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Speaker 1: Here we go. Susan Sluster are joining us right now

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Speaker 1: and you can check her out on the brand new

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Speaker 1: contributor there fp Santangelo hosting great show and of course

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Speaker 1: checking out all of Susan Slusser's articles as well, including

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Speaker 1: many in the San Francisco Chronicle about what the Giants

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Speaker 1: are up to this offseason. Susan, great to see you,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, let's get right to the good stuff. So

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Speaker 1: fans have been asking all day, actually giants, questions about

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Speaker 1: what's next and are they really involved on the second

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Speaker 1: base market. Are you about to make everyone in that

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Speaker 1: crowd very happy or a little disappointed?

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Speaker 2: Sorr, I got very angry Kat right now, who wants

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Speaker 2: to get fed? You know what, this could be the

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Speaker 2: shortest segment you guys have ever had because the Giants

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Speaker 2: just like they seem like they're doing almost nothing. You know, yes,

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Speaker 2: they've filled out their rotation sort of at the with

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Speaker 2: back end guys, but it's been underwhelming and all the

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Speaker 2: signaling from ownership has been that they are not going

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Speaker 2: to spend a time, They're not going to do long

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Speaker 2: term deals. I'm a little baffled because, yes, the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: are the power, not just in the division but in baseball.

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Speaker 2: They're looking up in the division for sure, but they

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Speaker 2: missed the playoffs by two games last year. All you

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Speaker 2: have to do is make the playoffs. The Giants dynasty

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Speaker 2: showed that they were never the best team those years.

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Speaker 2: They got some very clear needs and I feel like

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Speaker 2: they need to address them.

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Speaker 3: But doesn't Buster. If ownership says, Okay, we're not going

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Speaker 3: to go big on anybody, he isn't Buster's MO. And

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Speaker 3: I guess he's not been a GM for this long

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Speaker 3: to have a GMMO. But just the way he played,

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Speaker 3: the way he's talked since he's been a GM, doesn't

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Speaker 3: that just mean he's going to go after one of

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Speaker 3: these trades? Or is there something that ownership says, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: we don't want to risk the future of our organization.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't know how you that line

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Speaker 2: as sort of a new GM. But he's Buster Posey.

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Speaker 2: You know, he comes with his own cachet. He's a

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Speaker 2: franchise icon, and he's a part owner, you know, very

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Speaker 2: small percentage, but he's in that ownership group. They obviously

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Speaker 2: do listen to him, and he has said repeatedly when

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Speaker 2: he goes to them with an idea, they have been

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Speaker 2: very supportive. So I'm not sure what to make of that. Right,

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Speaker 2: he knows their needs. First of all, they need another outfielder.

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Speaker 2: They need a very strong defensive outfielder at the least,

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Speaker 2: but with their offense being mediocre at best most of

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Speaker 2: last season, they need a really good defensive outfielder who

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Speaker 2: can also hit. A Cody Bellinger type or you know,

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Speaker 2: at least Harrison Vader, someone like that. We have seen

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Speaker 2: really no indications. They may calls on a lot of

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Speaker 2: guys early on, but we just haven't seen any major action.

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Speaker 2: But he's buster posey, and we do know he likes

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Speaker 2: to take big swings. The Devers deal, hiring Tony Vaitello

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Speaker 2: out of the college ranks, I mean, these things are

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Speaker 2: really huge decisions, and he did talk ownership into both

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Speaker 2: of them. I think he needs to try to talk

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Speaker 2: ownership into adding probably another starting pitcher, but certainly a

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Speaker 2: good bat who can play in the outfield, because their

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Speaker 2: outfield defense was the worst in the league last year

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Speaker 2: and their offense was just not enough to compete with.

