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Speaker 4: to this, why not crack open the top one hundred
Speaker 4: prospects that arm Lighton had yet another masterclass experience on
Speaker 4: and really good. It's as detailed a top one hundred
Speaker 4: as you're gonna find. And can you give me a
Speaker 4: guestimation of the hours you spent on the update? Dude?
Speaker 3: I remember when we talk about this every time and
Speaker 3: then I forget, you know, to like actually try to
Speaker 3: track it. I feel no matter what number I throw out,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sound like an asshole way too much. I
Speaker 3: don't know, we'd have to break down that it's gross.
Speaker 3: I can promise you it's gross because it's any free
Speaker 3: time I have, not free time. We went on a
Speaker 3: road trip, my girlfriend Ellie and I, and you know,
Speaker 3: it was several different like drives through the Midwest, got
Speaker 3: to do some minor league stops, got to do some
Speaker 3: other things. And I mean anytime I wasn't driving, you know,
Speaker 3: I was hot spotting and doing more write ups and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So like, there's been no escaping it.
Speaker 3: I love it. I obviously take a lot of pride
Speaker 3: in it. It's definitely I don't think there's anything else
Speaker 3: I do maybe in this world that I am more
Speaker 3: proud of at this point. And I don't have kids,
Speaker 3: I don't have anything, though, like this is it. So No,
Speaker 3: I put a lot of time into it, and I
Speaker 3: appreciate it, man, and I'm excited to hear what everybody thinks.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's deep, man. I don't I don't know how
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to like respond to that. And it's like, wow,
Speaker 4: this is your pride and joy in your life right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I don't know. It kind of boils back
Speaker 3: to like the Walker conversation, right It's like, what's the
Speaker 3: thing that you're good at? And do you obsess over
Speaker 3: the thing that you're good at? Like I really do
Speaker 3: feel like this is my this is my thing, and
Speaker 3: so I unhealthily obsess over it. Thank goodness. There's a
Speaker 3: way that we can, you know, make it worth our
Speaker 3: while here by recording an episode on it, by you know,
Speaker 3: putting it out online and continuing to use it, you know,
Speaker 3: for so many different things. But yeah, I say that
Speaker 3: like half joking, but it really is something I enjoy
Speaker 3: and and it's it's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: You know. There are a lot of people that are
Speaker 4: going to say that you're not good at it, right, Like,
Speaker 4: there are gonna be a lot of comments like.
Speaker 3: This list sucks, you know, it's funny. I always expect more,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure the bigger it gets, the more hate.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll come in and you know, you ranked
Speaker 3: one guy twoh so all of the work is now nullified.
Speaker 3: So looking forward to that, of course.
Speaker 4: Yes, love it all right, So we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 4: kind of go through the top one hundred guys that
Speaker 4: stick out in the back fifty, and then guys that
Speaker 4: stick out in the top fifty, and then we jump
Speaker 4: into the top ten. The top ten is is the
Speaker 4: top ten, So we're going to walk through each of
Speaker 4: those guys ten to one. But before all that, we
Speaker 4: do have to address the Wander Franco thing, because this
Speaker 4: is now impacted baseball, like what's happening on the field.
Speaker 4: You know. It's one of those things that like I
Speaker 4: don't have a take on I don't think there's room
Speaker 4: to have a take on this kind of thing, Like
Speaker 4: if it's true, it's just fucking gross and and terrible,
Speaker 4: and like I don't know, there's no room to like
Speaker 4: have a take. And it's like, here's why I think
Speaker 4: Wander Franco is like not that shitty. It's like, yeah, obviously,
Speaker 4: no fucking sucks if this is the case, so uh,
Speaker 4: it's a really unfortunate situation that a young marketable player
Speaker 4: in Major League Baseball has done this to themselves on
Speaker 4: the baseball field. The Rays get more and more screwed,
Speaker 4: Like this is as cursed a team in the second
Speaker 4: half as you'll find.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah, Well, I want to get to
Speaker 3: that in a second, because like this is I want
Speaker 3: to almost just kind of like open it up and
Speaker 3: be honest with like you listening and you Jack, because
Speaker 3: like we had a conversation before we recorded, like you know,
Speaker 3: you know, how do we really want to go about this?
Speaker 3: Like you don't need me or Jack to sit here
Speaker 3: and tell you that what Wander Franco was, you know,
Speaker 3: what is alleged is absolutely reprehensible, terrible, and you know,
Speaker 3: his grounds to never play Major League Baseball again, the
Speaker 3: grats to go to jail. That's not why we're here.
Speaker 3: I just told you that the thing I'm best at
Speaker 3: in life is writing about prospects. Like I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: be able to provide some sort of special perspective. It's
Speaker 3: common sense. Where I struggle is, you know, the one
Speaker 3: thing we can talk about is the baseball side but
Speaker 3: I also struggle to talk about the baseball side when
Speaker 3: a young woman's life may be permanently affected, when you
Speaker 3: know there might be a you know, families affected that
Speaker 3: it's there's so much more to it than this. But
Speaker 3: I struggle back and forth with this because part of
Speaker 3: me wants to just focus on the baseball side, like
Speaker 3: that's what I do, but it almost makes me feel
Speaker 3: like I'm being sensitive to the issue. But then again,
Speaker 3: on the other side, what the hell else can I
Speaker 3: say about the issue. It's reprehensible, it's terrible. If any
Speaker 3: of that you know that is alleged is true, it's
Speaker 3: all horrible. So I really struggle if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of just like it's kind of just verbal vobiting,
Speaker 3: just like kind of just putting it all out there.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the baseball side. I don't
Speaker 3: really want to talk about the other side, but I
Speaker 3: feel insensitive just talking about the baseball side, Like this
Speaker 3: shit sucks. I hate when we have the crossover of
Speaker 3: like criminal activity, horrible things and then baseball, because there
Speaker 3: is still a business side to it, and there is
Speaker 3: like that's our job is to talk about baseball. So
Speaker 3: it's just so It puts me in always a very
Speaker 3: uncomfortable spot because I never really know how to go
Speaker 3: about it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Right, And we don't like talking about it. I know
Speaker 4: that there are some people that enjoy like getting on
Speaker 4: a moral high horse and just striking down the twenty
Speaker 4: two year old that made a really, really big mistake,
Speaker 4: and I think it indefensible a stake in wander Franco.
Speaker 4: And I don't even know if you can call him
Speaker 4: a stake man, Like it justs sinister, yeah, like he's
Speaker 4: scum of the earth type shit. Like that's the thing.
Speaker 4: We hate talking about this because we would so much
Speaker 4: rather be talking about the four and a half wind
Speaker 4: player that you know is wander Franco. But that's just
Speaker 4: not the case, so it's not fun. I think we
Speaker 4: were waiting for another reputable individual to talk about it,
Speaker 4: and as soon as the race placed him on the
Speaker 4: restricted list and Passing came out and said something about it,
Speaker 4: it was like, Okay, now we got to talk about
Speaker 4: it because it affects baseball, so he's not he's not
Speaker 4: on the West coast road trip. Tampa is in San Francisco,
Speaker 4: and again, like, if this is all true and wander
Speaker 4: Franco was dating this fourteen year old girl, Like that's
Speaker 4: so fucked and he should see prison time. It it
Speaker 4: throws Tampa in a very weird spot where they need
Speaker 4: to rely on a slavist Basab who just got called
Speaker 4: up for his big league debut, Curtis Mead who just
Speaker 4: got called up for his big league debut a couple
Speaker 4: you know, days ago, a week ago. Like they're relying
Speaker 4: on a lot of young guys to try and weather
Speaker 4: the storm for the most decimated pitching rotation that you
Speaker 4: will find in all of baseball. I mean their I
Speaker 4: l on the hill right now is Shane Boz, Shane McClanahan,
Speaker 4: Drew Rasmussen, Jeffrey Springs. That's the best four man rotation
Speaker 4: in baseball.
Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent. That's that's one of the most
Speaker 3: dominant rotations we we'll see. I mean, that's that's gross.
Speaker 3: It's it's really crazy. I it sucks because the Rays
Speaker 3: are one of those organizations for veteran for worse, it
Speaker 3: has to be so perfect to win a World Series.
Speaker 3: That's why we haven't really seen it happen. Because you know,
Speaker 3: there's a direct correlation to spending and winning like that's
Speaker 3: always gonna happen. Doesn't mean that you just spend and win,
Speaker 3: as we see with the Mets, but you know, those
Speaker 3: are the kind of things that put you over the top.
