1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Ron and Aien. I guess we really should enjoy driving 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: our cars. I was reading an article this week that 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: talked about the beginnings of roots sixty six. It was 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: just so interesting to see ways to get across the country. 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: We're just so much easier across through a sixty six 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: that you just look at the romance of the automobile, 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna go to trains and self driving cars, 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: and you know, where's the fun of men The car 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: doctor think about cars as a whole and think about 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: systems as part of the car, and that's you know, 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: that's how you got to maintain Welcome to the radio 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: home of Ron and Anian the Car Doctor, since this 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: is where car owners the world overturned to for their 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: definitive opinion on automotive repair. If hair mechanics giving you 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: the garage doors are open, but I am here to 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: take your calls. At eight five five s now running, Hey, 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: it's time to start your engines. Run. Don't ain't even 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: card doctor here at five zero nine nine zeros That 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: didn't have enough peppin it? Did it? Tom? Was that? Okay? 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure it's nice to see 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: you over there, buddy. Next time. Next time sitting on 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: the fun teck, Yeah, you have more more? Should I 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: try that again? You want to you want to play again? 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: Let's three to Hey, it's time to start your engine. 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: It's not maybe I'm tired, Tom No, no no, no, no, no. 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: We're alive right now, so there's no retake. Sorry, dude, 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: Is that what it is? That's one thing I love 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: about radio. You make a mistake in radio and you 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: go on to the next thing. It's a lot like 31 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: life before we go anywhere. By the way, Car Doctor 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: Show dot Com the website, and we're glad to have 33 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: you here with us. I've got a comment about something 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: last week. Tony didn't get him because of the trains. 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: And we've been talking about this because the trains in 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: New York City. You know, I don't understand this, all right. 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: This is this is like if one day you find 38 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: out they can't make Q tips, right, They've only been 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: making que tips for a gazillion you and you know, 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, which sometimes you do. You ever 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: get a bad Q tip that's really bad. It kind 42 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: of pulls off the stem and that's you hate that, right, like, 43 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: why can't they make They used to be better? You 44 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: think Q tips as a kid. Tony couldn't get here 45 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: last week the trains in New York were all cock eyed, 46 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: and you say to yourself, gee, how come they can't 47 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: manage the trains. They've only been running the trains when 48 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: the subways start running in New York City the eighteen nineties, 49 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: the turn of the century, right into into into the 50 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: twos into the nineties. So I've been running the hunt 51 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: in twenty years. We can't get it right because so 52 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: now we're gonna create self driving cars and autonomous vehicles 53 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: and you know all that other stuff. Can you say 54 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: jackass on radio? N Oh, that's right, Okay, we're live. 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: I keep forgetting that. So Fia Chrysler just just know 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: what was going through my mind when I read this 57 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: article that you know, this is what we've created. Fia 58 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: Chrysler warns four point eight million owners don't use the 59 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: cruise control. This is in today's paper. Now think self 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: driving cars while I read you this store. Fiat Chrysler 61 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: is recalling four point eight million vehicles in the US 62 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: because and are rare, like this is rare, but terrifying circumstance, 63 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: drivers may not be able to turn off the cruise control. 64 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: The company as warning owners not to use cruise control 65 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: until the cars and trucks can be fixed with a 66 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: software update. FIA Chrysler says the condition can occur if 67 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: the cruise control accelerates at the same time as an 68 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: electrical short circuit happens, but the brakes are designed to 69 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: overpower the engine and the vehicle could still be stopped. 70 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah UM in a complaint file with the National Highway 71 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: Traffic Safety Administration, and owner from Kansas said a sen 72 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: dodged Journey rental vehicle was being driven about seventy miles 73 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: per hour with the cruise control and when the windship 74 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: wipers came on by themselves and the throttle locked up. 75 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: The owner, who was not identified in the agency's complained database, 76 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: wrote that the cruise control could not be disengaged by 77 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: tapping the brakes or turning off the button. The driver 78 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: was able to slam on the brakes gets the HUV 79 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: to the side of the road. It was still running 80 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: an engine speed to support seventy miles per hour and 81 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: fight the brakes. The driver wrote the engine stop button. 82 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: This is where it gets a little scary. The engine 83 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: stopped button wouldn't work, but the driver was able to 84 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: halt the STUV and shift at the park even though 85 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: the brakes smoked significantly. Wow. So imagine if this is 86 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: a self driving car, how would a self driving car 87 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: shut down? I guess it wouldn't have cruise control. Of 88 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: self driving cars always in cruise control, right, But think 89 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: about that's just insane. And they're gonna fix this with software, 90 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: or so they believe. But here's the scary part. And 91 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: we should go back and find the name of that 92 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: professor we had on the show two years ago from Michigan. 