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Speaker 4: Okay, before I get to My follow up question I

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Speaker 4: want to know this is that because Buster Posey doesn't

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Speaker 4: want to spend money, because surely he wants to spend money,

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Speaker 4: and he knows that better players and more money makes

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Speaker 4: you a better team. So does he not have the

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Speaker 4: cachet with the ownership group and I know he's Buster

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Speaker 4: Posey and I know all that stuff where he can

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Speaker 4: go to them and say, hey, we need another twenty

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Speaker 4: five million to add a outfield or a starting pitcher

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Speaker 4: or a bullpen or whatever they might need or a

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Speaker 4: second baseman, where his owner just like nope, because they

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Speaker 4: sell out San Francisco and they're decent. That place is rocking,

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Speaker 4: they have the you know, all the stuff going on

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Speaker 4: around it. So what is why is that not happening

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Speaker 4: where they can go and say, hey, I need twenty

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Speaker 4: five more million guys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he seems convinced that when he wants to

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Speaker 2: spend big they will let him. We just aren't seeing it.

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Speaker 2: So again, there's just sort of a disconnect between what

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Speaker 2: we're seeing happening slash not happening at all. Really, maybe

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Speaker 2: they're waiting to pick up some deals closer towards spring training.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's necessarily going to happen, but

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Speaker 2: you know, early on the Athletic reported that they would

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Speaker 2: not be in am I Giants fans were outraged, but

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Speaker 2: as it turned out, they could have afforded am I

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Speaker 2: if they wanted. You know, absolutely they could. They could

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Speaker 2: have been in on you know, maybe not Tucker, but

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Speaker 2: certainly they could be in on Cody Bellinger. Greg Johnson

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Speaker 2: told me at the very Star to the off season,

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Speaker 2: right after Vitello was hired, actually that the team doesn't

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Speaker 2: want those big contracts. They've got five right now. They

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Speaker 2: don't want a ton on the books, particularly starting pitching.

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Speaker 2: But he also said they're not afraid to go over

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Speaker 2: the luxury attacks, which they've done before. But last year

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Speaker 2: their payroll was down and again they just missed the postseason.

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Speaker 2: So you know, look a lot of reasons for that.

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Speaker 2: I thought that Posey's moves at the time, at the

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Speaker 2: deadline and moving essentially the back into the rotation with

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Speaker 2: Camilla de Wall and Tyler Rodgers, I thought that was

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Speaker 2: the right thing to do. As it turned out, the

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Speaker 2: bullpen just wasn't enough down the stretch. With Randy Rodriguez

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Speaker 2: getting hurt and they just missed out. So add you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes your windows you've got these five guys, your windows

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Speaker 2: can be short. You got to strike even if the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers are in your division. So it's going to be

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Speaker 2: interesting to see this next four weeks or so. I

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Speaker 2: think they still have to do something more and in

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Speaker 2: part to get the fans excited again. Their attendance was

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Speaker 2: way up last year. Take advantage of that great.

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Speaker 4: So why don't they just follow what the Dodgers doing,

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Speaker 4: do high av short term deals.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It seems like a win to me. Give opt outs

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Speaker 4: like they do a Chapman and man, it's weird he

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but.

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Speaker 2: That's a nice deal with Snell two years ago.

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Speaker 4: You know, just just a thought if you had, if

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Speaker 4: you had to pick one thing that they need, would

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Speaker 4: it be an outfielder, Would it be a starting pitcher,

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Speaker 4: would it be a second baseman? If Buster Posey has

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Speaker 4: one bullet in his gun and he goes to ownership says,

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Speaker 4: I want to shoot this one bullet, which one would

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Speaker 4: help them the most?

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Speaker 2: For me outfield? Just because their outfield play was so

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Speaker 2: bad and that outfield is enormous, and you could fix

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Speaker 2: the offense at the same time. That's like a two

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Speaker 2: for if you get a really competent all around outfielder,

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Speaker 2: you could maybe if it's a center fielder fingers crossed,

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Speaker 2: you can move Jung who Lee over and I think

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Speaker 2: he'd be actually play really well in right. He's got

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Speaker 2: a decent arm. He's he just can't quite handle that.