Speaker 3: So the Rays have been trying to put themselves over
Speaker 3: the top, whether that was locking up a Wanderfront to
Speaker 3: ironic use of term, actually, whether it was securing a
Speaker 3: long term deal with Wander Franco and or you know,
Speaker 3: going to get a zach Afflin like they we saw
Speaker 3: them spending a little bit more here and there. They were,
Speaker 3: you know, reportedly and one of the best, if not
Speaker 3: the second best offer for Freddie Freeman. Like they were
Speaker 3: kind of trying to pick these spots now because I
Speaker 3: think they finally felt like they had this really good
Speaker 3: core that wasn't going anywhere anytime soon. And now like
Speaker 3: a couple of their really young arms go down, even
Speaker 3: some of the slightly older arms that you felt like
Speaker 3: were could be a you know, a piece for the
Speaker 3: next several years, those guys go down. We're talking about
Speaker 3: second TJ type stuff where you don't even know what
Speaker 3: you're going to get back, you know. And then of
Speaker 3: course what's happening with Wander, the Rays aren't a really, really,
Speaker 3: really tough spot because you got to look at this season.
Speaker 3: You're still in the playoffs by a good margin. You're
Speaker 3: still talented, but you're decimated from what you were and
Speaker 3: you almost have to start thinking about what are the
Speaker 3: next couple of years even look like, because how do
Speaker 3: the Rais approach this. They want from a team that
Speaker 3: was like purposely or perfectly put together to win now
Speaker 3: and in the future, similar to the Orioles. And I
Speaker 3: think they're still in a fantastic spot overall if you
Speaker 3: look at the entire roster. But you know, as we
Speaker 3: get more clarity on the Wander situation, you look at
Speaker 3: the pitching. This is gonna be a real test of
Speaker 3: the cleverness of the Tampa Bay Rays. Obviously we got
Speaker 3: to wait to find out what the deal is with Wander,
Speaker 3: but even besides that, their pitching is so beat up.
Speaker 3: They got a lot of things to sort through, which
Speaker 3: is really unfortunate given the way this season started for
Speaker 3: them in the first half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think what people what's so hard to
Speaker 4: realize in real time now is we're thinking about Wander
Speaker 4: Franco not being with the Tampa Bay Rays this year,
Speaker 4: Like this is career ending stuff, Wander Franco. If this
Speaker 4: is true, I mean he could be facing prison time
Speaker 4: and not play Major League baseball again. So it's that
Speaker 4: level of severe. What do you do when that contract,
Speaker 4: that extension it would almost definitely be voided. But what
Speaker 4: do you do for you know that, like, what do
Speaker 4: you do at the future of the shortstop position? Because
Speaker 4: Tampa perennially has one of the better farm systems, if
Speaker 4: not the best farm system in baseball. I think if
Speaker 4: you looked over the last ten years, Tampa may have
Speaker 4: the aggregate best farm system in the game. Carson Williams
Speaker 4: is in Hia right now. Carson Williams is probably a
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five guy. Is bisab the guy in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three and twenty twenty four. I think they're fine.
Speaker 4: They're obviously nowhere close to where there would be if
Speaker 4: they had a top five shortstop in the game, And
Speaker 4: that's what that guy was trending towards becoming, maybe already was.
Speaker 4: So I would say waiting game, especially when it comes
Speaker 4: to the starting rotation, Like I think you just play
Speaker 4: the winning game. You wait to get everybody healthy. You've
Speaker 4: got glass noow on that mini extension where Glass now
Speaker 4: is going to be you know there next year. Shane
Speaker 4: bos will be healthy next year. Hopefully Rasmusten's healthy next year,
Speaker 4: but you might not have McClanahan. I just don't know
Speaker 4: if we're ever going to see the perfect product of
Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Rays. And this is turning into a
Speaker 4: what if team which sucks. Do they have the sustainability
Speaker 4: to compete beyond that? Yes, they do, but if we
Speaker 4: have to look back and say, damn, those teams were stacked,
Speaker 4: but they ran into so many issues, one of which
Speaker 4: a legit prison issue and the other so many injury issues.
Speaker 4: Like it's just a really hard pill to swallow for
Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Rays.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that's again, like that's why you
Speaker 3: hope that for whatever reason this, you know, they can
Speaker 3: kind of try to figure things out. And I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just one of those spots where again they can't
Speaker 3: just spend their way out of it. So it's gonna
Speaker 3: be interesting to see what they do. I will say,
Speaker 3: when you have one of the best players and most
Speaker 3: valuable assets in baseball potentially disappearing off your roster, like
Speaker 3: you don't even get to trade him, right, you don't
Speaker 3: even get to cash that in for more prospects. It's
Speaker 3: just he just vanishes off your roster. That is really
Speaker 3: hard to come back from. So I'm sure they're and
Speaker 3: for many reasons, mostly most importantly that this never happened.
Speaker 3: So no woman's life, young woman's life was negatively affected.
Speaker 3: But then on their side, it's just like, where do
Speaker 3: we go from here if our franchise player has now
Speaker 3: just been wiped off our roster? So a lot to
Speaker 3: figure out in Tampa And uh man, I don't even
Speaker 3: know how the team plays right now. I mean I
Speaker 3: think about a lot of the teammates there like to
Speaker 3: wrap up, just like you've watched your some of your
Speaker 3: main guys go down, which is demoralizing in itself. You
Speaker 3: watch your ace go down, and then you have this
Speaker 3: entire turmoil and this whole situation going on. How do
Speaker 3: they focus on baseball? How do they play baseball right
Speaker 3: now and focus on a you know, a pennant race.
Speaker 3: I feel I feel for a lot of those Tampa
Speaker 3: Bay Rays players.
Speaker 4: I can tell you that dude miserable. I mean, Tampa,
Speaker 4: You've got Tyler Glassnat throwing in San Francisco tonight so
Speaker 4: last night, they're in San fran through this week and
Speaker 4: then where they they're in LA playing the Angels too.
Speaker 4: So I mean, this is a West Coast road trip where,
Speaker 4: like I feel like nobody's mind is on baseball, but
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: It's such a.
Speaker 4: Hard thing to kind of wrap your head around because
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen often, and I don't know if we've
Speaker 4: ever seen it to a player of this magnitude, a
Speaker 4: player of this magnitude, like I guess Trevor Bauer is
Speaker 4: the other example of that, Like guy that is bona
Speaker 4: fide shithead should not throw another inning in Major League baseball.
Speaker 4: You know, Like, I don't know's it's just such a
Speaker 4: hard topic to dive into, and I think that's why
Speaker 4: we didn't want to touch it until we knew for
Speaker 4: sure that this was something that had serious gravity and
Speaker 4: possibly you know, career ending gravity. Yep, Yeah, all right,
Speaker 4: let's talk future, let's talk top one hundred. This is
Speaker 4: there's no way to transition out of that, but like
Speaker 4: we're going to transition to something that's really fun, and
Speaker 4: it is like Christmas morning for a lot of prospect
Speaker 4: heads because again, you do more in depth work on
Speaker 4: these guys than I think anybody else in the industry.
Speaker 4: And it's really fun to get that, you know, up
Speaker 4: close and personal. Look on how you do this. And
Speaker 4: I'm going to kind of walk you through the top
Speaker 4: one hundred and increments of ten and point out a
Speaker 4: couple of guys that jump out.
Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, sounds good to me. And of course the
Speaker 3: link to the article is in the episode description, and yeah,
Speaker 3: check it out. I'm excited to hear what everybody thinks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a shocking slider in the top or
Speaker 4: in the ninety to one hundred range. Kyle Harrison is
Speaker 4: in the nineties left handed pitching prospect for the San
Speaker 4: Francisco Giants, and coming into the year, we were talking
Speaker 4: about Kyle Harrison as the top left handed pitching prospect
Speaker 4: in all of baseball. It was him and Teetaman. Now,
Speaker 4: not only have you made your case that Tietaman is
Speaker 4: well beyond Kyle Harrison, but Kyle Harrison's not even considered
Speaker 4: a top ninety prospect in the game. I would say
Speaker 4: what gives, but I feel like I know what gives.
Speaker 4: He's walking seven and a half guys per nine.
Speaker 3: See, that was just one part of it. If it
Speaker 3: was just the walks. He's probably middle of the pack.
Speaker 3: The thing that really put me over the top here.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm seeing a lot of other lists
Speaker 3: I think so far that they haven't really dropped him yet.
Speaker 3: The stuff is diminished, and I don't know what's up
Speaker 3: with it. The velocity is still kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: roughly there, but this guy's lost several injuries of horizontal
Speaker 3: on his fastball. And that's a guy that it's a
Speaker 3: three quarters release point. He needs that horizontal on his fastball.
Speaker 3: It's part of what makes it really good. His slider,
Speaker 3: his breaking ball is totally different than what it was.
