WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Black TV Writers Roundtable Pt.1

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<v Speaker 1>Of Course.

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<v Speaker 2>Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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<v Speaker 2>was produced by the team at Pandora.

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<v Speaker 1>Yo, Yo, what up?

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<v Speaker 2>This is Fante Antigolo and I'm here with this week's

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<v Speaker 2>QLs classic.

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<v Speaker 1>This week we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to February seven, twenty nineteen with our Black TV

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<v Speaker 2>Writers Roundtable, Part one.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, we break down the state of black.

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood with claimed writers and very good friends of mine

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy Ashley Diallo Riddle with Sheer Saladin and Angela Nissel.

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<v Speaker 2>They all get real with our team Supreme on part

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<v Speaker 2>one of this two part Black TV Writers Roundtable, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So check it out. QS.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Supreme, Subpremo, roll Supremo, Suck Subremore, roll Call, Supremo,

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<v Speaker 3>upbrame a roll call Subbrame, So Supremo, roll.

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<v Speaker 4>Call, a writer Symposium, Yeah, quest love You Hurt?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, strapped in a room. Yeah with nine nerds.

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<v Speaker 3>Supremo, Shun Subremo, roll Call, Suprema, Suck something Supremo roll Call.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Fante. Yeah, I ain't no phony. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just here to help Angie.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, pay her Aliphony.

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<v Speaker 3>Supremo, rod Subreva, Supremo road call.

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<v Speaker 4>It was younger, yeah, like it was born.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I used to watch on TV. Yeah, scrambled born.

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<v Speaker 3>Suprema Son Sun Supremo roll call, Subreema Son Supremo road.

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<v Speaker 1>Call, Shear and dialla. Yeah, man, I almost forgot you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh now I remember, Yeah, I forgot you.

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<v Speaker 3>Suprema Son Suppremo roll call, Suprema Something.

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<v Speaker 1>Supremo roll call.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like em yeah, and I'm here to impress. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>all these folks in here.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, my writing prowess.

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<v Speaker 3>Suprema Son Son Supremo role called Suprema Son Supremo role came.

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<v Speaker 7>My name is Tracy. Yeah, you can call me Trey. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I worked all day, Yeah, so I can my pay.

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<v Speaker 3>Rolling Supremo role Suprema Son Son Supremo roll call.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is by Shia. Yeah, and I was late.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of black people here. Yeah, so ship

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<v Speaker 1>is great.

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<v Speaker 3>Supremo Sun Supremo role called Suprema Son Sun Supremo roll call.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name Vallo. Yeah, and here we are. Yeah, hold

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<v Speaker 1>up in such a sound in my shiny new car.

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<v Speaker 3>Roll call Suprema Sun Supremo roll call, Suprema Son Sun

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<v Speaker 3>Supremo roll call my name is and yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm happy to be here. Yeah if I say some

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<v Speaker 9>dumb ship, yeah, blame by ship, roll.

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<v Speaker 10>Up Bremau, su Supremo, roll s Subpremo, roll call Suprema.

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<v Speaker 10>So some Supremo, roll call Suprema.

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<v Speaker 1>Some sure roll.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen. This is a special Black Hollywood Symposium.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Love Supreme. Shout out to Barney Miller. The

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<v Speaker 2>Last Common Standing, The One of the Sight's Hilarious, The

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<v Speaker 2>Neighborhood with Sutric the Entertainer, The Last Og, It's Tracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley, Hey, wait til News.

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<v Speaker 2>Late Night with Jimmy Fallon, Please come Back, Maya, Marty Side,

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<v Speaker 2>Marlon Rise, The Last O, g It's Theyallo Riddle, whoa

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<v Speaker 2>Shot from Glow Superstore, Gringo, Girby Enthusiasm, Snatch, The Tonight Show,

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<v Speaker 2>and Late Night with Jimmy Fallon, The Mindy Project, Bones

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<v Speaker 2>Gray's Anatomy of Russ's development, so much more, and Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the Last Og.

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<v Speaker 1>We have ran out the theme. I'll do it again.

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<v Speaker 7>We have.

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<v Speaker 1>Salad Salad.

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<v Speaker 11>I've known I just want to say, I've known a

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<v Speaker 11>quest love for like twenty years and he still can't

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<v Speaker 11>say my last I can't I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Say most words anyway. Words yeah, and and ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally from ok player.

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<v Speaker 8>Now y'all, from the Boom Docks, from Scrubs, from till Death,

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<v Speaker 8>from Tallics Creators, the Jellies, and the last o g

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<v Speaker 8>give it up for the one and only angela Mistle.

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<v Speaker 2>You know stress At the time when when I okay,

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<v Speaker 2>when I when I requested this show, I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna be like this, this very serious.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh hell, A special edition of Quest brings.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, like the Meredith Baxter Bernie Yeah, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 12>different Strokes, Dudley, Budley goes to the bike store with

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<v Speaker 12>the pedals and right, Gordon jump.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead.

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<v Speaker 13>I see the alcohol here, so I realized this, Well,

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<v Speaker 13>we're shout out the sunset sound.

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<v Speaker 4>We're in the famous studio three Yes with Prince and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know all this classic albums from eighty two to eighty

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the Doobie.

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers also recorded here, and so many others. Total, Oh, totals,

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<v Speaker 2>the Jacks, imagine dragons.

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<v Speaker 1>What you said total? Total? All right? You said total, right,

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<v Speaker 1>not total, You're not total. Hold on now, but where

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<v Speaker 1>did Total. What did Total records?

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<v Speaker 13>Let's do the next podcast there, Total Record.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I be like they recorded kissing you, right, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Be very happy about that? I mean not so much anyhow.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I like Total. I love Total.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're not talking about the serial read the book.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually always talking about the seriales. I'm only doing

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<v Speaker 2>that because I know that you guys.

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<v Speaker 14>Girl crushed on my first I'm sorry, what should talk about?

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<v Speaker 5>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>S w V's first name was t l C. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>I do a lot of random facts. Nine nerds in

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<v Speaker 2>a room, arm nerds, nine nerds in a room. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So why did we all.

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<v Speaker 4>Gather here today?

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<v Speaker 9>Free wine?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Who's paying for this one?

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<v Speaker 6>Actually?

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<v Speaker 5>Shout out to y'all. I mean, he got it from

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<v Speaker 5>somewhere for free, but we appreciate that he gave it

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<v Speaker 5>to us. He could have gave it to anybody, but.

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<v Speaker 6>He gave it to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to the flood. Game in a box and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all the box of wine. The box of wine.

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<v Speaker 2>So damn, I'm about to bring the mood down. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about the state of black Hollywood and writers

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<v Speaker 2>need more wine.

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<v Speaker 6>Hold up, hello, Tracy, that bottle of wine.

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<v Speaker 14>Give me to just get the bottle of Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 9>Take the whole wine and take black Woman ran a

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<v Speaker 9>Network half time.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, well, since the four of you, since the four

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<v Speaker 4>of you have the last o g in common.

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<v Speaker 1>Good show.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, y'all, that's crazy all of us, all

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<v Speaker 2>of you have watched what what was everyone's specific uh role?

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<v Speaker 4>Or what role did you play? And you can go

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<v Speaker 4>around the room and in that show, since you.

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<v Speaker 5>All have that in common, from who got the first one?

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<v Speaker 5>Who got the call first? Who was the first first?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, season one, we were consulting producers on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jordan.

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<v Speaker 4>Peel explained, what consulting producers are?

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<v Speaker 11>You know, it's really just like home Boy. Okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 11>be honest, it's a little it's a little arbitrary. The

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<v Speaker 11>titles are sometimes kind of conferred based on the level

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<v Speaker 11>they want to give you, based on how much they

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<v Speaker 11>want to pay you. Uh so, But really we kind

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<v Speaker 11>of all do the same thing. We go in, we

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<v Speaker 11>all talk about it. We all try to figure out

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<v Speaker 11>how to make a show better. It's not really an

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<v Speaker 11>actual like unless you were like a writer assistant.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes consulting producers. They only come in a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>days a week.

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<v Speaker 1>But we didn't have that. We didn't have that every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had to come in every kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>Will Smith's West Philly homeboy consultant that was always credited

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the Fresh Prince Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>There by the way, I met Harry Smith last night.

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<v Speaker 13>So shout out to mister Harry Smith from No Will

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<v Speaker 13>Smith's brothers.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, Harry as an Ellen and Harry.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm enjoying the show already. I would like to say

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<v Speaker 9>that I'm co executive producer on the last so do

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<v Speaker 9>so for the first time, I found out that I

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<v Speaker 9>got paid more than men.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, five thousand books, shouts out to them. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there's a major difference, will be a

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<v Speaker 2>major difference in season two than season one. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>tell the difference between the two without burning bridges or

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<v Speaker 2>getting firs?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, take us take us through the process of how

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<v Speaker 4>a show runs.

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<v Speaker 9>WHOA, I mean, it's what basically happened is I know

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<v Speaker 9>that in season one there's almost there's only two people

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<v Speaker 9>left over. Tracey. You can help me because Tracy actually

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<v Speaker 9>opens up for Tracy Morgan on the Roads yeah, so

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<v Speaker 9>she could actually might be able to tell you more

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<v Speaker 9>about the difference of the season one season two.

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<v Speaker 14>Sure, sure.

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<v Speaker 7>The only thing I can I wasn't in the room,

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<v Speaker 7>so I can't speak. I think these two could speak

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<v Speaker 7>poor to it. But when Yeah, there's only two other

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<v Speaker 7>people that I know, Mark the Bold and Dr Kirkpatrick

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<v Speaker 7>that came back.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, overall the entire writer's room. Excuse me, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 4>entire writer's room got over Yeah, pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Much by the way.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, yeah, I would say, wouldn't Tracy, Tracy and Jordan.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm not sure a lot more.

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<v Speaker 7>Bron Yeah, there's definitely more brown. Yeah, completely changed.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, when Sheer and I arrived, like MS Kirkpatrick was

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<v Speaker 4>just was very excited to see us.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah there, yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a very different kind of room.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, and and no no offense to anybody was in

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<v Speaker 13>that room, but it was nice to have like a

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<v Speaker 13>little injection of us and that by the way, that

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<v Speaker 13>was also when Jordan's movie was blowing up, so he

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<v Speaker 13>couldn't be there every single day, so god know, it

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<v Speaker 13>was uh yeah, And I mean, like I think it

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<v Speaker 13>kind of shows because when Sheher and I showed up,

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<v Speaker 13>the script said, you know one POV, and I think

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<v Speaker 13>that we helped, you know, bring it to a POV.

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<v Speaker 11>That worked with a lot of hours, what he's trying

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<v Speaker 11>to say, a lot of midnight oil, a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that it was just assumed that because

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy came from thirty Rock, where you know, the element

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<v Speaker 2>of Tracy Morgan was allowed to be shown in that

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<v Speaker 2>particular way. Well, I also know that uh uh, Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Glover wrote all of his dialogue for that show, but.

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<v Speaker 4>That it was okay in their eyes to a lot.

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<v Speaker 9>Of sigh.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I didn't I learned. That's that's new information.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know. I didn't you didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't know that Tina Fey hired Donald Glover specifically

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<v Speaker 2>to write all of Tracy Morgan's dialogue.