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Speaker 2: That center field from what we saw on the metrics

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Speaker 3: Nice you were talking about the outfield defense and you

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Speaker 3: just brought up Jung Hu Lee. Wasn't he brought in

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Speaker 3: to be an elite defender?

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Speaker 1: Was he?

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Speaker 3: Isn't he being paid one hundred million dollars? Did that

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Speaker 3: shoulder injury that he sustained slamming into the wall or

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Speaker 3: jumping over the wall, like, did that hurt his elite

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Speaker 3: defense or was that a poor misread when they signed him?

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Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of things going on,

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Speaker 2: you know, running into the wall certainly didn't help but

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Speaker 2: after he came back from that shoulder surgery, he went

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Speaker 2: he plowed straight into the wall again right really early

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Speaker 2: on in the season. So I don't think there's necessarily fear.

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Speaker 2: He is a little tentative when it comes to being

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Speaker 2: the guy in sharp arch in center, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: not ideal in centerfield. That a lot of miscommunication, but

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Speaker 2: he also had a lot of different guys he was

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Speaker 2: playing with, particularly and right, the numbers at Oracle do

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Speaker 2: skew defensive metrics. There's no doubt about that. If we

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Speaker 2: he is a competent outfielder. I just think he might

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Speaker 2: play a little bit better and right if you get

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Speaker 2: a real, real top notch center fielder, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: you start to look like you have an okay defense.

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Speaker 2: Elliott Ramos took a step backward in left. He has

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Speaker 2: said that he had got some stuff kind of in

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Speaker 2: his head, maybe focused, you know, a little bit too

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Speaker 2: much on some wrong things, and he feels like he

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Speaker 2: will be better if that outfield is better. You know,

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Speaker 2: maybe there's your two wins right there, or.

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Speaker 3: Is it in the prospects the great prospects that's what

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Speaker 3: built That's what built the Giants team, and then they

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Speaker 3: supplemented it in ten, twelve, fourteen, sixteen, whenever Crawford and

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Speaker 3: Posey retired and Brandon Bell was already out of the game.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that how the Giants push themselves over? Are these

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Speaker 3: prospects ready? Is Bryce Eldrick going to be the guy

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Speaker 3: or are the Giants afraid to let him be the guy?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think the pitching might be a

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Speaker 2: little bit more of a sure thing. Guys. I think

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Speaker 2: bird Song will figure things out. I think wizen Hunt

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Speaker 2: is pretty close to being very much big league ready.

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Speaker 2: Bryce Eldridge is a you know, I think he will

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Speaker 2: flourish as a hitter. He doesn't really have a position.

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Speaker 2: He's learning first base. He's very driven. He said the

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Speaker 2: other day at their first fan fest that he wants

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Speaker 2: to be a Gold Glove winner. Great, he'll be working

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Speaker 2: with Ron Washington. He will definitely improve. But Rafael Devers

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Speaker 2: will be the first baseman the bulk of the time.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking about a twenty one year old. I

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Speaker 2: think he's very valuable as a trade ship. I don't

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Speaker 2: think anyone wants to see him moved but if the

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Speaker 2: Giants could get a big piece, especially somebody that has

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Speaker 2: some service time that's controllable, I think that they would

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Speaker 2: consider moving Bryce Eldridge. He might be most valuable, but

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Speaker 2: like that, but you know, it's also would be very,

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Speaker 2: very painful to lose a guy who's got forty plus

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Speaker 2: First of all, I want to see the tape of

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Speaker 4: You said it one time that he reminds you of me,

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Speaker 2: If he's up with a runner on third and he's

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Speaker 5: Susan big picture question for you.

