WEBVTT - Chapter 2 | Ride or Die 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.160 This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:24.600 assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. Josett 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.120 Wright's bones were found in the woods off of Fields 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:32.640 Lane on November twenty two, nineteen ninety five. Two nights later, 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.040 Anthony was riding in a car with a couple of 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.600 his boys, or road dogs, as he liked to call them. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.720 One of them was his best friend, Andy Kreebak. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.840 Had a lot of adrenaline, a lot of energy, very energetic. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.479 Oh my god, that kid, he would just want to go. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.720 The kid at the wheel was Dom Neglier. At six 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.080 foot four and three hundred plus pounds. He was even 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.480 bigger and more imposing than Anthony. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.640 This case warms or like horse legs, like it's just insane. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.480 This guy right now, I'm close to six six six' 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.280 five and it depends on my. Shoes but he was. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.160 Big but he was like big and, big like you. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:19.040 Know the three of them were headed out Of Putnam. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.839 County we decided we want to go to This Jersey City. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.240 Rave AND i actually didn't want to just go to 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.240 The Jersey City. RAVE i wanted to try to make. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:35.200 Money anthony was HAWKING, pcp better known As Angel, dust 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.200 and en route they were getting souped on their own. 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:44.080 Supply that was the TIME i picked up sixty bags of. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.480 Dust think of a Tiny minila envelope and then a 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.760 little bag in. It back, then they had these big baggy. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.919 Coats they Were jean jacket coats with all these metal 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.880 buckles on them and, stuff and they had these super 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.720 big deep pockets and STUFF i just do in my. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.360 Pockets they were headed south on The Sawmill parkway when 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.520 one of them, said oh. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.280 My, god do you know who sister they found up 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:10.680 in the. Woods they said they found her. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:15.840 Bones anthony And andy barely Knew, joset but they partied 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.320 with her older, Sister chloe a few years. Back dom 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.680 meanwhile didn't know the. Girl he'd been raised in a different, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.880 town but he got caught up in their chatter as he. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:31.480 Drove when they reached The Jersey club in a dusted, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.639 Haze anthony handed some of his merch off to his. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.280 BOYS i gave you a bunch To dome And i'm, like, 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.360 WELL i Figure dom is big and people are going 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.680 to be scared of, him not to do anything stupid 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:43.320 or try to rob. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:48.120 Him but several hours later they left the club. SALTY 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.959 i didn't make a. Dime back in the, car dom 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.280 was at the wheel. Again, Oh anthony struggled to keep 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:56.720 his eyes. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:02.360 Open i'm fucking, Suited i'm. Zooted i'm sitting in the front. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.919 Seat i'm not blacked. Down i'm aware of what's around. 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.080 Me But i'm just so tired from all this adjusting, 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.040 dust AND i had my eyes. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:15.359 Close they were heading home around five am and taking 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.720 back roads to avoid The putnam, cops but somehow the 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.880 cops knew they were. Coming anthony panicked as their blue 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.160 lights blazed up in the. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:29.519 MIRROR i had no shot BECAUSE i was so. HIGH 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.400 i had drugs in every pocket a mile and BASICALLY 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.760 i got the stuff in my lap and my coat 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.000 and my, pants and it's like falling out of me. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.040 Everywhere the cops gank the three of them meta car 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.880 and cuffed and stuffed them at the separate. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.880 Cruisers me And andy were in the same, car and 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.320 then they Get dominic in another. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.520 Car they Brought anthony And andy to The Putnam county jail, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.200 house then put them in basement jail. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.160 CELLS i just Hear andy and to sell next to. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:03.720 Me he's, like, yo you got to help me. OUT 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.120 i only have one, back say it was. 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:10.839 Yours the Way anthony, suited he does the calculation when 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.040 more bad to the thirties holding it don't make no 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:18.720 difference when he's. Charged, Besides andy's more of a brother than, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.440 buddy and this is the least you do for. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:22.200 A, brother. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.080 The, bear saying That andy had been arrested, before in 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.160 fact twice that very year for. Possession anthony had spent 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.240 some nights in lockup, too though for juvenile, nonsense not. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.520 Drugs so both boys were bummed about this latest, bust 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.760 and not just because they were caught with felony. Weight 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.279 what they couldn't have known that night or the weeks 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.480 to follow was that this was so much bigger than. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.320 Drugs like the lost boys they, were they just walked 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.400 into a, nightmare a nightmare that would take them to 0:04:58.560 --> 0:04:59.960 decades to wake. Up for. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:30.240 My, madness laughter hides my, fears, sorrows deaths are. Endless this. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.760 Valley of, Fears. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.599 This is The devil's. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:06:02.039 Quarry in The Putnam sheriff's case file on the murder 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.800 Of Joseph, right you'll find page after page of the 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:10.880 CoP's handwritten. Scribbles some of those scribbles Concern anthony And. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.640 Andy but what isn't in there is a clear story 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.520 of their personal and criminal. Backgrounds if there was, one 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.440 it might sound something like. This beginning a decade prior 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.479 when the boys' lives took a hard. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:25.800 Turn. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.679 Anthony And andy had been each other's ride or die 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.240 since they were of grade school. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:43.919 AGE i Met andy around, ten maybe. Eleven we're family like, Now, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:46.160 oh they're family all. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.720 Right When anthony was, eight he stumbled in on his 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:55.240 father having. Sex anthony was. Confused for one, thing the 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.440 woman in question wasn't his. Mom his mom was in 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.720 the hospital recovering from. Sir for, another the woman was 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.200 a lot younger Than anthony's mom and his. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:13.000 DAD i heard, seventeen but eighteen at. BEST i was 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.360 coming out of my, room and then they were on the. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.320 COUCH i didn't understand WHAT i was looking. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:23.760 At that young woman Was Donna, Krevac andy's older. Sister 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:29.760 anthony's dad ended up Marrying Donna. KREVAC. I, Meanwhile anthony 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.400 and his mom moved to family, shelters where they survived 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.560 on public assistance for several. Years anthony's only consolation was 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:39.800 Meeting donna's kid Brother. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:45.760 Handy he winds up translating into my. Stepuncle the two 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:53.520 boys became fast. Friends you, know he was, crazy you, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.920 know if it's that defiany. Dought he did a stint 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.640 or two in. Juvie he would like to take his 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.400 dirt bite and the cops would be chasing, him and 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.000 he would just go with the dirt bike tomb he 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.600 be chased by The cotsume zoom. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.280 Zoom what the two boys had in common was their 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.800 betrayal by a. Parent andy's mom had been out of 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.960 the picture for, years and then his stepmom walked. Out 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.480 she was the closest thing he'd had to a. Mom 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.400 he soon began to act out in, class getting into 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.800 scrapes with the other. Kids by the time he ate his, 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.880 tweins he'd been bounced to special, schools the kind for 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:38.800 kids with conduct. Disorders the misery loved, company especially in. 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.839 Childhood anthony had been gutted by the rupture in his. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:47.239 Life suddenly broke and, homeless he'd had to change, schools 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:52.600 and at his new, one the bullies were. Relentless all these. 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.360 Other kids had great, families big swimming, pools nice. Houses 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.559 Now i'm wearing garbage clothes like couch potato shirt and 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.559 ripped jeans and cheap, sneakers and they would make fun 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.760 of me for. This they would spin on, me they 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.440 would throw things at, me a lot of people calling 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.320 me To, pippo to hippop because Now i'm eating all bad. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.000 Stuff because what do you have access to when you're? 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.280 Poor are you cheap? Food you, know and you eat 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.199 a lot of it when you don't have it. Around 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.679 SO i always, harbored kind of like a resentment for 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.679 these people that would make fun of. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.600 Meat and the other thing he And andy had in 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.600 common they love the meathead circus Of. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:37.040 WrestleMania wrestling was like the typical good first. Bad you 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.679 Have Luke, skywalker you Have Darth. Vader every hero needs a, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.480 villain and so for me that wound up being Like 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.440 Hulk hogan and Andre Aa. Giant Hulk hogan at the 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.280 time represented everything, good at least the character. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.319 Right And andy would watch the pay per views At andy's, 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.200 house acting at the stunts they saw on. 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:04.880 Screen so they had this big blue cage And Hulk 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.280 cogan was beaten up kN Kongk bundy his ribs were, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.240 taped and then all of a, Sudden bundy did the 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.560 splash an avalanche in the. Corner he hits them with the, 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.800 splash and then we think it's, over and Then Hulk 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.920 cogan kicks, out and then he goes against the cage 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.040 and then picks them up and slams them and then 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.840 pins them and then does all this flexing and, stuff 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.280 And i'm, like that was really. 