Speaker 3: He's throwing it harder with less movement and it's resulting
Speaker 3: in less with and then his change up, which was
Speaker 3: an asset last year, has been unusable. He's thrown more
Speaker 3: balls than strikes with his change up this year. So
Speaker 3: you have command taking a step back, you have stuff
Speaker 3: taking a step back, and then some little nagging injuries
Speaker 3: and you know, like he's young, he's got time on
Speaker 3: his side, and that's why he's still on the top
Speaker 3: one hundred list, And just about any other pitcher that
Speaker 3: would have this kind of downturn with command issues walking
Speaker 3: seven per nine and diminished stuff, they'd be off the list.
Speaker 3: But that just shows you how talent at Kyle Harrison is.
Speaker 3: But if you're losing you know, movement on all of
Speaker 3: your pitches and losing command of all of them, it's
Speaker 3: kind of hard to to not be incredibly alarmed.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and note DL Hall isn't on this top
Speaker 4: one hundred list, Like, I mean, Kyle Harrison's a lot
Speaker 4: closer to DL Hall than he is Ricky Tiedeman at
Speaker 4: this point, which is pretty brutal to say. And I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people are still holding out a
Speaker 4: lot of hope for Kyle Harrison, understandably, so it feels
Speaker 4: very Cavali esque, where Kid Cavally, you're just you're waiting for,
Speaker 4: you know, things to get back to what you fell
Speaker 4: in love with. I guess Kyle Harrison, like, there's a
Speaker 4: good chance that things could fall back to what you
Speaker 4: fell in love with, but it's going to take some
Speaker 4: serious offseason work very late.
Speaker 2: Ad.
Speaker 4: I know at ninety Dylan Head of the San Diego Padres,
Speaker 4: Dylan Head was end of the first round pick. And
Speaker 4: this was a guy that I really liked, like his
Speaker 4: pre draft, but I had a bunch of bias because
Speaker 4: he's the Chicago Land area guy that I mean can
Speaker 4: absolutely freaking fly. But you were really impressed with the swing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, finally had access to some video. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: hard to get much video on Chicago Land guys if
Speaker 3: you're not out there in person and seeing them. So
Speaker 3: you know, we knew about the tools. You know, he's
Speaker 3: definitely a guy that you know. Of course, when when
Speaker 3: when the Padres take somebody like that in the first
Speaker 3: round two, you kind of turn your head because they
Speaker 3: do such a good job in scouting. But I mean, dude,
Speaker 3: the swing is really impressive. I was expecting him to
Speaker 3: be way more like you know, speed over overfield to
Speaker 3: hit and you know, more of a project swing already
Speaker 3: plays and he's he's been really comfortable in his at bats.
Speaker 3: He's walked more than he struck out. And those are
Speaker 3: popping some some sneaky evs. Right, he's not the biggest
Speaker 3: dude in the world. He's five nine, buck eighty five.
Speaker 3: He's already popping one O three's, one O four's, and
Speaker 3: then we know what he can do, you know with
Speaker 3: those legs. This is a dynamic prospect that can play
Speaker 3: a high level of center field. And if the Bats
Speaker 3: looking like it is right now, this is going to
Speaker 3: be the next kind of you know, big quick riser
Speaker 3: in the Padre system, which we seem to see every
Speaker 3: single year. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and what I read was like really advanced defensively
Speaker 4: already CJ. Abrams had a cup of coffee pretty much everywhere,
Speaker 4: and then he was, you know, fast tracked to the
Speaker 4: big leagues. If Grisham like continues to not work out,
Speaker 4: like Dylan Head could be one of those guys that
Speaker 4: is just fast tracked. And I'm not talking twenty four
Speaker 4: because he was a high school draft d but I
Speaker 4: mean twenty twenty five, you start to have that conversation
Speaker 4: if he flies jumping into the eighties. Now, Argin Namala
Speaker 4: was a guy that slid a teensy bit to Toronto
Speaker 4: in this year's first round, and Namala, I think you
Speaker 4: and I both really enjoyed what convinced you that this
Speaker 4: high school draftde out of South Florida was a top
Speaker 4: one hundred guy when he was picked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean being the youngest guy, or one of
Speaker 3: the youngest guys in the draft. He's seventeen years old,
Speaker 3: and seeing how advanced that swing is. This was one
Speaker 3: where it was like, I can't back it with data
Speaker 3: because you only have so much information on seventeen year
Speaker 3: old high school guys, seeing how advanced the swing is,
Speaker 3: seeing how much projection there is in his frame already
Speaker 3: too in the athleticism. This is me just betting on
Speaker 3: like this is my old school eye tests scout hat
Speaker 3: going on here where you know, normally it's mixing the
Speaker 3: data with the eye test, with you know, all the
Speaker 3: different things that we can put together here to get
Speaker 3: a final answer with them all it was just that
Speaker 3: swing freaking plays and I see projection, Like I think
Speaker 3: this is going to work out. And this is just
Speaker 3: a guy I'm very excited about.
Speaker 4: Who's more blocked Michael Bush, who's in the eighties, or
Speaker 4: Joey Ortiz is a little bit higher in this top
Speaker 4: one hundred list.
Speaker 3: Dude, I think Joey Ortiz is more blocked, just because
Speaker 3: of like they have like three dudes that can play
Speaker 3: shortstop at a high level, and like one of the
Speaker 3: calling cards of Joey Ortiz, even though he's raking with
Speaker 3: the o's is you know, the glove. So I think
Speaker 3: Ortiz is like the most blocked. But Michael Bush kind
Speaker 3: of blocks himself a little bit by not being able
Speaker 3: to play much much defense anywhere besides third base.
Speaker 4: This guy hits. Man, It's incredible what he does with
Speaker 4: a stick.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4: In the seventies. Might as well prime people on a
Speaker 4: slaves pasave because he's going to play a lot for
Speaker 4: a team. It's going to be in the postseason. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a Slavist passave is in the high seventies right now.
Speaker 4: This is a guy that I know u v ideed
Speaker 4: is one of the more underrated prospects in all of
Speaker 4: Major League Baseball. He's kind of that utility guy. He
Speaker 4: can play second, he can play third, he can play short.
Speaker 4: With Taylor Walls dealing with that oblique thing and the
Speaker 4: thing we just talked about with Wander Franco, a Slavist passa, Like,
Speaker 4: what can he do as the shortstop for the Tampa
Speaker 4: Bay Rays for the next six weeks.
Speaker 3: Look, he's not gonna You're not going to replace Wander Franco,
Speaker 3: you know, for however long he's out. But the thing
Speaker 3: is is you can plug someone in there that's not
Speaker 3: going to hurt you, and I think is going to
Speaker 3: do everything that you need to be done, and he
Speaker 3: has a chance to get hot and you know, maybe
Speaker 3: getting a nice little role here. But the reason why
Speaker 3: I love Basabe is it's good defense at short, it's
Speaker 3: great defense at second, it's great defense at third, it's
Speaker 3: above average speed, and he puts bad on ball consistently.
Speaker 3: This guy might never make an All Star Game, but
Speaker 3: he's a top one hundred prospect because I feel so
Speaker 3: confident that he's a big leaguer and probably an above
Speaker 3: average one. His numbers are are not as good as
Speaker 3: I think his ability would indicate, and how he's played
Speaker 3: this year a lot of bad batted ball luck. I
Speaker 3: think he, you know, ran into a little bit of
Speaker 3: a rough stretch and that has really been been swinging
Speaker 3: it well lately. And then for a guy that you
Speaker 3: know doesn't offer a ton of like power in games,
Speaker 3: he hits the ball harder than you think, and I
Speaker 3: think there is a little bit more room for some
Speaker 3: some extra pop, a lot of doubles, a lot of triples,
Speaker 3: sneaks in some homers. I think he's just he's just
Speaker 3: a kind of player that everybody needs. And I talk
Speaker 3: about like John Birdie with the Marlins. I think about that,
Speaker 3: but even like better with the glove, Like that's a
Speaker 3: really good player that always gets overlooked.
Speaker 4: Not as fast though, right because Bertie is like Bertie
Speaker 4: can lead major League based.
Speaker 3: On Bertie's Bertie's faster. I think Basave is a better
Speaker 3: hitter bats of ball wise, Yeah, got.
Speaker 4: You another guy in the seventies, Saddan Rafaela with the
Speaker 4: Red Sox. He's hammering triple A right now. Can the
Speaker 4: Red Sox faithful expect to see a tency bit of
Speaker 4: Saddan Rafaela in September?