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Speaker 1: I am old enough to remember when Dodger fans were

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, it's funny I get I get the

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Speaker 2: I think there's some residue from that, and they expect

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Speaker 3: Susan, can we go to your Hall of Fame bout

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Speaker 3: because I love that you put it out there. So

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Speaker 3: many people don't put it out there, so good for

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Speaker 2: Well, I used to not vote for any of the

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Speaker 2: And then for me it was when LaRussa cox Sea

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Speaker 2: well there's guys who are racists and you know, dolls

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. It is, there are so many spots

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Speaker 2: and I do think that's important. Absolutely, steroid use was

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Speaker 2: But there are plenty of steroid users who are in

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Speaker 2: Clements and yes, Manny and a Rod failed actual tests,

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Speaker 5: This.

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Speaker 2: Hall needs to be represented by the best players of

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Speaker 2: Annie Ramires is maybe the greatest right handed hitter I've

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are leaving these two guys out and

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Speaker 2: Bonds and Clemmens. This it's not a representative Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: It's just not for me. And I understand the flip side.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I have no problem with people who

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Speaker 2: like he's going to go in, and he was there

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Speaker 2: but not all of it.

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Speaker 4: Are you the morality police now, Susan? What changed about you?

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Speaker 4: I don't remember you being like this.

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Speaker 2: I'm the opposite.

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Speaker 5: I know, I'm just kidding. Listen, listen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you didn't vote for me, and I didn't do steroids, Susan,

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Speaker 4: So I'm disappointed, but.

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Speaker 5: Fair, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: But but I asked, I asked Ken the same question.

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Speaker 4: You know, Andy Pettitt admitted to doing pds. Everyone now

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Speaker 4: Barry Bonds, I played against Manny, I played against Air.

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Speaker 4: I played against all these guys on this ballot, right,

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Speaker 4: some that are in the Hall of Fame that have

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Speaker 5: Okay, But for me, the line is two thousand and five.

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Speaker 4: If you did them and you got suspended, you knew

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Speaker 4: what you were doing, you were cheating, you're out. If

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Speaker 4: anything before that, I can't say what you did because

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Okay, I don't know what everyone did.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who did this or did that or whatever.

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Speaker 4: That's not my place to do this to anybody, not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's certainly a fair take. I

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Speaker 2: this is really unreasonable. I see it. I have just

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Speaker 2: These were great players regard I you know, even this

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Speaker 2: and so was a Hall of Famer before they started

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Speaker 2: and he was. At that point, Peter was still playing

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Speaker 2: not okay. I don't think it's really okay. But I

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Speaker 2: think the Hall needs to represent the eras. That's where

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Speaker 2: I've come down.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so they should have a steroid era.

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Speaker 4: But are you okay with like Phil nicro who maybe

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Speaker 4: Gaylor for wearing your number last and getting it retired

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Speaker 5: Is that cheating? Right?

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Speaker 4: You mentioned Beltrom people, we'll call him a cheater because

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Speaker 4: Bay is probably going to go in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: He's going to be brought up as part of this.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, what do we do here? Because yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a weird it's a weird thing. Hall

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Speaker 4: I wish I had a vote, and then I could

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Speaker 5: So we're here to tell you how wrong you are

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Speaker 5: on certain things. Susan.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, that's totally fair that I mean, I really

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Speaker 2: no easy answer. There just isn't. There are strong arguments

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Speaker 2: to become very underrepresented in the Hall in general, and

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Speaker 2: two of the greatest players are not in and looked

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Speaker 2: like they might never be in with plaques. You know

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Speaker 2: there there is like you know there is. There's Barry

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Speaker 2: Bond's memorabilia in the Hall of Fame. There is Roger

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Speaker 2: Clemens memorabilia in the Hall of Fame. But these were

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Speaker 2: two of the greats. They should be in.

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Speaker 1: The whole process is tainted, but it's fun to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and we don't cover it a ton in general. But

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Speaker 1: this week, of course, is the time to do it.

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Speaker 1: Is we get the announcement coming up later today, Susan.

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Speaker 1: Awesome to catch up with you. We always appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Tell Sugar Ray, we say hello, and the time is

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Speaker 1: now Sugar Ray is again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, absolutely I should have stuck them in a room.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize