WEBVTT - Organizing Playbook Pt.3 | Andrew SoloPod 

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<v Speaker 1>Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I was up? Everybody happy? Uh, Well Monday

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<v Speaker 1>we do record these on Mondays and go live with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But thanks to the great team Nick and Mark and co. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>up and it'll live for you know, as long as

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<v Speaker 1>they let it listen, y'all. I'm extremely excited to be

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<v Speaker 1>back with you, and I hope that everybody's been doing

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<v Speaker 1>well in the meantime in between times. The last time

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<v Speaker 1>we were connected it was spring break for me and

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<v Speaker 1>my family, so it was a little bit away, but

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<v Speaker 1>we did get to tune in and check in with

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<v Speaker 1>each other. And I share with you one this whole

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<v Speaker 1>issue of lowering the barrier of injury that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to to show up to build an organization or a movement,

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<v Speaker 1>or even a group of people of like mind to

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<v Speaker 1>confront a system or to demand something from a system

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<v Speaker 1>can be intimidating. But we talked about the need to

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<v Speaker 1>assemble like minded people so that you're not in this

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<v Speaker 1>work alone to bring down the barrier of entry by

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<v Speaker 1>recognizing that the Montgomery bus boycott did not begin with

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<v Speaker 1>this bigger, bigger frame in mind. They just wanted better treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>The organization that led that effort want a better treatment

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<v Speaker 1>for black people in that city. And from there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we know the rest of the story. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>reality is, if you're if you're trying to have an impact,

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<v Speaker 1>don't burden yourself down with this idea that it's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be the most important, most impactful, most comprehensive thing

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<v Speaker 1>that people are pushing out there that I can join

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<v Speaker 1>or else everything is is pointless or useless, that the big, big,

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<v Speaker 1>big idea is the thing that's gonna get us across

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<v Speaker 1>a finish line. Most movements of fact, I can't even

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<v Speaker 1>think of one. UH began small, very nascent, very local,

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<v Speaker 1>UH and grew from there to really encompass the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to not skip over a few things as

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<v Speaker 1>it relates to what's the type of graph of these

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<v Speaker 1>people that you should be looking to bring into the group.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not trading old water. This is something I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to build upon because I went so quickly last

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<v Speaker 1>week around around this whole idea of a similar team.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some of us like the idea when we're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of bringing the people into this deliberative group or

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<v Speaker 1>work group or action group, folks who are either angry

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<v Speaker 1>about something wanted to change it, either the federal level

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<v Speaker 1>with Trump or the local level with the want to

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<v Speaker 1>be Trump's the minimes that are you know that are

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<v Speaker 1>that are bouncing around. Uh. The The idea really is

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be able to assimilar group that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>stagnate and that you keep moving and building towards something.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it can be cleverer. And some people even

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy maybe be because they're in decidse to themselves, or

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<v Speaker 1>they like to think of the rounded view and the

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<v Speaker 1>rounded perspective and rounded picture on some things before they

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<v Speaker 1>come down and say this is what we ought to do.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the kinds of folks we ought to have

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<v Speaker 1>in the room. And the truth is is I have

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<v Speaker 1>found that that process becomes very very cyclical. You bring

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<v Speaker 1>the argumentative voice into the room, people find themselves being

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<v Speaker 1>taken off track, arguing back and forth. It doesn't become

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<v Speaker 1>an environment that people want to you know, that they

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to participating in. It might satiate you know

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<v Speaker 1>your rowdy you know rowdy bunch, but by and large

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<v Speaker 1>it's a turnoff for most people. And I would just say,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking for the thoughtful debate back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>and all of the arguments around an issue and an

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<v Speaker 1>approach put out there, you know, join a the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Club or some other sort of speaking collaborative or something

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<v Speaker 1>in the community. Because unless you are founding and intentioning

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<v Speaker 1>yourself for that very reason exclusively, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>many people who are trying to do that. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you are, it's all good, go forth and do great things.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're intentioning around having some other kind of impact,

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<v Speaker 1>one that is visible, one that strikes a tone of

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<v Speaker 1>defiance or optimism, whatever it is you're trying to carry out,

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<v Speaker 1>it's real hard to do that when you've invited the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you've invited a contrary and voice into the

