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Speaker 1: joins us from Hanging with the Boys, our favorite show.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us, formerly of the Break and formerly of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, trading around like an old pair of socks.
Speaker 1: I'm Nick Eatman and Mickey Spengola will be joining us
Speaker 1: here in a little bit. We're gonna kind of finished
Speaker 1: this week off here. It's been a good week of
Speaker 1: practice at the start the Cowboys is the first time
Speaker 1: they've practiced here at Frisco. Uh fans got a chance
Speaker 1: to come out, and the Dallas Fort Worth chance to
Speaker 1: come out. I'm sure all of us have got a
Speaker 1: chance to shake hands with people as we walk through,
Speaker 1: and absolutely people that you know, It's it's kind of
Speaker 1: weird when you think about it. California gets to see
Speaker 1: these cowboys a lot. It's been They've been Austin, which
Speaker 1: all falls thankfully, but um but here in Dallas. You know,
Speaker 1: training camp in Dallas is not a new thing. But
Speaker 1: I think it's gone pretty well. Practicing inside you would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we we were all part of the Wichita
Speaker 1: Falls experiment. You know we were. But let me talk
Speaker 1: about that real quick, you know. And Nick brought up
Speaker 1: a point about practicing indoors. You you'd love that back
Speaker 1: in the day after doing with Austin, Wichita Falls, all
Speaker 1: those places that you know, the way you guys practice,
Speaker 1: you're different type of player too. Yeah, yeah, we uh
Speaker 1: we had to go ahead it hard two days for
Speaker 1: a minimum maybe ten days, and that was straight yeah,
Speaker 1: two day practices every day, So you would we would
Speaker 1: have loved especially when we to Wichita Falls. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: You know, we could bear a little bit better at
Speaker 1: saying it was in Austin, but wow, I mean, it
Speaker 1: wasn't only a long walk out to practice. It was
Speaker 1: a long walk away from practice. It was a long
Speaker 1: walk back to the day. It's like nothing was right
Speaker 1: and the heat one hundred and ten degrees when nothing
Speaker 1: was right about that place. Hold on, hold on, that's
Speaker 1: a school. He's gonna fight you going to school. But
Speaker 1: I mean I have none against the educational part. None
Speaker 1: against there you go, the academic part of this school.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about logistically, it was. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: admit some I didn't help you with teammates. I didn't
Speaker 1: do a very good job of getting your teammates for
Speaker 1: what you were used to playing with. Did that take
Speaker 1: something otter that team? Did that practice takes Yes, because
Speaker 1: you guys took advantage of the heat in Austin had
Speaker 1: better teammates. Nah, but no, brother, No, when you when
Speaker 1: you in a hundred degree weather with with the index
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten, sure it does not work. You
Speaker 1: can take you can take uh the youngest, strongest, most
Speaker 1: gifted athletes out there and you run them ten days
Speaker 1: of that right there. I mean it was you know
Speaker 1: how the things in the plane when you hit a
Speaker 1: certain attitude of things oxygen mast all. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: when we used to go right in the training room
Speaker 1: just just fall out. I remember that, Remember Nick, Remember
Speaker 1: walking into that fieldhouse to Colis Cumare and there were
Speaker 1: there were beds. They were like fifty beds of just
Speaker 1: people you know, laid up in Wake us up, hey man,
Speaker 1: it's trying to go to lunch, like, hey man, just
Speaker 1: feed me IV Yeah, And I tell you can I
Speaker 1: tell you the flip side of that that you guys
Speaker 1: probably don't even know that football team out there because
Speaker 1: I was a student at Midwestern State right there, and
Speaker 1: that that's how I got hooked up here. But there
Speaker 1: were a bad football team. They were making a transition
Speaker 1: from NAI school to Division two and one, two to
Speaker 1: three games a year at at most. But but being
Speaker 1: there and having and Mickey Spagnala joint us here. Uh,
Speaker 1: but being there and the exposure of that this is
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys train. It helped get enough recruits that
Speaker 1: now I think it started in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: but now they have won. They've had sixteen straight winning seasons.
Speaker 1: It's the laws streak of any college since stat it's
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, right as dehydration or the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: No no college football team, whether it be junior college,
Speaker 1: small college, you know, University of Texas. Nobody in Texas
Speaker 1: has had more winning seasons in a road than in
Speaker 1: Western State. What happened right there, you know, because of
Speaker 1: the facilities approved and all that. The cowboy Boys help
Speaker 1: some money in there, they certainly did well. We sacrificed
Speaker 1: for that's good. Sorry, we sacrificed you. We're talking about
Speaker 1: practicing indoors, sacrificed us Mickey, how you guys doing? Welcome back? See? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think this week is gone. Practice woice yesterday? Was
Speaker 1: it yesterday or the day before they got off to
Speaker 1: the slow start? No, it was yesterday when they took
Speaker 1: the pads off right and put the shells on, and
Speaker 1: he had to throw the first team off and then
Speaker 1: he had to throw the second team off and bring
Speaker 1: the first team back on to start practice. I think
Speaker 1: you take your foot off the accelerator and the guys
Speaker 1: take their foot off their accelerator. But other than that,
Speaker 1: I think it's been fine. I'm sure they would have
Speaker 1: liked more space for some of the stuff, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the practice is indoors, and I think the people kind
Speaker 1: of juiced, kind of juiced it up a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought, yes, it was the first bad practice they had,
Speaker 1: and just overall because that's like you say, with with Garrett,
Speaker 1: he's done a good job. I think, at least from
Speaker 1: a scouting perspective, being able to evaluate practice. You go
Speaker 1: out there and watch two plus hours of practice, you
Speaker 1: walk out there you're like, Okay, this happened, and this happened,
Speaker 1: and this happened yesterday Mickey's right. When you when you
Speaker 1: open with the thought of an off side, a snap
Speaker 1: early a fumble, you know that that was that was
Speaker 1: a sloppy way to get after it. Yesterday. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then the day before they gave him the evening off, right, well,
Speaker 1: the day before they gave a bunch of the veterans off,
Speaker 1: and I thought that reduced the efficiency of the of
Speaker 1: the offense. But the defense had a good day, but
Speaker 1: the offense struggled, right, So yeah, they Um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You change venues like that, change atmospheres, and maybe it
Speaker 1: was a little too cushy m because we were just
Speaker 1: talking about the perils of Austin and wichitall falls. Oh well,
Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, it's great, right, I mean it's
Speaker 1: might I mean ox Neyard, it was Oxnyard without sun
Speaker 1: absolutely a big deal, all right, can't it's got the
Speaker 1: phone number, I think for us over there. We've we've
Speaker 1: changed the number a couple of times. Did you have
Speaker 1: that number right off the top? Do you want to
Speaker 1: give it? Share it? It's two and four eight seven
Speaker 1: two twenty one O two all right, two and four
Speaker 1: eight seven two twenty one on two. All right, we've changed.
