1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, was. 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: I was, I was up? Everybody happy? Uh, Well Monday 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this as as a live but 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: we do record these on Mondays and go live with it. 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: But thanks to the great team Nick and Mark and co. Uh. 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: They do a great job of getting it put on 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: up and it'll live for you know, as long as 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: they let it listen, y'all. I'm extremely excited to be 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: back with you, and I hope that everybody's been doing 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: well in the meantime in between times. The last time 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: we were connected it was spring break for me and 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: my family, so it was a little bit away, but 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: we did get to tune in and check in with 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: each other. And I share with you one this whole 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: issue of lowering the barrier of injury that you know, 18 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: to to show up to build an organization or a movement, 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: or even a group of people of like mind to 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: confront a system or to demand something from a system 21 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: can be intimidating. But we talked about the need to 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: assemble like minded people so that you're not in this 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: work alone to bring down the barrier of entry by 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: recognizing that the Montgomery bus boycott did not begin with 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: this bigger, bigger frame in mind. They just wanted better treatment. 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: The organization that led that effort want a better treatment 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: for black people in that city. And from there, you know, 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: we know the rest of the story. And so the 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: reality is, if you're if you're trying to have an impact, 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: don't burden yourself down with this idea that it's got 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: to be the most important, most impactful, most comprehensive thing 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: that people are pushing out there that I can join 33 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: or else everything is is pointless or useless, that the big, big, 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: big idea is the thing that's gonna get us across 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: a finish line. Most movements of fact, I can't even 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: think of one. UH began small, very nascent, very local, 37 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: UH and grew from there to really encompass the world. 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: I want to not skip over a few things as 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: it relates to what's the type of graph of these 40 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: people that you should be looking to bring into the group. 41 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: And we're not trading old water. This is something I 42 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: wanted to build upon because I went so quickly last 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: week around around this whole idea of a similar team. 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: You know, some of us like the idea when we're 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: thinking of bringing the people into this deliberative group or 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: work group or action group, folks who are either angry 47 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: about something wanted to change it, either the federal level 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: with Trump or the local level with the want to 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: be Trump's the minimes that are you know that are 50 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: that are bouncing around. Uh. The The idea really is 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: you want to be able to assimilar group that doesn't 52 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: stagnate and that you keep moving and building towards something. 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: I know it can be cleverer. And some people even 54 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: enjoy maybe be because they're in decidse to themselves, or 55 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: they like to think of the rounded view and the 56 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: rounded perspective and rounded picture on some things before they 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: come down and say this is what we ought to do. 58 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: These are the kinds of folks we ought to have 59 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: in the room. And the truth is is I have 60 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: found that that process becomes very very cyclical. You bring 61 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: the argumentative voice into the room, people find themselves being 62 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: taken off track, arguing back and forth. It doesn't become 63 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: an environment that people want to you know, that they 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: look forward to participating in. It might satiate you know 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: your rowdy you know rowdy bunch, but by and large 66 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: it's a turnoff for most people. And I would just say, 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: if you're looking for the thoughtful debate back and forth 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: and all of the arguments around an issue and an 69 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: approach put out there, you know, join a the Big 70 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: Club or some other sort of speaking collaborative or something 71 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: in the community. Because unless you are founding and intentioning 72 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: yourself for that very reason exclusively, and I don't know 73 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: many people who are trying to do that. But if 74 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: you are, it's all good, go forth and do great things. 75 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: But if you're intentioning around having some other kind of impact, 76 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: one that is visible, one that strikes a tone of 77 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: defiance or optimism, whatever it is you're trying to carry out, 78 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: it's real hard to do that when you've invited the opposite. 