Speaker 3: I think so because there's you know, I feel like
Speaker 3: the Red Sox you know, are waiting for Rafaela to
Speaker 3: and this is just all just guessing. Yeah, the reason
Speaker 3: why we haven't seen him yet is like they want
Speaker 3: him to improve his approach. This guy is one of
Speaker 3: the most aggressive hitters in the minor leagues. I think
Speaker 3: it's just gonna have to be one of those things
Speaker 3: that you put up with, Like he's gonna have some
Speaker 3: really frustrating stretches, and he's gonna have some stretches where
Speaker 3: he's the hottest hitter on the planet potentially, Like that's
Speaker 3: the kind of guy you're getting here. You're getting a
Speaker 3: guy that's forty percent Chase right, he's gonna swing way
Speaker 3: too much, but power that defies his frame. I mean,
Speaker 3: the eggs of velocities are not what you see from
Speaker 3: a five to eight you know, right handed hitter, and
Speaker 3: beyond that, elite defender in centerfield, can play impact defense
Speaker 3: at shortstop, can steal bags, and gets into his power
Speaker 3: in games because he hits the ball in the air.
Speaker 3: There's a twenty twenty threat with elite defensive potential, you know,
Speaker 3: at multiple spots. If his arm was stronger, I'd say
Speaker 3: elite defensive shortstop, but he could still be a really
Speaker 3: solid defensive shortstop. That's a really fun player. I just
Speaker 3: I wish he would improve his approach, but yeah, no,
Speaker 3: prospects perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love this stack. In the sixties, here got
Speaker 4: Marco Luciano, big leaguer with the Giants, Christian and Carnassian
Speaker 4: strand big leaguer with the Reds, Luis Baiaz who just
Speaker 4: got off the complex with an Astros. This is the
Speaker 4: beauty of the top one hundred man. But Cees, I
Speaker 4: think people know the low down. He's an amazing hitter
Speaker 4: with cs A top one hundred guy. Coming into the year.
Speaker 4: I don't think so he was just missed.
Speaker 3: He just missed.
Speaker 4: But dude, like, it's so impossible to ignore what this
Speaker 4: guy does offensively, and and the bat, the bat kind
Speaker 4: of makes this list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it. I mean, he ain't giving you
Speaker 3: a much more uh much more value other than that.
Speaker 3: But you know, when you see what he did this
Speaker 3: year in triple A, he hit My big concern was
Speaker 3: how he'd hit velocity. He was getting tied up with
Speaker 3: hard stuff inside. Really improved in that regard, and at
Speaker 3: that point, I'm like, all right, and then he starts
Speaker 3: cutting down on the chase. That was another guy that
Speaker 3: people kept saying, why haven't we seen Cees yet?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 3: Because he's chasing forty percent of pitches, he's going to
Speaker 3: get exposed to the big leagues. He cut that down
Speaker 3: progressively in triple A and then we saw him called
Speaker 3: up to the big leagues and he's starting to look
Speaker 3: pretty comfortable up there. And it's special power.
Speaker 4: Luciano. Is he the long term answer at shortstoff for
Speaker 4: the Giants?
Speaker 3: Ain't that the question? Man? He was one of the
Speaker 3: hardest guys to rank for me, because there's the prospect
Speaker 3: fatigue side of it, where it's like, oh, is he
Speaker 3: ever going to figure this out?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Maybe not, but he's also what just turned twenty two. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so there's like this, he's missed time with injury. I
Speaker 3: will say this, his defense has improved a ton, his
Speaker 3: approach has improved. He's going to strike out like he's
Speaker 3: just gonna come with it. He's gonna strike out. But
Speaker 3: if he can walk run to homers and play good defense,
Speaker 3: I think he is the answer at shortstop until he fails,
Speaker 3: and I think it's kind of a coin flip if
Speaker 3: he's going to be able to really hold it down.
Speaker 3: But if he does, he's gonna be damn good.
Speaker 4: You've got three of the farthest proximity guys away from
Speaker 4: the big leagues on this list in the sixties in
Speaker 4: Luis Bayas with the Astros, In Samuel Bissio with the Orioles.
Speaker 4: Although Bisio is amazing, he might just climb like a
Speaker 4: rocket ship. Who knows he is a catcher though, And
Speaker 4: Luis Lara with the Milwaukee Brewers. If you had to
Speaker 4: collect one guy in the card sphere out of Luis
Speaker 4: Baie's Luis Lara, Samuel Bissaio, where are you going?
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't so. I don't like catchers when I'm
Speaker 3: collecting cards for the most part, unless it was Andy
Speaker 3: Rodriguez that was the one card I collected. Basiah like
Speaker 3: might be a candidate to move off of catcher. The
Speaker 3: reason why he's so highly regarded, though, is he has
Speaker 3: a shot to stick there, huge power from the left side,
Speaker 3: but he's pretty maxed out physically. There's a little bit
Speaker 3: more whiff, you know than maybe then you'd expect I'd collect.
Speaker 3: I'd collect baias. I think because I've been floored by
Speaker 3: this guy. I mean, he was striking out at the
Speaker 3: DSL last year. Dominican Summer League goes to the Complex
Speaker 3: to start this season, looks like a different hitter, making
Speaker 3: way more contact, not striking out, and then gets the
Speaker 3: bump up to low A already as a nineteen year old,
Speaker 3: and he is putting up great numbers there. He's already
Speaker 3: flashing plus exsit velocities above average you know, bats of
Speaker 3: ball skills. And this was one of the guys that
Speaker 3: the the Astros paid up for. He got over a
Speaker 3: million bucks. I think this guy's going to be really
Speaker 3: damn good and he's going to be on a lot
Speaker 3: of top one hundred lists. I think very soon you
Speaker 3: have cards available.
Speaker 4: Have you checked in on that?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think so.
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Speaker 4: Rhett Louder, who was taken to the top ten by
Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Reds. He was the number two college pitcher
Speaker 4: off the board. Louder checks in in the high fifties,
Speaker 4: just ahead or just behind Robbie Snelling, who was a
Speaker 4: high school draftee by the Padres last year. These are
Speaker 4: two very intriguing arms. I think Snelling is a power pitcher,
Speaker 4: was a you know, power five linebacker prospect in football
Speaker 4: or linebacker recruit, I guess prospector all that. Yeah, linebacker recruit.
Speaker 4: Snelling is power. Louder, there's a little bit more power
Speaker 4: in there than you would expect. But I mean, this
Speaker 4: guy has limbs whipping all over the place. Those two
Speaker 4: there's such different arms, yet they stack here because they
Speaker 4: both look like possible future front of the rotation.
Speaker 3: Guys when they both pound the zone with three pitches.
Speaker 3: You know, and I think that's the most underte thing
Speaker 3: about Robbie Snelling is high school left You know, you're
Speaker 3: kind of he's a powerful dude because he was, you know,
Speaker 3: a linebacker with offers from Bama, Texas name name of
Speaker 3: power five school. It was a four star. He was
Speaker 3: a four star linebacker. I mean, that's crazy. But the
Speaker 3: thing with with the athleticism that you see with somebody
Speaker 3: like Robbie Snelling is he repeats his delivery so well
Speaker 3: already for a high school left he's a candidate to
Speaker 3: probably see a tick up and stuff. It's just so
Speaker 3: impressed if his feel for a fastball, a curveball that
Speaker 3: he manipulates already, which that was a really fun watch
Speaker 3: for me, watching the way that he would manipulate the
Speaker 3: curveball to make it almost two different pitches at times,
Speaker 3: and then this change up that's you know, behind the curveball,
Speaker 3: but already pretty advanced for a high school arm. I
Speaker 3: thought that was something that just kind of really put
Speaker 3: him put him forward for me. And then it's low
Speaker 3: effort with that athleticism. Louder. I mean, dude, just look
Speaker 3: at the college numbers. But if you look at the
Speaker 3: college data, people were talking about, oh, the fastball quality,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, he's got a four seamer and a sinker.
Speaker 3: If you are concerned about a guy's fastball quality, if
Speaker 3: he has two different ways that he can throw that
Speaker 3: fastball buzz you up at the top at ninety four
Speaker 3: ninety five. It's not like he throws eighty ninety four
Speaker 3: to ninety five. And then he also you know, if
Speaker 3: it's not getting that whiff, if it's not jumping the
Speaker 3: way that you want it to that day, you've got
Speaker 3: that sinker as well that can get your ground balls
Speaker 3: at the bottom of the zone, which he got a
Speaker 3: lot of ground balls there. And then this is a
Speaker 3: dude that landed his slider for a strike seventy plus
Speaker 3: percent of the time, landed his change up for as
Speaker 3: strike almost seventy percent of the time. He can mix
Speaker 3: in any of his pitches whenever he wants, whatever he wants,
Speaker 3: and that's going to make him pretty much a high
Speaker 3: probability mid rotation arm if he stays healthy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so smelling and louder. They're not safe, like no
Speaker 4: pitching prospect is safe, but they are reliable. Yeah, relatively,
Speaker 4: they are reliable. Jacob Mizerowski is the exact opposite of that,
Speaker 4: the star of the futures game, the right handed pitching
Speaker 4: prospect with the Milwaukee Brewers. Mizerowski is not somebody you
Speaker 4: look at and say, yeah, definitely safe. But he is
Speaker 4: somebody you look at and say, if this guy throws strikes,
Speaker 4: this is no hitter type shit. Every time he steps
Speaker 4: on the hill. Like, what kind of arsenal are we
Speaker 4: looking at? With Misowski?
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to answer that question. Dude,
Speaker 3: a one of a kind type arsenal, I guess would
Speaker 3: be the answer. I don't have a descripture for it
Speaker 3: because it's it's so absurd. You talk about limbs flying everywhere.
Speaker 3: I mean, this dude's slender man out there. And then
Speaker 3: you know you got to coming in on you at
Speaker 3: ninety eight, ninety nine, one hundred. He's touched one oh two.
Speaker 3: And then this this cutter that he throws in ninety
Speaker 3: to ninety three. Sometimes it backs up at ninety three,
Speaker 3: sometimes it cuts to his glove side. Either way it's
Speaker 3: a nightmare. And then he's got that sweeper in the
Speaker 3: mid eighties that it's just devastating. It's one of the
Speaker 3: more ridiculous pitch mixes we've seen from a prospect in
Speaker 3: a while. The challenge is throwing strikes. He's across his
Speaker 3: entire arsenal lower than a sixty percent strike rate when
Speaker 3: he's not going right. You know, guys can hunt fastball,
Speaker 3: and even if you throw one hundred man when it's
Speaker 3: at the bottom of the zoning, it'll get hit hard
Speaker 3: from time to time. So that that's his issue. I
Speaker 3: think his last outing just like puts it in perspective perfectly.
Speaker 3: Three and two thirds against the Tennessee Smoke. He's Cubs
Speaker 3: double a affiliate, two earned runs, three hits, two earned runs,
Speaker 3: four walks, three hit by pitch nine k's. It's just
Speaker 3: gonna be one of those roller coasters you got to ride.
Speaker 3: And I think he would be higher on the list
Speaker 3: if there wasn't such high reliever risk. Yeah, And you
Speaker 3: know that's just there's just too much. And I'm thinking about,
Speaker 3: like what pitching prospects am I am I taking over
Speaker 3: this guy. There's a few because I I at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, I don't want to be worried
Speaker 3: if if the guy that I picked is going to
Speaker 3: stick in the rotation, and there's guys that I have
Speaker 3: a lot of confidence will stick in the rotation ahead
Speaker 3: of him. But just on sheer stuff, this is still
Speaker 3: one of the best right handed pitching prospects game.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Two of the righty pitching prospects that you would
Speaker 4: take over him are forty six and forty seven in
Speaker 4: this through in the mid forties before that, just inside
Speaker 4: the top fifties. Luisan Hillicunya. Now with the Mets, this
Speaker 4: is like a real quick question and I don't need
Speaker 4: you know, much expansion on this answer. With how bad
Speaker 4: the Mets look right now, and with how good Akunya
Speaker 4: has been so far in the minor leagues, how soon
Speaker 4: can we see Luis on Hilicunya in a Mets uniform.
Speaker 3: Well, he's hitting one sixty three since being traded to
Speaker 3: the Mets, so he's he's actually cooked.
Speaker 4: He is cooked. Is he going to go to Saint Lucy?
Speaker 4: Is that help? Is?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, No, It's interesting because he's such a good defender,
Speaker 3: and I think the defense at short is a big
Speaker 3: calling card there. Of course that doesn't matter, and when
Speaker 3: you have the defender at short in Francisco Lindor, he's
Speaker 3: you know, would be one of the best defensive second
Speaker 3: basement I think in baseball, with with how good he
Speaker 3: is with the gloves. So I guess it's to pay
Speaker 3: on where the Mets feel like they're at. And in
Speaker 3: terms of the rest of the club, but just in
Speaker 3: a vacuum of when I think he could be ready.
Speaker 3: I think end of next season. I think end of
Speaker 3: next season is very possible. So we'll probably start next
Speaker 3: year at Triple and starting there, you know, we'll see
Speaker 3: how he does. And he's ahead a schedule, he's young.
Speaker 3: I think if he performs well on Triple A, he
Speaker 3: could be up there by the end of next year.
Speaker 3: But it'd be funny to see him leap frog Ronnie Mauricio,
Speaker 3: who's just been in Triple forever. They're just never going
Speaker 3: to bring him up.
Speaker 4: I guess he's been so good in Triple too, Like
Speaker 4: I don't know why he's not up yet, but I
Speaker 4: guess that's a conversation for another episode. Although Mauricio is still,
Speaker 4: you know, a top one hundred prospect. I mean, Mauricio
Speaker 4: has been really good to this point.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, his ebbs and flows, but you look
Speaker 3: at the end of the year and it's a good
Speaker 3: stat line usually for sure.
Speaker 4: All right, mid forties, guys, you've got aj Smith shawfer
Speaker 4: in Tink hence stacked, and you gave the edge to
Speaker 4: Tink Hence we had a comsation about Smith Schaffer, and
Speaker 4: it was, you know, how much do you want to
Speaker 4: ding him for, you know, getting up there, not sticking
Speaker 4: there and struggling and triple when this guy was fast
Speaker 4: tracked out the ass when tin kentce with the Cardinals
Speaker 4: is you know, I guess kind of been baby before
Speaker 4: he got to double and now like he's just starting
Speaker 4: to get stretched out to five innings. Does he have
Speaker 4: a six in start under his belt yet?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Not that I know of.
Speaker 4: I don't think he has one.
Speaker 3: I have an alarm set. All couldn't notify me of
Speaker 3: that one. But I do have an alarm set from
Speaker 3: when he goes six plus, and I don't think I've
Speaker 3: gotten that. I don't think I've gotten that alert yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I guess are you worried about the I
Speaker 4: don't know lack of information about tink Kents when he
Speaker 4: gets tired. I'm not sure if he's gotten tired in
Speaker 4: a start.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. We will pull back the curtain here, Jack.
Speaker 3: We're recording this at four pm on August fourteenth. The
Speaker 3: lists will be live as people are listening to this
Speaker 3: at you know whatever, eight am on August fifteenth. That's
Speaker 3: one of those that I was gonna sit down on
Speaker 3: the couch tonight and just kind of lament over back
Speaker 3: and forth. So here we are, and I guess this
Speaker 3: will be the Easter Egg surprise. Which way do we
Speaker 3: go here? Hence was somebody that I saw more upside
Speaker 3: with Arsenal wise, but to your point, like we've seen
Speaker 3: kind of the stuff being consistent, he went, he went
Speaker 3: eighty pitches. He's finally going eighty pitches, by the way,
Speaker 3: he's never done that. Now over the last few starts
Speaker 3: he's finally been allowed to go seventy five eighty pitches.
Speaker 3: And we saw him eighty pitches sitting ninety six, touching
Speaker 3: ninety seven ninety eight, and then the next start it's
Speaker 3: ninety four ninety five, and then he's back up to
Speaker 3: ninety six ninety seve ninety eight. Then he's back kind
Speaker 3: of down to ninety four ninety five. So I do
Speaker 3: have some concerns there. And the craziest part is Smith
Speaker 3: Chober is actually younger, So I think by the time
Speaker 3: we actually finalize it, I might put we might put
Speaker 3: smith Chavra ahead of Hens.
Speaker 4: But smith Shaver has been underwhelming in Triple A and
Speaker 4: the big leagues and hence while he's dealing with it
Speaker 4: at a lower level and he's far more protected. He
Speaker 4: has never been underwhelming.
Speaker 3: Yes, so it's like, do you pit that against him?
Speaker 3: You know, if we kept Smith's Shaver, if the Braves
Speaker 3: keep Smith's shav and high aim, then double A and
Speaker 3: he's putting up video game numbers, which he probably would have. Yeah,
Speaker 3: then where are we considering him? And that was a
Speaker 3: really fun conversation you and I had on the call up.
Speaker 3: And I think that psychology is kind of part of
Speaker 3: the reason why we had him behind hence, you know,
Speaker 3: to begin with. But the more I think about it,
Speaker 3: the more we talk about it. Also doesn't help the Hens.
Speaker 3: His last outing, he got schal whacked, but try not
Speaker 3: to look at it out in the outing like that.
Speaker 3: But he's only made a handful in Double A, and
Speaker 3: you know, not all of them have been very good.
Speaker 3: I think you got to give the edge to Smith
Speaker 3: Shaver for a few reasons, and he'll probably end up
Speaker 3: being ahead of Hens by the time we hit publish.
