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Speaker 1: the beginning of our podcast, George, how the hell are you?

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Speaker 2: Beginnings can be fraught.

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Speaker 1: Start there.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I do. Sometimes I do wish we could just

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Speaker 1: See, I completely disagree. I love the falseness of the beginning.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it works well for my sensibilities. I think

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Speaker 2: is now the low before the last leg of our tour.

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Speaker 2: We're talking Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. You

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Speaker 2: need to pause this podcast, open our Instagram and click

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Speaker 2: on the link in our bio and buy tickets and

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Speaker 1: Well, what I want to say about tour that I

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Speaker 1: I think I will never forget Day two. We're in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: novel People Clyde comes out September twenty sixth. Please put

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Speaker 3: You, thank you. I feel like this is proof that

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Speaker 2: Well, I remember very clearly when you first wrote that,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, integrity has a half life. Yeah, like, we have

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Speaker 2: I am past that, right, and now that you're promoting

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Speaker 1: They should. They'd be like this character never, Harry Potter's

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Speaker 2: So ile, what's up.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know, not much, just hanging out. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: What's going on. I oh, I am preparing for a

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Speaker 1: All do you think your personality will change when you're

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Speaker 3: questions that I want in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's good. I would love to see the

440
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Speaker 1: different package rates. If you pay five thousand, it's sort

441
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Speaker 1: of a like you're a great writer. If you pay

442
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Speaker 1: you know, ten thousand, it's you're a voice of a generation.

443
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Speaker 1: I would go platinum with it. I would I would

444
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Speaker 1: do the fifty thousand and say you're the only person

445
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Speaker 1: who's ever written a book.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, for one hundred thousand, they actually remove every

447
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 3: other book from the Oh so actually yeah.

448
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Speaker 1: It's I mean, but it's worth it.

449
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Speaker 2: Really, I mean, placement really, placement really is everything.

450
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Speaker 3: I get so stress.

451
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 2: I get so stressed when I'm in a bookstore. I'm like,

452
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Speaker 2: let's take a pause for two years. No one write

453
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Speaker 2: a book for two years. After People Collide comes out,

454
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: no one write a book for two years, so we

455
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Speaker 2: can all catch up. Because, quite frankly, sometimes now I'm

456
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Speaker 2: like books that I have been like sort of putting off.

457
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Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a minute, that now came out six

458
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Speaker 2: years ago.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it hurts. We got a pause.

460
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm like a professional. And I still can't

461
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Speaker 3: even keep up with them, like all of them, and

462
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 3: they keep like and I have to like and then

463
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Speaker 3: I have friends books that I have to read as well.

464
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Speaker 2: Totally, Oh my god, don't get me started.

465
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. When people are I hope they're not listening,

466
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna trash all my friends.

467
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Speaker 2: Yeah, who's your most overrated friends?

468
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: Moving on?

469
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Speaker 1: When people are like like, okay, these are like the

470
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Speaker 1: twenty best books of the year. I'm like, hold on,

471
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Speaker 1: so you've not only read those twenty, but I have

472
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Speaker 1: to assume at least twenty plus or like this is

473
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Speaker 1: this is getting a little wild.

474
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Speaker 2: You going up to like a professional book critic and

475
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Speaker 2: being like, I'm sorry you read twenty.

476
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Speaker 3: But here's the little secret.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't really know.

478
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: They don't.

479
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 3: It's true, Yeah they don't.

480
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Speaker 1: So they're just kind of Riffin's kind of in college.

481
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Speaker 3: If you look at those lists, you might say that

482
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Speaker 3: they sound yearly similar to the back copy on the

483
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Speaker 3: back of the book. Oh yeah, yeah.

484
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: Well you know what honestly like And we don't have

485
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Speaker 2: to talk about this with you right now as someone

486
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: who has a novel coming out, but one of my

487
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: favorite topics is basically like the blurbing ecosystem. Like it is,

488
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Speaker 2: I feel like the average person doesn't really know how

489
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: it works, and they're like, oh, Zadie Smith. Zadie Smith

490
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: woke up and was like, I have to blurb this book.

491
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Speaker 2: It is the best thing that has ever happened. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 2: And in fact, what happens was quite the office.

493
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Speaker 3: What happens actually, what happened normally is that Zadie Smith

494
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Speaker 3: was your teacher. H right.

495
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Speaker 2: Y, that is a big that is a big one.

496
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Speaker 2: But I also feel maybe Zadie says not the right example,

497
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Speaker 2: but it's you know, it's sort of like you're like, Okay,

498
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Speaker 2: who's going to blurb my book? And then you sort

499
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Speaker 2: of court them. Often it's someone you know, it's someone

500
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Speaker 2: that has the same publisher as you or whatever.

501
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Speaker 1: I mean.

502
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Speaker 2: I think in Ile's case, actually everyone did wake up

503
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and call and say

504
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Speaker 2: I want to do this. It's so But but for

505
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Speaker 2: every yeah.

506
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 3: Everyone was pushing me to try to like get on

507
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Speaker 3: the back of this book.

508
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you're actually I heard you're releasing a

509
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Speaker 2: zine actually of all the rejected blurbs.

510
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and they're very bad, Like I can't believe

511
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: even people even like submitted with the total Yeah yeah, yeah,

512
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: you actually both submitted blurb.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's true.

514
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: That's right. We did.

515
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: Didn't want to make this weird.

516
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Speaker 2: They were not literary.

517
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Speaker 1: Enough, Yeah, they were.

518
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Speaker 2: Both of ours were sort of like too, and like

519
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: mine was like Ile, they did.

520
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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, mine was I've heard of we bought a zoo.

521
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Speaker 1: But they wrote a book.

522
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Speaker 3: So I'm adding both of them actually did the website.

523
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Speaker 2: I do love sometimes like seeing some of the blurbs

524
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: be you can just tell someone just wrote it on

525
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: a napkin and was like I don't have time like here,

526
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Speaker 2: and and it's like like sometimes a blurb will truly

527
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Speaker 2: be like this popped off the page, period.

528
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Speaker 1: Do so that does the blurb person have to read

529
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Speaker 1: the book or no.

530
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Speaker 3: I have read to the end of every book that

531
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Speaker 3: I've blurbed.

532
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Speaker 2: I think that's nice.

533
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: That's very respectful.

534
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is my journalistic integrity. I mean, and to

535
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: be clear, you know, but now that I've thrown that

536
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Speaker 3: out the window, I don't.

