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Speaker 1: Just listen to the rim of their horror. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: come again from the Indianapolis Convention Center. Welcome to Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Dan hansis on a a riser filled with heroes,

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Speaker 1: What's that here? How could West not like this? So

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Speaker 1: there just such a great song. It is the lasting

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Speaker 1: great was Money's uh tag today that we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: him on the show later here at the combine? Alright,

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Speaker 1: still going. If Ricky's gonna leave it high the mix,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to it. Beautiful Money and land zer

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Speaker 1: Line are gonna be here a little bit later to

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Speaker 1: give us a primer. I think Connie, you gave me

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Speaker 1: that word earlier. That's right. I'm assisting in words today

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Speaker 1: It's good to have assistance in words, because last night

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Speaker 1: had dinner and drinks and uh. The fact that we're

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Speaker 1: on the stage, Connie shows again a level of professionalism

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Speaker 1: It's for you to um. This is something that I

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Speaker 1: The real gift is the bitterness and yelling that Eric

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Speaker 1: when it hits, it hits you are you're a wonderful woman,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much. We'll give and because we

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Speaker 1: are a gentleman, Erica, you get the first draft pick

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Speaker 1: don't give him. You can have the saying why pay

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Speaker 1: for the cow if you're getting the milk for free? Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's get into the show. Yes, Lance and money, we'll

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling favorite. I remember a feature Chris wrote at

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Speaker 1: big news around the Arizona Cardinals. Obviously we talked about

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Speaker 1: We learned on Wednesday that both general manager Steve Kim

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Speaker 1: getting those negotiations done. Obviously, these negotiations for Kim and

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Speaker 1: Dan Bickley on Wednesday that ownership is very likely seething

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Speaker 1: you also can continue to track Kyler. Instead, they go

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Speaker 1: frustrate the franchise. Course, well, what was up with twenty

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Speaker 1: seven being the extension? What happened to twenty boar who

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Speaker 1: Like when they see their quarterback scrubbing the Instagram and

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Speaker 1: we both got in on Hackett yesterday too, and it

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Speaker 1: bothered Mark. No, no, this is really what you should

428
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Speaker 1: have seen how mad Mark was when he found out

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Speaker 1: that I didn't actually didn't. I actually a minute later

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Speaker 1: turn around and say that I found it refreshing that

431
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: you actually liked one of these coaches. Right. What two

432
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: things about Mark that you you get to know is

433
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: he falls in love easy, and he's very possessive. Well

434
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Speaker 1: that's not all the qualities like, that's that's something that's

435
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: just like you think you know me, but you don't

436
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: know almost two percent of me. Now. I don't want

437
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: to project too much, but I like McDaniel up there

438
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: because he's one thing as a coach that I personally

439
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: think we need more of, which is spacey representation. He

440
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Speaker 1: seems kind of like a space he's a little spacey

441
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Speaker 1: like and I and I've talked to people who worked

442
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Speaker 1: with him and stuff like, he's a little spacey. You know,

443
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Speaker 1: he's mind is drifting. You can have the biggest trait

444
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Speaker 1: of Adam gaze, you gotta grab It's not in a

445
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Speaker 1: bad way because look, I feel I'm a little spacey, emmaca.

446
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Speaker 1: My wife is spacey. We come from long lines of

447
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: families of spacey, and you don't usually see those those

448
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Speaker 1: spacey type of people in the big space bloodlines. It's

449
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Speaker 1: an experiment. Good luck to the men, not too much

450
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Speaker 1: good lucky in the cs, but whatever. That's what's happening

451
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Speaker 1: in the news. All right, let's take a break and

452
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Speaker 1: then we are going to welcome in the great love Smith. Alright,

453
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Speaker 1: this is real exciting. We are very happy to be

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Speaker 1: joined by the new head coach of the Houston Texans,

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Speaker 1: love E. Smith. Lovey, Welcome to the Around the NFL podcast.

456
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Speaker 1: Thanks to have mel exciting day time time of course.

457
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Speaker 1: Uh you know, uh, you know, Texas guy, high school

458
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Speaker 1: product and a chance to lead his professional football team

459
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: is pretty neat, very cool. Plus you get the vibe

460
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Speaker 1: of our show right off the bat. I appreciated you.

461
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Speaker 1: You seem to want to help Colleen when her chair

462
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Speaker 1: started to break as she sat down. Very did not

463
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: a gentleman down south, very little actually that that's that's

464
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Speaker 1: also they also you know you were on the riser

465
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Speaker 1: do in your press. Uh this is impressed is like

466
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Speaker 1: family obviously love me now us talking, but like our

467
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: our colleague Mark Is often laments that men's fashion is

468
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: just not moving forward. But when you have the beard

469
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: like that, that's almost a fashion accessory that raises everything.

470
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: I did want to just know this because you know,

471
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Speaker 1: when we saw you in the past, the beard was

472
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Speaker 1: not part of the milieu. But you've made a sharp

473
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Speaker 1: and wonderful aesthletic right turn here. How did it come about? Well,

474
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Speaker 1: times change and you know, getting older, number one, and

475
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Speaker 1: you can't embracing that a little bit. But you know

476
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Speaker 1: a lot of times you go on vacation you just

477
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Speaker 1: kind of let it go. And I did that one

478
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Speaker 1: summer and uh, my wife of forty two years loved it.

479
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Speaker 1: So it's been with me since. They're like, how how's

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Speaker 1: uh this first month been as Texans head coach. One

481
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Speaker 1: thing that struck me when you were up there, you

482
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Speaker 1: were asked about the Deshaun Watson situation and you said

483
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Speaker 1: you were, uh looking forward to putting it in the

484
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Speaker 1: rearview mirror, that you you couldn't wait for that to happen, Like,

485
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Speaker 1: what will that happening solved one way or another du

486
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Speaker 1: for you as a head coach? Well, just Uh, just said,

487
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Speaker 1: I mean it's there, I mean elephant in the room,

488
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. Um, you know, Sean is

489
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Speaker 1: a heck of a football player, and you know, sometimes

490
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: divorce is a good thing, and but you just wanted

491
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Speaker 1: to play out as much as anything. We're gonna have

492
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Speaker 1: a two season and we need to have clarity on

493
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Speaker 1: some things and uh, but time will do that and

494
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Speaker 1: I'm confident of that and I can't wait for that

495
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Speaker 1: day to get here. You said, you said that excellent

496
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Speaker 1: players need to be playing somewhere just out of curiosity

497
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Speaker 1: when you take over his head coach or the d C.

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Speaker 1: Obviously before so you were in the building, but the

499
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Speaker 1: Sean was well, he was in the building, but he

500
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Speaker 1: wasn't on the team last year and all that. Did

501
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Speaker 1: you have a one on one talk with the Sean

502
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Speaker 1: about whether there was any path forward with him in Houston? Well,

503
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Speaker 1: I I've had uh discussions with with Deshan just from

504
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Speaker 1: you know, last year of him being in the building

505
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Speaker 1: and of course knew who he was and enjoying my

506
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Speaker 1: time talking with him. But uh, we haven't had those

507
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: type of conversations since I became the head football code.

508
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: What are some of the advantages of being able to

509
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Speaker 1: build this thing from the ground up. I feel like

510
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Speaker 1: so many people look at the situation in Houston and

511
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: they talk about how many needs are there, and it's

512
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: all about the negative. But that's got to be positive

513
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Speaker 1: for you to know that you can build this thing

514
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Speaker 1: from scratch almost exactly. And my glass eels have a

515
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Speaker 1: fool and when you do build it from there, I mean,

516
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Speaker 1: your guys coming in, all coming in, we understand the situation,

517
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Speaker 1: but we all look at the opportunity as much as anything.

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Speaker 1: That's what how how my life has played out is

519
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: about getting opportunities. And we have that. We have a

520
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Speaker 1: model on on what we would like for our football

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Speaker 1: team to look like. Uh you know, as I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, being the head football coach er, you kind

523
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Speaker 1: of started the process getting the staff together and guys

524
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Speaker 1: that believe in this way that we're gonna win football games.

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Speaker 1: But it is about the players. The processes started being

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Speaker 1: around Nick, say year. Last year we got a chance

527
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Speaker 1: to you know, get our profiles together on what we're

528
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Speaker 1: looking for at each player. And I think we did

529
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Speaker 1: a pretty good job of getting some guys in last year.

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Speaker 1: But to build on it, you know, from game one

531
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Speaker 1: to game two, there's normally pretty big improvement Year one

532
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: two year two, were expecting a big improvement to I

533
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: mean we saw growth from Davis Mills. Yes we did.

