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Speaker 2: Katie, I am so full and I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I love it.
Speaker 2: My son's school this morning has something called the Feast,
Speaker 2: where every single parent brings in a dish, right, and
Speaker 2: then the kids all sit at long tables. I'm basically
Speaker 2: we go around and serve the children and they practice
Speaker 2: saying like yes please or no thank you?
Speaker 1: Oh nice?
Speaker 2: Okay, So the food is like all for the kids,
Speaker 2: and I was like, whatever, it's like eleven, am I
Speaker 2: fucking made a plate? You stuffing sweet potato pie, whipped cream,
Speaker 2: corn soufle a, green bean soufle a? Is it a
Speaker 2: sou fle corn? No?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: And one of the kids thought it would be delicious
Speaker 2: if the corn bread soufle thing had colored sprinkles. All yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll eat that too. I mean, what am I thinking?
Speaker 2: It is a Friday, We've got work to do, We've
Speaker 2: got a podcast to record. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I got that on lock. It was not bad, but
Speaker 2: I definitely feel very tight in my pants.
Speaker 1: What did you make?
Speaker 2: What did I lie to everybody?
Speaker 1: You picked that ship up at Bristol Farms.
Speaker 2: It is way too expensive. I ordered. I signed up
Speaker 2: well Fristle. Everyone just thinks we're gonna bring shabby pretzel Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we did that last year and Adam was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not bringing shabby pretzels. That's like hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 2: of dollars. Like, we're not doing that. And so I
Speaker 2: ordered all those caesar salad. My son loves caesar salads,
Speaker 2: and no one had signed her salads because salad's so dumb.
Speaker 2: But I picked up. I just literally got caesar salad
Speaker 2: mixing bags, dumped it into bullet.
Speaker 1: But then I like.
Speaker 2: What did you make? And I was like, well, I
Speaker 2: made the caesar salad, but I made the dressing from scratch,
Speaker 2: and I grew the lettuce in my yard. You're such
Speaker 2: a liar.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You know there are a bunch of
Speaker 1: Scandal fans and they're gonna be like that bitch live.
Speaker 2: She'd be like, oh my god, that's the mom who
Speaker 2: has it all. She's got the Scandal rewatch podcast, she's
Speaker 2: got Katie's crib, she's an acting career, and she fucking
Speaker 2: grows lettuce and looks amazing. And I was like, and
Speaker 2: don't you fucking forget it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. But when they hear this podcast again.
Speaker 2: Then I will I'm gonna come over my house for
Speaker 2: replate it, and they're gonna be like, where are your
Speaker 2: raised farmer's boxes in your yard when you cultivate a
Speaker 2: full garden? And I'm like, I don't. I don't know
Speaker 2: how to make a goddamn thing. Speaking of which, can
Speaker 2: we just talk about and then we should we'll do
Speaker 2: an intro, But can you tell all of our listeners
Speaker 2: what lunch you packed every day at Scandal for like
Speaker 2: a lot of time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we We mentioned it a
Speaker 1: little bit in one of the one of the episodes.
Speaker 1: It was I'm obsessed with canned beats, canned beats and
Speaker 1: green beans and I put I mean, I put like
Speaker 1: a can of each in you know, a tupperware thing,
Speaker 1: and then put oil and vinegar. And that's like I
Speaker 1: was having beats earlier today, Like this morning, I had
Speaker 1: breakfast and I had it.
Speaker 2: Is your poop just like red?
Speaker 1: No, because our toilets are black, you know what.
Speaker 2: Toilet? What's going on?
Speaker 1: I can so part of me is like am I dye? Like?
Speaker 1: Is there blood in the blood? I know I can.
Speaker 1: We got black toilets.
Speaker 2: I mean see, like a black toilet is fucking like,
Speaker 2: I get it. A black toilet is there's something that
Speaker 2: feels naughty and sexy about it. I like it. But
Speaker 2: I also take I take a big responsibility in like
Speaker 2: taking a poop and then looking at it to see
Speaker 2: how I'm doing, Like have I had enough greens like.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to? Yes to be.
Speaker 2: In the olden days, there was like.
Speaker 1: Poop the mater poop meter no yes.
Speaker 2: Kings and ship In England, there was someone's job who
Speaker 2: the king would take a dumpch in the bidet next
Speaker 2: in their royal apartment or whatever, and then someone a
Speaker 2: doctor would check the duty and make sure that their
Speaker 2: digestion was Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah as well, I bet they didn't have black toilets
Speaker 1: back then. They didn't have well, they didn't have anything
Speaker 1: that holes in the ground. Uns.
Speaker 2: You were the king, I think you were pooping in
Speaker 2: like a like a like a rolling throne. So weird,
Speaker 2: I really think so a throne thing like a wooden throw.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you've never eating beets and pooped in
Speaker 2: a toilet to sea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my toilet paper isn't black. So that's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm stucking guys.
Speaker 2: This is the greatest podcast episode anyone has ever been
Speaker 2: interested in. And it all started with beets. Giermo used
Speaker 2: to bring his salads and also talking about me not
Speaker 2: growing shit and not being great in the kitchen. Darby
Speaker 2: would make the most incredible salads. Yes, at Scandal with shit.
Speaker 2: She actually grew.
Speaker 1: With cump quats. Was the first time that I was like,
Speaker 1: you could put cump quats in salad, and now I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with cumpquats. But she grew all that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she grew kump quats.
Speaker 2: She was unbelievable. And she would have like half a
Speaker 2: lemon in one of those lemon baggies that would you
Speaker 2: squeeze it it catches the seeds, yeah yeah. And then
Speaker 2: she would have like some cut up tofu and just
Speaker 2: like deliciousness. And I'm like, if I had Darby like
Speaker 2: cooking for me, I would eat like that all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah. And she loves it too. She's so
Speaker 1: good at it.
Speaker 2: She's good at it, which is funny because I think
Speaker 2: we haven't gotten there yet. But when we get into
Speaker 2: the flashback episodes, when Abby you see her in the
Speaker 2: past when she was sort of like a Susie homemaker,
Speaker 2: like baking and stuff like that. Darby actually has a
Speaker 2: quality of that.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, she's a very good cook. She's a very good baker.
Speaker 2: She's very comfortable in a kitchen like I would be.
Speaker 2: That is not my thing.
Speaker 1: During the pandemic, she did a bunch of videos of
Speaker 1: her teaching how to cut grapefruits up, like in different
Speaker 1: different ways, different creative ways to cut grapefruit. And it
Speaker 1: was the most mesmerizing thing I'd ever seen.
Speaker 2: I was like mesmerizing. And her laugh breakdown videos, she's
Speaker 2: the most infectious.
Speaker 1: I love her, Like when.
Speaker 2: She's laughing and having like a mental breakdown thinking something
Speaker 2: so funny, I'm I.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's the best.
Speaker 2: You think it's because she's just so pretty. She's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's that's part of it. But yeah, she's it's just
Speaker 1: so fun to watch her.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's so magical. She's also red that has the
Speaker 2: most like she just looks like a unicorn talking about
Speaker 2: like people who we g and I have talked about
Speaker 2: on the podcast, like you can't hide from anywhere. I'm fine.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine walking through life as Darby with that
Speaker 2: fire engine. Yeah, she read.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so good about going incognito though, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean because on a hat like as Yeah,
Speaker 1: like she's so good about it. She's so good.