Speaker 1: You're just gonna make us like Kruskin like, yeah, try
Speaker 1: and mine read I had the two one four, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna. I'm just good to that point, all right,
Speaker 1: one four, eight seven two twenty one two. Give us
Speaker 1: a call, we'll talk. Uh. And also, Brian's got a
Speaker 1: game for us. I do play out of the box
Speaker 1: here later on. Ye, I'm ready for that at bit.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit out of the box, Mickey. I
Speaker 1: mean it's not I'm not asking you to the ball.
Speaker 1: I'm just out of the box. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about some of some of the news, if you
Speaker 1: want to call it that. If anyone wants to share
Speaker 1: anything about their opinions on Dez Bryant giving his opinions yesterday,
Speaker 1: this whole thing is kind of blown up, I don't know,
Speaker 1: for no reason really, um, but breaking news. He's still
Speaker 1: gonna stand at the national anthem, shocking. Yes, this hand
Speaker 1: over his heart I think so, yeah, next to the
Speaker 1: head coach. Right, so, um, nothing new has really happened there.
Speaker 1: He tried to have some fun on social media about
Speaker 1: a pizza place and and and it's kind of taken
Speaker 1: on a life of its own for no reason. And
Speaker 1: that's my opinion. He might have anything to share on Dez.
Speaker 1: Who is that woman Jamal Hill? Bill Hill? Who is
Speaker 1: that ESPN? She works? She's an anchor on their six o'clock.
Speaker 1: So why is she? Why is she trying? No one
Speaker 1: knows who she is? Why is she trolling on? Does Bryant?
Speaker 1: Are you well? So after she's an African American? Go
Speaker 1: out on it? You ever, you've never seen her? I
Speaker 1: saw her picture, Okay. She ESPN has made her a
Speaker 1: prominent person on their she six o'clock. Okay, So what
Speaker 1: is she? What is she trying to do? She's not
Speaker 1: on like minight trying to do I think she's trying
Speaker 1: to jump into a story. Yeah, she's trying to do something.
Speaker 1: You're right, Mickey. She's trying to do something that as
Speaker 1: an American, you should never do. And that's tell somebody
Speaker 1: else how to do their business. That's that's the unfortunate
Speaker 1: thing here to me. Don't don't tell me that the
Speaker 1: rights I have. Don't tell me how to put out
Speaker 1: my exhibit. My rights. Yeah, that's that's why I have rights.
Speaker 1: Go out on the street and find just ten people,
Speaker 1: all ten gonna know who does Brian is maybe four
Speaker 1: know who she is. Focus on the real story though,
Speaker 1: So no, the real story is she's trying to make
Speaker 1: a name for herself. I don't think so well I do.
Speaker 1: I don't. Well, I agree with brought us in a
Speaker 1: sense that you know, it bothers me because I'm hearing
Speaker 1: guys all just I'm not gonna take a shout at
Speaker 1: you for your opinion. You either, you on the shoa
Speaker 1: so seriously about people's opinion. Yeah, so I don't the
Speaker 1: Twitter followers I have, I don't never respond because when
Speaker 1: you go to saying, hey, this ain't right. What you're
Speaker 1: saying ain't smart that you know, I'm not getting into
Speaker 1: an argument about if you honestly think what you think
Speaker 1: and like you say, we have that right. Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: what's the issue here? Yeah, don't tell me how to
Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, that's where I think your issue not
Speaker 1: who she is. Well, I still think she's trying to
Speaker 1: make a name for herself, and she's got a name.
Speaker 1: She's obviously on a national program Nightly Mickey. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: got a name. But but you know, I still think
Speaker 1: that they try to throw that in there. What I
Speaker 1: didn't like is the fact that she said, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: you'll take a stand here, but not never mind, and
Speaker 1: then came back and said she was joking like yeah,
Speaker 1: like that that's wrong. Yeah I didn't. I didn't like that.
Speaker 1: But it's it's kind of you know, it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of been blown out of proportion. As I said on
Speaker 1: yesterday's show, that I don't feel like, you know, these players,
Speaker 1: whether you kneel or you don't, these players might have
Speaker 1: an opinion one way or another about the way our
Speaker 1: country is run. Absolutely, that doesn't mean that they're that
Speaker 1: they you know, just by standing don't care that they
Speaker 1: don't care, right and then and then they're okay with
Speaker 1: everything that's happening. You know, standing and kneeling for our country.
Speaker 1: It means a lot more than whether or not I
Speaker 1: approve of the president or not. This is this is
Speaker 1: an opportunity that we have, and I think I've had
Speaker 1: I've had people in the military tweet at me. And
Speaker 1: that's that's really our new way of talking to fans.
Speaker 1: That's our new way other than like Mickey going along
Speaker 1: the rail at Oxnard and saying hello to fans, which
Speaker 1: he always does, I think we all do that. We
Speaker 1: all acknowledge the fans wave to him, but now twitters
Speaker 1: are a way to communicate with fans, and I know
Speaker 1: the military folks that follow me in particular. You know,
Speaker 1: I've made a comment about Kaepernick, and to a person,
Speaker 1: men and women have said, hey, I fought for their
Speaker 1: right to do what they're doing, you know, and I
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I really really do. And I agree
Speaker 1: with Nate. I think that I'm not one to tread
Speaker 1: on someone else's opinion on this show. We have a
Speaker 1: form when we go back and forth and discuss, and
Speaker 1: that's good. But I'm not going to sit there and
Speaker 1: try and force my way of thinking on you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not That's not the way this country was form.
Speaker 1: That's why we have the freedoms we do. If people
Speaker 1: would just take a moment and listen to what Dez
Speaker 1: said yesterday, absolutely and almost eloquently expressing himself, and to
Speaker 1: think where he was in twenty ten. We talked about
Speaker 1: he was absolutely twenty seventeen. And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: get too close to the players, right. I wanted to
Speaker 1: reach out and hug him. Yeah, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: look how far you've come. No doubt he wasn't mad.
Speaker 1: He kept his emotions in check, and he expressed what
Speaker 1: he felt from his heart. And I thought he did
Speaker 1: it so well and it should be required listening because
Speaker 1: if you read it, it doesn't have the same effect
Speaker 1: if you hear it. And to see where he came
Speaker 1: from and the point he pointed out about, Hey, nothing
Speaker 1: against my mom and dad, but when I grew up,
Speaker 1: I wasn't taught right and wrong from them. I had
Speaker 1: to learn, and a lot of it I learned by
Speaker 1: trial and error, and there were errors. But he's come
Speaker 1: so far and and and for her to have the
Speaker 1: nerve to tell him, and basically he was telling him,
Speaker 1: you got to feel this way because you're a black man.
Speaker 1: That's what she's saying. That's what I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: That's no, that's exactly what and that ain't right. No,
Speaker 1: and that's and that's she shouldn't that that's a bad
Speaker 1: use of her platform, you know, to to go after
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant that way. She doesn't know Dez Bryant like
Speaker 1: we know Dez Bryant does. Bryant is a very conscious
Speaker 1: individual when it comes to what he believes. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that really wears his emotions on his sleeve,
Speaker 1: if you want to be honest about it. But Mickey's
Speaker 1: right where he came from, Holy smokes Ut on the
Speaker 1: back there, you know, real quick here about I was
Speaker 1: gonna mention this later on in the show, but because
Speaker 1: we are talking about Dez Bryant, if this weekend, if
Speaker 1: you get a chance to check out than the next
Speaker 1: Deep Blue, it's called Randy, Michael and Joey the Domino Effect.
