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Speaker 2: Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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Speaker 2: was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 1: Yo, Yo, what up?

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Speaker 2: This is Fante Antigolo and I'm here with this week's

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Speaker 2: QLs classic.

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Speaker 1: This week we go.

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Speaker 2: Back to February seven, twenty nineteen with our Black TV

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Speaker 2: Writers Roundtable, Part one.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we break down the state of black.

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Speaker 2: Hollywood with claimed writers and very good friends of mine

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Speaker 2: Tracy Ashley Diallo Riddle with Sheer Saladin and Angela Nissel.

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Speaker 2: They all get real with our team Supreme on part

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Speaker 2: one of this two part Black TV Writers Roundtable, and

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Speaker 2: it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: So check it out. QS.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Supreme, Subpremo, roll Supremo, Suck Subremore, roll Call, Supremo,

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Speaker 3: upbrame a roll call Subbrame, So Supremo, roll.

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Speaker 4: Call, a writer Symposium, Yeah, quest love You Hurt?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, strapped in a room. Yeah with nine nerds.

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Speaker 3: Supremo, Shun Subremo, roll Call, Suprema, Suck something Supremo roll Call.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Fante. Yeah, I ain't no phony. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just here to help Angie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, pay her Aliphony.

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Speaker 3: Supremo, rod Subreva, Supremo road call.

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Speaker 4: It was younger, yeah, like it was born.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to watch on TV. Yeah, scrambled born.

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Speaker 3: Suprema Son Sun Supremo roll call, Subreema Son Supremo road.

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Speaker 1: Call, Shear and dialla. Yeah, man, I almost forgot you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh now I remember, Yeah, I forgot you.

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Speaker 3: Suprema Son Suppremo roll call, Suprema Something.

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Speaker 1: Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 5: It's like em yeah, and I'm here to impress. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: all these folks in here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my writing prowess.

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Speaker 3: Suprema Son Son Supremo role called Suprema Son Supremo role came.

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Speaker 7: My name is Tracy. Yeah, you can call me Trey. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I worked all day, Yeah, so I can my pay.

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Speaker 3: Rolling Supremo role Suprema Son Son Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 1: My name is by Shia. Yeah, and I was late.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of black people here. Yeah, so ship

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Speaker 1: is great.

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Speaker 3: Supremo Sun Supremo role called Suprema Son Sun Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 1: Her name Vallo. Yeah, and here we are. Yeah, hold

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Speaker 1: up in such a sound in my shiny new car.

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Speaker 3: Roll call Suprema Sun Supremo roll call, Suprema Son Sun

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Speaker 3: Supremo roll call my name is and yeah.

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Speaker 9: I'm happy to be here. Yeah if I say some

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Speaker 9: dumb ship, yeah, blame by ship, roll.

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Speaker 10: Up Bremau, su Supremo, roll s Subpremo, roll call Suprema.

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Speaker 10: So some Supremo, roll call Suprema.

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Speaker 1: Some sure roll.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. This is a special Black Hollywood Symposium.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Love Supreme. Shout out to Barney Miller. The

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Speaker 2: Last Common Standing, The One of the Sight's Hilarious, The

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Speaker 2: Neighborhood with Sutric the Entertainer, The Last Og, It's Tracy.

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Speaker 1: Ashley, Hey, wait til News.

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Speaker 2: Late Night with Jimmy Fallon, Please come Back, Maya, Marty Side,

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Speaker 2: Marlon Rise, The Last O, g It's Theyallo Riddle, whoa

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Speaker 2: Shot from Glow Superstore, Gringo, Girby Enthusiasm, Snatch, The Tonight Show,

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Speaker 2: and Late Night with Jimmy Fallon, The Mindy Project, Bones

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Speaker 2: Gray's Anatomy of Russ's development, so much more, and Yes,

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Speaker 2: the Last Og.

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Speaker 1: We have ran out the theme. I'll do it again.

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Speaker 7: We have.

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Speaker 1: Salad Salad.

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Speaker 11: I've known I just want to say, I've known a

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Speaker 11: quest love for like twenty years and he still can't

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Speaker 11: say my last I can't I can't.

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Speaker 1: Say most words anyway. Words yeah, and and ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Finally from ok player.

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Speaker 8: Now y'all, from the Boom Docks, from Scrubs, from till Death,

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Speaker 8: from Tallics Creators, the Jellies, and the last o g

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Speaker 8: give it up for the one and only angela Mistle.

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Speaker 2: You know stress At the time when when I okay,

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Speaker 2: when I when I requested this show, I thought it

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Speaker 1: Uh hell, A special edition of Quest brings.

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Speaker 12: You know, like the Meredith Baxter Bernie Yeah, yeah, the

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Speaker 12: different Strokes, Dudley, Budley goes to the bike store with

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Speaker 1: Instead.

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Speaker 13: I see the alcohol here, so I realized this, Well,

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Speaker 13: we're shout out the sunset sound.

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Speaker 4: We're in the famous studio three Yes with Prince and you.

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Speaker 2: Know all this classic albums from eighty two to eighty

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Speaker 2: seven also led Zeppelin.

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Speaker 4: The Doors Doors recorded the Doors here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Doobie.

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Speaker 2: Brothers also recorded here, and so many others. Total, Oh, totals,

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Speaker 2: the Jacks, imagine dragons.

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Speaker 1: What you said total? Total? All right? You said total, right,

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Speaker 1: not total, You're not total. Hold on now, but where

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Speaker 1: did Total. What did Total records?

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Speaker 13: Let's do the next podcast there, Total Record.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I be like they recorded kissing you, right, you.

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Speaker 4: Be very happy about that? I mean not so much anyhow.

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Speaker 4: Now I like Total. I love Total.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're not talking about the serial read the book.

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Speaker 2: I actually always talking about the seriales. I'm only doing

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Speaker 2: that because I know that you guys.

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Speaker 14: Girl crushed on my first I'm sorry, what should talk about?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 4: S w V's first name was t l C. Seriously,

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Speaker 4: how do you know that?

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Speaker 2: I do a lot of random facts. Nine nerds in

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Speaker 2: So why did we all.

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Speaker 4: Gather here today?

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Speaker 9: Free wine?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Who's paying for this one?

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Speaker 6: Actually?

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Speaker 5: Shout out to y'all. I mean, he got it from

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Speaker 5: somewhere for free, but we appreciate that he gave it

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Speaker 5: to us. He could have gave it to anybody, but.

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Speaker 6: He gave it to us.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to the flood. Game in a box and

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Speaker 1: it's really delicious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all the box of wine. The box of wine.

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Speaker 2: So damn, I'm about to bring the mood down. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about the state of black Hollywood and writers

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Speaker 2: need more wine.

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Speaker 6: Hold up, hello, Tracy, that bottle of wine.

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Speaker 14: Give me to just get the bottle of Hollywood.

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Speaker 9: Take the whole wine and take black Woman ran a

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Speaker 9: Network half time.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, since the four of you, since the four

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Speaker 1: Good show.

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Speaker 2: By the way, y'all, that's crazy all of us, all

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Speaker 2: of you have watched what what was everyone's specific uh role?

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Speaker 4: Or what role did you play? And you can go

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Speaker 4: around the room and in that show, since you.

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Speaker 5: All have that in common, from who got the first one?

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Speaker 5: Who got the call first? Who was the first first?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, season one, we were consulting producers on the show,

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Speaker 4: Peel explained, what consulting producers are?

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Speaker 11: You know, it's really just like home Boy. Okay, I'll

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Speaker 11: be honest, it's a little it's a little arbitrary. The

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Speaker 11: titles are sometimes kind of conferred based on the level

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Speaker 11: want to pay you. Uh so, But really we kind

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Speaker 11: of all do the same thing. We go in, we

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Speaker 11: all talk about it. We all try to figure out

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Speaker 11: how to make a show better. It's not really an

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Speaker 4: Sometimes consulting producers. They only come in a couple of

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Speaker 1: But we didn't have that. We didn't have that every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had to come in every kind of like

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Speaker 2: Will Smith's West Philly homeboy consultant that was always credited

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Speaker 1: There by the way, I met Harry Smith last night.

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Speaker 13: So shout out to mister Harry Smith from No Will

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Speaker 13: Smith's brothers.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Harry as an Ellen and Harry.

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Speaker 9: I'm enjoying the show already. I would like to say

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Speaker 9: that I'm co executive producer on the last so do

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Speaker 9: so for the first time, I found out that I

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Speaker 9: got paid more than men.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, five thousand books, shouts out to them. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I know that there's a major difference, will be a

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Speaker 2: major difference in season two than season one. Can you

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Speaker 4: Well, take us take us through the process of how

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Speaker 9: WHOA, I mean, it's what basically happened is I know

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Speaker 9: that in season one there's almost there's only two people

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Speaker 9: left over. Tracey. You can help me because Tracy actually

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Speaker 9: opens up for Tracy Morgan on the Roads yeah, so

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Speaker 14: Sure, sure.

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Speaker 7: The only thing I can I wasn't in the room,

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Speaker 7: poor to it. But when Yeah, there's only two other

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Speaker 4: Yeah, overall the entire writer's room. Excuse me, Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: Much by the way.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I would say, wouldn't Tracy, Tracy and Jordan.

