1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: I think the future of composites it comes really back 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: to design. It's designing the right part to take advantage 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: of the composite performance and be more involved in design 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: and not trying to kind of take and replace, you know, 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: dumb parts, so to speak, with composites. And the other 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: big element that plays into design is integration, and I 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: think we're going to see more and more of where 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: you have a structure or a shell that contains basically 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: all of the wires needed to transmit signals, that contains 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: elements of structural monitoring so you can understand how that 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: part performs over time. Welcome to the restless Ones. I'm 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I've spent more than a decade really learning 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: about technology, what makes it tick, and then describing and 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: explaining that to my audience. But it's the conversations with 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: the world's most unconventional thinkers, the leaders at the intersection 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: of technology and business that fascinate me the most. In 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: partnership with T Mobile for Business, I explore the unique 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: set of challenges that see I o S and c 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: t o S face from advancements in cloud and edge computing, 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: software as a service, Internet of Things, and of course 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: five G we are often left wondering how the leading 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: minds and business continue to thrive. Let's find out. Our 23 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: guest today is Riley Reese, chief Technology Officer for Airis Composites. 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: Riley's experience in fields like three D printing and materials 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: science set him apart from other leaders I've spoken with 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: on this series. He looks at challenges through the lens 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: of an engineer and see some pretty incredible solutions that 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: all depend upon the elegant geometry of fibers within composite materials. 29 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: I started off our conversation learning about the business of 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: Aris Composites and on Riley's incredible background. Riley, thank you 31 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for the Restless Ones. It's 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on the show. Excited to 33 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: be here, and I'm really excited too, because I usually 34 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: asked C T O s how they first got interested 35 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: in tech, but you present to me a unique opportunity 36 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: where I would like to know how you got interested 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: in materials science. Yeah, it is a great question and 38 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: a unique kind of field in the world of engineering, 39 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: and so it was the subject matter was kind of 40 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: this amazing professor that I saw through him the ability 41 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: to really think like an engineer, and so I was 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: interested in studying working under him and ended up partnering 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: with him on research and and and kind of going 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: deep in material science. As I got deep into try 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: to learn as much as I could from him. Oh 46 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: I I completely agree. I'm the son of two teachers 47 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: and had a big experience with teachers who were really 48 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: passionate about their areas of expertise. And we're great communicators 49 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: who really encouraged that kind of love. So talk to 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: me a little bit about some of the challenges and 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: material science that you find really interesting. Yeah, sure, you 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: know the they're kind of unconventional thing too. In material science, 53 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people are trying to come up with 54 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: a new material, uh, And a lot of material science 55 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: is focused on the chemical or the physical side of development. 56 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: You're working at sometimes the atomic level, sometimes the molecular 57 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: level coming up with you know, with with new formulations, 58 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: trying to push into a new material space or new 59 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: new material combinations. For for me, it actually wasn't as 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: much that kind of fundamental side, but it was taking 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: materials that already exists and using them in new ways. 62 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: You can get it radically different performance or functionality. And 63 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: that's really kind of where you know, I fell in 64 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: love actually with matural science, but also three D printing. 65 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: So it's during my research there we're building heart tissue scaffolds. 66 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: The challenge was you throw a ton of heart cells 67 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: on a peatree dish and they all go off like popcorn, 68 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: but you wanted them to all beat to the same 69 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: rhythm so that they can actually function in the tissue. 70 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: So to get these cardio mayd sites to talk to 71 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: each other, you need to get something that looks like 72 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: the extracellular matrix of of a cell, which is kind 73 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: of this grid network. We use the same material you 74 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: find in the petri dish or you actually find in lotion. 75 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: It's called polyethylene. Glycol is what makes it lubricious or thick. 