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: with somebody else, and then maybe that's why Erna left him.

742
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 4: You know, just the kind of you.

743
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 6: Know, yeah, maybe she didn't know. Sean wasn't hers.

744
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: I gave birth to that baby.

745
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: For a couple of years of her life, she doesn't

746
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: quite remember.

747
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, Chen, do you do you? Did you start acting

748
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 5: at a young age? Did you did you start in

749
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 5: New York? How did you get into the industry.

750
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 4: I went to a very good college and my parents

751
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: wouldn't let me study acting, and so I was pre

752
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: met for three years.

753
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: Wow.

754
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 4: My dad had been the doctor, and I think I

755
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 4: thought I would okay, fine, if I can't be an actor,

756
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: I'll make dad happy. Of course, I went to work

757
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 4: at a hospital during a winter break and was literally,

758
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: you know, dizzy at every turn because I was so

759
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: overwhelmed by the amount of you know, pain in the hospital.

760
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 4: And I remember thinking like, this isn't kind of the

761
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 4: hospital I was expecting. I was expecting bright lights and

762
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: a white flat. You know. I was the acting version

763
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: of Ali. And once I graduated, I went and worked

764
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: in fashion, because which was my second love to acting,

765
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 4: was fashion. I was I went to Mademoiselle magazine. I

766
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 4: was in the fashion department, and then I got a

767
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 4: job at an American Vogue here in New York and

768
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: I was in the fashion department and I did that

769
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: for about three years, and then I became the national

770
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: scout for a top modeling agency called Elite. I was

771
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: twenty four years old. They sent me to Paris and

772
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 4: I ran around with all these supermodels. It was an

773
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 4: extraordinary time. But while I was there, my family hit

774
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 4: a really hard bump. A lot of really tough things

775
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 4: happened to my family, and my fiance had an affair

776
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 4: with the model from the agency, and I was not

777
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 4: only devastated by what was happening to my family, but

778
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 4: I was heartbroken for the first time in my life.

779
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 4: And I was living in Paris, away from my family

780
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: and especially from my younger sisters. So I came back

781
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 4: to New York and decided to live my own life.

782
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 4: And I took my first acting class with a wonderful

783
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: acting teacher named Warren Robertson in New York, and within

784
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: two years I booked a small independent film, and in

785
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 4: the third year, I became a member of the Actress

786
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 4: Studio after one audition, and I booked my first feature,

787
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: which was a feature with Steven Segall called Out for Justice.

788
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't see anybody seeing Richie.

789
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 5: Anybody know what Richie did Bobby Lupo, Oh yeah, chomping anything.

790
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 5: Of course, of course I know. But I could do

791
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: Out for Justice Backwards, sidewards and foremast.

792
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 4: That was my first big role. And it took me

793
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: out to LA And once I got to La, I

794
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: was like, it's January. It's freezing in New York. It's

795
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: gorgeous here, Like, why would I go back? So I

796
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: stayed and one of the agents. You know, at the time,

797
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 4: you could kind of be hip pocketed by a couple

798
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 4: of agents. So one had gotten me this role, but

799
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 4: another one had wanted to represent me, and so she

800
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: finds me through finding my mom and she says, have

801
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 4: you ever what are you doing? Are you working with

802
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 4: anybody out there? And I said no, and I said

803
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 4: I had just wrapped Out for Justice, And she said,

804
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 4: I want to send you up for this guest star

805
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 4: on Who's the Boss, because Who's the Boss was a

806
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 4: big show at the time, And went up for the

807
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 4: guest star and I booked it and it was was

808
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 4: called Tony in the Mafia Princess, and so it was

809
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: about Tony Danz's character has to domesticate the daughter of

810
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: a mafioso, and she is, you know, just kind of

811
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 4: a spoiled little girl. Basically, it's a great episode. It

812
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: was a guest star and so I do that. And

813
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: then Vicky Rosenberg, who was the casting director of that series,

814
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: said who's representing you out here? And she sent me

815
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 4: to another wonderful agent, Roe Diamond, And within about a

