1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted, or should I say 2 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. I 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: and Mike Spofford, he is my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz, 4 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: were coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field, 5 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: and we are back because the Packers have a new 6 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: head coach, the fifteenth head coach and franchise history, Matt 7 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Lafleur is introduced by Mark Murphy and Brian Goudacunst on 8 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon in the lambeau Field Media Auditorium West and 9 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff we can kick around here and 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. But but boy, it was 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: an exciting day Wednesday at lambeau Field after what's been 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: a couple of long years and some frustrating seasons here 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: for the Packers. And uh, just seeing how jam packed 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: that media auditorium was with all those cameras. A scene 15 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: like that had not really taken place in Green Bay 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: in quite a while. No, I mean it, U, It 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: definitely was different. There was a palpable energy throughout the building, 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: whether it was the media auditorium, packers locker room when 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: we were in there, just the vibes in there as well, 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: not that there's any players there, but just amongst the 21 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: personnel and the people in the building, it just there 22 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: is a tangible energy that I think you can feel 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: radiating from this higher Matt Lafleur, thirty nine years old, 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: UH has a really interesting story when you look at 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: where he's come from and the route he took and 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: some of the lucky breaks that go your way sometimes 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: on that road to becoming an NFL head coach an 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: expansive resume, I think the kind of guy that you 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: look at when you're trying to build a franchise for 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: two thousand, nineteen and beyond really has the background you're 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: looking for with some of the different offenses that he 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: was exposed to and some of the players that he's 33 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: worked with. So now he's the fifteenth head coach and 34 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: franchise history and looking to turn this thing around in 35 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Title Town. Yeah, I think what you just said, the 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: players that he worked with, I think that's the thing 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: that stands out to me the most, because let's be 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: honest here, the most important thing for Matt Lafleur as 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: the head coach of the Green Bay Packers is to 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: get Aaron Rodgers back to playing at the level that 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: we've seen Aaron Rodgers play at in the past. That 42 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: is job number one. However he's going to go about that. 43 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: And when you look at Matt Lafleur's history as a 44 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach in Washington, he found a lot of success 45 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: with the guy who became the NFL offensive Rookie of 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: the Year and Robert Griffin the third. Then as quarterbacks 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: coach in Atlanta, he was the position coach for Matt 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Ryan when he wins his first m v P in 49 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen when the Falcons end up going to 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Then last year, he becomes the offensive 51 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: coordinator and a play caller for the first time with 52 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, and he deals with a number of 53 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: for an injuries, going back and forth between Marcus Mariota 54 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: and Blaming Gabbert, and transforms their offense into a power 55 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: running team with Derrick Henry and gets them to the 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: precipice of a playoff birth of a week seventeen win 57 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: to get in game, which unfortunately the Titans don't win. 58 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: But my point is he's found success with a lot 59 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: of different types of players, particularly quarterbacks and a lot 60 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: of different styles of offense in a lot of ways. 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: And I think that bodes well for what the history, 62 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: what what what the future holds here for this historic franchise. Yeah, 63 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: and it's funny too because you you you listed off 64 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: all those different quarterbacks everybody's worked with into me, maybe 65 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: the most impressive out of that group is what he 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: and Sean McVeigh did with Jared Goff in Los Angeles. 67 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: You really forget. I mean he did, he worked wonders 68 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: with Matt Ryan, helped him, you know, win an m 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: v P Award, took his game to another level and 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: there run to the Super Bowl in two thousand sixteen. 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: But Jared Goff, you think about what the na it 72 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: was around that young man coming off his rookie season 73 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: in two thousands. There were discussions of the bust label 74 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: with him for as high a draft pick as he was, 75 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: and things were not coming together for the Rams, and 76 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: uh that, as you said, the narrative quickly turned. And 77 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: it's in the fact that Carson Wentz was looking like 78 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: the next you know, the second coming of you know, 79 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: Johnny Unitis. I mean it was just incredible, Uh, everything 80 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: where things were at im for my money. Mike, You've 81 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: been around this game a lot longer than I have, 82 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: and I don't want to be a prisoner at the moment. 