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<v Speaker 11>TV shows are really I'll put it this way. In

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<v Speaker 11>all the Rise of Her can agree, it's really mysterious.

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<v Speaker 11>So like even when somebody wins in the war and

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<v Speaker 11>they go on stage, that actually might not be the

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<v Speaker 11>person who contributed to most of that episode. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 11>so you really don't know who does what until somebody

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<v Speaker 11>like you just now tells us.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, I will get cursed out online for an episode,

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<v Speaker 9>and I'll be like, has your name on it?

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<v Speaker 4>People understand, I literally wrote two episode about was common

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<v Speaker 4>knowledge that that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he wrote on this SI I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>he was. And also, listen, we call it a writer's room.

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<v Speaker 1>That's on the Sabbath.

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<v Speaker 9>I have heard different things about I will say, I

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<v Speaker 9>have to heard different things about who wrote what on

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<v Speaker 9>that show, but I've never heard I.

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<v Speaker 14>Never heard that. As much as I've tore with Tracy,

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<v Speaker 14>I never didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as you work in thirty rocks, you probably

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<v Speaker 1>have information that we don't have.

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<v Speaker 6>Could it possibly be slightly incorrect or no? Okay? Making sure, yes, okay, no, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>because some people.

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<v Speaker 2>He's saying two different things, because y'all tell me two

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<v Speaker 2>different things. Tell us what happens in the writer's room.

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<v Speaker 9>I tend to listen to a woman who worked with

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<v Speaker 9>the man who if he's never said that.

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<v Speaker 13>Okay, But I mean, I think industry wide, we call

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<v Speaker 13>it the writer's room for a reason, right, Like everybody

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<v Speaker 13>usually gets a script, but all those scripts go back

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<v Speaker 13>into the writer's room, and usually everybody contributes to it,

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<v Speaker 13>so you know, and every every show is different. So

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<v Speaker 13>like there might be some shows where like if you

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<v Speaker 13>do the first draft, most of what's in there is you.

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<v Speaker 13>But you know, like on most of the shows I've

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<v Speaker 13>written on, like the person who gets the script credit

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<v Speaker 13>like it's a little bit it's the room's project.

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<v Speaker 11>Because everybody has the task of doing it. And it's

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<v Speaker 11>actually interesting because it's very different at Jimmy Fallon because

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<v Speaker 11>as you know, we were there, Like the writer's riety

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<v Speaker 11>shows very different. You have to take a lot of

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<v Speaker 11>ownership of your bits. SNL is the same way. So

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<v Speaker 11>like we Dell and I used to write slow Jam

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<v Speaker 11>and like they weren't like a couple other times other

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<v Speaker 11>writers wrote it.

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<v Speaker 1>For the most part, it was like, y'all go write that.

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<v Speaker 11>But when you get into a writer room on a

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<v Speaker 11>narrative show, it really is the power dynamic changes the

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<v Speaker 11>who writing, what changes, What voices change, who's writing for

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<v Speaker 11>what characters changes. It depends on how the show runners running.

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<v Speaker 8>The way.

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<v Speaker 13>That's the irony is that on variety shows, everybody's all

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<v Speaker 13>the writers are in the credits at the end right

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<v Speaker 13>on these other shows and by the way, it might

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<v Speaker 13>just be one person who wrote that sketch. The opposite

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<v Speaker 13>is true on a regular show, when in fact, it's

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<v Speaker 13>sort of like the truth is the opposite, because on

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<v Speaker 13>a variety show, like one person might have written the sketch,

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<v Speaker 13>everybody gets the credit. Regular show, one person gets the credit,

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<v Speaker 13>everybody wrote the script.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the questions I have is when a show

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<v Speaker 2>is established at the beginning of the season, is there

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<v Speaker 2>an overall arc that you guys have to follow, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, if say and and Diallo are designated

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<v Speaker 2>to write episode six, and you're in a room together

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to decide what's going to happen that episode,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what if you just decided that, Okay, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get I'm gonna shoot this character off, or this person

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<v Speaker 2>is going to break their leg in this episode, And

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<v Speaker 2>then like, how is an arc carried out?

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<v Speaker 4>And what creative freedoms are you allowed to bring to

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<v Speaker 4>your episode?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean if it's a serialized episode. I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>if things track over if you're following stories over different episodes,

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<v Speaker 9>no one writer you follow what happened? WHOA Okay, what

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<v Speaker 9>happens is you track? I'm better at writing and holding

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<v Speaker 9>things in my hand. What happens is you track what's

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<v Speaker 9>going to happen each two individual episode before you start

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<v Speaker 9>assigning episodes to individual writers. So what happens is you

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<v Speaker 9>might get the episode as a writer that kills off

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<v Speaker 9>the favorite character. You can't say no, no, no, I

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<v Speaker 9>don't want.

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<v Speaker 1>To do that.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, that's just what happens.

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<v Speaker 7>That happened many times. We would go in the room,

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<v Speaker 7>you work it all out. You know, we work it

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<v Speaker 7>all out. We know the jokes, we know the direction,

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<v Speaker 7>we know how the characters tracking, what their emotional what

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<v Speaker 7>their emotions are, where they're going. And I've actually went off,

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<v Speaker 7>tried to go off script and try to like put

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<v Speaker 7>my own thing in there, and you know, no, that's

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<v Speaker 7>a no no. And I'm a staff writer, so these

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<v Speaker 7>guys are all way ahead of me, right, So as

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<v Speaker 7>a staff writer, they're like, no, no, Tracy, you need

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<v Speaker 7>to follow what was in that room and track it.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, yeah, but I felt like when I was

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<v Speaker 7>writing this that Tracy would actually say this, and they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 7>you got to stay on track, stay on course, because

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<v Speaker 7>if you go off, the rest of the rest of

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<v Speaker 7>the show is now off.

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<v Speaker 11>I think in a lot of situations, though, if it's

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<v Speaker 11>the best version of this it's a lot of discussion.

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<v Speaker 11>So and it really depends on the tones set by

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<v Speaker 11>the showrunner. Whoever's really the boss in the room, who's

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<v Speaker 11>the Kenya Bears in the room, Because that person, if

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<v Speaker 11>they're really great at their job, they're entertaining all these ideas.

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<v Speaker 11>So if Tracy comes says, hey, I want to kill

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<v Speaker 11>off this character, it's a discussion. It's not like a no,

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<v Speaker 11>and they might be like, you know what, that's dope,

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<v Speaker 11>or like if Tracy comes and says like, I feel

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<v Speaker 11>such an affinity towards Tiffany Hattish's character. I really this

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<v Speaker 11>episode where she goes and visits her mother, like I

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<v Speaker 11>should write that one because I feel strongly about that one.

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<v Speaker 11>I want to put something special on that one. If

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<v Speaker 11>the show is functioning the way it's supposed to, that

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<v Speaker 11>tends to be listened to, and you tend to let

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<v Speaker 11>people do what they're good at, especially with the first past.

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<v Speaker 14>Even with the characters.

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<v Speaker 7>Though, like what the show I'm on the neighborhood, it's about,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, a white family that moves into an all

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<v Speaker 7>black neighborhood. I believe in Pasadena and CBS show.

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<v Speaker 1>That's and it's a it's a.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a really big deal and they are extremely excited

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<v Speaker 7>about it, and we literally I don't want to give

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<v Speaker 7>too much away, but in the room it's it's split

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<v Speaker 7>half and half half white, half black. And it's interesting

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<v Speaker 7>to hear the things that we are learning about each

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<v Speaker 7>other that we're putting in the show.

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<v Speaker 14>One little thing I'll tell you. We talked about washed cloths.

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<v Speaker 1>White people don't use them.

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<v Speaker 14>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You did not know that.

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<v Speaker 14>Brought it up in the room and one of the

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<v Speaker 14>writers was like, what their hands, what do you do

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<v Speaker 14>with that?

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<v Speaker 1>I go you wash the safe Guard commercial where you

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<v Speaker 1>just watched with like my bar so is my bar soap?

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<v Speaker 14>No, this was how the room was. No one each

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<v Speaker 14>side could not believe.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you don't get in your prefaces like that,

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<v Speaker 5>like you're not scraping any dead skin. You're just really

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<v Speaker 5>on the surface. And if you're using dub you're really

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<v Speaker 5>not getting anything.

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<v Speaker 14>That's what the discussion. This discussion, right, and this is

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<v Speaker 14>not what.

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<v Speaker 5>This episode that you need you some peppermint soap, and

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<v Speaker 5>you need you a loopah and you need a nailsty.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm sorry, you will learn. So there is nothing that

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<v Speaker 9>is off limits when you introduce your wife or husband,

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<v Speaker 9>you got to warn them like people in the room no,

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<v Speaker 9>might know a little bit about you or the room.

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<v Speaker 9>Like when I introduced my significant other, don't tell him

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<v Speaker 9>what I said about her underwear his like, they don't

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<v Speaker 9>know everything about you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was gonna say, similar to what Jimmy said

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<v Speaker 2>the first year of doing the Tonight Show, was that

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<v Speaker 2>everything in your life will be introduced in the writer's room.

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<v Speaker 4>That is true.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh my god, that's something about the story you told

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<v Speaker 9>about how your mother in law gave you the Cracker

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<v Speaker 9>Barrel jacket. Oh yeah, that's your husband and my husband

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<v Speaker 9>is white. Yes, yes, can I say that? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>If we were like no, walked out the room.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, like my mother in law bought me for

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<v Speaker 7>Christmas one year kid blouse excuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, yes, but I don't follow up, follow up, but

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<v Speaker 1>she bought.

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<v Speaker 7>Me a blouse from Cracker Barrel And yes, exactly, and

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<v Speaker 7>that's I was like, it blew blew my mind. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 7>are you for real? And that hurt her feelings? Right,

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, I'm the asshole for producing the family. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>the asshole the family. So then after the holidays, she

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<v Speaker 7>came up to me. She's like, Tracy, I'm so sorry

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<v Speaker 7>about that blouse. I brought you from Cracker Barrel.

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<v Speaker 6>I said why.

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<v Speaker 7>She said, I did not know cracker bill didn't sert

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<v Speaker 7>black people back in the sixties in the seventies. And

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, that's the reason why she did research.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like.

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<v Speaker 13>That's a cracker barrel. They're like, you're about to get

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<v Speaker 13>some bro leave Cerborough is almostly titled appropriate. Seriously, yes,

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<v Speaker 13>I'm like, who the fuck is.

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<v Speaker 1>Buying and the belle and blouses out of crackerber.

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<v Speaker 11>We went to the super Bowl in Indiana one year.

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<v Speaker 11>We're falling and we ate a cracker barrel. I had

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<v Speaker 11>never had Cracker brow the first time I haven't had

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<v Speaker 11>cracker barrel. And I was like, I don't know why

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<v Speaker 11>people are fighting eat this ship.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's news to me. I believe that they got a

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<v Speaker 1>record label. They got a record label. Who Kenny Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>When Kenny Rodgers was on our.

