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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Amy Morris. Here are the

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Speaker 2: stories we're following today.

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Speaker 3: We begin in the Middle East. It is being called

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Speaker 3: the worst single day death toll for the Israeli military

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Speaker 3: the latest from Bloomberg's Rosland Matheson.

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Speaker 4: There was a serious attack on Israeli soldiers yesterday in

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Speaker 4: Gas and we know about twenty one of them have

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Speaker 4: been killed. They were looking to have explosives to demolish

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Speaker 4: homes in the area when they were fired upon by

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Speaker 4: rocket propelled grenade. Will that change the feeling inside Israel

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Speaker 4: about the war?

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Speaker 3: Probably not, Bloomberg's ros Mathison says. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

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Speaker 3: Natan Yahoo is saying that the army will fight on

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Speaker 3: until quote absolute victory. Meanwhile, three other Israeli soldiers were

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Speaker 3: killed in a separate incident in han Yunis, bringing the

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Speaker 3: total one day death toll to twenty four. Israel's military

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Speaker 3: now says it has that southern Gaza city surrounded.

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Speaker 2: Now staying in the Middle East, the US is signaling

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Speaker 2: it intends to way just sustained campaign against Hoothy's in Yemen,

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg said, Ed Baxter has that story.

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Speaker 5: The latest attacks against eight sites hitting underground that the

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Speaker 5: US has housed, arms and surveillance systems intelligence. It says

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Speaker 5: the US UK operation did major damage and as setback

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Speaker 5: Hoothy efforts to carry out attacks on US military and

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Speaker 5: shipping of the Red Sea. The joint statement says, let

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Speaker 5: us reiterate our warning to Hoothy leadership. We will not

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Speaker 5: hesitate to defend lives and the free flow of commerce.

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Speaker 5: The Iran backed Hoothy's also issued a statement saying the

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Speaker 5: new aggression will not go unpunished. Ed Baxter Bloomberg Radio, All.

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Speaker 3: Right, Ed, thank you.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 3: Back here in the US, it is all about presidential politics.

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Speaker 3: This is primary day in New Hampshire, and both Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump and Nikki Haley have been urging their supporters said

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Speaker 3: get out and vote.

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Speaker 7: Get out of bed and just get to vote, Grab

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Speaker 7: your neighbor, grab everybody you gotta you gotta go out

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Speaker 7: because we have to win by big more margins.

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Speaker 3: For The former president led a rally last night in Laconia,

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Speaker 3: New Hampshire, while the former South Carolina governor made her

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Speaker 8: Chaos follows him, and we can't be a country in

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Speaker 8: disarray and have a world on fire and go.

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Speaker 9: Through four more years of chaosk because we won't survive it.

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Speaker 3: The latest Real Clear Politics average shows Nicki Haley trailing

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump by about eighteen percentage points in the Granite State.

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Mike Shephard has more from Manchester.

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Speaker 10: New Hampshire's famous for surprises, and yet I think that

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Speaker 10: we are heading toward what could be another Trump victory

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Speaker 10: based on the polling that we're seeing ahead of the

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Speaker 10: actual primary kicking off.

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Speaker 3: And Bloomberg's Mike Shepherd notes the primary did kick off

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Speaker 3: at midnight on the East Coast in tiny Dixville Notch,

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Speaker 3: New Hampshire, where all six votes in that tiny village

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Speaker 3: went to Nicky Haley. Join us for a special edition

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Speaker 3: of Balance of Power Today live from New Hampshire. Joe

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Speaker 3: Matthew and Kaylee Lines will bring us the latest all

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Speaker 3: day long, starting at noon to two pm Eastern Time,

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Speaker 3: then again from the Granite State, and tune into our

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Speaker 3: New Hampshire primary special coverage tonight at eight pm Wall

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Speaker 3: Street Time. You can hear and watch it all live

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Speaker 3: on Bloomberg Radio and television.

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Speaker 2: And Nathan turning to the markets now. Futures are a

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Speaker 2: little changed today after stocks closed at another record high. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: Bill Gross has some advice for the FED stop winding

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Speaker 2: down its balance sheet and start cutting interest rates. We

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Speaker 6: The Fed should lower interest rates over the next six

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Speaker 6: to twelve months. Real interest rates are simply too high.

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Speaker 2: Bill Gross also said stocks are too expensive relative to

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Speaker 3: Man Amy Goldman Sachs chief economist John Hatzius also thinks

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Speaker 3: the Fed could start cutting rates. He says a March

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Speaker 11: The Fed is on its way to achieving the soft landing.