816
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 4: few months, Roe sent me up for American Heart, which

817
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: was a movie with Jeff Bridges and Jeff This was

818
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: based on a documentary. So answer short answer, No, I

819
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 4: was in my mid to late twenties when I really

820
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 4: started acting and got my first break. And this leads

821
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: me to just say to you, like I tell people

822
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: all the time, if there's a dream in your heart,

823
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 4: if there's some gift there that's being carried within you,

824
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: it's not an accident. It was placed there by something

825
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: bigger than you, and there will be a way made

826
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 4: for it if you address it, if you go to it.

827
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 4: And I have to say, I was really lucky because

828
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 4: I never believed in no, and I still don't. I

829
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: don't believe in the limitations that we often hear about.

830
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 4: Oh it's harder, you know, it's very hard if you're

831
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 4: too old, if you're to this, if you're too that.

832
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: I don't buy any I never bought any of it,

833
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 4: you know. I just believe that again, if if the

834
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 4: yearning is there, a way will be made if you

835
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: address it. So I was very positive about my career

836
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 4: all the way through. So I did. So. I did

837
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 4: American Heart, which is a beautiful movie if you've never

838
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: seen it. And then I did and then I and

839
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 4: then I booked. I went up for the Tony Danzis

840
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 4: series Huts History. I wasn't supposed to get it. In

841
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: the last minute, I go up to tests and I

842
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: booked this thing, twenty two episodes on air. It was,

843
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: I mean, really nothing, sort of America, but was my

844
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 4: first series audition. I never asked before. I know, it

845
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 4: was kind of the luck of the innocent. I've never

846
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 4: been into test before. So I woke into this room.

847
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: There was like thirty five ABC executives, and I was

848
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 4: just like, hi, I was just so happy. I was

849
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 4: completely delighted to be there. I just booked that. And

850
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 4: then after that was when Boy Meets World came along,

851
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: and a lot of other guest stars and recurring roles,

852
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: and that was at a time when a good working

853
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: actor could get a lot of guests and recurring roles.

854
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 4: And then, I don't know what you guys might remember.

855
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: What happened for me, just to bring you up to speed,

856
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: was in two thousand and one, there was a writer's strike.

857
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: Two thousand and one, just near the end of the

858
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 4: resolution of the writer's strike was an actor's strike, and

859
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: so all of us who were solid working actors go

860
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 4: out of work for like a year and a half.

861
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 4: And frankly, I wasn't prepared for it financially. I just

862
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: hadn't you know, your viewers might find it interesting. I

863
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 4: don't know. But when you were an actor, you know,

864
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 4: in you're earning, you have you come off of a

865
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: long period of not earning, so you begin to earn

866
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: and suddenly you're paying down debts and you're you know,

867
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 4: you're living. You try to live a little better than

868
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 4: you have, and you know, maybe you let yourself enjoy

869
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 4: life a bit more than you did, and suddenly you realize, oh,

870
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: it might be another minute before I work again. And

871
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 4: I just didn't have that savvy you know, to kind

872
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: of figure out like, oh, wait a minute, you know,

873
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 4: I've just come off a series. Let me save this

874
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 4: portion or invest that portion, you know. I just didn't know.

875
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: And so a year and a half go by, and

876
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: I'm going through my savings, and by two thousand and two,

877
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: two thousand and three, I was in a panic. And

878
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 4: I also don't know if you guys remember, but that

879
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: was the beginning of reality programming.

880
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, killed the industry.

881
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: Did and it made it a lot harder change the industry.