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<v Speaker 2>Show, he was on Cracker Barrel label and they gave

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<v Speaker 2>us man have a lot of money. Wait, here's the

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<v Speaker 2>weird ship. When Jazzy Jeff got married. Okay, crack they

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<v Speaker 2>catered it like listen Will's gift to Jeff was the

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<v Speaker 2>wedding was in Jamaica, so he had them come down

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<v Speaker 2>and catering, like that's Jeff's favorite spot.

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<v Speaker 4>I am officially protesting hitting beach. I don't want my

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<v Speaker 4>money going to.

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<v Speaker 1>That burning my copy. He was Jill Scott right exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>I know she wasn't thinking that compromises.

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<v Speaker 2>It was her wedding compromises. I didn't know that about.

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<v Speaker 2>I never ate a Cracker Barrel, so I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did you do with the blouse?

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<v Speaker 1>She?

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<v Speaker 14>You know, she felt so bad about it. She took

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<v Speaker 14>it back.

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<v Speaker 7>She felt so bad about the blo I felt bad,

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<v Speaker 7>but I just go believe like she really gave. And

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<v Speaker 7>she told me nobody usually tells you when they give

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<v Speaker 7>you a Christmas game. And I got that from She's like,

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<v Speaker 7>I got it from Cracker Borrough.

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<v Speaker 14>She was really poor. So at first I'm like, is

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<v Speaker 14>she trying.

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<v Speaker 4>To say something or you know, like, you know, where

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<v Speaker 4>where is she from?

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<v Speaker 14>Indiana, Indiana?

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<v Speaker 7>In Indiana, Meryllville, Indiana, right next to Gary, Indiana, and

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<v Speaker 7>also next to Chicago, right next to Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know, They don't show, you don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, it is messed up. Okay, So what else happens in.

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<v Speaker 14>Lots of therapy?

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<v Speaker 4>Can I without without fights?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Without without uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh opening up any Pandora's boxes?

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<v Speaker 1>For years?

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<v Speaker 4>Your jobs?

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<v Speaker 1>No barrel of crackers?

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<v Speaker 4>Was the was the was the exodus of the initial

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<v Speaker 4>writers of season one?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they?

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<v Speaker 4>Were they okay with?

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<v Speaker 1>Not?

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<v Speaker 4>No one's okay with getting fired?

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<v Speaker 14>But aren't they white?

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<v Speaker 6>They got jobs now?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? I don't.

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<v Speaker 14>I really don't know any of the ones that I

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<v Speaker 14>don't know them. No.

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<v Speaker 13>I think in our case, like we we always knew

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<v Speaker 13>that we wanted to come on for one season, but

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<v Speaker 13>we had another show. We had a show a Comedy

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<v Speaker 13>Central that was, you know, something that we had created.

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<v Speaker 1>South Side.

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<v Speaker 13>The south Side just got back from Chicago, by the way,

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<v Speaker 13>like two weeks ago, three weeks ago. So for us,

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<v Speaker 13>it was more of a timing thing. We couldn't do

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<v Speaker 13>season two of last Og and do our own show.

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<v Speaker 13>So we actually went to Jordan we were like, look,

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<v Speaker 13>we got a Comedy Central show. He's like, I know

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<v Speaker 13>what that's about.

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<v Speaker 1>Go go forth.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I meant more from the standpoint of maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>white writers that were replaced with more black writers.

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<v Speaker 13>Look, I think that with that show I don't know

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<v Speaker 13>who listens to the podcast. Maybe maybe they do. I

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<v Speaker 13>think it's to say, you know, I'm saying these particular writers,

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<v Speaker 13>I think it's safe to say that at some point

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<v Speaker 13>somebody pulled them aside and was like, look, you know,

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 13>Tracy doesn't necessarily feel like you have the voice of

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<v Speaker 13>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You no. Also, most TVs, we're gonna find somebody else.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, this hapn't found Every TV show the first

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<v Speaker 11>couple of years is figuring out who actually belongs on

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<v Speaker 11>the staff, like The Simpsons, you know, my favorite show,

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 11>seasons three through eight.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a reason that season three through eight

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<v Speaker 1>are the seasons.

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<v Speaker 11>That I always say the best seasons because those first

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<v Speaker 11>they were like figuring out like oh, and then you know,

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 11>Conan shows up, and then some other you know, Al

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<v Speaker 11>Jean shows up, and then they figure out like, all right,

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<v Speaker 11>these are the voice we're really gonna take us to

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<v Speaker 11>an oakleyand Weinstein show up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I watched like the first season of the

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<v Speaker 2>Last though g and I even told Angie, like I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was. I liked the show, but to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it just didn't seem to have a tone like it

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<v Speaker 2>would have like these really supposedly comic moments and then

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<v Speaker 2>like these really dark That.

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<v Speaker 1>Part was intentional.

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<v Speaker 13>And let me just say this because you know we

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<v Speaker 13>in one of our conversations with Tracy I'll never forget

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 13>he said, like the one thing that he liked about Donald,

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 13>he actually did say, like, you know, Donald used to

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<v Speaker 13>write for me, and now he's got his show that

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<v Speaker 13>I feel like is poignant but funny and does this thing.

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<v Speaker 13>And he was like, I want this show to be

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<v Speaker 13>you laugh in one minute, you cry in the next.

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<v Speaker 13>So that was that was that was that was, that

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<v Speaker 13>was by design.

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<v Speaker 9>I will also say about white writers that are writing

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<v Speaker 9>for black shows. It's all it's amazing to me how

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<v Speaker 9>all the white shows I've been on, most of the time,

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<v Speaker 9>I've been the only black writer. But whenever on a

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:29.760
<v Speaker 9>black show, there's always a ton of white writers. But

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<v Speaker 9>I will say that a lot of times when white

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 9>writers come into a black room, it's a shock for

0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 9>them that every they don't know everything about the culture.

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:39.880
<v Speaker 9>If literally, if you have to, if you're writing about

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<v Speaker 9>black people in Brooklyn, don't assume that it's going to

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<v Speaker 9>be like writing for Maud or whatever the hell used

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<v Speaker 9>to write. You know, like study, study up on that. Like,

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<v Speaker 9>if you were writing a doctor's thing, go talk to

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 9>some doctors. But I'm amazed at how many white writers

0:25:58.359 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 9>do come into a room and it's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 9>have any friends, but I'm here, you know.

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<v Speaker 13>So that's I mean, you said that was John Ames's

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<v Speaker 13>thing back in the seventies, right, Like he was just like,

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<v Speaker 13>I can't believe there is the writer's room on my show,

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<v Speaker 13>but I'm gonna push back as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>They killed him. Yeah, whatever he left, I forget. That

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 1>was that's the roll show. I mean, really, she was real.

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>He was like, let's talk about that after this. She

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who decided I'm divided by chapters and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the moth and nothing. We decided with all the lyrics, are.

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<v Speaker 4>Making a way when you can. That's the chow Line songs,

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<v Speaker 4>the chow line.

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<v Speaker 1>Easy credit for bums. Wait, who wrote this is Quincy Jones? Stretching?

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<v Speaker 1>Hanging in the chow line?

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<v Speaker 9>Job hanging.

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<v Speaker 2>And who I think it's standing in the challenge, hanging.

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<v Speaker 1>In the child line? Shout out Chapelle? What the did

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<v Speaker 1>the child line look like in the seventies?

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<v Speaker 4>Super line?

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<v Speaker 1>Who wrote.

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 4>Jim gilstrap and Benkie Williams gilstrap.

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<v Speaker 1>What else they write that we would like? He played

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>guitar on Jim he's a guitar player.

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.479
<v Speaker 2>You know what, what a great I think that's him

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:28.639
<v Speaker 2>singing the first verse of you at sun Shine in

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>my life.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Yes away, what a great gig. That theme song.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably have mansions on top of boats, on top.

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<v Speaker 9>Of man what they're doing now, because we ain't gotten.

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>They have mansions on top of boats.

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<v Speaker 9>They have whose dream was to write theme song and

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:40.919
<v Speaker 9>they grew up and.

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Now that's over. Why don't we have advertising to watch

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>this today? I watched a lot of Cheers.

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<v Speaker 11>It's on Netflix, and it's funny because I remember when

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.199
<v Speaker 11>this happened in real life and then on Netflix. It's

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 11>funny to see that show had like a minute and

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 11>a half damn theme song, and then halfway they were like,

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 11>you know what, this is too much time to be wasting,

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 11>and then it came all the way down they cut

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 11>the whole middle out. It's just it's really about space

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:12.479
<v Speaker 11>and content. You're fighting against commercials and you're fighting against

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 11>a B storyline, which you really need to give the

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 11>A storyline air, so you just there's just no room

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 11>and so to be like and then we're gonna lose

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 11>more space a minute and a half to some singing

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 11>that has nothing to do with the plot.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I missed the outro theme. Thing used to

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>have like.

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<v Speaker 9>That happened, that's that happened to us on Scrubs. Used

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:36.360
<v Speaker 9>to say it started off we had a whole song

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 9>like I'm no Superman and by the seventh sees don't

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 9>just man.

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<v Speaker 5>I asked a question, is what was do y'all to

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 5>your recollection? What was the first sitcom that caught you.

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Family chice? What for me? Yeah?

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 4>In fact, I started wearing a tie and carrying a

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 4>briefcase to school.

0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:58.240 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it kept me on the stat and narrow. My

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<v Speaker 4>favorite episode was My Name is Alex P. Keaton?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, does a thirty minute speech he went to therapy.

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 13>By the way, has not aged well?

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Really? Yeah? I read.

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<v Speaker 13>I read a whole post about and they like posted

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 13>some clips like it's it's super self serious.

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was good, but it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, okay, can I get my answer all my questions?

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 4>Hold on?

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<v Speaker 6>I want because I know the answered. But by she here, Tracy,

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 6>you said the.

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<v Speaker 1>First show that caught you do you mind? Fact? What

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>do you mean by that?

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<v Speaker 14>As a kid?

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<v Speaker 5>To your recollection, what was the first sitcom that you

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 5>were like? You said, you laugh, You was like, this

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 5>is the ship, this is the bomb, this is bomping.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably well, I think probably the Cosby Show.

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<v Speaker 11>Actually the only thing about that show is I used

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 11>to did not I did not like that show growing

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 11>up because my family was not like that, and I

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 11>felt very much cheated.

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what they like the Southside Chicago? Uh.

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<v Speaker 11>But I recognized even when I would laugh in spite

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 11>of myself, so I recognize how great it was. But

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 11>I was also like, this is the lawyer in the

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 11>house where that happened, crack heads outside.

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>This is wonderful Brooklyn and they've been really I didn't

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>know Brooklyn had parts like that.

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 14>Say mine was a good definitely good time. I love

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 14>good times.

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 4>That was the show.

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 7>I remember thinking, God, they every episode they got to

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 7>get they got to get rent.

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 9>Every episode.

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 4>That writers had to be great.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 7>It's so funny they had to do every episode they

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 7>needed to pay rent and what they do.

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 14>A talent show always has talent show. You know a

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 14>lot of them.

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 4>You and I know that was at the wedding when

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 4>you're young and in love.

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 11>I was watching that show recently because it's on me TV,

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 11>which I watched when I go to my mom's house

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 11>and me.

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 13>TV is like, it's called memorable entertainment television. That was

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 13>really excuse the shows shows from the seventies.

