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Speaker 2: Soorsby situation. I got word late yesterday and my source
Speaker 2: said no supplemental draft for Sowersby, and I immediately contacted
Speaker 2: Pauli and he said, I am shocked, and so I'm
Speaker 2: trying to piece a little bit more together from my
Speaker 2: source on this, and so I'm just waiting for more
Speaker 2: information because according to him, Sworsby's camp did everything they
Speaker 2: were supposed to do, but the NFL said they didn't.
Speaker 2: And I think this was just a question of is
Speaker 2: it just the NFL doesn't want him in the league,
Speaker 2: And the answer is obviously yes. But it felt like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we did what we're supposed to do. Now you said
Speaker 2: that we didn't. It feels like they're moving the goalpost
Speaker 2: a little bit. But as I said, if I'm Brendan Soresby,
Speaker 2: I spend the next six months making sure I'm rehabbing myself.
Speaker 2: But I also go around to high schools around the country,
Speaker 2: and you talk about how you got into this, and
Speaker 2: you may have cost yourself your career. I'd do a
Speaker 2: sit down with sixty minutes or sit down here, but
Speaker 2: I would answer some questions here and I would illuminate
Speaker 2: on some of this, just like I said to Pete Rose, Pete,
Speaker 2: give back if you show that you're contrite. Here's another thing.
Speaker 2: I was told that in some people's eyes in the
Speaker 2: NFL Home office, he doesn't seem contrite. Now should that
Speaker 2: factor into this? I don't think so. It feels like paperwork,
Speaker 2: and you're able to go into the supplemental draft. Let
Speaker 2: the teams decide if they want you, all right, eight
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Speaker 2: you look at the websites for all the NBA teams,
Speaker 2: everybody did a great job last night. Everybody got who
Speaker 2: they wanted. You know, everybody we got an a, give
Speaker 2: us an a. You know, we got to hand out grades,
Speaker 2: which I always find humorous. I mean I do. I'm
Speaker 2: curious about when you give a grade because you know,
Speaker 2: did Washington get a A for Kwame Brown?
Speaker 3: Can?
Speaker 2: Can you check back when Michael Jordan drafted Kwame Brown?
Speaker 2: Did did they give the Wizards an A because Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan was making the draft pick when Michael took Adam Morrison?
Speaker 2: Did they give him an A for taking Adam Morrison?
Speaker 2: I'm just curious if these guys got a's for their
Speaker 2: draft picks. Now, do I think Darren Peterson and aj
Speaker 2: De bands that are going to be better than those picks? Yes?
Speaker 2: I do, an awful lot. It was also this I
Speaker 2: was surprised that the lack of adjectives used to describe
Speaker 2: Cameron Boozer, because I kept lading, you know, what are
Speaker 2: you gonna say? He's got an NBA like body? Okay,
Speaker 2: what else you got? He's really fundamentally sound. Meanwhile, Peterson,
Speaker 2: he could average thirty a game. De bensa man, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be a first team All Pro one day.
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, it takes a while to find it, but
Speaker 4: I found some NBA draft grades from previous years. For
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, DeAndre Ayton, A minus.
Speaker 3: Was the draft grade for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Marvin Bagley, the third was a B plus, great
Speaker 4: offensive game. Now they got Luca right, they said, that's
Speaker 4: an A for that draft pick. Here's one Mobamba A
Speaker 4: plus grade for the magic drafting Mobamba out of Texas.
Speaker 2: And so on, and so it's why it's tough. It's
Speaker 2: tough in the moment to give a grade because you're
Speaker 2: basing it off what you saw in college and you
Speaker 2: know how that translates into the NBA. But yeah, there
Speaker 2: are a lot of teams that got a's A plus. Yes, Paullie.
Speaker 4: The Clippers got ripped for taking Sga over Michael Porter junior.
Speaker 4: They said that Michael Porter Junior has much more upside
Speaker 4: than Sga.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Barrett in Philadelphia, Hi, Barrett, what do
Speaker 2: you have for me today?
Speaker 5: Dan, Good afternoon, fellas.
Speaker 6: Happy Wednesday. So I'm driving along here in Ontario, head
Speaker 6: into Michigan, and I come up on one of our
Speaker 6: America's favorite son, Todd's pass holes, and so I go
Speaker 6: to pass them on the right hand side.