79 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: You know, you've invited a contrary and voice into the 80 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: room who is going to find argument with everything and 81 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: would debate upside down the question. And so I don't 82 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: want I don't want to be too flagrant about the 83 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: who do we bring into the room. The suggestion last 84 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: week was, you know, invite folks into your space. You're 85 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: organizing space who have some shared like a mind on 86 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: generally what you you think you're organizing around politics locally nationally, 87 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: the mood, the need to diversify the local school board. 88 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, whatever it is for you, that conversation 89 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: needs to be had and needs be had amongst your 90 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: group with input from everybody. And once you all have 91 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: researched and ferreted that out and everybody feels good about 92 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: the thing that you believe you're supposed to do and 93 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: that you want to target toward, then it's extremely important 94 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: that you start to organize yourself in a way that 95 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: gets things done, that moves the ball forward, that doesn't 96 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: allow you to stagnate in one place. Because I heard 97 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: this phrase number of years ago and has never meant 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: and been more potent than as I have grown older, 99 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: And it is don't make the perfect the enemy of 100 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: the good. So just because something is imperfect, don't make 101 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: it the antagonist to good. Good is still good, and 102 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: sometimes good has to be good enough in that moment, 103 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: given the time you have and what you what you've 104 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: got to produce. Soy pay really close mind and attention 105 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: to that who we're inviting into the group. And then 106 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: another question that is that folks try to approach up front, 107 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: and for those of you who don't, I would recommend 108 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: that you do, uh, start to think about what does 109 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: it mean to have a timeline around this, What does 110 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: your commitment look like, What do we think our you know, 111 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: all in commitment is going to take from us. The 112 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: truth is is that the answer for most people, unless 113 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 1: you are working up into a date like an election 114 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: date or something along those lines, and your program is electoral, 115 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: most people can't give you a real definitive answer to 116 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: when we're going to start, when we're going to end, 117 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: And we haven't even started talking about our unified vision 118 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: about what the problem is, or what the vision is, 119 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: or what the optimistic thing is that we're going to 120 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: do for our community. So so so understanding that it 121 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: is a good idea to try to ballpark for folks. 122 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: Kind of a general going rule in this area is, 123 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, twenty four convenience, twenty four opportunities to be 124 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: together as a full group. I'm not talking about subcommittees 125 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: and working groups and all that kind of stuff. I 126 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: mean as the group. Twenty four sessions is what you 127 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: would want to plan for now, Maybe that means two years. 128 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: Maybe that means meeting twice a month for some of you, 129 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: and maybe even more for others of you. But twenty 130 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: four is a good good way to sort of wait 131 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: it and approach it, and then the group can fill 132 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: it out, you know, as you all see fit. But 133 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: I didn't want you to think that just because you 134 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: didn't have an answer to the question how long this 135 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: is going to last? I mean, the truth is is 136 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: that that's a question for the group. All of us 137 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: are going to input into this what we think we 138 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: need to do, and based off that will determine what 139 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: this thing is going to take. I talked last two 140 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: weeks ago about the Montgomery bus boycott and the Montgomery 141 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: Neighborhood Improvement Association, the organization I took the lead. You know, 142 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: there was supposed to be a one day boycott according 143 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: to the NAACP national release press release on this, and 144 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, there was a convening 145 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: on that November fifth, and the church was packed and 146 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: everybody said, we got to continue this until we win. 147 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: I don't think they knew when they made that decision 148 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: that it would be some three hundred and eighty plus 149 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: days later. Before victory would be had. But I believe 150 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: all of us know today that it was worth it. 151 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: But a timeline can be helpful to people and give 152 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: them some anticipated approach around what an investment in this 153 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: looks like. Lolo, I want to invite you in now 154 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: with any questions that you may you may have. You know, 155 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: I put this timer on. Of course I didn't start 156 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: it to like six minutes probably into this, so it's 157 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: still gonna be long. Good to see your friend, Hi, Andrew. 