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<v Speaker 11>I just want to say that I didn't realize how

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 11>much because it was every single episode they have like

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 11>a terrible crisis that they every that's lose kids.

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Falling down there. He's getting burnt over. You know that.

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 13>You know that The Cosby Show got rejected a bunch

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 13>of different places because he would not Every network was like,

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 13>but you got to put him in the get on.

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 13>He's like, no, my black family is going to be

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 13>in a very wealthy They were all like, we'll just

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 13>do it in Harlem.

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 4>He's like, no, we're going to do Brooklyn like him

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 4>make School.

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 14>I did not know women.

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 4>So eventually he drug Brandon Tartakoff. I've I fell off

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 4>the bandwagon.

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Watched my first Cosby episode day before yesterday.

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>We watched and I got a little this great. I

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>never stopped watching. I was protesting.

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.239
<v Speaker 4>I just didn't know that it was on TV one

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 4>on TV one and it was coming on Bounce.

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I think. I think so the syndication never act stopped,

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>did it? But it's not on iTunes anymore. There's supposed to.

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 13>Be runs off Black television all the streaming that I

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 13>can't get on iTunes.

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 9>Anymore on Netflix. What are you gonna say, Man, nobody

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 9>gave a shout out to What's happening? I'm only going

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 9>to want to be that was your ship. Yeah, well

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 9>besides watching the Jefferson being like these kids ain't mixed,

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 9>that's hilarious.

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 4>Still has a big problem that casting that they still

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 4>they still can't do it right. And we have Michael

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 4>McDonald on the show and he was breaking down the

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 4>Doobie brother.

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Classiclastic yes of what that was happening the ball.

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Like, man, yeah, I love that. That's when of the

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the Dowie Brothers had like the Cafe or whatever right perform.

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that episode, Yeah, that was that was the one

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>for me.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 7>I feel like back then we gave permission to for

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 7>things that just didn't when you think about it, when

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 7>when rerun dropped the recorder auditorium, it was literally like

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 7>right in.

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Front like a whole auditorium criminal leans, right, And.

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 9>We always talk That's another thing we do in writers,

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 9>and we always talk about how easy it must have

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 9>been back in the day. Just be like, all right,

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 9>we just want to get some people stranded on an island,

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 9>can't That.

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 4>Was supposed to be a one season show, know that,

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 4>and it was too bigg a hit.

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 11>We talk about how much money people used to making

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 11>ride around So you know, everybody I know nowadays has

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 11>fifteen jobs.

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>If you have any kind of.

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 4>Show, season five will have an apartment.

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Like the money is not. If you're a writer on

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Cheers for like four seasons, you are ever So it's

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the goal. You don't need money.

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 9>Got to get to her call girl appointment after this.

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 14>Bitch, the one.

0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>This would be easy, that's convenient. The reason I was

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>late when it God damn. Can I ask the profession

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that the four of you are in.

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Is there an instant pressure to always come up with

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 2>a line, like when you're when you're dealing I'm treating

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>this like porno, Like when when you're dealing with civilians,

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:25.959
<v Speaker 2>like just regular people that don't work on your show,

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 2>do you have to hold yourself back from always saying

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>the joke and like and just always.

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 4>But that's the thing as long I've.

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Known as for so long, and you always you always

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<v Speaker 2>have the punchline like ready and.

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<v Speaker 9>It's I wasted so many.

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<v Speaker 4>No, but I meant, like, in your can you ever

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 4>just relax and not go for the punchline?

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<v Speaker 9>Catch at hour twelve? In the writers?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I mean even I found like that writer, I

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 11>wouldn't describe it as like a happy room with like

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 11>joyfulness and well no, no, no, the punchline as in.

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<v Speaker 4>You're always humorous. Because I visited uh ah man uh

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 4>men men Chuck Laurn.

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<v Speaker 2>So I visited the set of two and a half Men,

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 2>and it was during a break, and I saw something

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>that just blew my mind. Like I guess the director

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 2>stood in the center and then all his riders was

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 2>in a circle and he's like, all right, I need

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>someone to go.

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<v Speaker 14>That's what we go, that's that's not go go. That

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<v Speaker 14>was Tuesday night for me this past Tuesday.

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 13>And by the way, that definitely happens more multi Like

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 13>on I was on Marlin. Whenever we would call break,

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 13>Marlon would like sit somewhere on set and then like

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 13>all these all these people who weren't even I mean

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 13>like some of them are writers and some of them were.

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Just ways.

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 4>Around him, and then he come out with like twenty

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 4>new jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>That happens on single cameras too.

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 11>I mean, I've never been on a single camera where

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 11>you weren't shooting a scene and then they were like,

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 11>all right, we can we do some different jokes in

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 11>the scene.

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>But is there a pressure because just the way that

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 2>the director was treating them, it's like if you came

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 2>to the no, yeah really really no.

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 13>And by the way, some writers really perform in those environments,

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 13>Like some people you're like, oh, that dude is a killer,

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 13>you know. Oh, she's always got she's always got a

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 13>punch line ready to go, like a good one.

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love that.

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 7>That Actually that that actually gets me going because it's

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 7>where that happened Tuesday night. That happens every Tuesday night

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 7>when we tape. You gotta be ready and a line

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 7>that we thought when the room was gonna hit didn't hit.

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 7>The show runners turning around, Okay, be thinking about this line,

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 7>and all of us are thinking, and you.

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 11>Should be thinking about that when you're watching it, the writers,

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.879
<v Speaker 11>you should be watching that, we definitely want to punch

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 11>up these five lines before he comes over here or

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 11>she comes over here.

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:39.839
<v Speaker 4>Now, do you sometimes question.

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>The intelligence of the target audience of the show, In

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 2>other words, the writers you guys might be Harvard material.

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 13>I think that's I think that's a terrible excuse, Like

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 13>if you're like, oh, well, they're just not smart enough

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 13>to get it. I've heard that said. I heard it

0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.879
<v Speaker 13>said a lot on certain TV shows, but but it's

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 13>never the truth.

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Not having to me like not having faith in the

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 2>audience is not having faith in the art, Like it's

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 2>it's insecurity.

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Like if you if you can be funny, then motherfuckers

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:12.719
<v Speaker 1>get it.

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but then you see the Nielsen ratings come back,

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 9>and then the network people don't understand it. Sometimes what

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 9>we write will want it to be a certain will

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 9>write a certain thing, and then by the time it

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 9>goes through a studio a network, and then they'll say,

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:27.880
<v Speaker 9>we can't say that because we have advertisers that you know,

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 9>it'll come out and it'll be five times watered down.

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 1>So even okay, you bought that up. Who has a

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Nielsen box? I've never in all my life, I don't

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:41.239
<v Speaker 1>know nobody never got not a Nielsen box. We used

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:42.439
<v Speaker 1>to have to do the journals and stuff.

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 14>Knew somebody always.

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 9>My mom made us write down every black TV show.

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 9>But the whole thing is we send it didn't count.

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>That's my mama was great.

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 9>Guy Like two two seven.

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Even if you didn't watch I was always lying on

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 2>my because you know, I couldn't write down that I

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>was watching Real Sex at ten o'clock on front scrambled

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 2>like real Sex has a zero point one again Niels

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>used now or yeah, everything is used?

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 4>Have they come Have they figured out a way to

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 4>figure in?

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 8>Is?

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, they have to have Live Plus. They have Live

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 13>Live plus three, Live plus five and then Live Plus.

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 13>That's the number of days it took for people to

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 13>watch it when it was sitting on their on their

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 13>t VR. Oh wow, it's built into our cable. Yeah,

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.359
<v Speaker 13>but they don't measure after Live plus seven. Interestingly enough,

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 13>because advertisers don't care if you're watching it twelve days later,

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 13>like they want you to go see, you know, rampage

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 13>this week at the you know what I'm saying.

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 7>So I was at a meeting for I found out

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 7>that they're even Nelson ratings are also using like Instagram

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 7>like they're.

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 14>The streaming they said that just started last year.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 11>Well, engagement is another way they measure like there are

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 11>TV shows that get terrible ratings, but they are in

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.919
<v Speaker 11>season six because they're always being written about and they

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 11>have a huge people online ride or die for them

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 11>online and people like, we tweet about it crazy, they

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:18.399
<v Speaker 11>want to talk about it. So you're like this other

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 11>show that I like has way more ratings, but it's

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 11>going away because people aren't talking about it.

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 9>And no wonder why they had seven characters killed off

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:26.359
<v Speaker 9>of that show so they could keep affording.

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 4>The budget since they're not getting rating.

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 9>Then people be like, damn it, you ruined my show.

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 9>Well we had to keep you know, the budget down.

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 5>Do you guys feel the pressure to keep like a

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:35.800
<v Speaker 5>social media situation and be present?

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't, but yeah, you like your life goes? You

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>have no you don't got no instagra. I don't fuck

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 1>with social media.

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 6>Damn how you doing it?

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I want that?

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 4>Yes, you never had a Twitter.

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I used to have everything. I just got rid of

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 1>it all. I had everything. What made you?

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 11>I'll be honest. I heard I heard Kendrick Lamar talking

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 11>on the radio. Okay, and when he's when is uh uh?

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 11>What's the one that came out before? The one right

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 11>before that Good Kid, Mad City, Good Kids, Good Caid

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:08.400
<v Speaker 11>mass City came out. He was on the radio and

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 11>he was just talking about how like he had this

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.360
<v Speaker 11>epiphany that like he's like, every minute that I'm like

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:14.800
<v Speaker 11>on social media, it is a minute that I'm not

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 11>working on my art, and he's like, I.

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:17.919
<v Speaker 1>Gotta stop doing that. And I thought to myself because

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't where I wanted to be in my wife

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>at the time, and I was like, this young man

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>is on something. Now.

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:27.439
<v Speaker 4>I will say with a year from now and see

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 4>if he's still no social media. How did you two meet?

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 4>Because you're kind of like Ernie and Bert in my head?

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I appreciate Ernie.

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:37.240
<v Speaker 6>What school did you guys go to Harvard?

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>You're not Ernie? We met?

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:42.800
<v Speaker 4>I do you love pigeons? I feel like your birth.

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 13>I have a I have a sixteen month year old now,

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 13>so I watch a lot more Sesame Street than I

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:52.439
<v Speaker 13>used to, and I'm like, oh so John Legend singing

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:54.399
<v Speaker 13>with the Muppins, Now, this is all right, this is okay.

0:40:55.400 --> 0:41:00.360
<v Speaker 13>And we met anapella a cappella group called called Brothers.

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 13>That was the best name on the planet, the best

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:05.399
<v Speaker 13>name of the smart black kids at hard we could

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 13>come up with. And we all and we all wore

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 13>maroon vests and we sang like boys to men.

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:18.759
<v Speaker 1>It was a disaster Brothers. No, no, it was like

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 1>it was like eleven but no, no, no, there was

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 1>a core five. Here's the thing. We were like, we

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 1>were like wu tang.

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 11>Here's why he's saying that, because there was like eleven members,

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 11>but like only five would show up to the gigs.

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Because you guys here again, damn anybody give a about

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Brothers tonight?

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 11>All right, man, you gotta sing sing man o man

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 11>for the fucking Bayfish Company.

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 6>Englishman by the impressions, what English majors?