534
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Speaker 1: And you know, you at this point have to You're

535
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Speaker 1: in charge of the whole thing, and you're gonna ask

536
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: you have to get a billion questions about who's gonna

537
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: start Week one and who who it would be? I

538
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: mean Davis Mills. I think we just had some draft

539
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: nicks on us that he would be favorable to any

540
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks in this draft. But do you feel

541
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Speaker 1: like you need to go find competition for him or

542
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: or do you feel comfortable rolling with him at this point?

543
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: Davis Mills in general, I had a chance to be

544
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Speaker 1: around him an awful lot last year. Got a chance

545
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Speaker 1: to see its demeanor, how you handle situations. Uh loved

546
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: everything about him and I his error course is pointed

547
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: that way. But every position on our football team, you know,

548
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: injuries happen, you need more than just one guy that

549
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable with. So that will be our plan,

550
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Speaker 1: as we know, build this model of what our football

551
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: team would look like. He was better than the top

552
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Speaker 1: two picks in the draft. So it's a little it's

553
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: a little sore subject with Danny here. He's a just fan. Yeah,

554
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: it's just that we watched the game the last four

555
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: or five games of the year. It's a fact. I'm bias,

556
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: of course, we start with that, but I did get

557
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: a chance to see and there are some good young

558
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coming up through our league. But I thought Davis

559
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: compared with those guys. So that's why, you know, Stanford

560
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: guy smart. He's a better athlete than people give him

561
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: credit for. Also, so and you know, another year with

562
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Speaker 1: pet Hamilton's you know, coaching in We're excited about it.

563
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Speaker 1: I'm really interested about the perspective that you gained from

564
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Speaker 1: you know, this is your third head coaching job, having

565
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: been in Chicago and Tampa Bay and then going down

566
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Speaker 1: to the collegiate level at Illinois. So what did that

567
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Speaker 1: How did that change the way that you view things

568
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: and and run things. Well, I think every stop along

569
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Speaker 1: the way I learned something. You know, just experience teaches

570
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: you so much. To thousand and four, when I first

571
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: moved into that head coaches seat, there was so much

572
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought I knew and a lot

573
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: of those things, I mean it is different coming in.

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Speaker 1: You know, I said some of the things as simple

575
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Speaker 1: as I'm gonna call defenses. I never understood why you

576
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: become a head football coach and all of a sudden

577
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: you quit coaching. You know, last year is a defense coordinated.

578
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: I coached the nickel positions. So some things like that,

579
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: and and just on how I'm gonna do things, Um,

580
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Speaker 1: the best of who I am and in all experiences

581
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: I've gotten from all those other situations I've been in.

582
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Speaker 1: You know, hopefully the Texans will benefit from that. You

583
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: hear that all the time. As you mentioned that Jets

584
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Speaker 1: Robert Sale, it was written a lot d C in

585
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: San Francisco gets the job. He's in more of a

586
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: CEO role. He's, you know, keeping an eye on all

587
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: sides of the team. But it makes sense if you're expertise,

588
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: if you will is defense, you want that head coach

589
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: to be prominently involved with the defense. So I hear that.

590
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways of doing things, and um,

591
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: but I I feel pretty strongly about that. And you

592
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: look at for some reason to defensive coaches don't do it.

593
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of offensive coaches in our league. They're

594
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: all called plays so again I feel corfortable doing that way,

595
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: and people say, well, there's not there's so much other

596
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: stuff you have to be concerned with. Will Yeah, and

597
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: there's enough time to do that too. I mean, you

598
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: were part of a Tony Dungee staff and then of

599
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: course you had a similar defense in Chicago that changed

600
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: the league because when you installed that Tampa two in Tampa,

601
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: within five or six years, half the league is playing

602
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: your defense essentially, and it's changed over the years. I

603
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: kind of laughed that you got a question about, like

604
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: what do you think about the new too high safety

605
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: trend like taking shape of the league, and you were

606
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: just like, like, do you know who I am? Like

607
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: what what I wanted to ask was like, how is

608
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: your Tampa two though, and your defense now different than

609
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: it was twenty years Yeah? In a laughing way, but

610
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 1: but everyone pause, so you could google my name, sir.

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00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: We will wait, well, because uh, I just think that

612
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: covered two in general. Now you know, most games of

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00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: one based I'm talking defensively based on whether you can

614
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: play man coverage. You have to be able to play

615
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: man coverage, but there's own coverage involve and what it

616
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: is man coverage? Three D you're playing quarters, the corners

617
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: or some positions by themselves. The receivers is too good.

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Speaker 1: That's why I covered I feel like covered two. We

619
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: in our family of defense feel like covered two has

620
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: to be a part of the defensive package, and most

621
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Speaker 1: defensive in NFL have some form of covered two. I

622
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: haven't gone, I can't. I don't know if I've ever

623
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: gone into a game what happens without having some form

624
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: of covered two. I've always wondered, when you're calling a

625
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: game on defense offense, how many people are screaming in

626
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: the headset while you're trying to run the show down. Well, um,

627
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people, but there's a lot

628
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: of people also screaming in the stands. You have to

629
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: be able to lock in, of course, and have Tom

630
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: vision a little bit. But we, of course, we have

631
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: a process we go through and everybody know the role

632
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. But that's not much of Bend issue.

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Speaker 1: Love you Smith, thank you so much for joining us.

634
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: Best of luck. We hope there's resolution at quarterback and

635
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: then it feels like then the franchise could really move forward,

636
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: and it sounds like that could happen soon. But we

637
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: were in a waiting position. But good luck to you

638
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: this season. Thanks for having mel. There goes Levy Smith.

639
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: And also it's time to say goodbye to Connie Fox,

640
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: who is such a busy woman that you have to

641
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: head over across the street to Lucas Oil Stadium. But

642
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: we wanted to thank you. You've said it all. Oh

643
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I and I brought all the gifts.

644
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave the Pringles out specifically. No, I mean,

645
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: are you worried though that the people across the street

646
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: who you're showing up a half hour late for it

647
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: to do this podcast are going to realize where they

648
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: are in the pecking order versus the around the NFL budget.

649
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: It's something I've thought about, Yes, and I'm gonna have

650
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: to smooth some things over, but I can I can handle.

651
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, We'll see you at the Old

652
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: Steakhouse today. Ye, there goes Connie and let's keep the

653
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: show rolling here, Lovey Smith. Nice dude, he's got He's

654
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: gotten three big chairs now. Doesn't happen a lot, and

655
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: he certainly knows this is going to be his last

656
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: shot um to make it happen as I I mean,

657
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: he went to a super Bowl, right, yeah, against the

658
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: Colts historic game. He really this is that's why I

659
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: hate that phrase, like you can't, you can't. You gotta

660
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: put people in the Hall of Fame if you can't

661
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: tell the story of football without him, And it's like that.

662
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't like that because, like I would say, that's

663
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: kind of true of Lovey Smith. I don't think you

664
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: need to put him in the Hall of Fame, but

665
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: I think it's true. He's sort of You should have

666
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: brought that up to the during the Internet, architect of

667
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: the defense that changed the league and was part of

668
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: the first Super Bowl with two black head coaches. It's

669
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: very rare for a blackhead coach to get a third crack.

670
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: It's almost never happened. Only white coaches almost have gotten

671
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: that opportunity over time. So he he's been a part

672
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: of our lives, especially in the NFL for the last

673
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: five years. Who is the last head coach that got

674
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: a third job period? Any head coach? Yeah, well, this

675
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: is why this is why win Western alright, toaster was

676
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: hard sometimes while while Ricky finds out that information, uh,

677
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: let's throw to our next conversation. Uh yes, A favorite

678
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: of Chris Wessling a man that helped rebuild the Bengals.

679
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin, take it away us. All right, this is

680
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: very exciting. We are happy to be joined by Director

681
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: of Player Personnel for the reigning a f C champion

682
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. It's Duke Tobin still as a lifelong football fan,

683
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: a little strange to say that the Bengals have gone

684
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: from a place where they were long for a lot

685
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: of fans um also round status to now becoming a

686
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: superpower almost overnight. How does it feel to be a

687
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: primary architect behind that happening? Well, we we had something

688
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: else in mind, just other than just being a f

689
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: C champ. So um, you know, you get the taste

690
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: of it, you want to get back, you want to

691
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: you want to finish it. And so our focus isn't

692
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: on where we've been. It's not about the past. It's

693
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: it's where we are right now and where we're going.

694
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: And uh but yeah, it feels good, it uh it.