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Speaker 7: Bron Yeah, there's definitely more brown. Yeah, completely changed.

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Speaker 4: Well, when Sheer and I arrived, like MS Kirkpatrick was

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Speaker 9: Yeah there, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was a very different kind of room.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and and no no offense to anybody was in

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Speaker 11: That worked with a lot of hours, what he's trying

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Speaker 2: Do you think that it was just assumed that because

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Speaker 2: Tracy came from thirty Rock, where you know, the element

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Speaker 2: of Tracy Morgan was allowed to be shown in that

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Speaker 2: particular way. Well, I also know that uh uh, Donald

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Speaker 2: Glover wrote all of his dialogue for that show, but.

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Speaker 4: That it was okay in their eyes to a lot.

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Speaker 9: Of sigh.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I didn't I learned. That's that's new information.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't you didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: You didn't know that Tina Fey hired Donald Glover specifically

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Speaker 2: to write all of Tracy Morgan's dialogue.

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Speaker 11: TV shows are really I'll put it this way. In

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Speaker 11: all the Rise of Her can agree, it's really mysterious.

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Speaker 11: So like even when somebody wins in the war and

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, you will learn. So there is nothing that

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Speaker 7: She felt so bad about the blo I felt bad,

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Speaker 14: Lots of therapy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Without without uh.

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Speaker 4: Uh opening up any Pandora's boxes?

442
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Speaker 1: For years?

443
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Speaker 4: Your jobs?

444
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Speaker 1: No barrel of crackers?

445
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Speaker 4: Was the was the was the exodus of the initial

446
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Speaker 4: writers of season one?

447
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Speaker 1: Did they?

448
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Speaker 4: Were they okay with?

449
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Speaker 1: Not?

450
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Speaker 4: No one's okay with getting fired?

451
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Speaker 14: But aren't they white?

452
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Speaker 6: They got jobs now?

453
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Speaker 1: Right? I don't.

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Speaker 14: I really don't know any of the ones that I

455
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Speaker 14: don't know them. No.

456
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Speaker 13: I think in our case, like we we always knew

457
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Speaker 13: that we wanted to come on for one season, but

458
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Speaker 13: we had another show. We had a show a Comedy

459
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Speaker 13: Central that was, you know, something that we had created.

460
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Speaker 1: South Side.

461
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Speaker 13: The south Side just got back from Chicago, by the way,

462
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Speaker 13: like two weeks ago, three weeks ago. So for us,

463
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Speaker 13: it was more of a timing thing. We couldn't do

464
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Speaker 13: season two of last Og and do our own show.

465
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Speaker 13: So we actually went to Jordan we were like, look,

466
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Speaker 13: we got a Comedy Central show. He's like, I know

467
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Speaker 13: what that's about.

468
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Speaker 1: Go go forth.

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Speaker 2: Well, I meant more from the standpoint of maybe the

470
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Speaker 2: white writers that were replaced with more black writers.

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Speaker 13: Look, I think that with that show I don't know

472
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Speaker 13: who listens to the podcast. Maybe maybe they do. I

473
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Speaker 13: think it's to say, you know, I'm saying these particular writers,

474
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Speaker 13: I think it's safe to say that at some point

475
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Speaker 13: somebody pulled them aside and was like, look, you know,

476
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Speaker 13: Tracy doesn't necessarily feel like you have the voice of

477
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Speaker 13: the show.

478
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Speaker 1: You no. Also, most TVs, we're gonna find somebody else.

479
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Speaker 11: You know, this hapn't found Every TV show the first

480
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Speaker 11: couple of years is figuring out who actually belongs on

481
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Speaker 11: the staff, like The Simpsons, you know, my favorite show,

482
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Speaker 11: seasons three through eight.

483
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a reason that season three through eight

484
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Speaker 1: are the seasons.

485
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Speaker 11: That I always say the best seasons because those first

486
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Speaker 11: they were like figuring out like oh, and then you know,

487
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Speaker 11: Conan shows up, and then some other you know, Al

488
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Speaker 11: Jean shows up, and then they figure out like, all right,

489
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Speaker 11: these are the voice we're really gonna take us to

490
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Speaker 11: an oakleyand Weinstein show up.

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Speaker 2: You know, I watched like the first season of the

492
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Speaker 2: Last though g and I even told Angie, like I

493
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Speaker 2: thought it was. I liked the show, but to me,

494
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Speaker 2: it just didn't seem to have a tone like it

495
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Speaker 2: would have like these really supposedly comic moments and then

496
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Speaker 2: like these really dark That.

497
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Speaker 1: Part was intentional.

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Speaker 13: And let me just say this because you know we

499
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Speaker 13: in one of our conversations with Tracy I'll never forget

500
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Speaker 13: he said, like the one thing that he liked about Donald,

501
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Speaker 13: he actually did say, like, you know, Donald used to

502
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Speaker 13: write for me, and now he's got his show that

503
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Speaker 13: I feel like is poignant but funny and does this thing.

504
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Speaker 13: And he was like, I want this show to be

505
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Speaker 13: you laugh in one minute, you cry in the next.

506
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Speaker 13: So that was that was that was that was, that

507
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Speaker 13: was by design.

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Speaker 9: I will also say about white writers that are writing

509
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Speaker 9: for black shows. It's all it's amazing to me how

510
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Speaker 9: all the white shows I've been on, most of the time,

511
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Speaker 9: I've been the only black writer. But whenever on a

512
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Speaker 9: black show, there's always a ton of white writers. But

513
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Speaker 9: I will say that a lot of times when white

514
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Speaker 9: writers come into a black room, it's a shock for

515
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Speaker 9: them that every they don't know everything about the culture.

516
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Speaker 9: If literally, if you have to, if you're writing about

517
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Speaker 9: black people in Brooklyn, don't assume that it's going to

518
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Speaker 9: be like writing for Maud or whatever the hell used

519
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Speaker 9: to write. You know, like study, study up on that. Like,

520
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Speaker 9: if you were writing a doctor's thing, go talk to

521
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Speaker 9: some doctors. But I'm amazed at how many white writers

522
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Speaker 9: do come into a room and it's like, I don't

523
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Speaker 9: have any friends, but I'm here, you know.

524
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Speaker 13: So that's I mean, you said that was John Ames's

525
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 13: thing back in the seventies, right, Like he was just like,

526
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Speaker 13: I can't believe there is the writer's room on my show,

527
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Speaker 13: but I'm gonna push back as much as possible.

528
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Speaker 1: They killed him. Yeah, whatever he left, I forget. That

529
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Speaker 1: was that's the roll show. I mean, really, she was real.

530
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Speaker 1: He was like, let's talk about that after this. She

531
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Speaker 1: was the one who decided I'm divided by chapters and yeah,

532
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Speaker 1: that's the moth and nothing. We decided with all the lyrics, are.

533
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Speaker 4: Making a way when you can. That's the chow Line songs,

534
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Speaker 4: the chow line.

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Speaker 1: Easy credit for bums. Wait, who wrote this is Quincy Jones? Stretching?

536
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Speaker 1: Hanging in the chow line?

537
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Speaker 9: Job hanging.

538
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Speaker 2: And who I think it's standing in the challenge, hanging.

539
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Speaker 1: In the child line? Shout out Chapelle? What the did

540
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Speaker 1: the child line look like in the seventies?

541
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Speaker 4: Super line?

542
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Speaker 1: Who wrote.

543
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: Jim gilstrap and Benkie Williams gilstrap.

544
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Speaker 1: What else they write that we would like? He played

545
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Speaker 1: guitar on Jim he's a guitar player.

546
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Speaker 2: You know what, what a great I think that's him

547
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Speaker 2: singing the first verse of you at sun Shine in

548
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Speaker 2: my life.

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Speaker 1: It is Yes away, what a great gig. That theme song.

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Speaker 1: They probably have mansions on top of boats, on top.

551
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Speaker 9: Of man what they're doing now, because we ain't gotten.

552
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Speaker 1: They have mansions on top of boats.

553
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Speaker 9: They have whose dream was to write theme song and

554
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Speaker 9: they grew up and.

555
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Speaker 1: Now that's over. Why don't we have advertising to watch

556
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: this today? I watched a lot of Cheers.

557
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Speaker 11: It's on Netflix, and it's funny because I remember when

558
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 11: this happened in real life and then on Netflix. It's

559
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Speaker 11: funny to see that show had like a minute and

560
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 11: a half damn theme song, and then halfway they were like,

561
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Speaker 11: you know what, this is too much time to be wasting,

562
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Speaker 11: and then it came all the way down they cut

563
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Speaker 11: the whole middle out. It's just it's really about space

564
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Speaker 11: and content. You're fighting against commercials and you're fighting against

565
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Speaker 11: a B storyline, which you really need to give the

566
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 11: A storyline air, so you just there's just no room

567
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 11: and so to be like and then we're gonna lose

568
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 11: more space a minute and a half to some singing

569
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Speaker 11: that has nothing to do with the plot.

570
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Speaker 1: I mean, I missed the outro theme. Thing used to

571
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Speaker 1: have like.

572
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Speaker 9: That happened, that's that happened to us on Scrubs. Used

573
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Speaker 9: to say it started off we had a whole song

574
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Speaker 9: like I'm no Superman and by the seventh sees don't

575
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Speaker 9: just man.