Speaker 2: About some very cool trench coat.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Today's episode of the Scandal Rewatch podcast we're talking about
Speaker 2: episode one oh five called Crash and Burn, which aired
Speaker 2: on April twenty six in twenty twelve. It was written
Speaker 2: by Mark Wilding and directed by Steve Robin Steve Robin.
Speaker 2: It was guest starring Brendon Hines as Gideon Wallace Bellamy
Speaker 2: Young his first lady, Melly Grant, Joshua Molina as David Rosen,
Speaker 2: Ram Beckel as Hank Tanner, and Darren Petty as Andrew Mackelson. Yes, up,
Speaker 2: we got to this place again. Are you going to
Speaker 2: do the synopsis or shamiji, let's.
Speaker 1: See, let's see what goes down.
Speaker 2: Let me hear you do this, Okay, let's say synopsis.
Speaker 2: Olivia and her team helped defend the pilot of a
Speaker 2: commercial plane that crashed, killing all on board. When a
Speaker 2: Manda Tanner goes missing, Hawk must call upon his past
Speaker 2: to help find her fits ask the Vice president for help.
Speaker 1: Very nice Yo, can I just say how special this
Speaker 1: episode is. I mean, there were so many emotions. I
Speaker 1: cried like a bunch of times watching this episode. And
Speaker 1: not only you know, because of the tragic stuff that
Speaker 1: happens in the episode and the things that the characters
Speaker 1: are going through and there's you know, the plane crash,
Speaker 1: and yes, but it was I was super emotional about
Speaker 1: it because it made me. It made me miss doing
Speaker 1: the show. It made me miss the cast, it made
Speaker 1: me miss Huck really like, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this was such a special time, especially that opening scene
Speaker 1: when we're all in in Olivia's apartment trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what happened to Amanda Tanner. Yeah, we were all
Speaker 1: just like on point and just going back and forth,
Speaker 1: and he just brought me back to those days where
Speaker 1: we'd all be shooting together, right and we would have My.
Speaker 2: God, what's such an ensemble? It almost play those that
Speaker 2: scene that opens this episode where we're all in Olivia's
Speaker 2: apartment and Amanda Tanner has been taken and every single
Speaker 2: one of us it's like music, Like you had said
Speaker 2: before on this podcast, like everyone's interjecting lines and we're
Speaker 2: all holding this ball up and keeping the scene going
Speaker 2: and like working together as a team, and you say,
Speaker 2: there's a guy watching you. Her trash was taken out,
Speaker 2: and then Olivia says, how do you know? And you say,
Speaker 2: because that's how I do.
Speaker 1: It, That's how I would do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love hearing that. Gea, Like you watch these
Speaker 2: episodes and you're like, I mean, Huck has so much
Speaker 2: in this episode and we'll we'll get into that, but
Speaker 2: like I could see why you miss playing him, like
Speaker 2: he was so special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, oftentimes, like you work on a
Speaker 1: project and you're like, fuck, I wish in the moment.
Speaker 1: I wish I was more in the moment and really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it we were doing because it was such a
Speaker 1: special like what do they say, lightning in a bottle?
Speaker 1: Like it so rare to have this experience. But for Scandal,
Speaker 1: I miss it, and I missed the people, and I
Speaker 1: missed the show. But I don't feel that because I
Speaker 1: feel like we really really enjoyed the experience and being
Speaker 1: around each other and knowing how special it was and
Speaker 1: and not taking it for granted and just relishing in it,
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like we had such a gift like
Speaker 2: also knowing when it was the you know, Shonda let
Speaker 2: us know play in advance that it was ending, and
Speaker 2: I just feel like we all really got to like
Speaker 2: therapeutically like process. I felt like when it was over,
Speaker 2: we like, like you said, we just laid our head
Speaker 2: in the pillow and know that we all made the
Speaker 2: most and of this experience and didn't take it for granted.
Speaker 1: And I didn't regret anything. I didn't regret not you know,
Speaker 1: not enjoying it or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my god, me either. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was the fucking best.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you know that she's gone missing. You know what's funny? Wow,
Speaker 2: I have a I feel like Roxanne Dawson was around
Speaker 2: in this episode.
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember her. I feel like, well, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about it. But in the diner scene with Houck
Speaker 1: and Charlie, I remember Rocks and directing us in that scene.
Speaker 1: I don't remember Steve Robin. But then I remember Steve
Speaker 1: Robin directing me when I'm torturing Charlie weird, which is weird.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he wasn't a that which would happen sometimes.
Speaker 2: Well, she was our producing director this season, so I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I remember coming on the plane crash.
Speaker 2: Harrison and Quinn are like walking down this like hill.
Speaker 2: We were at the Disney Ranch that day, like in
Speaker 2: Santa Clarita again, wearing fucking fall clothes, sweating ball sacks. Yes,
Speaker 2: and we come upon the set, which is so impressive.
Speaker 2: Like that's when I remember being like, my god, like
Speaker 2: this show has like a budget. Like I came upon
Speaker 2: this field where there's like a blown up plane and
Speaker 2: there's like fake body parts everywhere and all of these flags,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't I could.
Speaker 1: I don't remember, Katie, was that plane actually there was
Speaker 1: scgi'ed in? I couldn't remember, was there actually there? Wow? Yes, wow?
Speaker 2: I think in my memory it.
Speaker 1: Is right right right.
Speaker 2: I think correct. I could be wrong, but like maybe
Speaker 2: at the Disney Ranch that's like in stock there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, kind of like at Universal Studios.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I think that might be like sets that
Speaker 2: are there. I have no idea. I have a memory
Speaker 2: of Roxanne saying to me and me being so upset,
Speaker 2: don't have your mouth a gape like that again when
Speaker 2: you come when you come upon the plane crash, because
Speaker 2: Quinn just does that all the time.
Speaker 1: I love you when you had your mouth agape.
Speaker 2: Thanks g Now I look back and I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 2: she was right. I should have taken that note. Quinn
Speaker 2: does that way too much and I need to grow up,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but that's.
Speaker 1: Her too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I shouldn't have been doing it. I should have
Speaker 2: taken the note and I didn't, And I remember her
Speaker 2: giving me the note and me being like kind of
Speaker 2: upset and for once thinking like, first of all, I'd
Speaker 2: never been a series regular on the show before, so
Speaker 2: it had never occurred to me like, oh, like you
Speaker 2: should think about your character in relation to like all
Speaker 2: the other episodes and like the character you're building. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I was like from the Guest.
Speaker 1: Star World like same.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I just was treating each story
Speaker 2: like in it of itself, like I wasn't. Really I
Speaker 2: would never be like, oh, well, in the last episode,
Speaker 2: I had my mouth agate at Amanda Tanner's door, and
Speaker 2: then the first episode I had my mouth agate when
Speaker 2: I when Quinn was when Olivia was berating her on.
Speaker 1: The prip her.
Speaker 2: Now I'm like, shit, I had my mouth I Gabe
Speaker 2: way too much.
Speaker 1: But also like, as an actor, you don't want to
Speaker 1: think about. You know what I mean. You're in the
Speaker 1: in the moment of the scene, so you're not you
Speaker 1: can't remember, you're not. I'm not thinking like, oh, I
Speaker 1: did this with my eyes in this scene, so I
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it in this one. And you know you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be thinking about that too much. But right, listen,
Speaker 1: you you felt like it was a thing. But watching
Speaker 1: the episode your mouth, you were like.
