Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Miles.
Speaker 1: We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat. I
Speaker 1: have very talented writer who's written for The La Times,
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone, the New York Times, you know, small small
Speaker 1: publications like that. Her new book is fetishized reckoning with
Speaker 1: yellow Fever, feminism and beauty out in the world. Now
Speaker 1: go buy it. It's a great read, super fascinating. Please
Speaker 1: welcome Kyler's amazing opening.
Speaker 3: It's like I need to think of a better opening
Speaker 3: introduction for myself, like a dramatic one.
Speaker 2: You guys have you can bring me wherever you're going,
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 3: Be my hype man behind me.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I do. Try and bring a boom box
Speaker 2: wherever on your shoulder, Yeah exactly. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: The book is now. Is that like huge relief? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I actually got really depressed the next day.
Speaker 3: So there's a thing called postpartum book publication because I
Speaker 3: went and looked online and there's a ton of articles
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: A lot of build up, and then and then you're
Speaker 1: like having a kid, You're just like, oh, this is it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fun My life hasn't changed overnight. That's pretty much.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like the same thing I think with
Speaker 2: like working on political campaigns too. That happens to people
Speaker 2: the day after election day because everything is leading up
Speaker 2: to one day and then you get on the other
Speaker 2: side of it and you're like, what wait, But.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine you're on the losing side, because if
Speaker 3: you're on the winning side, then you could be depressed,
Speaker 3: but at least we won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the winning side, you're kind of like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: I like, I like didn't talk to anyone the last
Speaker 2: two months to just get through this election or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The book is really amazing, Kyla.
Speaker 2: Jack and I are reading it over the weekend and
Speaker 2: like to one another or into each other's last taking turns,
Speaker 2: taking turns because Jack doesn't Jack doesn't know about the
Speaker 2: Inland Empire. He doesn't know about what.
Speaker 1: Really, I'm from all over the East coast on Midwest.
Speaker 3: People in California don't even know about the Inland Empire.
Speaker 1: It was a fascinating learning experience. I want to learn
Speaker 1: about the Inland Empire.
Speaker 2: I know, I had to explain him what the watching gangs?
Speaker 2: Who watching gangsters work?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: These are these are all very so cal things. But
Speaker 2: that's a so.
Speaker 3: Called Asian exclusively. Yeah, yeah, not Asian.
Speaker 2: That's what I loved about the book. I mean, aside
Speaker 2: from like your very specific experiences, like you know, just
Speaker 2: dealing with you know, the sort of gender expectations and
Speaker 2: beauty standards that come along with being not white in America,
Speaker 2: but like the stuff about just growing up in southern
Speaker 2: California and just the little details that you put in
Speaker 2: that were I'm like, it might not be for everyone,
Speaker 2: but every single like high schools like Eduwanda go On,
Speaker 2: the Heights go On. It was like hitting my brain.
Speaker 3: I was like watching Yes, it was a special time, right,
Speaker 3: it was all the people from that air are very
Speaker 3: nostalgic about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was waiting for one of those Hondas for
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Made me wish my Yeah. And then like working as
Speaker 2: an import modeling, like you've had such a just you
Speaker 2: You've touched every experience. It's a really fascinating book, and
Speaker 2: I think people should definitely check it out, especially for
Speaker 2: the obscure esoteric Asian gang references too.
Speaker 3: You know everything about the important scene which no one's
Speaker 3: ever heard of either.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You learn a lot about parts of the world you
Speaker 1: might not be familiar with, and you also get inssive
Speaker 1: analysis of the Little Mermaid.
Speaker 2: Yes, so very much.
Speaker 1: I always appreciate.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just in Copenhagen looking at that statue.
Speaker 2: Really underwhelming, really yeah, well yeah, so many people are like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go see it, and they're like, it's tiny.
Speaker 2: It's not like some Disney Yeah, no, it nearly is.
Speaker 2: It's oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's no. I think
Speaker 2: American people who are like Little Mermaid statue and they go,
Speaker 2: what is this like art piece? You know what I
Speaker 2: meant at the shore of the water. Yeah. The one
Speaker 2: thing that also really touched my brain was too is
Speaker 2: like sort of I think this happens especially with kids
Speaker 2: of color in America, especially in like the late eighties
Speaker 2: and nineties, like who do I model my life after?
Speaker 2: On TV? Like I don't have an example, and like,
Speaker 2: especially for me being black in Japanese, like there was
Speaker 2: certainly no like black and eese person for me to
Speaker 2: look up to. So I'd be like, so you can
Speaker 2: do karate man or you can do basketball gangster, and
Speaker 2: like trying to figure out like sort of parsing through
Speaker 2: all those things and like trying to land on who
Speaker 2: you are and what you know, Like it's like am
Speaker 2: I who I am? Or am I this version of
Speaker 2: like who do I select from from the available? Like
Speaker 2: characters on TV. I was like a combination of like
Speaker 2: Will Smith. I was mostly like Will Smith. I think
Speaker 2: Will Smith was like because I was like, I wasn't
Speaker 2: full of myself. I wasn't a tough guy, so I
Speaker 2: was never like trying to put on some like tough
Speaker 2: kid persona.
Speaker 3: Although trying to get into watching.
Speaker 2: No, they wouldn't have me, you know, they should be
Speaker 2: like you might you look like maybe you would be
Speaker 2: an sts the Filipino gang they were having me watching.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like I was just like just all of
Speaker 2: these things. It's it's interesting just to see how you know,
Speaker 2: universal that kind of experience it especially for like kids
Speaker 2: of immigrants or just you know, like non white kids
Speaker 2: in the US. So yeah, just all over just really
Speaker 2: really fun and read aside from just like the very
Speaker 2: serious stuff too, which I thought was really poignant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just all the ways that you know, the gap
Speaker 1: between your per like your existence as a human being
Speaker 1: with an inner life, and then the way often white
Speaker 1: men will talk to you.
Speaker 3: Oh have you heard of the Asian fetish being a
Speaker 3: white man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have heard that. My wife is Korean. Actually
Speaker 1: I've been.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker 1: I've been there for many Where are you from from questions? Oh,
Speaker 1: witnessed it? Oh yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3: So I have a friend who is married to a
Speaker 3: Korean woman also, and she's the first Asian he's ever dated.
Speaker 3: He definitely doesn't have an Asian fetish, and he's like
Speaker 3: he gets like little remarks here and there, like questions like,
Speaker 3: oh do you have an Asian you.
Speaker 2: Know, like yeah, yeah, I'm sure you probably getting nudged
Speaker 2: by other pervert dudes who are like hey man, and
Speaker 2: you're like, get it. My fucking wife I'm in love
Speaker 2: with since I was like a young man. No, yeah,
Speaker 2: it is, yeah, it's I mean I think about too,
Speaker 2: like I've like, you know, my friends who are Asian women.
Speaker 2: They talk about how like you know, how much you
Speaker 2: have to really kind of have your head on a
Speaker 2: swivelf a lot of times, because dudes will just are
Speaker 2: purely there to be like Asian, right, okay in that
Speaker 2: voice too, yeah, Or she'll be like I have one
Speaker 2: home grow like I'll go on to date this. If
Speaker 2: the guy says Asian anything, I'm off this, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not even trying to hear it.
Speaker 1: My wife literally had a policy of like she didn't
Speaker 1: really date people who had dated Satan women before because
Speaker 1: she was just like, yeah, I don't want that to
Speaker 1: be your thing. I don't want to be like part
Speaker 1: of your thing for Asian women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feels like not special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she had hurt, like she was like and
Speaker 1: then sometimes they'll be like, oh, it's just like being
Speaker 1: into blondes, and I'm like not really. But it was
Speaker 1: funny because as I was like talking to her about
Speaker 1: the book, she like, all these conversations that she had had,
Speaker 1: we're coming up. So yeah, super fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Some men are very weird the things they feel very
Speaker 3: comfortable saying, yes.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, they live in a consequence free world.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: What is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 2: who you are?