Speaker 5: I give him a thumbs up.
Speaker 6: The guy looks at me, he gives me a thumbs
Speaker 6: down and gotta be related to Todd.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, yeah, Todd is not moving over from the
Speaker 2: fast line. He is just not going to do that,
Speaker 2: Matt Montana. Then we'll bring in Mike Florio. Hi, Matt,
Speaker 2: what do you have.
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 7: Hey man?
Speaker 8: Hello, hey, hey man.
Speaker 2: One six foot one seventy eight, one.
Speaker 9: Eighty eight after the weekend.
Speaker 8: Uh, I just wanted a way in this storesby.
Speaker 2: Kid and addiction stuff. It does really bad.
Speaker 9: H I applugbed the NFL for cutting out of that draft.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 9: I think you should learn a lesson, and you got
Speaker 9: to learn lessons hard and addiction it'll take over. I
Speaker 9: just look at the remember the Chris Aaron story, And
Speaker 9: I know he wasn't trying to get back in that
Speaker 9: NBA or anything, but he owned up to everything, and
Speaker 9: he went on later in seminars and spoke out and
Speaker 9: you know I flogged that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he could have cleaned up earlier, then maybe
Speaker 2: he gets back in. And yes, we all know addiction
Speaker 2: a bad thing. And you know, the NFL wanted to
Speaker 2: send a message here. They were drawing a line in
Speaker 2: the sand. But I don't know if we've gotten the
Speaker 2: true story yet about Brendan Sorosby's side of the things
Speaker 2: that did they do everything they were supposed to do?
Speaker 2: If it just comes down to, we don't want you
Speaker 2: in the league. Mike Florio knows more than I do
Speaker 2: Pro Football Talk Live co host and his latest novel,
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Speaker 2: ninety nine cents. It's about a tale the mob and
Speaker 2: pro sports in the age of legalized gambling. As we
Speaker 2: make the segue to Brendan Sorosby, NFL moved the goalpost
Speaker 2: here on Soorsby's team that they did get in before
Speaker 2: the deadline.
Speaker 3: Well, and Dan, I was listening to what you were saying.
Speaker 10: I agree with the idea that there was a in
Speaker 10: league circles and specifically in the league office, that there
Speaker 10: needed to be a punishment. There needed to be accountability,
Speaker 10: There needed to be a pound of flesh. Now what
Speaker 10: they could have done and what they've done in the past,
Speaker 10: they'll let a guy into the supplemental.
Speaker 3: Draft and then suspend him later.
Speaker 10: They did that with Terrell Pryor, different case but with
Speaker 10: similarities from twenty eleven. Here's why I think they didn't
Speaker 10: do that with Soresby if they had tried to suspend
Speaker 10: him after he was drafted. They had two prior cases,
Speaker 10: two guys currently on NFL rosters who had similar situations
Speaker 10: to Soorsby and were never punished by the league. Kate
Speaker 10: Sean Booty, the Patriots receiver who actually bet on LSU
Speaker 10: games he played in, never punished by the league. They
Speaker 10: didn't even know about it when he was drafted. And
Speaker 10: Hunter Deckers, who resigned with the Saints this week. He
Speaker 10: had no suspension, no punishment. He did the same thing
Speaker 10: Soresby did. So instead of suspending him and opening yourself
Speaker 10: up to the argument that, wait a minute, you didn't
Speaker 10: do anything to Booty your Deckers, let's just slam the
Speaker 10: door in his face. Let's just say we don't feel
Speaker 10: like having a supplemental draft this year. We'll see you
Speaker 10: in April, which is basically a one year suspension.
Speaker 2: Could Soorsby and his agent have done anything different.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they could have done differently, Dan.
Speaker 10: And the way that the letter to Soresby reads, it's
Speaker 10: like this thing just fell out of the blue for
Speaker 10: the NFL last week.
Speaker 3: We know anything about this.
Speaker 10: What are you talking about eligibility and eligibility the NCAA.
Speaker 3: We don't have time to look into that.
Speaker 10: And I think the truth as it's spelled out in
Speaker 10: the statement that lawyer Jeffrey Kessler's office released last night
Speaker 10: that they had given them everything that they asked for,
Speaker 10: that they had even asked, if you need anything.
Speaker 3: Else, let us know.