Speaker 2: That's the full time Quinn has had a mouth.
Speaker 1: The gate was very appropriate for me.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, since you are the best acting ever,
Speaker 2: I'll take that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then I wrote in my notes, we fucking meet Charlie.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, this is the introduction to Charlie. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: you see him.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're eating the sandwich, which, by the way, do
Speaker 2: you remember that?
Speaker 1: Listen, bitch, let me tell you something. I wrote a
Speaker 1: whole page on eating moments. It literally says eating moments, Katie.
Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 2: I wrote my first question, My first question is why
Speaker 2: huck Finn? Second question, what sandwich were you eating when
Speaker 2: you saw Charlie?
Speaker 1: Don't get me started.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what it was? I?
Speaker 1: Yes, of course I do.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me about eating moments.
Speaker 1: It was on Holy Toast and it was lettuce, tomato,
Speaker 1: and mustard, and it was a turkey sandwich. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure there was Swiss cheese on it as well. But
Speaker 1: the great thing about our props team was Jeff Props
Speaker 1: and George. I mean, we love them so much the best,
Speaker 1: but they when you would have an eating scene, they
Speaker 1: would go up to you the day before, or usually
Speaker 1: the day before a couple of days before that. They
Speaker 1: knew that scene was coming up, and they'd be like,
Speaker 1: what do you want to eat? If it was in
Speaker 1: the script that it was a sandwich, they'd be like,
Speaker 1: what kind of sandwich do you want? Once I had
Speaker 1: to eat a fucking cheeseburger when I had a scene
Speaker 1: with Joe Morton, and all I could think about was
Speaker 1: shooting that scene and getting to eat that cheeseburger. And
Speaker 1: then I'm not even look how excited I am. This
Speaker 1: is crazy. But the thing about shooting a show like
Speaker 1: this is they make several several of the sandwiches or
Speaker 1: the burgers, or they buy them because you know you
Speaker 1: have to do several takes. So all I would think
Speaker 1: in my head was I'm going to get to take
Speaker 1: the rest of them home, or I would get pissed
Speaker 1: if somebody else was like can I get that?
Speaker 3: I was like, excuse me, dearmo you are it looked delicious.
Speaker 1: And then for the Half Baked fans, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can tell a little salute to Half Baked.
Speaker 1: They put Funnians on my plate, and Funnians is a
Speaker 1: big thing on Half Baked. When Kenny is going through
Speaker 1: the list of things and at the end someone says Funnians,
Speaker 1: don't forget the Funnians or some shit like that.
Speaker 2: Did you on purpose pick Funians or did they just
Speaker 2: happen to put the Funians on there.
Speaker 1: I remember us talking about it and saying how funny
Speaker 1: it would be if we put Funnians on the plate,
Speaker 1: because it was a little sort of wink to Half Baked.
Speaker 2: Was George props or Jeff Props? Did they were? They
Speaker 2: like half Baked fans to know that.
Speaker 1: Jeff was Yeah, but Jeff for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the best. But yes, And so eating is always
Speaker 1: you know, I think that certain actors are super scared
Speaker 1: or they're nervous when they have to eat in a scene,
Speaker 1: because you know, people don't want to eat and getting
Speaker 1: fat but well or Tony and Scott, I'm sure, but
Speaker 1: they never eat on the show. The only thing they
Speaker 1: ate was a Livia sorry, take that out.
Speaker 2: No, keep it in, honey, keep it in.
Speaker 1: But anyway, eating.
Speaker 2: But then there are some actors who swear by it
Speaker 2: and think that it makes you the best actor ever.
Speaker 2: Like I think that I've heard for years that, like,
Speaker 2: if you go back into like all of Brad Pitt's performances,
Speaker 2: he's almost never doing an entrance without eating something. Really,
Speaker 2: he eats in most of the scenes. Yeah, because there
Speaker 2: are very few things that you can do as an
Speaker 2: actor where you can't fake it. You cannot fake eating
Speaker 2: eat you have to act.
Speaker 1: People do it, but actors do it, and bad eating
Speaker 1: in a film or on a TV show is the worst.
Speaker 1: Fillmore girls, I love the show. The worst fucking eaters
Speaker 1: in the world. To go back and let's and Lauren Grandma,
Speaker 1: I love around And their coffee cups are like, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's nothing in them, Like it's the worst. They
Speaker 1: never take a bite. If they do. Oh, it's so any.
Speaker 2: Actor is listening to this podcast. If you want to
Speaker 2: consider yourself legit, you gotta eat in the city because
Speaker 2: it also does make you a better actor. You can't
Speaker 2: fake well, you can fake eating, but you shouldn't smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can't fait, you can't face.
Speaker 2: So like those are the moments where they're kind of
Speaker 2: like actor gifts. Also like acting with a baby, like
Speaker 2: you can't really really like you have to actually like
Speaker 2: be there because it truly is like you don't know
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. I remember my first like major
Speaker 2: family eating scene on this other show I was on
Speaker 2: my first series regular when I was twenty five. Laurie Metcalf,
Speaker 2: who's like everyone thinks she's an incredible actress, myself included.
Speaker 2: We had these family like Sunday night dinner scenes that
Speaker 2: would take forever, and they would go around and around
Speaker 2: and around and shoot everybody's point of view and everyone
Speaker 2: was eating, and Laurie Metcalf would eat the shit out
Speaker 2: of her food really and I would be like, this woman,
Speaker 2: she's a good eater. Oh she's a great actions.
Speaker 1: Big bank where she's a great eater. They're always eating
Speaker 1: on that show, and she's.
Speaker 2: An eater, and she's talking while she's eating, which is
Speaker 2: what Brad Pitt does too. He's talking with the full
Speaker 2: mouth he's talking with like wiping his mouth with the napkin.
Speaker 2: He's talking while he's taking SIPs of whatever drink is
Speaker 2: being served, and like that makes you good, I.
Speaker 1: Think, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Okay, So then you see Charlie, who was cast crazily
Speaker 2: when we see him for a blip while you're hacking
Speaker 2: to see that he was caught on a traffic cam. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the first time we're seeing this character, Charlie, who's
Speaker 2: played by fucking George Newborn, who's the dad from Father
Speaker 2: of the Bride.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, he's the dad. He's the dad, or he's
Speaker 1: the groom. He's the groom, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Now
Speaker 1: he's a dad. Now, he's a daddy.
Speaker 2: Now he would get cast as the dad now, but
Speaker 2: at the time he was the groom.
Speaker 1: Oh, George.
Speaker 2: And he was also the boyfriend in Adventures and Babysiting.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And George told me a story once I
Speaker 1: bet you were there that he was super close to
Speaker 1: getting the role of Marty McFly in Back to the Future.
Speaker 2: Screen tested against Michael fucking Jazz, they flew him out.
Speaker 2: He was going to Northwestern at the time. He was
Speaker 2: a drama major. He was auditioning and the he flew
Speaker 2: him in and he screen tested against Michael J.
Speaker 1: Fox. How amazing is that?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean anyway, I just think the casting choice on.
Speaker 1: That oh so good.
Speaker 2: And he did not know, none of us knew. The
Speaker 2: writers are that that Charlie would be what Charlie became.