695
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm happy for our players. We had a lot of

696
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: players that kind of came together and uh and and

697
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: really played for each other. And the culture that Zax

698
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: brought is great and so it's nice when that's rewarded

699
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: on the field. We had Brandon Bean on the show

700
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: and he was talking about, you know, the way their

701
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: season ended and heartbreaking fashion against the Chiefs before you

702
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: slayed the Chiefs. Um, have you been able to go

703
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: back and it kind of absorbed the super Bowl and

704
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: how that ended? Uh not really, No, I know how

705
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: it ended. Yeah, I don't know that there's much to

706
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: do about it, right, I got it ended and we

707
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: moved on, and uh is it easy. It's it's not

708
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: easy to move on. I don't know if I'm thoroughly

709
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: over it yet, but I'm I get up in the

710
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: morning and my feet shuffle and here I go. That's

711
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: that's about where I am with it. But no, I haven't.

712
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: I haven't dwelled on it. I I don't go back

713
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: and grind on the tape and see what could have

714
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: been a I know. Yeah, Well it's such a quick turnaround,

715
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, not to make it all about us, but

716
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: it really hurt that taking that extra week out of

717
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: the season, you add one on the back end, then

718
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: you take it out of what normally would be a

719
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: couple of quiet weeks and then you you guys are

720
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: going straight from the super Bowl. Here it's only two

721
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: weeks apart, Like, what has what are those two weeks

722
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: been like trying to catch up? Yeah, it's, um, it's

723
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: your your team evaluation. You're you're planning for free agency,

724
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: you're planning for the combine. You know, our scouts have

725
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: been working at it, so they're they're they're up to

726
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: speed on on what's going on. But um, yeah, it's uh,

727
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: you can't dwell on on what just happened. You gotta

728
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: just you know, grind forward and see you know where

729
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: where you're going. And but yeah, it's there's not a

730
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: lot of time. There's not a lot of time. It's

731
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: a long season, and uh, you know, our players deserve

732
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: arrest for sure. For so many years, the Bengals were

733
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: categorized is is, you know, not spenders and free agency. Uh,

734
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: smaller scouting department, maybe doing things a little atypically to

735
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: some of the other NFL teams. But in recent years

736
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: that's completely changed. You spent a lot of money last

737
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: offseason and then the year before. What happened inside the

738
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: Bengals organization to take on this new approach. I don't

739
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: know on the on the spending thing, I know what said,

740
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's really ever been the truth. Um,

741
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, over the past, uh, you know, the beginning

742
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: of the last c B A, you know, over over

743
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: the different tranches in that we've been an upper half

744
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: of the league spending team. And so I know what's said. Um,

745
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's said, but cash two players.

746
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: We're spending on players, and uh do we We continue

747
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: to do it. Sometimes we spend on our own. Each

748
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: team is different. Sometimes you have to spend to keep

749
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: your own. Sometimes you have to go out and and

750
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: recruit others. And so we've gone out and recruited others

751
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: because our team demanded that. And this year it will

752
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: be a blend. It will be a blend of trying

753
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: to get our guys back that that we know and like,

754
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: and and going out and seeing if there's guys that

755
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: can advance the ball for us. But in terms of

756
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: our scouting staff size, it fits for what we do.

757
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: It's what I want. I like working closely with guys.

758
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: I like having a tight knit group. I like relying

759
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: on the people, uh that that we have. I like

760
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: letting them grow in their role and feeling a sense

761
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: of importance to what we do. So if you got

762
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: the right people. You don't need a ton of people.

763
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: Now you need a ton of people if you don't

764
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: have the right ones, and then good luck determining who's

765
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: this show? How do you? How do you? How do

766
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: you determine who to listen to? If you have a

767
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: ton of people and you don't trust any of them.

768
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 1: But if you've got a small group that you trust,

769
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: you know who to listen to. You think you spend

770
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: a lot again this year because you've got a lot

771
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: of cap space again, well we we will. We will

772
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: use the resources we have to make our team the

773
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: best we can make it. And we've never had restrictions

774
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: in that area, and and we'll continue to do that.

775
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be a blended approach because we've got

776
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: guys that we want back. We've got a number guys

777
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: that we want back, and so we'll see if we

778
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: can make that happen. That's a director of player personnel

779
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: answer that you just got served, Duke uh Tobin. You know,

780
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting because everyone looks at how this season, not

781
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: just how it ended, but the playoffs that Joe Burrow

782
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: struggled to stay on his feet, he got taken out

783
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: a lot in the divisional playoffs, happened again in the

784
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So there is this oversimplification that comes from

785
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: bozos like us to say that's it, Bengals fixed your

786
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: offensive line and you'll be right back in the big game.

787
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it is oversimplified, dude, But

788
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: isn't it also kind of true that it is the

789
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: offensive line that that you have to focus in on

790
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: and improve to take the offense and the team to

791
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: that next level. Yeah, you know the thing. I'll give

792
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: you a player personnel director and they're on this one too,

793
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: because I know you like him. But here here's the thing. Yes,

794
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: the sack numbers were up, but the other data to

795
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: look at is we had two receivers go over thousand yards,

796
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: a third almost we had a running back over a

797
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: thousand yards or quarterback led the league in passer rating

798
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: or maybe with second. We're a top ten scoring team

799
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: and our yards per play we're a top ten yards

800
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: per play team. So the offensive line factors in all

801
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: of that success as well. So, yes, there is the

802
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: piece of sacks, but there's a lot of productivity in

803
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: between those sacks. And and so we've got guys we

804
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: believe in in want to and want to work with,

805
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: and yes, well, we go out and see if we

806
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: can get better. Absolutely, We're gonna go out and see

807
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: if we can get better at every position. But that's

808
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: every off season, that's that's what we that's what we do.

809
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: So yes, is it something that we're going to look

810
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: closely at and see if we can improve. Absolutely, But

811
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit and say that the the offensive

812
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: line is a reason we didn't finish the last two

813
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: minutes of the Super Bowl. But there they all have

814
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: one thing in common. They're all a f C champions

815
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: and and my hats off to them for the job

816
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: that they did there is because everything is saying it's

817
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: true about the production of the offense was excellent. I think,

818
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: and we've talked about on the podcast. We love watching Burrow.

819
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: He's such a great, exciting, charismatic guy that you actually

820
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: get where he has the serious knee injury. Year one,

821
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: he gets takes more sacks than any other quarterback in

822
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: the history of the playoffs. Now they played four games.

823
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: Obviously you've played four games, so that factors in as well.

824
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: But just the idea of yes, he's going to produce

825
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: because he's a baller in that offense is great around him,

826
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: But how do we protect him so he doesn't have

827
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: his career impacted by all these hits. Well, you know,

828
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: I've seen Aaron Donald play against other teams other than

829
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: and and you know, we kind of had murderers row

830
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: defensive line on our path in the playoffs, and and

831
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: those guys do it to other teams other than just us,

832
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: And uh so maybe part of that is, uh, if

833
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: we don't have to play Aaron Donald and Christian christ Jones,

834
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: those guys, you know, Oakland's outside edge guys. And I

835
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: mean we we had Tennessee's defensive line was one of

836
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: the very best in the league. And and so our

837
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: guys had a tough, tough chore and uh, you know,

838
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: hats off to Joe for hanging in there and make

839
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: at work with with a very tough chore for for

840
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: an offensive line with One thing I loved about the

841
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: Bengals this year was how you handled your own division.

842
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean just absolutely taking the Ravens apart twice. I

843
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: mean just you've been there for so long. He enjoyed.

844
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: It was just like it's it was a long time coming,

845
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: and something about it felt like um sports justice on

846
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: some level. But was there a time for you maybe

847
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: when those games were happening compared to where we were

848
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: in September, thinking oh damn, this team is good. Like

849
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: like you know, in the summer, there were a lot

850
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: of these narratives about you know, all this stuff, you

851
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: maybe took the wrong guy in the first round, all

852
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: these other things. Everything kind of panned out well for

853
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: the Bengals. You were healthy, you peaked, But whereas it

854
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: was a moment you just said, we're sitting on something

855
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: special here. Um. You know, we we felt that early

856
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: in camp with our team and how the unit was

857
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: coming together, and I think how people rally around Joe

858
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: and how the defense was starting to form up in

859
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: and play as a real unit. And so we felt

860
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: it very early. You know, the plan is always to

861
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: win your division. And you know, we got nothing but

862
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: respect for Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Believe me, they're great organizations.