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Speaker 11: Obviously no guarantees, but I like what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 3: Goldman Sachs Chief economist John Hatzey says an easing in

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Speaker 2: It is generally known that happy workers tend to be

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Speaker 2: productive workers. Bloomberg's Jeff Ballinger reports on new research that

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Speaker 11: Gallup estimates disgruntled employees cost American companies one point nine

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Speaker 11: trillion dollars in lost productivity in twenty twenty three. The

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Speaker 11: report says more workers feel detached from their employers in

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Speaker 11: the aftermath of the pandemic, in part because they no

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Speaker 11: high for companies. Engaged workers increase productivity, sales, and profits,

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Speaker 11: and they're less likely to leave. Gallup says half of

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Speaker 11: F Bullinger, Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jeff thanks. Heading overseas, Bloomberg News has learned Chinese

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Speaker 3: authorities are considering a package of measures to stabilize the

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Speaker 3: slumping stock market. More on that from Bloomberg China Government

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Speaker 12: The idea would be to mobilize about two hundred and

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Speaker 12: this money to buy shares onshore through the Hong Kong

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Jill Lisis says a gauge of Chinese stocks listed

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Speaker 3: in Hong Kong rose on the news by two point

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Speaker 2: Staying in Asia, the Bank of Japan is keeping its

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Speaker 2: Speaking at a press conference after the decision, boj Governor

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Speaker 2: prices still remain high. Time now for a look at

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Speaker 2: some of the other stories making news around the world.

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Speaker 2: For that, we're joined by Bloomberg's John Tucker. Good morning John, Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Good morning Aamy. While lawmakers negotiate new policy at the

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Speaker 13: Southern border, the Supreme Court has issued a ruling concerning

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Speaker 8: The Supreme Court says it will allow federal border agents

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Speaker 8: to cut razor wire that Texas installed to discourage crossings.

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Speaker 8: That's while a lawsuit makes its way through the court system.

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Speaker 8: The Justices, by a five to four vote, granted an

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Speaker 8: an escalating standoff with Texas over the handling of the border.

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Speaker 8: The razor wire was installed at the request of Texas

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Speaker 8: Governor Greg Abbott. In Washington, Nancy lyons Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 13: Democrats in New Hampshire are calling un officials to investigate

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Speaker 13: some suspicious robo calls that a Hampshire Attorney General's office

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Speaker 13: says it's investigating reports of an apparent robo call but

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Speaker 13: used artificial intelligence to mimic President Biden advising people in

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Speaker 13: the state not to vote in the primary. One of

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Speaker 13: Boeing's biggest customers has lost confidence in the playmaker's ability

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Speaker 13: to overcome the ongoing quality lapses that climax this month

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Speaker 13: with a midair emergency in Alaska Airlines Flight United Airlines

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Speaker 13: chief executive officer Scott Kirby has been venting his frustrations

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Speaker 13: handling of the max grounding in California, rain ripped through

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Speaker 13: led to flooding and rescues, as well as devastated homeowners.

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Speaker 11: All my collectors, valuable cars, everything have been collected since

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Speaker 13: Dana Farber Cancer Institute, that's a leading Harvard Medical School

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Speaker 7: Amy was at night at Big Men's scoring a lot

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Speaker 7: of points in the NBA. In Minnesota, the Timberwolves call

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Speaker 7: today who's going to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Adrian

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Speaker 3: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. On this primary day in

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Speaker 3: New Hampshire, both Donald Trump and Nikki Haley have made

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Speaker 3: their final pitches to the voters and what is now

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Speaker 3: down to a two person race for the Republican presidential nomination.

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Speaker 3: And joining us now from New Hampshire is Bloomberg's Lord Davison,

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Speaker 3: part of our political team covering today's primary and the race.

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Speaker 3: To Laura, thanks again for being with us. So we've

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Speaker 3: heard from both Trump and Haley in their final Granite

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Speaker 3: State rallies. Where's the enthusiasm?

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Speaker 15: Well, both Haley and Trump gave these very dramatic speeches

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Speaker 15: last night. Hailey's main argument was that Trump is chaos

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Speaker 15: and America can't survive another four years of chaos. Trump

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Speaker 15: then followed with a big rally, of a very raucous

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Speaker 15: So he's saying that Biden has done a good job,

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Speaker 15: So what you're looking for here is, you know, what

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Speaker 6: A negative yield curve and I use the two to

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Speaker 6: And so you know, I think ultimately the yield curve

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Speaker 16: Do you have face right now in the economy? And

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Speaker 6: Well, no, you know, let's let me put it out there.

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Speaker 16: Well, let me ask you, what would you do different

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Speaker 6: Well, I would stop quantitative tightening. I think that's just

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Speaker 17: So, Bill, if you think we're going to get cuts

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Speaker 17: So, Bill, in that environment, does it make sense that

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