Speaker 1: But I love that they cast against type, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They didn't cast like some sort of
Speaker 1: goon looking guy that you're like, oh, he's a bad guy,
Speaker 1: bad guy. It looks like the loveliest, like kindest, just
Speaker 1: a da next door. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Eighty sitcom dad you've ever seen in your light nineties
Speaker 2: Like he's just so like, I mean, he's from Arkansas?
Speaker 2: Is he go get a snack and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Can I just say really quickly? I love in this
Speaker 1: scene is one of the first times, maybe it's this
Speaker 1: second or third time that we've seen it on in
Speaker 1: the first season, but that that Mike Huck's computer becomes
Speaker 1: the camera. So they would take away my computer, like
Speaker 1: this is us on set getting ready to shoot the scene,
Speaker 1: and they would put a camera right in dead in
Speaker 1: my face and I would have to look into the
Speaker 1: camera and pretend and that was so much fun. I
Speaker 1: love doing that.
Speaker 2: They would call it Huck Cam.
Speaker 1: It was called cam yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So then later on in post they would superimpose like
Speaker 2: the green like numbers and like computer typing letters going
Speaker 2: over Giirmo's face. But I had to be in Huck
Speaker 2: camp all the time too, like just kind of crouched
Speaker 2: down next to you, and we're both looking like dead
Speaker 2: into the camera as you're like fakely pretending to hit
Speaker 2: keys and Hucks.
Speaker 1: I feel like we all loved being in Huck's office.
Speaker 1: It was such a special set, right, It was so
Speaker 1: unique and industrial and and just a lot of wires
Speaker 1: and growing things. He had fucking grow a grow house,
Speaker 1: the little grow house in the back. Yeah, towards like
Speaker 1: season three or four or something, they added that, like
Speaker 1: did they ever know?
Speaker 2: I mean, I felt like there were all these fucking
Speaker 2: plants hanging where you were just like I know they
Speaker 2: weren't weed, but I used to be.
Speaker 1: Like, this is on track, right, Yeah, Tuck's.
Speaker 2: Little dark hydroponic Is that the word?
Speaker 1: I think? So?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because hydroponics sounds.
Speaker 1: Right to me.
Speaker 2: Then we see Harrison is everyone's trying to listen to
Speaker 2: this black box recording from the plane crash to figure
Speaker 2: out who is truly at fault for the plane crashing.
Speaker 2: Is it the pilot? You know, Darren Petty who who
Speaker 2: played the husband of the pilot so well, hires Olivia
Speaker 2: Pope to sort of represent the pilot of the plane
Speaker 2: that she was not at fault. And everyone's listening to
Speaker 2: the black box and we see Harrison doing like the
Speaker 2: most amazing like that. He's so musical and he's like
Speaker 2: obsessively listening to the box. It's in this episode where
Speaker 2: I'm like this fuck, I love that there are three
Speaker 2: degrees of Britney Spears on candle. You were in a
Speaker 2: Britney Spears music video. Yeah, Shanda wrote Crossroads, Yes, Crossroads yep,
Speaker 2: and Columbus choreographed one of her tours.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like that's so crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah why did she never visit? Set right between the
Speaker 2: whole thing of like listening to the black box over
Speaker 2: and over again, figuring it out, and then doesn't Harrison
Speaker 2: look at us. We're at the coffee station and he
Speaker 2: shouts like it wasn't the plane, It wasn't it, And
Speaker 2: his eyes are all red and you could tell you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like Harrison had red makeup put on his eyes,
Speaker 2: plus his eyes looked insane. It was like, yeah, he
Speaker 2: hadn't slept because he's just like listening and listening and
Speaker 2: listening and trying to decode what's in this. And then
Speaker 2: he yells at them and says something like brilliant, we
Speaker 2: learn that Laurie wasn't drinking. Again all these guest stars coast.
Speaker 2: The performances are fucking ridiculous. So Stupertius that was too
Speaker 2: drunk on her birthday and stand in and then Sebe
Speaker 2: goes and visits her in the hotel room and she's like,
Speaker 2: doesn't even know that everyone had gone down?
Speaker 1: So good? So good? The yeah, yeah, the one that
Speaker 1: was hung over.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was so good.
Speaker 1: She played Carly Reston and her name her her actually
Speaker 1: actress's name is Amanda Fuller.
Speaker 2: And did you fucking google?
Speaker 1: I sure did, Katie, because because of what you were
Speaker 1: just saying, she's so good that I was like, we
Speaker 1: have to give this actor a shout out. Her name
Speaker 1: is Amanda Fuller, and she's yeah, she's been in a
Speaker 1: ton of stuff. She was in a Grayze episode. She
Speaker 1: played Britney Murphy. In a TV movie about Britney Murphy.
Speaker 1: Remember the amazing Brittany Murphy.
Speaker 2: She fucking killed.
Speaker 1: That, but that this actress fucking just brought it.
Speaker 2: No, she was unbelievable. She's hysterical crying, she's funny at
Speaker 2: the top, just open the door and be like what
Speaker 2: And she has to go into this whole thing where
Speaker 2: she realized she just missed death.
Speaker 1: Darby is so good in this scene too, because you
Speaker 1: could see how cold she is and she's like, she
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to deal with someone being emotional. So
Speaker 1: she pushes the tissue box forward, yes, and then she
Speaker 1: keeps crying and then she pushes it forward again, Like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so classic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not comforting at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Was that written in the stage directions? Or is that
Speaker 2: Darby just making genius acting choices.
Speaker 1: I want to say it was Darby making genius acting choices.
Speaker 2: I want to say that too.
Speaker 1: So so good, Like she did not know how to
Speaker 1: comfort this what the character did not know how to
Speaker 1: comfort someone that's breaking down like that? It was just
Speaker 1: so fun to watch to watch her work.
Speaker 2: We're back in the OPA office, comes in and says
Speaker 2: and screams Amanda Tanner is dead.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I remember getting chills doing that scene. Oh,
Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite. You know how you
Speaker 1: have scenes that it just feels so good to do
Speaker 1: and they stick with you. I just remember that moment.
Speaker 2: What were our lines leading up to it? We were
Speaker 2: all like, I just remember, we're running around in a fury,
Speaker 2: and lady is giving up fucking orders, like you go this,
Speaker 2: and you go this, and you go this and and
Speaker 2: and then you're just like you yell, which Huck never does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's caught up because I don't know if we
Speaker 1: mentioned it, but a plane and a plane crashes in
Speaker 1: the episode and it kills one hundred and twenty people.
Speaker 1: And then Olivia now represents the pilot's union and she
Speaker 1: expects the airline is gonna blame Laurie the pilot, which
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: I thought we were all like running around talking about
Speaker 2: like how to find Amanda or something, and then you
Speaker 2: just come to Amanda Tanner's dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you record, stop the whole scene and Olivia looks
Speaker 2: at you.
Speaker 1: And she's like, are you sure. I just shake my
Speaker 1: head yes.
Speaker 2: And then oh and then that's my favorite fucking Carry
Speaker 2: Washington moment acting.
Speaker 1: I wrote that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have the same days. When she marches out to
Speaker 2: the street to the Dan that's been fucking watching it,
Speaker 2: She's like, roll down your fucking window and she bailed
Speaker 2: on the windshield. Tell your guy that I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk into your little microphone and your brants and
Speaker 1: you tell him that I know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I see her do that scene, I feel like
Speaker 2: she is summoning her bronx, her like roots, like her bronx,
Speaker 2: Like this is how I talk to someone when I
Speaker 2: am like in my most power and I'm so pissed
Speaker 2: and I've been so wrunk as it's remarkable. And then
Speaker 2: she turns away from screaming at the two dudes in
Speaker 2: This is Dan, and the whole shot goes into slow mo.