863
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: Didn't hear Cleveland mentioned there? Well, we we didn't. We

864
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: didn't beat Cleveland twice. We actually we actually lost to

865
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland both times. So but your question on Baltimore and Pittsburgh, Uh,

866
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: that's the plan. Uh, we we respect them a lot

867
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: more to know that that's that's not gonna be the norm.

868
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: We're going to have to battle with those guys and um,

869
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: you know it's it'll be fun. Don't try to put

870
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: Duke in the corner. Put Duke in the corner. I

871
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: attempted to. Didn't work. What is it like about Jamar

872
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: Chase that makes him so special? Because he's someone like

873
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: we've watched and you know, it's almost like I'm not

874
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: sure what he does that makes defenders look so bad,

875
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: Like how like how he gets that out because it's

876
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: not like just pure speed, it's not like raw athleticism

877
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: maybe all the time. And yet I would put that

878
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: rookie season with any rookie season in the history of

879
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: the NFL, alongside Randy Moss. Well, he is fast and

880
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: he is athletics that I just mean like there are

881
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: other receivers that way, and he elevates the competition different

882
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: of all the traits that you need and he really

883
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: lacks for none of them. And the strength in his

884
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: play is is really important because because he can run

885
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: through jams, he can run through guys on his in

886
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: his hip pocket. Um, and I think the confidence level

887
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: he plays with and then obviously, you know the cohesion

888
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: he has with our quarterback, which which was important to us,

889
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: and and he's obviously got that and and and they

890
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: have a real vision together when when they're out on

891
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: the field, and it's it's just kind of natural for him.

892
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: But uma, he really doesn't lack in any kind of

893
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: physical trait. And then his confidence is great. Do you

894
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: feel like you can kind of like kick your feet

895
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: up and not worry about your skill position players? This

896
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: entire group is going to be going up against those Browns,

897
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: and they're signed through four at the least, Higgins, Boyd,

898
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: Chase Burrow mixing all together at least for three more years.

899
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: That's just seems like a kick your feet up on

900
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: the right. That's a pretty rare that, you know though,

901
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: that's a pretty rare thing for a team to have

902
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: all those young players all together locked up long term.

903
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: And and we're happy that they're with us and and

904
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: that the plan is for them to be as successful

905
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: as any you know, quadruplet or whatever it is. You know,

906
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: and you put Tyler Boyd in there as well, and

907
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: and you know c j Uzam and Drew Sample you

908
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: played really big roles in what we do and yeah,

909
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: it's uh, it does feel good, but we're never satisfied

910
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: we can get better. We're gonna try to get better.

911
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: If we can add a piece that that will give

912
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: us a niche that we think will make us more

913
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: explosive or or harder to defend against, we'll we'll do that.

914
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: And same on defense. I mean, we've got a lot

915
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: of guys up that we want to get back because

916
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: we think the unit's cohesive. But you know it's every

917
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: year is a is a slog. I think we got

918
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: forty six guys under contracts, so we got a long

919
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: way to go before we get to ninety. I don't

920
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: want to break news on your behalf, but I feel

921
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: like one position you will not attempt to upgrade this

922
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: offseason is kicker. Let's I mean, let's talk about it.

923
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, let'll talk about Duke Tobin and the Bengals

924
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: knocking their draft out of the park. Jamar Chase was

925
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: a brilliant receiver in year one. He wasn't even the

926
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: best player in the draft brelda to the position because

927
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: Evan McPherson was perfect, especially when it mattered most in January.

928
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: I know, obviously you thought highly of him to take

929
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: him in the fifth rounds. A lot of teams don't

930
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: even do get into that business. But I mean talk

931
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: about something having a vision and then it hitting exactly

932
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: how you want. You can't beat what McPherson gave you. Uh.

933
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: Really an impressive guy to be around because he is, uh,

934
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: he is tough as nails in in Uh. He he

935
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: just doesn't get rattled ever. And that's what we saw.

936
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: And and he certainly got all the physical traits you want.

937
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: And and in my humble opinion, we we've really got

938
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: the best special teams coordinator in the league and and

939
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: guy that can can instill confidence in guys, uh, fixed

940
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: problems when they when they when they come up and uh,

941
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: you know in Darren Simmons and and so that combination

942
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: was was fantastic. So yeah, we probably won't be adding

943
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: at that spot. If you have if you if you

944
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: have one, you have enough. And mc pherson is the

945
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: player that made me realize that I'm very old because

946
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: he looks thirteen to me. He was kicking in an

947
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: Alabama high school like four years ago and now he

948
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: rules the world. But let me try to make a

949
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: headline here, But how about Evan McPherson watching the halftime

950
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: show at the Super Bowl. That's just inappropriate and unacceptable, right, Duke. Uh,

951
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: I didn't see it, so I didn't see it was

952
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: where it was worth seeing. I wonder if you have

953
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: any stories of like Bengals fans over the last month,

954
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: because unbelievable we haven't experienced. You know, we we had

955
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: a co host on our show and who was no

956
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: longer with us. He was a big fan of years.

957
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: Actually wrote wrote a great article about you. I remember

958
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: like six years ago about yeah, Chris Westling building, Um,

959
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: how you built up that first roster in you know,

960
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: you've been with a couple of coaches now into today.

961
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: But we had all his his brothers come to the

962
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, uh, to watch you guys, and just meeting

963
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: all the Bengals fans that were out there for the game.

964
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, there was some sort of joy and

965
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: something special about him. I didn't know if you if

966
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: you had any stories. It was awesome to put our

967
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: fans on display for the world to see, because now

968
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: the world knows what we know. Their their football savants.

969
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: They love the Cincinnati Bengals, and they'll show up and uh,

970
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: it was in Tennessee. The crowd we had at that

971
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: game and then afterwards, uh, you know, it was fantastic.

972
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: The amount of people that were still in the stadium

973
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: cheering for us at the end of the Kansas City

974
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: game was fantastic. I mean just really impressive. And then

975
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: out at the Super Bowl, it was Judai nation out there,

976
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: so uh, you know, just it was great to see

977
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: the world recognize, you know, what we know about our hands.

978
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: They were still happy afterwards. That was the thing that

979
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: got me, Like they were just like, well, we made here,

980
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: this was fun. They were still in a good mood afterwards.

981
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: It is It's crazy. I'm a Jets fan, full disclosure,

982
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: and I've never been able to enjoy going to a

983
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but walking the concourse um at the game

984
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: and seeing all the fathers and sons and we're talking

985
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: like middle aged men with their elderly fathers, and you're

986
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: thinking this might have been the first time they've experienced

987
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl together, and like there's a lot of responsibility

988
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: on someone like you and on the head coach because

989
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: these teams are like the fabric of the community in

990
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. So I'm sure as disappointed to

991
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: the way the game ended, you gave people that experience

992
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: on all the way. So good job. We we feel that.

993
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean, we know we're we're beholden to the city

994
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: and uh and to our fans, and that's you know,

995
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: we we do the best work we can. We work

996
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: as hard as we can because we want the product

997
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: to be something that they're proud of and and our

998
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: fans have been great. Do you get noticed around town?

999
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: Um know, I'm pretty incognito. I know you got the

1000
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: hat on right now. I normally wear a hat. Yeah,

1001
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: and uh and just kind of bald hide my bald head.

1002
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: I got in a fight with my dermatologist, so he

1003
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: he got the better of me before I came. So, well,

1004
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: you gotta listen to the dermatologist. Duke, thanks so much

1005
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: for coming on, and best of luck this offseason and

1006
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: uh everything that's to come in. Appreciate it, guys, thank

1007
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: you appreciate it all right, There goes Duke tob But

1008
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: I liked I like to cut of his jib Sessler

1009
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: easy to get along with. It concerns me that most

1010
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: of these guys now seem about half a decade younger

1011
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: than I am. They used to seem like adults and

1012
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: I was a child. But uh, I can see why

1013
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: West dug him. I think that he's got incredible, like

1014
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: historical organizational data on the Bengals. He's been there through

1015
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: it all, and he's got to be feeling himself right

1016
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: now in that city. He's five years older than you, buddy,

1017
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: about that, very unassuming in that hot I just felt older.

1018
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't like an expensive hat either, it was just

1019
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of the one that they gave him. I think

1020
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: we said he had been to the dermatologist, so I

1021
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: think maybe it had some some something going on. The

1022
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: Speaking of Chris Wesley, it was something he learned. You

1023
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: have to protect the dome when you shave it down. Alright, alright, alright,

1024
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: this is I know it's been an action packed show,

1025
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: but we've saved the juiciest breakdown of the draft you

1026
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: could possibly find on the internet for last. You're gonna

1027
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Uh, let's welcome in right now Matt money

1028
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: Smith and Landsier Line right after this break and here

1029
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: they are Lance deer Line, Matt money Smith. They'll be

1030
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: anchoring the NFL network coverage throughout the combine and now

1031
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: they join us on the around the NFL podcast and boys,

1032
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: we had a nice dinner out insult on mass. Uh.