Speaker 5: Okay, So a recent thing for my search history is
Speaker 5: did Christopher Columbus have sex with a manatee? So there's
Speaker 5: apparently like they have all of his journals from his
Speaker 5: like kind of travels around the world, and there's like
Speaker 5: a specific entry where he talks about how he thinks
Speaker 5: he saw a bunch of mermaids and then he says
Speaker 5: like they're not quite as beautiful as I thought they
Speaker 5: would be.
Speaker 2: There, a little lumpy.
Speaker 5: And it's like, clearly they were amanatees. So my question is,
Speaker 5: why isn't that in a prager?
Speaker 2: You sure?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just right there, yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 2: wondering just and chin stroking. They aren't like from Afar
Speaker 2: then is beautiful.
Speaker 5: It's like not horrified. It's just like, yeah, I look,
Speaker 5: I thought they'd be a ten, but they're like an eight.
Speaker 1: So the other who's been at sea for like three months,
Speaker 1: just you know, debilitatingly horny. It's it's that if you've
Speaker 1: seen that movie The Lighthouse, where a big plot point
Speaker 1: is that Robert Pattinson like carves a naked woman out
Speaker 1: of a piece of rock and then like keeps jacking
Speaker 1: off to it's like becomes enchanted by it.
Speaker 2: I really think that is. I think that's what we
Speaker 2: were dealing with for the majority of human history, people
Speaker 2: whose brains were broken by their unbelievable horniness.
Speaker 5: When to answer the question, did Christopher Columbus have sex
Speaker 5: with the manager, the answer is yeah, probably, Yeah, have
Speaker 5: a lot of research. It's like, you know, chances are
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: Just him being like they're not as pretty as I thought,
Speaker 2: has me think that there's a there's a dot dot
Speaker 2: at the end of that sentence. Yeah, but second he's like,
Speaker 2: scratched it out, nothing, nothing but leave me alone. I'm
Speaker 2: writing my journals.
Speaker 1: Came to realize all at once that they weren't as
Speaker 1: beautiful as they seemed at first. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was that changed, but we were in close quarters
Speaker 1: and suddenly I was understood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understood the beauty. Wow that is I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, if we can't get enough people
Speaker 2: to cancel the idea of Christopher Columbus for the era
Speaker 2: of untold you know, colonialism that he ushered in with
Speaker 2: his his explorer, his explorations, maybe it's him fucking amanity
Speaker 2: that can get some people like, oh, he fucked humanity.
Speaker 2: He was writing that in his journal while riding on
Speaker 2: the back. No, I said, he fucked humanity, right.
Speaker 5: I gotta say, Okay, so I'm you know, as a
Speaker 5: Native person, I'm obviously very for Indigenous People's Day. But
Speaker 5: I say, after reading this, I'm not opposed to Columbus
Speaker 5: Day being a holiday. I just think instead of it
Speaker 5: being in October, it should be January tenth, which is
Speaker 5: the date in his journal where he may be the date.
Speaker 2: Wait and why this day young man journals? Will you
Speaker 2: see what is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 4: Underrated? Okay, this is really dumb. But for years and
Speaker 4: years and years I have been driving around without a
Speaker 4: phone holder in my car. Uh huh, and I just
Speaker 4: got I just got one. And we're not talking about
Speaker 4: these things enough. It's amazing decades, Oh my god. Like literally,
Speaker 4: I want to say, the last time I had one
Speaker 4: was probably six ish, more more than five years ago,
Speaker 4: maybe even significantly more so. It really is the type
Speaker 4: of thing where I'm like, wow, I literally have the
Speaker 4: The other day driver is like, my phone's right there.
Speaker 2: Just right there, it's just look down.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. So anyway, I think those little pieces
Speaker 4: of plastic are pretty underrated.
Speaker 2: Prior to that, you were just driving around with it
Speaker 2: in front of your face, with holding it up in
Speaker 2: front of your face an exact same spot where the
Speaker 2: holder would be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had a couple of phones. I have
Speaker 4: the Android item all. I had like a real Goldberg
Speaker 4: machine pro, dash cam, all of it. Yeah, but now
Speaker 4: I just have the one holder. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, always a boxing glove and a that's connected to
Speaker 1: a wheel somehow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like on a plunger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm that like spins for it and kicks something.
Speaker 4: Usually I'm usually driving down Banana Peel Lane.
Speaker 1: And is it a phone holder that connects into the
Speaker 1: air conditioning vent.
Speaker 4: Yes, but it is also one that has enough space
Speaker 4: so that it it's like I can still feel the
Speaker 4: air from that. Then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Sounds like you got a good one out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta.
Speaker 2: Search Reddit you search readit to figure out what's one
Speaker 2: to get? No, that one.
Speaker 4: I just took that one. I just took a stab
Speaker 4: in the dard because I think what I think what
Speaker 4: happened was the phone foul or something. I was like,
Speaker 4: let me just get one of these fucking things right now.
Speaker 2: I think you were doing the search on a broken
Speaker 2: phone from the falling.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, phone holder for a car, and then you just
Speaker 1: hit the unfeeling. But that's not even a thing anymore,
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, do they even have they do they do?
Speaker 2: Here, I'm gonna do right now, still holder for car
Speaker 2: and guess what, assholes at Google. I'm feeling fucking lucky. Oh,
Speaker 2: it just fucking fel It doesn't even give I didn't
Speaker 2: realize what it does. It just sends you to whatever
Speaker 2: you to the top results. Oh yeah, that sent me
Speaker 2: straight to Amazon.
Speaker 4: I'm amazing.
Speaker 2: They should I feel like they should be like, I'm
Speaker 2: feeling really lucky and like you hit that and you
Speaker 2: just like get the thing whatever they want to send you.
Speaker 2: They're just like, yeah, you just bought that shit. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put Tame and Paula tickets refreshed. I'm feeling lucky.
Speaker 2: There you go, send me straight to fucking Ticketmaster. There
Speaker 2: you go, there are good friends at Ticketmaster. What is something,
Speaker 2: Blair that you think is overrated?
Speaker 6: Thank you for asking, Jack, And it's gonna have to
Speaker 6: be laboo boos. I don't want a stuffed animal attach
Speaker 6: to my purse.
Speaker 2: Stop it.
Speaker 6: I'm not falling victim to your beanie baby ass craze reboot. Okay,
Speaker 6: I don't like reboots in general, and I don't give
Speaker 6: a shit about laboo boos and I think they're weird,
Speaker 6: even though I love stuffed animals.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 6: Doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: Oh you love stuffed animals.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in the privacy of my own goddamn cave, like
Speaker 6: I'm not walking around.
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, wait animal cave. Wait you you really
Speaker 2: focus stuffed animals like that?
Speaker 6: I have no Okay, if I'm going to be I've
Speaker 6: already revealed so much on this show over the last decade.
Speaker 6: I have one weighted, like six pound bear that is
Speaker 6: sort of like a weighted blanket that I sleep with.
Speaker 6: And then I have one stuffed animal from my childhood
Speaker 6: named Gerilli that I have recently brought from my parents'
Speaker 6: house up to here because it was like a thing
Speaker 6: with me and my brother. So that's like a little
Speaker 6: comfort thing. So at the current moment, I have two.
Speaker 2: In my oka. I thought you were like low key,
Speaker 2: like you really into stuff.
Speaker 1: He's no miles.
Speaker 6: That'd be freaky, okay, just because I researched octopuses for
Speaker 6: several hours.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have like freaking at all.
Speaker 6: Doesn't like I'm some freak adult stuffy house a freaky ash.
Speaker 1: I turns around in just a roomful of stuff to
Speaker 1: animals just watching Blair.
Speaker 2: She has them all set up like it looks like
Speaker 2: a comedy club audience. They all have to have drinks
Speaker 2: and food. Little flickering should be.
Speaker 6: Really funny to do a special to that.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should do that.
Speaker 6: I'll I'll give you writing credit.
Speaker 2: You know you have to just invite us. That's well,
Speaker 2: but we would have to like hide behind.
Speaker 6: Is you know you have to be inside stage.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll wait and the wings going with my hands
Speaker 2: cushed with the splayer. You're doing it. You're doing it.
Speaker 3: Put in the hospital if I did that?