576
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Speaker 5: I asked a question, is what was do y'all to

577
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Speaker 5: your recollection? What was the first sitcom that caught you.

578
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Speaker 1: Family chice? What for me? Yeah?

579
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Speaker 4: In fact, I started wearing a tie and carrying a

580
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Speaker 4: briefcase to school.

581
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it kept me on the stat and narrow. My

583
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Speaker 4: favorite episode was My Name is Alex P. Keaton?

584
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Speaker 13: Yeah, does a thirty minute speech he went to therapy.

585
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 13: By the way, has not aged well?

586
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Speaker 1: Really? Yeah? I read.

587
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Speaker 13: I read a whole post about and they like posted

588
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 13: some clips like it's it's super self serious.

589
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was good, but it's.

590
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Speaker 6: Well, okay, can I get my answer all my questions?

591
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: Hold on?

592
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Speaker 6: I want because I know the answered. But by she here, Tracy,

593
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Speaker 6: you said the.

594
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Speaker 1: First show that caught you do you mind? Fact? What

595
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Speaker 1: do you mean by that?

596
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Speaker 14: As a kid?

597
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Speaker 5: To your recollection, what was the first sitcom that you

598
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 5: were like? You said, you laugh, You was like, this

599
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 5: is the ship, this is the bomb, this is bomping.

600
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Speaker 1: Probably well, I think probably the Cosby Show.

601
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Speaker 11: Actually the only thing about that show is I used

602
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Speaker 11: to did not I did not like that show growing

603
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Speaker 11: up because my family was not like that, and I

604
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 11: felt very much cheated.

605
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Speaker 1: I was like, what they like the Southside Chicago? Uh.

606
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Speaker 11: But I recognized even when I would laugh in spite

607
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Speaker 11: of myself, so I recognize how great it was. But

608
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Speaker 11: I was also like, this is the lawyer in the

609
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 11: house where that happened, crack heads outside.

610
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Speaker 1: This is wonderful Brooklyn and they've been really I didn't

611
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Speaker 1: know Brooklyn had parts like that.

612
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Speaker 14: Say mine was a good definitely good time. I love

613
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Speaker 14: good times.

614
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Speaker 4: That was the show.

615
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Speaker 7: I remember thinking, God, they every episode they got to

616
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Speaker 7: get they got to get rent.

617
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Speaker 9: Every episode.

618
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Speaker 4: That writers had to be great.

619
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Speaker 7: It's so funny they had to do every episode they

620
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Speaker 7: needed to pay rent and what they do.

621
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Speaker 14: A talent show always has talent show. You know a

622
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Speaker 14: lot of them.

623
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Speaker 4: You and I know that was at the wedding when

624
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Speaker 4: you're young and in love.

625
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Speaker 1: I didn't.

626
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Speaker 11: I was watching that show recently because it's on me TV,

627
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Speaker 11: which I watched when I go to my mom's house

628
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Speaker 11: and me.

629
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Speaker 13: TV is like, it's called memorable entertainment television. That was

630
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Speaker 13: really excuse the shows shows from the seventies.

631
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Speaker 11: I just want to say that I didn't realize how

632
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Speaker 11: much because it was every single episode they have like

633
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Speaker 11: a terrible crisis that they every that's lose kids.

634
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Speaker 1: Falling down there. He's getting burnt over. You know that.

635
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Speaker 13: You know that The Cosby Show got rejected a bunch

636
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Speaker 13: of different places because he would not Every network was like,

637
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 13: but you got to put him in the get on.

638
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 13: He's like, no, my black family is going to be

639
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 13: in a very wealthy They were all like, we'll just

640
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 13: do it in Harlem.

641
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Speaker 4: He's like, no, we're going to do Brooklyn like him

642
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Speaker 4: make School.

643
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 14: I did not know women.

644
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Speaker 4: So eventually he drug Brandon Tartakoff. I've I fell off

645
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 4: the bandwagon.

646
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Speaker 2: Watched my first Cosby episode day before yesterday.

647
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Speaker 1: We watched and I got a little this great. I

648
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: never stopped watching. I was protesting.

649
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Speaker 4: I just didn't know that it was on TV one

650
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Speaker 4: on TV one and it was coming on Bounce.

651
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Speaker 1: I think. I think so the syndication never act stopped,

652
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Speaker 1: did it? But it's not on iTunes anymore. There's supposed to.

653
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Speaker 13: Be runs off Black television all the streaming that I

654
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Speaker 13: can't get on iTunes.

655
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Speaker 9: Anymore on Netflix. What are you gonna say, Man, nobody

656
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 9: gave a shout out to What's happening? I'm only going

657
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 9: to want to be that was your ship. Yeah, well

658
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 9: besides watching the Jefferson being like these kids ain't mixed,

659
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Speaker 9: that's hilarious.

660
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Speaker 4: Still has a big problem that casting that they still

661
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Speaker 4: they still can't do it right. And we have Michael

662
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Speaker 4: McDonald on the show and he was breaking down the

663
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Speaker 4: Doobie brother.

664
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Speaker 2: Classiclastic yes of what that was happening the ball.

665
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Speaker 1: Like, man, yeah, I love that. That's when of the

666
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Speaker 1: the Dowie Brothers had like the Cafe or whatever right perform.

667
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: Yeah that episode, Yeah, that was that was the one

668
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Speaker 1: for me.

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Speaker 7: I feel like back then we gave permission to for

670
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Speaker 7: things that just didn't when you think about it, when

671
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 7: when rerun dropped the recorder auditorium, it was literally like

672
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Speaker 7: right in.

673
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Speaker 1: Front like a whole auditorium criminal leans, right, And.

674
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Speaker 9: We always talk That's another thing we do in writers,

675
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 9: and we always talk about how easy it must have

676
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 9: been back in the day. Just be like, all right,

677
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 9: we just want to get some people stranded on an island,

678
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 9: can't That.

679
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: Was supposed to be a one season show, know that,

680
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 4: and it was too bigg a hit.

681
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 11: We talk about how much money people used to making

682
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 11: ride around So you know, everybody I know nowadays has

683
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 11: fifteen jobs.

684
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: If you have any kind of.

685
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 4: Show, season five will have an apartment.

686
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: Like the money is not. If you're a writer on

687
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: Cheers for like four seasons, you are ever So it's

688
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: the goal. You don't need money.

689
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 9: Got to get to her call girl appointment after this.

690
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 14: Bitch, the one.

691
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Speaker 1: This would be easy, that's convenient. The reason I was

692
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: late when it God damn. Can I ask the profession

693
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: that the four of you are in.

694
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: Is there an instant pressure to always come up with

695
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: a line, like when you're when you're dealing I'm treating

696
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: this like porno, Like when when you're dealing with civilians,

697
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 2: like just regular people that don't work on your show,

698
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: do you have to hold yourself back from always saying

699
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: the joke and like and just always.

700
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Speaker 4: But that's the thing as long I've.

701
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: Known as for so long, and you always you always

702
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: have the punchline like ready and.

703
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 9: It's I wasted so many.

704
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 4: No, but I meant, like, in your can you ever

705
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 4: just relax and not go for the punchline?

706
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Speaker 9: Catch at hour twelve? In the writers?

707
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean even I found like that writer, I

708
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 11: wouldn't describe it as like a happy room with like

709
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 11: joyfulness and well no, no, no, the punchline as in.

710
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Speaker 4: You're always humorous. Because I visited uh ah man uh

711
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 4: men men Chuck Laurn.

712
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: So I visited the set of two and a half Men,

713
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: and it was during a break, and I saw something

714
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: that just blew my mind. Like I guess the director

715
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: stood in the center and then all his riders was

716
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: in a circle and he's like, all right, I need

717
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: someone to go.

718
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 14: That's what we go, that's that's not go go. That

719
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Speaker 14: was Tuesday night for me this past Tuesday.

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Speaker 13: And by the way, that definitely happens more multi Like

721
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 13: on I was on Marlin. Whenever we would call break,

722
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 13: Marlon would like sit somewhere on set and then like

723
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 13: all these all these people who weren't even I mean

724
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Speaker 13: like some of them are writers and some of them were.

725
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Just ways.

726
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: Around him, and then he come out with like twenty

727
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 4: new jokes.

728
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Speaker 1: That happens on single cameras too.

729
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 11: I mean, I've never been on a single camera where

730
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Speaker 11: you weren't shooting a scene and then they were like,

731
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Speaker 11: all right, we can we do some different jokes in

732
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 11: the scene.

733
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Speaker 2: But is there a pressure because just the way that

734
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Speaker 2: the director was treating them, it's like if you came

735
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Speaker 2: to the no, yeah really really no.

736
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 9: Oh yeah.

737
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 13: And by the way, some writers really perform in those environments,

738
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 13: Like some people you're like, oh, that dude is a killer,

739
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 13: you know. Oh, she's always got she's always got a

740
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 13: punch line ready to go, like a good one.

741
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that.

742
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 7: That Actually that that actually gets me going because it's

743
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 7: where that happened Tuesday night. That happens every Tuesday night

744
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 7: when we tape. You gotta be ready and a line

745
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 7: that we thought when the room was gonna hit didn't hit.

