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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

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Speaker 4: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 4: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 4: you are you. You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 4: the stuff they don't want you to know. This is,

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Speaker 4: I believe, one of the very last listener male segments

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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three. We hope you join us soon,

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Speaker 4: whether that's twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five. Human

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Speaker 4: calendars are kind of made up. We're so glad, as always,

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Speaker 4: so grateful that you are here to say, spend some

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Speaker 4: time with us. Time is the only real currency in

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Speaker 4: the world. Tonight, we're gonna hear from Hoboken Johnny with

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Speaker 4: a story that has at least fascinated me at least

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Speaker 4: for several years.

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Speaker 3: Not to be confused with Hobo Johnson.

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Speaker 4: Just for the record, Just for the record, We're also

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Speaker 4: going to hear from some anonymous callers. We're gonna hear

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Speaker 4: from Kibo, and we're gonna talk about burn bitch, We're

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Speaker 4: gonna talk about Oh gosh, I didn't even want to

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Speaker 4: spoil all this stuff. Maybe we start this way with

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Speaker 4: a question from Whatnot, why would you say no to

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Speaker 4: a free tablet?

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Speaker 3: Well, I sure wouldn't, and I didn't. In fact, when

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Speaker 3: I got a new phone account, I think through T Mobile,

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Speaker 3: and you know, they always like to rope you into contracts,

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Speaker 3: so they're like, hey, do you want the free Apple

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Speaker 3: Watch free quote unquote the one you'll be paying installments

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Speaker 3: on for you know, the duration of the contract, or

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Speaker 3: the iPad? And I went with the iPad because, frankly,

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Speaker 3: a tablet is a much more multi functional device than

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Speaker 3: an Apple Watch. Here we go. Whatnot writes in saying

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Speaker 3: you can call me Whatnot. I have recently discovered your

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Speaker 3: podcast in the last year and religiously listen to it

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Speaker 3: during my overnight stocking shift. Thank you, Whatnot. I appreciate

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Speaker 3: your guys work and insight into topics. This is my

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Speaker 3: first time emailing you, and it's because I keep seeing

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Speaker 3: ads on my Facebook for a company called Whoop Connect,

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Speaker 3: Like Whoop there it is. That's that's very funny. It

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Speaker 3: advertises a free tablet and internet connection for just an

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Speaker 3: eleven dollars copay for those who are on government programs

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Speaker 3: such as EBT, WICIC, Medicaid, and pell grant. My first

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Speaker 3: thoughts slash questions about this is why are they targeting

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Speaker 3: could be from the goodness of their heart, yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: and wanting to get more people access to these technologies

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Speaker 3: is there's something they don't want us to know about

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Speaker 3: why they're giving out free tablets to those of lower

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Speaker 3: socioeconomic status. Do they just want to track these individuals

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Speaker 3: or get internet access to those who don't have any

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Speaker 3: so everybody can continue being tracked through our devices. I

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Speaker 3: don't know. Something feels off about this to me, and

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Speaker 3: I was curious on your guys thoughts. Here's a link

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Speaker 3: to the website for whoop Connect. It's literally www dot

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Speaker 3: whoopconnect dot com. Who came up with that and why?

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Speaker 3: I did see a similar program but with phones instead

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Speaker 3: dumbest of dumb phones. You possibly could get literally a

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Speaker 3: your data or like internet browsing habits. I have thought

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Speaker 3: about emailing before in the past, since hearing the Divine

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Speaker 3: Intervention episode. Going into the show, I had a way

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Speaker 3: different idea of spiritual intervention than how you guys discussed it.

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Speaker 3: I have my own story that differs from those discussed

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Speaker 3: in your listener mail episodes. I will gladly tell you

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Speaker 3: just email me back and we certainly will thank you

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Speaker 3: for taking the time to read this. Feel free to

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Speaker 3: use whatever you'd like in this email for your creative purposes.

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Speaker 3: You can also email me back with questions or comments

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Speaker 3: as I'd appreciate it. Yeah, I made my interjection about

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm right now, I'm on the WOOP connect I'm

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Speaker 4: to this, right, you get the new tablet. When we

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Speaker 4: So I'm looking at the legal disclaimer under terms of

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Speaker 4: looking for when reading these things. You don't have to

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Speaker 4: look for things like third parties. You know, that's who

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Speaker 4: The question and I think what you're saying, whatnot? And

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Speaker 4: I love your name, by the way. The question becomes

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Speaker 4: if so in what way?