93 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: He was teaching at the Technical College. Maybe it's longer 94 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: than two years, maybe it's three years ago. He was 95 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: teaching at the Technical College. It's the only university program 96 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: in the country that writes software code. And he was 97 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: telling us how there's more software code three years ago 98 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: in audible bills than there are in Boeing seven sixty 99 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: seven's And look at how they're I mean, you know, 100 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: if you're driving a Fiat Chrysler right, and now what 101 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: cars are affected here? The recall includes fifteen different Geep, Dodge, 102 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: Chrysler and well that about covers the whole line. Then um, uh, 103 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: fifteen deepen is what they're saying, Not fifteen different fifteen Jeep, Dodge, 104 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: Chrysler and Ram models from six model years. That doesn't 105 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: make any sense. So includes a bunch of vehicles. Models 106 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: in Canada, Mexico and other countries are affective, but the 107 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: company is still sorting out which one's affected models include. 108 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: Nobody's driving any of these nineteen Ram pickups, eighteen UH 109 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: pickups and chassis cabs, Christler two hundred christs or three 110 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: hundred seventeen and Christler Pacific of Minivan, Dodge Challenger. If 111 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: you're driving a Chrystler, you should eat it. You should 112 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: eat home tonight because you probably don't not go somewhere 113 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: far because you know, you turn on the cruise, it 114 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: may be the last that you may really go for 115 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: a cruise of a wortal day weekend. Um. That's why 116 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: I was thinking of that word that I can't say 117 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: on radio that Tony says, it's okay, but I'll only 118 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: say it once because you know it's too close to Sunday. Um, 119 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: so leave it at that. But UM, just be aware 120 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: of a serious So if you're driving a Chrystler. I 121 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: thought that was important to get out that there's a 122 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: recall out there right now. FIA Chrystler's almost five million 123 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: owners don't use the cruise control. That's insane. That's really insane. 124 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: I I that boggles my mind. And we're gonna have 125 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: autonomous cars. We can't get the software right. And this 126 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: is what got me. We we can't get the software 127 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: right in cars that were behind the wheel and we 128 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: have the ability to shift. Would you like to be 129 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: sitting in the back seat of an autonomous vehicle and 130 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden thing accelerates. You know, we're gonna 131 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: be reading about Fia Chrysler autonomous vehicles getting ready to 132 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: install injector seats. You know what are gonna do? Put 133 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: a parachute on the person, the roof opens, boom, you 134 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: hit the button out the guy pops. You know. Hey, 135 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: that in two fifty would be like a carnival ride 136 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: down the shore. Okay, you can walk up, you can 137 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: walk back home and night, get yourself an orange snow cone. 138 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: You're all setting ready to go. I mean, that's more. 139 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: That's insane. Oh my god. So maybe this is the 140 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: government's way of thinning the heard. I'm not really sure. 141 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: We're just gonna, like, you know, knock people off in 142 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: self driving cars. That could be the next thing we do. Anyway, 143 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: for the time being, this is Ronandandy in the Car Doctor. 144 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: Until they probably the microphone out of my called dead 145 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: hands and take you off the air. Let's kick the 146 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: garage doors open and let's go over and talk to 147 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: Linda in the wonderful state of Auburn and the town 148 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: of Auburn, Texas. Linda, welcome to the Car Doctor. Thanks 149 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: for allowing me to invent a little bit. I feel 150 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: much better. Thank you very much. Oh yeah, no, that's 151 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: no problem. And thats Alvin Texas a l B. I 152 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: N okay, they have Auburn and we want to get 153 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: that right. Alvin, I think Tony, didn't you go to 154 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: college in Auburn. No, I went to college and outside 155 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: of Houston on Prairie View, A. Now I know what 156 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: she's at. She's outside of Houston. She's in a Texas. Yeah, 157 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: I know where she's at. Okay, well, at least we 158 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: know where she is now, so let's get the typing right. 159 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that, Linda. How can I help you today. Uh. 160 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: I have a Toyota Camry that I brought bought brand 161 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 1: news back and the mileage on it started off things 162 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 1: three two point one mile per gallon, which was great. 163 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: I was very excited about that. But as the time 164 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: has pawne on, it has lesson to each year to 165 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: where now I'm at twenty eight point two miles per gallon? 166 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: Has your driving or have your driving habits changed over 167 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: the last you know, three years or four years? Still 168 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: still the same commute? Okay? Um, no extra weight in 169 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: the vehicle. You didn't go from becoming a feather salesperson 170 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: to an anvil sales person. There's there's nothing extra in 171 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: the trunk. Tire pressure has all been checked all along 172 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: the way. The car has been serviced regularly. There's no dashboard, 173 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: warning lights on, et cetera. Correct, Okay, nothing. First question 174 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: I always come to when whenever somebody asks me this 175 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: question is what is the e p A mileage rating 176 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: for the vehicle? I do not know. Okay. If ep 177 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: A mileage rating is thirty two, then you might have 178 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: a legitimate argument. In question is why it's down? Roughly? 