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Or he was pre mad? I was pretty mad. I was,

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:54.759
<v Speaker 1>And I went to Harvard, so my parents wasn't trying

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to from the hood. I went to Harvard.

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 11>My parents weren't trying to hear me be like I'm

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.360
<v Speaker 11>an actor, So I had to pretend I was pre

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 11>mad for like I was.

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I was.

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 4>I was an econ major, you know, I thought I

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 4>was going to Wall Street and uh, you know, and.

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:10.359
<v Speaker 2>Both y'all graduated, Yeah, graduated and to people were like, hey, man,

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 2>you a darv oh man, you gotta be a millionaire.

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, hey, getting there man.

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 11>People are like, all right, but can I say something

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.359
<v Speaker 11>really that my personal personal opinion is if you're an artist,

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 11>I really feel like college is like might be a

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.839
<v Speaker 11>terrible decision. I know a lot of people I won't

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 11>name them at Harvard who I think would be really

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 11>big right now in society as artists. But they they

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 11>just they just decided to go to class instead of

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:39.720
<v Speaker 11>saying fun that let me go get this hustle.

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 14>I just.

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to.

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 14>It's a lot of people like college, please, motherfucker seriously.

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 1>That's my two cents. I mean people different people differently.

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 2>About you're a musician, What the fuck are you doing

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 2>in college?

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't want What about?

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.360
<v Speaker 6>I don't want my oldest your money?

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:02.760
<v Speaker 5>College?

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't. They don't actually teach that at Counting.

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:09.720
<v Speaker 1>They don't teach a county.

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 14>Yes, but you need a backup, you need what.

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 7>What my mama told me was I always wanted to

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 7>be a comedian. She said, baby, you need to go

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 7>to school, you know, to go to college and I'm

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 7>from the South. So I went to a community college

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:29.719
<v Speaker 7>for two years, Miami Dad Community College. And then if

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 7>I grew up in Miami Opaca in the hood in

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:42.239
<v Speaker 7>a way, So yeah, I went to Miami Dad for

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 7>two years and then I was on the speech and

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:45.839
<v Speaker 7>debate team. And that's how I knew I would get

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 7>out of Miami. I wanted out of Miami back then.

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.319
<v Speaker 7>It was so bad back then, and so I got

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 7>a scholarship to a college in Ohio. Never been to

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 7>the Midwest, Heidelberg University.

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 14>I was going to go there.

0:43:58.520 --> 0:43:59.919
<v Speaker 7>I was going to go there, but the speech coach

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 7>he was at Eastern Michigan University. So I went and

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:05.879
<v Speaker 7>got in there and then he quit and he said,

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:07.839
<v Speaker 7>if you come with me, I'll get you a full ride.

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 7>So I went with him, and I got a full ride.

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 9>I'm with you the way you said, because one of

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 9>the things that I think about all the time, we

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 9>talk about the pressure you could get fired from a

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 9>writing job at any time. I've gone years without work,

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 9>and I'm like, I went to University of Pennsylvania, I

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 9>have a medical anthropology.

0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:24.439
<v Speaker 6>I don't know how to do shit.

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it.

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:34.879
<v Speaker 9>Literally I'm like, I don't know how I can't even

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 9>do my own taxes at this point, I don't know.

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 9>You know what I'm saying, We don't. We didn't learn.

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 9>I didn't learn anything.

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 11>You know what eye opening is to that point is

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:43.400
<v Speaker 11>the number of people who I went to college with

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 11>to this day who will be liked. I'll probably gets

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 11>more than I do, because he's more engaged, like reaching

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 11>out and being Hey man, that right ship seems to

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 11>be going well. So how does one get into that.

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.399
<v Speaker 11>I'm like that you went to You did recruiting when

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 11>you was twenty five. When I came to La and starved,

0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 11>you was recruiting and you had a job at Goldman.

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.839
<v Speaker 11>So I'm gonna tell you at this point go back

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:04.319
<v Speaker 11>in time to work twenty twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's take a break.

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<v Speaker 6>Shout out the rest the piece of Alan.

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:25.239
<v Speaker 1>How I'm thinking right this right this strokes man, I'm

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>looking it up money and Jeanette the Bla look it up.

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:38.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, but who wrote this one? Range Waters?

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:42.360
<v Speaker 1>That's her singing. That's her singing.

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:50.279
<v Speaker 4>But it's okay, Jennett Dubu and Jeff Barry there.

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 10>I could be wrong.

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:53.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a long ass theme.

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.160
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they would burning a few minutes of content time.

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, okay, the spread is eight pages, John,

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 1>we got to make some fun. It's only forty one seconds.

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 1>But you know that's so.

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<v Speaker 13>By the way, can I just say, can I just

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 13>say you were playing Barney Miller earlier? So I had

0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 13>to look at up Hal Lindon still alive?

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:15.399
<v Speaker 1>Really?

0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, I figured I was like that thought, it has

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:21.919
<v Speaker 13>to be out of here. He's eighty seven. Here's something

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 13>I did not know about. This was like forgotten me.

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:29.399
<v Speaker 15>So the co writer the Jefferson theme song also wrote

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:33.839
<v Speaker 15>River Deep, Mountain High. Really the dude run Tina Turner

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 15>song and he kissed me Jeff Barry.

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Woos getting page.

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah makes sense, it makes sense, all right.

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 2>So, uh, Bashir and Diallo, would you mind uh sharing

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:57.919
<v Speaker 2>with us the experience of trying to develop a show

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 2>for HBO. Yeah, the whole experience of brothers in Atlanta.

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, shout out, Brosident and y'all just looked at

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 2>the floor like y'all wanted to pour some liquor on

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the ground.

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Liquor. I mean it's like losing one of your children.

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:10.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 13>And by the way, we did two pilots for place

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 13>in four years and two months, so that was four years.

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>And two months. Can see and acted on shows on HBO.

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 13>Of course you can't do that, Okay, you definitely don't

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.680
<v Speaker 13>have any of it. I'm sorry, because that would be

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 13>that would be illegal.

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay. I will say that. I'm so proud of Brothers

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta. It's so fucking funny. Fonte is in it.

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:38.120
<v Speaker 1>It's just but it's still funny.

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 4>So what what what's the process of trying to start

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 4>a car that well, I will.

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 11>Say HBOS process I think is evolving, but it's typically

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.439
<v Speaker 11>a longer process. We were there developing for two years,

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 11>which is on the minimum side. There are other people

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.239
<v Speaker 11>there who've been developing for up to six years.

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, there was also that one project that was there

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 4>for eight years.

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.879
<v Speaker 11>Of development, which is I think a testament to their

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:04.879
<v Speaker 11>sense over there that everything needs to be slowed down

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 11>to the point we can examine it a lot to

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 11>make sure it's great. Sometimes that works. We see some

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 11>of the shows obviously, like Game of Thrones are incredible.

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 11>Sometimes that process that they have leads to I think we.

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 13>Were also there during a period of great executive turnover. Like,

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 13>we were there for three different presidents of the network,

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 13>so when we arrived there was one person who was president.

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:24.840
<v Speaker 1>She was a big champion.

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 13>We did a pilot there called The Reporters, which I

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 13>think conceptually is still one of the best things we've.

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Ever don so okay, yeah, because I never literally saw

0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the best thing in the world. It's about these two

0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:34.360
<v Speaker 1>black reporters.

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 13>We basically we took all the president's men and we

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 13>put ourselves in the roles of those reporters. And I

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.239
<v Speaker 13>don't think it's any industry secret anymore. The concept of

0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 13>the show was essentially that every conspiracy theory that black

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:55.839
<v Speaker 13>people believe in, we were on the hunt to find

0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:56.840
<v Speaker 13>out if it was true or not.

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:01.240
<v Speaker 4>And the joke was, give me example, is Tupac alive?

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:06.320
<v Speaker 13>Every every episode was us examining a different sort of like,

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 13>you know, because one of them actually came out of Foullain.

0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 4>The original one is yeah, no, it was it was

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:13.479
<v Speaker 4>the search for James Brown's Gold.

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:16.000
<v Speaker 13>So when Eddie came on, When Eddie Murphy came on,

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:19.320
<v Speaker 13>Jimmy Fallon, he said that like you know, he'd he

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 13>you know, he was blowing up as a young comedian

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:23.680
<v Speaker 13>and he met James Brown and James Brown was like, hey,

0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:25.719
<v Speaker 13>are you doing so good man? You know, but but

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 13>but don't put your money in a bank. And he

0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 13>was like, well what should I do with the money?

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 1>And he was like do what I do? Hey?

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:35.279
<v Speaker 13>Man bury that shariot in the woods. He was like,

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.359
<v Speaker 13>what if you forget where you're barried? He's like, hey,

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 13>at least the government won't get it. So we were

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 13>sitting in our desci foul and we were like, what

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:49.880
<v Speaker 13>if somewhere in Augusta, Georgia, you know, was in the woods.

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 13>There's like tons of hidden treasures, so our characters would

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:54.279
<v Speaker 13>just go in search of all that stuff. It was

0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.960
<v Speaker 13>a really sort of unique concept for a show. We

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 13>also came at a time when like Girls was starting

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:02.960
<v Speaker 13>to take off for HBO, So I feel like they

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.719
<v Speaker 13>steered us in a way more like Girls and let's

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.160
<v Speaker 13>do a very grounded I mean, we.

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 11>Just to be honest, We just you know what I'm

0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 11>learning because we're now we're Comedy Central the South Side

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.239
<v Speaker 11>and it's like night and day. It really comes down

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:16.399
<v Speaker 11>to support. We just had a support, Like we didn't

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 11>have the support you have to have the support the

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 11>person the top, and eventually the person the top changed

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.480
<v Speaker 11>and they supported other ship and we were still there.

0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:26.919
<v Speaker 11>We were like, oh, well that president, just finish the story.

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:29.160
<v Speaker 11>That president left. New president comes on. He's like, hey,

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:30.880
<v Speaker 11>I love you guys. I don't like the pilot you

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 11>did for her. Do a pilot for me. So that

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:37.040
<v Speaker 11>was another two years of our lives. That it takes

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.320
<v Speaker 11>that long, That takes that long to it doesn't have

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 11>to No, it doesn't happen. But that's the that was

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.240
<v Speaker 11>the way process then. I don't know what the process

0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:43.640
<v Speaker 11>is now.

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:45.359
<v Speaker 1>What it's gonna change because they got to put out

0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 1>like ten times more content.

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.959
<v Speaker 13>We shot a great pilot with with Fante as he said,

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 13>and j Smith and Maya Rudolph and Big Boy from Outcast,

0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 13>and it was a great pilot.

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:56.720
<v Speaker 1>It was all about being in Atlanta.

0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 13>Actually, at one point Donald was going to be in

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:01.799
<v Speaker 13>our another point he was like, Hey, after I come

0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:03.399
<v Speaker 13>up to her, I'm gonna do my own Atlanta show.

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:04.800
<v Speaker 1>We're also big fans of Atlanta.

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.240
<v Speaker 13>I think like the same way there are a million

0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:09.719
<v Speaker 13>white shows that take place in New York and LA.

0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:12.919
<v Speaker 4>You can have more than one black. It takes place.