1033
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: Greg and Mark weren't there, But it wasn't because they

1034
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: were left out. It just the way it happened. They

1035
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: weren't invited and we were organically not in. I wouldn't

1036
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: even have thought about him. And then you just made

1037
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: it into a total life know how Dan? How Dan

1038
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: managed to join us? Lanson I we're walking out and

1039
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: Dan comes strutting in. It was just off, puffed up shake,

1040
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: What are you doing? He's like, I just could go

1041
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: up in a room, meshes burger. It's like we're going

1042
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: out to dinner. I had an whole game plan because

1043
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: Mark and I had a couple at the hotel lobby

1044
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: right after our taping on Tuesday, and they said, all right,

1045
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna slow down a little bit. I'm gonna smash

1046
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: the smash burger or steak in shake burger, and I'll

1047
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: be back at nine o'clock. Then we see these two

1048
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: guys in the lobby and I go out and uh

1049
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: we had a nice time. Yeah, we did. We did.

1050
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: Dan's tipping point came at about one Ricky, what wasn't

1051
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: one one thirt Okay, about one thirty when I say, hey,

1052
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: we're all we're all gonna go, and Connie was with us.

1053
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: It was a great crew. It was Colleen and Sarah

1054
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: and uh. And I'm like, hey, we're all ready to go,

1055
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: and Dan goes, you don't have time for one more.

1056
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: I was like, because he had bought the previous rounds.

1057
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: So I think, intimating I'm sorry to che skate. I'm like, sure,

1058
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: you one more? Fine, So I go to the bar.

1059
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: I get him his vodka soda. Oh you got me that,

1060
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: and so I handed to him and I'm like, well,

1061
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: I guess we're having one more. I feel like we're

1062
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: talking about a different guy right now because it's very

1063
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: interesting story. And uh, and I know it's an audio format,

1064
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: but perhaps you guys can help me with the visuals.

1065
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: So Dan gets the gets the drink and he's got

1066
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: his empty in this hand, and he carefully aligns the

1067
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: bottom of the glasses, drops it into that and then

1068
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: he takes a sip and um, I see him go

1069
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: struggle to swallow it, and then he just looks. I'm

1070
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: telling you, he looked at the Tito's and soda for

1071
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: the next ten minutes. And I finally go are we

1072
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: ready to go now? He's like, yeah, we're ready to go.

1073
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: This is that's a typical for Dan dan Is. Typically

1074
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know how many does and the Irish could

1075
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: buys out of there. Usually I had my game plan, yeah,

1076
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: and the game plan never fails. But then when I audible,

1077
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: that took the night in a different direction. I'd say

1078
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: that was probably stay with the plays. The audibles often

1079
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: do not work. But he was a pleasant drunk. Oh yes,

1080
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: I had a great time with you guys now and again.

1081
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: As we said at the top of the show, it's

1082
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: not about what happens the night before. If the real

1083
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: pros combine week, you get up the next day and

1084
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: you perform on the stage of ours. Right, we had

1085
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: a two PM called Times, So I don't know what

1086
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: that's He helped so much, it's like a regular war hero.

1087
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: I saw Gregg in the gym this morning. He barely

1088
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: paid attention to me. I was like, hey, Rosie, he's

1089
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: like Moon spp walking right by. Oh no, no, no,

1090
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: I haven't seen these guys for two years. I come

1091
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: back in and it's a new Alpha on the set

1092
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know what happened over the

1093
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: last two years. Something has happened that you surved all

1094
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: of very hungry for power. That's nothing, nothing's happening. We

1095
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: we are taping this in such a way that Lovey

1096
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: Smith is coming up soon. You're having a very nice

1097
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 1: conversation off to the side, which we all get caught

1098
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: in right now. We're friends. We've in friends long enough

1099
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: Lance that I knew I would say that you wouldn't

1100
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: be bothered just here. Just reacted like, Lance, let's go,

1101
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: that's exactly what yeah, and said I think, sir, And

1102
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: when I jumped out, we were all taking it back.

1103
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Greg and I've been noting

1104
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: this recently. You've had these random acts of masculinity that

1105
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: keep topping up lately, and this is just another one

1106
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: in the list of something has changed. I believe they're

1107
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: not realms, the realms, random axims. There's something that happens.

1108
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: It's very special. Uh, in every young man's life when

1109
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: they turned forty three, maybe they become a man exactly.

1110
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: And that's not to suggest you weren't masculine, but possibly

1111
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: to suggest that's previous. It's a curve. It's going up

1112
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: all right, all right, let's talk football, Let's talk combine

1113
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: Lance your I don't know why Money doesn't have one.

1114
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I was, I was,

1115
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: I was just signed one last night at about twelve

1116
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: thirty am. Alright, and we're serious. Can you do a

1117
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: mocked rep for its like it's twelve time? But it so? Yeah,

1118
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: So keep an eye out for the mat Money, Spike

1119
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: Moch ask the coaches while you're right there there. I'm

1120
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: looking at Lance's one point oh, and we go up

1121
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: to what five? I'm only going to go to three.

1122
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: I like that. That's an alpha movie. I've got one

1123
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: coming after the Combine notes, So this one is just

1124
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: kind of a whatever mock. I do mine after the draft.

1125
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: It's always so I shouldn't get Sometimes I worry. I

1126
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: still have nightmares about the Eric Fisher Luke Jocal draft. Uh.

1127
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: When I see Evan Neil Alabama tackle number one, is

1128
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: that telling me this isn't gonna be a fun draft

1129
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: or is he just such a great fit for the

1130
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: Jacks that that's where we start and there's still plenty

1131
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: of fun players to get to as we go through

1132
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: this adventure. I don't know. I would call this draft

1133
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: fund Bob. This is not what I would call a

1134
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: fun draft. I think it's a draft and necessary. This

1135
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: draft is like when your grandma would buy you socks.

1136
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: You need the socks. You know, you need the notebook

1137
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: paper or whatever. But this is this is this, This

1138
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: draft is about things you need. I'm not saying, listen,

1139
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not luxury items that are available

1140
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: to be had in this draft. I'm just saying, when

1141
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: you start having tackles that are slotted number one, it's

1142
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: a nuts and bolts draft based on need at the top.

1143
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: And that's what this is. And I think the flashy

1144
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: stuff comes in the middle of it, like I actually

1145
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: think the top five or six the fun stuff to

1146
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 1: me begins in like the middle of the first round

1147
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: is when a lot of the fun stuff happens. And

1148
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: I think there's some really high upside players to be

1149
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: adding a second and third rounds of the draft. And

1150
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: so while you know we're not going to have the

1151
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: the headliner migrating scales seven point or higher, what I

1152
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: think we have is we happen to have for for

1153
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: hardcore football fans and draft people, there's some really intriguing

1154
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: talent in this draft. It just happens to live in

1155
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: rounds two through four, I think the most. Yeah, but

1156
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: the Fisher in joke a year people weren't that high

1157
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: on them. Then they want like that, people said, and

1158
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: they were right going into that draft, this might be

1159
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: one of the worst drafts we've ever seen, and it

1160
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: turned out to be. Almost No one out of the

1161
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: top fifteen made an impact in that draft. But I

1162
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: don't get the feel that that's the case and tis

1163
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: at all. It's just not as many headliner people like.

1164
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: They like Neil He's giant, he's nimble, he's gonna be fine.