179 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: You know what is that twelve? Alright? Um? Something like that. 180 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: That's a pretty steep number. See a lot of people 181 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: look at that and go, A, it's only five miles 182 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: per gallon. Yeah, but it's twelve percent. That's a pretty 183 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: big number. All right, if E p A you know, 184 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: highway traffic. If if if the mileage rating is eight, 185 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: then guess what that's where you are? Why was it different? Then? 186 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: Cars do funny things. There is a breaking period. Um, 187 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: you know when you hear stories on my side of 188 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: the fence anywhere from five the first five to the 189 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: first fifteen thousand miles and I'm sure this was longer 190 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: than that. I'm sure you'll tell me that. You know, 191 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: you've got decent miles the first year. You probably put 192 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: miles out of the first year. I'm guessing that's correct, 193 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: and it was right, So, um, how many miles are 194 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: on it now? Right? Um? What did you do with 195 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: What kind of service did you do with thirty? I 196 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: did not do a service at dirty? Okay? But you're 197 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: changing the oil? Oh, yes, correct, Yeah, they're they're two 198 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: separate things. How often do you change in oil just 199 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: out of curiosity? Every six thousand mile? Okay? And who's 200 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: doing that? The dealer? Yes? All right? Did they ever 201 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: talk to you about fuel system cleaning or fuel injection 202 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: cleaning anything like that. Uh, they did the last time, 203 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: and instead of me paying their price. Um, it was 204 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: suggested by several men that I used the injector additives 205 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: and switch over the shell gas into premium, and instead 206 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: of the mileage getting better, it dropped from twenty nine 207 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: p m one point two. Okay, did you did you 208 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: go back to whatever brand of gas you were using? No? 209 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: I did not. All right, So, and I have a 210 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: couple of thoughts I want to I want to just 211 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: touch on real quick. Gasoline is the wild card in 212 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: the fuel economy. Cha all right if and I never 213 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: look at fuel economy. I'm just thrilled to be able 214 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: to buy gas. I never really pay attention to, you know, 215 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: but I also you know, I work and live within 216 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: a twelve mile radius of everything. Uh. You know, a 217 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: short trip in Texas is three hours later we finally 218 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 1: get to the corner store because it's such a big state. Um, 219 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know Saturday night there is yeah, 220 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: well you know Saturday night dinner is an is an 221 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: eight hour round trip. You know it's uh uh you 222 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: know we're going out for ribs. Good luck with that. Um. So, 223 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: fuel economy is important if you if you're chasing fuel economy, 224 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: it's got to be the same brand. And I'm not 225 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: saying anyone particular brand, a name brand, something with good 226 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: detergentitives in it. Shell is great stuff, alright, but I 227 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: like the Pico good stuff. UM, Exxon Mobile good stuff. UM. 228 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: But you're looking for something with additives in it, and 229 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: you want to be consistent. You want to buy the 230 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: same product every time, all right? Long term that will 231 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: have an effect on how the computer perceives things. And 232 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: you know what before I rushed this answer, Linda, stay put. 233 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: Tom's given me the high sign. Let me pull over 234 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: and take a pause for the cause, and I'll be 235 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: back right after this to finish it out. I'm rond 236 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: in the car. Doctor will return. Don't go away. Don't 237 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: you hate when you need some expensive partner service. It's 238 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: sure makes maintaining your car a frustrating task. Thankfully, pep 239 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Boys has over a million parts in stock, like batteries, filters, 240 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: break pads and more. 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Now back to Ron, Linda, are you 251 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: still there, Alvin Texas. So we're talking about, you know, 252 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: fuel system cleaning and and and things like that. So 253 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: you were saying that you had ports a fuel tank 254 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: aditive in the tank. Okay, so you know, doing a 255 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: fuel tank aditive in the tank is is good maintenance, 256 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: all right, but it doesn't replace a formal, correctly done 257 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: fuel injection cleaning. That The difference is, it's it's you know, 258 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 1: what goes in the tank isn't as concentrated. It's it's 259 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: sort of like taking a vitamin D pill because you 260 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: know your your blood count is low versus sitting out 261 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: in the sun eight hours a day. Alright, one's gonna 262 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: one's gonna do more good for you than the other. 263 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: But you know, we all don't have time to lie 264 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: around and take a suntown. Um. That being said, fuel 265 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: tank aeditors are good. I would think about getting a 266 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: fuel injection cleaning done where they physically hook a machine 267 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: up and run of the turgent cleaner through the fuel rail, 268 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: clean the injectors. It'll clean carbon deposits off inside the engine. 