Speaker 1: And I think you're really gonna enjoy this one, or
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you're it's gonna make you sick, actually, but
Speaker 1: it's it's about the Cowboys decision of not drafting Randy Moss,
Speaker 1: what happened later on with Michael Irvin getting hurt, then
Speaker 1: having to to go get Joey Galloway, and then what
Speaker 1: happened and kind of how it's snowballed from there. And
Speaker 1: I think it does have it happy ending. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, but but the fact of that Dez Bryant,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't make a mistake. Again, they didn't
Speaker 1: take the risk to go get Randy Moss. But when
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant was sitting there, whether it be twelve years later,
Speaker 1: they said, you know, a different circumstances, but still we're
Speaker 1: gonna go out and dynamically trying to get this guy,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna, you know, put him in our family,
Speaker 1: put our arms around him, and he's gonna get he's
Speaker 1: gonna get better, he's gonna be our guy. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's sort of what happened there. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you guys were both interviewed for it. I took a while,
Speaker 1: but Dez got there. And I remember when Michael Irvin
Speaker 1: told me when they drafted him. He said, you know,
Speaker 1: this kid is getting criticized for what he's gone through.
Speaker 1: He said he ought to be hugged and patted on
Speaker 1: the back for being where he is today, meeting he
Speaker 1: got drafted by somebody because Michael's point was people that
Speaker 1: grew up like Dez are either in prison, jail, or
Speaker 1: they're dead. Yes, uh yeah, I'll say it again. He's
Speaker 1: come a long way. Nate the player eighty eight, the
Speaker 1: guy that's I've been out here running routes, catching balls.
Speaker 1: He seems like he's taking his game to another level
Speaker 1: though in my opinion, from what I've seen here. The
Speaker 1: last I would say, week of training camp in Oxnard
Speaker 1: and then maybe something this week as well. You think
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. My my issue always has been
Speaker 1: withd A is for as a player, and that's what
Speaker 1: That's how I look at it. That's why I'm not
Speaker 1: come in a lot on it on this outside garbage. Sure,
Speaker 1: uh and man and brought was talking about the death
Speaker 1: is that he ran a curl route two days agoing
Speaker 1: out and brought us a nice curl rots. He's running routes, yeah,
Speaker 1: making hear me talk about the movies on it. I say,
Speaker 1: when dead, yeah, really hits it. When the light goes off,
Speaker 1: he'll start caring about his routes. He'll start caring about coverage,
Speaker 1: and he'll quit worrying about I'm wide open, Yeah, He'll
Speaker 1: he'll start worrying about clearing out, going underneath, helping his
Speaker 1: teammates and boom boom boom, and you starting to see
Speaker 1: him grow in that way. More than that than just
Speaker 1: the routes. I think he's been He's talked about it
Speaker 1: a couple of times this offseason, about eating better, I
Speaker 1: mean just just things like that. He said he used
Speaker 1: to go and he'd eat it fast food, two o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, whatever, I mean, he's really working on
Speaker 1: that part of his leaning. You see his leaning, so
Speaker 1: his veins are popping out. Yeah, he's leaning. That's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of what's happening out the field. I
Speaker 1: almost want to give the Jason Garrett I'm coaching who's
Speaker 1: on the field. I'm talking about who's own the field,
Speaker 1: because the way our world is set up today, it's
Speaker 1: always going to be something going on outside of what
Speaker 1: we do. And I'm gonna I'm gonna stay in there
Speaker 1: until we play the game outside the box. I'm staying
Speaker 1: inside the box, you know, staying in the zone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this though, if if for fact that
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott has to sit six games, you better ride
Speaker 1: that racehorse. You better find a way. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: to find a way to run the football and be
Speaker 1: productive doing it, because but you're taking a big part
Speaker 1: of your offense out of there. But I think the
Speaker 1: one thing that Dez Bryant, when you talk to him,
Speaker 1: he understands his team likes to run the football that
Speaker 1: he's on. He's not going to ever have the numbers
Speaker 1: that Julio Jones and some of these other receivers has.
Speaker 1: He's about winning, and so if they in fact have
Speaker 1: to go that route, I think that for everything that
Speaker 1: we're talking about right now, he prepared to do that.
Speaker 1: He's prepared to take this team and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden take a young quarterback with him and say just
Speaker 1: keep throwing me the ball. You talk about his health,
Speaker 1: you talk about his mental makeup, you talk about his
Speaker 1: willingness to do whatever it takes to win games. I'm
Speaker 1: willing to bet that it will be fine with him
Speaker 1: if Zeke has to sit, Go ahead and load the
Speaker 1: wagon up on eighty eight and see what happens. You
Speaker 1: say Zeke has to sit. Jason Garrett said yesterday that
Speaker 1: he expects Elliott to play game in the dress rehearsal
Speaker 1: game against the Raiders Saturday night. That would be tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: I guess no. Week's all jacked up. He's keep track
Speaker 1: of the days. Yeah, he's gonna play. Jalen Smith is
Speaker 1: expected to play. So you know this, this will be
Speaker 1: the best chance to see this team against the good
Speaker 1: football team and the Raiders. It'll be that their dress
Speaker 1: rehearsal as well, So this will probably be the best
Speaker 1: chance for a couple of quarters at least to see,
Speaker 1: you know, good football with two good teams with a
Speaker 1: lot of star players. I'm anxious to see how the
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense plays against this offense. Physical offensive line, heck,
Speaker 1: they go against that every day in practice, physical running game.
Speaker 1: But really a good young quarterback, you know, another number
Speaker 1: four if you want to say that, they have to
Speaker 1: deal with the receivers on the outside, quality, better cover,
Speaker 1: They make quick throws, ball gets up the fields. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if they're if they're not mindsets not right, even in
Speaker 1: the preseason game, even for a couple of series, you know,
Speaker 1: the Raiders will find a way to embarrass you offensively,
Speaker 1: So you better figure that out real quick to play.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that he's been practicing like
Speaker 1: he's gonna play, and I would I would think that,
Speaker 1: you know, he got some action last week, so I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that, Yeah, I think that we'll probably see him
Speaker 1: again this week because he and they've been kind of
Speaker 1: regulating him and Mayo also, all right, he got into
Speaker 1: practice yesterday, right, and you know, Nate and I have
Speaker 1: talked about this that it'll still be a good test
Speaker 1: for those those those defensive ends, right, they can do
Speaker 1: you know what and and just a little bit deeper
Speaker 1: let him play. David Irvan love you to death. See
Speaker 1: you when I see you, Demontrey, see you when I
Speaker 1: see you. But I want to see guys play that
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to play in the first game
Speaker 1: against New York, it's so yeah, I want to I
Speaker 1: want to see Charlton get three quarters. I want to
Speaker 1: see it. Man. I want to see uh, the other
Speaker 1: little backup defensive in the fifty six Lenny, I want
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, I want to see Lewis. I want
Speaker 1: to see them play to see if they can play. So,
Speaker 1: you know, and and I know coaches got to do
Speaker 1: what they feel is best for that team. But it's
Speaker 1: two guys. We know it's not gonna be there. Maybe
Speaker 1: a third with with with with Wilson dam maybe Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's some magic is being worked that we don't know about.