Speaker 1: And she she like rubs her arms, yes, which is
Speaker 1: so just that little moments.
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh my god, It's unfucking believable. So we
Speaker 2: know she's dead, which is horrible and stupid. Ass. Quinn Pergin, Yeah,
Speaker 2: makes a promise, finds Amanda Tanner's dad, brings him to
Speaker 2: the office and said everything is going to be okay,
Speaker 2: I promise to which Olivia is like, Quinn, can I
Speaker 2: speak to you for a minute at the coffee station?
Speaker 1: At the coffee station and.
Speaker 2: Then I'm like yeah, what and she's like, we don't
Speaker 2: make promises. Yeah ever, and I'm like what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? And she's like, Amanda Tanner is dead? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, what did see? I was not mouth agape there.
Speaker 2: I gave you other options.
Speaker 1: Nope, just real quickly. In this scene, we are introduced
Speaker 1: to uh to Hank Tanner. Hank Tanner, who is Amanda
Speaker 1: Tanner's dad, and it's played by Graham Beckel. Now let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I went down a rabbit hole
Speaker 1: googling Homeboy because I was like, I do that with
Speaker 1: all the co stars because it's so fun to see
Speaker 1: what they've been in. So Graham Beckele was in fucking
Speaker 1: Broke Back Mountain. He plays Anne Hathaway's dad in that
Speaker 1: fucking amazing scene when they're having thanks dinner and Hathaway
Speaker 1: and Jake Jillen Hall they have the TV playing and
Speaker 1: their little son is like watching the TV and the
Speaker 1: mother's like, you eat your food, stop watching TV, and
Speaker 1: Jake Jillen Hall goes and turns off the TV and
Speaker 1: the dad gets up and he's like turns it back
Speaker 1: on anyway, It's a back and forth, but it's such
Speaker 1: a powerful scene. And this man played and Hathaway's dad.
Speaker 2: Wow, I would have never known that.
Speaker 1: How great is he in this episode? Like he's.
Speaker 2: He's that heartbreaking, heartbreaking and what a hard yes, like
Speaker 2: let's come in, let's meet you, and let's have you
Speaker 2: be here on the worst day of your character's life,
Speaker 2: like raw, yes, seeing your daughter's fucking body Like this
Speaker 2: guy is he's just so vulnerable in this episode and
Speaker 2: he's so sad and to see this like grown masculine
Speaker 2: ass man like breaking down. He's he was again perfect
Speaker 2: fucking casting.
Speaker 1: We'll get and we I was wondering, we'll get to it,
Speaker 1: but this episode, like you, I don't even have to say.
Speaker 2: It, right, Oh, I remember it forever forever you and
Speaker 2: I I go yet.
Speaker 1: I think that's why I cried so much watching the episode,
Speaker 1: because I was remembering that and oh it was just
Speaker 1: such a yeah, but we'll get to it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Girma and I have well, you have
Speaker 2: to get there. We're gonna get to that scene really soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, Olivia calls Fits, he didn't know, he
Speaker 2: didn't know that she's dead. Yes, they do like a
Speaker 2: split screen down the center with like you know where
Speaker 2: they split the screen in two and there's like a
Speaker 2: black bar between their phone call. And Olivia is the
Speaker 2: first person to tell Fits that Amanda Tanner is dead,
Speaker 2: and he's like, come, look me in the eye. You
Speaker 2: know I'm telling the truth. It's not something I would
Speaker 2: ever fucking do. And she says, yeah, but you let
Speaker 2: Cyrus off his leash. You know, if the dog maul's
Speaker 2: a baby, it's the owner's fault, and you know that's
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, he's a he's a pit bull. You
Speaker 1: let your you let your dog off the leash. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh it's such a great scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is such a fucking great scene.
Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote come on split screen in my notes,
Speaker 1: and then I wrote very Brian de Palma, because Brian
Speaker 1: de Palma does that a lot in his movies. He
Speaker 1: does split screen. Yeah, oh, such a powerful scene. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then I wrote, they do right by the pilot and
Speaker 2: they have an alibi that she wasn't drinking. Then we
Speaker 2: go into Olivia asks, oh, this was my title? Whoa
Speaker 2: g acting.
Speaker 1: Whoa oh Man.
Speaker 2: Which is basically for the scene where Olivia comes into
Speaker 2: your office and says, I need you to help me
Speaker 2: find the body. Yeah, and if you need me to
Speaker 2: come get you, you know, just call or something like that,
Speaker 2: and we're like, what what is this? What is happening?
Speaker 1: These scenes with a Huck in Olivia were always so
Speaker 1: so special because there was just that unspoken like action
Speaker 1: with those two right. The room was so full of
Speaker 1: emotions and like just stuff when we would do those scenes,
Speaker 1: and it was so easy to play, but it was
Speaker 1: exhilarating to play these scenes with Carrie. It was so
Speaker 1: much fun. And in this episode, I think it's the
Speaker 1: first time and it's the first time you see Huck
Speaker 1: torture someone, but it's the first time that I thought,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is this is going to a
Speaker 1: really dark place with my character, you know, and I
Speaker 1: freaking loved it. I was like, this is the thing
Speaker 1: that's ever happened to me in my life as an actor.
Speaker 1: Oh it was. I felt so so it was so great.
Speaker 2: But it's true they asked of you, Like what they
Speaker 2: asked of you was so fucking wild, and you went
Speaker 2: there so beautifully and I wrote, I wrote WHOA Gee's
Speaker 2: acting WHOA in that scene?
Speaker 1: Not to get too deep, but a person like a
Speaker 1: person that's been through a lot of shit. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've all been through a lot of shit. But this
Speaker 1: is like a gift to be able to to, you know,
Speaker 1: slice yourself. Sally Field said this once in an interview.
Speaker 1: They were like, how do you prepare for those emotional scenes?
Speaker 1: And she said, I start symbolically sort of slicing myself
Speaker 1: open emotionally and opening up all those old wounds and
Speaker 1: scars and shit that happened to you. And I'm super like,
Speaker 1: if somebody walks in the room and they're going through
Speaker 1: a really hard time, my eye goes right to them
Speaker 1: and my heart opens up, and I'm like, I can't
Speaker 1: like settle and I can't really have a good time
Speaker 1: if I see someone that's going through something. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: an EmPATH anyway, So it was a gift to be
Speaker 1: able to play this this character. And I just use
Speaker 1: that shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You can like go there and you feel like you're
Speaker 2: not allowed to do that in your day to day life.
Speaker 2: So to like get to be able, you know, some
Speaker 2: people would like scream at a steering wheel or like
Speaker 2: sob cry in a shower. Yeah, and most people probably
Speaker 2: don't even let themselves do that. And then it's so
Speaker 2: awesome when you're an actor that you get to just
Speaker 2: like do this stuff. Yeah yourself, go like go to
Speaker 2: a really dark place, go to like a really scary
Speaker 2: emotional place, and it's okay because you were in a
Speaker 2: safe environment.
Speaker 1: It was also exciting and not knowing what was going
Speaker 1: to happen when I was doing the scene, like emotionally,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? That was so exciting
Speaker 1: to be like, this is so fucked up. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what's gonna happen, if I'm gonna cry or whatever,
Speaker 1: what I'm going to feel and.