746
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 7: The show runners turning around, Okay, be thinking about this line,

747
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 7: and all of us are thinking, and you.

748
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 11: Should be thinking about that when you're watching it, the writers,

749
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 11: you should be watching that, we definitely want to punch

750
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 11: up these five lines before he comes over here or

751
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Speaker 11: she comes over here.

752
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 4: Now, do you sometimes question.

753
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: The intelligence of the target audience of the show, In

754
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: other words, the writers you guys might be Harvard material.

755
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 13: I think that's I think that's a terrible excuse, Like

756
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 13: if you're like, oh, well, they're just not smart enough

757
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 13: to get it. I've heard that said. I heard it

758
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 13: said a lot on certain TV shows, but but it's

759
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 13: never the truth.

760
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: Not having to me like not having faith in the

761
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: audience is not having faith in the art, Like it's

762
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: it's insecurity.

763
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: Like if you if you can be funny, then motherfuckers

764
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: get it.

765
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, but then you see the Nielsen ratings come back,

766
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 9: and then the network people don't understand it. Sometimes what

767
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 9: we write will want it to be a certain will

768
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 9: write a certain thing, and then by the time it

769
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 9: goes through a studio a network, and then they'll say,

770
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 9: we can't say that because we have advertisers that you know,

771
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 9: it'll come out and it'll be five times watered down.

772
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Speaker 1: So even okay, you bought that up. Who has a

773
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: Nielsen box? I've never in all my life, I don't

774
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: know nobody never got not a Nielsen box. We used

775
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: to have to do the journals and stuff.

776
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 14: Knew somebody always.

777
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 9: My mom made us write down every black TV show.

778
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 9: But the whole thing is we send it didn't count.

779
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Speaker 1: That's my mama was great.

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Speaker 9: Guy Like two two seven.

781
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: Even if you didn't watch I was always lying on

782
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Speaker 2: my because you know, I couldn't write down that I

783
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: was watching Real Sex at ten o'clock on front scrambled

784
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: like real Sex has a zero point one again Niels

785
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Speaker 2: used now or yeah, everything is used?

786
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Speaker 4: Have they come Have they figured out a way to

787
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: figure in?

788
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 8: Is?

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00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 13: Yeah, they have to have Live Plus. They have Live

790
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 13: Live plus three, Live plus five and then Live Plus.

791
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 13: That's the number of days it took for people to

792
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Speaker 13: watch it when it was sitting on their on their

793
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 13: t VR. Oh wow, it's built into our cable. Yeah,

794
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 13: but they don't measure after Live plus seven. Interestingly enough,

795
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 13: because advertisers don't care if you're watching it twelve days later,

796
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 13: like they want you to go see, you know, rampage

797
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 13: this week at the you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: So I was at a meeting for I found out

799
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 7: that they're even Nelson ratings are also using like Instagram

800
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Speaker 7: like they're.

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Speaker 14: The streaming they said that just started last year.

802
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Speaker 11: Well, engagement is another way they measure like there are

803
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 11: TV shows that get terrible ratings, but they are in

804
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 11: season six because they're always being written about and they

805
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 11: have a huge people online ride or die for them

806
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 11: online and people like, we tweet about it crazy, they

807
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 11: want to talk about it. So you're like this other

808
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 11: show that I like has way more ratings, but it's

809
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 11: going away because people aren't talking about it.

810
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 9: And no wonder why they had seven characters killed off

811
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 9: of that show so they could keep affording.

812
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: The budget since they're not getting rating.

813
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 9: Then people be like, damn it, you ruined my show.

814
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 9: Well we had to keep you know, the budget down.

815
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Speaker 5: Do you guys feel the pressure to keep like a

816
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 5: social media situation and be present?

817
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't, but yeah, you like your life goes? You

818
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: have no you don't got no instagra. I don't fuck

819
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: with social media.

820
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Speaker 6: Damn how you doing it?

821
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: I want that?

822
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: Yes, you never had a Twitter.

823
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Speaker 1: I used to have everything. I just got rid of

824
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: it all. I had everything. What made you?

825
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 11: I'll be honest. I heard I heard Kendrick Lamar talking

826
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 11: on the radio. Okay, and when he's when is uh uh?

827
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Speaker 11: What's the one that came out before? The one right

828
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Speaker 11: before that Good Kid, Mad City, Good Kids, Good Caid

829
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Speaker 11: mass City came out. He was on the radio and

830
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Speaker 11: he was just talking about how like he had this

831
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Speaker 11: epiphany that like he's like, every minute that I'm like

832
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 11: on social media, it is a minute that I'm not

833
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 11: working on my art, and he's like, I.

834
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Speaker 1: Gotta stop doing that. And I thought to myself because

835
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't where I wanted to be in my wife

836
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Speaker 1: at the time, and I was like, this young man

837
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Speaker 1: is on something. Now.

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Speaker 4: I will say with a year from now and see

839
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 4: if he's still no social media. How did you two meet?

840
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 4: Because you're kind of like Ernie and Bert in my head?

841
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate Ernie.

842
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 6: What school did you guys go to Harvard?

843
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: You're not Ernie? We met?

844
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Speaker 4: I do you love pigeons? I feel like your birth.

845
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Speaker 13: I have a I have a sixteen month year old now,

846
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 13: so I watch a lot more Sesame Street than I

847
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 13: used to, and I'm like, oh so John Legend singing

848
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 13: with the Muppins, Now, this is all right, this is okay.

849
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Speaker 13: And we met anapella a cappella group called called Brothers.

850
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 13: That was the best name on the planet, the best

851
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 13: name of the smart black kids at hard we could

852
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 13: come up with. And we all and we all wore

853
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 13: maroon vests and we sang like boys to men.

854
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: It was a disaster Brothers. No, no, it was like

855
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: it was like eleven but no, no, no, there was

856
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: a core five. Here's the thing. We were like, we

857
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: were like wu tang.

858
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 11: Here's why he's saying that, because there was like eleven members,

859
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 11: but like only five would show up to the gigs.

860
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Because you guys here again, damn anybody give a about

861
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: Brothers tonight?

862
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 11: All right, man, you gotta sing sing man o man

863
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 11: for the fucking Bayfish Company.

864
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Speaker 6: Englishman by the impressions, what English majors?

865
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Speaker 1: Or he was pre mad? I was pretty mad. I was,

866
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Speaker 1: And I went to Harvard, so my parents wasn't trying

867
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: to from the hood. I went to Harvard.

868
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 11: My parents weren't trying to hear me be like I'm

869
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 11: an actor, So I had to pretend I was pre

870
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 11: mad for like I was.

871
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: I was.

872
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 4: I was an econ major, you know, I thought I

873
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: was going to Wall Street and uh, you know, and.

874
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: Both y'all graduated, Yeah, graduated and to people were like, hey, man,

875
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: you a darv oh man, you gotta be a millionaire.

876
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: And it's like, hey, getting there man.

877
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 11: People are like, all right, but can I say something

878
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 11: really that my personal personal opinion is if you're an artist,

879
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 11: I really feel like college is like might be a

880
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 11: terrible decision. I know a lot of people I won't

881
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 11: name them at Harvard who I think would be really

882
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 11: big right now in society as artists. But they they

883
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 11: just they just decided to go to class instead of

884
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 11: saying fun that let me go get this hustle.

885
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 14: I just.

886
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Speaker 1: I don't want to.

887
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 14: It's a lot of people like college, please, motherfucker seriously.

888
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: That's my two cents. I mean people different people differently.

889
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: About you're a musician, What the fuck are you doing

890
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: in college?

891
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't want What about?

892
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 6: I don't want my oldest your money?

893
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 5: College?

894
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. They don't actually teach that at Counting.

895
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: They don't teach a county.

896
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 14: Yes, but you need a backup, you need what.

897
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 7: What my mama told me was I always wanted to

898
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 7: be a comedian. She said, baby, you need to go

899
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 7: to school, you know, to go to college and I'm

900
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 7: from the South. So I went to a community college

901
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 7: for two years, Miami Dad Community College. And then if

902
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 7: I grew up in Miami Opaca in the hood in

903
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 7: a way, So yeah, I went to Miami Dad for

904
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 7: two years and then I was on the speech and

905
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 7: debate team. And that's how I knew I would get

906
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 7: out of Miami. I wanted out of Miami back then.

907
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 7: It was so bad back then, and so I got

908
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 7: a scholarship to a college in Ohio. Never been to

909
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 7: the Midwest, Heidelberg University.

910
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 14: I was going to go there.

911
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 7: I was going to go there, but the speech coach

912
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 7: he was at Eastern Michigan University. So I went and

913
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 7: got in there and then he quit and he said,

914
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 7: if you come with me, I'll get you a full ride.

915
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 7: So I went with him, and I got a full ride.

916
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 9: I'm with you the way you said, because one of

917
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 9: the things that I think about all the time, we

918
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 9: talk about the pressure you could get fired from a

919
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 9: writing job at any time. I've gone years without work,

920
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 9: and I'm like, I went to University of Pennsylvania, I

921
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 9: have a medical anthropology.

922
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 6: I don't know how to do shit.

923
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it.

924
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 9: Literally I'm like, I don't know how I can't even

925
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 9: do my own taxes at this point, I don't know.

