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Speaker 1: here a podcast that, for the first time ever, is

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Speaker 1: being recorded on an earth that I no longer have

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Speaker 1: to share with that fascist rap baster chinzawabe. And with

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Speaker 1: with me, with me to celebrate this occasion is Garrison Davis. Hi, Hello,

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Speaker 1: and James, have have we actually have we like introduced you?

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Speaker 1: dark day for democracy. I am saddened by the horrible

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Speaker 1: loss of a great leader, UM, A hero to feminism

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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I'm wanted. Yeah, I'm now a podcast. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Um so who I am? I am a journalist, I guess,

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Speaker 1: PhD is in the history of international anti fascism, building

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Speaker 1: We made it. Yeah, well we do in the national

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Speaker 1: Uh so, ex Prime Minister kind of he's not around anymore,

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Speaker 1: of him just with like a a law like an

429
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Speaker 1: anti tank weapon, and he's just like giving it like

430
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Speaker 1: the V sign, and he's wearing these like yellow aviators

431
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: and a leather jacket. Like the way they arrested him

432
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: was at a steakhouse I think either in New York

433
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: or New Jersey, but like they lured him into a

434
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: steakhouse meeting and then he got busted by the FEDS.

435
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, these guys were trafficking like serious stuff like

436
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: surface to our missiles some things. They have access to

437
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: some pretty heavy equipment. Yeah, that's a that's a pretty

438
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: old Like the officer has been sort of like I

439
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: don't know how you describe it, like a kind of

440
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: like para arm of the Japanese state in a lot

441
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: of ways for a very very long time. Like there

442
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: are there have been like because of people with basically

443
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: special forces training. Um, they they at one point like

444
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: kidnapped and killed the Empress of Korea as part of

445
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Speaker 1: like a thing to like justify started a or so

446
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: they are they're very well hooked up. I I I

447
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: don't know, it's still unclear to be because like that's

448
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: the obviously everything again, like they're the LDP has a

449
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: lot of the Akasa connections because kind of okay, partially

450
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: kind of everything is, but partially also because the accusae

451
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: were like a sort of founding like political block of

452
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Speaker 1: the l d P in the first place. So who knows,

453
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: like LDP people have gotten like attacked by Akas people before.

454
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Speaker 1: It could be that, it could be something else. We

455
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: sort of just don't know yet. Um. Yeah, there's nothing

456
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: identifying this guy. Like I'm just looking at a picture

457
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: of him and there's nothing particularly sort of identifying his

458
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: clothing or anything like that. Yeah, I guess, I guess

459
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: that's the deficitions of extremely funny critical support to Hideo

460
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Speaker 1: Kajima and all of the other freedom fighters. Oh, I

461
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: guess guess when you talk a little bit about the

462
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: international response to this, Yeah, because people have no idea

463
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: what's ethnic. Yeah, I mean, like so like all the

464
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: Americans are sorry of like are doing the all American

465
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Speaker 1: liberals deserve of doing that, Like, oh my god, he

466
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: was a good guy. It's like, no, he wasn't. This

467
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: guy was a monster. Um Okay, I will say this,

468
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: Both the Chinese and the Korean embassies are being surprisingly

469
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Speaker 1: diplomatic about it, as in no one they haven't no

470
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Speaker 1: one has actively insulted him yet social media wise. Likely

471
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: that's a good move for like inter country relationship, but like, okay,

472
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: like try Japanese relationships with Korea with South Korea and

473
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: North Korea are really bad, and a lot of the

474
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: reason why they're really bad is specifically because of Chanawabe

475
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: and because of all of his bullshit. Happy but they're

476
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: not going to like Rubb it. I mean, it's not

477
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Speaker 1: clear to me that they wouldn't have done this if

478
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: this had happened like the two Tho tangs, Like these

479
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: guys really hate each other. Um. Yeah, there's been some

480
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: sort of like people people are trying to do a

481
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: Taiwan angle on this because Obb is like a Taiwan supporter,

482
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: But I don't Yeah, I don't think there's actually that much.

483
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: The people want this to have much more geo political

484
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: like significance than it probably actually will. Um yeah, yeah,

485
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: well it's meantime. Yeah, fascist is dead. That's always funny.

486
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: It happened, Uh it did in fact happen here. Well,

487
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: it happened over there, but you know what I mean, Um,

488
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: it could happen here. Sertain statistically we are we are

489
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: about to do based on. Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't need

490
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: to to deductate model in America. No, with the amount

491
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: of firearms here, it is kind of a little is

492
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: sometimes a little surprising how little stuff like this actually happens.

493
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot of work that goes into like

494
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: preventing it, but but still sometimes it's it's kind of

495
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of shot king. Um. Yeah, like I think,

496
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: I think. I think if you look at the last

497
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: twenty years, I think more Japanese politicians have been assassinated

498
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: to American politicians. Like I'm trying to think of an

499
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: American politician because because they do a lot more American

500
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: politicians and a lot of guns they killed, they killed

501
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: when when they went after Gabby giffordge they killed someone,

502
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: I think, But yeah, I don't I'm trying to think

503
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: of anyone else other than that, um not in recent memory.

504
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: The guy who showed Reagan is now touring. Yeah, but

505
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: he didn't even kill him. That's not even assassination. That's

506
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: just an assassination attempts like a very bouched one. Yeah.

507
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeahs that crossover between John Hinckley and Hideo Kajima, It's

508
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: possible that will be the game. I'm just gonna keep

509
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: referring to the suspect of Hideo Kajima. It's worth noting

510
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: that like he did have armed God, so were um

511
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: God's president. That you can see their guns in their

512
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: whole services. They take down the person who shot him,

513
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: but they they were not on their A game that day. Yeah,

514
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: that you can see in the video. There's like one

515
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: of the guys, I think, trying to like get a

516
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: bulletproof briefcase in between Abe and the guy and just

517
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: doesn't work. It just it just it just fails completely.

518
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: They had one job they didn't Yeah, like the operation

519
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: meat Shield. They weren't just on they weren't just not

520
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: on their A game. They completely feel that they're over. Yes,

521
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: it's not like the guy even tried to run away.

522
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: He just like stood there and got arrested. Yeah. Yeah,

523
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: he did not really put much of a did not

524
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: put up much of a fight. Yeah, yeah, he know

525
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: he didn't. Yeah, he he went down pretty fast. I

526
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: guess he went with like this small again, maybe to

527
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: conceal it, because it looks like he was pretty close. Yeah,

528
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: that is that is very likely. Well, a very dark

529
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: day for democracy, um dark day for feminism um as

530
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton said, Ah anyway, yeah, yeah, Luckily they have

531
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: RAMA Manual as a bastard to your pan to come

532
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: to them in it's difficult. The the the l d

533
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Speaker 1: P are the only people on earth who does who

534
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: actually deserve RAMA Manual. So look, if if you, if

535
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: you didn't want to have to deal with RAMA Manual,

536
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: you should have taken all that's your money. Is this

537
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: is this is now their curse. Well, I'm sure we'll

538
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: talk more about these types of holmemade weapons and all

539
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: that kind of kind of stuff in the future because

540
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: it is. It is interesting. And you know, places where

541
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: places where like actual firearms are hard are harder to get.

542
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: We're seeing more and more ship like this popping up.

543
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that'll that would definitely be worth be

544
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: worth getting into, along with three D printed weapons. All right,

545
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: anything else to add? Does that? Does Does that? Do it? Yeah?

546
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: I think that's a wrap. All right? Well, follow the

547
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: show on Twitter, Instagram. But happened here pod and cools

548
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: the media, Uh, see you next time? Even critical support

549
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: to Hideokachima, welcome to it could happen here the podcast

550
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: that just happened here? All right, that's my by part done, Chris,

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Speaker 1: What are we What are we talking about today? I

552
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: I have brought you all here today to discuss one

553
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: of the most sacred and variable of our political institutions,

554
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: an institution whose words echo through history and carved the political, legal,

555
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: and economic framework of our world. I am referring, of course,

556
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: to the bread riot. Hey, there we go. I love

557
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: good bread riot. I do too. This is this is

558
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: a good a non zero part of why I wrote

559
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: this episode. How how is this? How is this relatable?

560
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: The grain supplies seems really stable right now? It's all

561
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: what everyone says about the grain supply. No one. No

562
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: one has thrown a ball top through a bank window

563
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: in two hundred years. I was. I was reliably informed

564
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: by several Marxist historians that that bread riots were over.

565
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna google Ukrainian wheat harvest, as I

566
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: do every exactly five years. The moment just now came

567
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: up where where I check it every five years. Let

568
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: me just uh, is there a problem? Well, let me

569
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: go eat my fifth wonder bread slice of the day

570
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: and not think about it. Good stuff, all right? So yeah,

571
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 1: let's talk bread riots. Yeah, we're talking bead riots. So

572
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: prep riots are an ancient institution. Um, you can, I mean,

573
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: you can find them like very easily as far back

574
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: as the Roman Republic, of Roman Republican policy bread like Okay,

575
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go further back than that, I

576
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: have no doubt you could like spend probably ten minutes

577
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: and find bread rioting in like Sumeria or something. I

578
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: didn't do this. And the reason I didn't do this,

579
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Speaker 1: even though I'm talking about the history of the bread riot,

580
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: is that the sort of the structure of the bread

581
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: riot is shaped inexorably by the sort of political and

582
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: economic conditions around it, and the political and economic condition

583
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: of ancient Rome are somewhat similar to us, but not really.

584
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Speaker 1: So instead of doing that, we're starting in the late

585
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Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, where there are a lot of bread riots,

586
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: but particularly there's a lot of very well documented bread

587
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: riots in the UK and France. And I guess but

588
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: before we actually like talk about the specific riots, we

589
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: should you should talk about what a bread right actually

590
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Speaker 1: is because okay, so I mean, on a very superficial level,

591
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: of bread riot is when people don't have bread and

592
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: they riot, But the actual response to that and what

593
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: the riots look like are interesting and sort of complicated. Um,

594
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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote now from the book Free Markets

595
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: and Food Riots. This is just talking about specifically the

596
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds riots. But yeah, food riots took several forms.

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00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: A the blockader and trade that prevented the export of

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00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: grain from an area in which shortages existed. Be the

599
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: price riot or taxation popularity in which food was seized

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00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: by protesters, a just price set and the lot sold.

601
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: See a grarian demonstrations in which farmers destroyed their own produces,

602
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: a dramatic protest. Indeed, the market right, in which the

603
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: crowd took me retribute of action against commercial agents, bakers

604
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: and millers and local magistrates in the form of looting

605
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: or tumultuous assembly to force dealers and local authorities to

606
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: reduce prices. So, okay, there's a lot of different things

607
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: going on here. We're going to get back to the

608
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: farmer's protest stuff like a lot later because the specific

609
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: kind of like rural like versions of this kind of

610
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: fading into the background for a couple of centuries. Um,

611
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: what's happening the urban centers. That was really interesting in

612
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and it gets at the core

613
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Speaker 1: of what's going on in these sort of like late

614
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: santeen hundreds riots. Notably, the crowds who are doing the

615
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: rioting are just like they're not just like seizing the

616
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Speaker 1: bread and eating it, which is a thing that like

617
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: you would assume they would be doing if they were

618
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's a bunch of people who are starving

619
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Speaker 1: and there's bread and they take it, right, But that's

620
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: that's actually not what they're doing. What they're doing is

621
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Speaker 1: essentially negotiating over price. You see this in the sort

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00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: of price riot thing, right. You know. The thing that

623
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: they actually do is they see a bunch of grain

624
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: and then they sell it off at what they sort

625
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: of like and what they deem a fair price is.

626
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: And you know what what this is the something to

627
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: do basically is it's it's a it's a very very

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00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: direct way of trying to get bakers to lower their prices.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that's about these riots is that

630
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Speaker 1: they are they're they're very politically sophisticated, and they're they're

631
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Speaker 1: very targeted. Um, there's the thing you hear a lot,

632
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: and if if you ever read anything about any modern riot,

633
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: you will hear just people ranting about how people are

634
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: destroying blindly destroying their own neighborhoods, and it's it's just

635
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: like not true. Riots tend to have sort of riots

636
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: tend to have a sort of political specific political focus

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00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: and attacking specific targets, which is why, like, you know,

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00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: the first things that go up in a riot are pawnshops,

639
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: liquor stores, police stations, and now stores that think they're

640
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: employed employees badly They literally have specific targets. Yeah, yeah,

641
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: like it it's you know, it's it's it's very like

642
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: all all of all of the stuff that's happening is

643
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: stuff that has like it's the result of political grievances

644
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: that people have sort of been accumulating for a long time.

645
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: And this is also true of these sort of of

646
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: these early bread riots too. Going back to the book,

647
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: free Markets and food rights, protesters did not rampage indiscriminately,

648
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: but focus their wrath in particular individuals and institutions whom

649
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: the crowd held responsible for unjust practices. Typically, it was

650
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: not the producers or retailers of food, but the middlemen

651
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: who were seen as responsible for shortages and price raises.

652
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: The grain dealers wholesalers, speculators, and mills. Grain shipments by

653
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: wagon ship and canal bars were seves and distributed among

654
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 1: participants are sold at a just price. Warehouses were rated

655
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: with similar results. Textile workers in seventeen seventy reams quote

656
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: sees the talents of our gets proceeded to sell all

657
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: the grain in the market at three quarters of the

658
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: current price. They then turn their attention to the warehouse

659
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: into the grainaries of numerous religious houses, which they treated

660
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: in a similar fashion. Yeah, and so you know, like this,

661
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: this this is like this is a pretty remarkable degree

662
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: of political sophistication right there. They're not targeting sort of

663
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: farmers or bakers, and especially not targeting people who are

664
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: like well known election the community. They're targeting people who

665
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: they can directly tie it toto grand price speculation. And

666
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: this is, you know, in someone sense like this this

667
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: is a demonstration of the kind of like basic contradiction

668
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: of the market. Right on the one hand, you have

669
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: bread as this like physical thing that you need to survive.

670
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: On the other hand, you have bread as this market commodity,

671
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: and the market you know, as a market commodity. It's

672
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: a sort of speculative asset which people are like buying

673
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: and selling and hoarding like stocks, because not because they

674
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: actually eat it, but because they're interested in its sort

675
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: of market value. And you know, the Marxists will call

676
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: this the difference between the use value or like the

677
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: value you get from eating a piece of bread, and

678
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: the exchange value, which is like the bread is a

679
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: commodity that can be traded for the commodities. And you know,

680
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: I like this is this isn't sometimes like this is

681
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: behind a lot of like the housing crisis. Right now,

682
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of people who buy houses and

683
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: apartment buildings that you know, not because they need to

684
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: live on them, but as an asset that will appreciate

685
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: over time, you know, like appreciating value over time like

686
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: stocks do. But this means that people who like need

687
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: houses to like live in them, like, don't get a

688
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: house because they're being held by people who are trying

689
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: to get the value to appreciate. And the goal of

690
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: these riots is basically to prevent bread from becoming an

691
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: exchange value, that is, to sort of like market commodity

692
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: user speculation and turn them back into use values. But

693
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: even again here this is interesting, right, because it's not

694
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: like these people are like like like anti market, anti capitalists, right,

695
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: they tend not to sort of just seize the bread

696
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: out right. What they're doing is they they're insisting on

697
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: buying it at a specific quote unquote just price. And

698
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: this this sort of gets into the question of, like,

699
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: why are these riots happening in the first place. Um,

700
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: The obvious explanation like, Okay, the people are rioting because

701
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: the price of bread is increasing, But that's that's not

702
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: actually like an explanation, right, It's just it's a precondition.

703
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of places where bread prices rising,

704
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: you'd never get a riot. So a lot of of

705
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: people have studied this and try to figure out what

706
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: is happening. The second explanation that historians come up with

707
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: is something called the moral economy, um and and and

708
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: in this bottle, people aren't just reacting to like a

709
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: price increase, but what they're actually reacting to is what

710
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: becomes known as the entitlement gap, which is this gap

711
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: between people what people think they're entitled to based on

712
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: the morality and how hard they work, etcetera, and like

713
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: what they actually get. And so you know, in less

714
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: academic language. It's people going like I'm getting price gouged.

715
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: This is bullshit. Bring the prices down that what they're

716
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: supposed to be. And you know that's part of it.

717
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: That there's there's another theory that argues that food riots

718
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: are different by these like really complicated or like webs

719
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: of horizontal social relations and like things like a networks

720
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: of wives and like political organizations and sort of like

721
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: alliance is to happen inside of villages stuff like that,

722
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: and that, you know, and these groups sort of like

723
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: react to price increases by banding together and voicing people

724
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: are lower prices. Um. Now, notably, I want one of

725
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: the like the things I listed in those that like

726
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: web of things right as wives, net works as the

727
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: sort of like first community widly as the food riots. Um.

728
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: And this is this is turns out to be important.

729
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Women are often like the leaders an initiator of bread riots,

730
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: and the sort of theory behind it is that they're

731
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: actually the ones like buying the bread and so they're

732
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: sort of they're more in tune with disturbances of food prices, etcetera.

733
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: And you know, the food price increases are a threat

734
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: to what academics called social reproduction or an essence like

735
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself, your family and your household, like

736
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: making sure you can sort of support and raise your children.

737
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: So there's well, so the the good version of it

738
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: is it's you're taking care of the people around you.

739
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: The cynical version of it is it's social. It's real,

740
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: it's social reproduction because you're creating another generation of workers

741
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: for capital, all right, but because women end up doing

742
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: like enormously disapportionate amount of that work. Uh, they you know,

743
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: they wind up in the streets first because they are

744
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: the people who are most acutely sort of like sensitive

745
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: to this stuff happening. Um, yeah, what's what's you know?

746
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: The and and the other thing is sort of worth

747
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: noting here is that riots are these these kind of

748
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: bread riots are usually urban affairs, and they're sort of

749
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: they're the product of people who live in cities, right,

750
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: It's sort of artisans and industrial workers. There's this like

751
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: fighting corps of teenagers who seemed to show up in

752
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: all of these bread riots, and thankfully that that that

753
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: never happens today. We do not have a bunch of

754
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: teenagers show up any time to fight the cops. And

755
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: something bad happens. No experience with this. Yeah, I've certainly

756
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: never seen anything like that happened these other countries. Have

757
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: the FEDS put piles of bricks out on the street, Well,

758
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: you know this is we have. We haven't. They haven't

759
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: gone to that level of entrapman yet. They're right, they're

760
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: not powerful enough that this. This is before the development

761
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: of the police state. Yeah, they didn't have an FBI

762
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: to burn down the Third Precinct. Yeah, they haven't devented

763
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: the agent provocatury yet. A cunning false flag. So what's

764
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: interesting about the eighte century riots? Those I've been talking

765
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: a lot about how these are live women, and that's true,

766
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: but specifically the age ones tend to be more gender

767
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: balanced and later riots. And I'm going to read this

768
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: from the historian Lynn Taylor because it's it's one of

769
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: the funniest things I've ever read in my life, and

770
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: I love it. Cynthia Bolton's study of the French Flower

771
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: War of seven of seventeen seventy five makes clear the

772
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: mixed nature of traditional food riots. Indeed, the number of

773
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: men involved had increased significantly in the Flower Wars due

774
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: to the changing male economic social including familial and political status.

775
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: During thecon regime, there's was a life of precarious and

776
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: declining social economic position. This equilibrium in the family structure

777
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: of political alienation, one that left them in position similar

778
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: to those of mothers, wives, sisters, and daughters. The men

779
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: who rioted had in crucial ways been feminized. Oh boy,

780
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: they before they're writing, because I mean, this is a

781
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: thing that literally happened in uh in Myanmar during the uprising.

782
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: That there are kind of local, local cultural sort of

783
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: attitudes there that make it that have made it for

784
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: a long time, like essentially considered like shameful to touch

785
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: women's clothing um or particularly like there's certain things that

786
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: like you don't wear and that you're not supposed to

787
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: look at if you see someone dressed that way, um

788
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: that are like traditional women's clothing. And so a bunch

789
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: of male protesters would dress that way and form up

790
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: and like ranks at the protests because it made the

791
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: police like uncomfortable and sometimes like back off. That's extremely cool. Yeah,

792
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: there's like some literal examples of that very recent riots. Yeah,

793
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: And I think that gets at one of the things

794
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: that's sort of happening is happening in this period too,

795
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: which is that like one of the kinds of things

796
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: that gen raise these bread riots is this kind of

797
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: is this instability and gender roles and is this sort

798
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: of instability in in what the role of a person

799
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: in society is going to be and that I don't know,

800
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: it has a lot of interesting effects. And when those

801
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: effects are riots, the stuff that stuff that happens is

802
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: really cool because you get a lot of sort of

803
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: like gender roles getting messed up, you get a lot

804
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: of like social ties being broken. I guess. So the

805
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: other thing that's going on in this period, um that

806
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: is is important because because it's sort of like foreshadows

807
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: a lot of what the sort of later bread riots

808
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: are going to be about. Is that and this is

809
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: this is like the fourth theory of bread riots. If

810
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: you sort of like go through your economic historians of

811
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: this stuff. Um they're talking about basically the late Senti

812
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: hunters are are one of the sort of key moments

813
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: in like the formation of the modern state. And what

814
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: this means in terms of food is that control the

815
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: food supply is mood from these this sort of like

816
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: parentalistic like feudal state thing where on a local level

817
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: you have guaranteed prices and access to food, and this

818
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: has shifted to laws for capitalism in which there is

819
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: there there are there are no price controls, there's there's

820
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: no guarantee you can get food. And subsequent to this,

821
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: also at the same time is the centralization of the

822
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: military bureacracy. And cent relation to the military bureaucracy means

823
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: that they're taking more control of the food supply um

824
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: here here from few markets and food riots. Again, older

825
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: parent realistic models operating at the local level and assuring

826
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: a prentiful supply of necessaries at a low price were

827
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: undermined by new national policies aimed at greater efficiency and

828
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: market regulation. Spanning a century and more. The policies included

829
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: such varied activities as enclosure, land concentration, capital, intensification of farming, proletarianization,

830
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: grain exports, taxes, tariffs, and other government efforts to regulate

831
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: the food supply. Price riots were simply one expression of

832
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: popular grievances stemming from this broader change. And this is something,

833
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: this is something that that's very common. Bread riots are

834
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: are like deeply an intimate linked in the with the

835
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: ways that food, food product the food production process is changing,

836
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: and specifically linked to the link to the ways of

837
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: the food production process is changing because of the state

838
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: and markets. But we're sort of leading into the late

839
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, and at this point something happened that no

840
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: one expected. A bread riot went completely the other direction.

841
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: It irrevocably changed the state in the market itself. Um.

842
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: And I am talking about histories maybe most famous bread riot.

843
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: That's right, it's the French Revolution baby, liberty, egality, fraternity,

844
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: han han and this is this is this is you

845
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: mean to tell me that the French had a revolution.

846
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of it's kind of marginal. Admittedly,

847
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: the fame that doesn't sound like the French that I know.

848
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: That's true. The modern French have replaced revolution with racism unfortunately.

849
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: But you know, look, look we're we're we're we're in

850
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds. Things are different. Um. Yeah, and so

851
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: we're we're we're in in a secondary going to talk

852
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: about the Red riot that changed the history of bread

853
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Speaker 1: rights and the course of world history forever. But first,

854
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Speaker 1: do you know who doesn't love bread riots? Yeah? Who

855
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856
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857
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858
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859
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860
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Speaker 1: a Habsburg you know, um hit us up and uh

861
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Speaker 1: offer us a sponsorship. Yeah, well, okay, we we We're

862
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Speaker 1: going to rewind a little bit before they kill Mary

863
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Speaker 1: Antoinette to get to how that happened. So one of

864
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Speaker 1: the things if you read the sort of literature on

865
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Speaker 1: bread rights, one of the things bread right people will

866
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Speaker 1: talk about over and over again is bread rights being

867
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Speaker 1: a political and they kind of like stretch this to

868
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Speaker 1: a point, well because I mean okay, so like like

869
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Speaker 1: there's a couple levels which doesn't make any sense, right, Like, okay,

870
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Speaker 1: if you think that bread is being sold at too

871
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: high a price because people are are gouging you, that

872
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: is political, right, and then you go out and make

873
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: them nott do that. Yeah, that's politics. People love to

874
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: say things aren't political when they don't align with like

875
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: a simple political party, like if it if it doesn't

876
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: line up directly with the kind of approved debate topics

877
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: between the political parties that dominate things. They like to

878
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: say ship is a political but you know, starving because

879
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: of the tax decisions or whatnot is is an inherently

880
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: political thing. Yeah, and and and and deciding that you're

881
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: not going to starve and taking bread from people, it's

882
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: an incredibly political thing. Yeah, that's the politics. You have

883
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: done a politicy, I've done, You've done a lot of politics,

884
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: and you know, but but one of one of the

885
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: things that that and the other thing this leads to

886
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: is if if if a thing that involves bread suddenly

887
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: like turns into capital p politics, and suddenly you have

888
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: people doing things that are like well understood as like

889
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: conventional political gestures, immediately everyone stops calling it a bread right.