83 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: But the turnaround, the Rams had just their culture, their 84 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: offensive production. What they did from two thousand sixteen to seventeen, 85 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've ever seen anything like it 86 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: in the modern era. And then dramatic, he decides, instead 87 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: of just staying in the passenger seat of a very 88 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: comfortable car, I'm gonna go challenge myself. I'm gonna go 89 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: to Tennessee and be my own play caller. Dealt with 90 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: a lot of adversity there, Marcus Mariot are dealing with 91 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: some very significant injuries that he was trying to play through. 92 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: But yet they still found a way. And you take 93 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: all those experiences, what happened in Washington, his one year 94 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: in Notre Dame, what he got reunited with Brian Kelly, 95 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: You had the time with Matt Ryan in Atlanta, l A. Tennessee. 96 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Now he's with the Green Bay Packers. I think it 97 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: is the perfect culmination of all that experience, putting that 98 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: to work. Now. Yes, on the resume it says thirty nine, 99 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: but if you look at what he's done over the 100 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: last fifteen years and the ladders he's climbed. I mean, 101 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: this is a guy with a wealth of information that 102 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: he's bringing to this offense. Yeah, it's interesting the phrase 103 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: that you used with sitting in the comfortable passenger seat 104 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: of a car, because if he had stayed with the 105 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: Rams as offensive coordinator, Sean McVeigh as the head coach 106 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: is calling the plays on offense there. But with the 107 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: Rams going thirteen and three, being the number two seed 108 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: in the NFC this year and all of that, there's 109 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: a really good chance that Matt Lafleur would have been 110 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: interviewing for a lot more head coaching jobs than than 111 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. It turns out his risky move 112 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: to go to Tennessee to become a play caller for 113 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: the first time, to grow as a coach and try 114 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: to advance his own career in that way, in some 115 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: respects it dimmed his prospects because Tennessee's offense didn't light 116 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: it up and everything, and and it might have it 117 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: might have shied some teams away. The Packers looked at 118 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: it in a different way. They went behind the statistics, 119 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: They looked at the injuries that were dealt with, all 120 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: the circumstances that went into that, and uh, the chance 121 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: that he took in terms of going out of his 122 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: own comfort zone and not just saying, Okay, I'm gonna 123 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: ride the coattails of Sean McVeigh and Jared Goff as 124 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 1: long as I can until I get my shot. He said, 125 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go call plays somewhere so that when I 126 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: do get my shot, I'm going to be better for it. 127 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to be more prepared for it. That's how 128 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: Mark Murphy and Brian Brian Goudakums looked at this, and 129 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: and I give them credit for it. Now, who knows 130 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: if this is going to work out or not. Obviously 131 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: there's a ton of energy in the building. Everybody's really excited. 132 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm excited for Matt Lafleur. When you see a thirty 133 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: nine year old guy up there achieve his dream. He 134 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: is a head coach in the NFL, and he's a 135 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: head coach, which for one of the most historic franchises 136 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's a it's a great thing to 137 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: watch as as a as a spectator. But um, but 138 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: this process and and and the way the Packers went 139 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: about it. They talked to a lot of people, and uh, 140 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: there was no doubt in Mark Murphy and Brian Gudakunsen 141 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: russ Ball's mind that Matt Lafleur was the guy for 142 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: the job. Ten interviews that they conducted seven over a 143 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: span of three days last weekend, the last of which 144 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: was Matt Lafleur. They mentioned that they went at like 145 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: four or five different cities or something like that over 146 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: a span of three days. Yeah, but the thing that 147 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: was the most compelling about it isn't and rightfully so, 148 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: sometimes if you're interviewing all those people, the last one 149 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: is gonna look the most attractive. So they had to 150 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: step back. They had to make sure they took the 151 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: emotions out of it. And when they reassessed a couple 152 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: of days later, yeah, this is the guy that made 153 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: sense for the Green Bay Packers. The other thing to 154 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of bounce off of what you're talking about a 155 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: couple of minutes ago, he could have stayed in l A. 156 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: They could have had another a lot of success again 157 