882
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: It did change it, and not necessarily for the first

883
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 4: for the worst, or it was harder, but then it

884
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 4: became easier because a lot of other platforms developed for

885
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: us all to work on and creative. But by two

886
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 4: thousand and three, I was like and I spent a

887
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: year auditioning. I was put on a veil fourteen times,

888
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 4: oh my, and I was losing the parts to name

889
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: actresses who were bigger than me, who had been waiting

890
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 4: that same period of time for a job. And so

891
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 4: I began to panic, and I began to seek out

892
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: alternate ways to make a living. I also became very

893
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 4: humble about finding alternate ways to make a living. You know,

894
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 4: it's so important, and I didn't know this then. To

895
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: keep working and to keep serving other people in any

896
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: way that you can, so that you're not just earning

897
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: and having a second income source, but that you are

898
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 4: engaged in a meaningful way with other people, be they

899
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: creatives or non you know, and thankful. It took me

900
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 4: a really tough year of babysitting and just barely getting

901
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: by to stumble upon an idea, which was to take

902
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: used clothing and rework those pieces of clothing into fashion.

903
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 7: You were upcycling before upcycling was a buzzy word like

904
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 7: it is right now.

905
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: I was a big part of that trend of upcycling,

906
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: or you know Zach cool reworking. And I started out

907
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: in a fleeting market, in a little ten by ten

908
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 4: booth in a in a parking lot, And in the

909
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 4: third month of my booth, I got offered a warehouse

910
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: to build a store in. In the second month of

911
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 4: that warehouse, the New York Times wrote about it.

912
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: This is a Fairfax trading post you were at, right.

913
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: I was at Fairfax, And because it was Fairfax in

914
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 4: West Hollywood. Here I have humbled in a way I've

915
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: become humble. I've I'll be honest. I spent a year

916
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: babysitting at I cried every day what had happened to

917
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 4: my life? All I knew was I had to start

918
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 4: earning money, and I had to stop using credit cards

919
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 4: to get by, and I had to stop waiting for

920
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 4: residual checks. I had to get to work, which really

921
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 4: means get engaged with other humans and find a way

922
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: to serve them. And what I stumbled upon was I

923
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 4: had a talent for dressing women and a talent for

924
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: style because I had had a background in it. Sure,

925
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: so here I go to the trading post. But my

926
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 4: eyes when I go to these vintage stores, I mean

927
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: to these thrift shops is for fashion. I'm like, well,

928
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 4: Mark Jacobs is doing nineteen fifty and Louis Vuitton is

929
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 4: doing nineteen sixty. And I could see that because I

930
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 4: had the background. And so all the coolest girls in

931
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 4: Hollywood are walking into my booth going like what are

932
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 4: you doing? Like what is this? And I attracted this

933
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: really cool group of celebrity young celebrities. They were all

934
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: just about to break through into celebrity status. I'm being

935
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: without tossing out names, really like the coolest it girls

936
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 4: became my clients. I ended up with this warehouse store.

937
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 4: I ended up getting covered by the press. But like crazy,

938
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: I ended up working, you know, trend forecasting for all

939
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 4: these huge designers, because girls who wear vintage clothing are

940
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 4: always on the fringe. They're always the girl who wants

941
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 4: to look different than everyone else. Fashion is created by

942
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: from the ground up. Fashion is created by the people

943
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 4: who really don't have the money to go into the stores.

944
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: Once it's in the stores, it's on trend, it's already

945
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: everybody wants to know what's coming. It's going to be

946
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: that girl who's got the courage to look like nobody

947
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 4: else and buy something in a thrift store and make

948
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 4: it cool. And so those are my girls, and so

949
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 4: everybody wanted to study them. And I did this for

950
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 4: about twelve years, and it began to morph into another

951
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: form of making clothes, and I began to make wedding dresses.

952
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's an amazing story, and I will tell

953
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: you that now. I came back to New York in

954
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. I went back to the Actors Studio. I

955
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 4: began writing that story because this is a story of

956
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: humility and transformation and purpose. I'm sorry, it makes me

957
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: very emotional. Great because I learned when I stopped acting

958
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 4: in that period because I couldn't get the work that

959
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 4: I had growth to be done. I had growth to do,

960
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 4: and that that would teach me what my purpose was,

961
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: which was really to speak into the hearts of especially

962
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: young women, and to encourage them to have a sense

963
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 4: of self esteem and to have a sense of compassion

964
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: for the self esteem and a commitment to their individuality.