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Speaker 3: Well, I did just do a Google of woop connect

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Speaker 3: on Reddit whoop this is one big scam. Purchased a

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Speaker 3: Whoop four point zero on March fifteenth, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: picked up after an hour plus. I tried canceling my membership,

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Speaker 3: This company feels like an absolute scam am I alone.

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Speaker 3: Are there any tips or suggestions to help me get

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Speaker 3: this resolved? And if you've heard of the website trust Pilot, which,

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Speaker 4: I like you mentioned trust Pilot there and I saw

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one. There's another Clark something Clark, right, right, Clark.

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Speaker 4: What's his face? Yeah, Howard Howard, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 4: don't agree with them and everything, but they're right when

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Speaker 2: The But we've also heard the Better Business Bureau as

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Speaker 3: It's not great, man. I was roped into something very shady. Recently.

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Speaker 3: And I went to Better Business Bureau and I'm talking

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Speaker 4: That's why I'm bringing up Better Business Bureau because you

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Speaker 3: We had his own perspective about it being its own

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Speaker 2: I was just pointing out that we've had people write

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely there's. I think it's it's challenging to find

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Speaker 4: But I'm just looking at, you know, similar to how

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Speaker 4: Trust Pilot. I'm looking at complaints the complaint page from

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Speaker 4: BBB about Whoop and it's not BBB accredited. That might

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Speaker 4: seeing a lot of similar complaints here. So it does

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's less the surveillance aspect and more

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Speaker 3: Stay away from them. I also tried to get in

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Speaker 3: nothing to hide, they wouldn't block me. This to me

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Speaker 3: reminds me of those like rent to own type places

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Speaker 3: and not necessarily about surveillance at all, just about ripping

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Speaker 4: Yeah, whatnot? Please if you have missed our rent to

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Speaker 4: Own episode, please do check it out. The math is

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. We are going to the phone lines

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Speaker 2: and we're going to hear a message from Chemo who

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Speaker 2: I can't remember streetchers or listener mail where we talked

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, So we have somebody who had some personal

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I was just listening to your most recent

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Speaker 5: There was no filtered face masks or anything like that. Anyway, Again,

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Speaker 5: I love the show. You guys do great work. That's

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Speaker 2: There you go. That's from chemo. Just again like experiencing

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Speaker 4: And No, I guess the way to say it is

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Speaker 4: off kind of situation in terms of, you know, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kimo asked us to edit out some specifics about

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Speaker 4: Maybe we'll get a chance to talk with you.

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Speaker 2: We can do it. We'll do it together, and I did.

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Speaker 6: Here we go, Hey guys, longtime listener, first time called her.

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Speaker 6: Just guys, doesn't listen into your Agent Orange episode. Finally,

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Speaker 6: Did you take that? Not once did they ever ask

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, anonymous person, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: that information you brought up with subject that I knew

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Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna mention on the burn pit caller

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's jump into what this is. These PB pills

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Speaker 2: that our caller is referring to were largely given to

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Speaker 2: I guess soldiers, Marines, army personnel during the Gulf War,

439
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Speaker 2: what's known as the Gulf War. The I guess it's

440
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Speaker 2: the first official time the United States entered Iraq on

441
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Speaker 2: a unmilitary missions like this, and these PB pills are

442
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try and get this right, puriodostic mine bromide pills.

443
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Speaker 2: These are pills that were used or I guess the

444
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: usage at the time officially was as an anti nerve

445
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: agent pill, so kind of to pre treat all of

446
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Speaker 2: the soldiers in case at some point while they're on

447
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Speaker 2: the ground they would get exposed to some kind of

448
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 2: nerve agent, which was a big It was thought to

449
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: be a major threat during the Gulf War. If you

450
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Speaker 2: think back to the weapons of mass destruction claims that

451
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: were there were going like swimming around in the world.