537
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Speaker 2: Sure, you know. And you run in you know, you

538
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: run in these like literary sophisticated circles. But there's also

539
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: books that are written by literally like a sort of

540
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Speaker 2: a balist celebrity or someone who wrote like two Shouts

541
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Speaker 2: and Murmurs for The New Yorker and you someone in publishing.

542
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Speaker 2: And I think those are more sort of like pay

543
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Speaker 2: to play.

544
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Speaker 3: M yeah exactly. When it's like Ethan Hawk that says

545
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Speaker 3: like engrossing.

546
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or often if it's like sorry to blow

547
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: people's minds. But often it'll be a comedian writing a book,

548
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: and then the blurb will be from the host of

549
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Speaker 2: the late night show that comedian rights for.

550
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: Oh okay, we're exposing too much. Some people need to

551
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: believe in magic.

552
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: I've come on here to take down publishing.

553
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: Well, it's working.

554
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: Listen. I honestly it would not take much. Literally, just

555
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: like a little tame I think it is a hanging

556
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: is hanging on by a thread from what I read,

557
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: from what I read on the Instagram account publisher's brunch.

558
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, future historians, we'll look back at this episode as

559
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: the thing that finally ended publishing.

560
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: Yes, well put out of its misery.

561
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: The last book to be published is isle Mcalroy's People.

562
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Speaker 1: Should we do our first segment?

563
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: I think there's absolutely no other option but to do that.

564
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Speaker 1: I'll our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in

565
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Speaker 1: this segment, we will ask you a series of rapid

566
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Speaker 1: fire questions to gauge your familiarity with and complicity and

567
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: straight culture. That's basically this thing or this other thing.

568
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: And the only rule is you can't ask any followup

569
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: questions or we will scream at you. So that being said,

570
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: are you ready to start?

571
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: I am George, do you.

572
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: Want to kick us off?

573
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: I would love to people collide by Isle McElroy. Or

574
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: there's a divide in this great contry.

575
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 3: There's a divide in this.

576
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: Okay, committing friendly fire, or recommending to your friend the wire.

577
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: Oh, the wire, winning the lottery, taking a pottery or

578
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: oatmeal that's watery, taking up pottery.

579
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Speaker 1: Okay, soup dumplings or group humpings.

580
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 3: Uh, soup dumplings.

581
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: Okay? Are you changing your mind?

582
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: I almost I am changing Okay, No, No, I almost

583
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: asked a follow up question that would have.

584
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Speaker 1: Been horrible for good that you call.

585
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll finding treasure at an estate sale or seeking

586
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: pleasure with an effect?

587
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: May hmm?

588
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: I stayed so okay, I'll wearing a camel back on

589
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: a big hike. We're singing sexy back at girls'.

590
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: Night sexy okay, committing to the bit, admitting to defeat,

591
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: or baby sitting an ungrateful little shit.

592
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: Wow?

593
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: Oh, babysitting on ungrateful little shit?

594
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow?

595
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: Okay, And this is one I'm actually pulling from the

596
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Speaker 1: DC Live show, So don't get mad at me if

597
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Speaker 1: you live in d C and saw it live. But

598
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: eating a bowl from Chipotle or getting called old from

599
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Speaker 1: someone who's twenty.

600
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's what they said in DC too.

601
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: That was true.

602
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of universal.

603
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you ever need community, just move to DC. Wow.

604
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Speaker 2: You know I gotta say, you know it's gonna have

605
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Speaker 2: to go ahead and be nine hundred and thirty does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to agree. Know, there was such a knowing. Uh,

607
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: it was such a lived in performance. But you know,

608
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Speaker 1: of course we had to docu a little bit because.

609
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Speaker 2: Well, because of the lack of journalistic integrity.

610
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Speaker 1: Needless to say, And that's pretty much it.

611
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Speaker 3: You know, we do you want me to fact check

612
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Speaker 3: my answers?

613
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Speaker 2: Like we have an in house pack change, we have

614
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Speaker 2: an in house fact checker. And they actually keep ringing

615
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Speaker 2: the alarm that everything had been falls so far.

616
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Speaker 1: But the performance was great, So what are you going

617
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Speaker 1: to do?

618
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Speaker 2: The performance was great?

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Speaker 3: Where Renegadesada, it's a segment now over?

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Speaker 2: Its officially over. Now you can ask questions? Can I

621
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Speaker 2: ask my follow up question?

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Speaker 3: Le? Okay? So was it soup Comma dumplings, Comma group

623
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Speaker 3: humpings or soup dumplings.

624
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Speaker 1: Soup dumplings soup dump one?

625
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Speaker 3: Okay?

626
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Speaker 1: Would that have changed? Your answer.

627
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it would have changed so much.

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Speaker 1: You're right, I forget these writer types you so I

629
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Speaker 1: can put a comma here and suddenly it's all different.

630
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Speaker 1: Should we get into the topic?

631
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Speaker 2: I think? I think so, I'm actually really excited about

632
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: this topic and it is something that we coincidentally have

633
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Speaker 2: been talking about ourselves. So I'll please what is your

634
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Speaker 2: topic and what is straight about it?

635
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Speaker 3: Okay? So my topic is lunch, and there are tons

636
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Speaker 3: of things that are straight about it. So I think,

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Speaker 3: first off, lunch assumes that you have a job. I

638
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Speaker 3: think it's hard to have lunch if you don't have

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Speaker 3: a job.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, if I'm just hanging out at home all day,

641
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Speaker 4: it's probably breakfast if you're eating at noon, right, So like,

642
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Speaker 4: lunch assumes that you have a suit on that you're

643
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Speaker 4: like leaving your office to go out someplace like the

644
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Speaker 4: three Martini lunch.

645
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: Oftentimes deals are happening deals very straight.