Speaker 2: Pro Wait, do you know do you have contemporaries that
Speaker 2: are fucking with bos? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of them and actually like a few
Speaker 6: of my favorite people. So no shade to them if
Speaker 6: they listen to this. I support you in your freaky
Speaker 6: ass like endevas, but I think they're weird and I
Speaker 6: would never participate no matter what.
Speaker 2: And they should be ashamed of themselves. The weighted stuff
Speaker 2: to bear that kind of acts as a way to blanket.
Speaker 2: Does it lay on you face down or face up?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Jock, I'm just trying to get that here,
Speaker 2: just like I'm trying podcast.
Speaker 3: This kind of perverted us question.
Speaker 2: Like a face down?
Speaker 6: Which way my weighted up bear is face I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just like picturing a bear like laying face down, life,
Speaker 2: asking is it north to south? What are we talking about? Ahead?
Speaker 6: I mean it's on my chest usually or in my
Speaker 6: or I'm craddling it.
Speaker 2: You know what, six pounds. I feel like that's like
Speaker 2: I get a blanket because that weight is distributed pretty eagerly.
Speaker 2: That's just like just having one of contact of.
Speaker 6: Like chest and it's like, yeah, okay. When I'm when
Speaker 6: I'm struggling watching.
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to make it horney. I was just
Speaker 2: trying to like get a now where I was. That's
Speaker 2: where Jack's particular things come out to laugh with you.
Speaker 2: He's nervously texting me right now there, He's blair mad.
Speaker 2: Cut this out, Cut this out, Cut this out? Why
Speaker 2: are you texting me this?
Speaker 1: I just think it's a funny visual image a bear
Speaker 1: lying either face down on top of you or face
Speaker 1: up on top of you, I know that's just me.
Speaker 2: You have no idea how I'm a weird though. The
Speaker 2: face to face is like you're hugging the bear, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And then outwardly also feels more
Speaker 2: like a display hug, ye know what I mean, And
Speaker 2: you tell the bear I'm finna grab you by the waist. Yeah,
Speaker 2: does it say that?
Speaker 6: Sometimes it doesn't speak if you can believe it.
Speaker 2: Know what your money's on.
Speaker 6: But just a nervous system tool that's kind of cozy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, help your limbic system out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, calm down. That a michdala exactly.
Speaker 2: Bra.
Speaker 6: Why does it make me laugh so hard? Every time
Speaker 6: you bring out.
Speaker 2: You gotta bring out terror of the god? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: If you're not doing rain, what's it all about? What's
Speaker 2: it all about? How are we going to navigate these
Speaker 2: emotional trials and tribulations? Jack, you know about this, recognize
Speaker 2: allow investigate nurtures like this like therapist spiritual woman who
Speaker 2: like broadcasts I think from like DC Virginia and Maryland
Speaker 2: are somewhere in the d MV. But like my dad,
Speaker 2: I remember, He's like I've been listening to this Terra
Speaker 2: Brock Lady. Her voice is so soothing, and she just
Speaker 2: has like these like sort of long form talks about
Speaker 2: like you know, our emotions and things like that.
Speaker 6: And she's a meditation teacher and yeah, her voice is
Speaker 6: like just very like almost hypnotizing.
Speaker 2: Really, it's like it's like the goaded NPR voice. It's
Speaker 2: like a walk around. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If we're going
Speaker 2: goded NPR voices, it's Tara Brock Terry Gross.
Speaker 6: When I used to lead some online breathwork classes, I'd
Speaker 6: always be like, I wonder how this.
Speaker 3: Sounding for them?
Speaker 2: Are you doing? Wait, how would you do it? Are
Speaker 2: you doing really soft? Are you projecting? Is it more
Speaker 2: like as.
Speaker 3: I can't remember, No, I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's so long ago.
Speaker 2: To breathe in.
Speaker 3: Sometimes people will.
Speaker 6: Come up to me and be at the show and
Speaker 6: be like I took one of your breathwork classes, and
Speaker 6: I'm always like, wow, that's so.
Speaker 2: Weird, Like after you stand up, yeah, like I mean like.
Speaker 6: Wow, you've seen so many different sides of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, genre, yeah, it doesn't matter. Love you hit the
Speaker 2: Blairsckey Triple Crown.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Oh, very weird, girl. Let's Uh, let's take a quick
Speaker 2: break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and yeah, there's a new gallop pole
Speaker 1: that says the capital is is at a they started
Speaker 1: asking about this, They didn't even think to ask about
Speaker 1: this until twenty ten.
Speaker 2: They're like, wait, do we like capitalism?
Speaker 1: Is this a good thing? And back then, uh, sixty
Speaker 1: one percent of people approved of capitalism. And then they
Speaker 1: were like, and fucking why not ask what do you
Speaker 1: think of socialism? And back then thirty six percent of
Speaker 1: people approved of socialism. So since then, capitalism has slid
Speaker 1: seven percentage points, socialism has gone up three percentage points.
Speaker 1: Socialism's fighting a fucking tough uphill battle in the United States, But.
Speaker 2: Why do you way to put that tough uphill battle
Speaker 2: against those propagandized people on the PA. I do like,
Speaker 2: just think this is worth noting. Like we're we're bombarded.
Speaker 1: With news and daily realities that make it seem like
Speaker 1: this version of capitalism is like unceasing, an unbeatable and
Speaker 1: we'll be here forever. But I do think that's at
Speaker 1: least partially it feels that way because we're inside the
Speaker 1: propaganda machine four capitalism. You know, they will cover like
Speaker 1: the the local news covers like doorbuster sales, like their
Speaker 1: sporting events, and then they like won't cover the fact that,
Speaker 1: like a local corporation or like a local country club
Speaker 1: has been caught poisoning your water supply.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, how long has that one lady been in
Speaker 2: line for PlayStation?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you see black you see black Friday videos of
Speaker 5: like an old lady getting stabbed over a PS five
Speaker 5: as like the person of the stabbings of the hero.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 2: These people are about Dealsers will be like, my kid's
Speaker 2: been talking about that too. I mean, I get it,
Speaker 2: I get it. You're like, what about the poisoned water? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well, One thing I just want to highlight that you
Speaker 5: brought up is, like it is so twenty ten, their
Speaker 5: positive ratings for capitalism is sixty one percent. Now it's
Speaker 5: fifty four percent. That means that since twenty ten, after
Speaker 5: multiple financial collapses, record highunemployment, price increases, CEOs having so
Speaker 5: much money that they're literally building multimillion dollar doomsday bunkers,
Speaker 5: only seven percent of people have been like, wait a second,
Speaker 5: capitalism has given me second thoughts.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's where like the people's probably
Speaker 2: definitely they probably like that people are asking, like I
Speaker 2: don't even know the definition.
Speaker 1: It's like we do, like what do you think of water?
Speaker 1: It's just yah, yeah I love it?
Speaker 2: Do I love it? Or just like it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like is it bad? They're like asking
Speaker 2: the polster is it bad? Well, no, I'm asking you that. Oh.
Speaker 1: But even like the people who don't know to be like,
Speaker 1: I'm slightly less enthusiastic about capitalism, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: we're seeing these little things like the Zorin story, which
Speaker 1: it's you know, the not the story the actual event,
Speaker 1: which has the story of the event of his like
Speaker 1: you know, shocking political win has been like this guy
Speaker 1: might be a very talented politician. It's like treated as
Speaker 1: like a lightning bolt out of the clear blue sky. Oh,
Speaker 1: instead of exactly what you would expect to happen. If
Speaker 1: you know, you live in a world where every fucking
Speaker 1: day there's more news about the devastating consequences of this
Speaker 1: current system that we live in. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not like major progress, but I do feel like
Speaker 1: there is a thing happening that like, you know, people
Speaker 1: just like why the feeling in their bones is telling
Speaker 1: them that like something is wrong around them. They might
Speaker 1: not know the exact wording for it, but I do
Speaker 1: feel like there is progress being made.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it's like in the the anime tricks when like
Speaker 5: when the runner is just like wait a second, I
Speaker 5: can see a numbers ahead of me or something exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's like, what's that?
Speaker 1: Like, there's this have you seen this VH one video
Speaker 1: that is making the rounds? That's like I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what, Like it's a Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Fabulous Life of.