890
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: And if but like, if you look at what's actually happening,

891
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: it's here's a bunch of people who are mad about

892
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: the price of bread. Uh, they went to change the

893
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: price of bread. It kind of didn't work, and so

894
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: instead they oversee the government and this is this is

895
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: this is this is uh, this is the bread right

896
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: that that we're getting to now up until you know,

897
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: up until nine, like you can argue that like people

898
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: historians will argue that oh it's bad rights a political

899
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: that just ends in I think it's October five. But

900
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: but by this point the French Revolution is like, well underway. Um,

901
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: they've stormn the Bistell. There's a bunch of people in

902
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: a parliament writing a constitution. But like in October of nine,

903
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: it's still unclear, like how radical any of this is

904
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: going to be? Right, Um, at this point it still

905
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: seems likely that there's going to be a king. And

906
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Speaker 1: not only is there gonna be a king, the king

907
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: is Cearlialy gonna be pretty strong. And then yeah, in October, uh,

908
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: maybe history's most same as bread right breaks out? So

909
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: seven thousand women who are like incredibly piste off at

910
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: the high price of bread and Paris march on Versailles,

911
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: which is where the Royal family of France had been

912
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: like governing France from for like a hundred years. And

913
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: these women are really really angry and they they they

914
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Speaker 1: basically forced the royal family to come back within to Paris.

915
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Speaker 1: And I guess it's it's important to note here that

916
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: Paris and versided like twelve miles apart, so this isn't

917
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Speaker 1: like a multi day journey. They just like get mad

918
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Speaker 1: one day and they wake up and they walk to

919
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: the next city over, and this radically changes the entire

920
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Speaker 1: direction of the French revolution because once, if the royal

921
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: family is in Versailles, right like, the Parisian mob doesn't

922
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: have direct access to them. But once that, once they're

923
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: in Paris, and once once once this bread riot like

924
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: brings the king to Paris. Suddenly the entire, like, the

925
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: entire concentrated political power of the French system is now

926
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Speaker 1: centered in Paris and is now in a place where

927
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: subsequent bread riots can actually do stuff. And this directly

928
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Speaker 1: leads to the King's being executed, This leads to our

929
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: sponsors getting guillotined, and it basically it's it's it completely

930
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Speaker 1: cements bread as sort of like the central part of

931
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Speaker 1: of like one of the central aspects of what the

932
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Speaker 1: French Revolution is about. Like by by, by the end

933
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Speaker 1: of the revolution, that the that the slogan of the

934
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Speaker 1: sort of revolutionary French working class is bred in the

935
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Speaker 1: Constitution of seventee. So you know, you can you can

936
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Speaker 1: you can you can look at the priorities there and

937
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: look at like all of this is sort of and

938
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Speaker 1: a sort of extended rolling bread riot um unfortunately for

939
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: us uh and spoilers to everyone who has not caught

940
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: up on the end of the French Revolution. The revolution loses,

941
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: Napoleon takes power, and this is where we enter the

942
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: era of what's going as the bourgeois revolution. This is

943
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: this is the modern era. And if you if you've

944
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Speaker 1: read your like your like Arab cops swam, you're like,

945
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Speaker 1: you're you're sort of very conventional like march historians, you're

946
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: conventional sort of liberal historians. They will all tell you

947
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Speaker 1: that the bread riots ort of dies in nearly eighteen hundreds,

948
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Speaker 1: and that's replaced by like strikes and political protests organized

949
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Speaker 1: by unions and parties, because like the rural class has

950
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: been like displaced at the center of history by the

951
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: industrial working class. And that's just like not true, um.

952
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Speaker 1: And it's not true in two senses. One, it's in

953
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: the sense that like we have bread riots now, but

954
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: it's also not true because there's another wave of bread

955
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: riots that are that are very very conventional and very

956
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Speaker 1: much sort of in the classic Sampion Hunter's bolt. Here

957
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Speaker 1: is here's Lynn Taylor again. It is true that the

958
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Speaker 1: proactive form of protests became common, even predominant by the

959
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: early twentieth century. However, scatitude the periodical literature are accounts

960
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: of twentieth century food riots, which looks surprisingly like those

961
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Speaker 1: of the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, something not expected

962
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Speaker 1: in modern industrialized nation states. Food riots occurred in northern

963
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: France in nineteen eleven, in Britain during the winter of

964
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen, nineteen seventeen in New York and nineteen seventeen

965
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Speaker 1: in Toronto and BOTHWY three in Barcelona in nineteen eighteen,

966
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Speaker 1: in Vichy, France in nineteen forty two, and in northern

967
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: France throughout the German occupation. The form of protests was

968
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: remarkably consistent in each and reminiscent of traditional food riots

969
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: of earlier centuries. And these are these are these are

970
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: very conventional sort of eighteenth century bread riots. They're led

971
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: by women. They refuse that they're led by women who

972
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: are refusing to pay a higher price for food. And

973
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: in some sense they kind of are a political in

974
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: that there are various attempts in like basically all of

975
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: these protests by like organized political organists to take that over,

976
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: and basically every single time the women who were involved

977
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: are like, no, absolutely not uh, there's there. There's a

978
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: very funny one where I think this is the the

979
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: I think this is the British one in seventeen were

980
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: like a bunch of men show up and the women

981
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: are like, no, go home, you can't riot with us.

982
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: This is this is our riot now. Yeah. Then the

983
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: British case in particular was also interesting because this is

984
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: the middle of World War One, and so you know,

985
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: this is a sort of giant presence looming over these

986
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: these these bread riots, and you know the government sort

987
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: of like that. The government, in response to this, or

988
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: sponsor to widespread hunger, like, decreased these price controls on food,

989
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: but farmers are just refusing to obey them, and so

990
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: women in Mayport organized and the result was quote when

991
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: one farmer said he did not care what the government

992
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: said about price controls, there was bedlamb The women rushed

993
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: the farmer's cart, and the street was quote filled with hooting, yelling,

994
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: women and young people while potatoes, cabbages and turn ups

995
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: were flying through the air. The example of Mayport soon

996
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: spread to other parts of the country. These riots are

997
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: led by housewives who had filled the front line and

998
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: did much of the fighting. Although the miners of Cumberland

999
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: were also active in supporting their wives efforts, both as

1000
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: added bodies strengthening the crowds, but also through the Minors

1001
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: Association other working class institutions. So A, I don't know,

1002
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: I had to include this specifically because the image of

1003
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of people throwing cabbages at farmers is extremely

1004
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: funny to me. Oh, but the other thing I think

1005
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: is interesting here is you can serve to see the

1006
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: shifts from the sort of eighteenth century like riots to

1007
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: these ones on on a social level, where you know,

1008
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: in the eighte hundreds you're dealing with sort of like

1009
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: town and sort of peasant cultural groupings thur s approaching

1010
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: the protest, but by the nineteen hundreds bread riots are

1011
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: being backed by like organized political institutions. Um, there's another

1012
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: one in New York in ninteen seventeen, which is remarkable

1013
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: for being it's self organized by Like it's remarkable because

1014
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: it's it's self organized by women, even though this is

1015
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Speaker 1: like the part of New York they're in is a

1016
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: Socialist Party stronghold, But the Socialist Party isn't there people

1017
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: who do it. It's the women who are like married

1018
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases the Social Party or in

1019
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: to some excenter in it, but are sort of operating autonomously,

1020
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: and they do this thing where they sort of like

1021
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: they start setting and forcing these boycotts of like shops

1022
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: that are deemed to be at like price gouging levels,

1023
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: and they fight the cops and they do a bunch

1024
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: of stuff. Um. And the ones I mentioned in Toronto

1025
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: earlier interesting because those ones actually do like have an

1026
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: organization in the beginning, but in keeping with sort of

1027
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: the tradition of of of the bread right, the organization

1028
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: was the Jewish Women's the Jewish Women's Labor League. And

1029
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: these are these are remarkably effective political movements. They win

1030
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: their demands really quickly. I'm going to read one more

1031
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: account because it just rules. Uh. Lester Golden and Temma

1032
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: Caplan have both examined food riots in Barcelona in nineteen,

1033
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: part of a wave of riots which occurred between June nine,

1034
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 1: seventeen and March nine throughout Spain. As in previous cases,

1035
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: these riots arounted because of devastating price inflation I think

1036
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: we know nothing about now this time, resulting from the

1037
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: post war collapse of the economy. The participants were all women.

1038
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: They forbade men's participation, and the actions were led first

1039
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: by radical Republicans and then by a small group of

1040
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: female and arco syndicalists. The women's demands were simple and straightforward.

1041
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: They demanded lower prices for foods. They attacked bread shops

1042
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: and cold wag as it took over a ship laden

1043
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: with fish. When police and civil guard attempted to break

1044
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: out the women crowds of women on the street, the

1045
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: woman turned on them, stripping some of the officers of

1046
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: their pants, spanking or thrashing them, and sending them home. Yes, yes,

1047
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: that's that's it's so good, perfect, perfect, This is the

1048
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: energy we need in every century that human beings have

1049
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:50,479
Speaker 1: ever inhabitants. Amazing that the historians are parent parenthetical note

1050
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: after that is quote, rather undermining their authority in the process,

1051
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: which yes, I would imagine. So, yes, if you are

1052
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: if you are being spanked by a crowd, you have

1053
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: lost control of that crowd. That that that is that

1054
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: is fair to say. And so they it takes about

1055
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: three weeks and they win and prices drop thirty So

1056
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: good for them. That's a pretty solid look. Hey, I

1057
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: think I think most of the people listening would do

1058
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: some hardcore spanking if they could get at cut on

1059
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: their grocery bill. Yeah, it's it's look, I'm just saying

1060
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: it is much harder to pull down a modern cops

1061
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: trousers because they're wearing like so much weird ship on

1062
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: top of it. But belt technology has improved tremendously since then. Yeah, however, Comma,

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Speaker 1: where there is a will, there's a way. Yep. If

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00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: I learned one thing from high school, if that anyone

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00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: can be pantsed just you just you just have to.

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Speaker 1: You just have to. You just have to want it

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00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: hard enough. You have to want it more than the

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00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: person wants to be wearing their pants. That's right, that's right,

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00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: you have to believe. So there's one more of these

1070
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: bed right since we're talking about, which also is not

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00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: conventionally framed as a bread right, but is entirely keeping

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00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: with everything I've said here, the February Revolution in Russia.

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00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: Um So, the February Revolution is the revolution that actually

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00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: overthrows there. There's another revolution, which is the act Revolution,

1075
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: which is one of the bullshers come to power. But

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00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: that's a that's that's a separate one. They're fighting a

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: completely group of people. The February Revolution has all of

1078
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: the sort of key factors of a bread right right.

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00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: There's these massive bread lines. Women are piste off by

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00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: lack of food. The revolution itself is led by women

1081
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: whose like male comrades had literally told them, don't, like,

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00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: don't go out and do a protest on that day

1083
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: because this is International Women's Day. But the like all

1084
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: all of the men who are like doing this are

1085
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: are convinced that, like the conditions aren't right for revolution,

1086
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: so they try to get everyone to stay home, and

1087
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: everyone's like no. And you know, like the sort of

1088
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: key difference between the like this bread right and the

1089
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: other bread rounds we were talking about is that, you know,

1090
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: the the demands of the of the the march in

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01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: International Women's Day, United seventeen are overtly political, like they

1092
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 1: they are chanting down with the czar and they're trying

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: to overthrow the government. And this, you know, this is

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01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: another thing that has this sort of like incredible impact

1095
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: on on how the bolshot revolution is is sort of working. Right,

1096
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: Like Lenin winds up using peace bread in land as

1097
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: one of the sort of like central like Bolshevik slogans

1098
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: because part of it, because a huge part about the

1099
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: revolution is is just a bread riot, and that that

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01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: that's where where we're that's that's where we're gonna leave

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01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: it today, with the world just completely and utterly transformed

1102
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: by another bread riot. And next episode we're going to

1103
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: get to the modern bread riots because those are also interesting.

1104
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Speaker 1: And yeah, we're gonna once again prove everyone who insists

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01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: that bread riots don't happen anymore wrong, A thing that

1106
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know existed until I started reading this and

1107
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: then now incredibly mad about. Yeah, So go out there

1108
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 1: and have a bread riot, pants a cop or a

1109
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: mother kind of riot, you know, a guacamole riot um,

1110
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: a mate riot um, you could have You could have

1111
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: some kind of corn riot um. You could have a

1112
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: riot over order Lan. That would be a unique kind

1113
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: of riot. Don't think anyone's ever rioted over that. That

1114
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: bird that that's such a beautiful songbird. That eating it

1115
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: as a sin, so you have to like hide your

1116
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: shame underneath a sheet so God doesn't see you eat it.

1117
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: Have a riot over one of those, you know, Yeah,

1118
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: I do that. I love how often the Holocaust has

1119
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: been trending over the last year. Um, that's good. That's

1120
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: the thing you want to see trending in um It's

1121
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: it could happen here, all right, Chris, continue with your

1122
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: bread riots. Yeah, we're back. There's more riots. Uh now.

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Speaker 1: Last episode we talked about historians declaring the end of

1124
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: the bread death of the bread riot, and like in

1125
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: the sixties and early seventies, Like I think that this

1126
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: is this is one of the ways you can tell

1127
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: that period people genuinely thought the world was going to

1128
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: get better. It was that like they genuinely believed that

1129
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: like the centralized state and like capitalism can always provide foods.

1130
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: You want u bread riots anymore you get market You

1131
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: if you were born in that period, you like grew

1132
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: up and people were fleeing from dynonic as is in

1133
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: the street and like getting getting eaten by woolly mammoth's

1134
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: And then by the time you're forty, you've got the telegraph.

1135
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: So I get it, right, I get why people think

1136
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: that that progress was really go back in those because

1137
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: they got they wiped out the dynonic as. This is. Yeah,

1138
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: you have seen how wear'd taff building the pyramids exactly

1139
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: exactly exactly you have you have you have seen the

1140
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: future rise up literally and rent of view, and they

1141
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: went from eating mud to Hershey's chocolate. It's it's an

1142
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: incredibly impressive sort of sort of period of modern historical evolution.

1143
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: And you know, and one one of the things you see,

1144
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: like like you'll see like Marxists calling bread rice primitive

1145
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: rebels doing like populist mob politics that's been like displaced

1146
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: by proper Marxist class politics. And then like every single

1147
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: one of these people was like the most wrong anyone,

1148
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: like basically from that period until until the moment the

1149
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: end of history. Guy starts writing, they are the most

1150
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: wrong people like on the planet. Well, it's also funny

1151
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: to hear that idea that like there was something primitive

1152
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: about these people's class analysis, because like the Brothers Gracky

1153
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: and Ancient Republican Rome a lot of this ship they're saying,

1154
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: it's not at all primitive class analysis like this, it's

1155
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty developed. Yeah, And I mean, like the Marxist

1156
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: will do some long argument about how like oh they

1157
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: they have they have false consciousness, they're not trying to

1158
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: abolish the class system or whatever, and it's like, well,

1159
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like I look at the Martin the Marxist

1160
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: in demolish classist them either. So like yeah, like yeah,

1161
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: like that these are these are very The's something we're

1162
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: gonna be coming back to a lot this episode is

1163
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: that the people doing this are incredibly sophisticated political actors.

1164
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: And one of the sort of modern version of this

1165
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: is in the nineteen seventies, not only did bread riots

1166
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: not and there's a new kind of bread riot and

1167
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: these riots are collectively known as the I M. F

1168
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Speaker 1: Riots um. From from from January nine, seventy six to

1169
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: October nineteen ninety two, there are riots in Peru, Egypt, Ghana, Jamaica, Liberia,

1170
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: the Philippines, a year, Turkey, Morocco, Sierra Leon, Sudan, Argentina, Ecuador, Chile, Bolivia, Brazil,

1171
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: Panama to Tunisia, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, El Salvador, Costa Rica,

1172
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: Guadibala in Mexico, Yugoslavia, Zambia, Poland, Algeria, Romania, Nigeria, Hungary, Venezuela, Jordan,

1173
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: the Avery Coast, nigeri, Ron, Albania, India, and Nepal. Were

1174
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: you just do like the wacko the whacko Warner's song,

1175
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: It's that's literally all the play I found the chart

1176
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 1: that has all of them is like, there's just so many.

1177
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: They just keep happening. And again that's only like they

1178
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: they're they're still happening. And the ever thing I should

1179
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: mention is those are just the ones that are called

1180
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: the I m F riots. There's a bunch of other riots,

1181
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: some of which are bred riots, that aren't called the

1182
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: I m F riots because they're not really sort of

1183
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: like directly involved with the I m F. And and

1184
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: that that this raises the question of what the fund

1185
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: is an IMF riot? Uh, And the answer is that, unfortunately,

1186
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: to to understand why people are throwing ball atops through

1187
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: bank windows, we have to talk about banking a little bit. Um.

1188
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Speaker 1: I I have talked, I guess at length. Yeah, I

1189
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: I apologize, but we will we will get back to

1190
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: the riots, damn, But I promise we just have do

1191
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of banking. So yeah, I've talked extensively

1192
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: on the show about the crisis of the seventies. And

1193
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, the short version is that in a thing

1194
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: that is completely unrecognizable today, the global economy collapses, inflation skyrockets,

1195
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: countries across the global South start taking out these suggestable

1196
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: right that they've been taking out these suggestable right owns,

1197
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: and then suddenly the interest rate spike and they started

1198
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: faulting on these loans. Here's our free markets and food

1199
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: riots talking about it. Although the causes of the crisis

1200
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: run deeper, by the nineteen seventies, many smaller nations began

1201
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: to feel the strains of insolvency as a result of

1202
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: a world wide recession, successive oil price shocks, declining world

1203
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: commodity prices, and accelerating debt service obligations. So but basically,

1204
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: like if you're a small country, right, the price of

1205
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: everything you need to buy, like oil, is going up,

1206
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: and the price of what you can sell, which is

1207
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: like commodities like copper tin, is collapsing, and these lead

1208
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: to what are like these massive what are called balance

1209
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: of payments crises, And so we should we talk about

1210
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: what about what a balance of payments crisis is? And

1211
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: this one is up being really important here there's the

1212
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: story about che Guevara, like right after like literally right

1213
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: after the Cuman revolution, is he so he goes to

1214
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: the US and he's in a he sits he's in

1215
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: this meeting with a bunch of bankers, and he's trying

1216
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: basically to get Cuba's gold reserves and cup us sort

1217
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: of like foreign exchange reserves out of the S. The

1218
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: U S doesn't steal it. And it was funny about

1219
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: it is all the bankers who are talking to him,

1220
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: like all of them report afterwards like, woll wow, this

1221
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: guy talks like a banker, not a communist. And the

1222
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: specifically the reason they were like, oh hey, this guy

1223
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: talks like a banker is that he knew what balance

1224
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: of payments was. Um. The short answer is at a

1225
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: balance of payments crisis is when there's more money flowing

1226
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: out of the country than there is coming into it.

1227
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: And the results of this is that you run out

1228
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: of money, and particularly the thing you run out of

1229
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: as American dollars, which is the thing that you need

1230
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: to like buy oil. So you get these countries that

1231
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: are massively in debt and they run out of money,

1232
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: and the only thing they could do is turn to

1233
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: like is turn to the International Monetary Fund and the

1234
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: i m F, who like the only description of the

1235
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: i m F that I have is that like they're

1236
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: they're they're basically like if the cartoon Bank of Evil

1237
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: from Despicable me like ran the entire world economy. They

1238
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, so the I m F shows up to

1239
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: these countries and is like loll lamau each ship, and

1240
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: they forced these countries to implement like in order to

1241
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: get loans. They forced him to implet what are called

1242
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: stabilization programs because of the quote conditionality of the loans

1243
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: that they have. All these like this really technical boring

1244
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: like neoliberal like legal language for it, the like the

1245
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: this this is all sort of banker speak for if

1246
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 1: you wanted other loans you can buy food, You're gonna

1247
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: have to rob every single person you know and hand

1248
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: them and hand us all your money. Uh. This eventually

1249
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: becomes now to structural adjustment programs. There's all of this

1250
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: sort of technical language disguise what's going on. But what's

1251
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: actually going on is that in order to pay off,

1252
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: in order to pay the bankers for these loans, they

1253
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: are taking food for the moles of children. Um. Yeah,

1254
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: here's a more technical, I guess explanation of what's happening here.

1255
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: Austerity programs include stern measures or shock treatments that trigger

1256
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: market mechanisms to stimulate export production and increased government for

1257
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: exchange reserves. So, according to the theory, currency devaluation make

1258
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: three world exports more competitive in the international market. Reduced

1259
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,520
Speaker 1: public spending curbs inflation and saves money for debt repayments.

1260
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: Privatization of state owned corporations generated more productive investment and

1261
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: reduce public payrolls. Elimination of protectionism and other restraints on

1262
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: foreign investment lurns more more efficient export firms. Cuts in

1263
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: public subsidies for food and basic necessities helped to get

1264
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: prices right, benefiting domestic producers. Wage restraints and higher interest

1265
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: rates reduce inflation and enhance competitiveness, and import restrictions can

1266
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 1: serve form exchange for debt servicing. So this has winners

1267
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: and losers, and the losers are like everyone in the

1268
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: country that is happening to and this is and this

1269
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 1: is pretty cost cross class. Like these policies they hir workers,

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01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: the hir peasants, the hair small shopkeepers, the middle classes

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Speaker 1: annihilated just like people who are consumers you buy goods,

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Speaker 1: and even the sort of like the local capitalists just

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01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: get screwed by this because what the I m F

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01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 1: is doing is forcing everyone to have lower wages, taking

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01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: massive benefit cuts and massively spiking the price of food.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I I I want to get remind

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Speaker 1: everyone that this this is explicitly what the Federal Reserve

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: is trying to do to us right now, Like this

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01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: is this is the kind of stuff that they're talking

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: about in order to curb inflation, is to just make

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: the pay everyone less, make everyone take benefits cuts, and

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01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: then increase the price of ship. So the winners of

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01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: this are like six bureaucrats, international investors, and like a

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01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: class of like absolutely horrific large agricultural landowners. And this

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01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: this has about the effect that you would expect it

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01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: to um. Between nineteen seventy six and late nine two,

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01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 1: some a hundred and forty six incidents of protests occurred,

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01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,839
Speaker 1: reaching a peak from nineteen eight three to nine, continuing

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Speaker 1: to the present without attenuation. Now, the authors who are

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01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: writing this right, they're writing this in nineteen four So

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01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: when they say they continue to the present without tentation,

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Speaker 1: they four, The thing is the last one of those

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Speaker 1: riots ended like a week ago. Oh yeah, yeah, they're

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01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: still they're still going um so, and you know, and

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: these these riots are slightly different than the the sort

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Speaker 1: of like classical bread riots, right, because they are about

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Speaker 1: the increasing price of food, it's also about the increasing

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: price of fuel or sort of broader austerity measures or

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01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: cuts to services and stuff like that. Um here, here's

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01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: there's a quote about like what these things actually look like. Um.

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01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: Demonstrations and riots typically target specific institutions perceived as responsible

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01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: for the depredations. Marches and protesting crowds converge on major

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: thoroughfares and government buildings, such as the treasury or the

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01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: national bank, or the legislature, the presidential palace. Looters attack

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01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: supermarkets and clothing stores. Where fuel and transportation subsidies are

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: part of the austerity package, busses and gasoline stations are burned.

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01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: The international dimension of austerity are recognized symbolically in attacks

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01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: on travel agencies for and automobile's, luxury hotels and international

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01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 1: travel agencies or all that too, but also international agency offices.

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: And you know this is gonna sound familiar from the

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01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: last episode. It turns out that just like the eight

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01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: Touch of People, that the attacks of these things are

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01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: are very targeted. The sort of like forms of resistance

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01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: have changed over time, because you know, this is now

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01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: we we we do have modern political organizations. Right, Like

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01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: we get general strikes, you get sometimes you get just

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: noble bread riots. Sometimes you get these just things that

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01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: are like large protests and then they turn into riots.

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting about them is that these are very

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01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: sort of these are very sort of cross class movements. Right.

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: You have your sort of classical sectors of the urban poor.