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: this year, thirteen wins. Uh, certainly look like they're gonna 158 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: be one of the front runners here to make a 159 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: run at a Super Bowl, but he probably wouldn't have 160 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: been as well conditioned to be a head coach if 161 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: he stayed there. This way, he did get out there, 162 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: he did get that experience. And Mike, I mean, correct 163 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here, But you go back and 164 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: look at the Packers history of when they've had success, 165 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: specifically on the offensive side of the ball, it's been 166 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: when they've had a head coach that's being the play 167 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: caller coaches coach Mike McCarthy, play caller Mike Sherman during 168 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: the best run that he had in Green Bay was 169 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: when he took over play calling again from Tom Rosalie. 170 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: You look at you know, Mike Homer and these guys. 171 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: This is how they get to this level. If this 172 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: is the way you coach, if this is the way 173 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: you play, if this is the way you work when 174 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: you get to that top job, why would you change 175 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: what you are? Tiger doesn't change its stripes, right, So 176 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: from that regard, I think for him to get out there, 177 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: put himself out there, be a play caller, gained that experience. 178 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: When you're sitting down in that interview, then as he said, 179 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: you can have that manual, you can have everything laid 180 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: out what it's gonna take to be a head coach 181 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: in this league. The GM, the CEO president you're talking to, 182 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna throw that in the middle of the table 183 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: and they want to hear what you have to say. 184 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: They want to hear about your experiences. I'll tell you what, Mike, 185 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: do you listen to Matt Lafleour go through how he 186 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: got to this position, the continuous upward climb that he's 187 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: been on. It's impressive because whether it was his intention 188 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: five ten years ago or not, he checked all the 189 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: boxes to afford himself this opportunity. Yeah. And when you 190 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: look at the Packers history, as you mentioned this last 191 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: quarter century plus of the success, the revitalization that began 192 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: with Ron Wilf and Mike Holmgren and whatnot, Mike Holmgren 193 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: didn't have any previous NFL head coaching experience when he 194 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: was hired. Mike Sherman didn't, Mike McCarthy didn't. The only 195 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: one who did was Ray Rhodes, who only lasted one 196 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: year and was gone after an eight and eight season. 197 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: And in this quarter century plus, the Packers have had 198 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: numerous playoff appearances. I believe it's seven trips to the 199 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: NFC Champion Chip Game, three trips to the Super Bowl. 200 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: So this this fits with how the Packers do things. 201 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: It's about it's about seizing the moment and seizing the 202 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: opportunity with somebody that they believe is ready for that 203 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 1: next step. And yes, is there a risk, is it 204 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: taking a chance on somebody who maybe hasn't proven himself. Yes, 205 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you let somebody else 206 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: take that chance, they're going to reap the reward in 207 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: success if they're the ones who were right. And if 208 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: you were sitting on the sideline because you because you weren't, 209 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: you know, willing to stick your neck out there. Absolutely, 210 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: I know you're a big gambler. I know it. I 211 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: see it in your eyes. But if you're sitting in 212 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: a blackjack table, the dealer isn't showing his hand. I mean, 213 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: it's it's it's how these things go. Probably a poker 214 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: analogy have been more suitable there. But be that as 215 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: it may, you don't know what you're getting. The whole 216 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: life is full of box of chocolates. Approach to this thing, 217 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: you have to go off your gut instinct. And Mark 218 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: Murphy said from the very beginning of this. He's been 219 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: through these things before. He did it at Colgate, did 220 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: it at Northwestern, He's done it with the Green Bay Packers. 221 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: You have to trust your process, you have to trust 222 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: the people, you have to trust the voices. I thought 223 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: one thing that was really enlightening. Murphy laid it all 224 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: out there in terms of what their process was, sitting 225 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: down with the Packers leadership council, with the players in 226 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: that locker room, what do you want out of the 227 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: head coach? A process that him and Brian Goodkins both did. 228 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: They pulled in a lot of different people, and in 229 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: the end they felt that they found a guy they 230 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: felt would be the right fit for this organization. Even 231 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: put him on the phone with Aaron Rodgers to discuss 232 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: this offense and where he wants to take things. And 233 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: we'll talk about this going forward to Mike. But the 234 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: fact that you know he did work with Matt Ryan. 235 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: He had to prove something to Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan 236 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: had been in the league for seven years already at 237 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: that point, and it's and had been been to multiple 238 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: playoff games that appeared in NFC Championship games and all 239 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: that before the Dan Quinn and Kyle Shanahan and Matt 240 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: Lafleur era began there on the offensive side. The same 241 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: thing that Mike McCarthy had to do when he had 242 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: to prove himself to Brett Fare, when he had to 243 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: prove himself to Joe Montana. Same thing when you look 244 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: at all these different coaches in the league that have 245 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: worked with veteran quarter acts or veterans at any position. 246 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: You need to show that you can coach. He's done that, 247 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: He's proven it, and now he's going to be working 248 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: with another m v P quarterback in Aaron Rodgers, who 249 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: I had to be honest with you, Mike. As much 250 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: success as the Packers have had over the last thirteen years, 251 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: there is a lot to be said for Aaron Rodgers 252 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: now at thirty five years old, getting a chance to 253 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: operate in a new system. It's a you know, things 254 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: like this don't happen a lot, so getting a chance 255 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: to see what he can do now, taking his skill set, 256 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: what he's done to this point in his career, getting 257 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: a chance to marry it now with Matt Lafleur's scheme 258 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: and system. I think it's an exciting thing and it's 259 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why to get off to the 260 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: beginning of her show. There is that real tangible energy 261 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: that you feel in the building. Right Yeah, I want 262 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: to get back to that point you just made about 263 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: Rogers in a second but but first year West. 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Try the delicious classic chicken noodle soup. 273 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: Just visit your local supermarket and ask for Campbell's Chunky Soup, 274 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: Official sup partner of the Green Bay Packers. Okay, we 275 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: know this all revolves or very much revolves around Aaron 276 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: Rodgers in terms of the immediate future here of the 277 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, And what I think is interesting because 278 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: this was my gut feeling going into this coaching search 279 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: from the minute the Packers decided to part ways with 280 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. In my mind, I was feeling like, if 281 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: you look at this as we're on the back third 282 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: of Aaron Rodgers career, just say, I don't know, I 283 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,599 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if saying back half that 284 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: might be asking him to play a little bit too long. 285 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: But if we say that, if he's on the back 286 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: third of his career, what's it going to take to 287 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: maximize this final stretch of Aaron Rodgers career? And in 288 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: my mind it was like, you know, do you have 289 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: to give him something completely new and challenge him? You know, 290 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: this is one of the most competitive guys I've ever 291 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: been around. He's competitive at everything, ping pong, Jeopardy, and football, 292 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: you name it. So if you're gonna if you're gonna 293 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: hand him something called the playbook or whatever, if you're 294 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: going to hand him something and challenge him and say, Okay, 295 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: you're one of the best that's ever played this game, 296 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: apply your Hall of Fame talents to this, let's go. 297 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: I think I think that's the best way to really 298 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: maximize on whatever it is that Aaron Rodgers has left 299 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: here before he retires and heads off to Canton, Ohio 300 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: at some point. So I like this approach from the Packers. Yes, 301 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee it's gonna work. There's no guarantee that 302 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: anything that the Packers were going to do here was 303 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: was going to work. That's why you have to go 304 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: through the process, as you said, and trust it. But 305 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers is potentially going to be re 306 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: energized and revitalized by the challenges that are now going 307 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: to be placed in front. If you know anything about 308 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: covering Rodgers, being around Rodgers, these are the type of 309 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: things that he really embraces. And the fact that you 310 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: cannot discount this either, Mike. The Packers finished six nine 311 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: and one last year. Aaron Rodgers is not feeling great 312 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: about that. He wants to win. There's probably nobody in 313 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: this league maybe has ever walked through this particular building 314 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: that's wanted to win more than Aaron Rodgers has. So um, yeah, 315 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: you know again, I don't want to put words into 316 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: his own mouth. We'll hear what he has to say 317 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: in April during the offseason program