Speaker 1: But let's see the guys play. And where are we
Speaker 1: at with the defensive backs? Where are we at? See,
Speaker 1: here's the balancing act they have. On one hand, you
Speaker 1: gotta get the guys ready to play, but on the
Speaker 1: other hand, you still got to find out about some
Speaker 1: guys if they can play, yes, and how well they
Speaker 1: can play because if you look at the secondary right now,
Speaker 1: you got your top three guys. Now with Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: back out there, who's next. Yes, that's where it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, because the next guy up was Leon McFadden. Right,
Speaker 1: he's out, He's out. So now we're down to Duke, Thomas,
Speaker 1: Sammy Seemster. I don't know, is there anybody? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he has I'm saying about And to Nate's point,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with seeing Duke and White out there playing
Speaker 1: the whole time. I mean, in the second I need
Speaker 1: to figure out which one of the two can make
Speaker 1: the fifty three. Yeah, and then you know what, and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna get one more shot at it a
Speaker 1: Thursday that you know, to see if okay, here, it
Speaker 1: was round one, now it's round two. I'm playing these
Speaker 1: guys to try and figure out the fifty three. Those guys,
Speaker 1: I'm met. I understand Scandrick's been nice. Brown can use
Speaker 1: some work. You're absolutely right about that, But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: more interested in seeing these younger guys step up, and
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to figure out there's last few spots. Well,
Speaker 1: same thing on the offensive line, right, Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: six guys that you can depend on. Talking to some
Speaker 1: of the higher ups around it, you know they like
Speaker 1: certain guys, but I can't get no consistency in the
Speaker 1: next three or four guys, you know, I can't get
Speaker 1: no consistency and how they're gonna play and who they like.
Speaker 1: So this I think this is the most complete team
Speaker 1: in the Raiders up top to bottom, and we're probably
Speaker 1: the most complete team they have played top to bottom.
Speaker 1: Because we all agree. After your top uh six five linemen,
Speaker 1: we like everybody else in the league, we're one linement
Speaker 1: away from getting injured. And I'm talking about the three
Speaker 1: big dogs that we have. One of those guys get injured,
Speaker 1: we are back like the average team in the league.
Speaker 1: So we gotta you know, anywhere I like the countles,
Speaker 1: you know, and keep it going. But I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you this game. To me, it's more five defense, even
Speaker 1: though Lyle Collins got a MAC the deal with another
Speaker 1: you know, but this is five defense because this this team,
Speaker 1: he're gonna run and this scene can throw. So we'll see,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, we're gonna take our first break here,
Speaker 1: give us a call. Two one four eight seven two
Speaker 1: twenty one O two. We will take some calls here.
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Speaker 1: Newton Brian brought us Mickey Spagnol. I'm Nick Eatman. We
Speaker 1: got a little bit of everybody from the shows. I
Speaker 1: got a big event going on here, probably right now
Speaker 1: on the other side of this campus, if that's what
Speaker 1: we're calling it. Yeah, the Omni Hotel is having a
Speaker 1: ribbon cutting ceremony. I think they've been open for a
Speaker 1: little bit here, but I came in a little late
Speaker 1: this morning. I'm lucky I found a parking spot, but
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah, there's a lot going on here, right,
Speaker 1: A lot going on yetel yea it is is definitely
Speaker 1: a beautiful hotel. Just one of many things that just
Speaker 1: keep just seems like every six months or so. There's
Speaker 1: then there's the hospital. We'll be coming up here and
Speaker 1: partament complex is all over the place. All right, let's
Speaker 1: go to the phone lines here. We've got Johnny from
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. Hey, guys, how are you doing today?
Speaker 1: I just have a I have a comment, and I
Speaker 1: have a question. My question is how important really is
Speaker 1: it to have veteran experience in that quarterback groop? I
Speaker 1: mean to me, you have Jason Garrett, who was an
Speaker 1: ex quarterback. You know, he got Lenahan. That's pretty good
Speaker 1: at I'm guessing coach to coaching these quarterbacks up, how
Speaker 1: important really is it to have it there? If you
Speaker 1: were to keep Rush as your backup quarterback. They did
Speaker 1: it last year with Dak And I'm just wondering about
Speaker 1: that how important it really is? And my comment basically
Speaker 1: is on this whole national anthem protest. You know, I
Speaker 1: believe Conn Coppran Kaepernick had every right, you know, stand
Speaker 1: up for his rights. I just believe that his platform
Speaker 1: was a wrong, wrong way to go about it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I was in the Marine Corps for four years, and
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't fight for people's rights to be
Speaker 1: being shot on the middle of the street. But I
Speaker 1: also didn't do it for people being protests of that
Speaker 1: national anthem. I mean, that's I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts. I'm really frustrated. I'm having a hard time
Speaker 1: getting my thoughts together, but I just wanted to hear
Speaker 1: his comments about it. Thank you. Okay, let me get
Speaker 1: the first part of it. I think you kind of
Speaker 1: forgot another big part there. Wade Wilson played in the
Speaker 1: league for forty four years and he's been around a while,
Speaker 1: so that's another one. I do think it matters, though,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I think that when they come off the field.
Speaker 1: I think having those those veteran guys in practice, I
Speaker 1: think it matters a little bit. He's probably saying, would
Speaker 1: they be okay if it's just Dak and Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: Here's where it matters. If he has to play, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not going to practice. Gets half a dozen snaps
Speaker 1: a week and then it's like, okay, go save the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when the experience matters under center. Think about that.
Speaker 1: Washington tried it a few years ago with Griffin as
Speaker 1: the starter. I think Kirk Cousins was the backup. There
Speaker 1: might have been a veteran in there. I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1: I know they drafted Kirk Cousins, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if there was another one. But that's a good point.
Speaker 1: I mean, these veteran guys know how to get themselves
Speaker 1: ready despite not having that. They understand mental reps. But
Speaker 1: the guy from you know, played in the MAC you know,
Speaker 1: and wasn't even drafted. Yeah. See, I remember I was
Speaker 1: part of a team that struggled with this one time
Speaker 1: because we did it with Farv, Burnell and Detmer. We
Speaker 1: had all three were really young quarterbacks, not not many
Speaker 1: starts with those guys, and Mike Holmgren just said, let's
Speaker 1: just fight the bullet and go for it. And you know,
Speaker 1: if we don't, you know, I don't need And Mike
Speaker 1: had come from some programs where you know, you had
Speaker 1: Montana and Steve Young and and you know, and various
Speaker 1: guys like that, you know, guys trying to fill in
Speaker 1: Elvis gerback and you know people like that. But he said,
Speaker 1: let's just do it. Let's just you know, let's if
Speaker 1: we don't find a quarterback that's any better, let's just
Speaker 1: go with these young guys and see what happened. So
Speaker 1: personal departments do struggle with this all the time. They
Speaker 1: struggle with you know, can we go with it? You
Speaker 1: feel good about your starter, you feel good about his health.