Speaker 4: Got you three big leaguers here stacked Emmitt Shean of
Speaker 4: the Dodgers, Sell Freelick of the Brewers, towards Westburg in
Speaker 4: the Baltimore Orioles Westburg. I think we are in the
Speaker 4: wait in C mode because Westburg is another guy that
Speaker 4: can play a good middle infield that is blocking Joey Ortiz,
Speaker 4: and Ortiz is right here in that forty to sixty
Speaker 4: range as well. Shean has really really struggled with the
Speaker 4: Dodgers so far. Why is Emmitt Sheen still a top
Speaker 4: forty prospect for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not that worried about it. Pitching's hard, man,
Speaker 3: and adjusting to the big league. The big leagues is really, really,
Speaker 3: really hard. And I was looking at some of the
Speaker 3: starts where he struggled at the big league level, and
Speaker 3: then you know when he was successful in Double A.
Speaker 3: And remember there's a guy that went straight from Double
Speaker 3: to the big leagues. We see that more and more
Speaker 3: because they don't really want to stick guys in the
Speaker 3: PCL as much. She Han checks a lot of the
Speaker 3: boxes that I love in my favorite pitching prospects. Number
Speaker 3: one being that low vertical release point that you know
Speaker 3: we talked about with Price Miller Wu He's got that too.
Speaker 3: For a six foot five guy to have the vertical
Speaker 3: release point as low as he has it is really impressive.
Speaker 3: The number one thing that stood out to me was
Speaker 3: he's just not getting away with what he got away
Speaker 3: with in the minor leagues, which was in double A.
Speaker 3: I fall behind in the count. It's two to zero.
Speaker 3: Now I go to the fastball that is a plus
Speaker 3: plus pitch, and I blow it by you, and I
Speaker 3: even the count up. And then I go to one
Speaker 3: of my changeup or my cutters slider. In the big leagues,
Speaker 3: I fall behind. Now I go to my fastball, and
Speaker 3: even though it's a really damn good one, they get
Speaker 3: on top of it and they crush it. And that's
Speaker 3: kind of been where he's at. I've seen the trend
Speaker 3: of him commanding the secondaries a little bit better. I
Speaker 3: think that's pretty much all he needs is. It's not bad.
Speaker 3: It's not like it's inconsistent enough where I'm incredibly concerned.
Speaker 3: It's just not big league consistently good yet. So I
Speaker 3: think it's really just about the secondary command. But I
Speaker 3: look at the low vertical release point, the carry on
Speaker 3: the fastball at ninety six to ninety seven, and then
Speaker 3: the fact that he has better secondaries than Bryce Miller.
Speaker 3: He has better secondaries than Brian Will. I think his
Speaker 3: secondaries have more potential than Joe Ryan, and so you
Speaker 3: look at those, you look at that again. The command
Speaker 3: is the big part, though, if you're a fastball heavy guy.
Speaker 3: He threw his fastball sixty five percent of the time.
Speaker 3: All those guys I just mentioned throw their fastball sixty
Speaker 3: percent of the time. The difference is they spot their fastball.
Speaker 3: She Hen is not spotting it just yet. But she
Speaker 3: Han has better secondaries. So either he needs to see
Speaker 3: a jump in the command of the fastball or improve
Speaker 3: his feel for his secondaries. I like that he has
Speaker 3: two different paths here, both of which I think are
Speaker 3: very possible. And if he does both, he could end
Speaker 3: up being a guy that we look back on and
Speaker 3: say he was actually one of the best pitching prospects period.
Speaker 3: So I'm a believer in she Han, and I think
Speaker 3: he's going to figure it out.
Speaker 4: If you were to buy stock in one Dodger arm
Speaker 4: moving forward, and I'll give you Shean, I'll give you
Speaker 4: Bobby Miller, I'll give you Gavin Stone, who is on
Speaker 4: this top one hundred list, and I'll give you everybody else,
Speaker 4: frosso her Knack, whatever you want to do. Yeah, where
Speaker 4: are you putting your chips?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Miller, Miller first, because that guy's just figured it out.
Speaker 3: Sheehan not as far behind as people would think. And
Speaker 3: then Stone's kind of like another step below. But I
Speaker 3: also like what I've seen from Stone. This's another guy
Speaker 3: that Okay, I dominated dudes with my change up and
Speaker 3: was able to just kind of ride that to success
Speaker 3: big leaguers. Starts spitting on that a little bit. I
Speaker 3: need another pitch. He adjusted the slider. He's throwing a
Speaker 3: hard cutter now at eighty nine ninety and he's had
Speaker 3: a lot of successive late now in Triple A, and
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna come back and make an impact
Speaker 3: that I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right. MLB Pipeline has this guy at eleven,
Speaker 4: Baseball America has this guy at sixteen. You have this
Speaker 4: guy in the mid thirties. Where is your concern with
Speaker 4: Red Sox shortstop Marcelo Meyer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's there's a few things. There's a few things.
Speaker 3: I like Marcello Meyer a lot. Will I will say
Speaker 3: that I think he has a chance to be a
Speaker 3: very good baseball player. I also think there's a lot
Speaker 3: of draft bias. Always is a guy that's drafted high.
Speaker 3: That looks the part. We tend to shove him up lists.
Speaker 3: Meyer's put up good numbers at the lower levels, but
Speaker 3: I see some some definite issues with the with the swing.
Speaker 3: He is a really pronounced barrel tip, and you'll see
Speaker 3: when he load it's like it is a really and
Speaker 3: it's a hand pump. So it's like down, up, down,
Speaker 3: and he's gotta he's got to get it back down
Speaker 3: to get flat and enter the you know, the hitting
Speaker 3: zone doesn't and this allowed to I think that's a
Speaker 3: Mark Biento's thing too, where he's he used to and
Speaker 3: then he really quieted it down. Meyer will tip the
Speaker 3: barrel to the point where it's like pointing straight up
Speaker 3: in the sky. Yeah. So and when you're down, up, down,
Speaker 3: you know, it's hard to get back to the right spot.
Speaker 3: And he's just been getting blown up and it throws
Speaker 3: off your timing. And you know, when you start getting
Speaker 3: hard stuff in on you, then you start cheating earlier.
Speaker 3: When you start cheating earlier, then you start making decisions earlier.
Speaker 3: When you make decisions earlier, the decisions tend to be wrong.
Speaker 3: So when you look at Marcella Meyer's last thirty games,
Speaker 3: in double A, he's sitting one seventy one against four
Speaker 3: seam fastballs, and how is that kind of trickled down
Speaker 3: to everything else? Chase rates jumped up to thirty six
Speaker 3: percent because he doesn't trust his ability to turn around
Speaker 3: velo and then now you're you're taking bad swings of
Speaker 3: breaking balls and you're just caught in between. So I
Speaker 3: see a guy right now where like it's just gonna
Speaker 3: be I think it's just gonna be a tough finish
Speaker 3: to the year in double A because it's just not
Speaker 3: one of those things that you're gonna be able to
Speaker 3: change overnight. And then he's gonna have to go to
Speaker 3: the drawing board a little bit, I think in the
Speaker 3: offseason and make some adjustments. The good news is he
Speaker 3: has long levers, which I think is part of the
Speaker 3: problem too of being quick to the ball. His long levers,
Speaker 3: he generates easy power. The swing is very smooth when
Speaker 3: it finally does get going through the zone, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot to like. I mean, it's all fields leverage
Speaker 3: that he's able to create. But right now he's just
Speaker 3: he's struggling to get to velocity and he's catching himself
Speaker 3: in between, and you know, that's just too much risk
Speaker 3: for me right now to have him as high as
Speaker 3: some of the other guys that we're talking. But I
Speaker 3: think if you look at the players that they have
Speaker 3: him ranked ahead of you mentioned the other two lists,
Speaker 3: I I feel like they almost if you passed them
Speaker 3: on the spot, Hey, would you take Meyer over this guy,
Speaker 3: this guy, this guy, and this guy that they have
Speaker 3: ranked behind behind them. I don't know if they'd say yes.
Speaker 3: I think it's almost like this you have to throw
Speaker 3: Marcelo Meyer in the top twenty kind of thing because
Speaker 3: he's a name, and he was a top pick and
Speaker 3: he's in a you know, major organization.
Speaker 4: I hope people don't hate they like how much we're
Speaker 4: bouncing around right now. But that's what the top one
Speaker 4: hundred list is, man, Like we're going big leaguer to
Speaker 4: complex guy to recently drafted guy to you know, top
Speaker 4: ten pick that he is like underwhelming by some standards,
Speaker 4: but you know, like it's this is the beauty of
Speaker 4: the top one hundred, and this is the beauty of
Speaker 4: the best prospects in baseball. Like you just get every
Speaker 4: type of flavor when you go.
Speaker 3: To the iceboat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is a blast for us, give me
Speaker 4: the elevator pitch on Owen Casey, the Cubs outfield prospect
Speaker 4: that is number thirty in all of baseball. You are
Speaker 4: the high man on Casey, and I guarantee that.