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01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: You have, like particularly in the global South, you can

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: you have your shanty dwellers, you have unemployed youth, you

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01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: have small street vendors or like a crucial sort of

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01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: element of these things you have like just your guy

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: selling cigarettes on the street. Um, you get you also

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01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: get like parts of the industrial working class. You get

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01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you get unions. A lot of times you get students,

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01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: you get public employees. Sometimes you get professional groups. One

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01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: of one of the interesting things that's reading about this,

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01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 1: I've read like a few books in this EREA who

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: were talking specifically and this this isn't like the nineties, right,

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01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: We're specifically talking about professional groups in Sudan. And it's

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01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: like it's like, Okay, it's it's people are talking to

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01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: professional groups and Sudan backing rioters against the government. It's

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01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen. People are talking about professional groups

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: backing protests against the government. It's like it's I don't know,

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01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: Like there's this extent to which all of these things

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01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,759
Speaker 1: that the I m F riots have just been happening

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01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: over and over and over again for about fifty years,

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01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: and a lot of the elements are incredibly similar. One

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: of the other things that's going on here is that

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01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: these protests are driven are driven by mass organization. Typically,

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01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: austerity protests were precipitated by dramatic overnight price heights resulting

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01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: from the termination of public subsidies on basic goods and services,

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01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: proclaimed by the government as a regrettably necessary reform, urged

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01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: by the I m F and international lenders as conditions

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01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: for new and renegotiated loans. Five deaths in the first

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01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: Peruvian protests to get a pattern of violence. Peru remained

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: a hotbed of austerity protest, with students and workers demonstrating

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01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: against increased food prices in followed by followed in by

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01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: a march of public employees over state layoffs. This protest,

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01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: so cheered by other public workers watching from surrounding the

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01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: office buildings, was dispersed by police tear gas. So like

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: that that's that's a very sort of yeah, yeah, like

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01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: we did. I mean, this is this was happening. This

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01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: is happening in Peru like last year, right, actually was

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01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: it last year? Was it earlier this year? I don't know.

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01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: Time is fake. And that's actually like the other thing

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: that sort of startling about this is like the places

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01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: that riot are still the places that are rioting, and

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: like it in an enormous number of cases, it's it's

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01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: the same places sometimes it's the same people. Um. I

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01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: think probably the most famous protests of the sort of

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01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: era is it's called the caracaso I'm pronouncing nice really badly,

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01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: by my apologies in Venezuela, which is reaction to a

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01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: nine like increase in train and bus fairs. And there

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01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: are these are like these are massive riots. Um at

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01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: least a hundred and probably like a couple of thousand

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: people are like gunned down by the army. And three

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Speaker 1: years later, a relatively unknown colonel named Hugo Chavez tried

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Speaker 1: to overthrow the government that had carried out the price increases. Travis,

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01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, Travis is better known for his other works,

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01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: but he's the sort of tie between the I M.

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01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: F Riots and the sort of next phase of political

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01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: resistance to this stuff, which is called the antique, which

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01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: is like known as the anti globalization movements in sort

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01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: of the nineties and nearly two thousands. And the thing

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01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: that's interesting about these things is that I don't know,

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01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: the I m F rights don't go very well, like

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01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: either they lose or at best, what they were able

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01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: to get was like temporarily stall some of these reforms,

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: and I say like reforms quote unquot like the serve

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: and the olive old like slashing benefits. So they were

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01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 1: able to pause them a bit and then they would

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01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: sort of get restarted after people left the street. But

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01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 1: in the late nineties and the thousands, people start winning

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01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: um Argentina is sort of famously forced to like tell

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01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: the I m F to funk off and they default

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01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 1: on their loans. After this like enormous autonomous uprising two

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01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: thousand one that like very nearly overthrows the government enforces

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01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: that like five heads of state. There's the whole sort

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01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: of pink tide in Latin America. The I m F

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01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: gets like driven out of a bunch of countries in

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01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: East Asia, and then she doesn't eight the entire world

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01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: economy collapses, which it turns out is bad for everyone.

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01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: And this does This does two things for our story.

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01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: The first is that like countries are suddenly going broke again,

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: and because they're like just completely broke, the I m

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01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 1: F is just back and is able to sort of

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01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: enforce programs on places like Greecent Spain. And the second

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01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: thing it did was set off an enormous wave of

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01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 1: bread riots and uprisings. And I think, like most people,

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01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: if if you tell them that two eight set off

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01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,879
Speaker 1: like an enormous wave of like protests, they're They're immediately

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01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: going to go, oh, you mean the Arab Spring And

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01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: I am talking about that, But that's actually not specifically

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01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about here. There there's there were like

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01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: immediately in twos and immediately after there was another massive

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01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: wave of bread riots that every like just everyone is

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01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: completely forgotten unless the thing that you do specifically is

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Speaker 1: study bread riots. Um. Here here's from. Here's from the

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Speaker 1: piece called a Political Economy of the Food Riot. In

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01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven and two, the world witnessed a

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01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: return of one of the oldest forms of collective action,

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01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: the food riot. Countries were protests occurred range from Italy,

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01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: where pasta protests in September seven were directed at a

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01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: failure at the failure of the Prodi government to prevent

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01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: a thirty percent rise in the price of pasta. To Haiti,

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01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: where protesters railed against presidents provolves impassive response to the

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01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: doubling of the price of rice over the course of

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01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: a single week. Other countries in which riots were reported

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Speaker 1: including the Uzbekistan, Morocco, guianam Are, Titania, Senegal, India, Indonesia, Zimbabwe, Burkina,

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01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,799
Speaker 1: Fossil came Ruined, Yemen, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Mexico, and Argentina,

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01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: and some commentators have estimated that thirty countries experienced some

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Speaker 1: sort of fruits some sort of food protests over the period.

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Speaker 1: Now we've been talking a lot about like food consumers

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01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: in this because that's mostly the people who are involved

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01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: in bread riots. But you know, as was happening in

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Speaker 1: seventeen huntres with this sort of original stuff like this

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01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: whole time this is going on, there's there's a sort

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Speaker 1: of massive shift in the global food economy happening where

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Speaker 1: and this has been happening for a long time now,

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01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: but it's it's sort of it's been accelerating the last

1435
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: about half a century, which is that the number of

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01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: people who are like peasants and who produced food for

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01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: themselves has been massively declining, and people are getting forced

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Speaker 1: into cities. And this means that there's you know, there's

1439
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: there's been a number of other things that have gone

1440
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: along with this. Uh, there's been this massive increase in

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01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: like cattle production, for example, you get all these monocol

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01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: yours um. And another thing I think I've mentioned before

1443
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: is that the World Trade organizations like Agreement on Agriculture

1444
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: like outlaws agricultural subsidies for the global South, but you know,

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01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: the US is still allowed to have like farm subsidies,

1446
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: which means that you know, if when you're when you

1447
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: enter these free trade agreements, you get all of this

1448
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 1: like enormously cheap food from the U. S has dumped

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01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: into all these other countries, and you know, if you're

1450
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: a Mexican farmer, suddenly you can't compete with all of

1451
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: this food from the US because the food from the

1452
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: US is cheap because the American government subsidizing it, but

1453
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: the Mexican government can and this just like absolutely annihilates

1454
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 1: any attempt by a country to maintain food security by

1455
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: like producing food for themselves. And this this sort of

1456
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: class of like self sufficient peasant farmers who had been

1457
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, they support themselves by producing their own food

1458
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 1: and selling to the market. These people just can annihilated

1459
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 1: and they get forced into what's called sort of casualized

1460
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: labor that they you know, they the later version of

1461
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: this is like uber right, but that they're forcing to

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01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,879
Speaker 1: gig work. They're kicked out of sort of the noble economy,

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01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: and you know, because they don't have sort of fixed

1464
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: contracts or you know, it's a lot of people are

1465
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: working with for no contract with with no contracts at all,

1466
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: they're enormously insecure. And once the people are forced into

1467
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: the labor market, like changes in the global economy can

1468
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: make them like almost immediately unable to afford food because

1469
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, like if the less sort of economic and

1470
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: secure you are, the more the more you're affected by

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01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 1: price increases. Which is obvious, but it's worth saying because

1472
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: it dictates a lot of like who does bread riots

1473
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: and yes, and so governments are not entirely like blind

1474
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: to this, and they're concernings that they're gonna get overthrown,

1475
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: and so you see a bunch of governments trying to

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01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: respond with sort of price stabilization stuff. I think the

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01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: most famous example of this is that like the Egyptian

1478
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: army like literally controls like an enormous number of easips

1479
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: bakeries and they like directly run them, and they directly

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Speaker 1: run them, so like you control the price of bread

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01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: to try to like stop revolutions from happening. But and

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01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: she doesn't. Eight they just kind of stopped working. Um,

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01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: here's the political economy of the food riot. Again, over

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01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: the year between two thousand and seven and two eight

1485
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty increase in the global price of maze

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01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: and the sevcent increase in the price of rice, with

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01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: similar price increases and soybeans and other major food commodities. Um, yes,

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01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: there there are these massi food price increases, and this,

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01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: you know, this does the thing that massive food price

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01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: increases does. Right, there's there's and there's immediately enormous riots,

1491
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,560
Speaker 1: and there's the cycle that happens where the protesters, you know,

1492
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: the protesters immediately blamed the government for the crisis, and

1493
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 1: then the government is like, well, it's actually not our

1494
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: fault because you know that it's happening because the things

1495
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: outside of our control, and the protesters are like, oh,

1496
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who we elect, they do the same things,

1497
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: and like they're both kind of right, Like the government

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01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: is just like sucking these people. But it's also true

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01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: that the sort of like the whole food system is

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01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: designed to take like the means of food production out

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01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: of the hands of like the workers who need the

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01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: food and putting them in the hands of like, you know,

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01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: enormous corporations and as people in places like Sri Lanco,

1504
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: which you're gonna talk more about later, continually emphasize like this,

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01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: this food sovereignty issue is as much as a political issue,

1506
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: Like it's an incredibly political issue, and it's it's it's

1507
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: as much like what's at steak in these bread riots

1508
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: as the sort of imfinosterity stuff. Okay, this is probably

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01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: a good place for an ad break, but I can't

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01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: think of a transition. Uh yeah, you know who isn't

1511
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: allowed to eat is the products and services that support

1512
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 1: this podcast, all actively starving to death. So get these

1513
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: deals now while you still can, and we're back. So

1514
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: all right now we're gonna talk a little bit about

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01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: the Arabs Spring. We're not gonna talk an enormous amount

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: about it because that's the whole thing. Um. But if if,

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01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: if you've been following like the stuff people have written

1518
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 1: about the Arab Spring, there's an enormous number of people

1519
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: who spend like a lot of their time arguing about

1520
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: whether or not it was actually sparked by food prices.

1521
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: And you know, you'll get a lot of analysts to

1522
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: argue that like food prices in Tunisia where the air

1523
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: spring starts, like, weren't really higher than normal, And what

1524
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: you're seeing instead is like, well, it's not actually food prices.

1525
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: It's just that there's a generation of people who've been

1526
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: farmers but like can't support themselves anymore, who've been forced

1527
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: into like fighting non existent wage labor in cities and

1528
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: like that. That is part of what's happening. But I

1529
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 1: think there's there's a sort of like fundamental misunderstanding if

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01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: what causes a bread right, right, Like you know, as

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01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: as you talked about like in the first episode, one

1532
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: of the things that causes bread riots is it's not

1533
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: actually necessarily the magnitude of the price increase that causes them, right,

1534
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: What sets What sets off bread riots is people is

1535
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: people feeling like they're not getting what they deserve. Now. Obviously,

1536
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,600
Speaker 1: like if the price of bread increases, you're going to

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01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: get a lot of people going like, fun, this, I

1538
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: work my ass off and now I can't feed my family.

1539
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: We deserve better in this is time to riot. But

1540
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 1: sometimes even if red prices are stable, you can you

1541
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: can get it. You can get a thing where everyone, like,

1542
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, the amount of bread is bad, everything is expensive,

1543
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,719
Speaker 1: and one day someone wakes up and just goes funk,

1544
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: this I deserve better and they do a bread riot

1545
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: and and this is the case. And you know, and

1546
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: when when that kind of thing is happening, right when

1547
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: when when you're dealing with you know what like moral

1548
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: economy stuff, when you're dealing with with this gap between

1549
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 1: like what people think, like like what people think their

1550
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: life should be versus the fact that their lives which

1551
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: is absolutely terrible. Even if you like decrease the price

1552
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: of bread, that's not actually necessarily going to like stop

1553
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 1: people from rioting. And if you look at like occupy

1554
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: for example, to like you know, that's also happening in

1555
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 1: this period, like what brings people there isn't necessarily strictly

1556
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: the price of food. It's the sense that like, yeah,

1557
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 1: I've been screwed by and I've been screwed by the

1558
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: ruling class, and I deserve better than this, and and

1559
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: this is this is what you see Indonesia. And one

1560
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:50,759
Speaker 1: of the things what you see in sort of Phoenicians

1561
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: Syria is that like a lot of the uprisings, like

1562
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 1: they have this huge sort of rural core with with

1563
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: this population of the population to people who've been kicked

1564
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: out the agricultural sector, and you know, and like that

1565
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: that is a bread riot, right, And it's a bread

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01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: right in the sort of double sense of like it's

1567
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: the people who are involved who used to be involved

1568
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: in in grain production and now can't be. And then

1569
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: also that like you know, people, people have hit the

1570
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: sort of expectation gap thing. And what I think is

1571
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,839
Speaker 1: sort of interesting about this is that these bread riots,

1572
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: these rural bread riots, are like they're they're the closest

1573
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: thing we have to sort of the classical twenty century revolution, right,

1574
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 1: Like that that's one of that's the thing that causes

1575
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: like the twenty century revolutions are the first generation of

1576
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: people who are like but maybe in the first like

1577
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: two or three generations, people who come from the countryside

1578
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: into the factories of the people who do revolutions um.

1579
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: And but the thing is this is this is this

1580
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: is the century, not the twentie century. Like if you

1581
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: get kicked out of your farm, there's there's no job

1582
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: in a factory, like you're just unemployed, and you know,

1583
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: and this changes the dynamics of of sort of everything.

1584
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: And I think, okay, like people like broadly know the

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01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: course of like the Arab Spring and a teen wave

1586
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: of uprisings, they happen, they get crushed largely. But there

1587
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: was another wave of these sort of riots, protests and

1588
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 1: uprisings that started in Haiti and like in eighteen over

1589
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: this massive field price hike. And here is a partial

1590
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: list of places that like people have like rioted in

1591
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: in large numbers since a dozen in eighteen Haiti, Sudan, Algeria, Hunduras, Chile,

1592
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: and Rock, Hong Kong, Iran like four times, Lebanon, like

1593
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: three times, Columbia, like three times. A couple of things

1594
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: happen in France. There was Puerto Rico, there was popular

1595
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: There's there was Indonesia, where in our second Ecuador one.

1596
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: Now there's Catalonia. Like people righted in the US there

1597
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: there were massive digits, roadblocks like in Canada, ukimedia Kampa

1598
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: went up where there was stuff. It's a culture. Like

1599
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: there were two different ways of protests. In India, there

1600
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: was like Belarus, there's Kazahstan, there's Kyrgystan, there's Usbekistan. There's Molly.

1601
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: There's stuff in Nigeria or stuffing o Libya, like there's

1602
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: stuff in Sri Lanka. We're about to get to this.

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01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 1: This whole thing has has been happening like everywhere, and

1604
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: it's been intensifying the lasting the last year of like

1605
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: three or four years. Um, we're not basically like year

1606
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: four of this cycle. And and you know, obviously, like

1607
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: every single one of these protests has their own like

1608
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 1: local political conditions, and like a lot of these aren't

1609
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: even sort of loosely about the price of bread. They're

1610
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: just about sort of other stuff that's happening. But like

1611
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: like of the operations that I mentioned, like something like

1612
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: fifteen of them are directly about the price of food

1613
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: or the price of like transitive fuel. And we're gonna

1614
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about sort of two of the

1615
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: most recent like protest waves. We're gonna talk about equa word.

1616
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Sri Lanka because they're there are

1617
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: two very different kinds of protests, even though they're both

1618
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of bread riots or at least there, I mean,

1619
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: they're both very much the modern equivalence of it. Um

1620
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: but they look very different. And there there's just I

1621
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: think and I don't know, I think it's like interesting

1622
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: reasons why. Um yeah. So so we're gonna start with,

1623
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: like with Sri Lanka um on. On a very basic level,

1624
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: of Sri Lanka has a giant balance of payments crisis.

1625
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: This is you know, it's just like that. This is

1626
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: a sort of like large scale political version of famines. Right, Like,

1627
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 1: there's plenty of food and fuel in the world, but

1628
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: the government sharlocket does not have dollars to buy it with. Now,

1629
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: the reason the government doesn't have dollars to buy fuel

1630
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,520
Speaker 1: with is because the government is basically like an incredibly

1631
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: corrupt sctatorship that keeps like imputting lujury goods it didn't need.

1632
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 1: And they did a bunch of like tax breaks at

1633
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: rich people, and suddenly the government was broken. Everyone was

1634
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: like wow, how did that happen? It must have just

1635
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: been the pandemic and it was like no, you like

1636
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: you gave all the money to rich people. And then

1637
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: as the crisis sort of went on, um, they the

1638
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: government decided to ban fertilizery imports and so this just

1639
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: meant that people couldn't get fertilizers. So it's like farmers

1640
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: just didn't plant food because curious decision. Yeah, it's like

1641
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things you look at it.

1642
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 1: It's just like like like who thought this was a

1643
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: good idea? Yeah, what was the positive end of that

1644
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: game in here? I mean it's like the only like okay,

1645
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 1: So like I I think what they were thinking is that, like,

1646
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: fertilizer costs dollars, right, we're running out of dollars, so

1647
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: we're gonna stop people from spending their dollars like on

1648
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: buying this stuff so we can keep more dollars in

1649
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: the economy. But like, what what are you what is

1650
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: your long term plan here if you don't have like

1651
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 1: anything to get dollars with or and you also don't

1652
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: have food. So this, to the surprise of exactly zero people.

1653
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: Lookcept I guess the government of Sri Lanka causes a

1654
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: food crisis, food shortage. Um. And this is a kind

1655
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: of classic like this is the kind of classic like

1656
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: situation in which the I m F we intervene in

1657
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: the seventies and they're interviing now and you know this,

1658
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: this is a classic like struggle against this starting right,

1659
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: you have the ruling class blowing up the entire economy

1660
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: by like fueling debt money into pointlet's infrastructure projects. And

1661
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: now they're doing these like massive austerity measures and trying

1662
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: to get loans to b I MF. This is you know,

1663
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: this is this is this is this, this is this

1664
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: is this is stuff we understand that we've seen before. Um.

1665
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: But this is also this is also a food softigy problem, right.

1666
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 1: The SriLankan government has just completely screwed their farmers, which

1667
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: means you have to import even more food and and

1668
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 1: you know the result of this is months and months

1669
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: and months a very impressive sort of clock cross class

1670
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 1: protests with like basically every social sector in the streets.

1671
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 1: And that's both a good thing and also a thing

1672
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: that is kind of a mess because you know, like

1673
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: there's civil war. The civil war ended like less than

1674
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: a decade and a half ago. Right, so you have

1675
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: people in the streets from sectors who like do not

1676
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: like each other at all, and I don't know, and

1677
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, you get the thing that happens here, right,

1678
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: You get these moments of like incredible solidarity and then

1679
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 1: moments of incredible like what the funk are you guys doing?

1680
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: And you know, like one of the things that happens

1681
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: a lot in these protests, like in all all protests,

1682
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: like this is like okay, the protests are like pre

1683
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: tame for literally months, right, Like it's just people doing protesting,

1684
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: and then I cops and and people like allied with

1685
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: the government start attacking their testers, at which point people

1686
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 1: like burned down the house of the ruling family. They

1687
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 1: start throwing people. I think people probably saw the videos

1688
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 1: people like throwing cars of like government ministers in the rivers,

1689
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 1: which was a good time, and like yeah, like that

1690
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: that stuff was, you know, a direct reaction to sort

1691
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: of like the government's violence. Right. Um, you know, okay,

1692
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: I can't give like a full, like detailed political history

1693
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: here because, like dear god, it is incredibly complicated and

1694
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 1: I don't understand it very well because you know, I

1695
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: don't study Sri Lanka. Um, if you want to go

1696
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: to account of this. Brohini Hensman's political dimensions of the

1697
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: crisis in Sri Lanka is a really good sort of

1698
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 1: like short like look at what's going on here, um,

1699
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: And and this is the sort of like this is

1700
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, this is a broader trend and like all

1701
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 1: these protests right, like like every single bread right takes

1702
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: place in its own unique context, Like Sri Lanka, for example,

1703
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 1: Like Sri Lanka used to have the world's best and

1704
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:58,440
Speaker 1: largest like mass Trotskyite party, like they were the Trotskyites

1705
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: is like the only place on earth the Trotskates like

1706
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: a real like mass political party, and they were like

1707
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 1: a part of the real political process. And then they

1708
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: like sold out the working class and entered a bunch

1709
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 1: of governments that like did terrible stuff. And you know,

1710
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: okay that that that's like a local context, doesn't happen

1711
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,759
Speaker 1: anywhere else. But you know, every single one of these states,

1712
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: right is embedded in global capitalism. And that means that

1713
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: every state is affected by the sort of like broader

1714
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 1: economic trends and sort of beerocratic structures to hold everything together.

1715
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 1: They're affected by the i m F, the World Trade Organization,

1716
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: the World Bank. And the thing that this means is

1717
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: that the timings of uprisings and riots tend to synchronize

1718
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: with each other, and we actually just sort of brought

1719
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 1: her up like economic forces. And the product of this

1720
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: is way is these sort of like periodic ways of uprisings.

1721
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: And so the closest out we're gonna talk about the

1722
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: most recent of these. Well, it might actually not be

1723
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: the most recently these by the time this goes up,

1724
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, we're we're gonna talk about Ecuador. Um.

1725
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: The situation Ecuador is very different from what's happening in

1726
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: Sri Lanka. The biggest difference, I guess is that instead

1727
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 1: of sort of like waiting for conditions to get bad

1728
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: enough that like an uprising happens like more or less spontaneously,

1729
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 1: which is kind of what happened he doesn't nineteen an Ecuador.

1730
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: There there's a there's a there are huge protests there, um,

1731
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 1: but they were largely spontaneous. But instead of like waiting

1732
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: for people were just like what if we just called

1733
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: one of these And by by people here, I specifically

1734
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 1: mean the Confederation of Indigenous Nationalities of Ecuador or Kona,

1735
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 1: and you know, okay, okay. As we've seen through this

1736
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 1: whole sort of thing, right like bread riots like adapt

1737
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: to the political organizations around them. And in Ecuador we're

1738
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: dealing with a quick essentially modern form political organization, which

1739
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 1: is the Indigenous Confederation. And I guess I should sort

1740
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 1: of like preface this a bit with like the specific

1741
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 1: form of indigenous confederation in in Latin America that emerges

1742
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: in this period is like a different thing than older

1743
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: ones because there have been indigenous confederation for a long time.

1744
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: This is like a this is this is a very

1745
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: specific like political thing that emerged across Latin America in

1746
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: in sort of the seventies, and the really really started

1747
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: string up in the eighties as results of like a

1748
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: lot of things, one of which was like how shitty

1749
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: the old like Marxans lends vanga groups like we're on

1750
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 1: indigenous issues. And one of the one of the groups

1751
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: that forms in this period is kana and Kanae is

1752
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: one of the world's most bilitants like indigenous federations, and

1753
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 1: since they're founding in in six they've called half a

1754
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 1: dozen uprisings against neoliberal governments, and I think I think

1755
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: they knocked off like three presidents, which is a pretty

1756
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: impressive track record. And on July two, faced with skyrocketing

1757
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,719
Speaker 1: inflation on like basic consumer goods and a like really

1758
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 1: shitty like far right government, they stage another one um

1759
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: and this is another sort of I don't know. The

1760
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: thing is interesting about this is that it's it's part

1761
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 1: general strike, like part street protests, part riot, and part

1762
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: just like mass mark for the from the sort of

1763
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: periphery of Ecuador to the core. And by periphery and cora,

1764
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean in the sort of metaphorical sense, like it's

1765
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: a bunch. It's a bunch of indigenous peasant groups from

1766
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 1: all over the country, just like marching on descending on

1767
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: the capital Keto. And this is a this is a

1768
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 1: complicated process like that, you know. Okay, like the left

1769
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: everywhere has like political divides and mostly they're kind of

1770
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 1: nonsense in a lot of way, like okay, like that

1771
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: there's ideological divides and this personal divides and whatever. But

1772
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 1: like Ecuador's left has has real political divides, and these

1773
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: aren't these aren't like sort of petty ideological like personal stuff,

1774
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: like they're like they were caught under the sort of

1775
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: previous like old like leftist, pink tight governments of Raphael Carrera.

1776
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: Like there are like soldiers and cops who are beating

1777
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: the ship out of indigenous echological protesters. And you know

1778
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: this means that like yeah, you know, okay, So so

1779
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Carrera is like parties running for president again. Careers are running,

1780
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: but careers parties like running in an election, right, And

1781
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 1: you know this means it's like, yeah, okay, like maybe

1782
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: you're both leftist right, but you know a lot of

1783
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 1: people who are like, oh, fun, no, like I'm not

1784
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: voting for these guys. These are the guys who like

1785
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: sent the army against our anti mining protests. And so

1786
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, the thing the thing that is interesting here

1787
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: is like like these protests don't even pull together the

1788
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: entire recordorian left. Um, there's like other stuff going on

1789
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 1: here too, like the there there's some of the unions

1790
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: that went on strike in nineteen, like don't go on

1791
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: strike this time because of some political stuff that's happening.