Speaker 1: Fabulous Life of And it's a segment about this New
Speaker 1: York billionaire that I don't know. If Miles you can,
Speaker 1: you can play it for a second year. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this is like where we're coming from that I just
Speaker 1: want to play for you.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I totally remember this like intro.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Wow, this guy seems cool.
Speaker 2: I wonder who he could be. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Financier Jeffrey Epstein WHOA Jeff was a high school math
Speaker 7: teacher until he traded his blackboard for the big board
Speaker 7: in nineteen seventy six, actually launching his own exclusive finance
Speaker 7: fum A billionaire clients. But he just couldn't keep out
Speaker 7: of the classroom when.
Speaker 2: You dude, that line, that line, he just couldn't keep
Speaker 2: that classroom.
Speaker 5: It's just so jarring to see his story over like
Speaker 5: the VH one behind the music.
Speaker 2: Like record scratch. And then he did this other thing, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: A new house. He bought himself an entire schoolhouse and
Speaker 7: transformed it into the largest single residence in all of Manhattan.
Speaker 7: Uh shopping fifty one thousand square.
Speaker 2: Feete, Hey, somebody should look into it. Yeah yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, sample what the fuck?
Speaker 1: But that's where we're coming from. Where like that was
Speaker 1: deemed like there Later there's like a a guy from
Speaker 1: like Paper magazine, which was like a you know, hipster
Speaker 1: magazine that is just like, man, this guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you got three planes, your life's can.
Speaker 1: Be pretty cool, I guess, like talking about his trip
Speaker 1: to Africa with Bill Clinton and Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hanging out with the big wigs like Bill Clinton
Speaker 5: and Kevin.
Speaker 7: Spaceman and a Boeing seven twenty seven with of course
Speaker 7: an in flight trading room.
Speaker 2: He has a Boeing seven twenty seven. I'm just wondering, now,
Speaker 2: what do you need a commercial five airliner four.
Speaker 7: Good question, huh handy when you've got powerful friends to
Speaker 7: fly around. Oh when Bill Clinton organized a week longer.
Speaker 2: So fucking disturbing.
Speaker 7: His personal seven twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Wow Wow wow, wow, Wow.
Speaker 1: That's where we're coming from. Yeah, yeah, exactly, so we're
Speaker 1: making progress. I think everybody like from that point of view,
Speaker 1: where like that was just the steady buzz in the
Speaker 1: background was just like this guy's cool, he's a billionaire.
Speaker 1: To like, now we get to see what actually goes
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes of somebody like that.
Speaker 5: I do gotta say, I think that this video is
Speaker 5: showing me what Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein have done together,
Speaker 5: and that's they're just trading ideas, guys idea.
Speaker 2: It's just ideaway man on an idea. Who needs a plane?
Speaker 2: That song song deep Dig, A little fucking deep? Why
Speaker 2: why do you buy us? School? I know, it's like
Speaker 2: funny that they like kind of there are all these
Speaker 2: like heap question.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way, like during the research for
Speaker 1: the segment didn't encounter, for instance, that one of those
Speaker 1: planes was nicknamed the low lead.
Speaker 2: To Express, Right, I'm the lor Leader Express. I wonder
Speaker 2: what's going on there? Or just answering that question like
Speaker 2: why why does he need a plane that big? Anyway?
Speaker 1: Moving on, So those just things that people can't deny
Speaker 1: that they're saying with their own eyes.
Speaker 2: Are well, he was charged a year before this episod
Speaker 2: so their is that really hard? Criminal charges in Palm
Speaker 2: Beach in two thousand and six. This shit came out
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven. But hey, look he's got money,
Speaker 2: I mean, and that's the same thing. Like it wouldn't
Speaker 2: have even mattered because that shows like this were just
Speaker 2: purely focused on we look at all the money, look
Speaker 2: at what money do that. Of course they're like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, freaking ignore the charges. He's Bill Clinton's friend,
Speaker 2: he's got a jet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I feel like that that's not too far
Speaker 1: from where our current even mainstream media would like to
Speaker 1: keep things like oh yeah, they're just like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's fun. They're billionaires, man, who knows what goes on there?
Speaker 1: And then when somebody like is actually like capitalism might
Speaker 1: be bad, we should like do some things to push
Speaker 1: back against it. They're like, shock election result, what the
Speaker 1: these people must be watching must be brainwashed by the
Speaker 1: new Jurassic Park movie.
Speaker 5: As we talked about their reaction, I am brainwashed by
Speaker 5: your Jurassic Park movie.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that is fair.
Speaker 1: Those are explanation for the Zorammdani. When is uh all
Speaker 1: these people must be you know, it's from watching all
Speaker 1: these Hollywood movies with socialist message.
Speaker 2: They're like, they think he's a velociraptor. I better vote
Speaker 2: for him. I don't want him to attack me. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean like this goes along with like you know,
Speaker 2: in the US now, our rights are just rapidly eroding,
Speaker 2: and we have an administration that is just hell bent
Speaker 2: on redefining what freedom even means in like any context
Speaker 2: for every person. And luckily we have an ill equipped,
Speaker 2: naive and frightened opposition party in the Democrats, to essentially
Speaker 2: piss themselves as they pray for some kind of well
Speaker 2: timed blood clot to happen.
Speaker 1: I think that's all they've got right now. Oh you
Speaker 1: currently the mainstream you.
Speaker 5: Know who I think is going to solve all this
Speaker 5: this Cuomo?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Chris Cuomo Andrew get the younger Cuomo, the
Speaker 2: cooler one. But yeah, they're currently the Democratic Party is
Speaker 2: just ever since election day, they have just been chugging
Speaker 2: advice on being more centrist as a way to fight
Speaker 2: back and win voters, and it's essentially operating on the
Speaker 2: same like bullshit idea that like fighting for people's rights
Speaker 2: forcefully was too woke and not even forcefully, I shouldn't
Speaker 2: even say that that merely talking about the lack of
Speaker 2: rights people have in this country was too woke and
Speaker 2: cost them the election. And they're saying that, look, we
Speaker 2: just need to go back to the status quote talking
Speaker 2: points in language. So in Politico they got this memo
Speaker 2: that was shared that was being circulated amongst democratic circles
Speaker 2: from this you know, centrist democrat think tank, the Third Way,
Speaker 2: and they're just a terrible organization, and they their whole
Speaker 2: thing is like they put out a list of forty
Speaker 2: five work quote forty five words and phrases they want
Speaker 2: Democrats to avoid using, alleging the terms a quote wall
Speaker 2: between us and everyday people of all races, religions and ethnicities.
Speaker 2: It's a set of words that the Third Way suggests
Speaker 2: quote people simply do not say. Yet they hear them
Speaker 2: from Democrats right, these terms. It's all messaging, man, It's
Speaker 2: it's got to be messaging. It can't be the thing
Speaker 2: that they're saying. It has to be how they're saying it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think it's funny that essentially what they're
Speaker 5: saying is like, look, you can talk about whatever you want.
Speaker 5: We just think could be really make Middle America more
Speaker 5: up in your ideas if you sprinkled a few slurs
Speaker 5: and yeah like that or some f bombs.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of these terms just think sound
Speaker 2: like things that wealthy people who are in control if
Speaker 2: things are tired of hearing about. Is what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and I mean some of it, like stakeholders.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind if people stopped saying stakeholders all the time.
Speaker 5: But like you know, I think the only thing my
Speaker 5: friends are talking about stakeholders stakeholder.
Speaker 1: That's like business speak. Yeah, yeah, that's like CEO talk.
Speaker 2: Here are some of the terms, Okay, privilege, violence as
Speaker 2: in environmental violence dialogue, just like the things that they
Speaker 2: have that they're being accused of. Yeah, yeah, triggering, othering, microaggression,
Speaker 2: holding space, body shaming, subverting norms, what subverting norms? Systems,
Speaker 2: systems of oppression? Culture? About that, dude, cultural appropriation.
Speaker 8: We gotta shot the overtin window, existential threads to the climate, democracy, economy,
Speaker 8: radical transparency, stakeholders, the unhoused, food insecurity, housing insecurity people,
Speaker 8: person who immigrated, birthing person cisgender dead naming, heteronormative patriarchy.