76 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Many of these substances so materials everywhere, super common, been 77 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: around forever. But by three D printing this with the 78 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 1: process called electro spinning, we were able to create such 79 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: fine thin strands down to the nanometer level and deposit 80 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: them in kind of a mesh network that it got 81 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: close enough to making the extra cellular matrix. That is 82 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: pretty miraculous. We throw the cells on there, and all 83 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden they're contracting together and we have a 84 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: functioning tissue that we could implant to rebuild, you know, 85 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: scar tissue off after a heart attack. Riley, this is 86 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: a very risky subject for me to talk about, because 87 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: I am prone to go down that rabbit hole and 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: not ask you any of the other questions I have 89 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,119 Speaker 1: listed on my piece of paper, because it's a fascinating area. 90 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: I used to cover futurism a few years ago, and 91 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: one of the things we talked about was the printing 92 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: of organs that level, and at the time it was 93 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: still very much in a prototype R and D infancy. 94 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: Simply printing something that can be on the nano scale 95 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: is mind boggling to me. Uh so, very exciting. Well 96 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: what led you to co found Aris Composites. How did 97 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: that journey? Yeah? Ethan Escowitz, who's the CEO of airis 98 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: one of the other co founders, really understood the market 99 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: of three D printing, but he also worked in conventional manufacturing. 100 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: Then I went over to Europe working on three D 101 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: printing and highly automated technolologies for three D printing to 102 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: kind of get a number of the process steps in 103 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: series so that you could effectively make three D print 104 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: more economical. And it was then I got in touch 105 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: back with with Ethan and he saw this huge opportunity basically, 106 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: this kind of consumer electronics space where metals are being 107 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: used and they're being pushed to the limit. You know, 108 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: you look at all of the housings today, they're all aluminium. 109 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: They're getting so thin, it's almost like an aluminium can 110 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: you get any thinner um? You deal with foil and 111 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: you lose all kind of the structural integratty of the metal. 112 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: Carbon fiber composites are so much stronger than metals, but 113 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: you're not able to get that performance out of them 114 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: at the level for consumer electronics because you have to 115 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: align all the fibers in the right way, and in 116 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: order to do that, you're dealing with people hand laying 117 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: it up, so it's never cost effective. And that's kind 118 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: of one of the things people had always complained about composites. 119 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: You know, they're so expensive. We can never use composites 120 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: here because look at the cost per pound. But what 121 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: most people are missing when when they just look at 122 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: the material cost, is what's what's actually the final product cost? 123 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: And you look at the final product costs for composites, 124 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: like on a pie chart, and you see that the 125 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: majority of the pie is taken up in process costs. Yeah, 126 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: materials are more expensive than metals by a per pound basis, 127 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: but you can use less material than you would require 128 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: of metal, and you can do it in a near 129 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: net process without ways, and all of a sudden you 130 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: have a product that can compete, you know, with the 131 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: with the cost of complex metal assemblies. And that's the 132 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of the opportunity to work in this space and 133 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: to go to take it to mass production was something 134 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: that was just really excited. That's fantastic, and so, like 135 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: you say, because you're using less actual material to accomplish 136 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: the same thing if you were to rely upon stuff 137 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: like metal like aluminum. Really that focus then is on 138 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: figuring out the optimized process of production and then figuring 139 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: out how to scale that. How do you tackle the 140 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: scaling issue. Yeah, it's a big one, and this one 141 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: is is where we relied as much as we could 142 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: on how people have scaled products for the last hundred years. 143 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: And when you look at you know, the vast majority 144 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: of products made today, they're stamped, formed, molded, and that 145 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: pretty much captures this you know, ten trillion dollar manufacturing market. 146 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: And I have spent about a decade in the three 147 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: D printing space, and all the three D printing space 148 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: is really focused on this low volume market. That's a 149 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: tiny sliver of this manufacturing market, and it's certainly going 150 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: to grow more. More stuff will be made through three 151 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: D printing. But but you kind of look around you 152 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: and you start to think, is everything going to be 153 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: mass customized and everything gonna be made, you know, to 154 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: fit me? And that was I think, you know, kind 155 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: of the thought process maybe about ten years ago, and 156 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: more and more people are realizing that's actually not the case. Right, 157 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: Like a medium size shirt fits pretty well, you know, 158 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: the computers are the right size footwear. You know, in 159 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: between sizes good. It doesn't need to be exact, and 160 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: there's no clear benefit to doing a little bit more 161 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: in the in the customization part. So from all of that, 162 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: getting back to your question around you know, how do 163 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: we scale it? How do we go about that? It 164 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: was this added and molding process um you know that 165 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: we developed that combines these benefits of three D printing 166 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: that give you the design freedom and the fiber alignment 167 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: required with the high performance materials you see in aerospace composits, 168 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: and you know the third piece. And really, what what 169 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: makes us unique when when you kind of look around 170 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: at other manufacturing technologies or manufacturing startups, is that we 171 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: just we we took from the molding world, like we 172 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: use hard tooling. We spend the time and the effort 173 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: to set up a line, We pay the capex costs 174 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: because we're focused on making parts, not one, ten, a hundred, 175 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: but millions to hundreds of millions of parts per year. 176 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: That's our market and that's why, you know, we actually 177 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: are so separate and different from you know, the three 178 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: D printing world now, and in some ways we collaborate 179 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: with a number of people in that space because you know, 180 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: we're just in such different markets. Right. That's fantastic too. Yeah. 181 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: I like that you've really found this particular entry point 182 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: and are focusing on this. And the more I learned, 183 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: the more fascinated I become in the subject. This is 184 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: also a really cool chance for me to learn more 185 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: about what your responsibilities are. How do you view your 186 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: responsibilities as CTO. I get the sense that your role 187 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: as CTO is different from maybe a CTO of a 188 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: company that's been around for like, you know, seven decades 189 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: or something. Sure, you know, simply if it's looking ahead, well, 190 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: protecting the technology that we've built and growing that to 191 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: meet the needs that we have. Right so, looking ahead 192 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: and really understanding what is the technology, the materials, the software, 193 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, the systems of process of what all will 194 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: we need to deliver on the hundreds of millions of 195 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: parts that we have coming two years from now. So 196 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: there's kind of a very real targeted goal around what 197 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: we know we need to do with the customers we 198 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: have to deliver, and there's aspects of that R and 199 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: D that are not necessarily deterministic, but at least the 200 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: end goal is and how we get there is still 201 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: what we need to figure out. The other aspect of 202 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: my role is looking into the industries we aren't in 203 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: and how are we going to grow those industries and 204 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: what are the types of products and technologies will need 205 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: to get their Medical is my background, and so that's 206 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: that's certainly an industry that's a personal interest, but one 207 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: that's a little farther off. There's you know, aerospace, industrial construction, wind, 208 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: all of these these we have early engagements with and 209 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, in a CTO, I'm looking at those engagements 210 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: understanding within you know, these large markets, what are the 211 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: best products for us to focus us on, and then 212 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: with those products, what are the technologies that we need 213 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: to build to deliver products in those spaces. I find 214 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: that leaders of your caliber really focus in on defining 215 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: what the outcome needs to be and then they look 216 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: for the technological solutions either from without or they develop 217 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: it from within to achieve that outcome. What are some 218 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: of the unique challenges or opportunities that you face as 219 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: CTO when you are just starting up a company is 220 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: balancing all the ideas come from the people coming in 221 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: that have amazing experiences in tangential spaces that are trying 222 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: to bring in novel ideas and thoughts and processes. A 223 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: big challenges how do we decide what we're going to 224 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: focus on now. It's this balance of we can't give 225 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: up the opportunity to have a post it note type 226 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: of discovery and we've had actually several of the company 227 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: one lad to you know, a capability to create thinner 228 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: structures than any other technology can create. We weren't setting 229 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: out to make the thinnest possible shape we could ever make, 230 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: but it was a byproduct of trying to work in 231 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: a completely other area. And similarly, we've made advancements in 232 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: bio based materials through that kind of same mechanism. So 233 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: you have this kind of way in which people can 234 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: organically focus on things they're interested in and perhaps come 235 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: up with an innovation, and that's exciting, and you have 236 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: to leave some space for that. But on the other end, 237 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: as a startup, you have the practical consideration of you 238 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: need to figure out what's going to make the most 239 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: money for the company with the least amount of time 240 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: or effort. So