Speaker 2: Do anyway, Okay, Then I wrote, oh my god, he
Speaker 2: has Charlie on the tarp. Yes, red tool Huck gets
Speaker 2: his red toolbox, but eight thousand xlimation points and I
Speaker 2: wrote red toolbox multiple times.
Speaker 1: This is the first time we see the toolbox, which
Speaker 1: is so funny because our podcast is called yeah, Unpacking
Speaker 1: the Toolbox.
Speaker 2: Yes, Unpacking the toolbox. Baby, did you ever know that
Speaker 2: this was going to be his thing?
Speaker 1: No? Not at all, not at all. I knew when
Speaker 1: we you know, when we got the episode at the
Speaker 1: table reader the day before or whatever. But before that, no,
Speaker 1: I had no idea. But again, I freaking loved it.
Speaker 1: I was like, God, he's gonna fucking torture someone with
Speaker 1: all these tools in his toolbox.
Speaker 2: How did you make George Newborn feel safe? Because I
Speaker 2: didn't know him very well, but I remember him being like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm doing this job. I have one scene,
Speaker 2: you know where I have like talking with Germo Diaz
Speaker 2: in a diner and then I'm like naked. He was
Speaker 2: like in a duct tape underwear on a tarp where
Speaker 2: I just have to scream a lot. And I was like, yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know for like an older dude who has
Speaker 2: a very successful career, like, I don't know what you
Speaker 2: would think of that job. What was it like on
Speaker 2: the day? Were you very collaborative? Were you nervous? Was
Speaker 2: he nervous?
Speaker 1: I think we were both nervous. I was super nervous,
Speaker 1: but an excited nervous, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: the scene was so good. But I think thing with
Speaker 1: me and George, we as people and as the characters,
Speaker 1: we clicked right away, like it felt right, you know
Speaker 1: how sometimes that happens on a movie or a TV
Speaker 1: show where you're like, oh, this just and and I
Speaker 1: think that was the case with all the regulars on Scandal.
Speaker 1: Something about this cast just it was just right. It
Speaker 1: just made sense, you know what I mean? Yes, And
Speaker 1: when Charlie came into the picture, it made sense. And
Speaker 1: houcking Charlie. It just click with him, it was it
Speaker 1: was so easy to do these scenes with him because
Speaker 1: it just it just felt right. And I and also
Speaker 1: me and George I crack up a lot. We love
Speaker 1: to laugh, as you know, because you love to laugh
Speaker 1: with us too.
Speaker 2: You well, the three of us two were together a
Speaker 2: lot over the seven years.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: And you what's so funny about you two seeing you
Speaker 2: do these scenes with him? You're both two of the
Speaker 2: funniest dudes, I know, two of the most sweetest in
Speaker 2: your hearts like people, I know, like like really genuinely
Speaker 2: like want good things for people. And then to just
Speaker 2: watch this episode and see him fucking screaming his head
Speaker 2: off while you're doing yeah for buying fucking things to him,
Speaker 2: like I can't.
Speaker 1: He's drilling holes into him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's horrible. Is that what you were doing. It
Speaker 2: was drilling holes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's he's drilling holes in his body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god, are you fucking kidding me? That's
Speaker 2: disgusting all because he won't tell you where the Amanitanna body.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just asking where her body is and he
Speaker 1: won't tell me. But look in my notes, I wrote
Speaker 1: to film this was frightening, exhilarating, anxiety inducing. I also
Speaker 1: wrote it felt like it felt like an orgasm. I
Speaker 1: was in a trance doing doing the scene shit, And
Speaker 1: then I wrote, if it's like chanting, you know when
Speaker 1: you chant and you just get in the sort of
Speaker 1: trance seeing the words that Sean Shonda wrote and that
Speaker 1: the Scandal writers wrote, feels like chanting because it's again,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before. It it's so well written,
Speaker 1: and it just flows out of your mouth so well.
Speaker 1: I felt like that happened a lot doing a Huck
Speaker 1: scenes because I felt like I would go in a
Speaker 1: trance because sometimes, you know, you get caught up like fuck,
Speaker 1: am I gonna remember the lines? And then I'm sure
Speaker 1: you do this too, or you've thought about this. But
Speaker 1: it gets to the point where they're rolling and they're
Speaker 1: like all right, action in my head, I think, all right,
Speaker 1: let me see if I remember my lines and just
Speaker 1: let the words come out, and you're and you have
Speaker 1: to say them super fast, so part of you just
Speaker 1: has to like relinquish control and just whatever happens happens
Speaker 1: or whatever comes out comes out when all the words
Speaker 1: come out. Right, Oh, it's just it's it's it's best
Speaker 1: good feels, the best feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that aha moment or whatever. That like you're in
Speaker 2: the flow, Like you're in that human heightened high vibrational
Speaker 2: flow where you're like, yes, there is no time, there
Speaker 2: is no then or future. You're just like really heightened
Speaker 2: connective tissue right then and there. But I think that
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense, the transpart, because I do
Speaker 2: think sometimes, Huck, the way you'll you sound when you're
Speaker 2: like doing some of those scenes is you're like it
Speaker 2: almost sounds like you're chanting. I've never even thought about
Speaker 2: that until this moment, but it's sort of oh my
Speaker 2: god that I could barely watch it. I was like
Speaker 2: completely terrified. Yeah, okay, then we have I put a
Speaker 2: shitload of exclamation points for Sally Langston.
Speaker 1: First, all yes, yes.
Speaker 2: All in the White House he's trying to pass the
Speaker 2: Dream Act, which is similar to like dhaka, isn't.
Speaker 1: It Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Fits wants and knows that this is the right thing
Speaker 2: to do to be passed, and Sally Langston is holding
Speaker 2: up all the votes and not letting it happen, and
Speaker 2: Fitz has the most like amazing monologue to her about
Speaker 2: like hah yeah, yeah, fuck you, you're gonna put the
Speaker 2: Dream Act through? Yes, And Sally Langston is so wonderful
Speaker 2: and fans must have gone so crazy because that's Merit
Speaker 2: Gray's mom from Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 1: Yes, Kate, well, listen, can we talk about Kate Burton.
Speaker 1: What a fucking dope person she is? She is like,
Speaker 1: oh so lovely, so kind, so loving, the nicest freaking person.
Speaker 1: And I love seeing really kind, like nice, genuinely happy
Speaker 1: people play these asshole characters. She does it so so well. Also,
Speaker 1: Kate Burton, which again I went on a googling thing
Speaker 1: and I knew this already, But Kate Burton is the
Speaker 1: daughter of Richard Burton, who used to be married to
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Taylor Is. She's the daughter of Richard Burton and
Speaker 1: Sybil Williams, who was a Welsh actress.
Speaker 2: And I just think it was amazing that on Scandal
Speaker 2: we had our president and vice president were Hollywood royalty,
Speaker 2: because we had Tony Goldwyn of Goldwyn Metro Mayer and
Speaker 2: his whole dynasty of like MGM. And then we had
Speaker 2: Sally Langston played by Kate Burton, who's Richard Burton's daughter.
Speaker 2: Like we had like two Hollywood lineage of like I mean,
Speaker 2: they have debt, their their their Hollywood royalty.