965
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 4: And this was the beginning of many designers designing and

966
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 4: merchandising for authenticity, and it was the beginning of this

967
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 4: trend of like, you don't need to be like it,

968
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: you aren't like anyone else, and so claim your authenticity,

969
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: which is a tremendous, really gift right to a human

970
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: being to go like, oh, the coolest thing about me

971
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 4: is me, you know it said, I get to be

972
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 4: entirely authentically me. And that was a big part of

973
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 4: my messaging as I worked with every little girl who

974
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 4: was and they were all mostly very young girls who

975
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: came to me for their prom, their first prom dress

976
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 4: or their first important dress, their butt mitzvah dress, their

977
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 4: prom dress, whatever, and I'm yeah, and I look at

978
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 4: them and go like, oh, you listen to me, you

979
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 4: are such a beauty here, let's choose you something cool.

980
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 4: And I moved into the space of like really loving

981
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 4: and supporting them, and they changed my life. So I

982
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, I come back to New York and

983
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: I begin writing about this. And in twenty twenty, it

984
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 4: was before COVID or after. It was just after COVID

985
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: I the plague was ready. It was called Who Are You?

986
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: It had six songs about girls and their moms and

987
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 4: me and about really a form of faith, like what

988
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 4: happens when you give your life over to something bigger,

989
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 4: higher than you, and what will that thing do with you?

990
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 4: It'll make your life a lot bigger than any life

991
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 4: you can make for yourself. And I wrote this story

992
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: and the first producers who heard it are developing it

993
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: now for a big musical.

994
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's great, congratulation.

995
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: It's extraordinary and it's moving because well, I don't know,

996
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 4: I guess it's kind of full circle. But Who Are

997
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 4: You is now being developed into, you know, a musical

998
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: with sixteen songs instead of six and I'm you know,

999
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 4: I'm working on it. I literally you're meeting me at

1000
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: a very interesting moment, and I'm going to say this

1001
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 4: for you guys. You know, this business can discard you

1002
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 4: at different intervals of time, and I'm starting to realize

1003
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 4: that there is a gifting in it if you don't

1004
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 4: experience it, experience it as a rejection, but instead as

1005
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 4: an opportunity to look inward and figure out how you're

1006
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 4: changing and where your voice, what it is that you

1007
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: actually are starting to learn about life and how you're

1008
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: going to use that in your art, which is different

1009
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 4: than just being an actor. It's like, what are you

1010
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 4: here to say and do and give to this world?

1011
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 4: And when you've been given a unique opportunity, as you

1012
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 4: guys have been and I have in my own way,

1013
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 4: to address a larger audience, it becomes it is incumbent

1014
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 4: upon you to refine your voice, your messaging. What are

1015
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 4: you saying? Because people are listening to you, and they care,

1016
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 4: they and they value you, you know. And so I

1017
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 4: see now that in those ten years that I left

1018
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 4: the business, and I did leave it, I was refining

1019
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 4: another another understanding about life that I was going to

1020
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 4: then come back now years later. When many actors would

1021
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 4: feel that their value has diminished, I instead know that

1022
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 4: my value has actually increased. There I believe our society,

1023
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 4: there's almost a conspiracy against aging and against people who

1024
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 4: are artists who are aging or let's say seasoning or

1025
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, marinating in life. I think that we

1026
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: become more powerful and more valuable. I know that what

1027
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 4: actually has happened is you become more potent, just as

1028
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 4: society or the industry might want to inhibit you. And

1029
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I'm here to tell you fight that

1030
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 4: urge and fight buying it. Don't believe it. You are

1031
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 4: arriving into this new period in your lives where you

1032
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 4: will produce, You're going to write, you're going to develop projects,

1033
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 4: and it's really critical that you maintain a sense of

1034
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 4: commitment to what you know, you carry, you know, and

1035
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 4: so yeah, here at this moment, you know, I've just

1036
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: written an adaptation of a one act play into a screenplay.