926
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying, We don't. We didn't learn.

927
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 9: I didn't learn anything.

928
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 11: You know what eye opening is to that point is

929
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 11: the number of people who I went to college with

930
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 11: to this day who will be liked. I'll probably gets

931
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 11: more than I do, because he's more engaged, like reaching

932
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 11: out and being Hey man, that right ship seems to

933
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 11: be going well. So how does one get into that.

934
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 11: I'm like that you went to You did recruiting when

935
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 11: you was twenty five. When I came to La and starved,

936
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 11: you was recruiting and you had a job at Goldman.

937
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 11: So I'm gonna tell you at this point go back

938
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 11: in time to work twenty twenty years.

939
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break.

940
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 6: Shout out the rest the piece of Alan.

941
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: How I'm thinking right this right this strokes man, I'm

942
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: looking it up money and Jeanette the Bla look it up.

943
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but who wrote this one? Range Waters?

944
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: That's her singing. That's her singing.

945
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 4: But it's okay, Jennett Dubu and Jeff Barry there.

946
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 10: I could be wrong.

947
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: It's a long ass theme.

948
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: I mean, they would burning a few minutes of content time.

949
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: And they're like, okay, the spread is eight pages, John,

950
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: we got to make some fun. It's only forty one seconds.

951
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: But you know that's so.

952
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 13: By the way, can I just say, can I just

953
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 13: say you were playing Barney Miller earlier? So I had

954
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 13: to look at up Hal Lindon still alive?

955
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: Really?

956
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 13: Yeah, I figured I was like that thought, it has

957
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 13: to be out of here. He's eighty seven. Here's something

958
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 13: I did not know about. This was like forgotten me.

959
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 15: So the co writer the Jefferson theme song also wrote

960
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 15: River Deep, Mountain High. Really the dude run Tina Turner

961
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 15: song and he kissed me Jeff Barry.

962
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: Woos getting page.

963
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 4: Yeah makes sense, it makes sense, all right.

964
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: So, uh, Bashir and Diallo, would you mind uh sharing

965
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 2: with us the experience of trying to develop a show

966
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: for HBO. Yeah, the whole experience of brothers in Atlanta.

967
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: Oh man, shout out, Brosident and y'all just looked at

968
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: the floor like y'all wanted to pour some liquor on

969
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: the ground.

970
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: Liquor. I mean it's like losing one of your children.

971
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

972
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 13: And by the way, we did two pilots for place

973
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 13: in four years and two months, so that was four years.

974
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: And two months. Can see and acted on shows on HBO.

975
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 13: Of course you can't do that, Okay, you definitely don't

976
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 13: have any of it. I'm sorry, because that would be

977
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 13: that would be illegal.

978
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: Okay. I will say that. I'm so proud of Brothers

979
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. It's so fucking funny. Fonte is in it.

980
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: It's just but it's still funny.

981
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 4: So what what what's the process of trying to start

982
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: a car that well, I will.

983
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 11: Say HBOS process I think is evolving, but it's typically

984
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 11: a longer process. We were there developing for two years,

985
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 11: which is on the minimum side. There are other people

986
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 11: there who've been developing for up to six years.

987
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 4: Well, there was also that one project that was there

988
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 4: for eight years.

989
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 11: Of development, which is I think a testament to their

990
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 11: sense over there that everything needs to be slowed down

991
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 11: to the point we can examine it a lot to

992
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 11: make sure it's great. Sometimes that works. We see some

993
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 11: of the shows obviously, like Game of Thrones are incredible.

994
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 11: Sometimes that process that they have leads to I think we.

995
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 13: Were also there during a period of great executive turnover. Like,

996
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 13: we were there for three different presidents of the network,

997
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 13: so when we arrived there was one person who was president.

998
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: She was a big champion.

999
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 13: We did a pilot there called The Reporters, which I

1000
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 13: think conceptually is still one of the best things we've.

1001
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: Ever don so okay, yeah, because I never literally saw

1002
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: the best thing in the world. It's about these two

1003
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: black reporters.

1004
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 13: We basically we took all the president's men and we

1005
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 13: put ourselves in the roles of those reporters. And I

1006
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 13: don't think it's any industry secret anymore. The concept of

1007
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 13: the show was essentially that every conspiracy theory that black

1008
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 13: people believe in, we were on the hunt to find

1009
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 13: out if it was true or not.

1010
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 4: And the joke was, give me example, is Tupac alive?

1011
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: Okay?

1012
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 13: Every every episode was us examining a different sort of like,

1013
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 13: you know, because one of them actually came out of Foullain.

1014
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 4: The original one is yeah, no, it was it was

1015
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 4: the search for James Brown's Gold.

1016
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 13: So when Eddie came on, When Eddie Murphy came on,

1017
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 13: Jimmy Fallon, he said that like you know, he'd he

1018
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 13: you know, he was blowing up as a young comedian

1019
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 13: and he met James Brown and James Brown was like, hey,

1020
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 13: are you doing so good man? You know, but but

1021
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 13: but don't put your money in a bank. And he

1022
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 13: was like, well what should I do with the money?

1023
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: And he was like do what I do? Hey?

1024
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 13: Man bury that shariot in the woods. He was like,

1025
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 13: what if you forget where you're barried? He's like, hey,

1026
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 13: at least the government won't get it. So we were

1027
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 13: sitting in our desci foul and we were like, what

1028
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 13: if somewhere in Augusta, Georgia, you know, was in the woods.

1029
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 13: There's like tons of hidden treasures, so our characters would

1030
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 13: just go in search of all that stuff. It was

1031
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 13: a really sort of unique concept for a show. We

1032
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 13: also came at a time when like Girls was starting

1033
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 13: to take off for HBO, So I feel like they

1034
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 13: steered us in a way more like Girls and let's

1035
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 13: do a very grounded I mean, we.

1036
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 11: Just to be honest, We just you know what I'm

1037
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 11: learning because we're now we're Comedy Central the South Side

1038
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 11: and it's like night and day. It really comes down

1039
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 11: to support. We just had a support, Like we didn't

1040
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 11: have the support you have to have the support the

1041
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 11: person the top, and eventually the person the top changed

1042
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 11: and they supported other ship and we were still there.

1043
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 11: We were like, oh, well that president, just finish the story.

1044
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 11: That president left. New president comes on. He's like, hey,

1045
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 11: I love you guys. I don't like the pilot you

1046
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 11: did for her. Do a pilot for me. So that

1047
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 11: was another two years of our lives. That it takes

1048
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 11: that long, That takes that long to it doesn't have

1049
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 11: to No, it doesn't happen. But that's the that was

1050
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 11: the way process then. I don't know what the process

1051
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 11: is now.

1052
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: What it's gonna change because they got to put out

1053
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: like ten times more content.

1054
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 13: We shot a great pilot with with Fante as he said,

1055
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 13: and j Smith and Maya Rudolph and Big Boy from Outcast,

1056
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 13: and it was a great pilot.

1057
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: It was all about being in Atlanta.

1058
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 13: Actually, at one point Donald was going to be in

1059
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 13: our another point he was like, Hey, after I come

1060
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 13: up to her, I'm gonna do my own Atlanta show.

1061
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: We're also big fans of Atlanta.

1062
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 13: I think like the same way there are a million

1063
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 13: white shows that take place in New York and LA.

1064
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 4: You can have more than one black. It takes place.

1065
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 11: I will say one thing that's a little that was

1066
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 11: difficult and frustrating for me was you know, back in

1067
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 11: twenty twelve, Diallo was telling the network like, Hey, Atlanta, Atlanta,

1068
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 11: Atlanta my hometown. I'm from there. We got to do

1069
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 11: a show in Atlanta, and they just you should see

1070
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 11: the blank stairs. We would get the meetings and to

1071
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 11: the point where we had to wait till twenty fifteen

1072
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 11: where GQ published an article saying, hey, Atlanta has is

1073
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 11: a city where like music is important and then we

1074
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 11: had to like walk that into President Hbill's office, like see,

1075
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 11: We've been saying for three years.

1076
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: Like this is the real thing. Now. This frustrating not

1077
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: being able.

1078
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: To wait with the Columbus to discover Atlanta before they

1079
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 4: us there.

1080
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 13: How do they feel with the success of the other

1081
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 13: Atlanta Like to have you had a I just told

1082
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 13: you so? Or like, no, man, we haven't had time

1083
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 13: to say I told you so. I will say that, Uh,

1084
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 13: you know, there's a I'm I'm happy for anybody who

1085
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 13: gets to anybody black who gets create a show. So

1086
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 13: like people ask me about other black shows, and even

1087
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 13: if I don't love those shows, I'll geninly be like,

1088
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 13: I love it because it is so hard to get

1089
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 13: an idea that is pure through the crucible.

1090
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: It's so hard to get that shape.

1091
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 4: So you're telling me just because a show was greenlit,

1092
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 4: that's not mean.

1093
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: Okay.

1094
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 13: So at the end of the story, so Brothers in Atlanta,

1095
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 13: we shot, we shot the pilot, and uh, it went

1096
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 13: to series and we hired a room full of writers

1097
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 13: and we wrote the entire first season and then we

1098
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 13: were like, okay, so what are our production days.