269 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: Definitely a good maintenance idea at this point in the game. 270 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: Check and make sure tire pressure is good, all right, 271 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, just just just the basics. Um, it doesn't 272 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: hurt to look at wheel alignment and then or breaks 273 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: dragging things like that. I don't think that's gonna be 274 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: your issue, but I don't want to overlook something so 275 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: simple we were talking about. We're talking about fuel brands, right, 276 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: so you know one of the things that goes wrong 277 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: with cars is we start hunting around and we start 278 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: looking for well, you know, shells the cheapest this week, 279 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: excellent is the cheapest that week, and then it's Snowco 280 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: and then it's then it's then it's you know, BP 281 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: and and so forth. Each manufacturer has different blends. Um, 282 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, a fuel they there, you know, they have 283 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: to market and sell us something, so they create things. 284 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: Um and that consistency, you know, the computer reacts to 285 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: those two to those changes, and it's it's always searching 286 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: and hunting. So in a way, using one consistent brand 287 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: of fuel, in a way, if you think about it, 288 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: is you're tuning the engine to run on that. You 289 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: are getting the computer used to that brand, that blend 290 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: of fuel. And the question becomes which one works best? Right, 291 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna ask me that question. Yeah, that was the 292 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: next question. And here's the answer. All right, And we 293 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: should record this because I don't really say this on 294 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: air very often. I don't know. You're gonna have to 295 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: try them all, and you know you're gonna have to, 296 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, do a consistent test. I would, I would 297 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: do a fuel injection cleaning. I would do a good 298 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: additive I And and I like tech Ron as a 299 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: fuel system additive. I like Berryman too, And I think 300 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: I I give the edge to Berryman right now. I 301 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: think Berryman B twelve chim tool that we talked about 302 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: from time to time, and I have talked about tech Ron. 303 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: I think Berryman B twelfth chim tool right now has 304 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: the edge. They've had it for a while. UM, I 305 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: think they've reacted to the changing problems with carbon issues 306 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: over the past two years, because it's really gotten to 307 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: be a very predominant, very big issue for for vehicles 308 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: UM in the last couple of years. And uh, their 309 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: their high energy solving technology, the hest formula that they 310 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: call it, that they market it with it it does work. 311 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: I would try a can of Barryman's in there um 312 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: available at your local oreillyot To parts are scattered all 313 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: over Texas someplace else for you to drive um, you know, 314 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: uh and and by all means, but you know, in 315 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: terms of an actual carbon cleaning, I gotta get a 316 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: gotta get somebody to do a real fuel system cleaning, 317 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: um and see how it reacts to that. Short of that, 318 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: the next thing I would I would do just out 319 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: of curiosity. You know, if you went to the doctor 320 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: and you said, Doc, I'm feeling kind of sluggish and 321 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't really feel good, and he's gonna start giving 322 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: you some shots and vitamins and start playing around. He's 323 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: probably gonna do a heart rate and blood pressure test 324 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: before I'd probably take a shot of fuel trim, I 325 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: put it on the scan tool and drive around graph 326 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: out a few things. Look at look at sensor activity 327 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: and fuel trim both before and after. Am I making 328 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: any difference? If I make a difference, that I know 329 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: it was a step in the right direction. If I'm not, 330 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: then you know, at least I tried. But at least 331 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: I have numbers to refer back to, you know, having 332 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: test results is always a good thing. And then last, 333 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: but not least, let's not forget I'd be curious. I'll 334 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: have to google it myself to see. What's a camera, 335 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: what's the what's the fuel economy reading? Um? You know, 336 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: like I said, if it's twenty five, I wouldn't tell anybody. 337 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 1: They'll come and take the car away from you. If 338 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: it was supposed to be thirty five, then you've got 339 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: a legitimate case to complain. Um uh, you know. But 340 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: that's that's really where I kind of see it. Does 341 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: that make sense? It does? Is it possible that an 342 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: O two sensor is working its way to going out 343 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: in the warning line just hasn't come on yet? Absolutely 344 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: very possible. So But but but the O two's you know, 345 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: they test O two censors. The only thing tested more. 346 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: They know two censors in this world today are kids 347 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: between the sixth and twelfth grade trying to figure out 348 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: what they should do with the rest of their lives, 349 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: which is, you know, they give them all kinds of tests. 350 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: They test O two censors, probably twelve or fourteen different 351 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: ways on the average late model car. There are so 352 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: many things that they're looking for in terms of, you know, 353 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: how it's reacting and what it's doing. What your mechanic 354 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: could do, all right, is there's there's a piece of 355 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: software in a vehicle called Mode six m d E six. 356 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: Mode six. Mode six is the when the when the 357 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 1: doctor says, hey, nurse, check her heart rate and blood pressure, 358 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: and the nurse records those numbers. Mode six is the 359 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: computer saying, hey, check Linda's O two sensors. Mode six 360 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 1: is the piece of the software that does the actual 361 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: testing and records it. So you know, when she takes 362 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: your heart rate and blood pressure, maybe it's supposed to 363 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: be you know, eighty, um, maybe it's one twenty, maybe 364 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: it's one forty, over a hundred. It's not a failure yet, 365 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: but it's gonna record it. Same thing with Mode six. 366 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: It's gonna look at switch rate in all the different 367 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: ways the O two sensor gets tested and you know, 368 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: if if if it's supposed to be a tent, whatever 369 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: the number is, if it's supposed to be a ten 370 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: and euro two cents or is at nine? Hey, you 371 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: know what, it's not a failure, but it's getting there. 