Speaker 2: Lgbt Q i A plus, bipoc ally ship, incarcerated people,
Speaker 2: involuntary confinement. That's just a that's just a little sample
Speaker 2: of what they're they're talking about. Like it sounds like
Speaker 2: also a lot of these things are tied to, you know,
Speaker 2: societal ills that we're trying to wrect.
Speaker 5: I think that that's like part of my issue is
Speaker 5: like is it is it that they don't like the
Speaker 5: word useag or they just like stop talking about LGBTQ
Speaker 5: issues in bipoc people, you know, Right.
Speaker 2: It depends on your flavor, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: this is one of the third way executives said, quote,
Speaker 2: we are doing our best to get Democrats to talk
Speaker 2: like normal people and stop talking like they're leading a
Speaker 2: seminar at Antioch. Right. We think language is one of
Speaker 2: the more of the central problems we face with normy
Speaker 2: voters signaling that we are out of touch with how
Speaker 2: they live, think and talk. Okay, First of all, they
Speaker 2: offer no alternate options for how to speaking, so what
Speaker 2: are you fucking saying? Also, let's be more direct and
Speaker 2: actually address the problems that are.
Speaker 1: Facing these things. Maybe I could get behind that and
Speaker 1: like just use normal words to do it, because I
Speaker 1: do think like in some way, in the same way
Speaker 1: we talk about like obscure language being used to like
Speaker 1: make it so that economic shit is like confusing and
Speaker 1: you can't understand what's going on, I do feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes people use like obscure language to academics, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: academic things, academic language to address these things that are
Speaker 1: actually like problems that they don't plan on addressing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 5: It seems like basically what they're asking for is instead
Speaker 5: of saying the unhoused have food insecurity, you should say
Speaker 5: bums be hungy.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It's truly like they like they're basically freaked
Speaker 2: out by people saying trans people deserve rights and like
Speaker 2: that we stopped again calling unhoused people bums and hobos
Speaker 2: or some shit, right, And I look, I agree there
Speaker 2: is something cringe about hearing certain democrats evoke kind of
Speaker 2: like this language, But it's not because like I don't
Speaker 2: think this is a uh, this isn't a vernacular issue. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is like a fucking authenticity issue because when the
Speaker 2: people bring stuff up like food insecurity or inequality, housing inequality,
Speaker 2: I think the fact that they like they're not even
Speaker 2: putting forward policies that even remotely address these things, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just sounds hollow. So more than that, people are like,
Speaker 2: they say stuff like Dud's bullshit. People are just tired
Speaker 2: of hearing them say shit they don't actually follow through
Speaker 2: on because plenty of people if you said we need
Speaker 2: you know, you need to make houses cheaper or address
Speaker 2: housing insecurity or food, people are like, yeah, that's right,
Speaker 2: that's intersecting with my life. And again, I think the
Speaker 2: times we're in right now, it calls for like a
Speaker 2: radical departure from the status quo, which again is something
Speaker 2: this party is fatally committed to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it does feel like there is something
Speaker 5: to the idea of like being like, you know, being
Speaker 5: a little bit more relatable and how that you talk.
Speaker 5: You know, like that's why like one of the reasons
Speaker 5: people have Tim Walls so much is that like he
Speaker 5: seems like a dude. But it's like it doesn't feel
Speaker 5: like the purpose of this is that. It feels like
Speaker 5: the purpose of this is just like stop stop talking
Speaker 5: about trans rites.
Speaker 2: You know, like, yeah, well, what they're doing is because
Speaker 2: you hear all the time the talk about quote the
Speaker 2: groups is how the establishment Democratic Party talks about They
Speaker 2: talk about activism, and they say the groups they're getting
Speaker 2: up our ass about fucking not defending the environment or
Speaker 2: climate degradation or you know, addressing unhoused people. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, they're so noisy. So this is basically
Speaker 2: saying get rid of And these are all the groups.
Speaker 2: The people who are talking about radical transparency in our government,
Speaker 2: that's an activist group. There's an activist block talking about
Speaker 2: systems of oppression. That's group talk. Cultural appropriate that I'm
Speaker 2: tired of hearing from people of color about this. Let's
Speaker 2: we don't like, let's exclude them. And that's how this reads.
Speaker 2: It's not about actually addressing any of this shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like with policy, because yeah, you can I can
Speaker 2: totally see how you can say, let's stop saying housing insecurity,
Speaker 2: let's say affordable housing, or like, hey, let's make shit
Speaker 2: cheaper to talk about the right, and you know, like
Speaker 2: There's a tweet where some centrist dem was like crying
Speaker 2: over the fact that progressives had like a charismatic candidate
Speaker 2: in Zorn Mumdani, and like they're like, We're like, why
Speaker 2: can't we have someone that captures the public's imagination like
Speaker 2: Zorin does but for centrism they said that shit like
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 5: And whenever I think of his ideas, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 5: thanks for painting the picture, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, so fucking sucks and good yeah, like, hey,
Speaker 2: fuck with read the fucking room. People aren't following Mamdani
Speaker 2: because he's like Riz Khalifa out here just activating people's Like,
Speaker 2: it's because he's passionate about talking about fucking inequality and
Speaker 2: some of the policy prescriptions people can actually connect in
Speaker 2: their brains to how it will affect their own lives,
Speaker 2: rather than be.
Speaker 1: Like, can we find somebody with the suave charisma of
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? It's just he just says
Speaker 2: the thing that people want to be said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter how he fucking says it.
Speaker 2: He's just saying the thing. Yeah. There's just like there's
Speaker 2: even like another quote from one of these think tank
Speaker 2: people where they're just like, you know, like the so
Speaker 2: much of it. Essentially, like the way to push back
Speaker 2: against Republicans is to first agree with their flawed premise
Speaker 2: that they're putting out to debate over, agree with that,
Speaker 2: and then debate within that flawed premise or that context
Speaker 2: that actually speaking truth to power, like that's their whole thing.
Speaker 2: So like, for example, that the federal siege of DC,
Speaker 2: they're like, well, we don't want people are gonna get
Speaker 2: the idea that Democrats don't care about crime if they're
Speaker 2: against what Trump is saying. Because Trump is saying they're
Speaker 2: going in because of the crime. It's like, but that's bullshit,
Speaker 2: that's not why you're there. Be very easy to point
Speaker 2: that out exactly. I would say that they're shifting the
Speaker 2: Overton window, but I don't want the Democratic police to
Speaker 2: arrest me. It's just so wild too. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna police speech as a way to yeah, right,
Speaker 2: recapture our voice. That's more realistic in line, It's like,
Speaker 2: do they really think too that people who don't live
Speaker 2: in like metropolitan areas or like larger cities aren't being
Speaker 2: affected by things like housing, insecurity, or food insecurity.
Speaker 1: Like that's just city talk or some shit. Joey, could
Speaker 1: you translate that for me?
Speaker 5: Yeah, hobos be hungy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the boat sorry, bo's be hung. That was a
Speaker 2: Republican thing. Now actually I think that way. Are you
Speaker 2: running for Senate because I could, You've got my boat.
Speaker 2: This guy tells it like it is like so fucking wild.