452
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Speaker 2: When the United States entered Iraq again in two thousand

453
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Speaker 2: and three, a lot of it had to do with

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Speaker 2: weapons that were encountered back you know, when Iraq was

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Speaker 2: at war with Kuwait and when the United States then intervened.

456
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Speaker 2: Back then, nerve agents were a very big thing also

457
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Speaker 2: used by Western powers. Nerve agents, chemical warfare fun times.

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Speaker 3: Don't we say that we don't do that? Isn't that

459
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Speaker 3: like the public stance.

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Speaker 4: We don't say we don't. We say we don't in

461
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Speaker 4: specific circumstances it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, white phosphorus, it's just for cover, right. Anyway, this

463
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Speaker 2: is a very fascinating thing. There's a ton of writing

464
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Speaker 2: on the official VA website. You can go to Publichealth

465
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Speaker 2: dot VA dot gov. There is a large section about

466
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Speaker 2: these PB pills in Gulf War veterans. They say these

467
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Speaker 2: pills are quote a possible cause of chronic multisymptom illnesses.

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Speaker 2: So it's definitely something the VA is looking at, tracking

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Speaker 2: aware of. We have no idea how much actual work

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Speaker 2: is going into assisting veterans who have been dealing with

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Speaker 2: exposure to these substances.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've anonymous. I've heard some. I feel like

473
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Speaker 4: I've heard some that's mentioned this thing. But to that point,

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Speaker 4: it's not I don't think it's widely known. We certainly

475
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Speaker 4: don't know much about it. It's not widely known outside

476
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Speaker 4: of military circles. But I was right there with you, Matt,

477
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Speaker 4: looking at the VA itself, surprised to see returning guest

478
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Speaker 4: the Rand corporation talk about risk that cannot be ruled

479
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Speaker 4: out with certitude and linking it in their review of

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Speaker 4: scientific literature to other unexplained or officially undiagnosed illnesses. One

481
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Speaker 4: thing that really stood out here that they don't spend

482
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Speaker 4: much time on in the VA the VA examination and

483
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Speaker 4: their written statements is this one line further research is

484
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Speaker 4: needed on PP and other agents as well as on

485
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Speaker 4: genetic factors and long term health effects. That's some terrifying

486
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Speaker 4: stuff to read if it's not explained genetic factors, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the weirdest things about this drug, you guys,

488
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Speaker 2: it's been prescribed for decades to treat something called I'm

489
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Speaker 2: going to try and get this correct as well, be

490
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: as athenia gravis MA as athena gravis. I'm not sure

491
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: if that's correct. It's a neuro muscular disease of very

492
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: rather rare disease. So this was a drug that was

493
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Speaker 2: used it had a usage purpose, right, and then it

494
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: was used in during the Gulf War for this other

495
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Speaker 2: purpose that I guess just maybe there wasn't enough study

496
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Speaker 2: that went into it. It seems really weird. I asked

497
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Speaker 2: Chemo about this a veteran of the Afghanistan I guess

498
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Speaker 2: the war in Afghanistan, and he was unaware of anything

499
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: called peb pills or something similar to that. But he

500
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: did tell us quite a bit about, you know, the

501
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: stuff we've heard from other vets, the major rounds of

502
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: vaccinations that you have to get, you know, particularly anti

503
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: malaria stuff, smallpox, anthrax, all kinds of things that again,

504
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Speaker 2: potentially these these soldiers could be exposed to. But there

505
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: were other things, at least in Chemo's case that he

506
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: was that were administered to him that he just wasn't

507
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: even sure what it was, but he just kind of

508
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: had to take it. When you go in right, yea.

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Speaker 4: It's unfortunately, it's a normalized procedure. I also aw Matt

510
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Speaker 4: in some of the literature on this. I'm looking at

511
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Speaker 4: the National Library of Medicine on the Gulf War and

512
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Speaker 4: Health publication. I'm noticing that there was probably fog of

513
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Speaker 4: war and rush to deployment of this substance. Specifically, how

514
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Speaker 4: the FDA allowed The Food Drug Administration in the US

515
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Speaker 4: allowed the Department of Defense, or DODU, a waiver from

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Speaker 4: the usual requirement to obtain informed consent from service members

517
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Speaker 4: before they were taking this substance, and they said, look,

518
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Speaker 4: we're in a hurry four point thirty on a Friday,

519
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 4: energy you know, well, what was it? Henry Kissinger said, like,

520
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: just make it happen. We'll worry about the constitutionality later.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was going to ask, is there anything that

522
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Speaker 3: protects the government from not getting consent from service people? Yeah?