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 3: Lunch is when you're younger, packed by a mom as

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Speaker 3: part of a like nuclear family. Absolutely lunches, I think

649
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: they name another meal that has a set time, it's

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Speaker 3: always lunch, totally right. There's an assumption that it's only

651
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Speaker 3: going to be at this one moment. I also think,

652
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Speaker 3: oh wait, the lunchable, which I want to eventually get into,

653
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: is the MRI, the most militaristic of lunches. But it's

654
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Speaker 3: like teaching kids how to be in the army wow,

655
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Speaker 3: by getting them ready for There also the lunch room,

656
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Speaker 3: this site of social hierarchy where what you eat is

657
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Speaker 3: decided upon. So I think everything points to lunch being straight. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I guess I want to push back. You've thrown

659
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: so much at us already. You're obviously trying to confuse

660
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Speaker 1: us up top and make us enable to communicate. But

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Speaker 1: I want to start with the having a job part. Yeah,

662
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Speaker 1: to me, this is complex because I like to skip

663
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: breakfast and or say I'm skipping breakfast and almost pretend

664
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: like almost like I'm covering up a secret that I

665
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: woke up at like ten or whatever. I'll be like,

666
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: you know what, you don't deserve breakfast, You get lunch now,

667
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: and I like to skip breakfast as punishment and have

668
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: lunch instead.

669
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: Okay, but punishing yourself for not having a job is

670
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: also straight. You're being like, You're like, why can't I

671
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: just be normal like my father?

672
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: No, that's actually true.

673
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: But does that lunch become breakfast though? Like that?

674
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing. Yeah, I think lunch

675
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: is defined, yes, by the time, but also by the

676
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: type of food. And I think if you're eating an egg,

677
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: for example, at noon, it's breakfast, but if you're eating

678
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: a turkey sandwich at noon, it's lunch.

679
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: What if you're eating a turkey sandwich at nine am.

680
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: Then you're insane and you're off your rocker. Then you're

681
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: the joker. You need to be locked up.

682
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: I mean I when Sam and I were talking about this,

683
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: I was I did make the argument that lunch is

684
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: the straightest meal, and Sam, you pushed back. If I

685
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: remember correctly.

686
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: I thought you thought breakfast was the straightest meal because

687
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: that was like getting up having a meal for your job.

688
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I just well, for me, lunch is like

689
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 2: I think, I'll point into this, but it is the

690
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: most regimented meal in some ways. It is the meal

691
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: that is most represented by fast casual dining. For instance,

692
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: like you're sure you know it is the one that

693
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: you're most likely to get a pret amange wrap for.

694
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: You're most likely to get a sweet green salad for,

695
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: You're most likely to go to a dig in. It's

696
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: all like packaged food. It's like it's a salad that

697
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: you then have to shake to get the dressing in there.

698
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: It's a sandwich that you have to unwrap and then

699
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, a tomato falls out and onto your white pants.

700
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: There is less joy to with you are always on

701
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: the go. And also the other thing is it signifies

702
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: the end of the optimism of the morning and the

703
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: beginning of the sort of like slow march to death.

704
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: That is an afternoon in an office where you just

705
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: you're literally like it is two thirty pm, three pm,

706
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: and you're like, I might die here.

707
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're starting to get sleepy. Things are

708
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: like bad things are happening. Yeah, I mean, and you're

709
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 3: thinking about a snack.

710
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, But I lunch. I'm sorry to be

711
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: so passionate, but passion is beautiful. A lunch is like

712
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: so the food could be anything. I feel like it

713
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: has the widest range of food that it could be like, yes,

714
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: there's traditional, but you could also have curry and it

715
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: would be like that's lunch, Like you could have.

716
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, sorry, I keep Now I'm passionate and

717
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: I am going to interrupt police because I feel like

718
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: we actually had this exact unver we did have conversation. No,

719
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: dinner is the most versa. I mean to me, at dinner,

720
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: you can have any nationality and the finess city any like.

721
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: It can be anything from like a vegan meal to

722
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: like a steak and a glass of cabernet.

723
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: But you're insane because you can't have you can't have

724
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: like eggs for dinner without someone being like, I'm having

725
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: a breakfast for dinner, Like the first of all they're saying,

726
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm having.

727
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: You can have it. Watch me have a tortilla espanola

728
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: sweetheart for dinner. And also, by the way, let's say

729
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: you can't have eggs, Okay, so you can have everything

730
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: basically butt eggs, Like that's sort of the only thing

731
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: basically everything but breakfast food is.

732
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: What about a keiche?

733
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: I think doesn't that count as a Yeah.

734
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's eggs. But that's like you can have a

735
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: teach for dinner, or like like you can have a

736
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: kech for dinner.

737
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: I've never heard of anyone having a dinner.

738
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: I think absolutely dinner is by far, dinner is the

739
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: meal that allows the most, that allows the most Friday,

740
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: even if you literally take out all egg dishes, if

741
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: you take out pancakes, whatever else. Most restaurants are restaurants

742
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 2: where you go to for dinner, right, But.

743
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: Isn't that Isn't that What makes it straighter is it's

744
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: like so much more defined, Like a lunch is sort

745
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: of like this free for all where it's like figure

746
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: it out, like I don't know what to do. Like

747
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: a restaurant, it's it's more like there's a tradition, there's

748
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: a like a path you follow generally.

749
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: Huh, I think there's more of a path.

750
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: This is the most this is the most confused I've

751
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: ever been. No, you know, you know it's funny.

752
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: It's funny.

753
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: I actually am like as ardent as ever that I'm right,

754
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: But I'm like, if I keep fighting back, it'll just

755
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: be I'll just be like yelling.

756
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: No.

757
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: I literally want to be the end of publishing and

758
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: this podcast literally this is literally about to be Like No, Sam,

759
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: lunch is momented. We just don't go into an office

760
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 2: so we don't experience it. But it's literally like, I mean,

761
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: I remember when I used to go to an office.

762
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: I would just decide every day, like am I going

763
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: to go to Sweet Green dig In or the little

764
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: campus cafe because I work by a college campus where

765
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: I could get like the Daily suit. But those are

766
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: my literal three options every single day with no other.

767
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: But George, this isn't just for people in offices. This

768
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: is for all people.

769
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: You're being inclusive. Okay, but I guess, okay, okay.

770
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: Well maybe George, but there's something so straight about that pessimism,

771
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: right about that, like this is the only thing that

772
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: I have to live for is whatever comes next? Right,

773
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: that's sort of like hopeful, like I have nothing in

774
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: my life except a meal, which seems like very like

775
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: dad coming home from work, Like what am I? That's

776
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: very like nineteen fifties like revolutionary road, right.

777
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: Like yeah, totally coming back cheating on your wife. Okay,

778
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: maybe I'm like maybe the solution here is sort of

779
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: splitting the difference and being like, if you have a job,

780
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: lunch is the straightest meal. But if you don't have

781
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: a job, you are so liberated that actually lunch is

782
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: that actually lunch can be so many things. But then

783
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: dinner you're like, well, now I finally have to get

784
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: it together because it's my first time leaving the house.