1165
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: And they have and they have a quarterback, you know,

1166
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: And I think if look, if if put it this way,

1167
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: if Nick Bosta were coming out this year and he

1168
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: was the number one pick, would you be like, is

1169
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: their sizzle there? It's not a quarterback, but it's just

1170
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, yes, there there would be. And I think,

1171
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: so you need pass rushers, you need guys that will

1172
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: protect against those pass rushers, and you need quarterbacks. That's

1173
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: that is the foundation of football success. So in the

1174
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: case of the Jaguars, they need someone to protect their

1175
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: number one pick who got wrecked last year, and it

1176
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: just it's the way it lines up. And you know,

1177
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: when you don't have a quarterback there, it's hard to

1178
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: trade out. You just you're not gonna get enough value,

1179
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: I think trade back. And that's kind of where you

1180
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: then maybe start talking about the notebook paper socks character

1181
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: of the draft. Yeah, and that's why the Texas. You know,

1182
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: the guy to me that's the most fun in this

1183
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: whole draft is a safety. And that's not typically going

1184
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: to be something that sizzles. But how often do you

1185
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: have a guy who's six four who's gonna grow into

1186
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: a two thirty pound frame, who can play as a

1187
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: linebacker over a tight end like a you know, like

1188
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: like a guy like Travis Kelsey, a guy who can

1189
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: play on the back end, like he's a single high

1190
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: safety or someone who can play in the box. He's

1191
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: a freight train as a hitter. Um, he is a

1192
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: talented cover man. He's a really he's a good football,

1193
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: high football character guy. Guy who's gonna be good in

1194
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: the locker room and interrupted real quick. He's Kyle Hamilton's

1195
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: It was the build up and went back to the

1196
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: Jets at four and I think I took. You know,

1197
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: our team took our team Jamal Adams number six. We

1198
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: talked about last night at dinner. Isaiah Simmons, another hybrid

1199
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: guy that maybe hasn't fulfilled expectations. But this guy is different.

1200
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: I just the safety Isaiah Simmons was becoming like Kyle

1201
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: Hamilton's gonna play. Kyle's a big safety. He's like if Dave,

1202
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: if you went all the way back to like David Fulture.

1203
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's an old school two plus pound hitter

1204
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: who happens to be a great athlete and who's diverse

1205
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: enough to cover. So I think you know, from a

1206
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: sizzle standpoint, safeties don't typically do it. But when you

1207
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: watch this I showed you last night Dan some of

1208
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: the hits that he has. He's a real dude. Now

1209
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: he will come up and smack you, but he's also versatile.

1210
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: So I got him as my highest rated player in

1211
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 1: this draft. The thing is you're not drafting safeties first.

1212
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: That is a true story, by the way, Ricky. Yes,

1213
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: we were having dinner. In the middle of our Dan

1214
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: was eating his chicken fried chicken with hallepenial gravy and

1215
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: uh and I said, Dan, I think you need to

1216
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: see this. He said, uh, watch this. I'm gonna search

1217
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's HiT's like a Train and twitter that he

1218
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: was like a video game and had audio over it.

1219
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: I put in my cell if I was pretty proud

1220
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: of that was pretty nice. And then we got push

1221
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: a t. We had a hot drafts argument between us

1222
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: about whether or not he'd be available at four. Yeah,

1223
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: might be. He's probably the best player in the draft,

1224
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: and maybe the Texans take him at three just because

1225
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: he's that Derwin James kind of difference maker that can

1226
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: really remake a defense. I think Greg and I missed

1227
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: the event of the year here. Potentially I have a

1228
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: man crushed already from Marks level of annoyances. I know

1229
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: I am starting to do stand comedian waiting on us.

1230
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: So you did miss quiet, I can tell, I can

1231
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: tell attempt to make up for it. Tonight's rage index

1232
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: and Greg's masculinity index both going up like this. Mark

1233
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: wanted nothing more than to be left alone for dinner

1234
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: last night, and he was so I think everyone got

1235
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: what they wanted. I got what I do, what I want,

1236
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: and that's what I want. That's how that unfolded. Speaking

1237
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: of alpha male, um you got Kenny Pickett eleven uh

1238
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 1: lands Yeah, obviously. Let me ask you this way. Kenny

1239
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: Pickett's in last year's draft, which was much more fruitful

1240
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: quarterback wise, is he uh top first round pick? No? Um,

1241
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: he is in the discussion with Davis Mills and he

1242
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: goes ahead of Davis Mills. Kenny pick it would have

1243
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: been the for sure next guy up. I think you

1244
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: would have been drafted ahead of Kyle Trash So I

1245
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: think he would have been a second round pick. Yes,

1246
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: he would have a second round pick. I think he

1247
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: would have been a top Another huge selling point for

1248
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: this draft. I think you would have been a top

1249
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: forty um, a top forty pick. So, but don't you think,

1250
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: like I know, we're we're looking at mocks and everything

1251
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: and it's early for that. Who do you think in

1252
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: the pre draft process, because there's always a quarterback that

1253
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: rises has a chance to for everyone to fall in

1254
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 1: love it. Because it seems like that the tape heads

1255
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: just think Malik Williss ceiling is going to be higher,

1256
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: and that he seems like the logical guy that is

1257
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: going to go away higher than anyone is projecting, at

1258
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: least in January and federal well, I think he is

1259
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: because but it's not because of anything on tape. His

1260
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: tape is not all that good, to be honest with you.

1261
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean three different games with three interceptions. Um, the

1262
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: second half of the year was really terrible. Frankly, his

1263
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: it wasn't good. But the thing is he has rare

1264
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: size arm strength, his arm talents like Jay Cutler arm talent,

1265
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: which is really really high. I know Jay Cutler's for

1266
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: some reason kind of a bad word now, but Jake

1267
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: Cutler was ridiculously talented coming out and could throw the

1268
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: ball from slots and and platforms that other people couldn't.

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01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: And then he is what he is is he is

1270
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: a better runner than Jalen Hurts. And this is my thing,

1271
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: Like I started thinking about this came to me when

1272
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: I was riding up Lamar Jackson back in eighteen between.

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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: I said, you know, so here I was two thousand eighteen.

1274
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm at my grandmother's house in Kansas, right enough, Lamar

1275
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: Jar as it were. And then what happened was I

1276
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: started thinking, you know, Lenn Lamar's completion percentage, and I

1277
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: realized I just watched the Astros won a world series

1278
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: completely legally and fairly and and I thought, well, you know,

1279
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: one of the things in baseball, they care less about

1280
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: strikeouts now and they care a lot more about home runs.

1281
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: And when you think of it that way, Lamar Jackson's

1282
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: a home run hitter who's gonna strike out some, but

1283
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: you live with the strikeouts because you get the home runs.

1284
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: And when you look at when you look at it

1285
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: that way, Malik Willis's flaws that he has right now,

1286
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: you can never go wrong with a guy who's who

1287
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: is an elite runner. And he's an elite runner because

1288
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: even when they don't throw the ball, they find ways

1289
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: to beat you. And I mean he is a really

1290
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: fantastic running not to Lamar's level, but just below it.

1291
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: And then from an arm talent standpoint, I think he

1292
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: has better potential than Lamar Jackson as as a thrower.

1293
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: But Lamar was more consistent coming out of Louisville. So

1294
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: that's why they build their entire team around Lamar. Like

1295
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: that's the that's the problem. So if you dropped Molie Willis,

1296
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: are you gonna make that kind of commitment one or two?

1297
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: Is there a bridge? Like that's why the free agency

1298
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: process and like what we heard today was such so

1299
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: depressing for those of us that want to see franchise

1300
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: quarterback movement. It sounds like we're not gonna get any

1301
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: of it. So I think that's kind of where that

1302
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: that's why, like, to me, there is some interest because

1303
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: it does feel like this group of people likes Pickett,

1304
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: this group of people likes Willis. I think there's a

1305
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: group of people that like Matt Corrella most out of

1306
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks, that feel like he's kind of the athletic,

1307
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: He's got great arm talent. So like that to me,

1308
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: is that does add some intrigue. I don't know where

1309
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: guys are going, and that's the thing. I don't know

1310
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: if they're gonna go on the first I just wrote

1311
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: an article for NFL dot com. They every year that's

1312
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: it's the same article. They plug a different quarterback. Here,

1313
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: the potential fits for two. Here, the potential fits for Willis.

1314
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: But the thing that I found when I was writing

1315
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: it with two, I had like three or four guys,

1316
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: and then that with three or four teams, and that

1317
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: was it with Willis. I don't know. I mean, my

1318
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: leaders in the clubhouse were Washington and Pittsburgh, and then

1319
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: just below that in a different levels. See. I think

1320
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: I think if he falls, I think Pittsburgh would consider

1321
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: trading up because I think that Kevin Colbert wants. I

1322
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: think it's a very interesting storyline to see if Colbert

1323
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: and his last draft does what Ozzy did in his

1324
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: last draft of them about it on the show yesterday

1325
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: and any pressure he didn't gave us a very little

1326
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: laughed at the question and then didn't didn't really answer

1327
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: because you're cute. You want to laugh at a question.

1328
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: Try this one ups ready? Would you rather have any

1329
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks in the draft or Mitchell? Oh, that's

1330
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: a little good. Gross, That is an awful destiny. What

1331
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: is happening? We've avoided here. I saw your tweet earlier.

1332
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: I did it just to twist your nipples a little bit.