1099
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: So they're like, we'll get back to you, and we'll

1100
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 4: get back to you.

1101
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 13: Stretched out for six months of our lives and we're

1102
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 13: out here in l A like just waiting, and then

1103
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 13: they called us one day and and and uh. The

1104
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 13: new person was like, I think we're going in a

1105
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 13: different direction.

1106
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 4: So I'm curious, who is the sounding board? What do

1107
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: you mean, who was the judge in the injury with

1108
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 4: the hands on the guillotine, the whether you know, Oh,

1109
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 4: it's the President's the people at the top.

1110
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 11: But you know, but those decisions are made by the

1111
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 11: people who work in the building, who are in competition

1112
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 11: with each other. So if we've been there for four

1113
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 11: years and somebody's coming in with something that that's new

1114
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 11: and hot and they like and they're true, and there's

1115
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 11: only so much airtime on HBO. Now you're in a

1116
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 11: competition between like, well, are we gonna put out this

1117
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 11: thing or this new thing? And then that's without somebody

1118
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 11: else developed that. I mean, there's a lot of that

1119
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 11: networks with like, well, somebody else developed that project, and

1120
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 11: I don't care about that project. I got this project.

1121
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 11: So we sort of ran into some of that turbulence the.

1122
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 13: Same way at any network, the previous administration developed something

1123
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 13: and then those people are fleshed out the incoming People

1124
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 13: often say, and this is some real talk about the industry. Yeah, well,

1125
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 13: if this thing hits, it's gonna make my predecessor look good.

1126
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 13: It doesn't help me, and it doesn't help me, so

1127
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 13: I'm just gonna push it out.

1128
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 6: I tell you guys, that's for most jobs entertainment people.

1129
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 1: Yes, that's crazy.

1130
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 11: Yeah we're saying, you know, but I will say everybody,

1131
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 11: it did make me thinking, because Fante, you said, that's

1132
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 11: what happens in the record isstruy.

1133
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: I think what we went through, by the way, I

1134
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: had a really good talk with Raphael to dig about it.

1135
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 11: He is such a good person to talk to anyway,

1136
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 11: because he worked with us on the Maya Rudolph thing.

1137
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 11: But it made me think about, like, how many great

1138
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 11: albums have I never heard because some fucking executive pushed

1139
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 11: it out. But then it also means that, like some

1140
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 11: artists have to have that tenacity to be like, well,

1141
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 11: I have three albums that are incredible that are never

1142
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 11: coming out. Now I got to go make a fourth call.

1143
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 11: That's fucking I can't even I mean, I can't imagine

1144
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 11: it because I've had to do it. But it's incredible

1145
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 11: to think about the volume of good material that one

1146
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 11: person has like kept back.

1147
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: From the world.

1148
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to really think it, Like if you're

1149
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: I think, if you're an artist just now, you really

1150
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: have to have it in mind. Like when people say

1151
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 2: you're in it for the long haul, in your mind,

1152
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 2: you might be thinking the long haul is like four years, nigga.

1153
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: That shit is more like ten.

1154
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 9: Mabody, who has judged some of the Diversity Writing Contest

1155
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 9: and watched people's career. I mean some of the scripts

1156
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 9: that some suck, but some are amazing. But then you

1157
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 9: see people's especially for black women. I'll say in half

1158
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 9: an hour comedy and we have we haven't. We haven't

1159
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 9: run a network one since the nineties, so it's very

1160
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 9: it's a voice sore spot. But since living thing, yes, yes, yes,

1161
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 9: what about it said half an hour comedy, which I

1162
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 9: care about because they know right hours?

1163
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean we haven't.

1164
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 9: And it's like there's I mean, there's guys, there's like

1165
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 9: you know, even Cable, there's Saladin, and there's some princess

1166
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 9: who's running in secure. But just for a woman to

1167
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 9: actually have a voice in half an hour, and I've

1168
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 9: watched this young lady and a lot of times what

1169
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 9: happens is they'll hire diverse writers because they get them

1170
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 9: for free under a program forer year fire. I mean

1171
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 9: they have to start every year at the same level.

1172
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: As the staff.

1173
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 11: I just found that also, that they'll hire like even

1174
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 11: if somebody man woman gets a job and is like,

1175
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 11: this is your show, it's greatanlet What America doesn't know

1176
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 11: is that the network then go behind and hire this

1177
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 11: other person to come in and basically sit over your

1178
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 11: shoulder for the whole time and try and direct to

1179
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 11: control what you do because they are more in tune

1180
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 11: with the network actually wants, And I've seen a lot

1181
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 11: of frustrated people be like they have to be working

1182
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 11: with this other writer and they don't really get they

1183
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 11: don't even get black people.

1184
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: And it's just like, but that's that's the condition under

1185
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: which you get to put your show on the air.

1186
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: So that happens often.

1187
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, So.

1188
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: Like during the time you were saying that, you know,

1189
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: years will go by, whatever will go by before you

1190
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: had a job, or you know, when you're between jobs,

1191
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: how would you support yourself?

1192
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: How do you eat as a writer?

1193
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 9: Hebe I know how to do that. I mean, I

1194
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 9: wrote the Diaries. I mean, but honestly, it's this is

1195
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 9: what happens a lot of time. There's so many stories

1196
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 9: about being a lot of times there's not a lot

1197
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 9: of This is the first show that I've worked on

1198
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 9: and I've been out here for seventeen years where I've

1199
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 9: written for a lead black woman, you know, and a

1200
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 9: lot of times people will think that it's a black girl,

1201
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 9: she could only write for black women. I'm like, I've

1202
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 9: lived in a white and a man's world my whole life.

1203
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 9: I have to learn to navigate this, like you literally,

1204
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 9: on paper, I'm the whitest person on Earth. It's like,

1205
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 9: if you didn't Angela Ministile, what the.

1206
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: Hell is that?

1207
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 9: But it's very it's unless they feel like your voice

1208
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 9: will contribute. They literally look at a lot of times

1209
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 9: on these literal half hour comedies, they only look at

1210
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 9: people of color through a people of color less Like

1211
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 9: even when you're pitching, they'll be like, Okay, here's our

1212
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 9: Latina character. She's gonna take salsa lessons.

1213
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: And she's Latina, she probably don't need to take lessons.

1214
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 7: You know.

1215
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 9: I've had such interesting comments with black women about getting

1216
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 9: staffed on shows. I remember one girl saying her go

1217
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 9: to strategy is getting her hair put in corn rolls

1218
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 9: because then people know that she's the authentic black when

1219
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 9: she comes back. She was like, I do it every

1220
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 9: year and it works. She was like, until before that,

1221
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 9: you know, and it's have.

1222
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 5: You watched any of the either YouTube ladies. Have y'all

1223
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 5: watched The Love Is at All? Because it kind of

1224
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 5: shows like the process. But I heard it does show

1225
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 5: when she went to YouTube.

1226
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: Is that on Netflix?

1227
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 14: That's on own all right?

1228
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 6: And it's the story of Mara, And I thought, uh.

1229
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 11: About I watched Green Leaf? Yeah, I have watched that's

1230
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 11: the Mother show, y'all, Sleeping on green Leaf?

1231
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 3: I love it?

1232
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 5: Could they show her being a staff writer from Martin

1233
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 5: back in the day before she became who she is

1234
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 5: mar brock and kill and supporting her husband.

1235
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: To me, that's those are the most interesting parts of

1236
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah. Yeah, the love story part is it's

1237
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: like some beauty but like it.

1238
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 9: Now I'm in.

1239
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: That is that her new show?

1240
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1241
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: That show? I never heard back?

1242
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 7: What were you?

1243
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: Seriously now I'm here. What happened y'all? What happened on

1244
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: the show or the show?

1245
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 14: I don't even remembering?

1246
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 11: No, no, I told her I for that show because

1247
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 11: I had to meet with Mara and her husband Rye,

1248
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 11: who are like the dream team, you know.

1249
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: It's like straight up. But that show is about their

1250
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: assent through in early days.

1251
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 5: And they tell it through the story of them being older.

1252
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 5: So two older actors telling the story.

1253
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clark Peters and I cannot remember the ladies name.

1254
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: Let's the Freeman from the Wire and I can't remember

1255
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: the lady that plays the older And that's.

1256
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 14: About calloways on here too.

1257
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: That's why her. I love her.

1258
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 7: But when I was in the o g Room, that

1259
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 7: was my first that's my first writing job, first time

1260
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 7: ever writing in the room. I've been a comedian for

1261
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 7: twenty years, touring all across the country. You know, got

1262
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 7: on the tour with Tracy and he's like, I want

1263
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 7: to put you in my room. I like the way

1264
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 7: you write, like your jokes. So I got in the

1265
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 7: room and I and I thought that was just how

1266
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 7: it was. I thought this was normal. And then Andrew's like, no,

1267
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 7: you never see this many black writers in one way.

1268
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

1269
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 14: I thought this was because I loved it.

1270
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: I was.

1271
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 14: It was like I was home.

1272
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 7: We had so much fun in the room. We let

1273
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 7: We were so loud that the other rooms would come

1274
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 7: over to see what we were doing and they would.

1275
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 9: Say they did that.