1037
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 4: We just shot it and it's beautiful. It's called a

1038
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 4: Tantalizing and it's a base on a William Master simone

1039
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 4: one act and I'm starring opposite John Cullum, who's a

1040
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 4: two time Tony winner and a five time Tony nominee

1041
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 4: and an Emmy nominee. And he's he's celebrated his ninety

1042
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 4: fourth verse birthday before we round stunning, stunning work. And

1043
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 4: I'm working on the musical which I can't tell you

1044
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 4: the new title, but it was called who Are You?

1045
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: And you know, again, my nature tells me who I

1046
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 4: am and tells me that I have no doubt that

1047
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 4: it'll occur because it's part of something bigger. It's a

1048
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 4: part of a bigger message that will have value and

1049
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 4: go forward. So I'm working on that. And I've written

1050
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 4: a play, an eight character play about financial inequality and

1051
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 4: what is fair? Is it fair for some people to

1052
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 4: have so much when so many people are suffering and

1053
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 4: have so little? And I say, it isn't It's not fair,

1054
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 4: you know, and the system isn't set up fairly, and

1055
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 4: that's something i have a lot of compassion for and

1056
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 4: I'm committed to articulating those messages. And it happens to

1057
00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 4: be a comedy, so that's good. You know, a bunch

1058
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: of really like greedy people and how desperately they all

1059
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 4: want to find fairness, you know. So that's what I'm

1060
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 4: doing and that's what I'm up to, and it's also

1061
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 4: what I believe, and I want to encourage you guys

1062
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 4: to to own in your own careers, because you clearly

1063
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 4: came into this business to deliver something really important that

1064
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 4: impacted a lot of young people. And I'm pointing to

1065
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 4: that room because I still see bridal clients and much

1066
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 4: less than I used to because I am busier with

1067
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 4: creative ventures now. But these young women, especially those in

1068
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 4: their late twenties and thirties, when I tell them that

1069
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 4: I was sure, girls run out of the room screaming

1070
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: like like they it's almost like something that they didn't

1071
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 4: know has come to life before them, right, yes, because

1072
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 4: they it's because they loved you guys so much, and

1073
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,240
Speaker 4: they loved Boy Meete's World so much.

1074
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for sharing all of that with us.

1075
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 7: I stories, I really enjoyed doing my research on you

1076
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 7: last night and learning about I'm a vintage clothing fanatic

1077
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 7: and so learning about you and just doing some research

1078
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 7: on that.

1079
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you were a pioneer.

1080
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 7: You are a pioneer, and so thank you for sharing

1081
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 7: all of that with us. Finally, looking back now, it's

1082
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 7: been almost thirty years since you made your appearance on

1083
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 7: Boy Meets World. If you could look, if you could

1084
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 7: give a message to that Charene that Charene we met

1085
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Speaker 7: on Boy Meets World.

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Speaker 2: What would your message to her be, Well, it's.

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Speaker 4: A big part of what's in the play the musical

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00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 4: is that message. And it took me so many years

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Speaker 4: to learn it. But I you know, I speak to

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00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 4: men and women, to all people. But I really couldn't

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Speaker 4: see myself then. I didn't know the value of my presence.

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00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 4: My shyness was really fear of connecting, of connection. I

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00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 4: didn't know that when people would meet me that they

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00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 4: would actually want to keep knowing me. I just assume

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Speaker 4: that it was, you know, because I had done the job,

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Speaker 4: that they were all being nice to me, instead of thinking, no,

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Speaker 4: they care about me because I care about them. My

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00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 4: message to her then would be tell everyone the truth.

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Speaker 4: Give up your addictions. I was still an addiction at

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Speaker 4: that time. I was struggling with a few things. And

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Speaker 4: you know, addiction is tricky because it can be invisible

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Speaker 4: to others. But if you suffer with addiction, it is

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Speaker 4: inhibiting your sense of purpose. It is when you surrender

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Speaker 4: your addictions, you move into the truth. And I wasn't

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Speaker 4: yet living in the truth then because I was afraid

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Speaker 4: to ask for help. And so again you know nineteen

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 4: ninety six. Yeah, I wasn't yet entirely free. So that's

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Speaker 4: part of my message too, is tell people the truth

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Speaker 4: about everything. Tell everyone the truth. Human beings, we are

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Speaker 4: wired to understand one another in the truth we are.