Speaker 1: You know, you never know, but Mickey's absolutely right. You
Speaker 1: don't want to. You don't want to dance with that. Uh,
Speaker 1: you don't want to dance with that problem until you
Speaker 1: absolutely have to. But you also want to be prepared
Speaker 1: if something does happen. And Kellen Moore is one of
Speaker 1: those rare players that if they he's a veteran guy
Speaker 1: for SAE, but he's still eligible for the practice squad.
Speaker 1: So if they did decide a part ways with him,
Speaker 1: he is eligible come back and play on the practice
Speaker 1: squad and could kind of do the things that you
Speaker 1: would want to help those young guys in the room
Speaker 1: and not take up a spot. All right, let's play
Speaker 1: some games, got it? Yeah, Brian, what do you got
Speaker 1: for us? It's called out of the box. Out of
Speaker 1: the box, here we go, and it's just going to
Speaker 1: throw out questions. Each one of you can answer the question,
Speaker 1: not specifically to the guy, but I want to know
Speaker 1: I would not want to cut from this position. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the most difficult position to have to
Speaker 1: make a cut from on this roster. I would not
Speaker 1: want to have to make a cut from this position.
Speaker 1: Meaning gets so complicated the quality of the player you
Speaker 1: want to cut Leco Gathers, you wouldn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it nah now because he
Speaker 1: he to me, I think he's a better than nice
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But we got to give him time the block,
Speaker 1: and if we cut him and he don't come back
Speaker 1: to us, would you put him on ir Yeah, in
Speaker 1: a heartbeat, Yeah, that's that's kind of where I would
Speaker 1: I would go that route I put him in. But
Speaker 1: I like what you say, because I said yesterday I
Speaker 1: thought the tight end was really the one position I
Speaker 1: felt the best about on this football team. To me,
Speaker 1: my position would be wide receiver. I think Noah Brown
Speaker 1: has done some things that you know are intriguing. I
Speaker 1: think Andy Jones has done some things. Um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you get either one of them back, maybe you could. Um,
Speaker 1: you have to look down the road a little bit there.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got Daz getting a little bit older,
Speaker 1: but I mean he's still got several years with him.
Speaker 1: Bryce is on a one year deal. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're gonna have to resign Beasley here within
Speaker 1: a year or two. I would think so though. That
Speaker 1: would be a tough position to try to just cut that,
Speaker 1: cut that down, because you need to just go with five.
Speaker 1: But Brown or Jones or both. It's amazing, man, h
Speaker 1: Jones just was lighting it up and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden get injured. Yea, and Brown the sides the fumble,
Speaker 1: he just been he's been on fire. Yeah, he's been
Speaker 1: on fire. Man. How about uh, since there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a cloud over it, how about running back? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You want want to put Rod Smith out on the street.
Speaker 1: What you're talking about? That name? You know Ron Smith
Speaker 1: played played specialty and and and and and I will
Speaker 1: see this week. Let him run with the second team.
Speaker 1: Let him well, we don't have a second team offensive line.
Speaker 1: We just got first team and then some guys. So
Speaker 1: let him let him run. That's a fair point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Does that? Does that go for the evaluation of the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback too? By the way, me on the backup
Speaker 1: quarterback ground, No, I mean the offensive line's inability, right
Speaker 1: these guys that guy too. Yeah. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: you gotta give uh rushed it the ball second. You
Speaker 1: gotta give him the ball a second because if he
Speaker 1: continue to do what he does, you know, calling Mike Holroom,
Speaker 1: let's bike the bullet man and do I'm not about
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be in a position to to lose.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose with you know, and this kind of
Speaker 1: come from Jim. I'm gonna lose with people I cant
Speaker 1: future with yea, unless Keller Moore it is my future,
Speaker 1: and that's just the way we have decided in our
Speaker 1: in our locker room, then I'll go. I'll ride Keller
Speaker 1: Moore is as much as the next guy. But if
Speaker 1: that is not your decision, which I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta get his kid a chance, uh, and not
Speaker 1: to fail, but to prosper because he's a game. But
Speaker 1: he he played with four fifth and six teamers and
Speaker 1: he came above them. So let's see what he can
Speaker 1: do with second teamers. Next question, right, who is the
Speaker 1: next Jeff Heath on special teams? Smith? Rod Smith on
Speaker 1: special teams? Yeah, who's the next Jeff Heath on special teams?
Speaker 1: Who's that guy? I'm gonna go with Duke Thomas, bell
Speaker 1: cow guy. I think he's always ben there first made
Speaker 1: you wait with Duke Thomas. Yeah, I think I like
Speaker 1: the way he runs down there. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good gunnery. He's gotta make the team. But
Speaker 1: about Cavon Frasier, that was a good get right there.
Speaker 1: Good Yeah, kind That's what I was always gonna pick
Speaker 1: up a fun interception because he'd let you get in
Speaker 1: mud get you like Smith? You say, Rod Smith? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for this guy big time. Yes, you can
Speaker 1: tell well he's on kickoff coverage. Oh yeah, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be better. He said he will be better. He
Speaker 1: said he he's gonna be I like what I like.
Speaker 1: And Jeff Eve gonna he's Jeff Heath too though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good with Mickey's answer too. I was kinda think
Speaker 1: when I wrote this question, I was thinking of Cavon
Speaker 1: Frasier's who I was thinking of. Okay, next question, what
Speaker 1: position would you like to see them trade a selection
Speaker 1: for Oh, that's a good one election for. I mean
Speaker 1: what position would you like to see them from another
Speaker 1: team trade a pick for? Trade a player for a pick? Noe,
Speaker 1: pick give up? What are your picks? Like? You have
Speaker 1: the third round pick for somebody else's position you want
Speaker 1: to go get? Okay, I need I need a veteran
Speaker 1: back up offensive tackle. Yep, I need it too. So
Speaker 1: you're saying that, You say, if you you guys are
Speaker 1: willing to part with a pick, he said offensive tackle?
Speaker 1: Tackle or guard? What do you think I'll go with tackle?
Speaker 1: Because we we we can we can get by a guard.
Speaker 1: But you know, because Chaz Green right now is both.
Speaker 1: He's the first guy up on both. If something happened
Speaker 1: to Tyrone, let's say he is he's starting this week
Speaker 1: at left guard. He's starting the left guard. Something happened
Speaker 1: to Tyrone or either my man ull he's that guy,
Speaker 1: he's he's to me. Now, that's what I would do.
Speaker 1: But they may want to put uh Bill Edwards out there.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I You've seen enough of that, haven't you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But you know I'm gonna make some people happy with
Speaker 1: saying that but you're absolutely right, and and doing that
Speaker 1: is not what is the uh right because now to
Speaker 1: fix one, Yeah, defensive line does nothing for you there,
Speaker 1: you can really you're gonna roll with this. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna roll with you there because I don't think we've
Speaker 1: seen enough of Neil. We ain't seen enough of a
Speaker 1: lot of these young guys. You know. Uh, I understand
Speaker 1: the rotation thing and playing fast and all of that,
Speaker 1: but some of these guys gotta just suck it up
Speaker 1: and short show if they want to be on this scene.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that there's there's a spot to
Speaker 1: get a defensive tack or defensive vand but maybe not
Speaker 1: to draft one because if you I mean, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to trade a draft pick because you are getting those
Speaker 1: guys back. Um, yes, no more and Irving so whoever
Speaker 1: you know you bring in and that's only going to
Speaker 1: cause a little bit more issues. I think that I
Speaker 1: think Mickey's right. I think offensive tackle is is the
Speaker 1: one spot where you know, it doesn't look like it's
Speaker 1: gonna get cleared up running back corner. No, you don't
Speaker 1: drafted all these guys. Think that those guys he brought
Speaker 1: up a really good he said the word veteran, which
Speaker 1: is really I mean you trust I'm just asking could you?