785
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it's almost

786
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: like dinner is the lunch of people who are not

787
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: traditionally employed, because that is when they have to like

788
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: plan around other people's schedules.

789
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: That is so true. That is it? That makes sense

790
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: to me?

791
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: Okay, wow, yeah, we've agreed on it.

792
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: I think we've agreed. That was Actually we have not

793
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: argued like this ever on this podcast. I would.

794
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: I don't know why I felt. I don't know why

795
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: I felt.

796
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: That, but I did too. It's totally it was mutual.

797
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: That was very Yeah, you should like do treaties.

798
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what.

799
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: Else though, I actually think Sam, you do have more

800
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: of a sense of joy when it comes to lunch,

801
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: whereas I really am, like even now that I'm not

802
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: I don't have a you know, an office job, but

803
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm literally like, for me, lunch is sandwich or salad.

804
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: I cannot tell I cannot remember the last time I

805
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: didn't have either sandwich or salad for lunch.

806
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: So would it be weird if I like called myself

807
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: out as the Stradio Lab historian. Please tell us, because Sam,

808
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: you have said in the past that lunch is the

809
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: most difficult me. I think I believe in Alison Roman

810
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: episode You're you talked a lot about how much you

811
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: hated thinking about life.

812
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing this up.

813
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: How difficult it is.

814
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm sensing internalized homophobia. Oh, lunch is gay and I

815
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: hate it. No, no, no, The thing is that's why

816
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: I hate it. There's too many options. You can do anything.

817
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: There's no right way. And yeah, Sam is like LGBTQ.

818
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: I A A I A A honey, I can't keep up.

819
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: That's Sam about lunch.

820
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish every I wish the military would

821
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: distribute a bar of protein for me to eat every

822
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: day at twelve thirty PM at lunch. Lunch essentially right,

823
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: I spiral so hard at lunch I have I have

824
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: lost all momentum with my day at twelve thirty because

825
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well, I can either you know, make

826
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: something that will taste horrible or I can spend roughly

827
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: thirty dollars on something that will taste mediocre. And I

828
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: I actually one, I want a dining hall again. Two

829
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: I want military issued protein. Three like a fast casual.

830
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I had a sweet cream next

831
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: to me. So that I could not have to think

832
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: about lunch every day, and you know, but butch up

833
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: my lunch experience.

834
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: This is so fascinating because we really, we really are

835
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: coming at this from the opposite perspectives. It's like, I'm

836
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: coming at it as from the perspective of like a

837
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: recovering office worker who now doesn't have to go into

838
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: an office and is sort of figuring it out, and

839
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: you're coming at it from someone who has always been

840
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: on the outside looking in saying I wish there was

841
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: a sweet cream.

842
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: I'll what do you do for lunch?

843
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: I normally, okay, what I liked. I normally eat an

844
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: egg for lunch.

845
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: Wow, wait, a single egg.

846
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 3: I will make a single egg in I love doing

847
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 3: like where you cook an egg inside of it. Yeah,

848
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 3: so that's it's so fun, right, It's like, do you

849
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: have a name for.

850
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: The Oh, somebody told me once one that was like

851
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: frog in the hole or something like that.

852
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 2: Or that sounds right.

853
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. I had to yeeah, yeah. Yeah. So I've heard

854
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 3: other names, but they're not as good as that one.

855
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: But I'll do that and I'll put like a bunch

856
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: of saracha or like chili crisp on it and then

857
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: I just sort of like pick it up and eat

858
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: it and maybe like a kale salad, but I'll make yum.

859
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: Okay, you are being you are being so like health conscious,

860
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: I know, sort of cobble Hill based influencer.

861
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: Hearing that, I was like, oh, you're you live in Paris,

862
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: like amazing, and it was like, I don't know how

863
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: I stay so thin.

864
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: Like well, okay, that is the other actually, that is

865
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: the other ideal of a of a lunch, and I'm

866
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: so glad you brought it up, Sam, which is basically

867
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: like the effortless European lunch.

868
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

869
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: Like, when i'm sometimes I will just literally make like

870
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: and I actually never do this when I'm here. I

871
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: do this when I visit my parents and I'm just

872
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: like alone and I don't drive. I'll literally make like

873
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 2: two hard boiled eggs, cut up some tomatoes, some feta,

874
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: and then just like put drizzle some olive oil on

875
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: top of it and sort of like have that on

876
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: the balcony. Well, that's uns is LGBTQ plus.

877
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 3: But I find hardbold eggs so difficult. There's something about

878
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: the waiting that like destroys me.

879
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: I agree.

880
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: Actually I would say, be.

881
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: An active participant.

882
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Okay, I want to.

883
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 3: Be flipping the eggs.

884
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: Okay, So okay, I give it. Egg cooking a hardboiled

885
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: egg is like voyeurism, exhibitionism. Yeah, you're like watching the egg.

886
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: I do all the action and you're not a part

887
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: of it at all. You just like, let me know when.

888
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: You're I will cook six of them and keep them

889
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 3: for later. But I can't do like one or two.

890
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: Well, you're right. The egg is like I'm close, close,

891
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: and you're like, fuck yeah, you're.

892
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: Just let me know when you're done, babe.

893
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: I love that, whereas in the other one you're switching positions,

894
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: you're flipping it over and you're like, yeah, you like that,

895
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: don't you egg?

896
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: Wow?

897
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it can still come like depending on how

898
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: long you ca.

899
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: Okay, that is actually a very good point, because in

900
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: both cases an egg can come prematurely.

901
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: I have a solution, though for luck I have I

902
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 3: have I It occurred to me that this might actually

903
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: be called the Kinsey scale for lunch in the future.

904
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: So okay, so here's the scenario. Let's say two people,

905
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: George Sam You decide to have lunch with each other.

906
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: One day unlikely.

907
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: You get to the restaurant, George, you're really hungry, You

908
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: order a surfing term. Sam, you order a sliced cucumber

909
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: with like a side of salt water. Because you're not

910
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: that hungry. George is humiliated, right, Like you know, like Sam,

911
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: you have to eat really slowly. George is eating really

912
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: fast so that you can get out of there. You

913
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: only have half an hour, right. The problem is there's

914
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: only one name for lunch, so you have very different

915
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: ideas for very different or the same word for very

916
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: different meals. So I'm introducing lanunch oh, which is a

917
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: very small lunch oh, and then lunch, which will be

918
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: the medium size okay, and then launch with an oh

919
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: for a very big lunch okay, okay.