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:14.960
<v Speaker 11>I will say one thing that's a little that was

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 11>difficult and frustrating for me was you know, back in

0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:22.280
<v Speaker 11>twenty twelve, Diallo was telling the network like, Hey, Atlanta, Atlanta,

0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 11>Atlanta my hometown. I'm from there. We got to do

0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 11>a show in Atlanta, and they just you should see

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:29.520
<v Speaker 11>the blank stairs. We would get the meetings and to

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 11>the point where we had to wait till twenty fifteen

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 11>where GQ published an article saying, hey, Atlanta has is

0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 11>a city where like music is important and then we

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 11>had to like walk that into President Hbill's office, like see,

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 11>We've been saying for three years.

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Like this is the real thing. Now. This frustrating not

0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:45.240
<v Speaker 1>being able.

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:47.719
<v Speaker 4>To wait with the Columbus to discover Atlanta before they

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:48.800
<v Speaker 4>us there.

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:52.880
<v Speaker 13>How do they feel with the success of the other

0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 13>Atlanta Like to have you had a I just told

0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 13>you so? Or like, no, man, we haven't had time

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:01.640
<v Speaker 13>to say I told you so. I will say that, Uh,

0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 13>you know, there's a I'm I'm happy for anybody who

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 13>gets to anybody black who gets create a show. So

0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:10.799
<v Speaker 13>like people ask me about other black shows, and even

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 13>if I don't love those shows, I'll geninly be like,

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.319
<v Speaker 13>I love it because it is so hard to get

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 13>an idea that is pure through the crucible.

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 1>It's so hard to get that shape.

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 4>So you're telling me just because a show was greenlit,

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 4>that's not mean.

0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:31.839
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.240
<v Speaker 13>So at the end of the story, so Brothers in Atlanta,

0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:37.279
<v Speaker 13>we shot, we shot the pilot, and uh, it went

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:39.400
<v Speaker 13>to series and we hired a room full of writers

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:41.800
<v Speaker 13>and we wrote the entire first season and then we

0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 13>were like, okay, so what are our production days.

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 4>So they're like, we'll get back to you, and we'll

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:47.040
<v Speaker 4>get back to you.

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 13>Stretched out for six months of our lives and we're

0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 13>out here in l A like just waiting, and then

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:56.239
<v Speaker 13>they called us one day and and and uh. The

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 13>new person was like, I think we're going in a

0:52:59.200 --> 0:52:59.760
<v Speaker 13>different direction.

0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:02.880
<v Speaker 4>So I'm curious, who is the sounding board? What do

0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 4>you mean, who was the judge in the injury with

0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:08.000
<v Speaker 4>the hands on the guillotine, the whether you know, Oh,

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:09.399
<v Speaker 4>it's the President's the people at the top.

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 11>But you know, but those decisions are made by the

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 11>people who work in the building, who are in competition

0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 11>with each other. So if we've been there for four

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 11>years and somebody's coming in with something that that's new

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 11>and hot and they like and they're true, and there's

0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 11>only so much airtime on HBO. Now you're in a

0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 11>competition between like, well, are we gonna put out this

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 11>thing or this new thing? And then that's without somebody

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:30.440
<v Speaker 11>else developed that. I mean, there's a lot of that

0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:33.040
<v Speaker 11>networks with like, well, somebody else developed that project, and

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 11>I don't care about that project. I got this project.

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 11>So we sort of ran into some of that turbulence the.

0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:40.800
<v Speaker 13>Same way at any network, the previous administration developed something

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 13>and then those people are fleshed out the incoming People

0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:50.239
<v Speaker 13>often say, and this is some real talk about the industry. Yeah, well,

0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.879
<v Speaker 13>if this thing hits, it's gonna make my predecessor look good.

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.560
<v Speaker 13>It doesn't help me, and it doesn't help me, so

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 13>I'm just gonna push it out.

0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:59.959
<v Speaker 6>I tell you guys, that's for most jobs entertainment people.

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's crazy.

0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 11>Yeah we're saying, you know, but I will say everybody,

0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:07.279
<v Speaker 11>it did make me thinking, because Fante, you said, that's

0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:08.319
<v Speaker 11>what happens in the record isstruy.

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I think what we went through, by the way, I

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:12.360
<v Speaker 1>had a really good talk with Raphael to dig about it.

0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.120
<v Speaker 11>He is such a good person to talk to anyway,

0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 11>because he worked with us on the Maya Rudolph thing.

0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 11>But it made me think about, like, how many great

0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:24.200
<v Speaker 11>albums have I never heard because some fucking executive pushed

0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:26.600
<v Speaker 11>it out. But then it also means that, like some

0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:28.920
<v Speaker 11>artists have to have that tenacity to be like, well,

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:30.560
<v Speaker 11>I have three albums that are incredible that are never

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:33.279
<v Speaker 11>coming out. Now I got to go make a fourth call.

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:35.600
<v Speaker 11>That's fucking I can't even I mean, I can't imagine

0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 11>it because I've had to do it. But it's incredible

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.839
<v Speaker 11>to think about the volume of good material that one

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:43.160
<v Speaker 11>person has like kept back.

0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 1>From the world.

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to really think it, Like if you're

0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 2>I think, if you're an artist just now, you really

0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 2>have to have it in mind. Like when people say

0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:52.439
<v Speaker 2>you're in it for the long haul, in your mind,

0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:55.879
<v Speaker 2>you might be thinking the long haul is like four years, nigga.

0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 1>That shit is more like ten.

0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:03.440
<v Speaker 9>Mabody, who has judged some of the Diversity Writing Contest

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 9>and watched people's career. I mean some of the scripts

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 9>that some suck, but some are amazing. But then you

0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:12.680
<v Speaker 9>see people's especially for black women. I'll say in half

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 9>an hour comedy and we have we haven't. We haven't

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.319
<v Speaker 9>run a network one since the nineties, so it's very

0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:26.080
<v Speaker 9>it's a voice sore spot. But since living thing, yes, yes, yes,

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:29.680
<v Speaker 9>what about it said half an hour comedy, which I

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:31.240
<v Speaker 9>care about because they know right hours?

0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I mean we haven't.

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 9>And it's like there's I mean, there's guys, there's like

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:39.440
<v Speaker 9>you know, even Cable, there's Saladin, and there's some princess

0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:41.239
<v Speaker 9>who's running in secure. But just for a woman to

0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 9>actually have a voice in half an hour, and I've

0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:45.200
<v Speaker 9>watched this young lady and a lot of times what

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.359
<v Speaker 9>happens is they'll hire diverse writers because they get them

0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:50.400
<v Speaker 9>for free under a program forer year fire. I mean

0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:52.280
<v Speaker 9>they have to start every year at the same level.

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:52.600
<v Speaker 1>As the staff.

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<v Speaker 11>I just found that also, that they'll hire like even

0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 11>if somebody man woman gets a job and is like,

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.719
<v Speaker 11>this is your show, it's greatanlet What America doesn't know

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:03.759
<v Speaker 11>is that the network then go behind and hire this

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:05.799
<v Speaker 11>other person to come in and basically sit over your

0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 11>shoulder for the whole time and try and direct to

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:10.680
<v Speaker 11>control what you do because they are more in tune

0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:12.319
<v Speaker 11>with the network actually wants, And I've seen a lot

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:16.160
<v Speaker 11>of frustrated people be like they have to be working

0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 11>with this other writer and they don't really get they

0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 11>don't even get black people.

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:22.399
<v Speaker 1>And it's just like, but that's that's the condition under

0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:23.799
<v Speaker 1>which you get to put your show on the air.

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 1>So that happens often.

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So.

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Like during the time you were saying that, you know,

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:33.040
<v Speaker 2>years will go by, whatever will go by before you

0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 2>had a job, or you know, when you're between jobs,

0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:36.520
<v Speaker 2>how would you support yourself?

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:37.799
<v Speaker 1>How do you eat as a writer?

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<v Speaker 9>Hebe I know how to do that. I mean, I

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:41.880
<v Speaker 9>wrote the Diaries. I mean, but honestly, it's this is

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.520
<v Speaker 9>what happens a lot of time. There's so many stories

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 9>about being a lot of times there's not a lot

0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:48.880
<v Speaker 9>of This is the first show that I've worked on

0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:50.920
<v Speaker 9>and I've been out here for seventeen years where I've

0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:54.040
<v Speaker 9>written for a lead black woman, you know, and a

0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 9>lot of times people will think that it's a black girl,

0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 9>she could only write for black women. I'm like, I've

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 9>lived in a white and a man's world my whole life.

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:02.880
<v Speaker 9>I have to learn to navigate this, like you literally,

0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:06.239
<v Speaker 9>on paper, I'm the whitest person on Earth. It's like,

0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 9>if you didn't Angela Ministile, what the.

0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Hell is that?

0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 9>But it's very it's unless they feel like your voice

0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:16.800
<v Speaker 9>will contribute. They literally look at a lot of times

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 9>on these literal half hour comedies, they only look at

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:21.520
<v Speaker 9>people of color through a people of color less Like

0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:23.640
<v Speaker 9>even when you're pitching, they'll be like, Okay, here's our

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.880
<v Speaker 9>Latina character. She's gonna take salsa lessons.

0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:29.440
<v Speaker 1>And she's Latina, she probably don't need to take lessons.

0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:33.040
<v Speaker 7>You know.

0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:37.320
<v Speaker 9>I've had such interesting comments with black women about getting

0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:39.560
<v Speaker 9>staffed on shows. I remember one girl saying her go

0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 9>to strategy is getting her hair put in corn rolls

0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:43.960
<v Speaker 9>because then people know that she's the authentic black when

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 9>she comes back. She was like, I do it every

0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:48.320
<v Speaker 9>year and it works. She was like, until before that,

0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.040
<v Speaker 9>you know, and it's have.

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 5>You watched any of the either YouTube ladies. Have y'all

0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:54.520
<v Speaker 5>watched The Love Is at All? Because it kind of

0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:57.840
<v Speaker 5>shows like the process. But I heard it does show

0:57:58.240 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 5>when she went to YouTube.

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Is that on Netflix?

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:03.680
<v Speaker 14>That's on own all right?

0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 6>And it's the story of Mara, And I thought, uh.

0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:11.800
<v Speaker 11>About I watched Green Leaf? Yeah, I have watched that's

0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:14.520
<v Speaker 11>the Mother show, y'all, Sleeping on green Leaf?

0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 3>I love it?

0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:19.440
<v Speaker 5>Could they show her being a staff writer from Martin

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:21.280
<v Speaker 5>back in the day before she became who she is

0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:23.240
<v Speaker 5>mar brock and kill and supporting her husband.

0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 1>To me, that's those are the most interesting parts of

0:58:25.280 --> 0:58:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the show. Yeah. Yeah, the love story part is it's

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:31.760
<v Speaker 1>like some beauty but like it.

0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 9>Now I'm in.

0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:36.240
<v Speaker 1>That is that her new show?

0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:36.640
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:40.080
<v Speaker 1>That show? I never heard back?

0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:41.040
<v Speaker 7>What were you?

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Seriously now I'm here. What happened y'all? What happened on

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the show or the show?

0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:50.120
<v Speaker 14>I don't even remembering?

0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 11>No, no, I told her I for that show because

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 11>I had to meet with Mara and her husband Rye,

0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 11>who are like the dream team, you know.