Speaker 10: And Dan, I wouldn't be surprised if we find out
Speaker 10: that there were maybe some communications between Soorsby's camp in
Speaker 10: the NFL predating the application, maybe all the way back
Speaker 10: to the beginning of this, because they knew what was
Speaker 10: going to happen. If Kessler couldn't keep Soorsby in the NCAAA,
Speaker 10: he was going to apply for the supplemental Draft. We
Speaker 10: knew that from the moment that Soresby's eligibility came into
Speaker 10: question at Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just confusing, and I don't know it. And
Speaker 2: we've talked about this, I think the last time with
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Kessler. He's not afraid of the NFL. He's with
Speaker 2: the NFL Players Association. But can a player who's not
Speaker 2: a member of the NFL rely on the NFL Players
Speaker 2: Association to help him get into the league.
Speaker 3: Well, and Dan, that's a problem for Sowersby.
Speaker 10: I went back and read the Maurice Claret legal decision
Speaker 10: from two thousand and four and one of the things
Speaker 10: said in that decision. Unions have an interest in protecting
Speaker 10: their current membership. Soorsby's not a member until he's drafted
Speaker 10: or signs a contract as an undrafted free agent. So
Speaker 10: if the U union does something to help a guy
Speaker 10: who's not a member, who once he's drafted, is going
Speaker 10: to cause a current union member to lose his spot
Speaker 10: on the roster.
Speaker 3: That's a problem.
Speaker 10: And I think that's why the union is keeping back
Speaker 10: hands off. We don't know what to do here, and
Speaker 10: I think they can't do anything because they'd be directly
Speaker 10: hurting the rights of a current union member if they
Speaker 10: help a non member try to get into the union.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my suggestion was, don't sue the NFL. Take this
Speaker 2: year off, six months, rehab yourself and give seminars to
Speaker 2: high school football teams or kids and talk about how
Speaker 2: you got into this. And it's only twenty dollars, but
Speaker 2: I'm doing it nine thousand times, and it could easily
Speaker 2: happen to you, and it may cost me my career.
Speaker 2: Maybe an act of contrition what Pete Rose. I truly
Speaker 2: believe if he gave back for an entire year that
Speaker 2: commissioner see league would have fought to reinstate him or
Speaker 2: at least put him on the Hall of Fame ballot.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that is going to work in
Speaker 2: Brendan Soresby's camp. Do you sit down with sixty minutes
Speaker 2: and do you know you got to you got to
Speaker 2: glean some sympathy here or I thought about if you
Speaker 2: put him in the supplemental draft, then you leave it
Speaker 2: up to the teams if they want this headache on
Speaker 2: their roster, and then if not, then you've done your
Speaker 2: due diligence, as you know, the stewards of the league.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: And I think that's a great point.
Speaker 10: I think what he may do Dan is just not
Speaker 10: fight it, take the year off, train for the draft
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty seven, go around and speak to high
Speaker 10: school students.
Speaker 3: As you've said, he could be a great way.
Speaker 10: This is a great opportunity to provide a tangible example
Speaker 10: of what can happen to you, especially if you have
Speaker 10: aspirations to play college football, any college sport, professional sports.
Speaker 3: You got to stay away.
Speaker 10: Now, this is, you know, the fruit of the forbidden tree.
Speaker 10: Everybody else is eating it. You got to stay away
Speaker 10: from it. If you're going to be involved in college
Speaker 10: sports and pro sports, and I think he has a
Speaker 10: great opportunity to help a lot of kids avoid the
Speaker 10: problems he got into.
Speaker 2: Talking to Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live, co host
Speaker 2: the show that precedes Hours on Peacock's latest novel, Big Shield,
Speaker 2: available in Amazon in ebook form for only ninety nine cents,
Speaker 2: A tale of the mob and pro sports in the
Speaker 2: age of legalized gambling. Why while I have you. We've
Speaker 2: seen these new fields for the World Cup, and boy
Speaker 2: they look great. And there's some NFL players saying, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I thought you said it's too expensive
Speaker 2: that we Why can't we keep the grass that's down
Speaker 2: on these fields that we would be using for NFL games.
Speaker 10: Well, and Dan, here's the reality. It's now a collective
Speaker 10: bargaining issue. How bad do the players want it? You
Speaker 10: can prefer grass to terf What are you going to
Speaker 10: give up to get the owners to spend the money
Speaker 10: to retro fit dome stadiums to have grass for NFL games?