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<v Speaker 1>room who is going to find argument with everything and

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<v Speaker 1>would debate upside down the question. And so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want I don't want to be too flagrant about the

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<v Speaker 1>who do we bring into the room. The suggestion last

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<v Speaker 1>week was, you know, invite folks into your space. You're

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<v Speaker 1>organizing space who have some shared like a mind on

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<v Speaker 1>generally what you you think you're organizing around politics locally nationally,

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<v Speaker 1>the mood, the need to diversify the local school board.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, whatever it is for you, that conversation

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be had and needs be had amongst your

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<v Speaker 1>group with input from everybody. And once you all have

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<v Speaker 1>researched and ferreted that out and everybody feels good about

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that you believe you're supposed to do and

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<v Speaker 1>that you want to target toward, then it's extremely important

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<v Speaker 1>that you start to organize yourself in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>gets things done, that moves the ball forward, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>allow you to stagnate in one place. Because I heard

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<v Speaker 1>this phrase number of years ago and has never meant

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<v Speaker 1>and been more potent than as I have grown older,

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<v Speaker 1>And it is don't make the perfect the enemy of

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<v Speaker 1>the good. So just because something is imperfect, don't make

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<v Speaker 1>it the antagonist to good. Good is still good, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes good has to be good enough in that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>given the time you have and what you what you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to produce. Soy pay really close mind and attention

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<v Speaker 1>to that who we're inviting into the group. And then

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<v Speaker 1>another question that is that folks try to approach up front,

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<v Speaker 1>and for those of you who don't, I would recommend

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<v Speaker 1>that you do, uh, start to think about what does

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<v Speaker 1>it mean to have a timeline around this, What does

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<v Speaker 1>your commitment look like, What do we think our you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all in commitment is going to take from us. The

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<v Speaker 1>truth is is that the answer for most people, unless

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<v Speaker 1>you are working up into a date like an election

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<v Speaker 1>date or something along those lines, and your program is electoral,

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<v Speaker 1>most people can't give you a real definitive answer to

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<v Speaker 1>when we're going to start, when we're going to end,

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<v Speaker 1>And we haven't even started talking about our unified vision

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<v Speaker 1>about what the problem is, or what the vision is,

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<v Speaker 1>or what the optimistic thing is that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do for our community. So so so understanding that it

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<v Speaker 1>is a good idea to try to ballpark for folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of a general going rule in this area is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, twenty four convenience, twenty four opportunities to be

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<v Speaker 1>together as a full group. I'm not talking about subcommittees

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<v Speaker 1>and working groups and all that kind of stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean as the group. Twenty four sessions is what you

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<v Speaker 1>would want to plan for now, Maybe that means two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that means meeting twice a month for some of you,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe even more for others of you. But twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four is a good good way to sort of wait

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<v Speaker 1>it and approach it, and then the group can fill

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<v Speaker 1>it out, you know, as you all see fit. But

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want you to think that just because you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have an answer to the question how long this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to last? I mean, the truth is is

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<v Speaker 1>that that's a question for the group. All of us

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<v Speaker 1>are going to input into this what we think we

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<v Speaker 1>need to do, and based off that will determine what

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is going to take. I talked last two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago about the Montgomery bus boycott and the Montgomery

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<v Speaker 1>Neighborhood Improvement Association, the organization I took the lead. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there was supposed to be a one day boycott according

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<v Speaker 1>to the NAACP national release press release on this, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, there was a convening

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<v Speaker 1>on that November fifth, and the church was packed and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody said, we got to continue this until we win.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they knew when they made that decision

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<v Speaker 1>that it would be some three hundred and eighty plus

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<v Speaker 1>days later. Before victory would be had. But I believe

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<v Speaker 1>all of us know today that it was worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>But a timeline can be helpful to people and give

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<v Speaker 1>them some anticipated approach around what an investment in this

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<v Speaker 1>looks like. Lolo, I want to invite you in now

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<v Speaker 1>with any questions that you may you may have. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I put this timer on. Of course I didn't start

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<v Speaker 1>it to like six minutes probably into this, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>still gonna be long. Good to see your friend, Hi, Andrew.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody loves when you I wouldn't even say go on

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<v Speaker 2>your rants, but when when you are in like your