Speaker 1: But you made that decision. Yeah, you drafted all these
Speaker 1: guys and now you whether it's in training camp or
Speaker 1: whether it's slowly bringing them along doing the see, you
Speaker 1: got to look at them. No, I'm with you. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. Just gotta get them healthy. Yeah, the problem
Speaker 1: is you don't know right now. Well you know what
Speaker 1: the day figure it out. I got the deep rows
Speaker 1: and some seams, but I agree with Mickey on on
Speaker 1: the offensive line. That to me, and that's when we
Speaker 1: lost the kid to Denver and Freed been retired or
Speaker 1: semi retired or whatever position he's in right now. That's
Speaker 1: been my battle cry when we first found out about
Speaker 1: Zeke in his six game suspension, Nick, tell you they
Speaker 1: what do you think? Well, I'm murder about left. You
Speaker 1: know that because with the offensive line, it gives us
Speaker 1: a chance for if our offensive line is is solid, now,
Speaker 1: our quarterback is solid. If our offensive line is not solid,
Speaker 1: then our quarterback it's not solid. Now we're gonna be
Speaker 1: like hiss dact the guy because you I don't care
Speaker 1: who you are. You can't tell the team by yourself.
Speaker 1: All right, Ryan Switzer, it's going to solve your punt
Speaker 1: and kick off return problems. He still got a slight
Speaker 1: hand me. He's practicing now, Okay, limited though, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he practiced on team during team. Yes, right, it's
Speaker 1: been catching the punts and kickoff returns. But going in,
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer is going to solve your punt and kickoff
Speaker 1: return problems. Very catching. Yep. I think I think he'll help. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that it's a problem.
Speaker 1: I think he helps it. Yeah, your word? Um, I
Speaker 1: mean Beasley can always catch punts? About can Ryan Switzer
Speaker 1: is right. I don't think we're gonna give you return him.
Speaker 1: He's not the kickoff return guy. He's been practicing. Has
Speaker 1: been fattened though. Yeah, but now if he's got a start,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's what I'm saying. They might use
Speaker 1: those spots. Are you sure that Rod Smith couldn't take
Speaker 1: that kickoff and come back with it? I mean, I
Speaker 1: know he's the safety guy, but give him the ball,
Speaker 1: big strong guy running right at these guys going on
Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour. This team, this team had
Speaker 1: struggled with kickoff with punt returns last year, didn't they? Yeah? Yeah, bad, badly, badly,
Speaker 1: and I mean always go with death. Well, Lacy was
Speaker 1: out there catching a few. I'm surprised you guys weren't
Speaker 1: more adamant about that. Did you guys didn't see that
Speaker 1: as an issue last year? I did. I did become
Speaker 1: like this dude, I think he'll help. But at the
Speaker 1: ball that like they get three yards and I mean
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Switzer is gonna change the field for
Speaker 1: you a couple of times myself. Oh, he ain't gonna
Speaker 1: change the field if those guys on the outside don't
Speaker 1: block better than they do. If if anyone can be
Speaker 1: better than change the fires, that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: If anyone can be an improvement from number fourteen, Lance Lenore,
Speaker 1: that's not the punt returner, are you not? Just like
Speaker 1: every time he's back there holding your breath. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: gonna catch it. And I saw it when I saw
Speaker 1: that Rams game calling that. I saw that ball and
Speaker 1: it goes in the sun and goes to shadows. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is not good. This is not good. Thomas or
Speaker 1: White for the fifty three at corner? Good Thomas or White?
Speaker 1: Like oh, Duke Thomas. I think Duke better. I didn't
Speaker 1: know much about Duke when all I saw for like
Speaker 1: two weeks in training camp was Duke getting burned. And
Speaker 1: then I saw Duke playing the game and he did great.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm gonna take the veteran gal over
Speaker 1: White at this point, mark kids white as witching m Yeah,
Speaker 1: I might just white. He made it. I saw what
Speaker 1: I saw, what he saw, yeah, camp, and it was
Speaker 1: he was getting you. You've been, you've been kind of
Speaker 1: you've been. I'm not saying shined away, but you've kind
Speaker 1: of put brakes on Duke talk. I mean, he's had
Speaker 1: he had a nice game playing the second half and
Speaker 1: rams who's he playing against? But we'll see this week
Speaker 1: because he's gonna have to go right, Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we got one more, one more, here we go. Has
Speaker 1: Noah Brown done enough to keep him on the fifty three?
Speaker 1: Andy Jones was my pick? But no the kid is
Speaker 1: I think kid is pressing. Man, the kid is pressing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's pressing enough to be on someone for the wet blanket.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just I gotta go short somewhere else. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, and I gotta go long on
Speaker 1: the defensive Well, let me ask you. The suspensions are
Speaker 1: going to help him on the defensive line right real quick.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna go long in the secondary. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go long at linebacker. Yeah, you're gonna go long and
Speaker 1: tight end and running running back. You may go long
Speaker 1: at quarterback. I'm gonna go long at running back. You
Speaker 1: got three running backs at the fullback. Well, maybe with
Speaker 1: a suspension if he if he yeah, then he comes
Speaker 1: back and then you cut mor Yeah. I'm just asking you.
Speaker 1: How about this? Can rush spit rush? Can rush spit
Speaker 1: the bit these last two games for you? Everybody's him
Speaker 1: on the fifty three? Yeah, can rush rush. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. He's got to play better than he's practice.
Speaker 1: Doubt about that. Yeah, you said it the other day.
Speaker 1: It's a little pressure. Pressure is hitting him. Let's see
Speaker 1: if we can get this phone call real quick before
Speaker 1: we go to break Tony from El Paso. We lost Tony.
Speaker 1: Tony can't ask a question. We're talking about Romo. We
Speaker 1: lost Tony. I won't robo back. All right, Well, let's
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Speaker 1: You know what I called her the day and then
Speaker 1: I asked the question about who's calling the faith on defense.
Speaker 1: But I think what I was trying to get to is,
Speaker 1: I know, Mary, he's a good defensive line coach, but
Speaker 1: calling the plays, it's like a different art. You think
Speaker 1: said if he's very good at calling the plays, because
Speaker 1: I noticed that's in the playoff games. You know, we
Speaker 1: got two weeks to prepare and it was kind of
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Speaker 1: two different roles? So he's one and two offensive coordinator, right,
Speaker 1: he's one and two as the head coach. One two,
Speaker 1: one in two yeah, same same record, same record. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now if you look at something to change, Rob marionellis
Speaker 1: her sorry, Yeah, that it is what it is. They
Speaker 1: play basic basic defense. They slide guys back and forth.