or everything else comes 318 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: out before then. But just knowing one that the packers 319 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: did the best they could to include as many different 320 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: voices as they could in terms of trying to understand 321 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: what this team needs, what do they want, What do 322 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: we need to do to put themselves back in a 323 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: situation of dominance? You want to get back to that 324 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: different plateau. That is not easy to attain, but it's 325 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: something that I think if you have that open communication, 326 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: if you have that dialogue, it's going to be there 327 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: for you and I one of the things that I 328 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: was really in us with And I don't know what 329 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: outside media and and pundance are going to do with this, 330 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: but I really did enjoy what Matt Lafleur said about 331 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, there's a big playbook. There's a lot of 332 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: plays in that playbook. If there's something you don't like 333 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: in that playbook, you don't feel comfortable running, tell me 334 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: will use something else. And I think to some extent, 335 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, people can be like, well then that's so 336 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: and so trying to dictate things. No, Mike, you and 337 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: I discuss things on a daily basis, right, We write stories, 338 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: we do things. Hey, how do you feel about this? 339 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: What do you want to do here? Do you want 340 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: to do something like this. Yeah, because if you're just 341 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: sitting there saying, hey, Wes, I want you to like 342 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: go around the office and and start you know, or 343 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: going around Green Bay and start collecting setting new sales 344 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: ads and things like that. No, I don't want to 345 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: do that. I wasn't paid to do that. I'm paid 346 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: to write. I'm paid to do this show. I think 347 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: it's really important to know what the whole barometer is, 348 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: what the landscape is, what do you feel comfortable with, 349 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: particularly when you're coming in with a new scheme with 350 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: a quarterback that you have coached before. That's what the 351 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: next three months are going to be about this coaching staff, 352 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: once it's developed, trying to set the place, trying to 353 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: set the plan, and then once April first comes around, 354 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: implementing that and getting that vision down. And just based 355 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: on their short interactions so far, again only a testimony 356 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: at this point in time to the floor, it sounds 357 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: like everybody's on the same page from that regard. Yeah, 358 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: it certainly looks that way, and we'll see how things 359 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: come together. Now. Matt Lafleur's number one job in the 360 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: immediate future is to build his coaching staff. He didn't 361 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: really get into any specifics in his introductory news conference 362 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: on Wednesday as far as that goes, there are some 363 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: reports out there about some coaches that he may retain. Um, 364 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: he didn't get into that. He said he is planning 365 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: to sit down with some of the members of the 366 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: Packers coaching staff from including defensive coordinator Mike Petton. So 367 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: we'll see how that evolves. And those are things that 368 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: we can discuss on on future shows as we get 369 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: the news of those decisions. But I think this is 370 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: something where he's, uh, he's going to act quickly and 371 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: swiftly and get this staff built because it's because now 372 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: it's about building that offensive playbook potentially you know, seeing 373 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: seeing what's there defensively, um, a special team's playbook, all 374 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: of that, because he's in charge of the whole show now, 375 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: it's not just it's not just the one side of 376 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: the ball. And he's also gonna want to have some 377 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: conversations potentially with Brian Goudakunst about Okay, here's what I 378 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: see on the current roster. These are the kinds of 379 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: things I'd like to do so in free agency, in 380 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: the draft, or there's are there some types of players 381 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: maybe we can target to to fill in some gaps 382 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: and fill in some holes as you uh as the 383 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: Packers transition to a new system, certainly offensively at least. 384 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of there's a lot of 385 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: work to be done and and quite frankly, he doesn't 386 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: have a whole lot of time to do it. No. 387 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean you think back to the first couple of 388 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: years of Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy. Uh. Ted Thompson brought 389 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: in Charles Woodson. Mike McCarthy had to coach Charles Woodson. 390 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: You have to be able to have that dialogue in 391 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: terms of what are the players we feel and need 392 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: to be here and how are we going to go 393 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: about using them and being able to maximize their talents. 