0:58:56.720 --> 0:58:59.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like straight up. But that show is about their

0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:01.160
<v Speaker 1>assent through in early days.

0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 5>And they tell it through the story of them being older.

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:05.080
<v Speaker 5>So two older actors telling the story.

0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Clark Peters and I cannot remember the ladies name.

0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's the Freeman from the Wire and I can't remember

0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the lady that plays the older And that's.

0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:14.120
<v Speaker 14>About calloways on here too.

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 1>That's why her. I love her.

0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:19.160
<v Speaker 7>But when I was in the o g Room, that

0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:21.600
<v Speaker 7>was my first that's my first writing job, first time

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:23.720
<v Speaker 7>ever writing in the room. I've been a comedian for

0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:26.600
<v Speaker 7>twenty years, touring all across the country. You know, got

0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:28.480
<v Speaker 7>on the tour with Tracy and he's like, I want

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 7>to put you in my room. I like the way

0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:31.760
<v Speaker 7>you write, like your jokes. So I got in the

0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 7>room and I and I thought that was just how

0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 7>it was. I thought this was normal. And then Andrew's like, no,

0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.960
<v Speaker 7>you never see this many black writers in one way.

0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:41.760
<v Speaker 14>I thought this was because I loved it.

0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I was.

0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:43.439
<v Speaker 14>It was like I was home.

0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 7>We had so much fun in the room. We let

0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:49.920
<v Speaker 7>We were so loud that the other rooms would come

0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:53.080
<v Speaker 7>over to see what we were doing and they would.

0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:54.880
<v Speaker 9>Say they did that.

0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:57.080
<v Speaker 7>I think they did want to say that, but they

0:59:57.200 --> 0:59:58.600
<v Speaker 7>but when they opened the door and see all these

0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:00.880
<v Speaker 7>black people are like, Okay, we can't we can't really

1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:01.160
<v Speaker 7>say that.

1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:02.880
<v Speaker 14>We can't say nothing funny.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it was.

1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:07.000
<v Speaker 14>But I thought that was normal. And I heard all

1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:08.760
<v Speaker 14>these stories like no, that's this is a first.

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<v Speaker 11>But you have to have a successful show with somebody

1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:17.120
<v Speaker 11>like Tracy, who the network is now in tremendous financial

1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:20.480
<v Speaker 11>business with must listen to like Donald of effects to

1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:22.160
<v Speaker 11>be able to get to that place where you can

1:00:22.240 --> 1:00:24.440
<v Speaker 11>have those types of rooms, because again, it's like they

1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:26.960
<v Speaker 11>meddle in every little part of it, and you have

1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.760
<v Speaker 11>to have somebody at the top who's just like, don't

1:00:29.800 --> 1:00:30.000
<v Speaker 11>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what's gonna be, all right. So the room,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, you know, in the past room. The past

1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:49.000
<v Speaker 2>year or so, the me too movement has at least

1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:52.840
<v Speaker 2>started to steer or the I'm sorry already the idea

1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:57.840
<v Speaker 2>of me too has started to uh, I don't know,

1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:03.960
<v Speaker 2>create some dialogue about respect on the on in the

1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:06.240
<v Speaker 2>writer's room and in the boardroom or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>But uh, at its worst, can you tell us, Angela, what.

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<v Speaker 1>How Toxico?

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, what's interesting to me first before about the

1:01:18.600 --> 1:01:20.760
<v Speaker 9>me too movement is that when I was on Scrubs,

1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:26.600
<v Speaker 9>there was a black writer's assistant and she actually bought

1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:29.040
<v Speaker 9>a lawsuit against the friends writers for some of the

1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:30.280
<v Speaker 9>things that they said, things that.

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<v Speaker 11>I have.

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<v Speaker 9>A famous you know, and it's it actually got rejected.

1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:37.880
<v Speaker 9>The whole thing was that, yeah, she never worked again,

1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:39.280
<v Speaker 9>she had to retire from the business.

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<v Speaker 1>They stopped hiring black women.

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<v Speaker 9>Literally, I was told to my face, thank you for

1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:46.840
<v Speaker 9>saying that, because I was told to my face by

1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:50.720
<v Speaker 9>numerous white men, wow, you're lucky you already have a job,

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<v Speaker 9>because we ain't hire no black women. After that, and then,

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<v Speaker 9>like I said, since the nineties winning one one damn show,

1:01:54.720 --> 1:01:57.000
<v Speaker 9>they literally said, oh, they can say whatever they want

1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:00.960
<v Speaker 9>to say to you. You want to misquote. But it

1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:02.440
<v Speaker 9>was some of the things that they would say in

1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:05.880
<v Speaker 9>the room. I mean, they would talk sexual stuff. And

1:02:07.000 --> 1:02:09.920
<v Speaker 9>this is not stuff that I'm I have not heard.

1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:11.880
<v Speaker 9>I've heard it over and over and I've always been

1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:14.919
<v Speaker 9>told by the white women, one, keep your mouth shut,

1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:16.960
<v Speaker 9>you know, which is what everyone does. And I've been

1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:19.280
<v Speaker 9>and especially even looking at the Me Too movement. Now

1:02:19.680 --> 1:02:21.840
<v Speaker 9>I'm rolling my eyes trac across the room because every

1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:23.640
<v Speaker 9>black woman has come out in the metwo movement. It's

1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:27.400
<v Speaker 9>like even the only one that Harvey Weinstein talked back against.

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<v Speaker 4>Was the black.

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<v Speaker 14>Wait a minute, woman, come up, decent, you go through.

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<v Speaker 9>This that if I speak up, nobody's going to have

1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:52.800
<v Speaker 9>my back, you know. So it's I always feel bad

1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:55.360
<v Speaker 9>because she was the one. If anyone was one of

1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:56.920
<v Speaker 9>the first people to speak up, it was her. And

1:02:57.040 --> 1:02:59.240
<v Speaker 9>now she had she not only they sued her for

1:02:59.280 --> 1:03:01.520
<v Speaker 9>the cost of their legal defense mother.

1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:03.720
<v Speaker 7>What she had, I want to put her on the shoulder.

1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:06.840
<v Speaker 7>And they talk about that cage all the time. It

1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:07.680
<v Speaker 7>comes up a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes up in our HR meetings to this day.

1:03:11.440 --> 1:03:15.160
<v Speaker 14>We just had a meeting, a network meeting came up there,

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<v Speaker 14>So she.

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<v Speaker 4>Came before this, the me too madness.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like late nineties or.

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<v Speaker 9>Two thousand. I didn't start out here until two thousand

1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:26.440
<v Speaker 9>and two, so I had.

1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:27.680
<v Speaker 1>To be like early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, wow, so I remember. But yes they did, Like

1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:32.000
<v Speaker 9>you said, they.

1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Said where she is or who she is or I mean,

1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I know some.

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<v Speaker 9>People who have tried to reach out to her. She

1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:40.280
<v Speaker 9>went into the military, which I would do too if

1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:42.840
<v Speaker 9>I had all these powerful men try But that's all

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<v Speaker 9>I know, And I know that some journalists have tried.

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<v Speaker 1>To reach I got her training on, she got some skills.

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<v Speaker 6>But talk about to in the room.

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<v Speaker 5>The difference between like, because you know it's jokes, right,

1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:53.680
<v Speaker 5>you can tell sexual jokes and whatnot, But when it

1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:55.720
<v Speaker 5>becomes offensive, like what would have made her be.

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<v Speaker 9>Like if you experienced some ship in the room, Yes,

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<v Speaker 9>I will say that, what makes you cross the line,

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<v Speaker 9>I will say that in these jobs. I always liking

1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:06.080
<v Speaker 9>it to going on too a construction site. I put

1:04:06.120 --> 1:04:08.200
<v Speaker 9>on a different hat, I put on protective gear when

1:04:08.200 --> 1:04:09.920
<v Speaker 9>I go in these rooms, and I give as good

1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:12.280
<v Speaker 9>as I get. But there are certain things that I've

1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:15.200
<v Speaker 9>heard in rooms that means that if you're gonna sit

1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:16.920
<v Speaker 9>there and talk about my ass, I'm gonna make up

1:04:16.920 --> 1:04:18.320
<v Speaker 9>shit about your dick, and I'm gonna sit there and

1:04:18.560 --> 1:04:19.800
<v Speaker 9>talk about your mom and your brother and all that

1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:21.320
<v Speaker 9>other shit, and I'm gonna make you crawl under the

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<v Speaker 9>motherfucking desk, like for real, Like I'm just like you know,

1:04:27.040 --> 1:04:30.760
<v Speaker 9>like I'm just you can't be, in my opinion, you

1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:34.120
<v Speaker 9>can't be like us. Literally, I'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 9>into a room and talk about one of the things

1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:38.120
<v Speaker 9>like we talk about how one of the things we

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<v Speaker 9>talked about the last og because there's a white guy there,

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<v Speaker 9>And I said, you know, white guys is so funny

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<v Speaker 9>when they try to have sex with the black women.

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<v Speaker 9>They're always trying to compete with what they think black

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<v Speaker 9>men do.

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<v Speaker 14>You know?

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<v Speaker 9>So I have I go into a half an hour

1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:49.000
<v Speaker 9>spiel about having sex with white guys. I can't put

1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:51.040
<v Speaker 9>out that much on the table and have people visualizing

1:04:51.080 --> 1:04:52.680
<v Speaker 9>my vagina and not expecting to come back with a.

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<v Speaker 1>Joke about.

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<v Speaker 9>The line to me is watching a basketball game and

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<v Speaker 9>using the end word and looking at me and expecting

1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:05.320
<v Speaker 9>a less wait wait really yeah, And then but then

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<v Speaker 9>getting into the whole thing where.

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<v Speaker 1>They felt that safe to say nigga again like it.

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<v Speaker 9>Was we heard earlier, if they felt safe enough to

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<v Speaker 9>say we're not going to hire another black woman after

1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:17.080
<v Speaker 9>this one black woman messed up? What if someone said

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<v Speaker 9>we're not hire another white man. But yes, of course, yes,

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<v Speaker 9>these are all things that you HR because HR looks

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<v Speaker 9>out for their company. HR is not going to look

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<v Speaker 9>out for H. HR ain't your friend.

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<v Speaker 11>But also, I mean the reason the other reason you

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<v Speaker 11>don't go to HR is because it'll hurt your like

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<v Speaker 11>if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to stay a writer.

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<v Speaker 11>People are going like, okay, we got to hire another room,

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<v Speaker 11>and I'm like, oh, well, that person who they hired

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<v Speaker 11>last time they went to HR based on some jokes

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<v Speaker 11>that was.

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<v Speaker 4>Made, you basically went to internal effing yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's like, why would I bring that person? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>even the black kid didn't have guns hurts you.

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<v Speaker 11>By the way, even with the me too movement, I'm

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<v Speaker 11>pretty sure, we've only seen a very small snippet of

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<v Speaker 11>people who have stories. There's a lot of women, probably

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<v Speaker 11>every woman in Hollywood has a story about some ship

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<v Speaker 11>that somebody did. But you know, again, there's a cost

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<v Speaker 11>benefit going on, people going like, eh, is it worth me?