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Speaker 4: We actually are wired to be compassionate and people will

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Speaker 4: help you if you tell them what you're struggling with.

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Speaker 4: And so I would say that I didn't know that

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Speaker 4: I was beautiful. I'd say today I'm an attractive woman,

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Speaker 4: But then I was a beautiful young woman, and I

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Speaker 4: didn't know. I felt insecure, I felt not good enough.

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Speaker 4: I felt that my value was based on my business

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Speaker 4: appear I remember one day walking across a lot and

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Speaker 4: some guys whistled at me, and I thought, Sharen, how

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Speaker 4: many years is it going to take you to find freedom,

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Speaker 4: you know, in your physical self? And honestly, I never

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Speaker 4: really came to it until I gave up needing to

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Speaker 4: have and I gave that. I began serving three young women.

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Speaker 4: I began working with women, and I thought. I used

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Speaker 4: to drive to my vintage store every day and say,

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Speaker 4: I surrender my face because I know that nobody cared

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Speaker 4: what I look like, and nobody cares what we look

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Speaker 4: like also, you know, giving up a notion about my future.

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Speaker 4: I was so desperately attached to being an actress that

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Speaker 4: I couldn't see how many gifts I had that I

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01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 4: could draw from, and that maybe I would go down

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Speaker 4: other parts of the river, you know, into other little

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Speaker 4: tributaries of my gifting and then come back, you know,

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Speaker 4: into a richer But I couldn't see that. So I

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Speaker 4: was holding on some tight gender that I had, not

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Speaker 4: realizing that there was a latent talent, which was this

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Speaker 4: talent for design and styling that would bring me back

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Speaker 4: with even greater hits. But you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Life is perfect, you guys. It's painful and it's perfect,

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Speaker 4: and it's heartbreaking and it's joyful and you just got

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Speaker 4: to stay in it and tell people the truth, ask

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Speaker 4: everyone for what you need, Like, tell people, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm working on this thing and I don't know who

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Speaker 4: to talk to you, and I'm wondering how to do this.

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to do that. Then my community

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01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 4: got smaller and smaller and smaller till I was completely isolated,

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Speaker 4: going broke. But even going through that, now I see

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Speaker 4: it was perfect for me going into the darkness, coming

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Speaker 4: back out again as a whole person, as a healed

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Speaker 4: person who was free of addiction. You know.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, what a story.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much for sharing, and thank you for

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Speaker 7: spending your time with us here today and telling us

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Speaker 7: all about the wonderful things you're working on now. And

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Speaker 7: what a fascinating, interesting, beautiful life.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: And I want to tell you also thank you for

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Speaker 4: having me on and thank you for that you're doing this,

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Speaker 4: not you know, for me, but I mean for the

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Speaker 4: people that are hearing you. I think, bringing people back

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Speaker 4: and talking about your experience again, You're sharing the value

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Speaker 4: of your own lives. People want it, you know, they

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Speaker 4: they need to know from you. So I hope that

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Speaker 4: you all can doing other projects and keep expressing yourselves

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Speaker 4: the way that you are so generously.

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Speaker 2: So thank you. I appreciate you so much. So great

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Speaker 2: to see you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Good luck with all of your projects.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: What a story, what a life, My.

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Speaker 5: Gosh, I want I wanted to ask her something, but

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Speaker 5: it was I was so rived.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to ask her who.

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Speaker 5: She thought was the better actor, Jeff Bridges or Steven Seagall.

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Speaker 1: But Yeah, that's a tough debate, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: Seriously.

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Speaker 5: I didn't want to go for the joke because I

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01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 5: was so rivetted by what she was saying.

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Speaker 6: I was like, this is not a time to joke.