523
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Speaker 4: Those waivers, Okay, the FDA is saying, hey, you don't

524
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Speaker 4: due to due to extenuating circumstances or the ticking clock argument.

525
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: We have to choose the greater good and we will

526
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Speaker 4: sort it out as soon as we can afterwards, after

527
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 4: the crisis has completed. And you know, the thing is,

528
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: increasingly we're learning the crises never really end. They simply

529
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Speaker 4: transform and sometimes they drop out of the news. Matt

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Speaker 4: I saw the DoD reported they had an estimated five

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Speaker 4: point three north of five point three million doses that

532
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Speaker 4: went out to service members, and around maybe more than

533
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Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty thousand people took some measure of this.

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Speaker 4: To your point, Anon Anonymous, some people were taking it

535
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Speaker 4: a lot, said religiously. Some people were just taking it occasionally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when you think about a dose that's

537
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: one pill, right, and then they were handed out in

538
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: these twenty one pill blister packages, so that's a lot

539
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: of pills they got distributed. And the reason, at least

540
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: according to our caller, they're one of the major reasons

541
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Speaker 2: that people would take these is because you are told, hey,

542
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: there are nerve agents like saren gas that you might

543
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Speaker 2: encounter if you take this. It was described as an antidote,

544
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Speaker 2: but not really. You know, you're gonna have less chance

545
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Speaker 2: of being affected as fully by that nerve agent if

546
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Speaker 2: you take this.

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Speaker 3: It's like an inoculation almost in kind of, but not really.

548
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: You're right, now, that's different, yeah.

549
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: Because theoretically the substances molecules within that drug will bind

550
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: to some of the molecules within that seren gas and

551
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Speaker 2: they won't bind to your body in the same way.

552
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: Right theoretically, but according to that same National Library of

553
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Speaker 2: Medicine article that you pointed to, Ben, it's like not

554
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Speaker 2: known if that actually would have happened, like when when

555
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: exposure to seren gas would have occurred. It's like, theoretically

556
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: that could have been beneficial and helped.

557
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: The science checks out right in theory.

558
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: But they also list a bunch of side effects of this,

559
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: especially if you take too much of this stuff. It

560
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: does not mention long term effects of being dosed with

561
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: this material.

562
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, like fifty percent of the people who took this

563
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: had some sort of reported self reported side effect, primarily

564
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: gastrointestinal in nature. I saw for anybody wondering that the

565
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: dosage I believe is thirty milligrams per dablet yep, so

566
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: it's not an insane amount. But we also have to

567
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: wonder how quickly the body processes it, because I think

568
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: it's one tablet every eight hours is the recommended dosage

569
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: they were giving people, So you have to wonder whether

570
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: that is cumulative in effect. To your point, Anonymous, it

571
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: does seem like they're we're stronger side effects and damaging

572
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 4: effects for people who continue taking the dose. So whatever

573
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: was happening was not evacuating the body fully without leaving

574
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: something behind or some kind of effect. Very dangerous stuff.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely read up more on this. If you're interested, please

576
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: let us know if you took PB pills, if you

577
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: got any information about it. If you want to share

578
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: a story, do call us or write to us. Our

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00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: number is one eight three three stdwytk our email is

580
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. We'll be right back with

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Speaker 2: more messages from you.

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Speaker 4: We have returned. We've got a message here from Hoboken Johnny,

583
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: and just want to say at the top, this can

584
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Speaker 4: be a controversial thing. It's something I and several of

585
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: us have read on for a number of years, and

586
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: it's a somewhat tricky thing to discuss. Just to be candid,

587
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: so Hoboken Johnny says, season's greetings. My name is Hoboken Johnny.

588
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: I have been a religious, un slightly intended listener for

589
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: the better part of a decade. First time writing in

590
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: I always enjoyed the episodes mentioning New Jersey and our

591
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 4: beloved leather winged Cryptid. But there are some much darker

592
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: forces I play here in the Garden State, sadly ones

593
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Speaker 4: that are affecting hundreds of lives and possibly generations. Hoboken

594
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: Johnny says, this will be a long one, so buckle up, buckeroos.