920
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: Lane Lunch, Lunch, lunch Launch okay.

921
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. So like George, if you went to Sam and

922
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: you're like, hey, do you want to grab Launch and

923
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: Sam's like, no, I need lunch today, you'll go your

924
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: separate ways and wait until you like align with each other.

925
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: I see. Yeah, So my sort of like Tomato feda

926
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: drizz that is firmly lanunch.

927
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

928
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: I think that's land I would say is a turkey

929
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: sandwich is lunch.

930
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

931
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: What's interesting is I would say if you put those

932
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: things onto bread from the first yeah one, it would become.

933
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: Lunch comes lunch, and then launch is like the Anna

934
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: wind Tour meal of having a steak and a caprase salad.

935
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

936
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. See once a steak is involved, you can't

937
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: it's always launch.

938
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

939
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: I never feel more like I don't know toxic diet

940
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: culture and than when I'm like, well I can't have

941
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: red meat for lunch, that's lunch.

942
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: I think this actually would solve so many issues George.

943
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: It's a funny example that you bring up because George

944
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: and I do have very very different ideas. Like George

945
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: likes to eat sort of like a like late ish breakfast,

946
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: I would say, and then like a very small little

947
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: lunch snack. And like I'm always like I like basically

948
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: skip breakfast and then get a launch uh huh. And

949
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: it causes issues between us when we're out on the road.

950
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this, Okay, I'll say this. You know

951
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: in my home I will have Again, I'm like, I

952
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: didn't realize how unimaginative I am, because in my home

953
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: I have either a yogurt or cottage trees for breakfast.

954
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: Then I have a sandwich or salad for lunch, and

955
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: then dinner. It's literally like, finally I can be me.

956
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: I can be I'm a firework baby. Yeah, to do

957
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 2: this born this way?

958
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 3: Well, are you saving your creative energy for other things?

959
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: I think so. I think so. Yes, I think so.

960
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: But I do think when Sam and I are out,

961
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: that is when I get too creative. And so often

962
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: we'll have the and with dinner too. So often Sam

963
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: will have a normal dinner at a normal dinner time.

964
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: Let's say we have a show at eight, He's like, Okay,

965
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a Chipotle bull at six thirty

966
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: so I can eat and then be ready for the show.

967
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: And I will just be like, does not compute Like

968
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: show and dinner I can't do. And then suddenly it'll

969
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: be eleven PM and I haven't eaten, and I'm drunk

970
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: because I'm drinking on an empty stomach, and I have

971
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: to make everyone go to a bar that also has

972
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: bar food.

973
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do find that confusing. It's that thing too

974
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: when because you are self aware about it. And then

975
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, but if you're self aware, then should

976
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: we changed?

977
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: But then you see it happening and you're like, here

978
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: he goes again. It's like when we were trying to

979
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: get dinner before that DC show and I was like, oh,

980
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm okay, and you're like, Jesus, OK fine, I guess

981
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: I'll go.

982
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: But you also do the topic thing of you're like,

983
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: we'll walk with you. There's like you can or something.

984
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: I walked with you and then didn't get something, and

985
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: then on our way back I was like, maybe I'll

986
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: find something else on the way back.

987
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: Sam, How does it feel to work with someone who

988
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: won't help themselves.

989
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough for me because I just want

990
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: to help, but I he doesn't let me. Yeah, and

991
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: so I just have tough We have to watch as

992
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: he You.

993
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: Know what, though, with the launch of the lunch look

994
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: what I'm about, dude, With the launch of the lunch spectrum,

995
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: I think all of this is going to change because

996
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: there's going to be some clear communication and there is

997
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: going to be some healing.

998
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: And finally, I also do want to say, now that

999
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: I know that you have an egg for breakfast or

1000
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: for lunch often, I do see why you see the

1001
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: confusion between breakfast and lunch. Yeah, now I see, Now,

1002
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: I see.

1003
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: I do often skip breakfast for breakfast. I'll normally eat

1004
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: like a cookie, like a single possibly too.

1005
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, I mean the pastry for breakfast thing is interesting,

1006
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: like how it is completely normal to have essentially a

1007
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: slice of cake for breakfast, like a slice of truly

1008
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: the equivalent of birthday cake for breakfast, just because it

1009
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: has like some banana and nuts in it.

1010
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been struggling because there are sometimes when I'm like,

1011
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: I want a donut, but it's never the right time,

1012
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: Like it's never like one any good donut places out

1013
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: of good donuts by noon, and like I don't want

1014
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: it in the morning, essentially, like the only time I

1015
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: want a donut is like for dessert after like a

1016
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: decadent meal, but that never is an option, and so

1017
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm left wanting my whole life for a donut but

1018
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: never at the right time.

1019
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: Huh.

1020
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: There should be an afternoon donut shop that opens at

1021
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: like one pm and is only open until like five.

1022
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: You know, I would take that one step further. I

1023
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: would take that one step further and say there should

1024
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: be afternoon bakeries of all kinds, because the idea that

1025
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: you want other than bread, which I unders stand, as

1026
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: you know you want in the morning. The idea that

1027
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: you would want to baked good fresh in the morning

1028
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: makes no sense. And by the way, you down exactly.

1029
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: And also you know it's it's such a stereotype in

1030
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: the in that industry, like, oh, everyone has to wake

1031
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: up at three am to start baking. Well, guess what, honey,

1032
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: sleep in you were not in a rush, be ready

1033
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 2: by four pm and we can talk.

1034
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's genius.

1035
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: We've solved a lot of societies, probably completely agree over

1036
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 3: the last hour.

1037
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. So we're getting rid of books.

1038
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: We are except for yours, We except mine?

1039
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, when the lunches of the spectrum and pastries available

1040
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: in the afternoon and even.

1041
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: Even afternoon, yeah yeah, wow?

1042
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: Any other I happened to ice cream? I don't know, ice.

1043
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: Creams on the chopping block? Tell you what I do

1044
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: want to say?

1045
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have sort of one final point on eggs

1046
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: which I just thought of. To me, if you have

1047
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: one egg or three eggs, that is LGBTQ plus two

1048
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: eggs is the straightest number of eggs you can have.