Speaker 2: And again, like we talk all the time about crime,
Speaker 2: it's like like conceding this idea or seeing this idea
Speaker 2: like crime is just a thing like people of color
Speaker 2: do in cities, rather than being like, you know, this
Speaker 2: is like the result of having no financial recourse or
Speaker 2: stability in your communities, like you have to resort to
Speaker 2: like extra legal options to do things like that. That
Speaker 2: that's one thing, but again that's a headier idea of
Speaker 2: to wrap your head around, and I think that's what
Speaker 2: they're also trying to like avoid generally. It's like we
Speaker 2: can't we can't just stop, we can't keep explaining these
Speaker 2: kinds of things. Fine, but you can still you can
Speaker 2: still espouse these same values in a way that maybe
Speaker 2: doesn't sound as academic to just say, like stop talking
Speaker 2: about this at all. I think just really sort of
Speaker 2: reveals that their whole thing is like we're trying to
Speaker 2: haul all progress here. We're trying to literally need to
Speaker 2: go back to like nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1: You've had the charismatic people for centrism. You had you know,
Speaker 1: Barack Obama. He was so charismatic. He used the language
Speaker 1: of the left with like hope and change, and you know,
Speaker 1: just had the energy of somebody that was actually going
Speaker 1: to change things. And then he laundered that energy into
Speaker 1: fucking you know, centrism that didn't go anywhere. So now
Speaker 1: like it's it's like, you know, people who have had
Speaker 1: we've had that before, and now we're inoculated against it
Speaker 1: and it doesn't fucking work anymore. Yeah, So like that's
Speaker 1: why there's no more like everybody lived through that. There's
Speaker 1: like a major financial crisis. He swept to power with
Speaker 1: like language of like hope and change, and like you know,
Speaker 1: then proceeded to bail out big banks, and now people
Speaker 1: are like kind of inoculated against that. So that there's
Speaker 1: your fucking problem, and now you actually have to do
Speaker 1: the fucking change, uh, and less less on the hope.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I've got an answer to all of this,
Speaker 5: and that's getting the endorsement of Megan McCain.
Speaker 2: Triangulation if Megan McCain likes it, right, Megan McCain, Oh,
Speaker 2: how hard do you think.
Speaker 1: They're lobbying Barack Obama to run again in the next election.
Speaker 2: I feel like just to be like, fucking all bets
Speaker 2: are off, you know, yeah, yeah, you can do it.
Speaker 2: Why don't you do it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like that's probably where we're headed. Like, if
Speaker 1: they have their way, obviously, I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 5: How do you think they're lobbying for Joe Biden to
Speaker 5: run again? You only got one term, you can get
Speaker 5: another one.
Speaker 2: Saying I'm just saying, with Obama as vice president, we're
Speaker 2: look into the future and Obama's your main Surian candidate.
Speaker 2: If Biden goes down that you get Obama again. Biden
Speaker 2: goes oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Obama might have had two
Speaker 2: terms as president. He said zero terms this vice president.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back,
Speaker 9: and we're back.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many reasons this might be one
Speaker 2: of our last gentlemen, It's been a privilege and an
Speaker 2: honor podcasting with you this evening. Yeah, now get out
Speaker 2: our violins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can just play like shit because I don't know
Speaker 1: how to play the violin.
Speaker 2: That would be amazing if like one of the people
Speaker 2: was just like, sorry, I'm freaking out a little bit.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 1: Also I'm not very good.
Speaker 2: Do you know this? The fucking ship is really listing?
Speaker 2: Oh man, are we still gonna play? My hands are
Speaker 2: so fucking sweaty right now. How are you guys playing?
Speaker 4: Does they won't have an scored?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be much easier if I can just play something,
Speaker 2: some kind some chamber of music. But yeah, I only
Speaker 2: say that and maybe flippantly, maybe sincerely because AI. I mean,
Speaker 2: it sounds like they're gearing up to take over the
Speaker 2: podcasting world because the Hollywood Reporter recently had a piece
Speaker 2: where they spoke with the people behind Inception AI, and
Speaker 2: they make just a fuck ton of AI podcasts. I'll
Speaker 2: get to the numbers in a second. And they try
Speaker 2: to frame this article like in the beginning, like, god,
Speaker 2: are people aren't like networks tired of paying like humans
Speaker 2: to talk, or like paying celebrities like these crazy deals?
Speaker 2: I do get what's the.
Speaker 1: Most appointing, what's the most annoying part of podcasts having.
Speaker 2: That's the worst fucking part, am I right, ladies, this
Speaker 2: year is so random. But anyway, the CEO of this
Speaker 2: AI company is a former exec from Wondery, another podcast network,
Speaker 2: and the Jack alluded to her like Facebook post that
Speaker 2: she put it out to like announce this thing. Hey,
Speaker 2: this is the full part. I'm thrilled to emerge from
Speaker 2: stealth and share the public debut of Inception Point AI,
Speaker 2: the company I joined as co founder and CEO this summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to what an.
Speaker 2: Opening sorry emerge from still, to emerge from stealth and
Speaker 2: share this like is such a great way to open
Speaker 2: any work of social media.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can join as a co founder.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's because someone with a fuck ton
Speaker 2: of money goes, Hey, we'd love for you to be
Speaker 2: the face of this thing, to give us some credibility.
Speaker 2: You want to be co founder, we'll make ceo. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because also, like I guess, I guess I haven't heard
Speaker 2: that phrase emerge from stealth before, but goddamn little little
Speaker 2: wonky use of that word. Thrilled to take off my
Speaker 2: ghost protocol hood and reveal that I'm that I've joined
Speaker 2: an AI podcast company goes on. As Jack said, we
Speaker 2: believe that in the near future, half of the people
Speaker 2: on the planet will be AI. That's when my eyes
Speaker 2: rolled into the back of my head and I go,
Speaker 2: we're cooked that You if their people sip in the
Speaker 2: AI kool aid? This hard? I mean, fucking yikes. She
Speaker 2: goes on to say, we're bringing these people to life,
Speaker 2: and we're bringing the next generation content business model, all
Speaker 2: powered by AI. In the process, we built what we
Speaker 2: believe could be the first AI talent management agency with
Speaker 2: an extensive roster of fake ass people we created with algorithms.
Speaker 4: And that's that's been a thing already too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we've had these voices, these voice models being
Speaker 2: created and things like that, but now they're really trying
Speaker 2: to like brand each one and be like and they
Speaker 2: do all kinds of stuff. So their whole model is
Speaker 2: essentially to flood the zone with shit podcasts, but because
Speaker 2: their overhead is so low, they can make a profit
Speaker 2: on a laughably small number of listens. This is from
Speaker 2: the higher report quote. The company is able to produce
Speaker 2: each episode for one dollar or less, depending on length
Speaker 2: and complexity, and attached programmatic advertising to it. This generally
Speaker 2: means that if about twenty people listen to that episode.
Speaker 2: The company made a profit on that episode without factoring
Speaker 2: in overhead inception. Point Air has already made more than
Speaker 2: five thousand shows across its network and produces more than
Speaker 2: three thousand episodes a week. Wow, and yeah been up
Speaker 2: for like a couple of years, which does again beg
Speaker 2: the question of joining as a co founder two years in.
Speaker 2: It's good negotiating tactic. Really, I'm going to see.
Speaker 1: This being just like like a nonstarter because I do
Speaker 1: think that the thing people look for from podcasts is humanity.
Speaker 1: It's like a thing that like they're not just necessarily
Speaker 1: looking for like some quick way to get a voice
Speaker 1: facts shoveled into their brain. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: the time you could read an article if you wanted that,
Speaker 1: or like have an article.
Speaker 2: Read to you.
Speaker 1: But I could also see that is kind of ruining
Speaker 1: things because they're going to be flooding the zone with
Speaker 1: so much shit.
Speaker 4: That's the that's the part right there, that's the Amazon thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's going to be so many bad podcasts indistinguishable
Speaker 1: from our bad podcast but completely you know, flooding everything.
Speaker 2: There will be like five different podcasts.
Speaker 1: The good news is like, this is not how people
Speaker 1: like people don't find podcasts by being like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to uh ai and search for
Speaker 1: a topic that I think I want to know about,
Speaker 1: and then you know, people find out about podcasts and
Speaker 1: then become followers.
Speaker 2: Some do, apparent according to them, apparently because their whole
Speaker 2: thing set up is cool. Podcast topics are selected with
Speaker 2: the help of a based on Google and social media trends,
Speaker 2: and then the team may launch five different versions of
Speaker 2: the show with different titles to see what performs the best.
Speaker 2: The podcasts are often titled after simple seos search terms,
Speaker 2: such as Wales, Wales, Yeah, it's I was. I went
Speaker 2: to One of our most popular episode is Whales is Whales?
Speaker 4: They got whales?
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I went to there. I went to their
Speaker 2: website to just look at what their shows are called,
Speaker 2: and it's shipped like this diddy verdict the British monarchy,
Speaker 2: Like this one's crazy AI and the climate crisis. Are
Speaker 2: you fucking serious You're.