Speaker 3: Oh, we have been for a minute. We have been
Speaker 3: for a minute of just baseball. I think we had
Speaker 3: him on top one hundred list before anybody else did,
Speaker 3: and then we had him higher on top one hundred list,
Speaker 3: and I think he's still not even on a lot
Speaker 3: of top one hundred lists. But Casey, man, you look
Speaker 3: at the exit velosoitise. People talk about the whiff, there's
Speaker 3: whift there for sure. I mean, he's six foot five,
Speaker 3: left handed hitting, power hitter who was in the Southern League,
Speaker 3: which is that experimental pre tact baseball league that he
Speaker 3: had to deal with as one of the younger players
Speaker 3: his age twenty season in that level and still is
Speaker 3: leading the league in home runs and just pulverizing baseballs
Speaker 3: if you look. Since they stopped using those pre tact baseballs,
Speaker 3: Owen casey strikeout rate has dropped twenty five percent and
Speaker 3: his walk rates up to fourteen percent. The big selling
Speaker 3: point for him is the fact that he's produced at
Speaker 3: every level, despite being one of the younger players at
Speaker 3: that level, and the power is some of the best
Speaker 3: in the minor leagues. I don't think people realize that
Speaker 3: his average exit velocity is on I think would be
Speaker 3: tied with Raphael Devers for the fourteenth best in Major
Speaker 3: League Baseball if I'm not mistaken, And his ninetieth percentilex
Speaker 3: of velocity of one hundred and ten miles an hour
Speaker 3: would also be among the ten best in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3: And this is six or four kid who still has
Speaker 3: plenty of room to maybe even add even more muscle
Speaker 3: cannon from the corner outfield, He's cut down the chase.
Speaker 3: If he strikes out twenty five to thirty percent of
Speaker 3: the time, I don't know if I care, because he
Speaker 3: can actually hit forty home runs, and I don't know
Speaker 3: how many guys on this list can actually hit forty
Speaker 3: home runs, but he's one of them.
Speaker 4: No, I'd say him, would who else forty?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Might be him?
Speaker 3: And would yeah, like maybe maybe Wyatt Langford?
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe yeah, Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Tomy Narrow if he lifts the ball more, but like
Speaker 3: that's not really his game.
Speaker 4: One more guy that I want to talk to. I
Speaker 4: want to, you know, kind of get your pitch on
Speaker 4: before I get one sentence on each of the top
Speaker 4: ten prospects in baseball one sentence, it's gonna be give
Speaker 4: me your ten second pitch on each of these guys.
Speaker 4: Who is Roman Anthony or the Boston Red Sox and
Speaker 4: why is her top twenty five prospect in baseball?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Roman Anthony's fun man, and it's cool to see
Speaker 3: him kind of overtake the top prospect spot in the
Speaker 3: Red Sox system. Marjorie Stoneman Douglas draft pick so same
Speaker 3: place as Kobe Mayo, same place as Jesus Wizardo, same
Speaker 3: place as Anthony Rizzo and others. That's not why he's
Speaker 3: ranked high, but it is also a reason why he
Speaker 3: was able to hit the ground running so well in
Speaker 3: professional baseball. This guy's got staying power in center field.
Speaker 3: He's a left handed hitter with plus power potential, and
Speaker 3: I think he can develop into an average or better hitter.
Speaker 3: We're seeing him put up big numbers in High A.
Speaker 3: And what I love from the video that I've seen,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all fields. They've got that Green Monster
Speaker 3: replica in Greenville and he is just wearing it out, man.
Speaker 3: I think he's already hit six or seven home runs
Speaker 3: in his twenty games there the other way, and it's
Speaker 3: just something I know he's gonna be able to do
Speaker 3: at the big league level. He's just gonna slap it
Speaker 3: the other way and sneak it over the monster sometimes
Speaker 3: or crush it over the monster. The pollside power is immense.
Speaker 3: He's an above average runner, the approach is fantastic. He
Speaker 3: chases less than twenty percent of the time. So for me,
Speaker 3: I see monster offensive potential. He's still nineteen years old,
Speaker 3: he's putting up big numbers in High A already. He
Speaker 3: could be a really special talent, and with the chance
Speaker 3: to stick in center field, you can make a case
Speaker 3: that he's kind of one of the next candidates to
Speaker 3: be one of the you know, the next wave of
Speaker 3: top five six prospects in baseball when we get you know,
Speaker 3: the wave ahead of him graduating. Yeah, I was checking here.
Speaker 4: I feel like each ballpark in the Red Sox organization
Speaker 4: has some form of like a green Monster. I know
Speaker 4: they have it a Jet Blue, which is where their
Speaker 4: Low A team plays. They've got it in High A
Speaker 4: in Greenville. I think in Double A they do have one.
Speaker 4: They've got that tall wall in left in Portland.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in Portland. Salem doesn't have it.
Speaker 4: Though Salem doesn't have it, you're right, Oh, I guess
Speaker 4: they're Lowa isn't at the complex. Good point. And then
Speaker 4: the Worcester wall. I think it's in right field. I
Speaker 4: think there's a tall wall in right instead of left.
Speaker 4: So you need some sort of gimmick and they have it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, one sentence on each of the top ten guys.
Speaker 4: I know that's really hard, but like we're gonna do it. Man,
Speaker 4: We're up against the hour and we're gonna try it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: The Rockies have a top ten prospect in baseball in
Speaker 4: aut Al Amador. Give me the load down on Amador.
Speaker 3: Best bats of ball in the minor league.
Speaker 4: Switch hitter, cool Pete Crow Armstrong in the Chicago Cubs
Speaker 4: is the number nine prospect in baseball.
Speaker 3: Best defensive outfielder in the minor leagues. Michael Harris, starter.
Speaker 4: Kit, Holy superlatives we got going on. James Wood of
Speaker 4: the Washington Nationals is number eight. What's the word, six.
Speaker 3: Foot seven center fielder who can hit thirty five forty pumps?
Speaker 4: Okay, number seven Jackson Merrill, shortstop of the San Diego Padres.
Speaker 4: This guy has climbed a double A in the blink
Speaker 4: of an eye.
Speaker 3: Five tool potential with a field to hit that you
Speaker 3: don't see from a six foot three kid.
Speaker 4: Really, let's hang on that five tool like you think
Speaker 4: he's fast enough for that.
Speaker 3: I think people really sleep on the speed. I think
Speaker 3: they do. Like he can he can run even if
Speaker 3: he saw us down a little bit. I still think
Speaker 3: that there's a lot of a lot of simply like
Speaker 3: close enough call four and a half tools left handed
Speaker 3: hitting short stop, I'll take it.
Speaker 4: Got you? Number six, Livy Dunn's boyfriend, right handed pitcher
Speaker 4: for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Speaker 3: Is that confirmed? I think so?
Speaker 4: Did the New York Post confirm it?
Speaker 3: Hey Jesus Christ, good for him? I mean upper nineties
Speaker 3: where you want it, wipe out slider. This guy won't
Speaker 3: be in the minors long.
Speaker 4: His name is Paul Skeins. By the way, Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: they're really good at LSU. But he's also Livy Dunn's boyfriend.
Speaker 4: Number five, Livy Dunn's boyfriend's college teammate, is with the
Speaker 4: Washington Nationals now Dylan Cruz.
Speaker 3: I mean elite approach, good field, to hit above average.
Speaker 3: It's just everything is above average or better.
Speaker 4: These guys were constantly stacked until right now Marcelo Meyers
Speaker 4: at thirty four. Jordan Lawler, shortstop of the Arizona Diamondbacks
Speaker 4: is at four. What separated him?
Speaker 3: How happy? Are you?
Speaker 4: Very? Very very?
Speaker 3: That is a common Jack mcmowan w He's always liked
Speaker 3: Hour more than Meyer, and I out of the gate
Speaker 3: liked Meyer more. But to stick to the one tendance thing.
Speaker 3: Freak athlete, unbelievably advanced field, to hit for what I
Speaker 3: thought he would be powers developing good Okay.
Speaker 4: Jack Centorio, outfielder with the Milwaukee Brewers, let me just
Speaker 4: walk you through, Like last thirty days, I think he's
Speaker 4: hitting three eighty and has almost as many extra base
Speaker 4: hits as he does strikeouts. As a nineteen year old
Speaker 4: in Double A, he was dealing with that tack baseball,
Speaker 4: and now he is on.
Speaker 3: Fire, unteachable bat speed, framed, defying power flies on the bases.
Speaker 3: It's just special talent. Okay.
Speaker 4: The Rays have a guy that has pushed his ETA
Speaker 4: maybe three years this year in Junior Caminero, who's a
Speaker 4: third baseman in the Rays.
Speaker 3: System can fuck the one and sentencing for set.