394 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: That's the next step. Honestly, I think this the next 395 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks here, however, the shuffles out with the 396 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: coaching staff trying to finalize that. I've always felt this way, 397 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: it's one of the most important times of the season 398 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: because you're gonna have time to set down, sit down 399 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: and figure out what you want to do for a playbook. 400 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: You're it's not as much time as you used to 401 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: as far as working with players, but you're gonna have 402 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: that time to, you know, explain to them what the 403 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: vision is. But this is the time of the year 404 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: where everything is moving so fast, there's so much going on, 405 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: and it really does put that rolodex to to work 406 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: and making sure that you know, when you're trying to 407 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: set a roster of two individuals working towards a common 408 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: goal and finding a real common bond between them among them, 409 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: this is uh a pivotal time now for Matt Lafleur 410 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: as he looks to begin putting his step on this organization. Yeah. Well, 411 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: a couple more minutes before we go here on today's show, 412 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: US wanted to just get your thoughts on NFC divisional playoffs. 413 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: Are i should say NFL divisional playoffs coming up this weekend? 414 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: Four games. You've got Colts, Chiefs, Chargers, Patriots in the 415 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: a f C, Cowboys, Rams, Eagles, Saints in the NFC. 416 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: Is there any one of these four games that you're 417 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: looking forward to the most. There's a couple, really, three 418 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: are the ones that I'm most excited about. I'll just 419 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: say this is my favorite weekend of NFL football of 420 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: the year. Divisional playoffs you've got, you know, the Saturday afternoon, 421 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: Saturday night and then two games on Sunday afternoon, the 422 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: final eight. As you advanced to the to the final four. 423 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: That I think it's the best weekend of football there 424 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: is really excited to see how the Rams do. We're 425 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: talking so much about the Floor and his former connections 426 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: with Sean McVeigh. They have a tough, tough, you know 427 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: battle coming up here against the Dallas defense that looks 428 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: really formidable at this point in time, especially now without 429 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: the Bears in this thing. Saints and Eagles is interesting 430 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: just because of the you know, the the Cinderella story 431 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: again here with Philadelphia. But for me my money, if 432 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: you said West pick one game, it's that Charges In 433 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: the Patriots, it's Drew Brees Philip Rivers, a tale as 434 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: old as time. And as I wrote in Insider in Box, 435 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: I think there is a small part of me that 436 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: is rooting for a Philip Rivers Drew Brees Super Bowl. 437 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: I think if you're building up a card uh w W, 438 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: e UFC, whatever it is, I just think that that 439 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: is the biggest most attention you can bring those two 440 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: weeks building towards that all this time passed after those 441 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: two had been together. That would be a wonderful scenario. 442 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: But as far as this weekend's concerned, can Philip Rivers 443 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: exercise a few demons here against the New England Patriots 444 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: and advanced back to an AFC championship game. Yeah, there's 445 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: some interesting things here. I think there there's an interesting 446 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: narrative storyline to all four of these games because with 447 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: Colts Chiefs, I know it was a handful of years ago, 448 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: but that one playoff game with the huge comeback, what 449 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: wasn't it? Wasn't it the Colts that were down like 450 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: twenty eight points or twenty seven points or something like 451 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: that to the Chiefs in the postseason and they came 452 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: back and won. That was a while ago, I know. 453 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: But was that during Andrew luck second year? When was that? Yeah? 454 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: It might have It might have been Luck second season. 455 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: You can keep talking, Yeah, yep, it was yeah, Yeah, tremendous, 456 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: tremendous playoff game. Then you look at Chargers and Patriots 457 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: with what they're talking about for the weather in Foxborough 458 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: on Sunday, it could the cold and the snow, and 459 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe another Tuck rule game is on the horizon. 460 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: Charles Woodson will have to uh be sitting in a 461 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: in a sky box there at Gillette Stadium just in case. Um. 462 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: Then in the NFC, the Cowboys defense you mentioned it 463 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: going up against the Rams. This is the Cowboys defense 464 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: that really is the only one that we've seen, at 465 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: least through the second half of the regular season in 466 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: the NFL that was able to tame the New Orleans Saints. 