Speaker 1: Doing it with AI and thus contributing to the climate crisis?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like what is that one talking about the assassins?
Speaker 2: Bourbon Betty Betty, Benny Boop, Chaos, Chuck MANGIONI Forever China,
Speaker 2: Communism creating, there's Creatine. Are these all podcasts? Are these
Speaker 2: episodes of the podcast? These are series? Tell me a one,
Speaker 2: I'll click on it and we can here, we can
Speaker 2: listen to one.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to hear socialism.
Speaker 2: Oh this socialism where they take it down. Okay, let's see.
Speaker 2: This is uh, this is this is here what they got. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not signing up you fucking oh yeah, you need
Speaker 2: to pay for it.
Speaker 10: Let's see, which simply means I never forget a vote,
Speaker 10: a quote, or a constitutional clause. This is no ego,
Speaker 10: no pack money, just pure relentless recall. Tonight, we're tackling
Speaker 10: one of the most misunderstood, maligned, and frankly butchered concepts
Speaker 10: in American political discourse, socialism.
Speaker 4: But you here's my question. Though you can like and
Speaker 4: maybe it will get better to where you really can't,
Speaker 4: but you can tell that that is AI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well they're also they're trying to they're
Speaker 2: sort of like trying to be quote unquote ethical where
Speaker 2: they have the hosts up top say their AI yeah,
Speaker 2: and one of the founders is like, look, dude, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to have like create like these models that
Speaker 2: people are gonna have like deep relationships with because like
Speaker 2: this they see it as a completely different lane than
Speaker 2: human hosted podcast. But like when you look at it,
Speaker 2: you're like, you're doing you're you're talking about subjects that
Speaker 2: humans currently make podcasts about. I don't know how you
Speaker 2: You're like, well, no, it's not meant to replace that
Speaker 2: at all. Like it's just we're just doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: They are out of insane scale and maybe people will
Speaker 2: listen to it, like you know, they're they have the hosts.
Speaker 2: The names are really fucking dumb, Like for the food podcast,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. I think these
Speaker 2: names are totally normal. Okay, what name the host of
Speaker 2: the food podcast Jack? All right?
Speaker 1: The food podcast is named uh oh. I actually love her.
Speaker 1: I actually follow her on lots of different Claire Delish
Speaker 1: and then of course my favorite source for gardening info.
Speaker 2: My health mm hmm, Nigel this, yes, and the fucking
Speaker 2: like the AI models are like it sounds like the
Speaker 2: same ones you hear on TikTok basically when people use
Speaker 2: AI to caption shit. But again, I believe it's the
Speaker 2: nominative determinism Noma. Yeah, oh yeah, like one of the
Speaker 2: finance one was like penny power or something like that,
Speaker 2: quite dumb, goofy shit. But again, I mean I don't know,
Speaker 2: like they will it replace it. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I think like to your point, Alan, like it's bad
Speaker 2: when you have someone putting out three thousand episodes a
Speaker 2: week of indistinguishable bullshit, because that just makes it harder
Speaker 2: for anyone who actually wants to podcast to be to
Speaker 2: have to like there's now it's just all noise and now, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's finally good ones.
Speaker 4: That's like a big part of the Amazon's thing. It's
Speaker 4: like it's not that they just are undercutting and they
Speaker 4: sell the product cheaper, it's that they've also like they've
Speaker 4: taken away a viable way for people to make money,
Speaker 4: Like opening a small business to like sell goods is
Speaker 4: a bad business idea now because of Amazon. And so
Speaker 4: that yeah, that definitely And I mean I will say this,
Speaker 4: podcasters are truly some of the sickest people, and they
Speaker 4: in the sphere of the Internet or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like it would be better if they went away.
Speaker 1: What I So, they're still.
Speaker 4: Going They're still gonna like go after it. But I
Speaker 4: and it is the type of thing where you do
Speaker 4: just think like, well, wait, but what if there are
Speaker 4: people that aren't just that discerning and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm listening to this, you know, AI podcast and they
Speaker 4: don't really they don't care one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Right, they were about to on the socialism one. I
Speaker 1: could hear the hosts leading into so pour yourself a
Speaker 1: glass of your favorite bourbon or something like that, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, that is like that. There's
Speaker 1: a certain type of like medium tier podcast that like
Speaker 1: I've accidentally listened to where that's like the human element
Speaker 1: is like, so, pour yourself a favorite glass of bourbon.
Speaker 1: I've got mine right here, right and we're gonna dig in,
Speaker 1: you know. So maybe, yeah, maybe this is gonna hit
Speaker 1: hit with.
Speaker 2: The people who like listen to whatever those shows are.
Speaker 2: We gotta hit, we gotta hit. I mean, it's fun.
Speaker 2: The co founder of it, who I imagine is the
Speaker 2: actual founder of it or the person who started, he
Speaker 2: got into this because during the pandemic, he just started
Speaker 2: like reading like weather reports and shit or no, he
Speaker 2: was reading daily CDC reports and then and then a
Speaker 2: bunch of people started reloading it yeah, just because he
Speaker 2: was just just reading off a cdcreport and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: okay now, and then he did like weather robots did this, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's like, whoa weather report? And then he was like,
Speaker 2: there's a quote from me. He's like, you know, talking
Speaker 2: about how people who are really like if you have
Speaker 2: crazy allergies, you look at like the Pollen Report and stuff.
Speaker 2: He said, quote, we might make a pollen podcast and
Speaker 2: maybe only fifty people listen to, but I'm already at
Speaker 2: unit profitability on that, so then maybe I can make
Speaker 2: five hundred pollen Report podcasts like these people don't. This
Speaker 2: is what happens when people had never made a fucking
Speaker 2: thing in their life.
Speaker 1: Why have we never once on this on the many
Speaker 1: many hours of the show used the phrase unit profit about.
Speaker 2: The cool and soulful term.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that founder and you know he is the
Speaker 1: actual founder because his name is Pod Founderman.
Speaker 4: So yeah, oh the Cincinnati Founderman's Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Cincinnati founder formerly formerly of Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh so that sucks, but we there is
Speaker 1: some light at the end of the tunnel because Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris has announced her.
Speaker 2: Memoir.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's coming it's uh, I guess she hasn't announced it.
Speaker 1: She announced it a long time ago. It's coming. It's
Speaker 1: called one hundred and seven days. So it's like about
Speaker 1: the one hundred and seven days that she ran for president.
Speaker 2: Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: We all realized like Biden was bad and then he
Speaker 1: we finally like everybody just pressured him enough into leaving
Speaker 1: the race. And then she had one hundred and seven
Speaker 1: days run for president and like started with a spark
Speaker 1: and had like a couple of good ideas and then
Speaker 1: those were immediately like like replaced by terrible shit by
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party and had a chance their advisors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she like had ideas about like greed flation and calling
Speaker 1: the Democratic or the Republican Party weird, and they're like no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: shut the why don't you shut the fuck up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder here, kiss uh kiss Dick Cheney's daughter
Speaker 2: right now, kiss her on stage. That's gonna work.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she's she's doing some book tours, not at bookstores,
Speaker 1: but on a live speaking to our major venues. Some
Speaker 1: tickets going for more than four hundred dollars, not from
Speaker 1: like a reseller. That's the official price for a platinum
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: What a fucking cariff. Man, that's amazing, Just like man,
Speaker 2: that was a that was a shitty presidential campaign.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: You want to hear me talk about it for four
Speaker 2: hundred bucks? Yeah? Yeah, I do, I do, I do,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: The excerpts are pretty telling, I'd say, presumably like people
Speaker 1: are looking for some t spillage and like she did,
Speaker 1: she just really published an excerpt in the Atlantic that
Speaker 1: defends Biden to some extent, claiming that there was no
Speaker 1: cover up concerning his mental decline.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's where you lost me comin, come on now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you saw some ship also would kind
Speaker 1: of implicate her or something, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: In a way, there wasn't really a cover up because
Speaker 4: literally the entire country was like, oh, that's all sides
Speaker 4: of every like. There were like a few people that
Speaker 4: tried to deny it, but like, yeah.
Speaker 1: We just chose answer your question. She also said, and
Speaker 1: this is the refrain from the Biden side his debate,
Speaker 1: clusterfuck wasn't incapacity. It was just tiredness owing to recent trips.