you have the practical consideration, we gotta 241 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: make money, we gotta make it fast, but we need 242 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: to make sure that we're capturing through I P and 243 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: and other protective measures, and we're developing, you know, new 244 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: technology that could give us even more of an edge. 245 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: I think again, it's like there's tons of ideas, tons 246 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: of opportunities of things to pursue, and the CTO is 247 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: certainly part of the role is helping to grow and 248 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: figure out those ideas. I think it's the ability to 249 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: kind of prioritize and and select what do we pursue immediately, 250 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: what do we hold on too, and then what do 251 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: we ignore entirely? And kind of reassessing that list on 252 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: a weekly and monthly basis is you know, is critical 253 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: in the early phases of a startup, I would imagine, So, yeah, 254 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: that flexibility is something of key importance and being able 255 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: to balance out the desire to pursue innovation versus the 256 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: practical needs of making your numbers. 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So I assume that arists composites 277 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: has to do a lot of collaboration with clients in 278 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: order to create the things that the clients are looking for. 279 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Can you kind of give us some insight onto what 280 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: collaboration with your clients looks like. Yeah, no, it's great, 281 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: and it's it's actually not typical. Our relationships range a 282 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: lot depending on who we're working and their experience with composites. 283 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: There's there's kind of this first phase of education um 284 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: that may or may not be needed depending on who 285 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: we're working with. Then we focus really on what the 286 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: output is of this part. It's it's not just simply 287 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: let's make a part that exists today. You know, an 288 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: automotive and aerial spaces referred to as kind of black aluminum. 289 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: When you try to just throw composites in and replace 290 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: the metal part, the design is really important. We want 291 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: to focus on are we dealing with the right design 292 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: that we can with the best design, and we really 293 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: focus on that element with the customer. We understand what 294 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: they need. After we get the design, we simulate the 295 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: performance again with our software, and then we start, you know, 296 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: making the pieces for for our customer. That's kind of 297 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: the life cycle of it. And one, you know, one 298 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: great example that you know, they became public earlier this 299 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: year is our collaboration with Skydia where we took a bracket. 300 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: It was seventeen different pieces machined out of composite machine 301 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: out of aluminum in China. We took all seventeen pieces 302 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: we made into one single piece, and with that pace, 303 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: we were able to reduce, you know, the way by 304 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: we increase the impact performance. We added new cosmetic capabilities. 305 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: We we created um antenna windows using glass fiber and 306 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: a carbon fiber construction, so tons of different benefits and 307 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: we were able to drive all of that because we're 308 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: able to start with him at the very beginning saying 309 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: what are you trying to achieve with this bracket and 310 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: then really kind of radically going through a you know, 311 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: a redesign process to deliver the best performance for them. Right. So, really, 312 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: the earlier you're involved, I imagine the smoother the collaboration 313 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: tends to be because it can actually become part of 314 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: a design process. I think it's a great way for 315 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: us to segue into some discussion about emerging technologies and 316 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: your view of various emerging technologies and what you feel 317 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: about them and whether or not you are incorporating them 318 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: in various ways. That aris composites, But one is that 319 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: what do you see as the future of composites. Yeah, 320 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: I think the future of composites it comes really back 321 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: to design. It's designing the right part to take advantage 322 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: of the composite performance and be more involved in design 323 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: and not trying to kind of take and replace, you know, 324 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: dumb parts so to speak. With composites. And the other 325 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: big element that plays into design is integration. I think 326 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: there'll be fewer and fewer dumb parts that just play 327 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: a role one one function. They're either thermal to remove heat, 328 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: they're electrical to conduct a signal, they're mechanical to maintain 329 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: rigidity in an area. Right, there's all these kind of 330 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: properties and materials that are introduced to serve one purpose. 