595
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: I love it when people say buckeroo in letters at least,

596
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: so we're gonna paraphrase some of this because it is

597
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: quite a thorough piece of correspondence, and you're an awesome writer.

598
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: By the way Hoboken, which makes sense. So we do

599
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Speaker 4: have to cut a couple things to help preserve Hoboken's identity.

600
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Speaker 4: Just so you know, Hoboken says, I wanted to bring

601
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Speaker 4: the tout of Lake New Jersey to your attention, as

602
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 4: I feel it doesn't receive the attention and frankly the

603
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 4: scrutiny it needs on a state and national level. I've

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Speaker 4: been a blank in the insert local government area for

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Speaker 4: a number of years. I've been tossing around the idea

606
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: of writing in on this subject. It needs to be

607
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: discussed in a more public forum than we've been able

608
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: to get locally in Lakewood. Lakewood is, for the most part,

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Speaker 4: a fairly impoverished community with a majority population comprised of

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Speaker 4: Hispanic and African American students, many of whom are first

611
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Speaker 4: generation immigrants with little to know English speaking experience. Historically,

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00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: our district has a reputation for being poor and violent

613
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 4: and dangerous and all around just a terrible place to be.

614
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 4: We've suffered the issues a lot of impoverished districts face,

615
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 4: lack of funding, lack of support, etc. And editorializing here. Unfortunately,

616
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Speaker 4: that's a really common tale often in the United states

617
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Speaker 4: this lack of funding and support. What makes Lakewood a

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00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: bit different, says Hoboken, is that these conditions are seemingly

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Speaker 4: being purposely imposed upon us. And yeah, I know, right.

620
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: And this is where Hoboken puts in a disclaimer. This

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Speaker 4: might strike some people's sideways, but you'll see why it's

622
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 4: a very important disclaimer very soon. Hoboken says, Before I

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Speaker 4: get into this, I need to state for the record

624
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Speaker 4: that I hold absolutely no anti Semitic beliefs, opinions, or

625
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Speaker 4: anything of the sort. What I have as a factual

626
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 4: grievance based on what I have seen firsthand in the community,

627
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Speaker 4: and I need to bring attention to this on behalf

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Speaker 4: of the students. It's a well known fact around Ocean County,

629
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Speaker 4: where Lakewood is based and the rest of the state

630
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Speaker 4: that the town is run and controlled almost exclusively by

631
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Speaker 4: and these are their words, the town's Hasidic Jewish population.

632
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: The school district has a non Hasidic superintendent, but it's

633
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: a very poorly kept secret that the superintendent functions under

634
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 4: direct orders of the school's district attorney, who is in

635
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 4: this community that our writer is talking about. So apparently

636
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 4: the big problem is corruption this guy, the district attorney,

637
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: Michael Inzilbook, has pocketed over five million dollars off the

638
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 4: books over the course of six years. That's like a

639
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 4: little you know, we get just cocktail math and say

640
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 4: it's a pretty significant income every year. And then Hoboken

641
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 4: points us to various articles that talk about corruption and

642
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 4: oppression in this district and says, while all of this

643
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 4: is terrible, of course, it goes much deeper than just

644
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: misallocated funds. Here's where it gets crazy. The Hasidic community,

645
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 4: says Hoboken, is essentially operating outside of the jurisdiction of

646
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: local and state authorities. This community has its own ems service. Yeah, well,

647
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: that's like saying venda, but you know what I mean,

648
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 4: emergency services and their own law enforcement bodies. A religious

649
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: police force sounds, you know, which doesn't sound like something

650
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Speaker 4: you would have in a secular country like the United States,

651
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Speaker 4: and says further, many properties are registered as religious sites,

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Speaker 4: which means they don't pay taxes in a lot of situations. Right,

653
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Speaker 4: and this goes on and on. I don't want to

654
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Speaker 4: read it entirely in full, but we see the argument

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Speaker 4: too that the public school system is being purposely cut

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Speaker 4: off at the ankles, being denied funding, having future funding gutted,

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Speaker 4: and that in place, members of the community are either

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Speaker 4: confronting a lack of education therefore opportunity, or if they're

659
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Speaker 4: in the Hasidic community, they're being sent to far better funded,

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Speaker 4: better equipped private schools. And this is this is the

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Speaker 4: lay of the land with this. Do you guys remember

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Speaker 4: hearing other stories about similar accusations. I'm thinking New Jersey,

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking New York in particular.