1792
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: But the thing, the thing about KNA that's really impressive

1793
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: is that they're still organized enough and they still like

1794
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: they're organized enough that they're able to just take control

1795
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: of parts of cities and they have a lot of

1796
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: allies supporters amongst the students and workers and keto. And

1797
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 1: this means that when the government makes this enormous mistake

1798
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: and arrests karas like kind of Newish leader. Ah okay,

1799
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: this guy's name. This guy's name, I guess in Spanish,

1800
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 1: it's like Leonidas is that. This guy's name is leonitis Um.

1801
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: He's the head of I use the Distance Federation Um

1802
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: and he sees a protest leader. He was protested leader

1803
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. That's how we got elected to like

1804
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: head this organization. And they arrest him on day two

1805
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 1: of the protests. And this is a catastrophic mistake. The

1806
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: protests just like explode and you know, bye bye bye

1807
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 1: by like a week in. I think that the government's

1808
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: claiming they were doing fifty million dollars a damage a day,

1809
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 1: which I'm not actually sure I believe that because governments

1810
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: and corporations to this too, and they're talking about like

1811
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: losses from like strikes as they tend to overra emphasize

1812
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: how much damage has done because it makes them like

1813
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: look better in the press, and that makes the protesters

1814
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: look worse. But they they they they're able to damage

1815
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 1: like significant parts of the economy, and by June, like

1816
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,759
Speaker 1: they kind of win. Basically, the government's forced to negotiate

1817
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: with them, and they don't get all of their demands,

1818
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 1: but they get price decreases for like fuel and gasoline,

1819
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: which is like a huge part of why this happened

1820
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 1: in the first place. They get bans on mining and

1821
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 1: drilling and indigenous and protected areas. They get like strength

1822
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 1: and price controls. They it likeal rural loan forgiveness, like

1823
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 1: interest rate decreases. They get subsidus for farmers, they get

1824
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 1: subsdues for families, they get they manage to get the

1825
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: government to declare a state of health emergency over COVID.

1826
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: It's like this is this is impressive stuff, and you know,

1827
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: and the other part of this is that they're like, Okay,

1828
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 1: the agreement is that we will stop protesting if you

1829
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 1: do this, and if you don't do this, we're gonna

1830
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: do this again. So yeah, I guess I guess my

1831
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: sort of wrap this up. There's there there's an American

1832
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 1: proverb that is really common amongst sort of like American

1833
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: China watchers, which is that I so supposedly the Chinese

1834
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: word for crisis is composed of two characters, danger and opportunity.

1835
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 1: And it's like not true, as likes to get at

1836
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 1: the polo logical analysis of China that that's not what

1837
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 1: that's not what the characters made. But everyone, like everyone

1838
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: in the US, like political stamishment, like believes this right,

1839
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 1: and you know, but like as as an analysis of China,

1840
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 1: it is completely useless. As an analysis of the US

1841
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: of the American psyche, it's incredibly valuable, right because this this,

1842
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: this is the way the American ruling class thinks. It's

1843
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: it's every single crisis is both a danger and an opportunity.

1844
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: And that's something that we in some sense also have

1845
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: to do because that's you know, these are the sort

1846
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 1: of situations that we're in, right, bread, riots are a

1847
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 1: thing that just they happen, Right, they will continue to happen.

1848
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,640
Speaker 1: They have been happening for thousands of years, like presumably

1849
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 1: they will happen for thousands of more years. And there's

1850
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: no use sort of like either pretending that they don't

1851
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 1: happen or making these sort of moral or tactical arguments

1852
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 1: like for against them, because they just happen. And the

1853
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: question that we're that we're faced with is what are

1854
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 1: we actually going to do about it? Right? Are we

1855
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 1: going to set them out? Are we gonna side with

1856
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 1: the state and repressing them in the name of sort

1857
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: of like stamping out color revolutions, are like providing order

1858
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 1: a stability, or like protecting small businesses? Or are we

1859
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: going to you know, take to the streets and fight

1860
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 1: alongside them to sort of break the system that creates them.

1861
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 1: And this is the second question from here is if

1862
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 1: we're going to do this, how what what what we've

1863
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: seen from Ecuador in the past month or so is

1864
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: that if you take the fight to them and you're

1865
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: sufficiently organized, you can win. And that means the question now,

1866
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: as our food prices continued to increase, as food prices

1867
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: are only going to continue to increase, what are we

1868
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 1: going to do? And Yeah, that that's all I got.

1869
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: I have. I have a single question, yep, what are

1870
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 1: we going to do? Well? I'm kind of bummed we

1871
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: never brought up are good friend Pete Buddha j Edge

1872
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 1: in his uh bread his bread preci fixing ordeals? Yeah,

1873
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean that that that that's kind of a sign

1874
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 1: of just like how kind of like I guess you

1875
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: could say masculalized, like our culture has been that people

1876
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 1: didn't riot over that because like that is a thing

1877
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: like if if if if if you said, Pete Buddha

1878
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 1: jedge back to like a late Frets village and she

1879
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 1: tries to do this thing like he does the systematic

1880
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 1: like bride bread price fixing, right, like all of these

1881
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 1: people would have been getting hit by rocks. So yeah,

1882
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: I do that again. Yeah, do that again. Wow, Barons,

1883
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:34,600
Speaker 1: this brazen incitement. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Well that is

1884
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: it for us today. We love to incite things, folks.

1885
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 1: Until next time, go incite yourselves. Welcome to it could

1886
01:41:57,160 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 1: happen here. The podcast that's increasing about things that are

1887
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: actually kind of already happening of and today it's gonna

1888
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:06,599
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be one of those. And we're talking

1889
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 1: about in the kind of the uptick in rhetoric around

1890
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 1: queer exterminationism that's happened. Most of the stuff is what

1891
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 1: this is discussions and legislative proposal and rhetoric that was

1892
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 1: really kicked off last month during Pride months, specifically because

1893
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 1: of the Rovy Wade ruling that really opened the door

1894
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 1: on a few not good possibilities. UM. But because we're

1895
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about some more grim stuff today, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna open with something slightly more funny. Um

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Speaker 1: And that's a friend of the Pod, Dr Jordan B. Peterson.

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Speaker 1: UM now with with me today is is Chris and

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Speaker 1: James greetings? All right, So Peterson, he got he got

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Speaker 1: really mad at Elliott Page. Um and now does not

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Speaker 1: really have a Twitter account. And it's pretty funny. Uh And,

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Speaker 1: a few days after he was banned for continuing to

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Speaker 1: miss gender Elliott Page, he released a video that can

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Speaker 1: only be described as a super villain monologue um as

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Speaker 1: as a part of his new partnership with Daily Wire Plus,

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Speaker 1: the hit new streaming service. Um And, just because I

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Speaker 1: think it's funny, We're just gonna we're just gonna play

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Speaker 1: a few clips of of this of this evil supervillain

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Speaker 1: monologue because it's really funny, and then it'll circle back

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Speaker 1: to kind of our topic towards the end. So ah speaking,

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Speaker 1: speaking a friend of the Pod, Peterson, here's here's our

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Speaker 1: here's our one of the clips that's you've probably already

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Speaker 1: heard if you're if you're terminally online. But it's incredibly funny.

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Speaker 1: If I'm required to acknowledge that my tweet violated the

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Speaker 1: Twitter rules? What rules you songs of good old, good

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Speaker 1: old Peter said, You know the thing, I've always been

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Speaker 1: sort of like that clip in particular, It's like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I was trying, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I could emulate just the it's sounding like you've edited

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Speaker 1: together sixteen clips. If you my tweet violated that Twitter rules,

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Speaker 1: that's like it's his speech pattern is so bizarre. And

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Speaker 1: also like in the the video was like nine minutes long,

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Speaker 1: like proceeding that line, he explained what rule he broke

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Speaker 1: around miss gendering and harassment, so like he explained the

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Speaker 1: exact rule. Ah, but we always get more, Peter said,

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Speaker 1: if you ask for it, yours woke moralists, we'll see

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Speaker 1: who cancels. Who like funny. He's actually sneering as well.

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Speaker 1: If you watched the video, like yeah, yeah, he's he is,

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Speaker 1: he's he's going all in on the bit. He's doing

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Speaker 1: like Ozzi Mandius but hammed up. It's it's frankly impressive.

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Speaker 1: This is this one's also also a decent one. I

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01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 1: am employing this awkward and impossible naming style because it

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01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:21,880
Speaker 1: is now apparently mandatory and and probably doing it wrong. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: as you're doing it wrong is the whole point of

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Speaker 1: what has been made mandatory. But also I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: make a point. I've essentially been banned from Twitter as

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Speaker 1: a consequence. I say banned, although technically I have been suspended,

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Speaker 1: but the suspension will not be lifted unless I delete

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01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 1: the hateful tweet in question, and I would rather die

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01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: than do that. That means that you have a healthy

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Speaker 1: relationship to the platform of Twitter. Um. There's also this

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01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,879
Speaker 1: this great clip of him talking about, like, I'm actually

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Speaker 1: happy how my Twitter account has gone. Now Twitter is

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Speaker 1: insignificant in the final analysis, and you're like, what the

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Speaker 1: fund does that mean? What? What fun What final analysis

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Speaker 1: are you talking about? What do you what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: The final analysis analysis of what? Like? What is? Oh uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's pretty funny. There's there's two more clips from

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Speaker 1: this rent that I want to do, which kind of

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01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 1: are going to get more to the heart of our

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Speaker 1: issue today. Um, They're they're not great. They actually are

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Speaker 1: kind of they kind of suck. So without further ado,

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Speaker 1: here's their good doctor friend. And finally with regard to

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Speaker 1: the final phrase criminal physician, I must say that I've

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Speaker 1: had some postcoital so to speak, regrets about that phrase.

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Speaker 1: It is clearly the case that the surgical operation performed

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01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 1: by the butchers who butchered Elliott slash Ellen was legal.

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Speaker 1: So was it criminal or not? Were the operations undertaken

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Speaker 1: by the fascist physicians who carried out the Nazi medical

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Speaker 1: experiments legal Yes, under the laws of the time, But

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Speaker 1: were they criminal? I'll leave that question up to you

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Speaker 1: to answer. So that's pretty gross for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: Um One, the kind of historical context of using Nazis

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Speaker 1: too compare to your own transphobia is a little dicey

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Speaker 1: when you consider how with the Nazis did to trans

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Speaker 1: people into like queer books. Like, yeah, he's advocating for

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Speaker 1: the Nazi position here. Yeah, there's been so many bands

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Speaker 1: on queer books this Like just in the past two years, Uh,

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01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 1: the Library Association tracked almost six d books that were challenged,

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Speaker 1: in the highest number since the organization began tracking book

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Speaker 1: bands in the past twenty years. So talk talking about

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Speaker 1: like the Nazi scientists, they're like you like you have

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Speaker 1: is his his historical context of obviously is incredibly lacking,

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01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 1: or he's just or he's just a grifter. I think, honestly,

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Speaker 1: he's just kind of I think he's just kind of

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Speaker 1: lost it. I think I don't even think he's fully

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Speaker 1: a grifter. I think he's just kind of not understanding

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Speaker 1: what's going on anymore. Of because you can watch like

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Speaker 1: interviews and stuff where people can try to use reasoning

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Speaker 1: and logic with him, and you can watch his brain

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Speaker 1: start to process it. But it's just like otherwise, he

1982
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Speaker 1: just doesn't think in any sort of logical manner, put

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Speaker 1: his words or his like stream of consciousness into any

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Speaker 1: historical context. He just says what he wants, and he's

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01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 1: used to people just taking that as a fact. Um,

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01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 1: he's used to like regurgitating bad Joseph Campbell and people

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, you sound smart. Would know he's

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Speaker 1: actually not, he's of but man, it's it's yeah. The

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Speaker 1: whole Germany Nazi scientist experimentation thing is incredibly incredibly frustrating. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what else to like say about

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01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 1: a say about that, because I mean even that that

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01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:28,719
Speaker 1: line you could focus on for a while, like compare

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01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:36,120
Speaker 1: how like the history of medical documentation of like transitis

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Speaker 1: and the Nazis. How that's like such a big thing

1995
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:41,760
Speaker 1: is that the Nazis destroyed so much medical research on

1996
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 1: gender transitions, losing like like decades and decades of research

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Speaker 1: that we're only now starting to regain. Incredibly incredibly gross.

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Speaker 1: But there's this one, one, one, last one, last clip.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play of of of our of our

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01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:02,599
Speaker 1: good doctor and are we degenerate, you know, profoundly threatening manner?

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01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 1: I think the answer to that may well be yes.

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Speaker 1: So that's not great. He really is like just advocating

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01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 1: for the Nazi position every turn, Like, yes, he's just

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01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:21,120
Speaker 1: continuing to advocate for fascistic reasoning of fascistic views of

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Speaker 1: decadence and degeneracy insomuch as it is a threat to

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Speaker 1: civilization and a threat to Western society. And then he

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Speaker 1: goes on in this clip to justify Russia's invasion of

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Speaker 1: Ukraine because the US is helping Ukraine, which makes Ukraine

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Speaker 1: degenerate by proxy, so Russia is doing a war on degeneracy.

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Speaker 1: And that's like, that's his arguments, Like that's his level

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01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: of logical reaciting yea, which which is funny because it's

2012
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:50,560
Speaker 1: like if if you ever heard any of the like

2013
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 1: radio because every wants a while, there will be radio

2014
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 1: clips are just like Ukrainian Russian soldiers yelling at each

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01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 1: other and it's just both of them calling each other

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Speaker 1: gay over and over again. It's just like, we like

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Speaker 1: bring back that level of discourse to America. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and then we will

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Speaker 1: come back to talk about our other really close friend

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Speaker 1: of the pod, uh Matthew Walsh. So stay stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for that. God Okay, I have I have one question

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Speaker 1: for everyone here. Um what what? How? How? Woman? What?

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01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 1: What is? What is that featherless biped? Okay, behold. So

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about Matt Walsh, obviously, last month he

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01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 1: released a pretty poorly made transphobic documentary that was basically

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Speaker 1: just a clipse of him getting owned by like actual

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Speaker 1: doctor there for not understanding like basic ontology and medical reasoning. Um,

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Speaker 1: the documentary was just uh. Other friend of the po,

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Speaker 1: JK Rolling, just expressed support for the documentary. So if

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Speaker 1: that's if that's on an indicator that like turfism is

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Speaker 1: just like a direct preamble to open fascism. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what is because I mean, Matt. Matt Walsh jokingly

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Speaker 1: describes himself as a fascist, but that's because his his

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Speaker 1: beliefs actually are fascistic. Like he said, it's one of

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01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 1: those jokes that only is funny because everyone agrees on

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Speaker 1: the central premise, like it's it's that, it's that, it's

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01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 1: that type of humor. Um so like J. K. Rowling

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Speaker 1: just endorsing an open fascist. So I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the documentary in depth here because it's not

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01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: that good and it doesn't really make any points that

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01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:51,640
Speaker 1: need to be refuted. It it talks about how like

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Speaker 1: it talks about how how puberty blockers are um sterilization

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Speaker 1: uh drugs, which is not the case long term when

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01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 1: you're on them, Yes you cannot, you cannot do that

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01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 1: because it's obviously inhibiting your your hormones. But once you

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Speaker 1: go off puberty blockers you can procreate again, which which

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01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 1: also I just want to take a second here to

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Speaker 1: to look at this position, which is that, Okay, so

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01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 1: puberty blockers are sterilization things, right, I like, okay, so

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01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: this is the arguments and sterilization, right, Who are you

2051
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 1: giving puberty blockers to children? Why the fuck do you

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01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:31,640
Speaker 1: care well like children, and it's like, wait, I mean

2053
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: they arguing it's like that, but it'll make them, it'll

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01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: make them permanently sterilized, like like you're castrating these kids

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01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 1: by giving them pumanity blockers, which no, that's not how

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01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:44,600
Speaker 1: that works. You're you're just arguing in bad faith. It

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01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But anyway, I don't want to talk about

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01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 1: documentary in length because it's not interesting enough to talk about.

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01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 1: But this the documentary real quick? Is this the one

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01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 1: way he like goes to like quote unquote the country

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01:53:57,160 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 1: of Africa asks people translates extremely racist. Yeah, great to

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01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 1: see j k Rowling, like known non racist lining up. Yeah,

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01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:12,839
Speaker 1: like behind the descentitist tropes of African creator the creator

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Speaker 1: Kingsley shackle Bolt. Yeah, just the most cringe. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what we call a rich white woman moment um. Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, So but we are to talk about some

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Speaker 1: other things Matt Walt has been doing, specifically how he

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Speaker 1: has increased exterminationist rhetoric into his discussions around trans people.

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Speaker 1: So we're open to talking about de transition ers. So

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of real de transitions, which are very rare,

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01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 1: like there's very few of them, especially considering there's already

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Speaker 1: very few numbers of trans people but like or something, Yeah,

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01:54:56,520 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very very few. Um But the vast

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Speaker 1: majority of people who do make the choice to de

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Speaker 1: transition are usually due to experiencing aggressive transphobia. Um and

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01:55:08,840 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 1: and the idea of the de transition or has been

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01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 1: inflated and used as a straw man to attack the

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Speaker 1: trans community just by and large, with with many documented

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Speaker 1: cases of turfs or far right activists creating like fake

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01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 1: stalk Papa accounts pretending to be de transition ers to

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01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 1: write horrifying but fictional stories that that that happens a lot.

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Speaker 1: There's a really famous case on Reddit of an alleged

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01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 1: de transition er who has found out to just be

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01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: like an alt right troll. Um And this all really

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01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 1: sucks because the people who do de transition because they

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01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 1: realize it's just not for them are generally pretty rad

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01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 1: people who continue to be very much pro trans because

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01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:51,840
Speaker 1: they do understand the fluid nature of gender and gender

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01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 1: expression through this entire process. Like but and anyways, when

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01:55:56,320 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 1: quote tweeting an alleged de transition or expressing regret medical

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01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 1: decisions that they made, Matt Walsh said this quote, we

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01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 1: can't just oppose the transition of children. Yes, that's particularly evil,

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01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 1: but it's also evil to do it to anyone of

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Speaker 1: any age. This young woman was nineteen, a legal adult

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Speaker 1: when she was mutilated. Does that make it okay? Obviously not.

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Speaker 1: Put it another way, it should be illegal for doctors

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Speaker 1: to do this to anyone of any age. It should

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Speaker 1: be illegal for anyone of any age to transition period.

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Speaker 1: So this demonstrates the jump from no one's like that,

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Speaker 1: that the rhetoric of no one should transition until they're

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Speaker 1: an adult, to no one should be allowed to transition

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Speaker 1: at all. And it came just as quickly as the

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Speaker 1: trans community was telling you it would. This This jump

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Speaker 1: is not a big one. It is very easy to

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Speaker 1: say no no hormones until you're eighteen to saying no

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Speaker 1: no hormones at all, um. And that's that's what we're

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01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 1: entering into. Walsh's rhetoric is increasingly exterminationist, um and eliminationist,

2108
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 1: just saying that, like his all of his preferred policies

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01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 1: would result in the total prohibition of trans identity and

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01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 1: the criminalization of any gender firm in care. Um. These

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01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:19,680
Speaker 1: people are fundamentally opposed to having any agency of your

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01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 1: own body, whether that's hormones, whether whether that's abortion, right, Like,

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01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 1: all of these people get mad just when they see

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01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:30,400
Speaker 1: someone with colored hair, Like they don't like someone's ability

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01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:33,000
Speaker 1: to have bodily autonomy. That's there, that's one of their

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01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 1: core politics. And you see this a lot, especially when

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01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:39,240
Speaker 1: it comes to like trans men, because there's this notion

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01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 1: that there that their bodies exist in service of SIS

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01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 1: straight men, right, and anything that gets in the way

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01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:49,000
Speaker 1: of that is an attack on SIS men in general

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01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:52,720
Speaker 1: and all the patriarchal society. It's like very very very

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01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:56,600
Speaker 1: much like regular misogyny, but with an added bonus of transphobia.

2123
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:00,600
Speaker 1: Conservative activist Christopher Ruffo made a tweet a few days

2124
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:03,800
Speaker 1: ago with a picture of Elliott Page pre transition, with

2125
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 1: the caption that says, this is what they took from you, right.

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01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:11,880
Speaker 1: It's it's like this notion that their bodies belong to

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01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: you assists man, and by them choosing to change their

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01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 1: bodies as they see fit, that's an attack on their

2129
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 1: body's access to you. Um, it's it's it's it's it

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01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:26,440
Speaker 1: redes a whole bunch of misogyny. Does. It does a

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01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 1: whole bunch of really bad transphobia. Um, it's a really

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01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 1: gross package, but it it It hits on a lot

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01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 1: of points of like this type of patriarchal conservative brain.

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01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 1: And I think this this this even carries out into

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01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 1: like hatred of trans women, as you know, as trans

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01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:50,200
Speaker 1: women are seen as predators, so they hate trans women

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01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 1: to protect siss women, right, like you it's all of

2138
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 1: this like possession, right, It's it's it's this possession of

2139
01:58:56,360 --> 01:58:58,960
Speaker 1: the body of a female, so you need to protect

2140
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 1: it against the creepy trans women. Right, It's like it's

2141
01:59:02,440 --> 01:59:05,280
Speaker 1: it's all of this idea of like owning women's bodies

2142
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 1: is central to a lot of these ideas of transphobia.

2143
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 1: So we're gonna see a lot more stuff about how

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01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 1: it's going to change from no hormones, no transition until

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01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:19,880
Speaker 1: you're eighteen, to no hormones, no transition until you twenty five,

2146
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:23,320
Speaker 1: to no hormones and no transition at all. This past year,

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01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:26,320
Speaker 1: we've seen many proposed felony healthcare bands for trans youth.

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01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 1: Um said bills have passed in multiple states like Alabama,

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01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:32,920
Speaker 1: which means that it's going to forcibly de transition teens

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01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 1: across the state. In Missouri, there's a similar bill in

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01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:39,720
Speaker 1: the works titled the Save Adolescence from Experimentation Act Um,

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01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:43,440
Speaker 1: which currently applies to individuals younger than eighteen, but Missouri

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01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:46,920
Speaker 1: physicians and healthcare providers under the bill would be prevented

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01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 1: from recommending gender firm in care to patients who are

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01:59:49,560 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 1: under eighteen, and there's already been discussion in legislative sessions

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01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 1: to extend the bill past the age of eighteen. While

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01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 1: debating the bill, seeking to restrict access to gender firm

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01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,920
Speaker 1: and care, so lawmakers suggested that the medical interventions like

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Speaker 1: hormones be withheld from transgender and non barinary individuals until

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Speaker 1: they're twenty five years old. And during a public hearing

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Speaker 1: for the House Bill to six nine, a psychologist, Lorie

2162
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,600
Speaker 1: Hayes testified that she believes in adults under the age

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Speaker 1: of twenty five are unable to fully comprehend the traumatic

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02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 1: and drastic and irreparable quote unquote changes to their bodies

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Speaker 1: that will they will undergo if they receive gender affirming

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02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:33,880
Speaker 1: medical treatments like puberty blockers and hormone therapies also will testifying,

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02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 1: hay Is uh the psychologist said that she supported conversion therapy.

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Speaker 1: So that's surprising too, nobody, Uh, or it shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: It also takes those people to the point where they're

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Speaker 1: not necessarily edigible for their parents healthcare. Right, So, like

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Speaker 1: I think twenty six is the time when you can

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02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:56,080
Speaker 1: do when your to you age out. Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 1: it's again like it's a backdoor like prohibition on transitioning

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Speaker 1: for other people. Yeah, yes, it's it's just trying to

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Speaker 1: stop it at all. It's you can't you can't take

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Speaker 1: their word for it. They just they just don't want

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02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:12,840
Speaker 1: you around. That's it. Like they want you to to

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Speaker 1: kill yourself. They or they want you just to go

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Speaker 1: away or not be tread like that's that's that's what

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02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:22,920
Speaker 1: they want. It's obviously I'm gonna do a few just

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02:01:24,760 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 1: Journal of American Medical Associations found the gender affirming healthcare

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02:01:28,360 --> 02:01:31,080
Speaker 1: include including puberty blockers and hormones between the ages of

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Speaker 1: thirteen and twenty, was associated with lower odds of moderate

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02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:39,960
Speaker 1: or severe depression and seventie lower odds of suicidality. Now.

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Speaker 1: They study published last year by the Trevor Project found

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Speaker 1: that among transgender non binary miners hormone therapy associated with

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Speaker 1: nearly lower odds of recent depression and suicide attempts. So

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Speaker 1: they just want to ban the things that make you

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Speaker 1: more likely to live, right. They just don't want you around.

2190
02:01:56,560 --> 02:02:03,360
Speaker 1: That's the actual message. So back back to just kind

2191
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:06,880
Speaker 1: of extra speaking of just not wanting you around. UM

2192
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Speaker 1: that we're gonna do some updates on Protect Texas Kids.

2193
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:16,760
Speaker 1: The extremely open, extremely transphobic, openly Christian fascists that there

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Speaker 1: are words not mine group based in Texas who organized

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Speaker 1: a lot of events to harass either drag shows or

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Speaker 1: harass Pride events last month. It's leader Kelly Needered. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna that's what I'm gonna say it, um tweeted a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago. Quote let's start rounding up people who

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Speaker 1: participate in Pride events. I wonder what she means by that.