1049
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: I think absolutely, Yeah, because it's like it's just like

1050
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: a classic couple. Yeah, right, Like those two eggs are

1051
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 3: obviously straight marriage exactly when you see them like Bothie.

1052
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: It's so like all American diner. It's so I don't

1053
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: you either have three and it's a meal, or have

1054
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: one and you're in.

1055
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: Paris exactly because I also think the two eggs are

1056
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: there and they're always next to the potatoes, which are children,

1057
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: and the like toast, which is the.

1058
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: House, yeah yeah, or the plate is the house and toast.

1059
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: Guess what bacon? Bacon is the smoke, the toxic smoke

1060
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 2: that's polluting the town.

1061
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's just rising up right exactly. It's it's

1062
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: out of the chimney, right, It's it's all the books

1063
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: that family is burning.

1064
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: Exactly in the darkness.

1065
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: They don't want you to just yeah wow sheesh.

1066
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: And so yeah, no, but I do think, I mean

1067
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: there is really and I say this as someone who

1068
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: loves loves a diner, loves a diner breakfast, but the

1069
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 2: image of a classic American breakfast is so conservative and republican.

1070
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's conservative republican coded in like the Mona

1071
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: del Rey way. Now it's almost like chic.

1072
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: Right right, Okay, so what is more conservative though, sausage

1073
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: or bacon sausage?

1074
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: I think sausage that feels more military for some reason.

1075
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: Yes, but what if it's not a link, it's like

1076
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: a medallion. Oh, I think a link is definitely the

1077
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: most conservative.

1078
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think the most LGBTQ plus sausage

1079
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: is like on a pizza, like the little bits, because

1080
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: they're all they're diverse, they're all different, like when they're crumbled,

1081
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: when they're crumbled. Yeah yeah, Or if it's like I mean,

1082
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: if you're getting a post them, it's literally like sausage

1083
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: and broccoli, rob, I mean that is I mean, that's

1084
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: essentially that's the queerest. That's Sam Smith winning an oscar.

1085
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: Okay, really quickly, about where does I am curious about?

1086
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: I think late lunch I want to say, is queer.

1087
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: I firmly agree, and that's why I always have a

1088
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: late lunch and Sam hates that about me.

1089
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: George, our schedules, our schedules are always different, I will say, no,

1090
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: they are, It's true, although yeah they are.

1091
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I do think Sam is more

1092
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: right than I am in his schedule and I will

1093
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: say that openly, but I also think, don't you think

1094
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: Sam that? Okay, I feel like the undercurrent is always

1095
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: like you being like YC being so insane, and me

1096
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: being like YC being so strict.

1097
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you you are always in a constant state

1098
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: of breaking the rules, and in a way that is

1099
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: like I see, I see the instinct. I have been there, ye,

1100
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: but at some point you're just making life harder for yourself.

1101
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: Okay. In my defense, and is the last thing I'll

1102
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: say about this, because I'm really glad to bring it up.

1103
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: Here's what I think. Here's where I think all this

1104
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 2: comes from. Okay, I grew up, you know, in g

1105
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: I grew up in a Greek family, and in Greece,

1106
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: lunch is at I would say, even like three, and

1107
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: dinner is at like nine. Okay. I obviously can't just

1108
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: like live in America and have that schedule. It would

1109
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: be crazy because then no one would want to like

1110
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: eat with me. So I'm basically constantly torn between assimilation

1111
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: and liberation and rather and so I never even make

1112
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: a decision. It would actually be healthier if I was

1113
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: just like, this is my schedule. I'm gonna stick to it,

1114
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be the weird person that has

1115
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: lunch at three and dinner at nine. I'm not doing that.

1116
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: But I'm also not committing to the American way. So

1117
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm just constantly frustrated and constantly hungry.

1118
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 3: You have meal Payah, I have meal paralysis.

1119
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

1120
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: Does that sort of help explain?

1121
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: You don't have to explin yourself to me, Like, I'm

1122
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 3: surprised you didn't already understand that, Sam.

1123
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 2: I know, well, you know, I'll sometimes you need an actual,

1124
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 2: real life novelist to help you understand your own psyche.

1125
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: And that's why fiction is so important, because sometimes it's

1126
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: more true than nonfiction.

1127
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1128
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: Well, the fiction is the most important thing in the world.

1129
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: Our fact checkers are actually beeping in it. They're saying

1130
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: it's it's not the most important thing.

1131
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: No, it's more important.

1132
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1133
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: I really want to. I want you to write a

1134
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: sort of speculative fiction novel about the new lunch paradigm

1135
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 2: and how and maybe it's like a society where people

1136
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: are divided and ranked according to which type of lunch

1137
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: they have.

1138
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Divergent series, but for lunch exactly.

1139
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the lunch for lunch.

1140
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there's even a slur that's like someone

1141
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: calling someone else like a toad in a hole because

1142
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: they're like a they're a lanch person and there for

1143
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: a week.

1144
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: I want to say one more thing about lanch and

1145
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: maybe this is maybe I need to work on trusting others.

1146
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 1: But when someone is eating, when someone is eating a lanunch,

1147
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: there's always something in the back of my head that

1148
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,959
Speaker 1: it's like, you're going to be hungry in an hour,

1149
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: like and I'm like, you're gonna be hungry in one

1150
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: single hour, and I'm going to be paying the price

1151
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,959
Speaker 1: because because.

1152
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: Once again I know you're talking about me, you.

1153
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: Can say, like that person, you're toddler.

1154
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Like this is this happens all the time, people like

1155
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: this isn't just you, George. This happens like people are like, oh,

1156
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: I want like a cute dinner, and it's like, okay,

1157
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: like I see how that was cute. But also you

1158
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: must understand we are about to be starving, and I

1159
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 1: maybe to food as fuel oriented. And don't get wrong,

1160
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: I wish I could be set free from that. Like

1161
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: I said, all I want is my government issued meat.

1162
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: Well protein doesn't have to be meat.

1163
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 3: Well wait, yeah, so wait, I want to ask, like, one,

1164
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: have you ever been in a situation where someone has

1165
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: a small lunch and you know it's because they actually

1166
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: have a better meal coming later, and you feel like

1167
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 3: you're the person and it's like they're like, oh, I

1168
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: just fit you in. I'm only going to be having

1169
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: like a muffin at this lunch because like they don't

1170
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 3: respect you enough to like have a true meal with you,

1171
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 3: Like you went there thinking that you were on the

1172
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: same playing Fieldle.