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Speaker 3: No, But I mean, I do understand how a lot

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Speaker 3: of these schools have a tendency to operate outside of

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Speaker 3: the you know, traditional school system, and they probably have

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Speaker 3: things in terms of like religious freedom that allow them

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Speaker 3: to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you guys tell me if I'm just thinking incorrectly here.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me a little bit of the Clearwater, Florida

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Speaker 2: scientology situation that was going on, but that was more

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Speaker 2: about property being purchased than public school zoning and you know,

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Speaker 2: funding for schools in the area.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a compe maybe.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. I guess it was a It

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00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: was a religious community that was using the local power

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Speaker 2: structures the local government to kind of get what they wanted.

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Speaker 4: You can also see aspects of this in offshoots of

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Speaker 4: the Latter Day Saints, sure right, and carefully saying offshoots

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00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 4: here the groups or communities that are not considered official

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Speaker 4: parts of the LDS overall. And obviously this stuff becomes

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Speaker 4: red meat for anti Semitic people in these crowds, you know,

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Speaker 4: and that stuff can be weaponized dangerously. So but it

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Speaker 4: got me digging too, because I wanted to find these

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Speaker 4: other cases we had read about. I'm thinking like the

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Speaker 4: article from February of this year in New York Times

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Speaker 4: by Jay Root, which talks about how another community, in

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Speaker 4: this case, another Hasidic community, has leveraged, you know, local

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Speaker 4: politics and municipal procedure to funnel public money into private schools.

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Speaker 4: And these are schools that you know, the kids who

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Speaker 4: are not in that community are not allowed to attend,

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Speaker 4: but the taxes are going to that. It sounds maybe

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Speaker 4: somewhat like a dry, boring community meeting point. If you've

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Speaker 4: ever been to a community meeting in your neighborhood, sure

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Speaker 4: you know that they're either boring or unhinged.

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Speaker 3: And in the new season of Fargo, the first well

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Speaker 3: sort of one of the inciting events is like a

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Speaker 3: community type meeting where things go absolutely off the rails

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Speaker 3: and somebody tases a cop.

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Speaker 2: I just want to point back. There's an article that's

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Speaker 2: mentioned early in this message, been something about I forget

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Speaker 2: the name of the publication Asbury Park Press, I think

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Speaker 2: where they're just it's discussing the five million dollars that

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Speaker 2: the one attorney has made.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to see if I could find that article. Right,

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00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: that particular article exists and you can click on it,

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Speaker 2: but you can't read it unless you subscribe to that press.

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Speaker 2: So I found I guess a retelling of it, let's say,

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Speaker 2: in something called the New Jersey Education Report njedreport dot com.

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Speaker 2: And in here it's specifically speaking about this one attorney

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Speaker 2: for Lakewood Public Schools that I think has made eight

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars per year as an attorney for a

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Speaker 2: public school system. Which feels a little crazy.

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Speaker 3: No, that is not a thing.

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Speaker 2: Let's just cite Laura Waters is the journalist's name who's

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Speaker 2: writing this in early October twenty twenty three, and it

718
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Speaker 2: is very interesting to see like this guy is, according

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Speaker 2: to this the author of this article. The highest paid

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Speaker 2: of government employee in New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: Which is weird because as our friends at Daily's I

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Speaker 4: guys know, and I've talked about before, typically the highest

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Speaker 4: paid public employee is going to be a sports coach.

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Speaker 2: A public public employee.

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Speaker 4: I think about like public universities and stuff like in

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Speaker 4: a state.

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Speaker 2: I could see that, but it's definitely not the governor, right,

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Speaker 2: because even the governor.