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Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder what. I wonder what that means.

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Speaker 1: Surely doesn't mean she just wants to kill all gay people.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh it does, okay, um And another tweet from

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Speaker 1: the main Protect Texas Kids account was today's protest went.

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02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:03,040
Speaker 1: No children seemed to be in the drag show, but

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02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:06,000
Speaker 1: there were a bunch of adults wearing mouse ears and

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02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:09,000
Speaker 1: watching the men dressed up as Disney princesses dance around

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02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:14,520
Speaker 1: totally normal and not weird. Right, So it's obviously not

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02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 1: about protecting kids, right, Like, it's they that's not the focus.

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Speaker 1: That's not even that's not the focus of their tweet.

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Speaker 1: That's not the focus of what they want, right, Protecting

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02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:26,560
Speaker 1: kids quote unquote is a cheap excuse just to want

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02:03:26,680 --> 02:03:29,840
Speaker 1: to hate gay people and want gay people to go away.

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Speaker 1: That's that's all. That's all it is. We've been like,

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Speaker 1: it's we're kind of retrunning the same ground here, but man,

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02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:40,320
Speaker 1: it's it's so it is still frustrating how many people

2216
02:03:40,360 --> 02:03:42,920
Speaker 1: like fall for the bit it's not. It's not not

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02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 1: about protecting kids, not about saving kids from groomers. You

2218
02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:48,920
Speaker 1: can look at all of the sexual abuse in Evangelical churches,

2219
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:53,120
Speaker 1: Catholic churches, it's Christian summer camps. Whatever, it's not it's

2220
02:03:53,120 --> 02:03:55,640
Speaker 1: not about protecting kids. They don't give a single fuck.

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02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:59,840
Speaker 1: It's about wanting gay people to go away. Now. But

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02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:03,680
Speaker 1: with Kelly Needers and protect Texas Kids accounts, which they

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02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:06,520
Speaker 1: used to organize their Christian fascist events, both of those

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02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,560
Speaker 1: got banned in mid June Kelly has got banned for saying,

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Speaker 1: let's start rounding up people who who participate in Pride events.

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02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:17,920
Speaker 1: But this, this extends beyond Texas, extends beyond Twitter dot com. Right,

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02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:20,920
Speaker 1: Obviously these people were just using Twitter to organize, so

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02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 1: it are already stended out into the real world. But

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02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:25,240
Speaker 1: it's not it's it's not It's not just Texas either.

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02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 1: See I think it's A congressional candidate Mark Burns, who

2231
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:33,160
Speaker 1: is a pro Trump pastor, was running for South Carolina

2232
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 1: House district. He called for the execution of LGBTQ and

2233
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:42,480
Speaker 1: trans people by using grooming rhetoric, and then he laid

2234
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Speaker 1: out exactly how executions could legally be done. So this

2235
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:49,760
Speaker 1: type of like state enforced a genocide. Let's let's play this.

2236
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Speaker 1: Let's play clip. The lgbt transgender grooming our children's minds

2237
02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:59,880
Speaker 1: is a national security threat because it is ultimately the

2238
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:04,120
Speaker 1: zigon to destabilize the republic we called the United States

2239
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:07,280
Speaker 1: of America. That's why when I'm elected, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to just vote. I want to start holding people accountable

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Speaker 1: for treason to the Constitution. I am going to push

2242
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:18,840
Speaker 1: to reenact WHUAC. WHOAC is the House of an American

2243
02:05:19,080 --> 02:05:22,520
Speaker 1: Activities Committee. It was a real committee that was formulated

2244
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:25,040
Speaker 1: back in the fifties, and it's a committee that we

2245
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 1: should re enact that starts holding these people accountable for treason.

2246
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:30,880
Speaker 1: You need to hold people for treason, start having some

2247
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:34,919
Speaker 1: public hearings, and start executing people who are found guilty

2248
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:39,000
Speaker 1: for their treasonous acts against the Constitution of the United

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Speaker 1: States of America, just like they did back in seventeen

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Speaker 1: seventy six. You know what, South Carolina, this is our guy.

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02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:52,960
Speaker 1: It was an amazing the way he misspoken called it

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02:05:53,080 --> 02:05:56,680
Speaker 1: the House off on American Activities. It's like a fun place.

2253
02:05:58,200 --> 02:06:07,320
Speaker 1: So that's not ideal, is it? Of that kind of stuck. Yeah,

2254
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 1: that was really out there. He's yeah, kid advocating. It's

2255
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:14,400
Speaker 1: just it's just it's mainstream. It's trying. They're trying to

2256
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:19,560
Speaker 1: mainstream the political ability to advocate genocide, right, and some

2257
02:06:19,720 --> 02:06:22,080
Speaker 1: of them it's not some of them, it's not fully

2258
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:25,160
Speaker 1: catching on yet. Right, It's we're on the on ramp

2259
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:28,960
Speaker 1: to this um. The South Carolina pastor was defeated by

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Speaker 1: the incumbent Representative William Timmins in the GOP primary for

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02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:38,040
Speaker 1: the state's fourth congressional district. But Pastor Mark Burne's still

2262
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:43,360
Speaker 1: received of the vote, So that's still a lot of people.

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02:06:43,480 --> 02:06:45,680
Speaker 1: That's still a lot of people voting for that, and

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02:06:46,520 --> 02:06:49,760
Speaker 1: that number, I don't think it's gonna shrink. Yeah, and

2265
02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:51,600
Speaker 1: like and it's also it's also worth doing that, like

2266
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 1: everyone loses him, Like it is so unbelievably hard to

2267
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Speaker 1: beat an incumbent in Yeah, i'mory, Like it's just it's yeah,

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02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:03,760
Speaker 1: so like even even if he was just a normal

2269
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:06,600
Speaker 1: guy with like regular politics, you would have lost the election.

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02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:11,120
Speaker 1: So still, yeah, it's not actually a referendum on his popularity,

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02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:15,360
Speaker 1: like the popularity of what you're saying, it's percent of

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02:07:15,400 --> 02:07:18,600
Speaker 1: the vote. Yeah, it's worth noting that. Like even here

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02:07:18,680 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 1: in southern California, right where it's supposedly like very liberal,

2274
02:07:21,320 --> 02:07:25,040
Speaker 1: we had a candidate for sheriff's office who is that

2275
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:28,240
Speaker 1: was a deputy city attorney and was endorsed by the

2276
02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 1: Union Tribune just openly spewing like transphobic groom of stuff

2277
02:07:34,240 --> 02:07:38,560
Speaker 1: yeah a public meetings and getting endorsed by the local newspaper.

2278
02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:40,840
Speaker 1: They were rescinded their endorsement later. But this isn't just

2279
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:43,440
Speaker 1: like a red state thing. If people think that that

2280
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:45,680
Speaker 1: is that No, that's obviously there'd be a lot more

2281
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:48,480
Speaker 1: common the people who run for sheriff, who generally tend

2282
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:54,560
Speaker 1: to be more conservative because they're running for sheriff. Yea true.

2283
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:58,040
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's let's have an add break and

2284
02:07:58,080 --> 02:08:02,400
Speaker 1: then we'll come back to talk about Wait, talk about

2285
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:07,800
Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade and the attack on future rights, including

2286
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:10,480
Speaker 1: the ability to have same sex relationships. Oh wow, what

2287
02:08:10,640 --> 02:08:13,360
Speaker 1: a fun time we have today. All right, we are

2288
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:17,000
Speaker 1: we are back. So after the Supreme Court overturned a rov.

2289
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:20,240
Speaker 1: Wade last month, there was an immediate push for anti gain,

2290
02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:24,760
Speaker 1: anti trans legal challenges using the same legal logic against

2291
02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 1: the right to privacy based off of the the traditions

2292
02:08:28,440 --> 02:08:32,880
Speaker 1: deeply rooted in our nation's history quote unquote. So this

2293
02:08:33,120 --> 02:08:36,440
Speaker 1: was like undoubtedly gonna happen, right, we've been We've been

2294
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:39,800
Speaker 1: proposing that this was a possibility for a while, but

2295
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:43,360
Speaker 1: it was definitely made worse by Justice Clarence Thomas front

2296
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:46,680
Speaker 1: of the Pod, who argued in a concurring opinion that

2297
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:50,520
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court should quote reconsider its past rulings quodifying

2298
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:53,520
Speaker 1: rights such as the right to use contraception, the right

2299
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:56,760
Speaker 1: to have a same sex relationship, and same sex marriage.

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Speaker 1: Invoking Griswold, Lawrence and Oberfeld, three cases having to do

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Speaker 1: with americans fundamental right to privacy, due process, and equal protection,

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02:09:06,080 --> 02:09:09,520
Speaker 1: Thomas wrote, quote, we have a duty to correct the

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02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:16,600
Speaker 1: error regarding these established in those precedents, which pretty grim,

2304
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:22,040
Speaker 1: pretty grim framing there, because that's a bad sign um,

2305
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:25,120
Speaker 1: and we are already seeing stuff like this in effect. Actually,

2306
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:26,840
Speaker 1: we don't need to wait for the Supreme Court to

2307
02:09:26,920 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 1: make rulings states that are starting to do this exact thing. Uh.

2308
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:34,400
Speaker 1: In an ongoing Alabama lawsuit that cites dabs overturning Roe v.

2309
02:09:34,560 --> 02:09:39,880
Speaker 1: Wade about medically detransitioning all trans teenagers, there is this

2310
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:43,400
Speaker 1: deeply threatening turn of phrase quote, no one adult or

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Speaker 1: child has the right to transitioning treatments not deeply rooted

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Speaker 1: in our nation's history and tradition. Ha ha, interesting how

2313
02:09:51,680 --> 02:09:54,839
Speaker 1: they put adult or child there? Isn't that isn't that intriguing?

2314
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Speaker 1: And it's also fun and how the deeply red our

2315
02:09:57,480 --> 02:10:00,240
Speaker 1: nation's history thing is now just sort of like here

2316
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:02,200
Speaker 1: here is the word that you say to let you

2317
02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:04,040
Speaker 1: do fascism, And it's like oh, hey, do you know

2318
02:10:04,120 --> 02:10:05,920
Speaker 1: what it is deeply rooted in our in our nation's

2319
02:10:06,040 --> 02:10:10,880
Speaker 1: uh traditional history, shooting congressman. This is the thing that

2320
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:13,440
Speaker 1: has been done many times, like I mean again, like

2321
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:15,040
Speaker 1: like this, it's like like this is this is the

2322
02:10:15,080 --> 02:10:17,480
Speaker 1: whole like this whole thing. It's just like it's it's

2323
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:20,280
Speaker 1: so the whole thing is it's so incredibly sort of

2324
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:23,640
Speaker 1: nakedly transparent and cynical and like this is you know,

2325
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:25,480
Speaker 1: it's it's a centerd fascist thing, right. We're like we're

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02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:27,120
Speaker 1: going to create some sort of mythical past and then

2327
02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:30,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna like resurrect whatever fucking things existed back then.

2328
02:10:30,160 --> 02:10:32,200
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, hey, what actually existed back then? I

2329
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:34,040
Speaker 1: don't know. People try to kill the government all the time.

2330
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Speaker 1: They're really they're really playing from like the lower Keith

2331
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:43,160
Speaker 1: t traditionalist framework here. Um, They're they're doing all the

2332
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Speaker 1: bits we thought they would do. It's not great. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Late last month, during the end of Pride, Texas Republican

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02:10:51,120 --> 02:10:55,080
Speaker 1: Party unveiled it's updated official position on lgbt Q issues,

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02:10:55,200 --> 02:11:01,120
Speaker 1: definding homosexuality as quote an abnormal lifestyle choice unquote and

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02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:07,600
Speaker 1: also opposing quote all efforts to validate transgender identity. The

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02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:10,120
Speaker 1: party's new official stance on lgbt Q issues wasn't veiled

2338
02:11:10,200 --> 02:11:13,760
Speaker 1: during Pride Month and as advocates fight against record number

2339
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:16,800
Speaker 1: of anti lgbt Q bills introduced in states across the

2340
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Speaker 1: country this year, more than three hundred and forty bills,

2341
02:11:20,200 --> 02:11:23,280
Speaker 1: according to the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest lgbt

2342
02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:26,560
Speaker 1: Q advocacy group on the legal front. Thousands of Republican

2343
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:30,520
Speaker 1: activists met at the party's biennial convention in Houston in

2344
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:33,080
Speaker 1: mid June to agree to the party's platform on a

2345
02:11:33,200 --> 02:11:37,680
Speaker 1: range of issues, including the rejection of the election results

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02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:43,360
Speaker 1: and a call to a repeal the nineteen Voting Rights Act,

2347
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:49,560
Speaker 1: which was in acted to prevent discrimination against black voters. Ah,

2348
02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:52,960
Speaker 1: this is I would say this is a mask off moment,

2349
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:54,840
Speaker 1: but they've never had the mask on in the first

2350
02:11:55,240 --> 02:11:58,240
Speaker 1: People like, that's that's like that that's specific one. That

2351
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:01,960
Speaker 1: is a thing, like like half of the Republican Party's

2352
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 1: platform has been people suing about the Voting Rights Act

2353
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:08,200
Speaker 1: exact exactly. It's not actually a mask off. It's just

2354
02:12:08,280 --> 02:12:10,320
Speaker 1: that they're doing it louder than they were doing it before.

2355
02:12:11,960 --> 02:12:17,520
Speaker 1: The section titled Homosexuality and Gender issues, UM had the

2356
02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:20,360
Speaker 1: party stating that LGBTQ people should have no legal protection

2357
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:24,480
Speaker 1: from discrimination and in fact suggested intent to ensure people's

2358
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:27,640
Speaker 1: ability to do hate speech and hate crimes. Part of

2359
02:12:27,800 --> 02:12:31,840
Speaker 1: the forty page resolution reads, quote, homosexuality is an abnormal

2360
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:34,960
Speaker 1: lifestyle choice. We believe there should be no granting of

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02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:38,680
Speaker 1: special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior,

2362
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Speaker 1: regardless of state of origin. And we oppose any criminal

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02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:47,200
Speaker 1: or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction,

2364
02:12:47,640 --> 02:12:56,840
Speaker 1: or belief in traditional values. Ha. I just I just

2365
02:12:56,920 --> 02:12:59,200
Speaker 1: want to put it on the record here that like

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02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:01,480
Speaker 1: the number of a number of my friends who have

2367
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:06,560
Speaker 1: been attacked like in the last three months is it's

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02:13:06,600 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 1: a lot. I got, I got called I got, I

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02:13:10,440 --> 02:13:12,320
Speaker 1: got called a faggot for the first time in the

2370
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:16,320
Speaker 1: Straights of Portland a few months ago. It's it's, it's,

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02:13:16,440 --> 02:13:19,400
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's accelerating, it's it's going, it's it's

2372
02:13:19,480 --> 02:13:23,280
Speaker 1: it's going. Um. But yeah, I mean, specifically, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of this, the last part of that resolution

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02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:29,680
Speaker 1: there about you know, opposing any civil penalty is against

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02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:31,800
Speaker 1: those who oppose homosexuality out of faith. I think that's

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02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:35,600
Speaker 1: that's probably definitely a referencing Steadfast Baptist Church, the church

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02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:40,640
Speaker 1: that just opens that openly advocates the genocide of queer people,

2378
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:43,560
Speaker 1: which we've talked about in our in our last City

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02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:46,080
Speaker 1: of Hate episode. I think I think they're also trying

2380
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:50,480
Speaker 1: to go back to like the whole like cake bullshit thing.

2381
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:54,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, obviously stuff like that. It's like, it's we honestly,

2382
02:13:54,880 --> 02:13:57,520
Speaker 1: we are so past the cake problem now because now

2383
02:13:57,600 --> 02:14:01,240
Speaker 1: they just want to know there's murder. They just wanted

2384
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:03,600
Speaker 1: to like mass, they just want to do mass. Gend

2385
02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:08,120
Speaker 1: as side, like, I'm so overcakes. Like and in the

2386
02:14:08,200 --> 02:14:11,640
Speaker 1: trend of increasing the age barrier of gender affirming healthcare

2387
02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:15,240
Speaker 1: into adulthood, the Texas Republicans called for the ban of

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02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:19,240
Speaker 1: gender affirming healthcare, including the distribution of huberty blockers or

2389
02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:23,560
Speaker 1: hormone supressing therapies and the UH and the performance of

2390
02:14:23,640 --> 02:14:26,840
Speaker 1: gender affirming surgeries to anyone under the age of twenty one.

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02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:29,880
Speaker 1: So that is the new Texas Republican official position is

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02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:32,280
Speaker 1: that these things should be banned UH for under the

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02:14:32,320 --> 02:14:34,920
Speaker 1: age of one. And that's not a that's not a

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02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:37,600
Speaker 1: hard cap. They're gonna keep raising that cap as often

2395
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:40,320
Speaker 1: as they can, and as proof, I will offer up

2396
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:44,240
Speaker 1: the past thirty five minutes an episode, like everything we've

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02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:46,840
Speaker 1: said in the past thirty five minutes is supporting the

2398
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:53,440
Speaker 1: opinion that that cap they wanted to go up. Yeah. Uture.

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02:14:53,480 --> 02:14:57,280
Speaker 1: They also simultaneously advocate for like heterosexual relationship age of

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02:14:57,360 --> 02:15:00,920
Speaker 1: consent to just dromp oh yeah, like twelve years old.

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02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah um. Speaking of speaking of Texas, near the end

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02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:10,880
Speaker 1: of June, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who sent us

2403
02:15:10,920 --> 02:15:13,880
Speaker 1: office home in the celebration of the overturning of Roe v. Wade,

2404
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:18,520
Speaker 1: said that he will defend Texas anti sodomy law. It's

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02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:22,480
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court revisit's lawrence view Texas. I'm gonna play

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02:15:23,200 --> 02:15:27,680
Speaker 1: extremely frustrating clip here, here's a fun time. I'm sure

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02:15:27,720 --> 02:15:31,280
Speaker 1: you read uh Justice Thomas's concurrence where he said that

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02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:34,680
Speaker 1: there were a number of other of these issues grizz wald,

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02:15:35,240 --> 02:15:38,680
Speaker 1: uh lawrence and ogofell that he felt needs to be

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02:15:39,120 --> 02:15:43,640
Speaker 1: looked at again. Obviously, the lawrence case came from Texas.

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02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:48,080
Speaker 1: That was the what outlawed sodomy? Would you, as Attorney

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02:15:48,160 --> 02:15:52,560
Speaker 1: general be comfortable defending a law that once again outlawed

2413
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:57,680
Speaker 1: sodomy that questioned Lawrence again, or Griswold, or gay marriage

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02:15:58,120 --> 02:16:00,560
Speaker 1: that came from the state legislature to put to the test.

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02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:03,840
Speaker 1: With Justice Thomas said, yeah, I mean, there's all kinds

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02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:07,040
Speaker 1: of issues here, but certainly the Supreme Court has stepped

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02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:09,760
Speaker 1: into issues that I don't think there was any constitutional

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02:16:09,800 --> 02:16:13,240
Speaker 1: provision dealing with. They were legislative issues, and this is

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02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:15,440
Speaker 1: one of those issues, and there may be more. So

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02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:18,040
Speaker 1: it would depend on the issue and depending on what

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02:16:18,160 --> 02:16:21,800
Speaker 1: state law it says at the time, And just just

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02:16:22,360 --> 02:16:24,320
Speaker 1: for the sake of time here, you wouldn't rule out

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02:16:24,440 --> 02:16:27,120
Speaker 1: that if the state legislature passed the exact same law

2424
02:16:27,240 --> 02:16:31,000
Speaker 1: that that Lawrence overturned on sodomy, you wouldn't have any

2425
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:33,640
Speaker 1: problem then defending that and taking that case back to

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02:16:33,720 --> 02:16:37,400
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Yeah. Look, my job is defend state

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02:16:37,520 --> 02:16:39,960
Speaker 1: law and I'll continue to do that. That is my

2428
02:16:40,120 --> 02:16:45,800
Speaker 1: job into the Constitution, and I'm so First of all,

2429
02:16:46,240 --> 02:16:50,000
Speaker 1: in this clip of Kenpacton, he looks like a zombie.

2430
02:16:53,920 --> 02:16:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with his face, but

2431
02:16:56,879 --> 02:17:03,160
Speaker 1: his ECUs twitching in a way that looks really uncanny.

2432
02:17:03,440 --> 02:17:05,880
Speaker 1: He looks like he like, look at look at this

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02:17:05,959 --> 02:17:09,680
Speaker 1: man's face, Look at what is going on. That's an

2434
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:14,280
Speaker 1: unfortunate pause. No, he looks aet in motion too. It's

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02:17:14,320 --> 02:17:19,560
Speaker 1: not an unfortunate pause. He just looks. There is something

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02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:22,160
Speaker 1: going wrong with Ken Paxton. We need you to the

2437
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:25,720
Speaker 1: bottom of this. But also all of that stuff about

2438
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:31,560
Speaker 1: make enforcing laws against sodomy, making gay sex illegal, they

2439
02:17:31,560 --> 02:17:34,520
Speaker 1: don't want gay people to find because what they're actually saying, um,

2440
02:17:35,879 --> 02:17:38,240
Speaker 1: and if you do, they want to send you to jail. Um.

2441
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:42,760
Speaker 1: So that's something that Ken Paxton wants wants to do

2442
02:17:43,560 --> 02:17:47,360
Speaker 1: um wrapped in very flowery language about defending the laws

2443
02:17:47,560 --> 02:17:52,040
Speaker 1: on record, that laws that you are enforcing, therefore you're

2444
02:17:52,120 --> 02:18:00,280
Speaker 1: making the laws in effect. Um ha. So one one

2445
02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:01,720
Speaker 1: aspect of this that I want to touch on again

2446
02:18:01,800 --> 02:18:04,360
Speaker 1: before we close out in our in Our City of

2447
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:07,480
Speaker 1: Hate episodes about the Christian fascists in Dallas attacking drag

2448
02:18:07,520 --> 02:18:11,720
Speaker 1: shows and Steadfast Baptist Church, and even in some of

2449
02:18:11,720 --> 02:18:13,600
Speaker 1: the stuff that we've gone over in this episode, right,

2450
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:18,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about like government approved extermination um,

2451
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:23,400
Speaker 1: whether that be like for treason, for Unamerican acts, executions

2452
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:27,040
Speaker 1: based off Biblical law, rounding up people for degenerate or

2453
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:32,760
Speaker 1: deviant behavior, arresting doctors for performing gender affirming surgeries. There's

2454
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:35,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like talk around, like the government's

2455
02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:44,080
Speaker 1: ability to legally gen side people. Um. But the other

2456
02:18:44,160 --> 02:18:46,800
Speaker 1: aspect of this is like the vigilante justice angle of

2457
02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:51,440
Speaker 1: people wanting to just do physical violence themselves. And there's

2458
02:18:51,440 --> 02:18:53,160
Speaker 1: a way that these two things can intersect in a

2459
02:18:53,240 --> 02:18:56,680
Speaker 1: really interesting way. I'm gonna play one one last clip here.

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02:18:57,480 --> 02:19:01,600
Speaker 1: You know some teachers pushing X values on your third grader.

2461
02:19:01,640 --> 02:19:03,320
Speaker 1: Why aren't you going to thrash the teacher talk to

2462
02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:06,840
Speaker 1: an orongal person's kids about sex in kindergarten? You get

2463
02:19:06,920 --> 02:19:09,320
Speaker 1: beaten up. You should be beaten up. Please. If I

2464
02:19:09,520 --> 02:19:12,800
Speaker 1: was a parent and my fifth grade daughter had had

2465
02:19:12,879 --> 02:19:16,040
Speaker 1: to sleep and shower in some kind of cabin at

2466
02:19:16,120 --> 02:19:18,360
Speaker 1: some summer camp that I paid money to send my

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02:19:18,480 --> 02:19:21,560
Speaker 1: child to, and there was a man calling himself a

2468
02:19:21,640 --> 02:19:24,320
Speaker 1: woman sleeping in her cabin, my husband would have beat

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02:19:24,360 --> 02:19:26,640
Speaker 1: him into the ground. Where are the men actually standing

2470
02:19:26,720 --> 02:19:29,160
Speaker 1: up against these men who think they are women that

2471
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:31,760
Speaker 1: are trying to compete in these females. Sports shouldn't put

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02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:34,600
Speaker 1: up with it anymore. You need to intervene. You need

2473
02:19:34,640 --> 02:19:37,040
Speaker 1: to show up to the sporting like this is not happening. Actually,

2474
02:19:37,200 --> 02:19:40,440
Speaker 1: there is almost nothing that can be done. Uh that

2475
02:19:40,959 --> 02:19:43,000
Speaker 1: is uh, that is over the line to stop that.