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<v Speaker 11>It's working?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I don't want to. It's sad to say, but

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<v Speaker 9>I don't want to be the person now after I

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<v Speaker 9>see what happens to that other girl that anyone ever

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<v Speaker 9>says it, well, you know what, angel is the reason

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<v Speaker 9>they're not hiring any more black women. You know, it's sad,

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<v Speaker 9>but I don't want to be that person.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's black people. We always have to think about that.

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<v Speaker 2>We always have to think in terms of the collective,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if I do something, it ain't just me doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>I represent thirty other niggas that don't even know me,

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, that's what's fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>But every room culture is also different.

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<v Speaker 11>Like some rooms you know, and it's it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 11>absolutely sexist, it's absolutely racist. But some rooms are just

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<v Speaker 11>like hard rooms period where depending on how the showrunner

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<v Speaker 11>is Like, I've definitely been in rooms, but I've seen

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<v Speaker 11>two even white guys viciously going at each other and

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<v Speaker 11>everybody's laughing, and I'm like, yeah, that's just like going

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<v Speaker 11>at each other like personally, like get real personal, like

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<v Speaker 11>your wife shit, and like, oh that's why your wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Let you know whatever that was.

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<v Speaker 11>But like some some showrunners encourage that because they think

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<v Speaker 11>it makes the show better to have a feisty room.

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<v Speaker 11>So it actually it's like sometimes people want that thunderdome atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah true, you know really yeah, people who we worked before,

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<v Speaker 11>Like I've heard directly from some very famous producer that

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<v Speaker 11>his assistant was like, well, you know, he likes to when.

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<v Speaker 1>The writers compete a lot and they're really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cutting each other's throats. And I was like, really, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like that. It's not fun to go to work

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<v Speaker 1>every day knowing like if this person says something to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk shit about him, and it almost come

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<v Speaker 1>to blows with this person and fight this person, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a building, and I will say for them to

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<v Speaker 1>right a TV show.

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<v Speaker 13>My personal experience is that most writers rooms have a

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<v Speaker 13>have a general like you like the people that you're

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<v Speaker 13>in the room with, and it becomes like this sort

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<v Speaker 13>of weird family where like you said, all secrets kind

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<v Speaker 13>of come out on the table and you typically grow

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<v Speaker 13>pretty close. I can't speak on what it was like

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<v Speaker 13>to be in one of those all all male rooms

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<v Speaker 13>in like you know, the early nineties, where every dude,

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<v Speaker 13>every every writer was a white guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't know what that's ever been like.

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<v Speaker 4>I've never been that room.

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<v Speaker 9>It's it's amazing. Me and Tracy were talking before we

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<v Speaker 9>started recording today and we were like, it's the real world.

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<v Speaker 9>Knew that they had something. We are trapped in a

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<v Speaker 9>room with each other for sometimes twelve hours a day.

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<v Speaker 9>Sometimes we sleep overnight with each other, and unlike on

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<v Speaker 9>TV on the Real World all these shows, but we

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<v Speaker 9>are forced to talk to each other about topics that

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<v Speaker 9>we think will engage America. So it's like and we

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<v Speaker 9>are going to disagree. And if you have a good room,

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<v Speaker 9>it's very diverse and everyone has diverse opinions. So that's

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<v Speaker 9>why sometimes fists will fly, Sometimes people will say things,

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<v Speaker 9>and people will call out people's dead moms, like it

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<v Speaker 9>gets super real.

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<v Speaker 14>I had to I had to pull back one day, remember,

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<v Speaker 14>and I had to hold back.

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<v Speaker 7>I got out it was something, it was something I

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<v Speaker 7>just didn't agree with that we were doing with the

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<v Speaker 7>with our female character, and I just just like I

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<v Speaker 7>was holding it in.

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<v Speaker 14>And I think I said, y'all gonna get letters. I

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<v Speaker 14>think that's what I said.

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<v Speaker 7>I said, y'all gonna get letters, and I just got

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<v Speaker 7>up outvoted or no, no, they It was kind of

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<v Speaker 7>a misunderstanding, But I'm glad that that happened because the

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<v Speaker 7>showrunner then said, oh, did you think I meant this?

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<v Speaker 7>And then other people in the room said, well, that's

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<v Speaker 7>what I thought you mean. Yeah, so and I thought

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<v Speaker 7>nobody in the room at that moment had my back,

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<v Speaker 7>but then everybody was like, no, we were right on

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<v Speaker 7>the same page with you on that, you know, but

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<v Speaker 7>they say, you're not supposed to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>How receptive are like in the rooms?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'd imagine now being that, you know, with like

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<v Speaker 2>black Twitter, and you know how like shit it is instant,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Like, how receptive are people

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<v Speaker 2>or I guess whether it be the showrunners or the

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<v Speaker 2>producers or the higher ups whoever, how receptive are they

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<v Speaker 2>to y'all's like feedback of saying like yo, when y'all

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<v Speaker 2>do that, yeah, like you're gonna be on Boss of

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<v Speaker 2>the next morning, nigga, like, you don't want these problems?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they listen to y'all on that kind of shit?

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<v Speaker 9>It depends, I mean, so much can change by the

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<v Speaker 9>time it's on the page to the time that it's

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<v Speaker 9>on the stage, and then sometimes by the time black

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<v Speaker 9>Twitter says something, we're like, oh, they gonna hate this

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<v Speaker 9>because we already filmed it, you know.

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<v Speaker 14>So it's it depends.

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<v Speaker 7>I think sometimes if I try to fight for that

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<v Speaker 7>in the room, you know, you don't want to be

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<v Speaker 7>they called the web blanket in the room, you don't

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<v Speaker 7>want to be that person. But you know, certain things

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<v Speaker 7>like if I feel really passionate about it, sometimes what

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<v Speaker 7>I'll do is I'll just talk to that showrunner alone,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, and we'll talk alone because sometimes in the

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<v Speaker 7>room something I you know, it might pop off, So

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<v Speaker 7>I just go and say, I'll wait till I can

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<v Speaker 7>talk to him privately.

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<v Speaker 2>I would I would assume that post the Roseanne situation,

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<v Speaker 2>that most writers' room know that black Twitter or the

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<v Speaker 2>Internet social media has the power to get you canceled

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<v Speaker 2>in a milliseconds. So was it before then they were

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<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, it doesn't make it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 13>I know think I think these conversations always said. In fact,

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<v Speaker 13>I'll even say there are times with me and Basher

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<v Speaker 13>don't agree about a law and a dialogue, you know,

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<v Speaker 13>Like so I don't even think it necessarily has to

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<v Speaker 13>be a white black thing, like there can be sometimes

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<v Speaker 13>when like two black people disagree about like what's going

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<v Speaker 13>to set off black Twitter?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, I don't a white black thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I just meant the power of the instant feedback from

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<v Speaker 2>an audience.

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<v Speaker 11>That I mean, I'm gonna be an outlier here and

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<v Speaker 11>say I think people are extremely attuned to that. But

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<v Speaker 11>my personal feeling is that it's terrible to be attuned

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<v Speaker 11>to that because it's gonna stop you from taking bold strokes,

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<v Speaker 11>making bold decisions. And you also have to look at

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<v Speaker 11>the genesis and origin or something like there's something on

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<v Speaker 11>our new show that's a little bit controversial, but a

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<v Speaker 11>black writer pitched it. It was a room full of

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<v Speaker 11>black people there who laughed when he pitched it. I

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<v Speaker 11>was there, you know what I'm saying. So it's like

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<v Speaker 11>it's almost like there's a line between if it's coming

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<v Speaker 11>from us versus if it's like a white TV show

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<v Speaker 11>with a black character where it's like, well, there's no

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<v Speaker 11>agency there. But it's also a case by case, and

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<v Speaker 11>you know, I apologize for being repetitive, but I personally

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<v Speaker 11>do feel like if you live your life constantly like

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<v Speaker 11>worried about well, what's Twitter gonna think about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I don't know what kind of life you're living. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I completely agree.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm with you, because it's also times I'll see that

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<v Speaker 9>Twitter gets so excited just seeing black faces on the screen,

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<v Speaker 9>and I want to scream at Twitter there's no black

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<v Speaker 9>writers on that show, there's no black gaffers, there's not

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<v Speaker 9>even black man on the Craft Food Service.

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<v Speaker 1>Mascot for the show.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, yes, And so it's it's it's I sometimes wish

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<v Speaker 9>that and a lot of people on black Twitter perhaps

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<v Speaker 9>have their own agendas when they rail against or.

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<v Speaker 1>For a show.

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<v Speaker 9>You just got to be careful, Yes, So it's it's

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<v Speaker 9>I agree with you totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I just say also like I'm to that point.

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<v Speaker 11>Also, I myself have prejudices, Like I was talking to

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<v Speaker 11>this black woman at this event one time, and I

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<v Speaker 11>was asking what her favorite TV show was, and I

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<v Speaker 11>thought she was gonna be like, well, you know, Insecure

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<v Speaker 11>and Land and like, name all the shows that are

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<v Speaker 11>like the shows that people were talking about. She just

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<v Speaker 11>named a bunch of random shit that I didn't even

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<v Speaker 11>know was on the air. And myself was like, see,

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<v Speaker 11>that's my prejudice because I assumed because she was a

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<v Speaker 11>black woman that she's only watching TV shows with a

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<v Speaker 11>strong black female lead, and like, no she was.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like the flat well no, but see.

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<v Speaker 11>But here's why though, because when you were in these meetings,

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<v Speaker 11>when you're talking to these executives, that's all they talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you got to have this person on the show

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a black woman, so you have to have a.

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<v Speaker 5>Black you have black women in your life. Do you

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<v Speaker 5>take that into account too? It does it just become

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<v Speaker 5>so vision.

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<v Speaker 1>Not at all? Actually no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 9>What I'm saying, not at all does black women.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to shout out, shout shout out to the wife.

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<v Speaker 11>But I was just wanting to say that, I think,

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<v Speaker 11>listening to TV executives, you would think that only people

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<v Speaker 11>people only watch stuff where they themselves are greatly represented

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<v Speaker 11>on screen. And I think our feeling and what we

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<v Speaker 11>struggle with at HBO, our feeling was that no black

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<v Speaker 11>people are too diverse to be put in the box.

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<v Speaker 11>You cannot tell them what they will like and what

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<v Speaker 11>they won't like. You can't predict that. You have no

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<v Speaker 11>idea what a black audience.

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<v Speaker 5>Will which is crazy because coming from your experience, you

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<v Speaker 5>can't tell an executive like trust me, I know, I know,

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<v Speaker 5>like mad black women.

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<v Speaker 14>They're like the numbers say, those numbers are subjective, you know.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, I feel really bad that me and my mom

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<v Speaker 9>fudged that Nielsen thing. They're like, look at this thing,

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<v Speaker 9>and that's too.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang. You take a break. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured the jam was coming. I was playing a jam,

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<v Speaker 2>but then I thought you were a thought. Oh no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 4>I hate to be the bear of bad news. But

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<v Speaker 4>that is all for Quest Love Supreme this week.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't worry.

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<v Speaker 4>Tune in next week. You're gonna hear how this.

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<v Speaker 1>Conversation is all right, Okay, we will see your next

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