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<v Speaker 2>deep discussions, people love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I I feel real self conscious about it right because

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh god, this is in the weeds. And

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<v Speaker 1>Angela in definitely are going to kill me when they

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<v Speaker 1>see me because they want us to keep it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>forty thousand foot I can. I'm a very excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to dive in to your details.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Angela will laugh at me because I love

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<v Speaker 2>the details, but I did. Okay, so we got a question.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the first questions that I see is can

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<v Speaker 2>you and your own burbiage tell how important it is

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<v Speaker 2>for everyone to show up with their talents and passions

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<v Speaker 2>in this fight. One person should not shoulder all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I couldn't dittoh that enough. Pick up on

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<v Speaker 1>the last part of that first, which is, no one

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<v Speaker 1>person should shoulder this thing alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Leadership is so heavy it is. It is ripe with burnout,

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<v Speaker 1>with resentments and frustrations through the process, and it's inherently

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<v Speaker 1>unfair to have one person always solely accountable for the

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<v Speaker 1>thing to be done, and they never get to really

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<v Speaker 1>absorb and deepen into the actual work that's being done,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, not the committee meetings, not keeping everybody on schedule,

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<v Speaker 1>but showing up at the protests at the town hall

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to be fully present. Leaders need to

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<v Speaker 1>be fed too, and I think one way of feeding

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<v Speaker 1>our leaders is by baking into the pie that we

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to leave you stranded here. We want

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<v Speaker 1>you to be as immersed in this thing as we

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<v Speaker 1>would like to be immersed in it. Leadership does come

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<v Speaker 1>at a cost, but that cost can absolutely be spread

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<v Speaker 1>across a number of us if people are willing to

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<v Speaker 1>lean in in that way, and obviously if you choose

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<v Speaker 1>a leader who recognizes that power is not limited to

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<v Speaker 1>be uh, controled by singular beings. But but power is infinite,

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<v Speaker 1>and the more you share it, the more you get

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<v Speaker 1>of it, the more you bring people into it, the

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<v Speaker 1>more you get to benefit. So so in some ways

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<v Speaker 1>it's also self serving prophecy. And then the first part

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<v Speaker 1>of that, this whole idea around just sort of playing

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<v Speaker 1>your role. Look y'all, I know ain't lebron lebron jay.

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<v Speaker 1>I suck at golf. I break I break driver heads

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, which is not a thing you should

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<v Speaker 1>do if you're a golfer out there, but I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just okay at those things. And I used to

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<v Speaker 1>not really be willing to engage in things unless that

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<v Speaker 1>could be really excellent. But time out for that. We

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<v Speaker 1>got one life to live with the talents that you have,

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<v Speaker 1>with the responsibilities that you shoulder, and with the passion

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<v Speaker 1>that is stiffening your spine against whatever the fight may be.

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<v Speaker 1>Use that channel that and the strength that you bring

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<v Speaker 1>to the to the to the table, not trying to

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<v Speaker 1>replicate somebody else, because guess what, you ain't gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else at that And folks know or pretend to

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<v Speaker 1>when they see one. We want you to keep it

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<v Speaker 1>real deeping into your talent and bring that talent to

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<v Speaker 1>the table. That's why God gave it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I definitely agree with you. I'm always big on

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<v Speaker 2>player role play, yes, so long as.

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<v Speaker 1>We are all in agreement about what the role is. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still playing out of turn right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was that was great advice. People are saying

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<v Speaker 2>great advice. You know, I get this question a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna, you know, surprise you with it. O

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<v Speaker 2>Lord Andrew. Somebody asked somebody email and they said, how

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<v Speaker 2>can they get you to run again? Like? What could they?

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<v Speaker 2>Could they run your campaign?

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<v Speaker 1>Bless it, bless it, bless.