Speaker 1: It's in their blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, their blood. It's why they can walk around and
Speaker 2: sort of be like I'm the president and I'm vice
Speaker 2: president or whatever. But my god, Sally Langston again, in
Speaker 2: this episode, you get your first glims at Sally Langston.
Speaker 2: You get your first glims at Charlie. Two people who
Speaker 2: were with us till the end, yes, and who were
Speaker 2: in countless eight billion episodes and were such genuses on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: And then we pull I remember this like it was yesterday,
Speaker 2: We pull Amanda Tanner out of the Potomac.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remem we shot it in Long Beach. Do
Speaker 1: you remember that? Wasn't it Long Beach?
Speaker 2: We shot it in Long Beach and I was so
Speaker 2: nervous because Scandal ABC or something was like making me
Speaker 2: go around at the same time and like interviewing you people.
Speaker 1: I remember that and we were pissed. You were kind
Speaker 1: of pissed because it's such an emotional, you know.
Speaker 2: Scene, and like, yeah, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm watching Amanda Tanner being pulled out of the Potomac
Speaker 2: and instead I'm going around. They've asked me to go
Speaker 2: around with my cell phone and being like, what do
Speaker 2: you like about Scandal? And like, obviously that shit is
Speaker 2: important because the show was in no way shape form
Speaker 2: a hit in season one and we were doing whatever
Speaker 2: we could on the social media fucking channels to get
Speaker 2: anyone to watch our show.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was the hardest thing on the show,
Speaker 1: was navigating doing press stuff and being able to stay
Speaker 1: focused on our work on the show, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because that would get thrown at us all
Speaker 1: the time, where it was like they would come on
Speaker 1: set and we have to do epks, which is a
Speaker 1: electronic press kit and you do all these interviews, but
Speaker 1: that would happen all the time.
Speaker 2: But navigating that my first day, I remember it like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Manda Tanner's being pulled out. We're all
Speaker 2: so upset. We didn't even know death was like a
Speaker 2: thing on the show. Really yeah, And I'm going around
Speaker 2: being like, can you tell us what you think about sill?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my god, this is I actually
Speaker 2: have the video still in my phone and when we
Speaker 2: put out this episode, I'm gonna put that on so
Speaker 2: everyone can know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we go to the morgue.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Katie and that is me.
Speaker 2: Me and Gearmo were like best friends for life.
Speaker 1: After that we bonded. I feel like that was our
Speaker 1: first like bonding moment where we truly bonded as as
Speaker 1: you know, as Katie and Ghirmo. Like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck happened. Maybe it was because we were
Speaker 1: shooting the scene where you know, Amanda's dad is at
Speaker 1: the morgue and he has to identify her body, and
Speaker 1: it was already a super emotional, like somber ominous sort
Speaker 1: of feeling on set, and and somehow like what do
Speaker 1: you remember.
Speaker 2: We talked about this on previous episodes, where like sometimes
Speaker 2: the tears are there and sometimes they're not, And this
Speaker 2: was one of these days where for some reason, like
Speaker 2: in the universe. Giermo and I were just like a
Speaker 2: well of emotion and tears and feelings. And we were
Speaker 2: standing at that window looking into the morgue at Amanda's
Speaker 2: body and I couldn't stop crying, and I and I'm
Speaker 2: just feeling the feelings of the show. And I had
Speaker 2: lost I was kept you know, things kept coming into
Speaker 2: my head. And I had lost a friend who had
Speaker 2: died of lung cancer right when I auditioned for the part,
Speaker 2: and she, for some reason was just like her spirit
Speaker 2: was like very present in the room for me.
Speaker 1: I remember you telling me that story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of running away from it, I was really
Speaker 2: singing into it, and I was really emotional. And it
Speaker 2: was one of these days where it's like we had
Speaker 2: the opportunity to really just like feel it and gear
Speaker 2: moment you use it, yeah right there with me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember me and you stepping like away from everyone.
Speaker 1: We were in the back of the set and we
Speaker 1: were talking about all this stuff and we couldn't stop crying.
Speaker 1: And I remember you telling me now that you guys all,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you still.
Speaker 2: Do it go on a hip every year every year
Speaker 2: on her death. Yeah, every year on her death.
Speaker 1: That day sticks so strongly in my memory, and it's
Speaker 1: so special. I do like, I've never had an experience
Speaker 1: like that with with someone. It was so special, It
Speaker 1: was so Katie and I wrote down no tearstick here.
Speaker 1: From what we talked about, we didn't need that. See, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes you need that tears.
Speaker 2: We didn't need that mental blow. We didn't need it.
Speaker 2: We had tears for fucking days.
Speaker 1: We'll be back soon, guys.
Speaker 2: Oh, this part really quick. Olivia goes to touch Hawk
Speaker 2: at that same scene and you like quickly jerk yourself away,
Speaker 2: and we realize.
Speaker 1: That recoil away. Yeah, that it has.
Speaker 2: Taken a toll. It has you. You getting Charlie on
Speaker 2: the tarp took its toll. Yeah, I wrote, Amanda dead,
Speaker 2: were crying. We were crying so much when we shot that.
Speaker 2: Do you remember, Gearmo wrote.
Speaker 1: I wrote, do you remember Katie? Oh my god, look,
Speaker 1: I said, I wrote, look Katie, exclamation point. Remember our
Speaker 1: special emotional time while filming at the Coroners. We couldn't
Speaker 1: stop crying. We truly bonded in this episode. No tearstick here,
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Crazy Okay, Then Darren Petty crying for his wife. Finally
Speaker 2: they get to the bottom of it that like it
Speaker 2: was this poorror fucking lady's fault about the plane. She
Speaker 2: made it to her daughter's recital and she.
Speaker 1: Decided to just duplicate them.
Speaker 2: When the plane was broken and she sends it up
Speaker 2: the ladder and the plane was broken, but it was
Speaker 2: her fault for not filing it correctly. And she's there there,
Speaker 2: underpaid and overworked and normally her job used to be
Speaker 2: two people's jobs and she's amazing in that scene.
Speaker 1: Can we just give a shout out to Leonora May
Speaker 1: is the actress who played that role. My god, yes,
Speaker 1: oh yes, I am going to make out with you again.
Speaker 3: Okay must be known as the Scandal rewatch podcast where
Speaker 3: every fucking actor gets their fucking.
Speaker 1: Sho fucking yes, Leonora May amazing in this.
Speaker 2: Role and their respect. Lenora May was in and she
Speaker 2: was in.
Speaker 1: An episode of Little House on the Prairie, which is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows ever that Brad Yukobean freaking
Speaker 1: worked on. Did you know this?
Speaker 2: I didn't know. Brad Brad, who was one of our
Speaker 2: producers of Scandal, was one of the producers on Little
Speaker 2: House on a Prairie.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he worked on Little House. Yep, but she
Speaker 1: did an episode. She did an episode of Gray's Lenora May.
Speaker 1: She's a very accomplished actor, and she was just wonderful
Speaker 1: in this fucking scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she fucking demolished.
Speaker 1: And also Harrison's Columbus reaction to her it was so great,
Speaker 1: so good, so real, so oh so organic, so so good.