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Speaker 4: Is governors do side bigs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The governor's is quoted in this story, Governor Phil Murphy

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Speaker 2: saying I don't have insight into the particulars of it,

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Speaker 2: but the number is eye popping.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I want to go back to that New York Times

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Speaker 4: article just to show that there is a larger like

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Speaker 4: it's not just restricted to community tensions in Lakewood and

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Speaker 4: Ocean County. This article I just mentioned is talking about

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Speaker 4: the Curiositol Village Union Free School District, and it's they

741
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Speaker 4: call them villages up in the northeast. It's north of

742
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Speaker 4: New York City. It has what the journalists are calling

743
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Speaker 4: one of the most unusual public school districts in the world.

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Speaker 4: The question for people who are outside of these communities

745
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: is there's enophobia to it. Honestly some of it. But

746
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 4: they're asking things like, why are we having the choice

747
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: removed for our kids? Why are opportunities being removed for

748
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 4: our kids? Why are we having a hard time like

749
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Speaker 4: buying property. Why do we feel then there's these folks

750
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Speaker 4: in these communities, why do we feel that we are

751
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: being pushed out of our own place where we live.

752
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 4: If we're talking just in discrete moments, discrete cases, then

753
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 4: what we see is a confrontation between the role of

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00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: the state and the role of spiritual or religious beliefs. Right,

755
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 4: the US has never fully solved that question in practice.

756
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: Right the division of church and state is all well

757
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 4: and good on paper, but it's very difficult to see

758
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Speaker 4: it shake out successfully in practice.

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Speaker 3: But Catholic schools, for example, don't necessarily get the same

760
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: lack of oversight that these schools do. Am I correct,

761
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Speaker 3: I would have to look into it more to speak

762
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: on that point. But I do think it's a great question,

763
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Speaker 3: and I do also wonder there's not really one hundred

764
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: percent way to prevent corruption, right like Singapore figured out

765
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: how to become less corrupt by kind of incorporating and

766
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: owning corruption, right like now pat system, Yeah, they made.

767
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Speaker 4: It a business. But in this case, at the local level,

768
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Speaker 4: where politics are so often ignored and so often have

769
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Speaker 4: tremendous impact, I wonder if there is is there a

770
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 4: way that is fair to people to prevent someone from

771
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: coming in and, you know, stacking the school board and saying, hey,

772
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 4: we're cutting all of the funding, right, and if you

773
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 4: have a problem with it, then you'll have to vote.

774
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 4: But we know you don't have the votes. I don't know, man,

775
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 4: It's it's a pickle. And so the Ashbury Park Press,

776
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 4: that story we mentioned has been quoted in places like

777
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: forward dot com. You can find what they're called the

778
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: Lakewood Welfare fraud scheme. And this goes in so many

779
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 4: different directions it's hard to follow all of the money,

780
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: especially when you get into things like LLCs limited liability

781
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 4: companies that functioned as proxy companies to hide the movement

782
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: of money. And then you look at how people were

783
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 4: apparently enlisting their relatives to be the face of different

784
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 4: shell companies. Again, this has happened in This had happened

785
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: in Utah, right, This happened in splinter groups that claim

786
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 4: to be the correct authorities of the LDS Church. The

787
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 4: LDS Church obviously does not agree, and I just don't know.

788
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Speaker 4: I mean, one of the things we have to clearly

789
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Speaker 4: acknowledge is that in this country, again in theory, people

790
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 4: cannot be discriminated against for their own personal spiritual beliefs.

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00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: That is a not starter. You should not as a

792
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 4: state attempt to force people to do things that contradict

793
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: their spiritual beliefs if they're not hurting anyone, you know

794
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 4: what I mean. We see this again with the debates

795
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Speaker 4: raging in Europe regarding hjah, but regarding headscarves, you know,

796
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 4: like can you tell people what they can and cannot wear?

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00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: Well, as we know with any time, anytime there are

798
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: these sorts of dispensations that go along with very legitimate beliefs,

799
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Speaker 3: there will be people that will be ready to try

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Speaker 3: to take advantage of them as a loophole, just saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can you get paid seven to eight times more

802
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: than the average person in your position? And that's everybody's

803
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: fine with that, even if your school district is, you know, impoverished,

804
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: just like trying to get money to pay for its.

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00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: Programs, you shouldn't be able to.

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00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,439
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