372 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: It's something to go look at. You get it, you know, 373 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: and that that number ten is probably literally twenty four thousand, 374 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: three and ninety it's some ridiculous big number. Um in 375 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: mode six. Mode six numbers are just huge. But those 376 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: are the things I would do. And if you want to, 377 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: if you want to listen to this conversation again, um, 378 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: after the show today, go to Car Doctor show dot 379 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: com and you go to the podcast page. You can 380 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: download the second hour. You'll be an hour too. You 381 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: started up somewhere around fifteen minutes past the top of 382 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: the hour. You can catch it from there on down 383 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: play it back to your mechanic, Linda, I appreciate the call, 384 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: and good luck to you down there Texas. Way. I'm 385 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: not a nating of the Car Doctor. We're back right 386 00:19:48,520 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: after this. Look back on the end the Car Doctor. 387 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: Let's go over and talk to Dave in Long Island 388 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: or seven f one fifty day. Welcome to the car doctor, sir, 389 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: how can I help? Yes, good afternoon, How are you good? 390 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: How are you all right? Okay? So, um, I do 391 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: have it's a two thousand six automatic, and I had 392 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: this problem since the winter. I never got to checked 393 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: out and I tried to do a few things. Um, 394 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: the it doesn't want does not want to go into 395 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: fullward drive alright, select the switch on the dashboard and 396 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: no lights come on, doesn't engage, it stays in two 397 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: wheels drive. Um did it? Did it die or was 398 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: it one day it just didn't want to shift into it. 399 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: I just didn't want to shift into I want to 400 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: use it, and no light came on the dashboard and 401 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: just you know, I realized it wasn't engaged. We had 402 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: a snowstorm and it was a sliding over the place. 403 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: So okay, that's when I realized we had a problem. 404 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: Any any had it been a while since she since 405 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: you had used it, Dave? You know? Or is it 406 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: your everyday vehicle or was it sitting for a while 407 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: beveray vehicle? But I, um, yeah, it doesn't like I 408 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: use it all the times my secondary vehicle and just 409 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: went to use it because it was a snow stars 410 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: let me use my fullard right truck, and I would 411 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: engage any any repair attempts. Yes, um, that motor, it's 412 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: on the trans case underneath. I didn't get a I 413 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: guess a new one that had it installed by a 414 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: local mechanic and no change it because I was reading 415 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: articles that that's the common problem, which which which it is? 416 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: But before I did that, which it's easy for me 417 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: to sit here and say that. But before I would 418 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: do that is has anybody scanned this done any sort 419 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: of diagnostic to it. Um. I did go to a 420 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: local transmission guy put a scan thing on it. I 421 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: don't think he was up to date on how to 422 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: use it. And he was just talking, oh, we check 423 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: the transmission, all this stuff out night said you're not 424 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: touching my transmission. So because the truck, let me let 425 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: me let me tell you this story. I had a 426 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: Chevy Suburban came into the shop this week Thursday, as 427 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, and the customers complaint was the 428 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: air conditioning didn't work. It had it had just been 429 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: to the dealer. The dealer did a recall to it 430 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: and it came out the air conditioning didn't work. So 431 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, where would you go, how do you fix this? 432 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: You're you're thinking, there's so many possibilities and so many 433 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: what ifs. First thing I did, like I do on 434 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: everything now, is I I did a system skin. I 435 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: looked at all the modules I read for fault codes, 436 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: and there weren't any. But then I went into data 437 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: stream and I started looking at a C pressures, pressure switches. Um. 438 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: You ever you noticed before you go to bed at night, Dave, 439 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: you you checked the front door and make sure the 440 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: front door is locked? Right? Well? You you know, so 441 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: what do you do? You you you walk over to the door, 442 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: you wiggle the door knob and yeah, it's locked. Okay, honey, 443 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: let's go to bed, right. Um, you kind of have 444 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: to get in the habit with cars today of checking 445 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: the front door using a scan tool, all right, because 446 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of things you can see that 447 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: go beyond just wiggling the knob, and you know, sometimes 448 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: it's you know, like if this is a bad uh 449 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: shift motor, it's you typically see a p is in 450 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: PTER eighteen sixty seven. That's the fall code usually comes 451 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: up in the powertrain control module. But you can also 452 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: go and look to see what is the state of 453 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: the control module. In other words, through a good scan tool, 454 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: not O B D two manufacturer specific software. You'd have 455 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: to be a little bit further up the food chain. 