1173
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: This has never ever happened to me. I'm gonna stop

1174
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: you right there. Don't you wield your little words with me,

1175
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: Wizard Like.

1176
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I wait, you know we are already out of time,

1177
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: but I now I'm like, I also, okay, we recently

1178
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: had a moment, Sam where I feel like you were

1179
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: faced with your own like rigidity. And it is the following.

1180
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: It is when we were going to go to the

1181
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: movies and we and we did in fact, and basically

1182
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: someone in our group had a rezin notification, which is

1183
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: sort of like if something opens up, then you get

1184
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 2: the reservation. And the meal would have in fact been

1185
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: like at a really nice restaurant and heavily discounted I

1186
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: won't say more. And basically the reservation opened up at

1187
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: nine pm, and I was like, oh my god, like

1188
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: we should go. It'll be right after the movie. And

1189
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 2: the way the way you seemed so uncomfortable when we

1190
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: got drinks before the movie, because I knew that you

1191
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: were like, this is not right, this is not this

1192
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 2: should be dinner time.

1193
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: It's not okay. I think yes, I was. The rigidity

1194
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: was there, but in my defense, I felt like that

1195
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: was more one. It was a Monday, and I was

1196
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: very tired, and I was sort of like like I

1197
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: was even questioning like how social I could be, and

1198
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: so I was like, okay, this turned into a bigger thing,

1199
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: and I was like I think I'm gonna be sort

1200
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: of unfun come nine thirty pm. Because it wasn't necessarily

1201
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: the food thing. It was more like the the change

1202
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: of plans where I was like, yeah, I had mentally

1203
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: prepped h and then I was like, okay, okay, will

1204
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: I be able to stay up in active till ten pm? Yeah? No.

1205
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: See. My thing is like if anyone, if someone texts

1206
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: me at any point and is like, hey, I have

1207
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: you know, I have a special coupon where you can

1208
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: go on a boat at midnight and have a pizza.

1209
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, that sounds really unique and there like I

1210
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: I so, and this is this is sort of like

1211
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: the only the positive side of my of my more

1212
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: chaotic let's say, timing when it comes to food is like,

1213
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm basically always down for anything and I don't care

1214
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: what time a meal is.

1215
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1216
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then that also means that, you know, I

1217
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: sort of always have a tummy ache. Oh well, anyway,

1218
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: I think we have unlocked a lot today thisle Do

1219
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: you have any final statements or pronouncements about.

1220
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: Lunch lunch is dead?

1221
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 4: Wow?

1222
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: After all of that, after you've invented three types of lunch, lunch, lunch,

1223
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: and launch.

1224
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 3: I'm taking it down. I invented it. No, I I

1225
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 3: just want to say that these two new words need

1226
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 3: to get into the lexicon immediately. Are right. It's the

1227
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 3: only thing that's going to solve climate change. It's the

1228
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 3: only thing that's going to bring us together. Right, because

1229
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: this is why we can't even speak to each other,

1230
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 3: because the divide is so big. The divide is there

1231
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: and we don't even know it's there because people are

1232
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: using the wrong words.

1233
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely and I think what you're doing is

1234
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: basically like a queering of I mean it's like we

1235
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: have one word for something and there should be three.

1236
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, like like sex used to be the

1237
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 3: word for, you know, heterosexual side, right, yeah, exactly right,

1238
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 3: and so now we have more. So this is this

1239
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 3: is going to do for lunch. What it's going to

1240
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: do for lunch.

1241
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: What the lgbt Q acronym did for gender and sexuality.

1242
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, the acronym will be LLL.

1243
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: That's right. It's not the most confusing.

1244
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: People will figure it out. People are smart.

1245
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 3: People might put them in the wrong order sometimes.

1246
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this episode has been so

1247
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: heated and I think interesting in a way that feels

1248
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: brand new.

1249
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 3: This is your pivot to cross Fire style.

1250
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: I love the fact that Sam and I are different,

1251
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: Like it adds excitement, Like I love accompanying him while

1252
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: he's getting a Chipotle bowl, being like I'm probably not

1253
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: doing the right thing here, but like he's also allowing

1254
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: me to just like sort of go with my gun.

1255
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, just to quash any fears. Yes, I do

1256
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: want to say before since this has been such a

1257
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: contentious episode, George and I do travel very well together.

1258
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: We really do.

1259
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, and we give each other space, but we're

1260
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: also always like, but I'm down to hang if you want.

1261
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: Totally. I also think the fact that we're having this

1262
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: conversation now and it's like we are both essentially on

1263
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: the same page about the entire vibe. Yeah, and we're

1264
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: just like okay with it. Yeah, I think is like

1265
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: a great sign.

1266
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1267
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: At no point am I like frustrated that there's a difference.

1268
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 1: No, No, it plays into our types in a funny way.

1269
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: Totally.

1270
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: Well, Ell, should we do a final segment?

1271
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: I think it's time, and you know what, I have one?

1272
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: Actually, oh, do you want to describe than do yours?

1273
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: Sure? Our final segment is called Shoutouts, and in this

1274
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: segment we pay homage to a classic straight tradition and

1275
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 2: oral tradition, if you will, which is the radio shout out.

1276
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: You're at TRL, you're at Z one hundred, and you

1277
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: are shouting out to your squad back home. And I

1278
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: can go first, what's up all my several summer travelistas.

1279
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to train travel.

1280
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 2: I have to say, in the first leg of this tour,

1281
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: we took some planes and we took some trains. And

1282
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: when I tell you that, when I'm on a plane,

1283
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: I literally feel like I am in the lowest tier

1284
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: in the Hunger Games. I feel like I'm being shipped

1285
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: somewhere in order to be murdered in front of the

1286
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: in the public square. Whereas when I'm taking the train,

1287
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: i am upper class. Even though I have a coach ticket,

1288
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in the first class cabin. It

1289
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: is perfectly air conditioned. I can go. I can go

1290
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: to a train station literally using public transportation instead of

1291
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: paying one hundred and fifty million dollars for a lift.

1292
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: I'm at the train station suddenly, I'm literally in like

1293
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: an old church slash. It is the most beautiful building

1294
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. Every single train station is the most

1295
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: beautiful architectural building I've ever seen. And there should be

1296
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: tours there led by a PhD. In our history. I'm

1297
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: The food options are better than airports. The air is

1298
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: fresh and not recycled.

1299
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: It is cheaper.