Speaker 1: We've been seeing where they've been slanting the guy, bringing
Speaker 1: the linebacker feeling and then bringing the guy over the
Speaker 1: top just to cover for them. So you what you
Speaker 1: see is what you get. Uh. Well, they just have
Speaker 1: to play good at what they do and they will
Speaker 1: go three man line sometime and nickel they will uh
Speaker 1: do a few things on the back end, but they
Speaker 1: keep they keep it simple, sir. Everybody falls in love
Speaker 1: with blitzing. Just because you blitz doesn't mean you get there.
Speaker 1: And when you fail blitzing, you're in trouble. So I
Speaker 1: think I mean calling plays. I assume that's what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. Coordinated defense. So keep an eye on when
Speaker 1: they go to their three man front with two linebackers
Speaker 1: and the linebackers are in the holes, they're in the gaps,
Speaker 1: and they decide which one of those guys, if not
Speaker 1: both are coming. So it could be a five man rush,
Speaker 1: could be a four man rush, but the offense doesn't know,
Speaker 1: and they've been practicing that quite a bit. So my
Speaker 1: guess is they're going to use it along with a
Speaker 1: three man line with extra dbs, right and less linebackers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's two things you need to look at.
Speaker 1: We all were here for the Rob Ryan administration where
Speaker 1: it just seemed like chaotic defense calls, getting in late.
Speaker 1: Ten men on the field, That to me is not
Speaker 1: a way to play football. This team last year, defensively,
Speaker 1: was one of the best in the league when it
Speaker 1: came to not allowing plays of over twenty yards. You know,
Speaker 1: they're one of the best teams in the league. When
Speaker 1: it came to rush defense, was the best, top five
Speaker 1: in scoring defense. If the way that Nate's describing and
Speaker 1: Mickey's describing the way to play defense is to play
Speaker 1: it simple but be sounded doing it. I don't think
Speaker 1: you should have a fault with that. I really really don't.
Speaker 1: I do remember the Rob Ryan administration days where ten
Speaker 1: guys on the field, players looking at each other, ball snap,
Speaker 1: Now it's a huge play. Give me, give me sound,
Speaker 1: give me less flash if you want to say an
Speaker 1: occasional I think he plays the strength of his players.
Speaker 1: You know, he realizes he doesn't have an elite pass rusher,
Speaker 1: so he has to do things to try and help
Speaker 1: that way. Orlando Scandrick on some slot blitzer I think
Speaker 1: is always going to be something that he's going to
Speaker 1: go to. But if they continue not to give up
Speaker 1: big plays in the game. They give up one big
Speaker 1: play in the game really against the Packers, and it
Speaker 1: costs him the game on third and twenty. Other than that,
Speaker 1: they've been rock solid the whole year. Elite Collins can
Speaker 1: grow and what he did last year, that's all the
Speaker 1: games you need. Yeah's all the stunts you need. Cover
Speaker 1: three technique is blowing up field and penetrating rum and pass.
Speaker 1: You're looking at a whole different defense, I promise you.
Speaker 1: And just hold your breath till David Irvin gets back. Right.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go back to the phone line. Here
Speaker 1: we go, Bill in Shreveport. Hi, guys, how you doing good? Bill?
Speaker 1: It's kind of a silly question, but I'm want to
Speaker 1: ask anyway, once you retire like before you did, and Momo,
Speaker 1: and what is what is the timeline for them to
Speaker 1: come back? Can they come back at wheel or they
Speaker 1: have to sit out a year? What is the deal
Speaker 1: on that one? All right, it's not that silly. I
Speaker 1: mean no, it's not silly that gets hurt. We'll be
Speaker 1: asking that question real quick. Romo hadn't filed this paper shot, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And even if you file your papers like I don't
Speaker 1: know if Mark ron Lynch did or not, but you
Speaker 1: just got to remember just because you retire doesn't make
Speaker 1: you a free agent. So you can retire, and if
Speaker 1: the team doesn't turn your name in too, because they
Speaker 1: can put you on reserve retired. Romo was cut, right,
Speaker 1: Romo doesn't for that, right, Doug Free retired and they
Speaker 1: probably put him on reserve. I mean, I know for
Speaker 1: a fact that, and I don't know how many years
Speaker 1: it lasted. Tech Shram could not bring himself to give
Speaker 1: up on Roger Starbach. So even though Roger retired for
Speaker 1: twenty years, he left him on reserve, retired, he didn't
Speaker 1: release his rights because then when you do that, then
Speaker 1: the guy can come back and he's a free agent,
Speaker 1: go where he wants. So yeah, and then the other
Speaker 1: thing about retiring is I don't know how this affects it.
Speaker 1: Maybe Nate knows. Is when you decide you can start
Speaker 1: taking your pension, you got a file papers and all
Speaker 1: that stuff like that. But right, the bottom line is,
Speaker 1: I mean, once the guy retired, how many guys you know,
Speaker 1: it's only a few guys that that stop that continued
Speaker 1: to work out at the pace that they did to
Speaker 1: maintain the ability to play. So we know why you
Speaker 1: asked that question. Tony's got a lot of work to do. Brother.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he doesn't look like a guy that yeah football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got a lot of work to do. If ya,
Speaker 1: if y'all, if you look at Tony, his offseason body
Speaker 1: is already in effect. You know, that might be the
Speaker 1: only position I think you could unretire and get away
Speaker 1: with it, because there's such a vacuum for quarterbacks. Everybody
Speaker 1: needs a quarterback, right, So that's why you don't give
Speaker 1: up on Brett five if he wants to come back
Speaker 1: and play. But if you're an offensive lineman and you
Speaker 1: lay out two years, you ain't playing, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're a running man. But yeah, right, if you're a
Speaker 1: running back and you spent two years not getting hit
Speaker 1: and you're gonna say, yeah, I let me go back
Speaker 1: and get hit again, I don't buy it. That's why
Speaker 1: I worry about head coaches that say they retired and
Speaker 1: then five years later, all of a sudden, the fires
Speaker 1: burning again. You never come back and work as hard
Speaker 1: as you did originally. When you're trying. Vermil formil is
Speaker 1: the one guy that I and only because I saw
Speaker 1: a football life on him not too long thick for
Speaker 1: Meal almost got fired if you think about the Rams. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: before he won the Super Bowl. Ya, Tony Banks is
Speaker 1: the only reason I know this, yeah, is because I
Speaker 1: spent in nineteen ninety eight. I would I saw six
Speaker 1: Ram football games because I was scouting for Jacksonville and
Speaker 1: the one place I could get into to watch it
Speaker 1: was the press box was in Saint Louis, and so
Speaker 1: they were nice enough to have me there. But Dick
Speaker 1: vermil really was on his way out. Charlie Army, the
Speaker 1: general manager. That's what they made the deal, you know,
Speaker 1: to try and and and get their quarterback situation squared up.