Speaker 1: And I think and then add in from Hunter Biden
Speaker 1: a little bit of ambient sprinkled in, so he was
Speaker 1: it wasn't incapacity. He's just at an age where he
Speaker 1: was incapacitated by being a little bit tired.
Speaker 4: He was taking a trip down memory Lane's.
Speaker 2: Trips to take that that thing from Hunter Biden, He's like,
Speaker 2: I was on ambient and then like they looked at
Speaker 2: the schedules, like bro he was he was traveled like
Speaker 2: like a week solidly before that. But again, like you're saying,
Speaker 2: like that's not good if just if traveling makes you
Speaker 2: all tired like that and you want to be talked
Speaker 2: out from a trip like a week later, like that's
Speaker 2: that's not a good sign that It's like me, I'm
Speaker 2: tuckered out from a trip a week later, But like you,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be present.
Speaker 1: I would be so bad at being present. I'd be
Speaker 1: so fucking sleepy. What would you do if my comes
Speaker 1: up to you and says head er gut jack, and
Speaker 1: I cry my superpower crying the way out of things,
Speaker 1: Well into.
Speaker 2: My f would be interesting that like the American president,
Speaker 2: with a completely different strategy from past American leaders, openly
Speaker 2: sobbing pathetically as a way to get just like stop,
Speaker 2: like just stop like invading them, Like, what the hell?
Speaker 2: All right, Jesus stopped fucking crying.
Speaker 1: Man, my god, you're gonna get snot on my suit
Speaker 1: promise taft present, taft big crier.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, there are other things too where
Speaker 2: she was like where she is sort of like, look,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of times the right wing media
Speaker 2: was attacked me and they just didn't say shit, the
Speaker 2: White House didn't have my back at fucking all, and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, absolutely accurate.
Speaker 1: Like the the energy coming out of the Biden camp
Speaker 1: during her run for president was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: ha haha. Not so easy to have a candidate who
Speaker 1: doesn't suck shit, huh, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like they were just like praying she would. You got
Speaker 1: a sense that at least a large part of them
Speaker 1: maybe there were two wolves inside of them, and one
Speaker 1: was rooting for her, but another was definitely hoping to
Speaker 1: see her fail and be vindicated for thinking that they
Speaker 1: had a better shot than her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there was another thing that she said to quote,
Speaker 2: it's Joe and Jill's decision. We all said that like
Speaker 2: a mantra, as if we'd all been hypnotized. The stakes
Speaker 2: were simply too high. This wasn't a choice that should
Speaker 2: have should have been left to an individual's ego and
Speaker 2: individual's ambition. It should have been more than a personal decision. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess like there's really nothing in
Speaker 2: here that isn't that's like shocking to me. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course they hung you out to dry like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, we saw that this part, which I think
Speaker 2: we knew already worse. I often learned that the president's
Speaker 2: staff was adding fuel to negative narratives that sprang up
Speaker 2: around me. One narrative that took a stubborn hold was
Speaker 2: that I had a chaotic office an unusually high staff
Speaker 2: turnover during my first year as vice president. I do
Speaker 2: remember that coming at a pretty critical point in the
Speaker 2: and like that wasn't coming Like they wouldn't have posted
Speaker 2: that if that was coming from like JD Vance, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like that was coming from someone
Speaker 2: in Biden administration. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fucked up a.
Speaker 4: Lot of the two. It's like the Biden cognitive whatever
Speaker 4: cover up this about how his team was mean to her.
Speaker 4: All of it just reads is like the Democratic Party
Speaker 4: has no idea what the fuck it's doing, And like
Speaker 4: if if this is what like and I don't know,
Speaker 4: I I to me, she feels done, Like I feel
Speaker 4: like I feel like guys, like a populace, we're done
Speaker 4: with her. She also, I think, feels done, like I
Speaker 4: don't know if she would run again, but if she,
Speaker 4: if she does, you know maybe, But like I'm just like,
Speaker 4: if this is what we're still talking about, it's like
Speaker 4: we're fucked ligating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the obvious, Like why did we lose? Like, guys,
Speaker 2: is it really that much of a mystery to you? Right?
Speaker 1: I think that's the only reason this story is of value,
Speaker 1: is just to further drive nails into the coffin of
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Just like, guys, look how bad it
Speaker 1: was behind the scenes, Like we all thought that they
Speaker 1: had a chance, because we were hoping they had a chance.
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, they were blowing it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a capitalist clown show and they don't know,
Speaker 2: they don't realize how their devotion to capitalism and the
Speaker 2: status quo was really its whole undoing. And now it's
Speaker 2: now that I now seeing the quotes from the Biden administration,
Speaker 2: people that are like giving quotes after In the aftermath
Speaker 2: of this excerpt, I'm like, now I believe everything she says.
Speaker 2: Like one person said, quote, Vice President Harris was simply
Speaker 2: not good at the job. She had basically zero substantive
Speaker 2: role in any of the administration's key work streams, and
Speaker 2: instead would just dive bomb in for stilted photo ops
Speaker 2: that expressed how out of depth she. Wow, holy shit, dude,
Speaker 2: that's what they're saying now. The day after this yeah
Speaker 2: came out, President Biden.
Speaker 1: Was not there were mean, Actually you're fucking stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're actually fucking dumb what we're saying at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's mean. Nobody likes you. But no one's going
Speaker 1: to tell you that to your face. But nobody actually
Speaker 1: likes you.
Speaker 2: They going to say, quote, President Biden was not the
Speaker 2: reason she struggled in officer tanked her twenty nineteen presidential
Speaker 2: campaign or lost the twenty twenty four campaign for that matter.
Speaker 2: The independent variable there is the Vice president, not Biden
Speaker 2: or his aides. Damn.
Speaker 1: So you're like, that's like the best I've seen them
Speaker 1: at being like critical and clapping the backbone.
Speaker 2: They can't they couldn't do that against Trump they couldn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just but there's other quotes too that back what
Speaker 2: she says. Another aide or staffer who spoke in this
Speaker 2: one article I think, let me just make before it
Speaker 2: was it in the New Republic said that quote. We
Speaker 2: all know that the Biden folks treated her and her
Speaker 2: team like shit. We never thought she would actually say anything.
Speaker 2: Staffers across a range of ages and positions that I'm
Speaker 2: talking to are proud of her. Yeah, so there's clearly,
Speaker 2: like I mean again, it just shows a very divided administration.
Speaker 2: And I think that was really probably became clear as
Speaker 2: Biden just sat on his hands after October seventh, too, right,
Speaker 2: So yeah, we will see where if this, if this
Speaker 2: harms her career because you have other people being like, well,
Speaker 2: she just nuked her career.
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I feel like the type of people
Speaker 2: who say that, who are like play it safe politically
Speaker 2: always have have proven that they have some of the
Speaker 2: worst instincts in modern politics. I mean, like think about
Speaker 2: like Anthony Wiener, you know what I mean, who went
Speaker 2: to prison like he's even trying to get back in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it takes a lot to get it through
Speaker 2: to these people that it's like, hey, maybe you cooked. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If only they had like some blueprint of a path
Speaker 2: forward that had a lot of public support, like just
Speaker 2: like York mayoral candidate who was dominant and extremely popular
Speaker 2: that they've chosen to completely ignore and try and fuck over. Well,
Speaker 2: it's like the thing where it's like it's like you say,
Speaker 2: like the like the Democrats are like like big pepsi people,
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, it's pepsi for everyone, like everyone
Speaker 2: likes coked. No, no, it's pepsi. It's like I look
Speaker 2: at the fucking numbers, man, everyone nobody's drinking pep numbers.
Speaker 2: It tainted and like they can't even fucking admit it.
Speaker 2: They're just like like no, none of them are backing
Speaker 2: zor like like what the fuck is going on that?
Speaker 4: I mean again, it's just like I've just never felt
Speaker 4: more done with the Democratic Party as a whole. I'm
Speaker 4: just like I don't know what you want from me.
Speaker 4: I want nothing from you, guys. I guess like this
Speaker 4: is just crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems bad.
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