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Speaker 5: But everyone knows Steven Sagall is the better the two actors.

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Speaker 7: It's so interesting, like her, her incredible life. It reminds me.

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Speaker 7: I've talked about it before when we've done Q and

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Speaker 7: as and people say like, what's your advice to somebody

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Speaker 7: who wants to get into acting? And I always feel

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Speaker 7: like a buzzkill saying, know what your plan B is

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Speaker 7: because I don't necessary. I don't mean because you're probably

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Speaker 7: gonna end up having to do it.

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Speaker 2: But like, I didn't truly feel.

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Speaker 7: Free to be creative until I knew if it doesn't,

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Speaker 7: if somebody isn't going to give me a chance, if

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to make it in acting, I have

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Speaker 7: something else I love just as much I have something else.

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Speaker 7: And for her, you know, she was holding onto it

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Speaker 7: so tightly. I need to be an actor. I need

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Speaker 7: to be an actor. I need to be an actor.

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Speaker 7: She was going broke, and then she said, wait a minute,

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Speaker 7: I have this fashion background, and she pursued this whole

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Speaker 7: other part of her life that exactly like she said,

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Speaker 7: ended up giving her so much more value in then

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Speaker 7: the entertainment industry because she had that life experience. So

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Speaker 7: it's just, you know, like she said, life is perfect

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Speaker 7: the way it works out, even when you think it's

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Speaker 7: a disaster and you're falling back on your Plan B. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's just it's so great. How if you just let

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Speaker 7: it unfold?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the key is, like, you know, the

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Speaker 1: problem with acting or the challenge. The biggest challenge of

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Speaker 1: acting is that so much of it is out of

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Speaker 1: your control and you're constantly you know, being rejected. You're

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Speaker 1: constantly not getting parts. So that's part of the job, right.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you're swinging and missing more often

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Speaker 1: than you're actually hitting. But that's okay. But the problem

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Speaker 1: is you start to feel like that's not okay, that

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Speaker 1: you're being pushed out of the industry, that you're being

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Speaker 1: told well, you're not really talented, you're not actually you

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: don't belong here y. And so I think having a

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Speaker 1: Plan B is exactly right. But it's not even that

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Speaker 1: it needs to be a career. It just needs to

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Speaker 1: be a passion or a sense of self. It doesn't

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01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: is not tether to the your status within the industry,

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01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: because your status within the industry is a nightmare. And

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Speaker 1: if you if you're looking to that to give you

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Speaker 1: a sense of self, you're never going to be satisfied.

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Speaker 1: You're never going to be happy, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: think it took me way too long to realize that.

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Speaker 6: You know, well, it's also when you're younger, an actor

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Speaker 6: is what you are. When you're older, an actor is

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Speaker 6: what you do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and those are two completely different things. I'm an

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Speaker 5: actor and that it's what I do. It's no longer

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Speaker 5: who I am. But when you're when you're seventeen, eighteen

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Speaker 5: years old, it's who you are.

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Speaker 3: I'm an actor right now.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, you want to be categorized,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially in high school age, Like that's what

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01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: you want, right It's like a sense of identity and like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is this is I found who I am. And

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Speaker 1: the truth is, you found what you're going to do,

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Speaker 1: maybe for the next couple of years, maybe for the

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Speaker 1: rest of your life. But yeah, yeah, I gotta I

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01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,479
Speaker 1: gotta remember that to like encourage INDI you know, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's a tendency as a parent and

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01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: as a friend, as anybody to look at somebody be like,

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01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: you're this type of person, and you just it's so

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01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: much better to be like, you're you're having fun doing that,

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Speaker 1: You're doing this really well, keep doing that maybe for

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01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: a while, but it's not gonna be like, it's not

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01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: your identity, it's your occupation.

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Speaker 5: That's it, and that's the need to passions, right, that's

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Speaker 5: do it.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, well, thank you all for joining us for

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Speaker 7: this episode of Podmeets World. As always, you can follow

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Speaker 5: Danielle Fischel, Wilfredell and Ryder Strong.

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