Speaker 1: But Trent Green gets blown up. They don't know what
Speaker 1: they have. And you talk about somebody that doesn't know
Speaker 1: what they have at quarterback fell into that. They fell
Speaker 1: right into that one. So yeah, Dick VERMILLI it was
Speaker 1: very very close. It was very close to him. Was
Speaker 1: his offensive Do you remember his offensive coordinator? Yeah? Might
Speaker 1: have been Mike Martin and Mike was right yeah, or
Speaker 1: quarterback coach. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was got his name back in the news, didn't he. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, real quick before we end this show, I
Speaker 1: feel like we kind of rushed that last question or two,
Speaker 1: especially the one about the punt return. You you didn't
Speaker 1: put it on the list if you didn't think it
Speaker 1: was important. What do you think, Brian about I do
Speaker 1: I think that I think that I'm just looking for
Speaker 1: a guy that can change fuel position for this football team.
Speaker 1: This team was one of the best and offensively of
Speaker 1: going on long drives, five minute drives, finishing drives, you
Speaker 1: know that they were one of the best. And I
Speaker 1: was just trying to think of ways what if they
Speaker 1: didn't have to get two or three more first downs
Speaker 1: to drive just because you get maybe this, yeah, this
Speaker 1: guy an average maybe ten to twelve yards or return.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about getting one more first down instead
Speaker 1: of starting at the you know, eighteen, you start to
Speaker 1: twenty eight, you know that that kind of thing. I
Speaker 1: just feel like that they've drafted Ryan Switzer with the
Speaker 1: intent of pushing him to being that guy to where
Speaker 1: he can change the field for you. And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the ball's near midfield. You get the ball
Speaker 1: near midfield, Dak Prescott completes one past Dan Bailey's kicking
Speaker 1: a field goal. Yeah, that's how this is going to work. Well,
Speaker 1: I said this yesterday, and you know the West Welkers,
Speaker 1: the Wayne Curbets, the world and obviously Beasley A. Mendolas.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys in life that look like
Speaker 1: them walking around, you know, and they don't play football.
Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a special person to be able
Speaker 1: to play at that size and be able to play. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll find out if he can do it, you know,
Speaker 1: if he can take these hits and all that and
Speaker 1: hang onto the ball. And yeah, he looks the part.
Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of guys that have
Speaker 1: come through rookie free agents and stuff that just don't
Speaker 1: make it because they're not big enough. You gotta remember
Speaker 1: his bins and stuff like that. You gotta remember his background.
Speaker 1: His background in high school out of West Virginia was
Speaker 1: as a running back when he went to North Carolina.
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of the thought. He's got a
Speaker 1: little of that running back mentality when you watch him
Speaker 1: carry the football, and my experience in him, I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys don't have the advantage I have of watching
Speaker 1: him play a bunch of games at North Carolina on tape.
Speaker 1: When you see the ball in his hands, he's got
Speaker 1: that ability that you know, Beasley catches the ball, gets
Speaker 1: with the cans and get and gets down with switzer Switzers.
Speaker 1: They catch the ball and then run as fast as
Speaker 1: he can, and then he'll take a hit and pop
Speaker 1: back up. But I understand you're concerned about that. I
Speaker 1: just think that he's got that demeanor of fearless, catch,
Speaker 1: secure and then go what Parcels used to say, you
Speaker 1: gotta be crazy to be apartment. Yeah, absolutely, a little
Speaker 1: bit crazy to be that guy. And he catches the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Number one, Hey we had a guy like that, sure,
Speaker 1: Heybay Desmond Howard. Desmond Howard was not a great wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Desmond Howard was a tremendous secure catch, secure catch. And
Speaker 1: what happens is if you get a guy like and
Speaker 1: Mickey wants the blockers to be better on the outside.
Speaker 1: What happened when I saw in Green Bay with Desmond
Speaker 1: Howard is nobody wanted to miss a block. Nobody wanted
Speaker 1: to be the guy that didn't spring the run. So
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the guy's level of blockers comes
Speaker 1: up because they're watching the tape and they're like, oh God,
Speaker 1: you missed that. But if you missed that block, we score.
Speaker 1: If you make that block, we score. And Howard raised
Speaker 1: the level his ability to make people miss. Everybody else
Speaker 1: get their block, and now you're averaging fourteen yards or return.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take deon off the table. I think Dion
Speaker 1: was the best to do it because he was just
Speaker 1: so dynamic. But after him, the two guys that I
Speaker 1: remember as really good part returners for this team were
Speaker 1: probably two of the slower receivers, Kelvin Martin and Patrick Crayton.
Speaker 1: They'd catch the ball, goes straight up the field. That's
Speaker 1: that's yeah, exactly. Don't dance around unless you're Dion, who
Speaker 1: can dance, dance, dance, find it and hit. These guys
Speaker 1: go straight up the field that part return. Y'all talked
Speaker 1: about the Eagles Cowboys ninety one game change the whole franchise.
Speaker 1: That game when Kelvin Martin went straight up the field
Speaker 1: eighty five yards, I thought you were gonna say Reggie Switten.
Speaker 1: He was. It wasn't bad either, It was pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's pretty Oh yeah, the used car salesman from Arkansas. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: playing in the AF two AF two a F two
Speaker 1: signed off the streets. So funny. Starry. We're coming back
Speaker 1: from a game and he's sitting caddy quarter across the
Speaker 1: aisle for me and I'm writing and he's looking over
Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, you got my name in there.
Speaker 1: I'm going It was his first game back. They just
Speaker 1: got a body. He needed a wide receiver. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: can't remember the guy's name. We went to Pittsburgh. He
Speaker 1: was a punt returner in preseason. Fumbled a punt and
Speaker 1: we were flying back from to San Antonio and Mickey
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, but whatever his name will
Speaker 1: say the Smith and he was just like God, Smith,
Speaker 1: hang on to the ball. Guy is sent right behind
Speaker 1: him on the bus and he's just looking He's just dead.
Speaker 1: He's like five am. He's just looking like, yeah, hang
Speaker 1: on the ball, careful on those bust to be careful
Speaker 1: on the bus and then plane. All right, Well that'll
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I think that's a full hour. You know.
Speaker 1: We did pretty good. Yeah, we were here from the
Speaker 1: first Yeah. Sorry, looked like a little short. Mike's gonna
Speaker 1: run over to Omni Yeah, who's winning the fight? Which
Speaker 1: one Saturday boxing match? Well, no, I don't even care.
Speaker 1: They asked Sean Lee that question, and Sean Lee said, somebody,
Speaker 1: it's the boxing match, right, the boxing match. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with the boxer myself, the boxer, Yeah, can't, can't.
Speaker 1: What do you think whether Mayweather? Hey, whether are you
Speaker 1: gonna pay to see it? Is the question? No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm gonna find it in the press box,
Speaker 1: will tell me what happened. I'm gonna find it. This
Speaker 1: is what I think is gonna happen. He's gonna hit
Speaker 1: him so hard that it's gonna get stopped because of
Speaker 1: a cut over his eye. Mayweather, We'll just continue to
Speaker 1: hit him because he's never been hit like that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be a stopping him. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: boxing show. Hey, why not? We could do it? We
Speaker 1: fight in here sometimes a lot, all right for Nate Mickey,
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