456 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: In terms of a scan tool, you can go and 457 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: look to see, you know, where's the control switch for 458 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: the motor, where's the contact plates? What are they reading? 459 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: All right? You can you can diagnose this. Now. You 460 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: can do this with a volt meter too. You can, 461 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, get out a wiring diagram and go wire 462 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: for wire, white, violet, yellow, light, blue, orange, et cetera, 463 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: and start pinning out wire colors and you know, where's 464 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: it reading? Um? And then you can also go back 465 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: to you know, the switch and you know, do I 466 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: have power and ground at the switch? UM? I would sure, 467 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: I would surely go through fuses and see, you know, 468 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: And just for giggles, I always ask is there anything 469 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: else in the truck not working? Any accessory? Is you know, 470 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: a cigarette lighter? Um? Um, any interior light? Is there 471 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: something else electrically not working that might ultimately lead me 472 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: to well, you know, the fluse, the fuse for the 473 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: cigarette lighter blue, and I don't know this for effect 474 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: on your truck, I have to look at a diagram. 475 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: But you know how many times I find well, the 476 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: cigarette lighter fuse blue, and you know the cruise control 477 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: stopped working and nobody can make the connection. Um, you know, 478 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: and all because of the twelve dollar Hoizon you know 479 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: cell phone charger or a T and T cell phone 480 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: charger that you know shorted out. Um. So where I 481 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: would begin this diagnosis is if if if I were 482 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: looking this up on my own wire R diagram, I 483 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: always look at the circuit. Um. I want to look 484 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: at power distribution to see what fuse feeds that component 485 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: and then how does it get to that component? And 486 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, is that fuse working? Once I've established fuses 487 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: are good because there could be more than one fuse 488 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: for any component today. Yeah, there is on that truck 489 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: up for that forward drive. I actually checked some fuses up. Um. 490 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm an aviation guys, so it kind of like falls 491 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: into your kind of yeah yeah, I got you know, um, 492 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: but they all seem they all did seem to be fine. 493 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's certain um, I guess relay fuses where 494 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: it goes right? Does the switch light up? No? No, 495 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. The dishboard doesn't engage the light four 496 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: wheel drive, I mean without when I turned the keyty on. 497 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: You see what the lights dishboard, the four wheel drive 498 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: is showing it. You know that the light is active. 499 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: But when engaging, nothing happens. Usually hear a clicking sound, 500 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: you know. I guess on that motor under need to 501 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: you don't hear nothing coming right, it sounds like there's 502 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: no power probably to it, I guess, because that's well. 503 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: But before before we go there, all right, before we 504 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: go there? All right? If you're are you an aviation mechanic, 505 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: a pilot and engineer? Okay, so we're getting the plane 506 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: ready for takeoff? Dave, Um, what's what's easier? The pilot says, 507 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: the flaps don't work. We're gonna plug in the scan 508 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: tool and look to see can we read the servo 509 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: motors for the flaps or we're gonna crawl out inside 510 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: the wing at ten thousand feet and see if we 511 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: can wiggle it. Right, you gotta go right, you got 512 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: you gotta go with the equipment first, I understand. So 513 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: that's where you are. Um, you know you can't you know, 514 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: we gotta call it like it is, right. We can't 515 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: count the trans guy that went well. We gotta take 516 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: all this apart because we really don't stand how to 517 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: read the scan tool. That's not really a diagnosis. Um 518 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: that is you know, hopefully he didn't charge you for that. 519 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: Uh you know that that you know, quest you any money. 520 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: That was just a lesson in Okay, this is not 521 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: how we're gonna do it. So you know, I want 522 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: to go like I should bring it to Ford and 523 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: have him do it complete scanning on this thing to 524 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: see what's going on. Ford or somebody qualified. I you 525 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: know what, there's there's good and bed and old repair shops. 526 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be you know, I've said it for years. 527 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,239 Speaker 1: I haven't gotten thrown up the are yet because of it. 528 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: But you know, just because there's a Ford MM over 529 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: the Ford Guy's store or the Chevy and when with 530 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: the Chevy guys store, all that means is he went 531 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: out with the factory, ripped the night before, got him 532 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: liquor it up, they signed the contract, that made a deal. 533 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: Hey you're you're the dealer now. Doesn't mean he's you know, 534 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's good or bad. It's just that's it 535 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: is what it is. That's the way business is. Um. 536 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: It's it's it's somebody's got a diagnosis. And and the 537 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: easiest way around this is beyond codes. What does data 538 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: stream show? If data stream shows that you know the 539 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: motors there, but it's in an open position, well wait 540 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: a minute, now, it's supposed to be closed that you know. 541 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: We're are we what are we doing? We can do 542 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: a lot of testing with a scan tool and that's 543 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: the point of this conversation without having to get our 544 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: fingers dirty and without having to really lift the hood 545 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: at this point, um, you know, between that and wiring 546 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: diagram is where I would start this diagnosis. Alright, sir, 547 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: and hope hopefully you kept the old motor because you 548 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: may find out that that wasn't it and um yeah 549 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: you probably so alright, do that and give me a 550 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: shot back next week and we can talk some more. 551 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate, Thank you very much. You're very welcome. Dave. 552 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: You take good care of five zero nine zero zero, 553 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: run in any of the car doctor coming back right 554 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: after this. I've got time right it on the wall, 555 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: so you don't forget to call for car advice. Done right? 