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:32.000 Cool but the two friends wrestling was their rewrite, desk 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.480 the way to change their storylines in. Life they started 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:41.079 lifting weights and practicing kickflips in their, basement and they 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:45.760 staged those mini WrestleManias in their. Backyards and as they get, 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:50.080 bigger they shared other things, too first cigarettes and beer 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.880 than weed AND. Pcp on many an, afternoon you'd find 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.320 him in some kid's basement Cranking Wu tang and talking 0:10:58.400 --> 0:10:59.600 game to the ninth grade. 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:04.120 GIRL i didn't have a brother of my. AGE i, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.920 mean he's the closest thing That i've had to having a. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:14.040 Brother from the town's, perspective these two were partners in. 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:19.240 Crime they sold in consumed narcotics and shared them with 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.760 that risk girls from the group, home Which josette was 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:31.200 often seen hanging out back to that bag of angel 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:35.320 Does the cops found In andy's pocket When andy Asked 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.720 anthony to claim it was. His anthony didn't think. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.840 Twice SO i told the. Cops i'm, like, hey this, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.480 guy you gotta let them. GO i was just wearing 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.000 that coat AND i accidentally must have put that in his. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.040 Pocket but you, know they didn't let him. Go they 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:52.600 didn't let me. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.719 Go and what About? Dom he went home that? Night, 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:01.720 Yeah dom had been released after a few. Hours andy, 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.599 meanwhile went home a few days later with a misdemeanor 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:09.120 count for, possession but Not. Anthony he wound up with 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.839 a felony charge and sat in the county sail for six. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.400 Weeks you couldn't make. Bail what was the? 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.440 Problem, No, Well Big larry thought THAT i should learn my. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.600 Lesson Big larry Was anthony's. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:27.560 Stepdad he'd entered the frame After anthony's folks, split and 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.319 eventually pulled the boy and his mom out of. Crisis 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.240 he moved them into his big house In carmel and 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.520 Treated anthony like he was his own. Son better, Still 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.080 Big larry had a rep around. Town he owned a 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.720 thriving waste management firm and said to have had. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.120 CONNECTIONS i, mean if you asked the district, attorney he's 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.800 probably gonna tell you he's a. Mobster but he's just 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.679 a really good hearted person in the garbage. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.680 Business Big larry had tried to Steer anthony he straight 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.960 when he dropped out of school at. Sixteen he had 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.560 also hired him a lawyer for his earlier, scrapes so, 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.120 Naturally anthony phoned him after THE pcp, BUST. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.040 I Called Big larry And i'm, Like, larry you, KNOW 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.040 i was Begging larry help me, out And larry's, like 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.160 you need to sit there and then, eventually. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.520 But after this, bust, no he wasn't gonna do, It 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.560 So anthony would have to gut it, out sweating two 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:30.040 years of dope through his, pores a detoxing cold turkey 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.400 in a basement, cell. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:36.280 With the least of his. Worries the real terror was waiting. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:14:02.040 Upstairs the jail itself is connected to The sheriff's. Office 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.760 the building is won so it's a pipeline of information 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:06.720 whatever they want. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.360 From anthony had been to lock up before and had 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.200 a sense of how the place. Functioned whenever The sheriff's 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.680 detectives wanted. Intel they called down and, say send me, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.040 in made up up and they get. 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.880 Them people that are going are either under interrogation or the, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.320 rats and they're going to give some. 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:29.000 Information and so the morning After anthony's, arrest the guard 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.720 sent him. Upstairs still wasted from the night, before he 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.800 sat with two detectives in an interrogation. Room they started 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.120 off asking him who he hung, with local folks who 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.520 popped up on their, radar and then they suddenly switched 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:52.080 started asking About Joseph. Right anthony. Flinched he'd been popped for. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.360 Possession what did that have to do with the dead? 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.840 Girl did you see the? Girl, YEAH i SAW i 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.960 walk around a few. Times we knew the. Girl we 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.360 knew a little bit about her family, life we knew 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.920 she wandered a. Lot this went on for a while 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:13.560 to no. Effect when those cops gave, up in came 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:14.040 the heavy. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:20.040 Hitters there was A Costalo Pat. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.520 Costaldo The elvis impersonator with a pompa do her hairdoar 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:29.280 as the cop who'd Investigated josette's, disappearance even namely detective 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:34.400 in her. Murder there Was Bill Quick quick Like nostaldo 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.320 was a veteran detective at The Putnam Sheriff's, office but 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.120 neither of them had run a homicide, before and Once 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.680 josette's body was, found they were under fierce pressure to 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:45.960 get a. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.640 Result they were getting aggressive and they were trying to be, 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:54.360 like we, know you know. Something there was accusatory and raised, 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.520 voices and then one cop would go, out and then 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.920 then we have another cop come in and be, like 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.160 you should just tell them a little bit better and 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.880 what more you, know and he would be more. Nicer 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.640 so the good cop bad cop was a real. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.400 Thing according To, anthony one of the cops playing bad 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.840 cop was a dinosaur Named Don. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.720 Killarney you know when they say you, age everything gets, 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:20.600 Bigger well that really happened to this. Guy i'm sitting 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.560 across From Don killarney And i'm, like, LISTEN i don't like. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.720 THIS i pleaded the. FIT i want my. Lawyer he's, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.520 like fuck, you fuck the, fit and fuck your. Lawyer 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.480 we have a murder case. Here and he was like 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.680 big with his hands were out and you know all 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:43.920 ears all knows all. Forehead they Interrogated anthony for. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.680 HOURS a week or so, Later anthony was driven to Neighboring, 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.640 brewster where he was arraigned on the felony drug. Count 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.440 on their way back to lock, up the detective at 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:57.320 the wheel turned to. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:02.360 Him michael ball drew me back from the felony hearing 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.240 In brewster and he put me in a front. Seat 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.640 AND i didn't have no handcuffs, on Right he, Says 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.560 see how easy you're sitting, There and it's gonna be 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.919 really easy for. You we got this investigation with this little. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.320 GIRL i know you're involved with all these, Drugs like 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.480 we know you're doing THE. Pcp we know you know. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.320 Everybody we know you know. Something and, then according To, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:24.800 Anthony ballstown. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.359 Shifted we could cut you dealt least, said give you witness, 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.240 protection pay your way to, college. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.280 He, Says or you know WHAT i can. DO i 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.119 can take you over the Fields lane right now and 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:38.680 blow your head. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:49.280 Off over the course of the next, week Says, anthony 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.920 he was hauled into interrogation rooms half a dozen. Times 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.440 in one of those, sessions he agreed to a polygraph. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.879 TEST i sit down into this chair AND i remember 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.840 NOTICE i looked at the machine and machine said nineteen sixty. 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.960 Nine and even in ninety. Five i'm like, that it 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:13.159 looks like an earthquake. Machine right rode the dials and 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.159 then he, puts like you know when they do the 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.399 oxygen for. You he puts one on my, pinky and 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.320 then he puts a blood pressure cuff on. Me and 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.360 he's got three cards and he pulls one card. Out he's, 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.000 like one's going to be a, lie but you just 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.359 say yes to. Everything so he's, like, here does this 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.679 card have a blue dot? Yes does this card have 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.439 a red dot? Yes does this car to have a 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.479 yellow dot? Yes and one of the cards got. Different 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.760 next THING i, know my lawyer literally breaks through the 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.200 door and he had like a red eye FROM i don't. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.160 Know he must have got hit with, something so one 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.000 eye was completely. Red he's got like this long buster 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:49.560 and he just looked like a hero in a fricking 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.760 wind and he, says you got to get my client 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:53.159 off this. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.000 Thing you got to come with, Me you got to 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:59.000 get out of. Here that, Lawyer Jim, reads had helped 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.400 him out of scrapes the. Past to this, day Though 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.520 anthony has no idea How reechs knew about the polygraph. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:10.240 Test i'm, Like, jim what's going. On he's, like we're 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:10.800 gonna make you. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:16.359 Confess the guards Brought anthony back to his cell the 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.199 first chance he. Got he called home in a. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.560 PANIC i was yelling With larry on the. PHONE i 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:23.960 think they're going to charge me with. Murder you got 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.880 to get me out of. Here this Time larry heard him. 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.600 Out he Helped anthony make. Bail but If anthony thought 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.320 that his nightmare was, over well he didn't know Those 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:37.159 Putnam county. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:20:03.119 Detectives By january of ninety, Six anthony was out of, 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:07.600 jail back home with his mom and. Stepdad he was 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.040 pulling regular shifts For Big, larry who was trying to 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:12.480 keep his problems step job. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.280 Busy larry's, like you should go hang on the. Truck 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:21.040 so Now i'm working in the garbage. BUSINESS i love 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.560 the garbage. Business you were hanging the truck and you 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.800 throw it hair in your. Wind all these you, know these, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.520 women these old dadies coming out with sandwiches and foil 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.840 and old cake that tastes like. Asparagus and you, know 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.920 all the delis would be giving me, sandwiches bars and hot. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.159 Wings and it was really the time of my. Life 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.200 alas when he wasn't pulling. Garbage he was getting up to, 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:52.920 trouble partying with his crew like nothing had. Happened WHEN 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:57.720 i came, home the next thing Was. Neglia that's big Dumb, 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.760 naghlia the guy behind the. Wheel the three of them 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:05.240 got pinned for. Possession anthony wasn't seeing much handy those, 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.679 days But Big dom was right there for, him so 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.840 like he was picking me. Up we would hang. Out 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.640 sometimes we go To. Newburg we would go To New 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.760 York city and we would drive back and you, know 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.000 sometimes we just go get pot and we'd hang. Out 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:25.520 and one day we were In Dan barry and he 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:27.080 said something About Susan. 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:32.160 Wright wait a, Second susan, right as In josette's. Mom 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.480 anthony knew her from when he partied at the right 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:40.000 house With josette's oldest. Sister But Dom dom didn't grow 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:40.280 up In. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:44.480 Carmel that didn't make me feel good because why does 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.280 he even know this person's? Name AND i looked at him, 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:53.760 funny and it felt LIKE i was being recorded. 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:57.760 Sitting in that. Car anthony flashed to the night they 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.800 were all arrested FOR. Pcp it's something That dom did 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.480 that night as they were driving. Home that had never 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:05.240 made sense to. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:10.880 Him dominick does something really really really really. Weird he's, 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.879 LIKE i got to call my. Grandmother he's living on 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:19.800 his grandmother at the. Time it's somewhere between three four maybe. 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.320 Am it was just, like why are you calling your, grandmother, 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:23.520 Slate she's probably. 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:28.200 Sleep But anthony was half asleep himself and he was 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.879 zonked in the back, Seat So dom pulled over and 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:32.560 made his phone. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:36.280 Call After dom made the phone, call it was all back. 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.239 Roads i'm, like we got to be really. Safe so 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.840 we're driving behind the hospital and we're using all these 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.879 backways and, shit and that's when we get pulled. 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.960 Over it came back to him Now dom got into 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.640 a separate cop car that. Night what happened in that 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.679 car and why they Let dom go home after they 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.280 booked him And andy for? Possession Was dom the reason 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.440 those cops grew told him About josette threat to kill 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.960 him if he didn't come. Clean el Was dom still 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.600 working with The putnam cops to pin the murder of 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:12.439 a twelve year old on? Him anthony snapped back to the. 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:16.760 Present he Told dom to pull, over got out of a. Car, 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.679 yeah BUT i slammed the door on. HIM i slammed 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:22.560 the door in his, face AND i called him around. 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:29.240 For. 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.560 Anthony things took a turn after that. Night In Big dom's. 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:37.480 Car he'd started sniffing cocaine all night. Raves now he 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:42.480 sniffed or smoked it, whenever and that habit fed his mounting. 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:47.080 Paranoia after four or five months of bad choices and 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.680 daily drug, Use anthony felt his life spinning. 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:54.359 Out when you do cocaine for a long period of, 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.399 time it starts to wear on. You my mind was 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.119 kind of, changing like the street life this. Is it's 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:01.800 all like starting to stress me. 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:06.480 Out and so In june of ninety, Six anthony decided 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.199 to make a. Change he was on parole at the 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.000 time and figured the smart thing to, do let's just 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.680 go back to, jail violate parole by failing a drug, 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.880 test and then use the time in lock up to hit. 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.399 Reset he was, relieved even excited about the. 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:27.760 Prospect i'm actually feeling Like i'm going to make a 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:30.080 change in my. Life you, Know Big larry's trying to 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.520 push me off into a college direction or working for, 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.640 Him So i'm, like this is a nice reset for, 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.280 me be out fresh for the. Summer my job. Back 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:42.040 So i'm, like WHEN i head in And i'm gonna 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.320 come out fresher than, ever my life is going to 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:45.080 be fricking. 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:48.480 Beautiful so he went back to jail with a chin 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:50.679 up high for a twenty day stint In. 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:56.080 County i'm on day, ten eleven. Twelve there's NO TVs down. 0:24:56.160 --> 0:25:01.240 There right on the fourteenth day was, first nineteen ninety. 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:09.320 SIX i get called the. BOOKING i go up the. 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.960 Booking they, SAID bci wants to SEE Bci bureau Of 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:18.200 Criminal investigations as this old group of jerk. Offs i'm, 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.399 LIKE i got nothing to. Say send me back to my. 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:21.919 SIDE i just want to go to. Myself oh you 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:25.199