Speaker 2: It was so good. So we find that out, and
Speaker 2: Olivia's like, you know, lets the record be known that
Speaker 2: she was not drunk. She was an amazing pilot. The
Speaker 2: airplane says that they're at fall. Darren Petty, the actor
Speaker 2: who plays Andrew Mackelson, gets you know, his sort of
Speaker 2: do of like wiping his wife's name clean. Yes, and
Speaker 2: then the quick wrap up of the end of the
Speaker 2: episode is Tony calls in hallan Tom's so good, the
Speaker 2: two fucking amazing secret Service agents, and he's like, what
Speaker 2: do I need to do to get out of here?
Speaker 2: They list this ridiculous shit. He's like, I'll do it
Speaker 2: for this, and it's a hilarious joke line because they're like,
Speaker 2: he's just like forty three, whoa is he like George Bush?
Speaker 2: Oh no, forty three is George Bush Junior? Excuse me,
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1: No, I looked it up yesterday. I was like, which
Speaker 1: one is forty three?
Speaker 2: Then it cuts to Quinn goes to Gideon's apartment. He
Speaker 2: owns up the door, She's crying in his arms, and
Speaker 2: where is Tony going.
Speaker 1: To Olivia's apartment? Right?
Speaker 2: Olivia's apartment and she's on the phone with Stephen as
Speaker 2: she opens the door. And he did fuck the lady
Speaker 2: in the morgue and did cheat on whatever her.
Speaker 1: Name, Georgia, Georgia, yeah, Georgia.
Speaker 2: And he says it's Amanda was pregnant, but it was
Speaker 2: not Fitz's baby.
Speaker 1: And right there, Olivia opens the door and Tony's standing
Speaker 1: right there. So good, it's so good.
Speaker 2: I mean, the episode is a banger, but this talk
Speaker 2: really quickly.
Speaker 1: The moment with you and Gideon at the door, that
Speaker 1: was such a beautiful scene, Katie. Oh, you were so
Speaker 1: so good, Like all those emotions that you had throughout
Speaker 1: the episode that the audience has, like it was released
Speaker 1: through you in that scene and it was so good.
Speaker 1: I got it today.
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't remember if I used a tearstick for
Speaker 2: that scene or not. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because it was so good, and Gideon
Speaker 1: was so good.
Speaker 2: He was really good, and I, you know, all I
Speaker 2: was thinking about was like, oh, fuck, here's where we
Speaker 2: go into the grilled cheese sex scene, which we're gonna
Speaker 2: get you in next episode.
Speaker 1: Katie, I'm feeling like we should get into.
Speaker 2: Tweet tet twetwe twet twet twet, tweet, tweet tweet.
Speaker 1: Tweet, tweet, tweet, tweel the top tweetweeteetwo tweet.
Speaker 2: Is there any Scandal tweets of the time that we
Speaker 2: should read that we feel like are hilarious? Need to
Speaker 2: be mentioned? This is great? Tiffany Carter at tiff d
Speaker 2: car Tom on April twenty eighth, twenty twelve, wrote fact
Speaker 2: Kerrie Washington first African American lead actress and network show
Speaker 2: since sixties. Wow major true ps hashtag major fashion on
Speaker 2: Scandal ABC. Yeah, guys, that shit was true. She at
Speaker 2: the time, Carrie was the first African American leading lady
Speaker 2: of a network drama in thirty seven years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: The last drama was in nineteen sixty eight and it
Speaker 2: was Julia played by Diane Carroll. But like since Diane
Speaker 2: Carroll that had there had not been an African American
Speaker 2: leading lady of a drama in thirty seven years. How
Speaker 2: insane is that?
Speaker 1: And that it was successful and that the show lasted
Speaker 1: so long. You know, it's such a such a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2: It had to be successful. I mean the problem because
Speaker 2: sliding Doors. Had Scandal not been successful, there would have
Speaker 2: never been another black leading lady again, like for a
Speaker 2: long time, you know what I mean. They would have
Speaker 2: been like, well, clearly that didn't work, so we're not
Speaker 2: going to take that risk again, whoever the they is.
Speaker 2: But thank god everyone is amazing and watched the show
Speaker 2: because then after Carrie, it was like it opened up
Speaker 2: so many doors to like there being all different looking
Speaker 2: types of people as leads of network shows. Okay, Matt Mitovich,
Speaker 2: who was a very huge supporter of Scandal for so
Speaker 2: long at Matt Midivich on April twenty six tweeted, reminder,
Speaker 2: tonight at about nine to fifty five is when Scandal's
Speaker 2: scandalousness spikes for consecutive weeks straight through to the finale.
Speaker 2: So yes, I guess we were like gaining some traction.
Speaker 2: I guess like four people were watching the.
Speaker 1: Show, right, Jersey Fame, that's it. She says, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Scandal ABC was straight crazy. Kerry Washington, you better act,
Speaker 1: you better act boo hashtag scandal.
Speaker 2: Uh heck yeah, Lego, What the hell does that mean? Franklin, Oh, Lego,
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot, but you learn something new every day.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's like that, right, I think
Speaker 1: it's like let's go or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they wrote s B. Franklin wrote at Scandal ABC,
Speaker 2: uh heck yeah, leg go hashtag scan I'm ready to
Speaker 2: gladiate or whatever, which was Quinn's line hashtag Scandal quotes.
Speaker 2: L dave Net wrote, replying to Josh Molina, Josh Molina, you, sir,
Speaker 2: are the glue that holds Scandal ABC together. Also, you've
Speaker 2: left sticky fingerprints all over my TV. Please stop. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the person are they friends?
Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean. Like when he put
Speaker 1: peanut butter on on Porsche de Rossies like car handle.
Speaker 2: But fucking whipped cream and shaving cream all over my
Speaker 2: trailer doors, all over my car doors. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 2: put that shit over my car or handles.
Speaker 1: We have to do a whole episode of the ship
Speaker 1: that Josh pulled. Josh, Yeah he did. What do you
Speaker 1: say well, he called me, changed his voice and left
Speaker 1: me a message on my voicemail saying he was a
Speaker 1: New York City police detective and that I was in
Speaker 1: big trouble. And Katie that whole day me being so anxious,
Speaker 1: I was an emotional mask because I was like, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, what have I done?
Speaker 2: Molina got a voice changer on his phone that he
Speaker 2: could leave voicemails, and it didn't sound like him. He
Speaker 2: like me a voicemail that said, we've got your phone
Speaker 2: number and we heard some scoop on Scandal about someone's behavior.
Speaker 2: You need to call it back immediately. And I was
Speaker 2: shitting bricks because I was like, how did a reporter
Speaker 2: get my cell phone number?
Speaker 3: Like, and I've never been on a show that's successful,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what to say, and am I
Speaker 3: supposed to call my back?
Speaker 2: And I don't even have a publicist. We're gonna do
Speaker 2: when we have josh On, We're gonna go real hard.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, praanking he did. Those are some tweets at
Speaker 2: the time. This has been such an amazing episode of
Speaker 2: Scandal Rewatch podcast because it ended up with tears and
Speaker 2: praise and Garmo Diez just doing the most incredible dramaturgical
Speaker 2: researcher work on every guest star on the Scandal show.
Speaker 2: And they are so appreciative, and I am so appreciative
Speaker 2: of the work you've done.
Speaker 1: Oh please, oh my god, this is again. I can't
Speaker 1: I can't imagine doing this with anyone else but you, like,
Speaker 1: it's truly a gift that we get to do this.
Speaker 2: You guys, please tell your friends that this is a
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Speaker 2: the Trail, which is literally one of the most famous
Speaker 2: Scandal episodes of all time.
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