331 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: But integration and the capabilities of composites through integration means 332 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: that we'll see more parts. Metal inserts, antenna's, wireless charging 333 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: coils like these are all examples of products we've built 334 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: into composites here at Eris, and I think we're going 335 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: to see more and more of that. Where you have 336 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: a structure or a shell that contains basically all all 337 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: of the wires needed to transmit signals, that contains elements 338 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: of structural health moniting so you can understand how that 339 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: part performs over time. It contains the antenna so that 340 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: you can conduct the signal into or out of the 341 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: device um and it contains the chips that are needed 342 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: to run it with integrated battery. We're seeing a lot 343 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: of this come together already. You know, you look at 344 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: air pods as an example. You look at some of 345 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: the A R v R stuff that's coming. It's moving 346 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: in that direction. I think we're going to start to 347 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: see composites playing a larger role in these structures as 348 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: we look into the next decade. I imagine that one 349 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: area will probably see a lot of development in along 350 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: with composites would be Internet of things because as you're 351 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: pointing out this idea of materials that can fulfill more 352 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: than one function and simplify things, and we're seeing the 353 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: proliferation of you know, inexpensive sensors in all sorts of 354 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: different applications. I would think that composites would play a 355 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: huge role in that continuing to grow absolutely. Yeah. And 356 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: and again it comes to integration, you know, and embedded electronics. 357 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: You know, you see some of it with just people 358 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: doing this with plastics, but it's an inferior material where 359 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: you can have fiber. You can actually conduct some of 360 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: the signal through the fiber. Depend on what fiber you're using, 361 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: you can embed you know, metal wire through to be 362 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: even more even more conductive. When you when you have 363 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: a composite, you have a number of materials that are 364 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: already coming together. Let's add more materials and then those 365 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: huge ease of those materials for a specific outcome and 366 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: integrating all of that to create this kind of right, 367 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: the Internet of things that we're seeing all around us 368 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: is yeah, it is only going to grow. Yeah, And 369 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: I think in many ways this is similar to what 370 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: we were talking about at the top of the show, 371 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: where we said you define a problem and then you 372 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: look for the technologies to help solve that problem. It's 373 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: really more about what's the outcome you want? How do 374 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: you best get there? Yeah, exactly. Well, let's let's talk 375 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: about another technology that is currently maturing and we're seeing 376 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: rolled out. I'm curious to get your thoughts on it 377 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: in general, and that is five G. And I love 378 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: the concept because I love the idea of having areas 379 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: where you've got that good five G concentration, you've got 380 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: high throughput and low latency. I imagine that with a 381 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: lot of the end result products we're talking about here, 382 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: we could easily see them taking advantage of that kind 383 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: of communication channel. What are your thoughts I should I'll 384 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: be the first to say I'm not I'm not an 385 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: expert in five G. For me, my response is probably 386 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: different than anybody else you've had on this podcast, and 387 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: that I'm more interested in what's what it's going to 388 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: do in the in the physical world. Five G is 389 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: certainly going to deliver a lot by exactly what you know, 390 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: what you discuss is going to be able to deliver 391 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: more more data faster than before and with lower latency. 392 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: But what does that mean in terms of how we're 393 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: going to build the infrastructure to support five G? And 394 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: because you know five G is operating at higher like 395 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: at higher frequencies, you end up with you know, shorter 396 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: distances that it can travel, So you need to put 397 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: up a number of these kind of base stations. You 398 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: have not out of these small sale based stations with 399 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: five G towers in them that need to be all 400 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: spread out in order for five G to kind of 401 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: fully capture a space or an area. How are you 402 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: going to make these the traditional ways? You know, you 403 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: come in with a team of three to five people. 404 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: You have you know, steel that you're forming, You're making 405 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: a lot of it on site, you're bringing some of 406 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: it in. You know, it takes a day, maybe multiple days, 407 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: a lot of labor and you get this part up 408 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: um so you use really cheap material, but you use 409 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: again kind of like what we're talking about earlier, but 410 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: high labor costs to get this final structure. And I think, 411 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, five g's an opportunity where we can see 412 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: a change in how we think about the infrastructure. We 413 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: could use composites here, and with composites, again, we'll deal 414 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: with material that's more expensive on a propound basis, but 415 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: we can create modular composite structures that can be assembled 416 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: with maybe one person, maybe two people in a matter 417 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: of hours. You have up your five G tower, and 418 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: so you pay a little bit more on the raw 419 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: material cost, but you get it all up. And the 420 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: fact that they're super easy to assemble and they can 421 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: fit in the back of a truck instead of needing 422 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, a huge kind of construction staff in sight 423 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: coming into to build it. I think from my side, 424 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm really interested in seeing how that plays out and 425 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: and hopefully being involved in in really the growth of 426 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: this new industry and in the growth of a change 427 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: in infrastructure here. That's uh, that's the thing I hadn't 428 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: thought about before. But yeah, the idea of being able 429 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: to bring down the labor costs and to uh to 430 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: improve the speed at which you could install these components. 