556 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: Eight five five five zero zero zero. Now back to row. Hey, 557 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: let's um, let's see if we can do this right. 558 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about Mitchell one and sure Track. 559 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: Sure Track is the folks at Mitchell one mitchell one 560 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: dot com. It's their database of known fixes. And this 561 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: is kind of neat and this is free. You can 562 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: go out there and read all this stuff for free. UM. 563 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: I've been pulling these off the web and we're we're 564 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: setting something up with them where we're gonna do this 565 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: every week because I think it's good, solid, timely information. 566 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: Here's one that talks about, let's say, real fixes from 567 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: Mitchell one shure Track. Um, what are you doing? Your 568 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: A B S light comes on? If you had a 569 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: code reader, you might use it to see what's going on. 570 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: In this case, you need to seek professional help. Um, 571 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: you hear that, Tony. You need professional help. Follow this 572 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: real fix to see how code for the park Assist 573 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: system and this F one fifty effected the A B 574 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: S two thousand four pick up F one five four. 575 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: It had a code seventeen forty two replaced the park 576 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: Assist control module and then the the The complaint was 577 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: the customers stated the A B S lights on, they 578 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: connected to scan tool and found a code C as 579 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: in Charlie seventeen forty two. Rear sounder circuit failure at 580 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: IDLE shifted the transmitted transmission into reverse while looking at 581 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: scan tooled data, and so the rear park assist censor 582 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: parameter wasn't present with the ignition on on the engine off. 583 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: They use the multimeter. They checked for the presence of 584 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: voltage in grounds. You see how we get in the testing. 585 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: You know, nobody just changes things right at the Park 586 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: Assist Center connector and found signal voltage was not present. 587 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: Performed the inspection of the sensor wiring and detected no 588 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: obvious faults with the ignition on the engine off. We 589 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: then went and looked at the Park Assist Control Module connector, 590 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: inspected the connector terminals and found no faults with the 591 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: cognition on an engine off. Used the multimeter check for 592 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: the president of voltaging ground at the Park Assist Control module, 593 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: found both were president. The results of the test verified 594 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: the park as Assist Control module's faulty replaced cleared codes, 595 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: performed the road test and verified the vehicle operating property. 596 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: The abous light did not illuminate. The nice thing about this, 597 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: all right, and Mitchell comes up with these all the time, 598 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: and these are real world fixes. You know where they 599 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: get the sure track real fix fixes from is they've 600 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: got a mechanics community. So you log into work on, 601 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, a two thousand four f one fifty, and 602 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: they will record that repair as as the conversation around 603 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: the mechanical community the forums grows and is discussed and 604 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: they will then you know that's a unique story or 605 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: something that somebody else they feel. You know, there's enough 606 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: vehicles out there they're seeing a common pattern failure, so 607 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: on and so forth. Because Mitchell Mitchell works with snap 608 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: On actually building common pattern failures are Common Pattern Failure Database. 609 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: It's part of the pattern failure database that snap On 610 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: builds into their scan tools, which is a whole another story. 611 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: And you know it helps us as professionals. They canna 612 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: help you too to repair the car. The nice thing 613 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: about this, and there's a lot of nice things about this. 614 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: You got to Mitchell one dot com, forward slash shop connections, 615 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: forward slash short track real Fix and I think anybody 616 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: can read these, so you can go and take a 617 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: look at these and see what the benefit is of 618 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: using the short track repair method, and um, you know, 619 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: get some good solid information. I want it takes to 620 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: fix the car because listen, it's it's like the conversation 621 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: we had. What I remember it was this hour, the 622 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: previous hour where I talked to you about the oh 623 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: three Chevy Tahoe that had the lean fault code. And 624 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: it turns out number five spark plug wire shorted created 625 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: a backfire, blew out the PCV and the mass airflow 626 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: sensor and the spark plug wire itself went bad because 627 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: of animal damage and animal had shoot up wire the 628 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: spark plug wire itself. Something like that would probably make 629 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: sure track repair because you know, it's a little different 630 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: and it's it's more than just this broke and we 631 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 1: put it in and we fixed it. Um. And they 632 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: also give you some testing that you might want to 633 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: consider doing so you can find more, like I said, 634 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: out at Mitchell one dot com and you can kind 635 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: of take it from there. So let's do that real quick. 