1276
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 7: I think they did want to say that, but they

1277
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 7: but when they opened the door and see all these

1278
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 7: black people are like, Okay, we can't we can't really

1279
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 7: say that.

1280
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 14: We can't say nothing funny.

1281
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was.

1282
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 14: But I thought that was normal. And I heard all

1283
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 14: these stories like no, that's this is a first.

1284
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 11: But you have to have a successful show with somebody

1285
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 11: like Tracy, who the network is now in tremendous financial

1286
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 11: business with must listen to like Donald of effects to

1287
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 11: be able to get to that place where you can

1288
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 11: have those types of rooms, because again, it's like they

1289
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 11: meddle in every little part of it, and you have

1290
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 11: to have somebody at the top who's just like, don't

1291
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 11: do that.

1292
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: This is what's gonna be, all right. So the room,

1293
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: of course, you know, in the past room. The past

1294
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: year or so, the me too movement has at least

1295
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: started to steer or the I'm sorry already the idea

1296
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: of me too has started to uh, I don't know,

1297
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: create some dialogue about respect on the on in the

1298
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: writer's room and in the boardroom or whatever.

1299
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 4: But uh, at its worst, can you tell us, Angela, what.

1300
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: How Toxico?

1301
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 9: I mean, what's interesting to me first before about the

1302
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 9: me too movement is that when I was on Scrubs,

1303
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 9: there was a black writer's assistant and she actually bought

1304
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 9: a lawsuit against the friends writers for some of the

1305
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 9: things that they said, things that.

1306
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 11: I have.

1307
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 9: A famous you know, and it's it actually got rejected.

1308
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 9: The whole thing was that, yeah, she never worked again,

1309
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 9: she had to retire from the business.

1310
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: They stopped hiring black women.

1311
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 9: Literally, I was told to my face, thank you for

1312
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 9: saying that, because I was told to my face by

1313
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 9: numerous white men, wow, you're lucky you already have a job,

1314
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 9: because we ain't hire no black women. After that, and then,

1315
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 9: like I said, since the nineties winning one one damn show,

1316
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 9: they literally said, oh, they can say whatever they want

1317
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 9: to say to you. You want to misquote. But it

1318
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Speaker 9: was some of the things that they would say in

1319
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Speaker 9: the room. I mean, they would talk sexual stuff. And

1320
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Speaker 9: this is not stuff that I'm I have not heard.

1321
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 9: I've heard it over and over and I've always been

1322
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 9: told by the white women, one, keep your mouth shut,

1323
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 9: you know, which is what everyone does. And I've been

1324
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 9: and especially even looking at the Me Too movement. Now

1325
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 9: I'm rolling my eyes trac across the room because every

1326
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 9: black woman has come out in the metwo movement. It's

1327
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Speaker 9: like even the only one that Harvey Weinstein talked back against.

1328
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Speaker 4: Was the black.

1329
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Speaker 14: Wait a minute, woman, come up, decent, you go through.

1330
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Speaker 9: This that if I speak up, nobody's going to have

1331
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Speaker 9: my back, you know. So it's I always feel bad

1332
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 9: because she was the one. If anyone was one of

1333
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 9: the first people to speak up, it was her. And

1334
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 9: now she had she not only they sued her for

1335
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 9: the cost of their legal defense mother.

1336
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Speaker 7: What she had, I want to put her on the shoulder.

1337
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 7: And they talk about that cage all the time. It

1338
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 7: comes up a lot.

1339
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: It comes up in our HR meetings to this day.

1340
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Speaker 14: We just had a meeting, a network meeting came up there,

1341
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 14: So she.

1342
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 4: Came before this, the me too madness.

1343
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: This is like late nineties or.

1344
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 9: Two thousand. I didn't start out here until two thousand

1345
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 9: and two, so I had.

1346
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: To be like early two thousands.

1347
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, wow, so I remember. But yes they did, Like

1348
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 9: you said, they.

1349
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: Said where she is or who she is or I mean,

1350
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure I know some.

1351
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 9: People who have tried to reach out to her. She

1352
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 9: went into the military, which I would do too if

1353
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 9: I had all these powerful men try But that's all

1354
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 9: I know, And I know that some journalists have tried.

1355
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: To reach I got her training on, she got some skills.

1356
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 6: But talk about to in the room.

1357
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 5: The difference between like, because you know it's jokes, right,

1358
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 5: you can tell sexual jokes and whatnot, But when it

1359
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 5: becomes offensive, like what would have made her be.

1360
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 9: Like if you experienced some ship in the room, Yes,

1361
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 9: I will say that, what makes you cross the line,

1362
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 9: I will say that in these jobs. I always liking

1363
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 9: it to going on too a construction site. I put

1364
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 9: on a different hat, I put on protective gear when

1365
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 9: I go in these rooms, and I give as good

1366
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 9: as I get. But there are certain things that I've

1367
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 9: heard in rooms that means that if you're gonna sit

1368
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 9: there and talk about my ass, I'm gonna make up

1369
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 9: shit about your dick, and I'm gonna sit there and

1370
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 9: talk about your mom and your brother and all that

1371
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 9: other shit, and I'm gonna make you crawl under the

1372
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 9: motherfucking desk, like for real, Like I'm just like you know,

1373
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 9: like I'm just you can't be, in my opinion, you

1374
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 9: can't be like us. Literally, I'm not going to go

1375
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 9: into a room and talk about one of the things

1376
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 9: like we talk about how one of the things we

1377
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 9: talked about the last og because there's a white guy there,

1378
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 9: And I said, you know, white guys is so funny

1379
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 9: when they try to have sex with the black women.

1380
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 9: They're always trying to compete with what they think black

1381
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 9: men do.

1382
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 14: You know?

1383
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 9: So I have I go into a half an hour

1384
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 9: spiel about having sex with white guys. I can't put

1385
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 9: out that much on the table and have people visualizing

1386
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 9: my vagina and not expecting to come back with a.

1387
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: Joke about.

1388
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 9: The line to me is watching a basketball game and

1389
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 9: using the end word and looking at me and expecting

1390
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 9: a less wait wait really yeah, And then but then

1391
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 9: getting into the whole thing where.

1392
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: They felt that safe to say nigga again like it.

1393
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 9: Was we heard earlier, if they felt safe enough to

1394
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 9: say we're not going to hire another black woman after

1395
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 9: this one black woman messed up? What if someone said

1396
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 9: we're not hire another white man. But yes, of course, yes,

1397
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 9: these are all things that you HR because HR looks

1398
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 9: out for their company. HR is not going to look

1399
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 9: out for H. HR ain't your friend.

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01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 11: But also, I mean the reason the other reason you

1401
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 11: don't go to HR is because it'll hurt your like

1402
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 11: if you.

1403
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: Want to stay a writer.

1404
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 11: People are going like, okay, we got to hire another room,

1405
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 11: and I'm like, oh, well, that person who they hired

1406
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 11: last time they went to HR based on some jokes

1407
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 11: that was.

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01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 4: Made, you basically went to internal effing yeah.

1409
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: Then it's like, why would I bring that person? I mean,

1410
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: even the black kid didn't have guns hurts you.

1411
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 11: By the way, even with the me too movement, I'm

1412
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 11: pretty sure, we've only seen a very small snippet of

1413
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 11: people who have stories. There's a lot of women, probably

1414
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 11: every woman in Hollywood has a story about some ship

1415
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 11: that somebody did. But you know, again, there's a cost

1416
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 11: benefit going on, people going like, eh, is it worth me?

1417
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 11: It's working?

1418
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't want to. It's sad to say, but

1419
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 9: I don't want to be the person now after I

1420
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 9: see what happens to that other girl that anyone ever

1421
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 9: says it, well, you know what, angel is the reason

1422
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 9: they're not hiring any more black women. You know, it's sad,

1423
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 9: but I don't want to be that person.

1424
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 4: No, it's black people. We always have to think about that.

1425
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: We always have to think in terms of the collective,

1426
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: Like if I do something, it ain't just me doing it,

1427
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: I represent thirty other niggas that don't even know me,

1428
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's what's fucked up.

1429
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: But every room culture is also different.

1430
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 11: Like some rooms you know, and it's it's it's it's

1431
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 11: absolutely sexist, it's absolutely racist. But some rooms are just

1432
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 11: like hard rooms period where depending on how the showrunner

1433
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 11: is Like, I've definitely been in rooms, but I've seen

1434
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 11: two even white guys viciously going at each other and

1435
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 11: everybody's laughing, and I'm like, yeah, that's just like going

1436
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 11: at each other like personally, like get real personal, like

1437
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 11: your wife shit, and like, oh that's why your wife.

1438
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: Let you know whatever that was.

1439
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 11: But like some some showrunners encourage that because they think

1440
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 11: it makes the show better to have a feisty room.

1441
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 11: So it actually it's like sometimes people want that thunderdome atmosphere.

1442
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 11: Yeah true, you know really yeah, people who we worked before,

1443
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 11: Like I've heard directly from some very famous producer that

1444
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 11: his assistant was like, well, you know, he likes to when.

1445
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: The writers compete a lot and they're really kind of

1446
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: cutting each other's throats. And I was like, really, I

1447
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: don't like that. It's not fun to go to work

1448
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: every day knowing like if this person says something to me,

1449
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk shit about him, and it almost come

1450
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: to blows with this person and fight this person, you know,

1451
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: in a building, and I will say for them to

1452
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: right a TV show.