431 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: I mean that leads to a greater proliferation of the technology. 432 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: I like hearing these different perspectives. Are there any other 433 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: sort of emerging or maturing technologies you find really interesting, 434 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: whether connected to your work or just things that you're 435 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: curious about. Yeah, I think, I mean, you know what 436 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: one thing actually related to work that's emerging and also 437 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: that I've always been curious about, is really the renewable 438 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: material space. Sustainable materials, renewable materials like, but both those fields, 439 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: but in particular the renewable side. There's been a lot 440 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: of kind of recent research and I think we're on 441 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: the cusp of seeing more widespread proliferation of bio derived materials, 442 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: so not coming from petrochemical you know, precursors which in 443 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: addition to kind of coming from oil based product, they're 444 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: actually dependent then on the price of oil and and 445 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: and the refinement of that. And if you have some 446 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: bioderrived materials, they can be grown like for talking about 447 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: castor being for example, they can be grown in a 448 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: number of places and more easily sourced and have less 449 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: of an impact on the environment. We've seen for a 450 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: while now biodrived resins, those have those have existed, and 451 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: now we're seeing more research and more promising outcomes around 452 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: biodrived fibers. It will bring down the cost of carbon 453 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: fiber and it will make it much more sustainable. You 454 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: can get kind of the precursor to carbon fiber made 455 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: through a plant based source as opposed to having to 456 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: make it through the petrochemical precursors. And I'm excited about 457 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: that space and seeing that grow. That sounds really cool. 458 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: Of course, before I could let Riley go, I had 459 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: to ask him one more thing, what, in your mind 460 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: is the most misunderstood technology. I guess in the frame 461 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: of mind of this conversation, I had actually say antenna technology. 462 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: You uh, it's it's one that everyone talks about, and 463 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: certainly lots of people understand the first principles of you know, impedence, gain, attenuation, 464 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: signal like, the fundamental aspects of antenna's are well understood. 465 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: How antenna's integrate into complex structures and their performance in 466 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: those complex structures. I was actually baffled to find how 467 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: much of a black magic it is and a black 468 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: art it is. Still it's it's it's one of the 469 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: most critical aspects to everything around us, our phone, the wearables, 470 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: IoT computers, like every everything is dependent on how well 471 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: is that signal getting out of that device and able 472 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: to get captured by another device in process. Well, Riley, 473 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: this has been a pleasure. Thank you so much for 474 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: joining us, For our show. Yeah no, Jonathan again, thank 475 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. It's an honor 476 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: to be here and to have talked with you about 477 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: all these topics. I very much enjoyed my conversation with Riley. 478 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: It's fascinating to see how some CTO challenges seem universal. 479 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: Whether it's a legacy company or a startup. The technology 480 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: behind the company's solutions is crucial, but just as important 481 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: as getting the right team in place to execute strategies 482 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: by leveraging those technologies. Clearly, composite materials stand to transform 483 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: products in all fields, from consumer electronics to spacecraft of 484 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: the future, and knowing that carbon fibers can augment the 485 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: functionality of electronics without adding extra weight and complexity is 486 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: really exciting. It means the devices of tomorrow have the 487 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: potential to be stronger, lighter, and more versatile than anything 488 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: we have today, and when you pair that with the 489 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: power of five G communications, the applications are truly endless. 490 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: Make certain you join us for future episodes of The 491 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: Restless Ones, where I'll speak with more leaders who aren't 492 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: satisfied with following trends, they're the ones setting them. I'm 493 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland at T Mobile. For business, unconventional thinking means 494 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: we see things differently, so you can focus on what 495 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: matters most. 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