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<v Speaker 2>People are saying that they they need you. So is

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<v Speaker 2>there anything that people could do a first.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what? This is a build off of

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<v Speaker 1>the last question in the last point, which was around

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<v Speaker 1>playing your role to everything. There is a season and

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<v Speaker 1>I try when I can to help people understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>I have held some public facing role as an elected

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be in student government or the county, the state,

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<v Speaker 1>or at the municipal level since I was like seven

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and then serious weight through high school and

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<v Speaker 1>serious way through college with a lot of time just

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<v Speaker 1>being poured into that so much so to the point

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<v Speaker 1>when I didn't have that to get up and look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to anymore. After the November election and I was

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<v Speaker 1>out of office and I lost the office, I was

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<v Speaker 1>aspiring to the absence of that thing that I had become,

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<v Speaker 1>that I wore like it was first nature. Was that

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<v Speaker 1>it caused me to lose myself, and I rolled it

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<v Speaker 1>and I could, I could see it happening, and could

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<v Speaker 1>not help myself up. My energy and effort went into

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<v Speaker 1>into camouflaging it so folks couldn't read.

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<v Speaker 2>It on me.

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<v Speaker 1>But it would but but but it, but it took,

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<v Speaker 1>it took a lot. It's that sifting to remove all

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<v Speaker 1>things except what is absolutely necessary to keep, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that stripping happens, and then you try to be real

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<v Speaker 1>careful about building and scaffolding that back, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to lose my family. I don't want to lose

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<v Speaker 1>my children, I don't want to lose my life. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to lose the field that I have right

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<v Speaker 1>now about what it means to feel liberated in some

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<v Speaker 1>way or at least on the pathway to it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so know this, I'm an obedient. I am increasingly obedient

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<v Speaker 1>to God's guidance in my life. I've tried it my

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<v Speaker 1>way for a long time, and I certainly like to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe lean on some some some added guidance from from

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<v Speaker 1>from from my creator and and the energy that people

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<v Speaker 1>bring into this space. So I a shake the thought

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<v Speaker 1>and know that if God has that for me, there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a force that'll stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>M Yeah, I love that. Well, at least you know

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<v Speaker 2>that everybody loves you and they want you and they

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<v Speaker 2>felt like you were one of the leaders that gave

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of hope. We get those messages all the

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<v Speaker 2>time about just the type of leader that you were

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<v Speaker 2>and are now.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna play this part for a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>Lo Low what you think you don team up me,

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<v Speaker 1>you and the crew.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, listen, y'all. I like this part. I love this part.

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<v Speaker 2>I love doing this and I love, especially when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to media being in this space. So and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that our are the dynamic that we all have

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<v Speaker 2>between myself, between you, the other hosts, even are the

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<v Speaker 2>NLP team behind the scenes. It is like a bridge,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like we are bridging this gap between

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<v Speaker 2>movements that were yeah and new movements, And I just

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<v Speaker 2>I love that this ain't my show though.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we look, I said, we're going to stay on time,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course I started my time are twenty minutes late.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, we've been here forty minutes. Probably I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but they keep telling me, y'all, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to keep this thing within twenty minutes, fifteen to twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I don't want to waste anybody's time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't want to overload you with too much

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<v Speaker 1>of a message in these little, small liquorments that we

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<v Speaker 1>do have, but know that it doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>long and exhaustive to be impactful. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>try and keep them briefing impactful.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that, all right, And last thing I'll say

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<v Speaker 2>is you all make sure that you all leave comments about, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>leave comments about some of the things that you might

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear about when it comes to organizing playbook.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be here every other Tuesday, I mean every

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<v Speaker 2>other Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I just I just want to say look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to when we're back on in another two weeks

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<v Speaker 1>for us to dive into building an agenda in a

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<v Speaker 1>program for your group. How it is that you start

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<v Speaker 1>at the very front end, thinking about what does success

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<v Speaker 1>look like? And then how do we analyze that? How

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<v Speaker 1>do we count it? What they say is if you

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<v Speaker 1>can't count it, it don't matter. And more importantly, that

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<v Speaker 1>big powerful institutions count what does matter. That's part why

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<v Speaker 1>you know this de I think is a big deal

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<v Speaker 1>because if you're not counting, you've already told us where

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<v Speaker 1>your priority is. See look at that rant. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>we end up with a long show. My bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you still with that timeframe, so we're good.

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<v Speaker 1>I said fifteen minutes, so we allow.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's all over, okay, all right, well I'm done.

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<v Speaker 2>We outa here.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrews we ya yo weacha, Well we actua would be

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<v Speaker 1>we're staying here, so we out of here. Native Land

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