1333
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: Questions like what happened? Like Mitchell Trobisky didn't play a

1334
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: year and then everyone who never gave up on the

1335
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: Mitchell Trobisky could actually be good has come storming back season.

1336
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: It's like they don't want to have to answer it.

1337
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: It's like he'll marry your daughter while throwing for six

1338
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: point three yards per attempt. Yes he will. Um, Now

1339
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: you know it's interesting because Mitchell Trobinsky is almost in

1340
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: that Kirk Cousins level. Of His stats are way better

1341
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: than you think they are based on what people say

1342
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: about the guy. They were way better than I thought.

1343
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: I got an art with my co host on the

1344
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: radio and he's like, Mitchell Trobinsky is not that bad,

1345
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: not that bad. But it's also he was the second

1346
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: pick of the draft, so you know, and the Mahomes factor,

1347
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: and we watched him play fifty games, and that by

1348
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: watching those games, you could see he was not nearly

1349
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: as the status are relevant, but he is the next one.

1350
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: Everyone has this hope for a for a backup quarterback,

1351
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: and so the hope is maybe there's a resurrection of

1352
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: Mitchell Trabinsky. I would rather money. I would rather have

1353
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: somebody from this draft quicker way for Jesus to come

1354
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 1: back around, right. I feel like Mileek Willis might get

1355
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of it. I think everyone thinks you

1356
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: can you can find a Josh Allen now like just

1357
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: that you can if you have that level of talent,

1358
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: don't worry about some of the tape and some of

1359
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: the numbers, and you can build the thing around. So

1360
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: you said some potential Hm swung away from that for

1361
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 1: a minute. Everybody was like, we gotta stop basing this

1362
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: on trades. We gotta look at accuracy and coming off

1363
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: of these playoffs, especially when he looked like the best player.

1364
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: I remember when it was back to back small quarterbacks,

1365
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: when it went okay, Baker Mayfe and Baker played well

1366
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: that first year, and then it's like, Okay, Kyler Murray,

1367
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: we can buy into smaller quarterback from a system. We

1368
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: can buy into it. Now, Baker has has. If you

1369
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: if Baker and Kyler and let's say Matt Crowl was

1370
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: in the draft immediately preceding those two, Matt crow would

1371
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: be a more talked about quarterback right now because everyone

1372
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: would there subconsciously would because money money hit the point

1373
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: right now. Off the Josh out the year of Josh

1374
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: Allen Willis is the guy, and Justin Herbert Willis is

1375
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: the one who fits into it a little bit more

1376
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,919
Speaker 1: than Kenny Pickett. So obviously two years ago, Justin Jefferson

1377
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: blows up Jamar Chase. Obviously this year now we're being

1378
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: told that this is not a draft that has that

1379
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: type of transcendent talent, But in our league, it's not

1380
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: unusual enough for a rookie to pop off immediately and

1381
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: be a big time player. Is there a skill player

1382
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: tight end, wide receiver that you can see stepping into

1383
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: the right offense and becoming a Pro Bowl player. It

1384
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: feels like it's a good wide receiver, drect. It's got

1385
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: some depth. Yeah, it's got some depth. I don't the

1386
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: last two years way deeper. I thought last year was

1387
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: a fantastic wide receiver draft. Um See, I think Chris

1388
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: lave is a guy who can work all three levels

1389
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: of the field and can be a possession guy, a

1390
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: touchdown guy, a speed guy. He strikes me as one

1391
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,759
Speaker 1: that could do that. I think, um, you know, Jamison

1392
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: Williams a percent could have been if he were healthy.

1393
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: So for you know, fantasy football guys from a dynasty standpoint,

1394
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: you obviously want to want to keep him in mind,

1395
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: But I don't think. I think Garrett Wilson is going

1396
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: to take a little longer than some people think because

1397
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: he has a hard time getting off press and that's

1398
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: the first thing you have to learn to do in

1399
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: the NFL, and sometimes sometimes it takes time. And I

1400
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: don't know what Money's thoughts are on this, because you're

1401
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: you're on the West coast watching that's what you know.

1402
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: I talked to a scout on the West coast who

1403
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: loves him, and I don't see a guy who I

1404
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: think runs very fast. I don't see a guy who separates.

1405
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: But for me as an evaluator, I watched DeAndre Hopkins

1406
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: just murder the league, and you could have said similar things,

1407
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: but I thought he was a little bit more sudden

1408
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: with some of his movements. And so I don't know

1409
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: where to to place a six ft five receiver who

1410
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: wins all the jump balls like he's just so explosive.

1411
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the thing is the juice

1412
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: doesn't show up. But like, what's the old Marty Schottenheimer line.

1413
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: He's he's gonna beat in the rito's off your head.

1414
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Draken the other day, and I

1415
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: was like, I got that kind of me. I immediately

1416
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: wanted to go rewrite the scouting reports. I said, Okay,

1417
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: I better, I need to go put that magic word.

1418
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: I need to put explosive about this wide receiver. I

1419
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: was listening to him today. He is someone that grew

1420
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: up watching Westerns with his great grandparents. The good bat

1421
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 1: in the Ugly was one of the first movies he

1422
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 1: ever saw. He's he had a huge game against Alabama.

1423
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: He spent times hunting. He hunted pigs with a knife.

1424
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: Trailan Burks, this is my dude. Yeah, I'm looking at

1425
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: Mark's notes. I just think Casey forgot. He put in

1426
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: green highlighted words next to Trailon Burs man craft. He

1427
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: just seems to fit. And the mid he didn't. He

1428
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: didn't trust the yourself to remember that. But number one

1429
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: on a bunch of lists at the start of this

1430
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: whole process, still remember one. People who don't have him

1431
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: number one, and they don't know what they're doing, So

1432
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: you got the right crush. Hey, I didn't know he

1433
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: liked I didn't know he hunted a hog with his

1434
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: bare hands and a knife. So I just raised him

1435
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: to number four on my list. So thank you for

1436
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: that information. By the way, the next thing Greg will

1437
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: be doing as his alpha male tendencies ramp up. Let's

1438
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: not lose control on that front. Now, the Westerns things,

1439
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna back him back down a little bit. But

1440
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: Trailon Burks is like six, He's two hundred and five

1441
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: ish pounds, is what he's gonna be he's he's got

1442
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: more wiggle than a J. Brown. A J. Brown is

1443
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: his company's got more wiggle. He's phenomenal with the ball

1444
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: in his hands. He's tremendously competitive, but he's a physical

1445
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: specimen like a J. Brown. When you see a J

1446
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: out there, and everyone comes up with the same comp

1447
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: a J. Brown because when you see him, guys who

1448
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: are two hundred and twenty five pounds who play like

1449
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: he does, you don't see a lot of those guys

1450
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: in the league. But he's not somebody who played in

1451
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: the slot. Now. He played a lot in a slot

1452
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: for Arkansas because that's the way they wanted to get

1453
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,560
Speaker 1: in the ball as quickly as possible and said, go

1454
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: Trey Long, go and uh, he is, You've got the

1455
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: right man. Crushed to me, he is far and away

1456
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: the best wide receiving this draft, far and away. Was

1457
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: that for Sizzle? It's good? How about you? Like, who's

1458
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: the guy that you have? A man have bias. I

1459
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: always have bias, you know. I mean when wide receivers

1460
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: are like Drake London, I'm biased. I like that. I

1461
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: I fight for the West Coast. We don't get enough

1462
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: attention when it comes to college football conversation, You California

1463
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,719
Speaker 1: produces the best players. It drives me crazy. Um, Birch

1464
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: is impressive. I mean he's he's he's gonna be all

1465
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: muscle and people are gonna get decidey. He's gonna put

1466
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: up big numbers. Um, the tight end group is good.

1467
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 1: Who am I going to mention Greg Dolsitch because it's

1468
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: the West Coast, But he's gonna run really fast. He's

1469
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna run crazy fast. So is there anyone in the

1470
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: next couple of days you know we're taking this before

1471
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: the you know, the combine events start that you think

1472
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: will just like become the story because of what they

1473
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: put out there. Well, I think Greg is one of

1474
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: Greg Dulsich is one of those guys from u c

1475
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: LE because DJs get hot on him now and so

1476
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna roll downhill because DJ is gonna be talking

1477
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: about him a lot. He's gonna run really fast and

1478
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: then tell us how that bothers you. You're gonna I mean, listen, listen.