2476
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:45,280
Speaker 1: It's disgusting. There was a time in this country of

2477
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:48,040
Speaker 1: just a little more decency where if someone even voiced

2478
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:49,959
Speaker 1: the idea of taking your kid to a drag show

2479
02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:53,240
Speaker 1: to be arrested, they are underqualified to have children. They

2480
02:19:53,240 --> 02:19:55,920
Speaker 1: should have their children taken away from them because it's

2481
02:19:55,959 --> 02:20:00,280
Speaker 1: child abuse. So that's a lot of stuff, but rent

2482
02:20:00,320 --> 02:20:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, it fluctuates between talking about people taking this

2483
02:20:03,480 --> 02:20:05,440
Speaker 1: into their own hands in a very like obviously like

2484
02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:10,200
Speaker 1: misogynistic and transphobic way. Again, it's about like the access

2485
02:20:10,400 --> 02:20:14,680
Speaker 1: to you know, protecting access to the feminine body um,

2486
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,240
Speaker 1: and then a lot of other stuff around, you know,

2487
02:20:18,480 --> 02:20:21,640
Speaker 1: the government arrested people and try it's about it. It's

2488
02:20:21,640 --> 02:20:24,960
Speaker 1: a mix between like doing stuffy yourself, you know, in

2489
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:28,760
Speaker 1: a form of like the vigilante um um or you know,

2490
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:32,960
Speaker 1: eventually advocating for the for the government's ability to do this. Now,

2491
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:35,520
Speaker 1: we we've covered a number of incidents of like a

2492
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:40,920
Speaker 1: violence or of things that that we're escalating to the

2493
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:44,760
Speaker 1: point of that right before it stopped. UM. Across you know,

2494
02:20:44,959 --> 02:20:48,120
Speaker 1: the Dallas area, we talked about stuff in Boise, Idaho

2495
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:51,360
Speaker 1: with Patriot Front. We talked about the Proud Boys who

2496
02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:54,680
Speaker 1: stormed the library outside of San Francisco. UM, I think

2497
02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:57,040
Speaker 1: those are in our in our I think I talked

2498
02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:59,320
Speaker 1: about most of those across a few of the city

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02:20:59,320 --> 02:21:03,800
Speaker 1: of haid episode. UM. Then we have uh there's but

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02:21:03,879 --> 02:21:07,200
Speaker 1: there there is other incidents outside of just those cities. UM.

2501
02:21:07,640 --> 02:21:11,360
Speaker 1: In Atlanta, a youth justice group was forced to cancel

2502
02:21:11,440 --> 02:21:14,280
Speaker 1: their rally in support of trans rights after an organizer

2503
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:19,680
Speaker 1: received a specific quote vulgar death threat. In Calama, Washington,

2504
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:22,280
Speaker 1: a school was put on lockdown after an anti transit

2505
02:21:22,320 --> 02:21:26,680
Speaker 1: student threatened a mass shooting following a broad student walkout

2506
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:29,960
Speaker 1: in support of a trans classmate who had been assaulted. UM.

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02:21:30,959 --> 02:21:35,000
Speaker 1: People graffited pervs work here on an elementary school in

2508
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:38,600
Speaker 1: Venture County, California, following a local right wing papers story

2509
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:42,160
Speaker 1: about a third grade teacher who affirmed a trans students

2510
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:45,200
Speaker 1: name and pronouns. In the lead up to Pride Month,

2511
02:21:45,240 --> 02:21:50,160
Speaker 1: and anti LGBTQ activist named Ethan Schmidt Crockett vowed to

2512
02:21:50,520 --> 02:21:53,600
Speaker 1: hunt gay people and trans people and their allies at

2513
02:21:53,760 --> 02:21:57,760
Speaker 1: target stores um following the story's decision to celebrate Pride.

2514
02:21:57,840 --> 02:22:00,600
Speaker 1: He made the same threat a month before. In June,

2515
02:22:00,720 --> 02:22:03,039
Speaker 1: he attended the counter protest of a pro gun control

2516
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:05,400
Speaker 1: March of Our Lives demonstration carrying an a R fifteen.

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02:22:06,200 --> 02:22:09,240
Speaker 1: In Kiel, Wisconsin, schools are forced to shut down and

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Speaker 1: go virtual after bomb threats were made in response to

2519
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:16,200
Speaker 1: the district's investigation of anti trans harassment by three students.

2520
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:20,520
Speaker 1: Something I've been thinking about a lot the past few

2521
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:25,560
Speaker 1: weeks is that even before Roevwade was overturned, multiple states

2522
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:28,760
Speaker 1: enacted laws for like vigilante bounty hunters to do the

2523
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:32,080
Speaker 1: work of the state that the state wasn't legally allowed

2524
02:22:32,120 --> 02:22:36,080
Speaker 1: to do yet like directly right, And so they were

2525
02:22:36,160 --> 02:22:39,960
Speaker 1: getting regular people to combat and intimidate providers into not

2526
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:43,560
Speaker 1: doing abortion procedures. And we're already seeing an increase in

2527
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:47,039
Speaker 1: physical attacks targeting queer people. And I think many more

2528
02:22:47,320 --> 02:22:50,560
Speaker 1: regular people are waiting for the state government's permission to

2529
02:22:50,600 --> 02:22:52,760
Speaker 1: do the same thing. We don't need to wait for

2530
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:56,840
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to say gay sex can be made illegal, right.

2531
02:22:57,200 --> 02:23:00,720
Speaker 1: States can already start doing this stuff now. And there's

2532
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:03,120
Speaker 1: already people waiting in the wings, and as soon as

2533
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:05,960
Speaker 1: they get to go ahead, they will jump at this opportunity.

2534
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play one final clip that is pretty pretty grim.

2535
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:16,040
Speaker 1: I just said a man tell me in public that

2536
02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:21,480
Speaker 1: he can't wait until he's legally able, until he's legally

2537
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:32,080
Speaker 1: able to hunt me. Now, I had a man in

2538
02:23:32,440 --> 02:23:43,400
Speaker 1: public he can't wait until he can legally hunt us down.

2539
02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:53,120
Speaker 1: This is not okay. This is not okay. So that

2540
02:23:53,280 --> 02:23:56,400
Speaker 1: was a queer person who lives in Oklahoma talking about

2541
02:23:56,440 --> 02:24:02,160
Speaker 1: something that happened to them last month. M and I

2542
02:24:02,280 --> 02:24:05,240
Speaker 1: try to when I make these episodes, I try to

2543
02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:07,119
Speaker 1: not just lay out a whole bunch of bad things

2544
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:09,760
Speaker 1: to be like, here's a problem, all right by everybody,

2545
02:24:09,879 --> 02:24:13,440
Speaker 1: like because that sucks, but also I don't know what

2546
02:24:13,560 --> 02:24:18,680
Speaker 1: the solution here is, because this sucks. Of The California

2547
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:22,640
Speaker 1: House and Senate just passed bill uh S B one

2548
02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:26,279
Speaker 1: oh seven. This bill would provide many protections for families

2549
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:29,760
Speaker 1: fleeing states like Texas and Alabama. It would protect them

2550
02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:33,280
Speaker 1: from extradition, from out of state investigations and from out

2551
02:24:33,320 --> 02:24:38,320
Speaker 1: of state custody judgments based on providing gender affirming healthcare.

2552
02:24:38,760 --> 02:24:41,000
Speaker 1: The bill is currently in review by the California Committee

2553
02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:43,080
Speaker 1: on Appropriations, and then it would need to be signed

2554
02:24:43,160 --> 02:24:46,440
Speaker 1: by the governor. If your state doesn't have a trans

2555
02:24:46,959 --> 02:24:50,680
Speaker 1: sanctuary law on the docket, maybe it's time to ask

2556
02:24:50,680 --> 02:24:53,920
Speaker 1: your representative about that. UM, preferably maybe when they're like

2557
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:58,080
Speaker 1: out at dinner or at church. UM. But also like

2558
02:25:00,920 --> 02:25:04,320
Speaker 1: even getting to the point where we're making plans to

2559
02:25:04,440 --> 02:25:06,880
Speaker 1: flee to other states, when trans people are forced to

2560
02:25:06,920 --> 02:25:10,320
Speaker 1: make plans to flee out of country, when you're investigating

2561
02:25:10,920 --> 02:25:13,640
Speaker 1: what kind of citizenship you can get based on your

2562
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:19,640
Speaker 1: ancestral family history. Once we're at that point, it's really hard,

2563
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:24,320
Speaker 1: like it's it's and in my discussions with queer friends

2564
02:25:24,440 --> 02:25:27,280
Speaker 1: the past few like the past few weeks, we've been

2565
02:25:27,320 --> 02:25:30,120
Speaker 1: having more and more conversations about that, more and more

2566
02:25:30,200 --> 02:25:35,320
Speaker 1: plans about when things really do fully breakdown, where do

2567
02:25:35,440 --> 02:25:37,960
Speaker 1: we go what do we do? Like and it sucks

2568
02:25:37,959 --> 02:25:40,800
Speaker 1: because there's so many people who live in states like Oklahoma,

2569
02:25:40,920 --> 02:25:44,360
Speaker 1: like Texas right where that's people's homes, that's where that's

2570
02:25:44,360 --> 02:25:46,680
Speaker 1: where these queer people are living, and they shouldn't be

2571
02:25:46,760 --> 02:25:51,320
Speaker 1: forced to leave like they that that shouldn't happen. And

2572
02:25:51,480 --> 02:25:53,720
Speaker 1: we have great folks like the Elm Fork John Brown

2573
02:25:53,800 --> 02:25:55,800
Speaker 1: Gun Club, to think, are providing a really good example

2574
02:25:56,200 --> 02:25:58,920
Speaker 1: of how queer people can work together to start doing

2575
02:25:59,000 --> 02:26:02,200
Speaker 1: community defense your own areas. Uh to say no, this

2576
02:26:02,320 --> 02:26:04,959
Speaker 1: is our home too, and we're gonna fucking walk around

2577
02:26:04,959 --> 02:26:08,480
Speaker 1: with rifles to defend it if we have to. Um. Obviously,

2578
02:26:08,520 --> 02:26:11,560
Speaker 1: not everyone mentally is able to do that, right, but

2579
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:16,480
Speaker 1: there's there's there's other ways to get in, get more

2580
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:20,200
Speaker 1: connected to your local community, to strengthen like queer areas

2581
02:26:20,400 --> 02:26:23,600
Speaker 1: inside you know states where these things are happening. The

2582
02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:25,360
Speaker 1: other thing I see a lot with queer people that

2583
02:26:25,440 --> 02:26:29,600
Speaker 1: makes me really sad is that fighting the state right,

2584
02:26:29,800 --> 02:26:33,440
Speaker 1: fighting these types of big homophobic institutions who want to

2585
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:37,520
Speaker 1: kill us, that's hard and scary. We feel so powerless.

2586
02:26:37,720 --> 02:26:40,080
Speaker 1: We we want to feel like we have any agency,

2587
02:26:40,120 --> 02:26:41,640
Speaker 1: want to feel like we have any power at all,

2588
02:26:41,959 --> 02:26:44,480
Speaker 1: because there's so many people with power who are hurting us,

2589
02:26:44,920 --> 02:26:47,520
Speaker 1: and it's hard to actually fight back against those. But

2590
02:26:47,640 --> 02:26:49,960
Speaker 1: we feel powerless, so we want to feel like we're able.

2591
02:26:50,280 --> 02:26:53,680
Speaker 1: So instead we turn on other people who are within

2592
02:26:53,720 --> 02:26:57,200
Speaker 1: our own communities because it's easier to attack people who

2593
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:00,040
Speaker 1: are like us. It's it's it's it's easier to to

2594
02:27:00,320 --> 02:27:02,120
Speaker 1: to do to do that, right, it still gives you

2595
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:05,800
Speaker 1: a sense of having agency. But they're trying to murder

2596
02:27:05,920 --> 02:27:10,040
Speaker 1: us all like personally disagreements on politics or whatever aside,

2597
02:27:10,120 --> 02:27:13,520
Speaker 1: Like it would be really nice if we stop just

2598
02:27:14,160 --> 02:27:18,120
Speaker 1: doing nonsense fighting with each other and doing dumb like

2599
02:27:18,879 --> 02:27:22,720
Speaker 1: click drama, dumb discourse like they're trying to they're trying

2600
02:27:22,760 --> 02:27:25,480
Speaker 1: to kill us. Can we not? Can we not do that?

2601
02:27:26,120 --> 02:27:28,199
Speaker 1: I know you want to find some way to push

2602
02:27:28,280 --> 02:27:30,200
Speaker 1: back on something so you feel like you have an

2603
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:33,720
Speaker 1: ability to do anything. And doing it against the police,

2604
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:37,200
Speaker 1: doing against your state governments, doing it against the Supreme Court,

2605
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:39,720
Speaker 1: that's much harder, right, It's easier to do it against

2606
02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, a friend of yours or someone who used

2607
02:27:42,320 --> 02:27:48,400
Speaker 1: to be friends with that's so much easier. But that's

2608
02:27:48,600 --> 02:27:53,280
Speaker 1: not helping in their attempts to just do genocide. So

2609
02:27:53,680 --> 02:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I think making plans to get out of where you are,

2610
02:27:57,360 --> 02:28:02,240
Speaker 1: if you have to, making plans is necessary. Sometimes I've

2611
02:28:02,400 --> 02:28:04,880
Speaker 1: I've thought of this, I've been even me in the

2612
02:28:04,920 --> 02:28:08,240
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest have had have have had many thoughts about that.

2613
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:13,960
Speaker 1: It's also very important to start strengthening your relationships with

2614
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:17,280
Speaker 1: other queer people in your communities and starting to put

2615
02:28:17,360 --> 02:28:21,880
Speaker 1: together ways to work with them. UM, to make a

2616
02:28:21,959 --> 02:28:24,800
Speaker 1: show for uce and say hey, we're here, We're not

2617
02:28:24,879 --> 02:28:27,720
Speaker 1: gonna we're here to stay right now. You can't you

2618
02:28:27,760 --> 02:28:30,280
Speaker 1: can't scare us out right now, because there needs to

2619
02:28:30,320 --> 02:28:34,360
Speaker 1: be some way to combat it, because these people they're

2620
02:28:34,400 --> 02:28:39,240
Speaker 1: trying to do they're trying to be regressive right like there,

2621
02:28:39,800 --> 02:28:42,200
Speaker 1: we are already at a point that we progressed far

2622
02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:45,680
Speaker 1: enough that there. They are scared of how much progress

2623
02:28:45,720 --> 02:28:47,480
Speaker 1: has happened, so they're trying to turn the clock back.

2624
02:28:48,120 --> 02:28:51,160
Speaker 1: Our challenge is to keep the change coming and push

2625
02:28:51,280 --> 02:28:53,640
Speaker 1: back against these people who are trying to hold on

2626
02:28:53,840 --> 02:28:56,840
Speaker 1: to the dead twentieth century. Right. The fear of change

2627
02:28:56,959 --> 02:28:59,560
Speaker 1: and the fear of the future is driving their return

2628
02:28:59,640 --> 02:29:02,440
Speaker 1: to the asked, we don't need to just run away,

2629
02:29:02,560 --> 02:29:05,200
Speaker 1: because we should. We should be winning this fight in

2630
02:29:05,320 --> 02:29:09,520
Speaker 1: some ways because we already hold We already hold the

2631
02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:12,400
Speaker 1: ground that they want to take away from us. So, yeah,

2632
02:29:12,600 --> 02:29:16,800
Speaker 1: bad stuff is coming, but just because bad things happened

2633
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:18,680
Speaker 1: in history doesn't mean they need to happen again, like

2634
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:22,720
Speaker 1: we there is ways to intervene to stop this, UM,

2635
02:29:23,520 --> 02:29:27,840
Speaker 1: should you keep your passports renewed? Yes, you obviously should. Um,

2636
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:31,600
Speaker 1: But we don't just need to run away because we

2637
02:29:31,720 --> 02:29:35,000
Speaker 1: actually have ground to stand on here. So yeah, and

2638
02:29:35,320 --> 02:29:36,880
Speaker 1: I think I think one thing is also important to

2639
02:29:36,879 --> 02:29:39,760
Speaker 1: remember is that the people who got us here we're

2640
02:29:39,800 --> 02:29:44,520
Speaker 1: facing way way worse solids than we are. Yeah, people

2641
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:48,520
Speaker 1: who had to do this. Yeah, And so like, like

2642
02:29:48,680 --> 02:29:51,520
Speaker 1: the job that we have is incredibly intimidating, it is

2643
02:29:51,560 --> 02:29:53,520
Speaker 1: also easier than the stuff that has already been done.

2644
02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:59,200
Speaker 1: We already we already got to this point facing extremely

2645
02:29:59,280 --> 02:30:04,440
Speaker 1: harsh condition and we already got there. Um. I don't know,

2646
02:30:04,560 --> 02:30:07,600
Speaker 1: it's just it's always struggling to try to find ways

2647
02:30:07,720 --> 02:30:09,600
Speaker 1: to think about this that gives you a little bit

2648
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:12,959
Speaker 1: of like, you know, it's just like it's so easy

2649
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:14,560
Speaker 1: to be a duomer. It's so easy just to say

2650
02:30:14,600 --> 02:30:16,600
Speaker 1: we're all funk, we all need to move away. That's

2651
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:20,480
Speaker 1: the simple solution. But there's most simple things are also

2652
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:24,680
Speaker 1: usually incomplete and wrong. So just trying to find other

2653
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:27,680
Speaker 1: ways to think about this problem. Because we don't need

2654
02:30:27,720 --> 02:30:30,880
Speaker 1: to tell for people to run away, um, and you

2655
02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:34,160
Speaker 1: don't need to tell them they have to fight either. Um.

2656
02:30:34,959 --> 02:30:37,360
Speaker 1: You know, people can make their own decisions and offer

2657
02:30:37,440 --> 02:30:42,680
Speaker 1: their own resources and start operating in a network that

2658
02:30:42,959 --> 02:30:47,160
Speaker 1: helps the survival of all of us and increasingly challenging times.

2659
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:50,960
Speaker 1: And I should also say, like non queer people like,

2660
02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:54,680
Speaker 1: look that the defining characteristic at this moment is that

2661
02:30:54,760 --> 02:30:57,800
Speaker 1: there is a silent, silent majority that supports crew rights. Yeah,

2662
02:30:57,879 --> 02:31:01,600
Speaker 1: and if if the the the the the only way

2663
02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:04,200
Speaker 1: that we actually lose this is if is if that

2664
02:31:04,280 --> 02:31:07,640
Speaker 1: majority does nothing. But if that, if that majority moves,

2665
02:31:07,800 --> 02:31:09,720
Speaker 1: if this is people who actually believe in this stuff,

2666
02:31:09,720 --> 02:31:12,560
Speaker 1: and if the non queer people who actually believe that

2667
02:31:12,600 --> 02:31:13,920
Speaker 1: we should have rights and we should be able to

2668
02:31:13,959 --> 02:31:16,760
Speaker 1: live our lives do stuff, we will fucking crush these people.

2669
02:31:16,920 --> 02:31:19,320
Speaker 1: They will be remembered as a fucking grain of dust

2670
02:31:19,760 --> 02:31:21,840
Speaker 1: in the sand that was crushed by the tide of history.

2671
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:25,120
Speaker 1: And we can do that. We can destroy them. We can,

2672
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:27,280
Speaker 1: we can, we can, we can make it for we

2673
02:31:27,320 --> 02:31:30,800
Speaker 1: can make this moment in history a incredibly brief blip

2674
02:31:30,920 --> 02:31:32,560
Speaker 1: where people are like, oh, hey, that was wasn't it

2675
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:35,120
Speaker 1: weird when homophobia came back for like three years and

2676
02:31:35,160 --> 02:31:38,520
Speaker 1: then it was just gone again. That that that that

2677
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:42,080
Speaker 1: is in our power. We just have to do it yep,

2678
02:31:42,720 --> 02:31:50,040
Speaker 1: all right, well, strength and community relations. Stop stop doing

2679
02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:53,360
Speaker 1: nonsense in fighting for no good reason because you want

2680
02:31:53,400 --> 02:31:57,560
Speaker 1: to feel powerful, put that effort into actually finding the

2681
02:31:57,560 --> 02:31:59,160
Speaker 1: people that are trying to hurt you, or put that

2682
02:31:59,240 --> 02:32:07,600
Speaker 1: effort into making friends. That does it for us today.

2683
02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:11,480
Speaker 1: That was my episode on the increase in queer extermination.

2684
02:32:11,560 --> 02:32:31,440
Speaker 1: Is um um Yeah, see you on the other side. Hello,

2685
02:32:31,560 --> 02:32:35,160
Speaker 1: and welcome to it could happen here a podcast about

2686
02:32:35,240 --> 02:32:39,080
Speaker 1: things that could happen, or, in today's case, are about

2687
02:32:39,240 --> 02:32:42,240
Speaker 1: to happen. I want to talk to you today about

2688
02:32:42,280 --> 02:32:45,760
Speaker 1: the Friendship Park, which exists between San Diego and Tijuana.

2689
02:32:46,959 --> 02:32:49,400
Speaker 1: If you haven't spent time at the border, it's difficult

2690
02:32:49,440 --> 02:32:53,000
Speaker 1: to understand how, despite getting bigger and uglier every year,

2691
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:57,440
Speaker 1: it feels at once omnipresent and non existent. Friendship Park

2692
02:32:57,520 --> 02:32:59,760
Speaker 1: was always one of the places where the boarder loomed,

2693
02:33:00,040 --> 02:33:02,160
Speaker 1: but it never quite managed to beat out the tremendous

2694
02:33:02,200 --> 02:33:04,959
Speaker 1: feelings of goodwill you could experience there on a Saturday morning,

2695
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:08,119
Speaker 1: on a piece of sand next to a steel fence

2696
02:33:08,760 --> 02:33:12,800
Speaker 1: that demarcates the end of the United States. Boarders exist

2697
02:33:12,920 --> 02:33:16,120
Speaker 1: to control us, not to protect us, and it is

2698
02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:19,240
Speaker 1: never more apparent than it was at Friendship Park, where

2699
02:33:19,280 --> 02:33:23,200
Speaker 1: you could watch grandparents meeting grandkids, dreamers checking in with

2700
02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:27,680
Speaker 1: their parents. A Friendship Park, half century old institution that

2701
02:33:27,720 --> 02:33:30,160
Speaker 1: allowed family divided by the border to meet across the

2702
02:33:30,280 --> 02:33:34,760
Speaker 1: French The borders certainly didn't make anyone feel safer, but

2703
02:33:35,240 --> 02:33:37,640
Speaker 1: over time, people who had never set foot on the

2704
02:33:37,720 --> 02:33:40,840
Speaker 1: two miles of sand and Imperial Beach that many families

2705
02:33:40,879 --> 02:33:44,360
Speaker 1: walked across weekly to be together made laws that would

2706
02:33:44,360 --> 02:33:46,600
Speaker 1: make it even harder for those families to be together.

2707
02:33:48,000 --> 02:33:51,280
Speaker 1: For decades, the park was the only places mixed immigration

2708
02:33:51,320 --> 02:33:55,360
Speaker 1: status families could come together. People flew from across the

2709
02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:57,480
Speaker 1: US to meet relatives who are trying to make the

2710
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:01,240
Speaker 1: crossing north to join their friends and loved ones. It

2711
02:34:01,320 --> 02:34:03,680
Speaker 1: was an emotional place, but most of the time it

2712
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:06,360
Speaker 1: was a happy place. You could see kids having parties

2713
02:34:06,400 --> 02:34:09,320
Speaker 1: on the Mexican side, and sometimes concerts would take place

2714
02:34:09,440 --> 02:34:11,800
Speaker 1: with the band split between two countries, with playing one

2715
02:34:11,879 --> 02:34:15,840
Speaker 1: tune on the Tijuana side, the fences covered in murals.

2716
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:19,320
Speaker 1: At moments it felt like a small victory over the

2717
02:34:19,360 --> 02:34:23,960
Speaker 1: pointless cruelty that happens here on a daily basis. The

2718
02:34:24,080 --> 02:34:28,440
Speaker 1: park itself was opened by pat Nixon in At the time,

2719
02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:30,560
Speaker 1: she said, I hope there won't be a fence here

2720
02:34:30,600 --> 02:34:34,240
Speaker 1: too long. Since then, the US government has built a

2721
02:34:34,320 --> 02:34:38,200
Speaker 1: secure fence in the nineteen nineties under Bill Clinton, then

2722
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:42,120
Speaker 1: are supposedly more secure fence following nine eleven. Then it

2723
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:47,440
Speaker 1: built the secondary wall. In two thousand nine, gate was

2724
02:34:47,480 --> 02:34:50,520
Speaker 1: installed to allow people to enter at certain times on

2725
02:34:50,600 --> 02:34:53,960
Speaker 1: weekends and meet their families, separated by just one barrier.

2726
02:34:55,360 --> 02:34:58,720
Speaker 1: Now there are plans to replace that secondary war by

2727
02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:01,440
Speaker 1: building a thirty ft wall under the pretense that the

2728
02:35:01,480 --> 02:35:05,040
Speaker 1: current structure is unsound. This new wall made it a

2729
02:35:05,080 --> 02:35:08,480
Speaker 1: Trump design, but built under Biden's instruction, will not have

2730
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:11,840
Speaker 1: a gate, and the last place in the country that

2731
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:16,800
Speaker 1: families could touch and heal will be gone forever. Customs

2732
02:35:16,840 --> 02:35:20,040
Speaker 1: and Border Protection blocked access to Friendship Park in February.