1300
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: I can actually take out my laptop and do work.

1301
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: I am even sitting next to someone. I don't feel

1302
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: like squished, I don't feel like, oh no, my knees

1303
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: our knees are touching. I feel confident. We are family

1304
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: and we are having a conversation about the news and

1305
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: agreeing and I and and you know, I was telling

1306
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: to someone and they were like, oh, yeah, that's because

1307
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: you were on the Northeast Regional, which is the only

1308
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: train that works well in America. Well, here's my challenge

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01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: to Pete Buddhajet's the Secretary of Transportation. How about we

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Speaker 2: scale that, mama, and make more trains all around this

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Speaker 2: great country so I can go wherever the hell I

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Speaker 2: please on a train in a good mood and on

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Speaker 2: my way to a huge stop on my tour as

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Speaker 2: a podcaster, I have.

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Speaker 1: To fully agree with that trains when they work, there's

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01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: nothing like it.

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01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: Am I right about the train stations, I'm like every

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01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: train station I was in because I was in three.

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01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: I was in Philly, d C. And New York at Moynihan.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is like, it's like that meme that's

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01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: like society if you know X, Y Z, and it

1322
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: shows you like a futuristic society.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're one hundred summer.

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Speaker 3: I think they're working because people aren't taking the train totally,

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Speaker 3: Like that's that's why they're still beautiful. So if if

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Speaker 3: more people yeah, so.

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01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so, then I guess I take it back. No

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: one takes the trains.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have one, or do you?

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01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: I think I have to legal lego next, but I

1331
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: don't know what to do yet. But I'm okay, okay, okay,

1332
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,959
Speaker 1: what's up everyone. I want to give a huge shout

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01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: out to dancing, and specifically the move where you put

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01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: your hands through your hair and shake your head around.

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01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: I have been finding this move to be so deeply

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01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: fun and freeing. And when I put my hands in

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01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: my hair and take my little head around, I am

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01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old girl who is in Europe,

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01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: even though she is American, and she is having so

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01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: much fun, and all the boys are looking at her,

1341
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: and she couldn't care less, and yeah, she might make

1342
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: out with him, but only playfully, just for a moment.

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01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: I am in a shiny top. I'm pure nightly, a

1344
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: mind like Beckham, and I don't need to be perfect

1345
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: because I'm me. When I am shaking my hair with

1346
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: my hands in my hair, I am rhythmless and yet

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01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: part of something larger. I am one with the earth

1348
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: and yet an individual. I love doing it. We are

1349
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: not even close to finding all the dance moves that

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01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: we can do casually and playfully, and we need to

1351
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: keep going to fun bars and experimenting with our bodies.

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01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: Have fun out there exo.

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01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: So I do want to say that one of the

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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: a very sort of charming Sam moment was when we

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: were at a gate club in Philly and he I

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01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 2: was dancing. He was like, dancing must be so hard

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01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: for you because you don't have hair that you can

1358
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: move around.

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01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: For me, dancing is ninety percent hair. But it's.

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01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: True that I can't do haierography. Oh my god. You

1361
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: know who could actually do incredible hierography our guests.

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01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, yeah, yeah, I'm terrible with my hair when dancing.

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01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: But maybe I'll try for the future now now.

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01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: You yeah, yeah, give yourself a jumpstart by having just

1365
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: like insane fagtails or something. Okay, okay, I whenever you're

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01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: ready to go for it.

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Speaker 3: What's up, sippers and straw lovers, I'm kind to give

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01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 3: a shout out to come Tari's Soda. A few weeks ago,

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01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 3: I was hanging out after reading and I looked over

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01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: and I asked someone what they were drinking, and they

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01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 3: it was very red, it was very jewel like, it

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01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 3: was very ruby like. And she said, a campari soda.

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01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 3: And I had never heard of actually ordering one of

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01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 3: those before out in the world. I didn't know that

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01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 3: you could do that. I thought you could make it

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01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 3: at home with a lacroix and some tampari, But no,

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01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 3: it happens. They cost too much money. But they look

1378
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: so delicate. They're very fun. You can hold them with

1379
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 3: the two little tips of your forefingers and you hold

1380
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 3: that straw and you sip it lightly. It's very bitter,

1381
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: it's refreshing. It's like having like an energy drink, so

1382
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: you feel hydrated. You feel like you're drinking alcohol, but

1383
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 3: it's not that much. You can keep the night going.

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 3: Sometimes you want in agroni just because you want to

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01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 3: hold something red, But no, you should go back to

1386
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 3: the kampari soda because it's essentially a negroni, but way

1387
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 3: more fun. There are bubbles. There's not a single bubble

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01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 3: in a negroni unless you get a spaggliatto. But that's done.

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Speaker 1: We're past that.

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Speaker 3: So it's time to spend the last month of summer

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Speaker 3: when it's still hot with a refreshing, red, exciting Kampari soda.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing in my head, I've been I have been

1393
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: trying to advance the Kari agenda for like three years.

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01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: It is my go to so drink. They're so good.

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01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 2: You are so right about wanting a Groni because you

1396
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: want to hold something red and Negroni is so alcoholic.

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01:06:59,200 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too much.

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also think it's like better. I think it's

1399
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: a working class apperol sprits absolutely right. Like it signals

1400
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 3: to me that, like, this person isn't rich, right, this money.

1401
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: Is so over and has been over for years.

1402
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm disgusted when I see it on a

1403
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 3: menu still, truly, if you're want to like cross it

1404
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 3: off myself, I bring a sharpie with me and cross

1405
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Speaker 3: it off on menus whenever I see it.

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01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: If you're still ordering an aperal spirts, you need to

1407
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: get a grub Street subscription and learn about your trends.

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01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

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01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: All right, well, I think this has been an amazing episode.

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01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: I've certainly learned a lot.

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01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: Fully agree, I really have learned. I love to have

1412
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: an intellectual episode where it is learning forward. Yeah, and

1413
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 2: I really honestly can't wait to hear what people think

1414
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 2: about the new l L spectrum.

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01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: Well, well, folks, get people on September twenty.

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01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 2: Sixth, twenty six and see Isle on tour and mostly

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01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 2: in New York, mostly in New York, yeah yeah, and

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01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 2: also LA and Provincetown and Providence Rude Island. And also,

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01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,879
Speaker 2: by the way, come see us on tour in Seattle,

1420
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,560
Speaker 2: of Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, folks, kisses bye bye bye,