467 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: And so this matchup with Dallas' defense going up against 468 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: the Rams out in l A. It's it's curious to 469 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: me from that standpoint. Can the Cowboys keep it up 470 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: on the defensive side and give their power running game 471 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: with Ezekiel Elliott and then you know those occasional over 472 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: the plays to a Marii Cooper with that that addition 473 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: to their passing offense from late in the year. And 474 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: then Eagles against the Saints. I don't remember exactly what 475 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: the final score was in the regular season, but the Saints, 476 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: the Saints, Claubert, these guys, and I'll just say this, 477 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: if you're the Eagles, you don't you don't get a 478 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: chance seven. You don't get a chance in the NFL 479 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: normally to come back in the playoffs and get a 480 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: rematch against a team that quite frankly rubbed your noses 481 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: in it. So as as bullish as I've been on 482 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: the Saints all season long, and the fact that they 483 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: have the number one seed and it's going to be 484 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: really tough for somebody to go into the Superdome and 485 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: beat them, the fact that the Eagles kind of got 486 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: their tails kicked, I should say this flat out did 487 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: get their tails kicked by this team earlier in the 488 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: season is what makes this one kind of intriguing to me, 489 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: because these kind of rematches don't happen very often. And 490 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: here's the biggest thing, Michael, the Eagles have absolutely zilch 491 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: to lose in this game. They're playing with house money 492 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: again again, could not have gone any worse the first 493 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: time that they played the Saints, So yeah, what what 494 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: do you have to lose in a matchup like this? 495 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: Go out? They got, They got the biggest break. They 496 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: got the biggest break any team could ask for in 497 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: the postseason. A tip, a tip and a donk and 498 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: a clock I mean on that field goal that that 499 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: won the game in Chicago for them and sent the 500 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: Bears to an early exit in the postseason. That's a 501 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: some sometimes that's all a team needs. But that being said, 502 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: I still think I still think the Saints in New 503 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: Orleans are going to be the toughest out in in 504 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: the postseason. Absolutely, and that's also I think one of 505 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: the reasons why we'll see exactly how the Rams do 506 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: if they you know, they've been up and down a 507 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: little bit during the second half of the season, but 508 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: if it would work out to where you could get 509 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: Dallas going into the Superdome against the Saints. You know, 510 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: one of the things that's really interesting. I have a 511 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: lot of respect for Rod Marinelli the defense that he 512 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: built there in Dallas, but what was one of the 513 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: biggest things that they struggled for years? It was trying 514 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: to find inside linebackers for that defense, middle linebackers for 515 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: that defense, especially with Sean Lee doing you know, working 516 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: through some of the injuries. And now you have a 517 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: story like Jalen Smith, the way he's played after such 518 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: a devastating injury coming out of college Layton vander esh 519 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: is one of the you know, an all Pro type 520 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: player right out of the gate. They're complete team in 521 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, and where do teams like 522 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: the Rams in Saints try to hurt you the middle 523 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: of the field. Would be an interesting scenario to watch, 524 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: especially if they get back to back matchups with those 525 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: two teams. Yeah, and however it comes out in the NFC, 526 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: I just realized this. No matter what the matchup is 527 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship, it will be a rematch from 528 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: the regular season. Whether it's because the Cowboys have played 529 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: the Saints and the Eagles obviously, and the Rams have 530 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: played both the Saints and the Eagles, so um, so 531 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: we'll see. I think maybe that's partly why in the 532 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: back of my mind I wanted to see the Bears 533 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: against the Saints playoffs because we hadn't seen that one yet. 534 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: But it didn't happen. So but should be a should 535 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: be a great, uh, a great two days of NFL football. 536 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: I'll be sitting down with my San Pellegrino and eating 537 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: a couple of pretzel sticks and enjoying these. I might 538 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: have something a little stronger than San Pellegrino, But with that, 539 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: we are going to call it a wrap on this 540 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of 541 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: our coverage of the team and what's going on with 542 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: the Packers head coach and his assistant staff on Packers 543 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: dot com. On Twitter, you can still follow him at 544 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: west hot I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers for the 545 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, We'll see you 546 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: next time.