2733
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:24,320
Speaker 1: Have you reigned? That year fourth State officials to temporarily

2734
02:35:24,400 --> 02:35:27,640
Speaker 1: closed border Field State Park, the larger park in which

2735
02:35:27,680 --> 02:35:32,800
Speaker 1: Friendship Path is nestled. Since then, Border patrol has not

2736
02:35:33,000 --> 02:35:36,480
Speaker 1: opened the gate that lets people unite briefly with their families,

2737
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:39,840
Speaker 1: they claim, and influx of migrants has prevented them from

2738
02:35:39,879 --> 02:35:42,680
Speaker 1: having the staffing required to open the park, but on

2739
02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:45,240
Speaker 1: weekends agents are posted up right by where the park

2740
02:35:45,280 --> 02:35:48,040
Speaker 1: gate is anyway, in case people try and make the

2741
02:35:48,080 --> 02:35:50,440
Speaker 1: crossing without permission in order to see the families that

2742
02:35:50,480 --> 02:35:53,000
Speaker 1: many of them have been separated from for over two years.

2743
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:57,440
Speaker 1: Throughout those two years, I've crossed the Tijuana and to

2744
02:35:57,480 --> 02:36:00,400
Speaker 1: report on the growing number of people come around the

2745
02:36:00,480 --> 02:36:03,840
Speaker 1: world from Haiti, from Central and South America, or Ethiopia,

2746
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:08,359
Speaker 1: and recently Ukraine, to name but a few countries. Despite

2747
02:36:08,400 --> 02:36:13,720
Speaker 1: the heartbreaking stories of danger, fear and loss, and separation

2748
02:36:13,800 --> 02:36:15,800
Speaker 1: from the people they love, they haven't been able to

2749
02:36:15,879 --> 02:36:19,240
Speaker 1: file asylum claims due to the Trump administration's spurious use

2750
02:36:19,320 --> 02:36:23,039
Speaker 1: of public health laws to severely and illegally limit asylum.

2751
02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't have time here to explain the entirety of

2752
02:36:25,800 --> 02:36:29,360
Speaker 1: the Migrant Protection Protocol and Title forty two, and I

2753
02:36:29,400 --> 02:36:34,000
Speaker 1: don't really want to either, because the justification behind them

2754
02:36:34,200 --> 02:36:37,400
Speaker 1: isn't what's important. The cruelty they manifest is what's important.

2755
02:36:38,800 --> 02:36:41,920
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, who came to office promising a kind of approach,

2756
02:36:42,440 --> 02:36:44,760
Speaker 1: has defended some of these policies in court with his

2757
02:36:44,879 --> 02:36:48,520
Speaker 1: Department of Justice, and a particular cruelty of Title forty two,

2758
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:51,640
Speaker 1: which allowed authorities to expel migrants who arrived at uth

2759
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:55,760
Speaker 1: Land borders, has persisted despite Biden's recent change of heart,

2760
02:36:56,320 --> 02:36:59,320
Speaker 1: because several states managed to sue successfully to keep it

2761
02:36:59,360 --> 02:37:03,280
Speaker 1: in place. In the midst of all this, more and

2762
02:37:03,400 --> 02:37:07,320
Speaker 1: more people have been separated by the border. Now the

2763
02:37:07,400 --> 02:37:10,400
Speaker 1: Biden administration is looking to permanently close the wantedtle island

2764
02:37:10,440 --> 02:37:12,320
Speaker 1: of Hope that remained on a beach at the end

2765
02:37:12,360 --> 02:37:17,199
Speaker 1: of America. Obviously, a park with a massive fence doesn't

2766
02:37:17,240 --> 02:37:20,560
Speaker 1: solve a broken system or make the cruelty any less cruel.

2767
02:37:21,400 --> 02:37:24,080
Speaker 1: But it was a place for healing and kindness and

2768
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:27,560
Speaker 1: love and families, and now that place, too is under threat.

2769
02:37:28,360 --> 02:37:31,320
Speaker 1: I cut up with Robert Vard, friends of Friendship Park,

2770
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:34,080
Speaker 1: to talk about the park, the threats to it, and

2771
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:37,240
Speaker 1: what you can do to help. Robert, would you like

2772
02:37:37,320 --> 02:37:40,320
Speaker 1: to start off just by introducing yourself and explaining sort

2773
02:37:40,320 --> 02:37:43,680
Speaker 1: of where you fit in this uh, in the Friendship

2774
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Park world and in the world of the border more generally. Absolutely,

2775
02:37:48,280 --> 02:37:50,600
Speaker 1: my name was Robert. We're in a part of the

2776
02:37:51,240 --> 02:37:55,600
Speaker 1: friends or friendship or leadership group. And you know the

2777
02:37:55,680 --> 02:37:59,720
Speaker 1: reason I'm so involved with Friendship parking Bay Friendship Piker

2778
02:37:59,800 --> 02:38:03,400
Speaker 1: so important to me, uh is because I was actually

2779
02:38:03,560 --> 02:38:07,520
Speaker 1: one of those uh family members uh that at one

2780
02:38:07,560 --> 02:38:11,160
Speaker 1: point in my life I was deported and the only

2781
02:38:12,120 --> 02:38:14,200
Speaker 1: way that I was able to see some of my

2782
02:38:14,440 --> 02:38:19,240
Speaker 1: family um was through the border wall there at Friendship Park.

2783
02:38:19,959 --> 02:38:24,560
Speaker 1: In particular my son, who is active duty military, and

2784
02:38:25,080 --> 02:38:29,240
Speaker 1: because of the military status, um, you know, I was

2785
02:38:29,320 --> 02:38:31,960
Speaker 1: not able to come across the border, or it was

2786
02:38:32,120 --> 02:38:36,600
Speaker 1: very difficult for him to secure authorization from his command

2787
02:38:37,320 --> 02:38:39,920
Speaker 1: uh to be able to cross the border, and therefore

2788
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:44,000
Speaker 1: the only type of visit um that I could have

2789
02:38:44,120 --> 02:38:47,840
Speaker 1: with my son and my my granddaughters was through that

2790
02:38:47,959 --> 02:38:53,720
Speaker 1: border wall. So firsthand I understood very well, uh the

2791
02:38:53,879 --> 02:38:58,960
Speaker 1: importance of allowing on the weekends, uh at least for

2792
02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, a few hours on the weekend, that opportunity

2793
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:05,920
Speaker 1: for families to uh to be able to uh to

2794
02:39:06,040 --> 02:39:09,840
Speaker 1: meet there at Friendship Park. Yeah. So perhaps we should

2795
02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:12,520
Speaker 1: explain for people who aren't here in San Diego what

2796
02:39:12,840 --> 02:39:16,560
Speaker 1: the what Friendship Park is, right, or perhaps what it

2797
02:39:16,879 --> 02:39:23,800
Speaker 1: was in say before it was shot absolutely uh back

2798
02:39:24,440 --> 02:39:30,040
Speaker 1: prior to COVID. Friendship Park is a by national park

2799
02:39:31,160 --> 02:39:35,000
Speaker 1: separated by a border while actually by two border walls

2800
02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:42,520
Speaker 1: on the southwestern tip of the United States bordering Mexico.

2801
02:39:43,240 --> 02:39:47,880
Speaker 1: It's a border between Imperial Beach and Tijuana Beach. And

2802
02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:53,320
Speaker 1: the Friendship Park is actually a strip of land inside

2803
02:39:53,360 --> 02:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Borderfield State Park. And that strip of land is in

2804
02:39:57,320 --> 02:40:03,000
Speaker 1: between UM two border walls boarder fences, if you if

2805
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:08,640
Speaker 1: you say so, UM, and that part is considered to

2806
02:40:08,840 --> 02:40:15,480
Speaker 1: US friendship part, which is the area where UH person's

2807
02:40:15,959 --> 02:40:19,480
Speaker 1: families uh mixed status families from both sides of the

2808
02:40:19,560 --> 02:40:22,920
Speaker 1: border with meat. But it wasn't only a place for

2809
02:40:23,240 --> 02:40:27,360
Speaker 1: families to meet. There's also a place for people of

2810
02:40:27,440 --> 02:40:30,840
Speaker 1: good nature of the United States and Mexico to be

2811
02:40:30,959 --> 02:40:35,080
Speaker 1: able to meet and UH and also extend their friendship

2812
02:40:35,879 --> 02:40:39,640
Speaker 1: between the two countries and the two communities. UH. You know,

2813
02:40:39,760 --> 02:40:44,000
Speaker 1: back up fifty almost fifty one years ago. This is

2814
02:40:44,080 --> 02:40:49,279
Speaker 1: the area that then First Lady pat Nixon UM actually

2815
02:40:49,840 --> 02:40:55,800
Speaker 1: inaugurated as International Friendship Park and actually went as far

2816
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:59,800
Speaker 1: as cutting a part wire or having the Secret Service

2817
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:02,760
Speaker 1: at the barbed wire there at the park so she

2818
02:41:02,879 --> 02:41:07,320
Speaker 1: could reach across to the Mexico side and hug the

2819
02:41:07,440 --> 02:41:13,080
Speaker 1: people of Mexico. UH. Because of the the you know,

2820
02:41:13,160 --> 02:41:16,440
Speaker 1: the sentiment, the feeling of of that friendship between the

2821
02:41:16,520 --> 02:41:20,320
Speaker 1: two countries, and you know her very famous words, uh,

2822
02:41:20,560 --> 02:41:22,520
Speaker 1: that she wished that there would no longer be a

2823
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:26,480
Speaker 1: fence here to separate these two great countries. And of

2824
02:41:26,600 --> 02:41:31,280
Speaker 1: course we know that fifty one years later, almost fifty

2825
02:41:31,320 --> 02:41:36,280
Speaker 1: one years later, Uh, that has taken an opposite course

2826
02:41:36,360 --> 02:41:41,720
Speaker 1: of direction, where we now have two border walls. Plans

2827
02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:47,440
Speaker 1: are to direct to even higher, uglier eight walls to

2828
02:41:47,680 --> 02:41:51,920
Speaker 1: divide our two great countries. Yeah. So perhaps again, I

2829
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:56,640
Speaker 1: think people have a very uh the way that people

2830
02:41:56,680 --> 02:41:58,240
Speaker 1: see the border when they don't live on the border

2831
02:41:58,320 --> 02:41:59,959
Speaker 1: is very different to the way we see the boarder

2832
02:42:00,040 --> 02:42:02,440
Speaker 1: when we live on the border, right, And I think

2833
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:05,960
Speaker 1: part of that is in this understanding of walls and

2834
02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:12,000
Speaker 1: fences and barriers and the various things which we have

2835
02:42:12,360 --> 02:42:15,640
Speaker 1: already along the border. Right. So, um, maybe you could

2836
02:42:15,640 --> 02:42:17,640
Speaker 1: give us a little sort of potted history of the

2837
02:42:17,800 --> 02:42:20,960
Speaker 1: different Uh. I think you're right there secure fences right

2838
02:42:21,080 --> 02:42:24,280
Speaker 1: that were built through the Friendship Park and across the

2839
02:42:24,360 --> 02:42:29,240
Speaker 1: sort of San Diego Tijuana area. Right. Well, Uh, you know, again,

2840
02:42:29,320 --> 02:42:32,560
Speaker 1: for the longest time, the only fence that used to

2841
02:42:33,000 --> 02:42:36,960
Speaker 1: separate the two countries was that that strand of barb

2842
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:43,959
Speaker 1: wire UH. However, after Operation that Gatekeeper nine eleven UM,

2843
02:42:44,480 --> 02:42:49,440
Speaker 1: it was decided to to build the sturdier fence and

2844
02:42:49,879 --> 02:42:54,800
Speaker 1: then in two thousand and eleven the secondary fence UH

2845
02:42:55,240 --> 02:42:59,720
Speaker 1: was erected and at that time the threat of the

2846
02:43:00,200 --> 02:43:04,920
Speaker 1: being closed again because of the advocacy of friends or

2847
02:43:05,000 --> 02:43:10,760
Speaker 1: Friendship part UM, it was negoty negotiated with with Order

2848
02:43:10,840 --> 02:43:16,959
Speaker 1: Patrol UH that the the park would continue to remain

2849
02:43:17,080 --> 02:43:21,920
Speaker 1: open with a limited access of at that time persons

2850
02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:27,080
Speaker 1: UM at a time on Saturdays and Sundays from ten

2851
02:43:27,160 --> 02:43:30,600
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning to two o'clock in the afternoon. UH.

2852
02:43:31,160 --> 02:43:37,000
Speaker 1: That second wall was erected when the federal government um

2853
02:43:37,760 --> 02:43:42,240
Speaker 1: UH claimed eminent domain from the state of California and

2854
02:43:42,600 --> 02:43:48,720
Speaker 1: acquired that piece of land UH which is UH now

2855
02:43:48,920 --> 02:43:52,960
Speaker 1: considered the enforcement area and to us UH is the

2856
02:43:53,080 --> 02:43:57,720
Speaker 1: area that were better known as Friendship Part right, and

2857
02:43:57,959 --> 02:44:01,840
Speaker 1: so UM, what's see, there's a threat to the park now, right,

2858
02:44:01,879 --> 02:44:04,560
Speaker 1: there's a there's a new threat, and I think people

2859
02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:09,960
Speaker 1: UH again it might not have realized that we're continuing

2860
02:44:10,040 --> 02:44:14,360
Speaker 1: to build border wall, border barrier order DIKE. It's sometimes

2861
02:44:14,440 --> 02:44:18,040
Speaker 1: called UH depending on which part of the country you're in.

2862
02:44:18,280 --> 02:44:21,879
Speaker 1: But can you explain how, despite Joe Biden having signed

2863
02:44:21,959 --> 02:44:25,600
Speaker 1: this executive order saying what he claims saying not one

2864
02:44:25,640 --> 02:44:28,360
Speaker 1: more mile of wall, how are we still having this

2865
02:44:28,560 --> 02:44:32,120
Speaker 1: threat of building a bigger, uglier wall, right, And you know,

2866
02:44:32,280 --> 02:44:36,920
Speaker 1: I think that's uh, that's precisely the question, Uh that

2867
02:44:37,080 --> 02:44:41,760
Speaker 1: French or Friendship park paracity that why is it that Uh?

2868
02:44:42,560 --> 02:44:47,120
Speaker 1: If President Biden has stated that he would not build

2869
02:44:47,200 --> 02:44:50,879
Speaker 1: one more intro Trump's border wall, all of a sudden

2870
02:44:50,959 --> 02:44:58,240
Speaker 1: now has decided uh to finish the construction of Trump's border, Well,

2871
02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:03,119
Speaker 1: it's a question that that that we all ask, uh.

2872
02:45:03,240 --> 02:45:08,280
Speaker 1: And there's part of the the petition that we have

2873
02:45:08,520 --> 02:45:14,360
Speaker 1: reached out to uh Border Patrol as to the inclusion

2874
02:45:14,640 --> 02:45:19,920
Speaker 1: of the public and in those plans on continuing the

2875
02:45:20,040 --> 02:45:27,080
Speaker 1: replacement of the that while with thirty foot fallered fencing. Yeah,

2876
02:45:27,400 --> 02:45:29,960
Speaker 1: and that thirty footballered fencing, that's what people will be

2877
02:45:30,360 --> 02:45:35,039
Speaker 1: familiar with as the Trump wool, right, That is correct,

2878
02:45:35,879 --> 02:45:39,800
Speaker 1: something that you know, the fenishing that exists right now. Uh.

2879
02:45:41,160 --> 02:45:44,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's there. And I guess even though

2880
02:45:44,720 --> 02:45:47,520
Speaker 1: we we may not like what it is and what

2881
02:45:47,720 --> 02:45:52,200
Speaker 1: it represents. Um, you know, but it is there. But

2882
02:45:52,360 --> 02:45:56,119
Speaker 1: now to go even further and further desecrat our part

2883
02:45:56,240 --> 02:46:04,360
Speaker 1: with two thirty foot walled style defenses just completely uh

2884
02:46:05,560 --> 02:46:11,039
Speaker 1: obstructs the the aesthetics of the park, desgrades our part.

2885
02:46:11,680 --> 02:46:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah and so yeah, with this sort of further threat

2886
02:46:15,720 --> 02:46:19,040
Speaker 1: to the park cluoming you touched on it earlier, but

2887
02:46:19,160 --> 02:46:21,600
Speaker 1: I'd like to go back to like what the park means,

2888
02:46:22,879 --> 02:46:26,040
Speaker 1: especially to families who are separated by the border right

2889
02:46:26,080 --> 02:46:29,840
Speaker 1: and can't cross to see each other. Oh absolutely, uh,

2890
02:46:30,080 --> 02:46:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, on on when the part was open on

2891
02:46:33,240 --> 02:46:36,680
Speaker 1: on a weekly on a weekend basis. Uh, you know,

2892
02:46:36,760 --> 02:46:40,080
Speaker 1: we would have families, uh you know, for example, grandmothers

2893
02:46:40,120 --> 02:46:43,520
Speaker 1: that had never met their their grandchildren, you know, meet

2894
02:46:43,560 --> 02:46:47,160
Speaker 1: their grandchildren for the first time route across that border wall.

2895
02:46:47,520 --> 02:46:50,280
Speaker 1: You know, mothers that hadn't seen their their kids in

2896
02:46:50,600 --> 02:46:55,600
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years. Uh, you know, the joy of you know,

2897
02:46:55,879 --> 02:46:59,400
Speaker 1: of being able to at least see them across that

2898
02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:02,720
Speaker 1: border all and just you know, a couple inches away

2899
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:06,240
Speaker 1: from them. And even though you know, nothing could pass

2900
02:47:06,320 --> 02:47:10,240
Speaker 1: through through that barrier. Um. The only thing that was

2901
02:47:10,360 --> 02:47:13,960
Speaker 1: able to pass through the um the orifice there on

2902
02:47:14,040 --> 02:47:17,400
Speaker 1: the wall or the fencing was the tip of your finger,

2903
02:47:17,959 --> 02:47:23,240
Speaker 1: which is why uh we kind of uh uh created

2904
02:47:23,360 --> 02:47:26,879
Speaker 1: what we call the peak kids because that's the only

2905
02:47:26,959 --> 02:47:28,920
Speaker 1: thing that would reach across and that's the only way

2906
02:47:28,959 --> 02:47:31,760
Speaker 1: we would be able to hug and kiss our loved

2907
02:47:31,800 --> 02:47:36,240
Speaker 1: ones on the other side of the border. UM very significant.

2908
02:47:36,280 --> 02:47:40,840
Speaker 1: And you know something that uh that we hope more

2909
02:47:40,879 --> 02:47:46,560
Speaker 1: people would understand is that you know, by heavy the

2910
02:47:46,680 --> 02:47:50,000
Speaker 1: part open and families allowed to be able to visit

2911
02:47:50,080 --> 02:47:53,840
Speaker 1: across that fence, it would allow people, even though it's

2912
02:47:53,920 --> 02:47:57,440
Speaker 1: not the best scenario, but at least it would give people.

2913
02:47:57,520 --> 02:48:01,800
Speaker 1: It would give families the opportunity to remain being a family,

2914
02:48:02,280 --> 02:48:05,320
Speaker 1: to have a little bit of contract with their loved ones.

2915
02:48:05,440 --> 02:48:11,880
Speaker 1: Something very important. We keep hearing about reasons for you know,

2916
02:48:12,040 --> 02:48:16,760
Speaker 1: a border walls and more uh check h TEG and

2917
02:48:16,959 --> 02:48:21,600
Speaker 1: and security and so forth, because incursions, Well, Todd, this

2918
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:25,160
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why, uh, you know, we

2919
02:48:25,280 --> 02:48:30,680
Speaker 1: have more incursions because people get desperate from losing contact

2920
02:48:30,760 --> 02:48:34,160
Speaker 1: with their loved ones that they're willing to risk their

2921
02:48:34,280 --> 02:48:36,880
Speaker 1: own life to be able to reach their loved ones.

2922
02:48:37,560 --> 02:48:40,520
Speaker 1: That's why you have increase in people trying to swim

2923
02:48:40,560 --> 02:48:44,920
Speaker 1: across the border. Wall. That's why you have people reaching

2924
02:48:44,959 --> 02:48:47,879
Speaker 1: out to further points in the desert trying to reach

2925
02:48:47,959 --> 02:48:52,400
Speaker 1: their loved ones. That's why you have people climbing, uh,

2926
02:48:52,680 --> 02:48:56,440
Speaker 1: some of these thirty foot walls and falling and uh

2927
02:48:56,959 --> 02:49:01,520
Speaker 1: uh you know, bravely injuring themselves out because you get

2928
02:49:01,600 --> 02:49:05,520
Speaker 1: to the point that your family is everything in your

2929
02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:08,440
Speaker 1: life and you're willing to risk your life to reach

2930
02:49:08,560 --> 02:49:15,920
Speaker 1: that family. When uh order uh, when Friendship Part was open, Uh,

2931
02:49:16,360 --> 02:49:18,880
Speaker 1: we had a lot of conversations with a lot of

2932
02:49:19,000 --> 02:49:22,320
Speaker 1: people that came to the part to visit their families,

2933
02:49:23,200 --> 02:49:27,480
Speaker 1: and in speaking to them, uh, they would tell you that,

2934
02:49:28,240 --> 02:49:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, being able to see their their families, their

2935
02:49:30,680 --> 02:49:35,720
Speaker 1: loved ones and sharing those moments together with very comforting

2936
02:49:35,879 --> 02:49:42,240
Speaker 1: and bettery energizing and motivating to continue to fight to

2937
02:49:42,440 --> 02:49:45,920
Speaker 1: search for a legal opportunity to be being able to

2938
02:49:46,040 --> 02:49:48,960
Speaker 1: reunite what their loved ones. Yeah, and I think we

2939
02:49:49,000 --> 02:49:52,080
Speaker 1: should point out that, like, since since the park has

2940
02:49:52,120 --> 02:49:54,800
Speaker 1: been closed, it's not just the park being closed which

2941
02:49:54,840 --> 02:49:58,400
Speaker 1: has created like a hostile environment for people seeking asylum

2942
02:49:58,480 --> 02:50:00,840
Speaker 1: or seeking to reunite with their family in the United States,

2943
02:50:00,920 --> 02:50:05,320
Speaker 1: where we've had the Migrant Protection Protocol, which is better

2944
02:50:05,400 --> 02:50:09,280
Speaker 1: known as Remain in Mexico, and we've had titled forty two,

2945
02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:14,000
Speaker 1: sometimes called catch and Release, both of which do the

2946
02:50:14,080 --> 02:50:16,959
Speaker 1: same things that you say, which is increased the amount

2947
02:50:16,959 --> 02:50:19,160
Speaker 1: of people who cross in higher risk areas and increase

2948
02:50:19,240 --> 02:50:24,240
Speaker 1: in danger to migrants chiefly. So there's this there's this

2949
02:50:24,280 --> 02:50:28,560
Speaker 1: perception I think that things changed in January, but they didn't.

2950
02:50:29,000 --> 02:50:32,560
Speaker 1: I think for most people, certainly people I've met, trying

2951
02:50:32,600 --> 02:50:35,440
Speaker 1: to come to the United States to be safe, they

2952
02:50:35,480 --> 02:50:38,520
Speaker 1: still can't. And as you say, they they still can't

2953
02:50:38,560 --> 02:50:41,520
Speaker 1: see their families. And perhaps we should also mention that,

2954
02:50:41,600 --> 02:50:45,240
Speaker 1: like sometimes we talk about um Friendship Park being binational,

2955
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:47,960
Speaker 1: but it's more than that, right, Like, it's not just

2956
02:50:49,280 --> 02:50:53,360
Speaker 1: people from Mexico who come to meet their families of

2957
02:50:53,480 --> 02:50:56,000
Speaker 1: Friendship Park. It's it's there's people from all around the

2958
02:50:56,080 --> 02:50:59,160
Speaker 1: world who are unable to come to the United States

2959
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:03,320
Speaker 1: but are in on it right right absolutely, And uh,

2960
02:51:03,520 --> 02:51:08,040
Speaker 1: you know it's not just you know, families that gather there. Uh,

2961
02:51:08,360 --> 02:51:15,520
Speaker 1: it's friendships. It's an opportunity, um for people from any

2962
02:51:15,600 --> 02:51:19,720
Speaker 1: part of the world to be able to make a connection,

2963
02:51:20,520 --> 02:51:25,080
Speaker 1: make a friend right across that border while without actually

2964
02:51:25,640 --> 02:51:30,000
Speaker 1: having to across the border. Uh if for whatever reason

2965
02:51:30,080 --> 02:51:34,360
Speaker 1: they may be, they cannot uh come across to the

2966
02:51:34,480 --> 02:51:39,200
Speaker 1: Mexico or to the Mexico site. Uh. You know, the

2967
02:51:39,600 --> 02:51:44,360
Speaker 1: part is all about friendship. That's what why Uh to

2968
02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:48,200
Speaker 1: first Lady Pat Dixon, We're so important the decks and

2969
02:51:48,360 --> 02:51:52,760
Speaker 1: nation of the part in consideration of the great friendship

2970
02:51:53,480 --> 02:51:57,600
Speaker 1: that existed and has always existed. And and you know what,

2971
02:51:57,800 --> 02:52:01,720
Speaker 1: no matter what happens, UH, that is going to continue

2972
02:52:01,800 --> 02:52:05,760
Speaker 1: because uh, in particular San Diego and Tijuana, we really

2973
02:52:05,840 --> 02:52:10,400
Speaker 1: want to be unity. Um. There's a tremendous population in

2974
02:52:10,520 --> 02:52:14,360
Speaker 1: San Diego that have relatives in Defuana and vice versa.