1479
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: DJ deserves all the credit he gets, But the thing

1480
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: is a lot of people. He has to step on

1481
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people's backs to get all the way. Listen,

1482
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: I know I know he did you see him come

1483
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 1: in today with the sweater, just to give it a

1484
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: little like it's just me, guys, just and I know

1485
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: he's got beef with you, guys. I'm gonna take up

1486
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: my head set. While by the way, and his his

1487
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: pay is. I love DJ. We we go back and

1488
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: forth on players all the time. Um, he's done a

1489
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: great job, like when he put justin Herbert Ye in

1490
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: the draft. He's fantastic. Never fails this. I mean that

1491
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 1: has got to be at least the thirtieth time you

1492
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: have referenced age building about it like it's one heart

1493
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: beat away. Here you are. It was in the big

1494
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: chair now no, and and they floating on the preference.

1495
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't you that had the chicken fried

1496
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: steak with cream gravy. I wish it was Daniel Jeremiah that. Okay, Daniel,

1497
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: would you like somewhere of this skillet bread with butter.

1498
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: I'll give you a I'll give you a name that

1499
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: no one's talking about. And it's because I saw him

1500
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: at the nflp A Bowl and from the I would

1501
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: say the first five minutes of the first practice I

1502
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: was at, I was like, hell is that guy here

1503
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: and it was Sam Williams, well miss and Sam is

1504
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna test. He is going to test through the roof.

1505
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna get drafted in the third round and by

1506
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: the chiefs, and everyone's gonna be like, why did he slid?

1507
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: And you'll find see why he slid And it's just

1508
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: like he is a complete freak of a defensive end.

1509
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: He terrible against the run and a monster against the past,

1510
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: like just really good. Another big test is gonna be

1511
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: from West Coast Kyler Gordon from so Trent McDuffie's gonna

1512
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: test well, Kyler Gordon. I don't know if you know

1513
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: his background. Do you where's your Do you have notes

1514
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: on him that you know I did, but it's in

1515
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: a different file back at the hotel if I went, listen,

1516
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: get your let's get your highlighter out here. He was

1517
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: a He was a dancer. And when I say dance,

1518
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: like like at eight years of age, they said they

1519
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: believed he was gonna be a Broadway dancer. That's how

1520
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: like a stage dancer. He was heavily involved in kung fu.

1521
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: He was heavily involved in kung fu as well. He

1522
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: will also knock your face off, he's gonna jump about

1523
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: vertical so dancer kung fu. That sounds man crushworthy. Yeah

1524
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: when you said, I thought you just say the bullshow.

1525
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, Broadway came out and

1526
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: I was like, bad, no boy show. No, it could

1527
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: have been either one. This is how he was. Texans

1528
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: have their men, all right. Excellent. Gave us a nice taste,

1529
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: getting us on our feet a little bit as we

1530
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: tried to figure out and navigate this follow obviously, Lance

1531
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: and Money all over NFL network and the dot com

1532
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: throughout this process. And uh, thanks for you know, the

1533
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: app of course, the appets right, Money, thank you for

1534
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: taking care of me on the way out of at Prime.

1535
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: We'll do it again tonight. Sounds good. And uh, Lance,

1536
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: you're a hero and that that shows the cheap chap let.

1537
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: No we're not. We're getting one more. All right, here

1538
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: it comes. You should have said no, because I probably

1539
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: wanted to put up a fight. But anyway, then you

1540
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: got that story, so you got your money's worth, all right,

1541
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, Lance, Money, There they go. Those men are

1542
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: educated on the topic at hand. Well, even if they weren't,

1543
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: we wouldn't know. I mean, they were able to sell it,

1544
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: but we don't have no idea what it would have been.

1545
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: Funny if if they just decided before the segment we're

1546
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: just gonna throw out fake names, we wouldn't have stopped him.

1547
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know Kyle Karbowski, like, you look a

1548
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: little closer at the u r L of his mock

1549
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: draft and it's not actually dot com. It's like MFL

1550
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: dot com. I was like, oh no, uh no, that

1551
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: was good though. It's it's interesting, um when you start

1552
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: to kind of dig in and get excited the mock

1553
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: draft with your teams and whatnot. By the way, what

1554
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: do you want for the Patriots to come out of

1555
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: the first round of the draft. I haven't thought about that.

1556
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: I guess a wide receiver just because they keep they

1557
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: keep messing it up and they one thing I was

1558
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: thinking about talking with Lance and and Money, it's like,

1559
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: if you're a GM, you should just draft wide receivers.

1560
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 1: The last two years, if you've drafted a wide receiver

1561
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds, almost all of them have

1562
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: been incredible and better than their draft pick, except for

1563
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: Nikil Harry. Like literally almost everyone has outperformed their draft pick.

1564
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: You got like Terry McLarin in the third round. You've

1565
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 1: got a million different people and they've all like been

1566
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: drafted too late, like all the receivers are And I'll

1567
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: raise you a Denzel Mims. It's not not always my

1568
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: point that the hit rate has been high. The receivers

1569
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: have been great and they need him, So that would

1570
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: that would make me most excited, Dan, What I do

1571
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: have a question that you you the whole dinner thing.

1572
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: Did you come home to a bag full of um

1573
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: shake shack that you ate at a later time you

1574
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: had already purchased a nice dinner. Listen, A lot of

1575
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: mistakes were made last night, and all I can tell

1576
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: you is I paid for all of it in the morning, alright.

1577
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: But again, the true measure of a man, the true

1578
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: measure of a man as a broadcaster, as a pro

1579
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: in this city, this time of year, is do you

1580
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: rise to the occasion the next day or do you

1581
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: stay and pull the curtains closed and call out sick?

1582
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: So what time are you a winner? No? I witnessed

1583
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: some things early on in the combines, before I even

1584
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: knew you guys, that I was amazed by the performances

1585
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: of some people much had a much tougher schedule than

1586
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 1: we do. But well sometimes it has been us though,

1587
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean in the past, just to be totally accurate.

1588
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: So no, that was that was. That was a tough night,

1589
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: and but we have recovered and I'm looking forward for

1590
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: our final evening in Indianapolis. It's a lot of fun

1591
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: here and I do hope that we will be back

1592
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: eventually down the line. It's been a fun ride here

1593
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 1: in Indy. Probably not next year, but I expect to

1594
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: be back. And if we're away one or two years,

1595
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: that will only make it sweeter, like this year is

1596
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: a little sweeter after after missing Gregg. It is a

1597
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: little wind up doll that the league is gonna love.

1598
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: This is the best place to do it, but they're

1599
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: change the game on us. I would like my job

1600
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: because if you don't, it takes up all of your

1601
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: day and then you just don't like life. I still

1602
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: find the answer lacking authenticity. But that's we can move forwards,

1603
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: all right. So that's it from Indie Um. However, we

1604
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: have one more show coming this week. It's the Free

1605
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 1: Agency one oh one special Greg's annual list on dot

1606
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: com and we are going to pull it apart like putty,

1607
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: then lighted on fire, then get an extinguisher out, pose

1608
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: it down, and then mold it back together, put it

1609
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 1: right back on the shelf where it was originally. I'd

1610
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: like to do a two point oh. I thought about

1611
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 1: that for the first time actually, because I am immediately

1612
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: I had some people responding to the one oh one,

1613
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, and some people I trust, multiple people, and

1614
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: I immediately like, oh, yeah, well they're right, I should

1615
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: I should move him up or down. It's like I

1616
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: would I would like to have more information, like like

1617
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater somehow being about that's all. That's like, there's

1618
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: that much difference between Teddy Bridgewater and Andy Dalton. Save it,

1619
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 1: save it for Friday. Just now you know it's coming baby,

1620
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 1: like a freight train. I can't believe what you said

1621
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 1: that Lance. By the way, Lance, let's go. You've barked

1622
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 1: at him. I mean, no one unless you have some

1623
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: sort of like fragile ego is going to take that personally.

1624
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: It was just like telling him, um, let's do it.

1625
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: Let's go. Well, you're like, we're the former boss who

1626
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: sometimes forgets that you're the former boss. You don't bark

1627
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: at a he's a coworker of yours. And when you

1628
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 1: say that, nobody, nobody on the planet would be offended

1629
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: by that. I think that's what you're saying. Your misread

1630
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: that's um their problem. Oh you're pulling the old I'm

1631
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: sorry if you were offended, card, I'm not I'm not sorry.

1632
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sorry. This is what Dan and I were

1633
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: dealing with for half a decade. Just let the listener now,

1634
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: all right, Thank you everybody for listening. See you Friday.

1635
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 1: Until then, this is the Old Zuser, the Old Boss,

1636
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 1: an old Mark seiler with Ricky Hollywood. Un till Friday.

1637
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: You know what to do. Heed the call. M