158 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: Everybody loves when you I wouldn't even say go on 159 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: your rants, but when when you are in like your 160 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: deep discussions, people love it. 161 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: I I feel real self conscious about it right because 162 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: you're like, oh god, this is in the weeds. And 163 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: Angela in definitely are going to kill me when they 164 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: see me because they want us to keep it, you know, 165 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: forty thousand foot I can. I'm a very excuse me. 166 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: I like to dive in to your details. 167 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: I know Angela will laugh at me because I love 168 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: the details, but I did. Okay, so we got a question. 169 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: One of the first questions that I see is can 170 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: you and your own burbiage tell how important it is 171 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 2: for everyone to show up with their talents and passions 172 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: in this fight. One person should not shoulder all of it. 173 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: Oh man, I couldn't dittoh that enough. Pick up on 174 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: the last part of that first, which is, no one 175 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: person should shoulder this thing alone. 176 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: Man. 177 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: Leadership is so heavy it is. It is ripe with burnout, 178 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: with resentments and frustrations through the process, and it's inherently 179 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: unfair to have one person always solely accountable for the 180 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: thing to be done, and they never get to really 181 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: absorb and deepen into the actual work that's being done, 182 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: all right, not the committee meetings, not keeping everybody on schedule, 183 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: but showing up at the protests at the town hall 184 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: and being able to be fully present. Leaders need to 185 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: be fed too, and I think one way of feeding 186 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: our leaders is by baking into the pie that we 187 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: are not going to leave you stranded here. We want 188 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: you to be as immersed in this thing as we 189 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: would like to be immersed in it. Leadership does come 190 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: at a cost, but that cost can absolutely be spread 191 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: across a number of us if people are willing to 192 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: lean in in that way, and obviously if you choose 193 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: a leader who recognizes that power is not limited to 194 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: be uh, controled by singular beings. But but power is infinite, 195 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: and the more you share it, the more you get 196 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: of it, the more you bring people into it, the 197 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: more you get to benefit. So so in some ways 198 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: it's also self serving prophecy. And then the first part 199 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: of that, this whole idea around just sort of playing 200 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: your role. Look y'all, I know ain't lebron lebron jay. 201 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: I suck at golf. I break I break driver heads 202 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: all the time, which is not a thing you should 203 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: do if you're a golfer out there, but I do. 204 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm just okay at those things. And I used to 205 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: not really be willing to engage in things unless that 206 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: could be really excellent. But time out for that. We 207 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: got one life to live with the talents that you have, 208 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: with the responsibilities that you shoulder, and with the passion 209 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: that is stiffening your spine against whatever the fight may be. 210 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: Use that channel that and the strength that you bring 211 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: to the to the to the table, not trying to 212 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: replicate somebody else, because guess what, you ain't gonna be 213 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: somebody else at that And folks know or pretend to 214 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: when they see one. We want you to keep it 215 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: real deeping into your talent and bring that talent to 216 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: the table. That's why God gave it to you. 217 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely agree with you. I'm always big on 218 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: player role play, yes, so long as. 219 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: We are all in agreement about what the role is. Yes, 220 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: I'm still playing out of turn right. 221 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: No, that was that was great advice. People are saying 222 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: great advice. You know, I get this question a lot, 223 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna, you know, surprise you with it. O 224 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: Lord Andrew. Somebody asked somebody email and they said, how 225 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: can they get you to run again? Like? What could they? 226 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: Could they run your campaign? 227 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: Bless it, bless it, bless. 228 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: People are saying that they they need you. So is 229 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: there anything that people could do a first. 