2975
02:52:15,200 --> 02:52:19,720
Speaker 1: And it's not only you know, the family, but commerce. Uh.

2976
02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, we're one community and one way or another,

2977
02:52:25,800 --> 02:52:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, uh, people are are gonna stay connected. Uh

2978
02:52:32,280 --> 02:52:35,040
Speaker 1: always figure out different ways to be able to to

2979
02:52:35,240 --> 02:52:39,960
Speaker 1: remain connected and have that friendship. UM. And I think

2980
02:52:40,120 --> 02:52:44,440
Speaker 1: part of uh the reason for that is because uh,

2981
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:48,040
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people see that that border

2982
02:52:48,120 --> 02:52:52,520
Speaker 1: fence and they see a barrier, but uh, we see

2983
02:52:52,560 --> 02:52:55,720
Speaker 1: that much more than that barrier is the barrier in

2984
02:52:55,800 --> 02:53:00,960
Speaker 1: our heart and with you know the people of our community.

2985
02:53:01,520 --> 02:53:05,000
Speaker 1: That barrier doesn't exist. The only barrier to us is

2986
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:08,880
Speaker 1: that that friends. The barrier in our heart does not

2987
02:53:09,000 --> 02:53:12,840
Speaker 1: exist because we have respect for each other and we

2988
02:53:12,959 --> 02:53:17,920
Speaker 1: consider ourselves friends and one community on both sides of

2989
02:53:18,120 --> 02:53:22,800
Speaker 1: that border will yeah, yeah, definitely. I think it's yeah,

2990
02:53:22,840 --> 02:53:26,120
Speaker 1: the border exists a lot more sort of on the ground,

2991
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:28,720
Speaker 1: and it doesn't in the community here. And I think

2992
02:53:29,440 --> 02:53:32,120
Speaker 1: so many thousands of people cross every day, it's really

2993
02:53:32,160 --> 02:53:34,920
Speaker 1: odd to have it presented as this hard, impenetrable thing.

2994
02:53:35,000 --> 02:53:38,240
Speaker 1: And then it's also just an annoyance and the reason

2995
02:53:38,320 --> 02:53:39,960
Speaker 1: that we set in our cars for hours trying to

2996
02:53:40,040 --> 02:53:43,320
Speaker 1: cross north. I wonder if we can talk a little

2997
02:53:43,320 --> 02:53:46,199
Speaker 1: bit about Because there's a Friendship Park, and then there's

2998
02:53:46,240 --> 02:53:51,600
Speaker 1: the southern side, right part lamy Stad. What's the official

2999
02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:54,920
Speaker 1: sort of set up in Mexico with regards to the park.

3000
02:53:54,959 --> 02:53:58,920
Speaker 1: It's a little different from the US, right, Uh yeah, well,

3001
02:53:59,000 --> 02:54:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, the big difference on the Mexico side is,

3002
02:54:02,040 --> 02:54:06,680
Speaker 1: like our pastor John Fantasy says, on the Mexico side

3003
02:54:06,800 --> 02:54:11,720
Speaker 1: is one big party, you know, one one big uh

3004
02:54:12,360 --> 02:54:17,760
Speaker 1: friendly happy atmosphere, just like what you would expect to

3005
02:54:17,879 --> 02:54:22,200
Speaker 1: find in any part where families gather on on the

3006
02:54:22,280 --> 02:54:25,880
Speaker 1: weekend and now you know during summer vacation even during

3007
02:54:25,920 --> 02:54:30,360
Speaker 1: the week UH, you know, a bustling UH beach city

3008
02:54:31,480 --> 02:54:38,039
Speaker 1: with a magnificent friendly part, family oriented UH, family friendly

3009
02:54:38,280 --> 02:54:47,880
Speaker 1: part where where people go to enjoy a a beautiful part. Um. Unfortunately, UH,

3010
02:54:48,600 --> 02:54:51,959
Speaker 1: our our friends on the U S side, I cannot

3011
02:54:52,080 --> 02:54:56,040
Speaker 1: enjoy the part as uh as much as UH our

3012
02:54:56,120 --> 02:54:59,599
Speaker 1: friends on the Mexico side do because of these limitations

3013
02:55:00,600 --> 02:55:02,960
Speaker 1: on the part. Yeah, it's it's a shame. Like you said,

3014
02:55:02,959 --> 02:55:05,280
Speaker 1: it's very contrasting like the U. S side, it's kind

3015
02:55:05,280 --> 02:55:07,680
Speaker 1: of difficult to get to and it's only open and

3016
02:55:08,360 --> 02:55:10,520
Speaker 1: set now is It's what it's not open at all

3017
02:55:10,640 --> 02:55:12,800
Speaker 1: post and we should explain that, right. So it was

3018
02:55:12,840 --> 02:55:17,520
Speaker 1: closed in UH for COVID and then if I understand

3019
02:55:17,640 --> 02:55:22,360
Speaker 1: right following that it remained close because border patrol were understaffed.

3020
02:55:22,440 --> 02:55:25,600
Speaker 1: They claim, right, that is where we have been told

3021
02:55:25,720 --> 02:55:29,840
Speaker 1: that Friends of Friendship part originally that it was close

3022
02:55:29,920 --> 02:55:35,240
Speaker 1: because of COVID UH, and the understanding was that UH

3023
02:55:35,800 --> 02:55:41,280
Speaker 1: when the COVID situation UH was over, then that their

3024
02:55:41,320 --> 02:55:45,520
Speaker 1: plan was to reopen Friendship Part. However, now we're being

3025
02:55:45,680 --> 02:55:50,200
Speaker 1: told that because of a lack of personnel that they're

3026
02:55:50,240 --> 02:55:54,200
Speaker 1: not able to staff it accordingly to be able to

3027
02:55:54,320 --> 02:55:57,840
Speaker 1: open it. Uh. You know you judged a little bit

3028
02:55:57,879 --> 02:56:02,760
Speaker 1: earlier on the MPP program. Uh. You know, if there

3029
02:56:02,800 --> 02:56:06,440
Speaker 1: has been increased in incursions into the US, a lot

3030
02:56:06,480 --> 02:56:10,440
Speaker 1: of it has to do with the asylum process UH

3031
02:56:10,959 --> 02:56:14,280
Speaker 1: that has been halted for so many for the last

3032
02:56:14,360 --> 02:56:17,840
Speaker 1: couple of years. That uh, you know, forces people in

3033
02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:23,320
Speaker 1: desperation uh to take their life at risk and try

3034
02:56:23,360 --> 02:56:27,160
Speaker 1: to gain entry into the US. You know, UH, it's

3035
02:56:27,160 --> 02:56:29,840
Speaker 1: not that difficult to understand if if you're living in

3036
02:56:29,920 --> 02:56:37,040
Speaker 1: a country where crime and violence is widespread, and you

3037
02:56:37,160 --> 02:56:41,039
Speaker 1: have a choice whether you leave your country and travel

3038
02:56:41,120 --> 02:56:46,040
Speaker 1: three or four thousand miles to reach some kind of safety, uh,

3039
02:56:46,600 --> 02:56:48,959
Speaker 1: to protect the life of your of your loved ones,

3040
02:56:49,080 --> 02:56:54,520
Speaker 1: of your family. UH. You know, you're you're going to

3041
02:56:55,360 --> 02:56:58,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna if you risk that, You're gonna you're gonna

3042
02:56:59,080 --> 02:57:02,200
Speaker 1: risk you know, your life trying to get across it

3043
02:57:02,360 --> 02:57:05,200
Speaker 1: and protect your family. And if the only way you

3044
02:57:05,280 --> 02:57:08,400
Speaker 1: can do it is by jumping over that fence or

3045
02:57:08,440 --> 02:57:13,280
Speaker 1: streaming around that ocean, uh, you know, that's what we've

3046
02:57:13,360 --> 02:57:16,840
Speaker 1: seen happening, and a lot of that has got to

3047
02:57:16,959 --> 02:57:21,520
Speaker 1: do with uh the asylum process. Uh that is been

3048
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:26,800
Speaker 1: shut down and continues to be shut down. Um, people

3049
02:57:26,840 --> 02:57:30,360
Speaker 1: are gonna continue to try to to to save their

3050
02:57:30,440 --> 02:57:33,600
Speaker 1: life and their life and their their family. Uh. That's

3051
02:57:33,640 --> 02:57:38,040
Speaker 1: why we're hoping that, um the asylum process can be

3052
02:57:38,680 --> 02:57:43,600
Speaker 1: reinstated as an international law requires calls for it. Uh

3053
02:57:43,840 --> 02:57:48,640
Speaker 1: and UH that would would definitely uh show a decrease.

3054
02:57:49,520 --> 02:57:54,320
Speaker 1: And now in incursions, um again you know a lot

3055
02:57:54,360 --> 02:57:59,120
Speaker 1: of these incursions, uh are people trying to reach safety

3056
02:57:59,240 --> 02:58:02,480
Speaker 1: for themselves, their in their loved ones. Yeah, and it's

3057
02:58:02,520 --> 02:58:05,200
Speaker 1: been a very difficult situation in Tijuana for a lot

3058
02:58:05,240 --> 02:58:07,680
Speaker 1: of people, a lot of people who have arrived since

3059
02:58:08,280 --> 02:58:12,160
Speaker 1: MPP started. Like for a while people were camping at

3060
02:58:12,200 --> 02:58:14,600
Speaker 1: the at the at the border crossing right but in

3061
02:58:14,760 --> 02:58:19,360
Speaker 1: town like a head west they got cleared. Yeah. It's

3062
02:58:19,440 --> 02:58:22,920
Speaker 1: it's also sort of forcing the all these shelters and

3063
02:58:23,000 --> 02:58:26,760
Speaker 1: nonprofits in Tijuana to saddle the burden, which that they

3064
02:58:26,840 --> 02:58:30,360
Speaker 1: do a very good job with largely. But this you know,

3065
02:58:30,520 --> 02:58:33,240
Speaker 1: with this massive, richest country on the on Earth, and

3066
02:58:33,320 --> 02:58:34,920
Speaker 1: we just could have should have shutting the door at

3067
02:58:34,920 --> 02:58:38,200
Speaker 1: a minute and saying like you're not welcome, right that

3068
02:58:38,600 --> 02:58:43,000
Speaker 1: that that is absolutely correct. So I know that you

3069
02:58:43,400 --> 02:58:46,440
Speaker 1: you've been doing some events at the Friendship Park, right,

3070
02:58:46,520 --> 02:58:48,240
Speaker 1: You've got a concert coming up. Could you tell us

3071
02:58:48,280 --> 02:58:52,680
Speaker 1: about that? Yes, absolutely, we have a concert coming up

3072
02:58:52,720 --> 02:58:58,520
Speaker 1: about four our fifty first anniversary. And the headliner for

3073
02:58:58,600 --> 02:59:03,520
Speaker 1: the concert is a gentleman known as the the father

3074
02:59:03,680 --> 02:59:07,600
Speaker 1: of Mexican rock and roll, uh, which begun here here

3075
02:59:08,080 --> 02:59:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying here would be begun in Tijuana, Mexico, Vier

3076
02:59:11,840 --> 02:59:16,879
Speaker 1: Baptist And uh. You know what what is really neat

3077
02:59:17,240 --> 02:59:23,040
Speaker 1: is that Javier Batiez was actually the the mentor of

3078
02:59:23,160 --> 02:59:26,840
Speaker 1: Carlos Santana. And you know we all love the music

3079
02:59:26,920 --> 02:59:32,560
Speaker 1: of Carlos Santana, incredible performers. Uh. Well, he had his

3080
02:59:32,720 --> 02:59:38,760
Speaker 1: start with Javier Baptiz. Uh at one point here in Tijuana, Mexico.

3081
02:59:39,520 --> 02:59:43,640
Speaker 1: I keep saying here, I'm in San Diego, uh in Tijuana, Mexico.

3082
02:59:44,920 --> 02:59:48,720
Speaker 1: And you know, Javier is is an icon of rock

3083
02:59:48,760 --> 02:59:54,240
Speaker 1: and roll music, uh and of Tijuana. And you know what, uh,

3084
02:59:54,840 --> 02:59:58,040
Speaker 1: what I think is really special about this concert UH

3085
02:59:58,160 --> 03:00:03,960
Speaker 1: is speaking to Javier. Um. You know, his ideals are

3086
03:00:04,120 --> 03:00:08,560
Speaker 1: very much along the ideals of uh what Friendship part

3087
03:00:08,720 --> 03:00:12,240
Speaker 1: is all about. And you know friendship puts a smile

3088
03:00:12,280 --> 03:00:16,360
Speaker 1: on people's face. And that was something that that you're

3089
03:00:16,440 --> 03:00:20,279
Speaker 1: told me personally, Um, I love to play my music

3090
03:00:21,320 --> 03:00:24,040
Speaker 1: because my music puts a smile on people's face, and

3091
03:00:24,080 --> 03:00:27,520
Speaker 1: I like to make people happy. That's great, and and

3092
03:00:27,640 --> 03:00:30,280
Speaker 1: you know that's the whole idea behind friendship, part to

3093
03:00:30,400 --> 03:00:35,600
Speaker 1: make people happy, to have people enjoy a beautiful part,

3094
03:00:35,879 --> 03:00:40,080
Speaker 1: enjoy their families, enjoy the friendship across the border that

3095
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:43,440
Speaker 1: we have. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's very sad.

3096
03:00:44,280 --> 03:00:46,600
Speaker 1: The whole set of Cannad is very sad, right, like

3097
03:00:47,640 --> 03:00:50,720
Speaker 1: the idea that, um, we don't have it. We have

3098
03:00:50,840 --> 03:00:52,600
Speaker 1: enough money to build a giant steel barrier, but not

3099
03:00:52,760 --> 03:00:54,480
Speaker 1: enough money to open this place up for you know,

3100
03:00:54,520 --> 03:00:56,200
Speaker 1: a few hours a week for people to see their

3101
03:00:56,240 --> 03:01:00,040
Speaker 1: families and enjoy themselves, enjoy that time to get it

3102
03:01:00,280 --> 03:01:05,760
Speaker 1: just seems almost that pointlessly cruel, I guess, and which

3103
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes a lot of the immigration system

3104
03:01:07,720 --> 03:01:14,200
Speaker 1: seems pointlessly cruel to me. Yes, yes, absolutely, Uh, when

3105
03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:17,960
Speaker 1: you separate a mother from a child, that is cruel.

3106
03:01:18,879 --> 03:01:21,680
Speaker 1: When you won't allow a mother and a child to

3107
03:01:21,920 --> 03:01:25,959
Speaker 1: even be able to gather for a couple hours a week,

3108
03:01:26,680 --> 03:01:32,480
Speaker 1: separate from a barrier. That's very cruel. When you don't

3109
03:01:32,560 --> 03:01:36,800
Speaker 1: allow people of good nature, of good will to visit

3110
03:01:37,000 --> 03:01:42,400
Speaker 1: even though it is across a barrier, that is not good. Yeah,

3111
03:01:42,959 --> 03:01:46,480
Speaker 1: I think it's important that people across the country like obviously,

3112
03:01:46,560 --> 03:01:49,400
Speaker 1: like it can be really difficult to care about everything, right, Like,

3113
03:01:49,520 --> 03:01:53,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty difficult time, and with Supreme Court

3114
03:01:53,240 --> 03:01:57,440
Speaker 1: decisions and the seemingly sort of NonStop mass shootings, it's

3115
03:01:57,480 --> 03:02:00,880
Speaker 1: a difficult time for everyone, I think. But like, um,

3116
03:02:01,840 --> 03:02:05,120
Speaker 1: I think it's important that people realize that the border

3117
03:02:05,280 --> 03:02:08,360
Speaker 1: is where a lot of these policies get tried for

3118
03:02:08,480 --> 03:02:12,840
Speaker 1: the first time. Right, these these things which like if

3119
03:02:12,879 --> 03:02:15,480
Speaker 1: we look at the way that like privacy of people

3120
03:02:15,520 --> 03:02:17,200
Speaker 1: living on the board has been eroded for a very

3121
03:02:17,280 --> 03:02:21,280
Speaker 1: long time, and that's happening to other people. Happened, right,

3122
03:02:21,320 --> 03:02:23,440
Speaker 1: It was a border patrol drone that was flying over

3123
03:02:23,520 --> 03:02:27,640
Speaker 1: Minneapolis during the protests. And so if people want to

3124
03:02:28,360 --> 03:02:31,640
Speaker 1: push back and to show solidarity and support, how can

3125
03:02:31,680 --> 03:02:34,840
Speaker 1: they support the park and how maybe can they support

3126
03:02:34,879 --> 03:02:38,080
Speaker 1: the people who are stuck in in Tijuana and want

3127
03:02:38,120 --> 03:02:40,120
Speaker 1: to cross but are allowed to cross because of of

3128
03:02:40,320 --> 03:02:44,840
Speaker 1: mp P or Title forty two or restrictive asylum sort

3129
03:02:44,879 --> 03:02:52,120
Speaker 1: of legislation. Well, you know we're asking people to do it. Well, uh,

3130
03:02:52,440 --> 03:02:57,800
Speaker 1: you know you're in the southern California area. UM, you

3131
03:02:57,879 --> 03:03:01,320
Speaker 1: know rain or shine. Uh, we go ahead and continue

3132
03:03:01,440 --> 03:03:04,400
Speaker 1: having events that Friendship Park on the U S side,

3133
03:03:04,520 --> 03:03:10,200
Speaker 1: like our bike rides, our Native Flora workshops, our Border

3134
03:03:10,360 --> 03:03:15,320
Speaker 1: Church on on Sundays at one thirty in the afternoon. UM,

3135
03:03:16,120 --> 03:03:18,960
Speaker 1: we invite people to come and join us. Uh, come

3136
03:03:19,000 --> 03:03:20,879
Speaker 1: and join us on a bike ride, come and join

3137
03:03:21,040 --> 03:03:24,880
Speaker 1: us on border church and show your your support for

3138
03:03:25,040 --> 03:03:31,000
Speaker 1: the need uh to continue uh the work that had

3139
03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:34,280
Speaker 1: been done for so many years. That friendship part in

3140
03:03:34,440 --> 03:03:38,640
Speaker 1: some port of our by national families and our by

3141
03:03:38,760 --> 03:03:44,720
Speaker 1: national community. Also very important. Contact your your congressman, contact

3142
03:03:44,840 --> 03:03:49,480
Speaker 1: your your senator, and if you're in California, of course

3143
03:03:49,560 --> 03:03:56,400
Speaker 1: your your California senators. UH. Assembly persons. UM. We need

3144
03:03:56,520 --> 03:04:00,400
Speaker 1: to urge them to uh uh to advocate for us

3145
03:04:00,680 --> 03:04:06,800
Speaker 1: before Homeland Security, UM, before the Secretary of Homeland Security,

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Speaker 1: so they may understand the importance of the Friendship Park

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Speaker 1: offers not only to the families, but to to our communities.

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Speaker 1: You can secure a border a lot better through friendship

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Speaker 1: then through Uh, you know border walls that at a

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03:04:27,240 --> 03:04:31,560
Speaker 1: given moment can be breached. Uh as we have seen

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03:04:31,640 --> 03:04:37,960
Speaker 1: they have occurred. Um, the strongest security that anybody can

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Speaker 1: ever have is a good, strong relationship on both sides

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Speaker 1: of the border. Yeah. I think that's that's that's very

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03:04:46,959 --> 03:04:49,480
Speaker 1: well well said. And so if people want to come

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Speaker 1: to Friendship Park, can you just explain how they would

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03:04:52,080 --> 03:04:53,640
Speaker 1: get to one of these events and where they have

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03:04:53,720 --> 03:04:58,600
Speaker 1: to go? Absolutely? Uh, but I would recommend is follow

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Speaker 1: us on We have Facebook, Twitter, Instagram accounts Friendship Part

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03:05:05,400 --> 03:05:08,920
Speaker 1: and also saw our website friendship part dot org where

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03:05:09,040 --> 03:05:13,360
Speaker 1: we have information on all the different events on our border.

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03:05:13,480 --> 03:05:17,800
Speaker 1: Church on this way, you can join us uh on

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03:05:18,040 --> 03:05:19,560
Speaker 1: on the U side, or do you want to come

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03:05:19,600 --> 03:05:24,360
Speaker 1: to the Mexico side. Uh is wide open. You can.

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Speaker 1: You can go directly right to the monument area where

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Speaker 1: you can enjoy this, uh this great beautiful monument to

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Speaker 1: commemorate out uh the demarcation of the of the of

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Speaker 1: the two countries. You know, you can you can enjoy

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Speaker 1: it either either way. But we we do like uh

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03:05:44,240 --> 03:05:46,880
Speaker 1: and we stress people that come out and join us

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03:05:46,920 --> 03:05:52,040
Speaker 1: on the U s side. Uh, so that uh, you

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03:05:52,120 --> 03:05:55,360
Speaker 1: know we're not forgotten, So that there's a beautiful piece

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Speaker 1: of land um on Borderfield State Park known as Friendship

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Speaker 1: part uh is not forgotten. And not only that, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the beauty of of of the park. We have

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Speaker 1: a beautiful park their Borderfield State Park uh adjacent to

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Speaker 1: Friendship part Um, something that very a few people are

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Speaker 1: being taken advantage of. Lately, We've had quite a few

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Speaker 1: more visitors out there, horseback riding, bicyclinge uh, a few

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Speaker 1: families out uh, you know, taking gift in the ocean. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But this is a beautiful pub beach that that we

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Speaker 1: have there on the U S side and welcome, you know,

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Speaker 1: our our community, We're San Diego to community to come

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03:06:42,680 --> 03:06:45,760
Speaker 1: and enjoy it as well. And you know, as you

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Speaker 1: come and enjoy it, you support our efforts to demonstrate

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Speaker 1: the need to keep our part open. Yeah. Yeah, I

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03:06:55,560 --> 03:06:58,040
Speaker 1: think that's a very uh. Yeah, it's not hard for

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Speaker 1: people to help, and I hope they will. How long

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Speaker 1: do we have? Do you think? How long do we

3189
03:07:01,879 --> 03:07:06,520
Speaker 1: have before they break ground on this new wall? Right?

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Speaker 1: We're not sure how long we have. We were told

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Speaker 1: that it was a matter of weeks. Uh. Does that

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03:07:14,240 --> 03:07:17,600
Speaker 1: mean two weeks, three weeks. It's hard to say, but

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03:07:17,720 --> 03:07:20,959
Speaker 1: we know that it could happen at any at any time,

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Speaker 1: Uh lady, We've observed several uh crews out there doing

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Speaker 1: uh surveys and such of the area, so we know

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Speaker 1: that it's uh any moment they should be breaking ground,

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Speaker 1: and we hope that before that ground breaks that they

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Speaker 1: will consider our request and uh you know, uh public

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Speaker 1: uh uh for public support, for public input as to

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Speaker 1: what the park should look like. Uh you know, give

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03:07:58,440 --> 03:08:04,240
Speaker 1: that consideration. Uh too. You know, if you're gonna you're

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Speaker 1: going to replace walls to make sure that uh you know,

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Speaker 1: the that gates are a lotted uh so that these

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Speaker 1: visits can continue, because we understand there's no provision at

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Speaker 1: this point for any kind of uh of gate for

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03:08:22,400 --> 03:08:27,080
Speaker 1: uh you know, for person access for people access uh

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03:08:27,240 --> 03:08:30,760
Speaker 1: into the area. Uh. That of course tells you that

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03:08:31,120 --> 03:08:35,119
Speaker 1: there's no intention of continuing at one point to open

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Speaker 1: the park for the visits. UH. And of course that's

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Speaker 1: extremely concerning, yeah, especially for people separated by the border. Okay, UM,

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Speaker 1: so just to finish up, can you give us those

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Speaker 1: social media's and web addresses again where people can find

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Speaker 1: you and help Sure? Absolutely uh. We're website is www.

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Speaker 1: Friendship part dot org. Um the Facebook, you can find

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Speaker 1: us under friendship Art. You can also find information under

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Speaker 1: ordered Church. Great. All right, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your time. I really appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 1: talk and it's a busy time for you. You're very welcome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the opportunity to be here with you today.

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