1453
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 13: My personal experience is that most writers rooms have a

1454
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 13: have a general like you like the people that you're

1455
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 13: in the room with, and it becomes like this sort

1456
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 13: of weird family where like you said, all secrets kind

1457
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 13: of come out on the table and you typically grow

1458
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 13: pretty close. I can't speak on what it was like

1459
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 13: to be in one of those all all male rooms

1460
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 13: in like you know, the early nineties, where every dude,

1461
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 13: every every writer was a white guy.

1462
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know what that's ever been like.

1463
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 4: I've never been that room.

1464
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 9: It's it's amazing. Me and Tracy were talking before we

1465
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 9: started recording today and we were like, it's the real world.

1466
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 9: Knew that they had something. We are trapped in a

1467
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 9: room with each other for sometimes twelve hours a day.

1468
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 9: Sometimes we sleep overnight with each other, and unlike on

1469
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 9: TV on the Real World all these shows, but we

1470
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 9: are forced to talk to each other about topics that

1471
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 9: we think will engage America. So it's like and we

1472
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 9: are going to disagree. And if you have a good room,

1473
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 9: it's very diverse and everyone has diverse opinions. So that's

1474
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 9: why sometimes fists will fly, Sometimes people will say things,

1475
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 9: and people will call out people's dead moms, like it

1476
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 9: gets super real.

1477
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 14: I had to I had to pull back one day, remember,

1478
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 14: and I had to hold back.

1479
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 7: I got out it was something, it was something I

1480
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 7: just didn't agree with that we were doing with the

1481
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 7: with our female character, and I just just like I

1482
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 7: was holding it in.

1483
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 14: And I think I said, y'all gonna get letters. I

1484
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 14: think that's what I said.

1485
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 7: I said, y'all gonna get letters, and I just got

1486
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 7: up outvoted or no, no, they It was kind of

1487
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 7: a misunderstanding, But I'm glad that that happened because the

1488
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 7: showrunner then said, oh, did you think I meant this?

1489
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 7: And then other people in the room said, well, that's

1490
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 7: what I thought you mean. Yeah, so and I thought

1491
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 7: nobody in the room at that moment had my back,

1492
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 7: but then everybody was like, no, we were right on

1493
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 7: the same page with you on that, you know, but

1494
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 7: they say, you're not supposed to do that.

1495
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: How receptive are like in the rooms?

1496
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 2: Because I'd imagine now being that, you know, with like

1497
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: black Twitter, and you know how like shit it is instant,

1498
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, how receptive are people

1499
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 2: or I guess whether it be the showrunners or the

1500
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: producers or the higher ups whoever, how receptive are they

1501
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: to y'all's like feedback of saying like yo, when y'all

1502
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 2: do that, yeah, like you're gonna be on Boss of

1503
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: the next morning, nigga, like, you don't want these problems?

1504
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: Did they listen to y'all on that kind of shit?

1505
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 9: It depends, I mean, so much can change by the

1506
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 9: time it's on the page to the time that it's

1507
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 9: on the stage, and then sometimes by the time black

1508
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 9: Twitter says something, we're like, oh, they gonna hate this

1509
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 9: because we already filmed it, you know.

1510
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 14: So it's it depends.

1511
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 7: I think sometimes if I try to fight for that

1512
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 7: in the room, you know, you don't want to be

1513
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 7: they called the web blanket in the room, you don't

1514
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 7: want to be that person. But you know, certain things

1515
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 7: like if I feel really passionate about it, sometimes what

1516
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 7: I'll do is I'll just talk to that showrunner alone,

1517
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 7: you know, and we'll talk alone because sometimes in the

1518
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 7: room something I you know, it might pop off, So

1519
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 7: I just go and say, I'll wait till I can

1520
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 7: talk to him privately.

1521
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: I would I would assume that post the Roseanne situation,

1522
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 2: that most writers' room know that black Twitter or the

1523
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 2: Internet social media has the power to get you canceled

1524
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: in a milliseconds. So was it before then they were

1525
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 2: just like, oh, it doesn't make it doesn't matter.

1526
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 13: I know think I think these conversations always said. In fact,

1527
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 13: I'll even say there are times with me and Basher

1528
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 13: don't agree about a law and a dialogue, you know,

1529
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 13: Like so I don't even think it necessarily has to

1530
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,839
Speaker 13: be a white black thing, like there can be sometimes

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Speaker 13: when like two black people disagree about like what's going

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Speaker 13: to set off black Twitter?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I don't a white black thing.

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Speaker 2: I just meant the power of the instant feedback from

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Speaker 2: an audience.

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Speaker 11: That I mean, I'm gonna be an outlier here and

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Speaker 11: say I think people are extremely attuned to that. But

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Speaker 11: my personal feeling is that it's terrible to be attuned

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Speaker 11: to that because it's gonna stop you from taking bold strokes,

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Speaker 11: making bold decisions. And you also have to look at

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Speaker 11: the genesis and origin or something like there's something on

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Speaker 11: our new show that's a little bit controversial, but a

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Speaker 11: black writer pitched it. It was a room full of

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Speaker 11: black people there who laughed when he pitched it. I

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Speaker 11: was there, you know what I'm saying. So it's like

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Speaker 11: it's almost like there's a line between if it's coming

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Speaker 11: from us versus if it's like a white TV show

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Speaker 11: with a black character where it's like, well, there's no

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Speaker 11: agency there. But it's also a case by case, and

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Speaker 11: you know, I apologize for being repetitive, but I personally

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Speaker 11: do feel like if you live your life constantly like

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Speaker 11: worried about well, what's Twitter gonna think about this.

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Speaker 1: Then I don't know what kind of life you're living. No,

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Speaker 1: I completely agree.

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Speaker 9: I'm with you, because it's also times I'll see that

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Speaker 9: Twitter gets so excited just seeing black faces on the screen,

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Speaker 9: and I want to scream at Twitter there's no black

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Speaker 9: writers on that show, there's no black gaffers, there's not

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Speaker 9: even black man on the Craft Food Service.

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Speaker 1: Mascot for the show.

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Speaker 9: Yes, yes, And so it's it's it's I sometimes wish

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Speaker 9: that and a lot of people on black Twitter perhaps

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Speaker 9: have their own agendas when they rail against or.

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Speaker 1: For a show.

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Speaker 9: You just got to be careful, Yes, So it's it's

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Speaker 9: I agree with you totally.

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Speaker 1: I just say also like I'm to that point.

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Speaker 11: Also, I myself have prejudices, Like I was talking to

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Speaker 11: this black woman at this event one time, and I

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Speaker 11: was asking what her favorite TV show was, and I

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Speaker 11: thought she was gonna be like, well, you know, Insecure

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Speaker 11: and Land and like, name all the shows that are

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Speaker 11: like the shows that people were talking about. She just

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Speaker 11: named a bunch of random shit that I didn't even

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Speaker 11: know was on the air. And myself was like, see,

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Speaker 11: that's my prejudice because I assumed because she was a

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Speaker 11: black woman that she's only watching TV shows with a

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Speaker 11: strong black female lead, and like, no she was.

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Speaker 1: She was like the flat well no, but see.

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Speaker 11: But here's why though, because when you were in these meetings,

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Speaker 11: when you're talking to these executives, that's all they talk about.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got to have this person on the show

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Speaker 1: because there's a black woman, so you have to have a.

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Speaker 5: Black you have black women in your life. Do you

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Speaker 5: take that into account too? It does it just become

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Speaker 5: so vision.

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Speaker 1: Not at all? Actually no, not at all.

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Speaker 9: What I'm saying, not at all does black women.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to shout out, shout shout out to the wife.

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Speaker 11: But I was just wanting to say that, I think,

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Speaker 11: listening to TV executives, you would think that only people

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Speaker 11: people only watch stuff where they themselves are greatly represented

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Speaker 11: on screen. And I think our feeling and what we

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Speaker 11: struggle with at HBO, our feeling was that no black

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Speaker 11: people are too diverse to be put in the box.

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Speaker 11: You cannot tell them what they will like and what

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Speaker 11: they won't like. You can't predict that. You have no

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Speaker 11: idea what a black audience.

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Speaker 5: Will which is crazy because coming from your experience, you

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Speaker 5: can't tell an executive like trust me, I know, I know,

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Speaker 5: like mad black women.

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Speaker 14: They're like the numbers say, those numbers are subjective, you know.

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Speaker 9: Now, I feel really bad that me and my mom

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Speaker 9: fudged that Nielsen thing. They're like, look at this thing,

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Speaker 9: and that's too.

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Speaker 1: Dang. You take a break. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I figured the jam was coming. I was playing a jam,

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Speaker 2: but then I thought you were a thought. Oh no, no,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Oh, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: I hate to be the bear of bad news. But

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Speaker 4: that is all for Quest Love Supreme this week.

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Speaker 1: But don't worry.

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Speaker 4: Tune in next week. You're gonna hear how this.

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Speaker 1: Conversation is all right, Okay, we will see your next

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Speaker 1: direct Peace West.

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Speaker 2: Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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Speaker 2: was produced by the team at Pandora.

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