230 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: Do you know what? This is a build off of 231 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: the last question in the last point, which was around 232 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: playing your role to everything. There is a season and 233 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: I try when I can to help people understand that. 234 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: I have held some public facing role as an elected 235 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: whether it be in student government or the county, the state, 236 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: or at the municipal level since I was like seven 237 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: years old, and then serious weight through high school and 238 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: serious way through college with a lot of time just 239 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: being poured into that so much so to the point 240 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: when I didn't have that to get up and look 241 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: forward to anymore. After the November election and I was 242 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: out of office and I lost the office, I was 243 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: aspiring to the absence of that thing that I had become, 244 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: that I wore like it was first nature. Was that 245 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: it caused me to lose myself, and I rolled it 246 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: and I could, I could see it happening, and could 247 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: not help myself up. My energy and effort went into 248 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: into camouflaging it so folks couldn't read. 249 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 2: It on me. 250 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: But it would but but but it, but it took, 251 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: it took a lot. It's that sifting to remove all 252 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: things except what is absolutely necessary to keep, and so 253 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: that stripping happens, and then you try to be real 254 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: careful about building and scaffolding that back, because I don't 255 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: want to lose my family. I don't want to lose 256 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: my children, I don't want to lose my life. I 257 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: don't want to lose the field that I have right 258 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: now about what it means to feel liberated in some 259 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: way or at least on the pathway to it. And 260 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: so know this, I'm an obedient. I am increasingly obedient 261 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: to God's guidance in my life. I've tried it my 262 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: way for a long time, and I certainly like to 263 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: maybe lean on some some some added guidance from from 264 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: from from my creator and and the energy that people 265 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: bring into this space. So I a shake the thought 266 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: and know that if God has that for me, there's 267 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: not a force that'll stop it. 268 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: M Yeah, I love that. Well, at least you know 269 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: that everybody loves you and they want you and they 270 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: felt like you were one of the leaders that gave 271 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: a lot of hope. We get those messages all the 272 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: time about just the type of leader that you were 273 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: and are now. 274 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: So we're gonna play this part for a little while. 275 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: Lo Low what you think you don team up me, 276 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: you and the crew. 277 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, y'all. I like this part. I love this part. 278 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: I love doing this and I love, especially when it 279 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: comes to media being in this space. So and I 280 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: think that our are the dynamic that we all have 281 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: between myself, between you, the other hosts, even are the 282 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: NLP team behind the scenes. It is like a bridge, 283 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: Like I feel like we are bridging this gap between 284 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: movements that were yeah and new movements, And I just 285 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: I love that this ain't my show though. 286 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: Well we look, I said, we're going to stay on time, 287 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: and of course I started my time are twenty minutes late. 288 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: So you know, we've been here forty minutes. Probably I 289 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: don't know, but they keep telling me, y'all, we got 290 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: to keep this thing within twenty minutes, fifteen to twenty minutes, 291 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: and so I don't want to waste anybody's time, and 292 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: I certainly don't want to overload you with too much 293 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: of a message in these little, small liquorments that we 294 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: do have, but know that it doesn't have to be 295 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: long and exhaustive to be impactful. So we're going to 296 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: try and keep them briefing impactful. 297 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: I love that, all right, And last thing I'll say 298 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: is you all make sure that you all leave comments about, Yes, 299 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: leave comments about some of the things that you might 300 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: want to hear about when it comes to organizing playbook. 301 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: We will be here every other Tuesday, I mean every 302 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: other Monday. 303 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: And then I just I just want to say look 304 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: forward to when we're back on in another two weeks 305 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: for us to dive into building an agenda in a 306 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: program for your group. How it is that you start 307 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: at the very front end, thinking about what does success 308 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: look like? And then how do we analyze that? How 309 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: do we count it? What they say is if you 310 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: can't count it, it don't matter. And more importantly, that 311 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: big powerful institutions count what does matter. That's part why 312 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: you know this de I think is a big deal 313 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: because if you're not counting, you've already told us where 314 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: your priority is. See look at that rant. That's how 315 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: we end up with a long show. My bad. 316 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: Well you still with that timeframe, so we're good. 317 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: I said fifteen minutes, so we allow. 318 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: But it's all over, okay, all right, well I'm done. 319 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: We outa here. 320 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: Andrews we ya yo weacha, Well we actua would be 321 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: we're staying here, so we out of here. Native Land 322 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with Reason 323 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit iHeartRadio app, 324 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.