Speaker 4: That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 3: He hit three home runs yesterday or the day before,
Speaker 3: and the third home run went four hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: two feet. It was a doubleheader where he went five
Speaker 3: for eight with three homers and seven RBI and a
Speaker 3: four hundred and seventy two foot home run. So just
Speaker 3: start with that. Yeah, I would say, O leite exit velocities,
Speaker 3: a sneaky good feel to hit. And I don't even
Speaker 3: think he's done developing.
Speaker 4: Did he go off the top one hundred to two.
Speaker 3: No, we had him. We had him at ninety eighty
Speaker 3: eight ish and we were like the high guys on
Speaker 3: him going into the year preseason eighty eight ninety range.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you if Cam and Narrow before we get
Speaker 4: to number one, Junior Camy Narrow. Baseball Reference does a
Speaker 4: great job kind of like compressing everybody.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, did My dying wish will be to
Speaker 3: have just baseball in there as well, where they show
Speaker 3: everybody's you know, prospectus number fifty six, Baseball America number
Speaker 3: seventy two for each player, Like my dying wish will
Speaker 3: be just baseball number two.
Speaker 4: I don't think that has to be your dying wish.
Speaker 4: We'll sends to me and let's see if we can
Speaker 4: get it time.
Speaker 3: I told you, bro, this shit is all I have.
Speaker 4: Okay for now, you've girlfriend flexed like several times in
Speaker 4: the last month, so hey, who's several times? Several times?
Speaker 4: The only other outlet to have him in the top
Speaker 4: one hundred was Baseball Perspectives. They had him at ninety
Speaker 4: nine heading into this yeah, pipeline over the high top
Speaker 4: one hundred. Baseball America did not have him the top
Speaker 4: one hundred. We were the high guys on Junior Camin Arrowland.
Speaker 4: Now he's the number two prospect in all of baseball
Speaker 4: and number one. Jackson Holiday, the short stop with the
Speaker 4: Baltimore Orioles, the consensus top prospect in baseball.
Speaker 3: This dude, did you see the video of his brother?
Speaker 3: Now too, there's another one.
Speaker 4: Ye who looks exactly the same, Like, come on, man,
Speaker 4: he's a twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, Matt Holliday. Each shocker knows how to
Speaker 3: teach his kids how to play baseball. But I think
Speaker 3: Matt Holliday might be like one of those really level headed,
Speaker 3: healthy dads because the way that they play the game too.
Speaker 3: Specifically Jackson, you can I just I'm purely guessing, but
Speaker 3: they don't play the game like they had, like that
Speaker 3: helicopter drill sergeant former Big leaguer dad over them like.
Speaker 3: It's a very laid back. And you see Matt Holliday,
Speaker 3: he just seems like such a laid back guy. I
Speaker 3: saw him. I forget what game we were at, but
Speaker 3: I saw him out there too, and he just watching
Speaker 3: Jackson just seem super laid back and chill. But anyways,
Speaker 3: his ability to just flat out hit is remarkable. At
Speaker 3: nineteen years old, to jump straight out of high school
Speaker 3: and not only perform, but perform against low A HIA
Speaker 3: and now double A pitching. He's not even done. He's
Speaker 3: not even close to what he can be as a
Speaker 3: baseball player. It's not even close. He has so much
Speaker 3: more power to tap into his lower half. He pulls
Speaker 3: off the ball a little bit still, he leaks out
Speaker 3: with his front hip, but his hands are so damn
Speaker 3: good that when he leaks out he will still shoot
Speaker 3: it the other way for a hit, or pull it,
Speaker 3: you know, through through the right side for a base hit.
Speaker 3: Like this guy's swing is not even a finished product
Speaker 3: and he's hitting what is it three eighty this year now,
Speaker 3: like three forty two now, I think across every level, Yeah,
Speaker 3: three eighty in double. There's been some batted ball luck
Speaker 3: in double. I don't care. Like it's just a ridiculous
Speaker 3: feel to hit and a ridiculously good approach to be
Speaker 3: doing what he's doing and only chasing nineteen percent of
Speaker 3: the time. And you know, since he's gone a double,
Speaker 3: I think the zone contacts at like eighty eight percent,
Speaker 3: which is insane. When he starts tapping into above average
Speaker 3: power because right now it's really been closer to average power.
Speaker 3: This guy is gonna be one of the I think
Speaker 3: it's upside MVP candidate. Really it's it's think Gunner Henderson
Speaker 3: type but maybe a little bit less power and more hit.
Speaker 4: That's scary as hell, Like, sure, man, I'll take it.
Speaker 4: Jackson Holiday nineteen games, has thirty hits in Double A
Speaker 4: as a nineteen year old. This guy fourteen games in
Speaker 4: Low A, fifty seven in High A nineteen and double
Speaker 4: in ninety total, he's slashing three forty two, four sixty one,
Speaker 4: five thirty seven. That's a nine to ninety eight ops.
Speaker 3: His three five hit games already. He has two four
Speaker 3: hit games already, and he has won two three, four, five,
Speaker 3: five three hit games already. Multi hit games if I
Speaker 3: count them all will go to two hours. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Damn man, just kind of wrapping up on holiday. Like,
Speaker 4: I think the point you make is awesome, and the
Speaker 4: holidays are borderline like entering royal family in baseball category.
Speaker 4: Riffy's are there too, But I mean what it's it's
Speaker 4: Matt's brother, that's the head coach at Oklahoma State. Tom
Speaker 4: is the dad. Tom was the head coach at Chatham
Speaker 4: for a good bit. Yeah, I think he just finished
Speaker 4: up earlier this year. But like, man, if Jackson works
Speaker 4: out and the younger holiday that I think is a
Speaker 4: twenty five or twenty six works out, I mean the
Speaker 4: holidays we could be talking about is like one of
Speaker 4: the all time baseball families and they get better kind
Speaker 4: of generation by generation, which is so cool. But yeah,
Speaker 4: like just watching Jackson play baseball, it almost feels like
Speaker 4: Matt didn't tell Jackson he needed to play baseball. Jackson
Speaker 4: was like, daddy has a cool job. I want to
Speaker 4: do that too, Yeah, And that's the way he plays
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's sick at it. So it's really it's
Speaker 3: really cool. And if he grows to be like the physical,
Speaker 3: he's not going to be as tall, but I mean
Speaker 3: if he fills out the way his dad was, I
Speaker 3: mean this, this is an MVP candidate.
Speaker 4: He also has an adult body with a twelve year
Speaker 4: old face, Like everybody wants to make count of his
Speaker 4: ten twelve year old face. Like he's got like a
Speaker 4: nineteen year old like advanced, he's got a twenty five
Speaker 4: year old's body.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, and that's why he's succeeding against twenty five
Speaker 3: year olds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, big time. All right, So that is your little
Speaker 4: survey run down at the top one hundred. Obviously, there
Speaker 4: are about eighty names that we didn't mention, So go
Speaker 4: to just Baseball dot com and read the Masterclass of
Speaker 4: arm late and you have one more thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be doing you know, I figure a lot
Speaker 3: of people listen in the morning or maybe you know,
Speaker 3: during their lunch or whatever it may be. You might
Speaker 3: even be driving home. We are going to do a
Speaker 3: Twitter space on Tuesday the fifteenth, So as you're listening
Speaker 3: to this, I believe it'll be right around six o'clock
Speaker 3: where I'll be answering kind of as many questions as
Speaker 3: we can on the top one hundred list. We might
Speaker 3: start it a little bit earlier if that means that
Speaker 3: Jack can hop in for a little bit before his broadcast.
Speaker 3: The original plan was to do it on Monday, on
Speaker 3: Jack's off day, but of course I had, you know,
Speaker 3: to put in a little bit more work into this thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we're going to do a Twitter space, so
Speaker 3: keep an eye out for that. Follow us on Twitter
Speaker 3: to get a heads out if we're doing it around
Speaker 3: five six pm. I'm excited just to answer any questions
Speaker 3: and you know, just just kind of talk talk Top
Speaker 3: one hundred and talk prospects. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, so again, kick ass job. You don't need to
Speaker 4: hear it from me, but I am. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I guess your biggest critics. So whenever I can tap
Speaker 4: you on the back, I will do so.
Speaker 3: All right, looking forward to that day when it comes.
Speaker 4: I'm doing it right now, can you not know?
Speaker 3: Well? Thanks you are. No, I couldn't tell.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not used to it. Good job, thank you,
Speaker 4: I'm proud of you. All right, every link you need
Speaker 4: is in the show notes. We will link the top
Speaker 4: one hundred prospects in the show notes as well. So
Speaker 4: if you're listening to this podcast and you want to
Speaker 4: just go click on it and read the whole damn thing,
Speaker 4: it is The Odyssey by Homer Dash arm lighton. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that an arm and Peter will talk to you
Speaker 4: guys tomorrow