636 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: But I got a couple of I'm trying to do 637 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: some housekeeping. UM, I want to bring this up. This 638 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: is from the Car Care Council. I'm trying to get 639 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: to this for a week now out of Bethesda, Maryland, 640 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: and it talks about you know this is that, don't 641 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: forget the pre trip car here, check up before you 642 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: begin to journey to Memorial Day weekend. Um, hopefully if 643 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: anybody's getting ready to take a ride for Memorial Day 644 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: or at least at the very least while we're you know, 645 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: doing the the you know, getting ready for the summer 646 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: cruise kind of a thing. Um, let's talk about the 647 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: car fluids, filters, oil. When was it lass service, wash, 648 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: your fluid break transmission? You know, cars still need maintenance, 649 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: they still need fluids and um, you want to get 650 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: all that done before you hit the road. And obviously 651 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: check the brakes, check the battery, and take a look 652 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: at the tires because they're what's keeping you safe out 653 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: on the road. More information available. I think it's Car 654 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: Council dot Car Care Council dot org. When we come 655 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: back from the break, I'll have Tom Ray look it 656 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: up in the health pass it along to me. I'm 657 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: running anating the car doctor. We'll be back. We're right 658 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: after this. Don't go away. Hey, welcome back running in 659 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: the car doctor, real quick? John in Alabama? John, How 660 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: can I help you, sir? Run in any at your service? Yes, sir, 661 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: I will think about buying it late months, maybe a 662 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: transit exit are the dodge Potmaster, But I can't find 663 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: much information about the how reliable are usually cars? You 664 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: can go to to some reports, but there's not much 665 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: information that I can find all those types of vehicles. 666 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: What are you trying to achieve? John? You know what's 667 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: what's your end used for the vehicle? Oh? I was 668 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna try to do a conversion to an r V. Okay, So, 669 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: first of all, vans in general, my experience as a 670 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: mechanic forty three years of doing this are a nightmare 671 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: to maintain. All right, Let's let's have that conversation right 672 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: up front. Um, if if vans were easier to maintain, 673 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: to do anything beyond oil changes in basic breaks and tires, 674 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: I would have owned one twenty years ago. But you know, 675 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: doing any kind of service is just tedious in time consuming. 676 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: So make sure if you're gonna buy one, you've got 677 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: a real purpose for it. All right. That's number one. 678 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: Number two, if you're going to convert a van into 679 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: an r V, I'm not sure who I would talk to. 680 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: I would probably you know, my first question would be 681 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: have you seen any transit vans or Dodge vans, like 682 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: you're considering buying that, you know R and R V. 683 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: So is there a manufacturer out there that's that's that's 684 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: converting them already? And if you know so, that's that's 685 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: the first question. Have you seen anybody driving? You know? Why? 686 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: Why did you pick those two just because they happened 687 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: to be probably the only two left. Well, there's a 688 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: there's the sprainer, but they're all diesel. And what look 689 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: I can understand is that there is the age these 690 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: So I would stay away from that with just because 691 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: of the diesel engine. And yes, it's the pro master, 692 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: the extent to that use quite a bit and the 693 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: chance I've seen, um good enough people use them. So 694 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: then the next question is why would you just why 695 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: would you go through the you know, just talking right, 696 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: We're just two guys talking. Why would you go through 697 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: the pain of converting one when you can just go 698 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: out and buy one? Um, well, I'm retired and I 699 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: like projects. Well, I would talk to the manufacturer of 700 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 1: that van. I would go look at that van and 701 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, can I buy a set up prints from you? Yeah? 702 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: Why not? Right? Um? But but you may also find 703 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: that you know, when you go look at one of those. Um, 704 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: let me let me ask you like this, John, and 705 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: you know I just met we're now we're good buddies. Right, 706 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: I can ask you this, how old? How old are you? 707 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: All right? Do you want to go cruising in this van? Um? 708 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: You want to go take a ride in this RV? Right? So, so, 709 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's nice to have a project. But maybe 710 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: you buy an RV that's you know, and you're always 711 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: gonna be working on it. It's always gonna be a 712 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: little bit of a project. There's always something to do 713 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: to an RV, all right. But you know it's seventy one, 714 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't we want to get out on 715 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: the road and and and and not spent three years 716 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: in the driveway. If you follow what I'm saying, I 717 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: want to want to start driving it. And that's probably 718 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: where I would go. So try that. Talk to the manufacturer. 719 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: We'll go from there. I'm want any of the car 720 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: doctor equip mechanics on expensively place. Listen,