Speaker 10: And you got to prioritize what you're looking for when
Speaker 10: it's time to bargain with the NFL.
Speaker 3: We know what the NFL wants.
Speaker 10: They want eighteen regular season games, sixteen international games. They
Speaker 10: want to reduce the size of the piece of the
Speaker 10: pie that the players get. As the pie keeps getting
Speaker 10: larger and larger, what are the players.
Speaker 3: Willing to fight for?
Speaker 10: And there's a fundamental imbalance in the relationship. The owners
Speaker 10: will shut the sport down for a year to get
Speaker 10: what they want. We know all the way back to
Speaker 10: nineteen eighty seven, the players are not going to go
Speaker 10: without football. They're not going to go without getting paid.
Speaker 10: Will the players ever strike to get all grass fields?
Speaker 10: And Dan, By the time we get to that point
Speaker 10: five years from now, most of the guys currently.
Speaker 3: In the league are going to be gone.
Speaker 10: We're talking about what guys in high school and college
Speaker 10: may do five years from now to try to get grass.
Speaker 10: So you can want it, but you may not want
Speaker 10: to do what you have to do to go get it.
Speaker 2: So they're not testing for weed anymore, but they're testing
Speaker 2: the players' ability or resolve of fighting for grass. So
Speaker 2: there's some kind of correlation here, Mike, I think.
Speaker 3: Well, and look, Dan, here's the bottom line.
Speaker 10: We know how much power the league has over the players.
Speaker 10: We've seen it play out time and again through collective
Speaker 10: bargaining agreement negotiations. We know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 10: the league's going to get what they want and for
Speaker 10: the players to get what they want, it's always going
Speaker 10: to be a fight.
Speaker 2: You could have given me a courtesy laugh on the
Speaker 2: weed and the grass. Mike, come in. I've been there
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I'm sorry. I hope that I'm coming through.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm apparently having technical difficulties on my end, so
Speaker 10: I'm hearing every other word you're saying.
Speaker 3: So I missed the joke.
Speaker 2: I apologize. Okay, I'll leave you with this. The New
Speaker 2: York Times did a deep dive on Diana Russini. I
Speaker 2: guess that's like happening now, Like what are we waiting for?
Speaker 2: This is supposed to this investigation that started in what January?
Speaker 10: And Dan, I think that the New York Times report
Speaker 10: is the appetite to the announcement of whatever the Athletic
Speaker 10: owned and operated by the New York Times is going
Speaker 10: to conclude and publish as it relates to its investigation
Speaker 10: of her reporting. That was my first takeaway. This investigation
Speaker 10: is just about done and we're going to find out soon.
Speaker 10: And this New York Times article is just kind of
Speaker 10: the precursor to what's coming maybe within the next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what are they looking to find out here?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, they.
Speaker 10: Claim they're going back and looking at her reporting, and
Speaker 10: there's a lot of reporting to sift through to see
Speaker 10: whether or not it was affected by an actual or
Speaker 10: perceived conflict of interest, any reporting that relates directly or
Speaker 10: indirectly to Mike Frabel when he was with the Titans,
Speaker 10: when he wasn't working, when he's with the Patriots.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 10: There are a lot of tweets, a lot of podcasts,
Speaker 10: a lot of reports, a lot of stuff to sift
Speaker 10: through and ask yourself, was any of this affected by
Speaker 10: what seems to be a pretty clear conflict of interest?
Speaker 3: And that's really the core of this.
Speaker 10: You create the conflict of interest by establishing a personal relationship,
Speaker 10: and under the New York Times very exacting editorial guidelines,
Speaker 10: that is a no.
Speaker 2: No, Well, she can't be more out of a job,
Speaker 2: But I mean, is this more unvrable now than her
Speaker 2: because she doesn't have a job.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 10: This goes to some issues between the Times and the Athletic.
Speaker 10: When the Times bought the athletic. The Times lost its most,
Speaker 10: if not all, of it's in house sports reporting, and
Speaker 10: I think a lot of what the Athletic is doing
Speaker 10: here is trying to just placate the workforce and create
Speaker 10: the impression that they care about their editorial standards.
Speaker 3: They're going to do something about it.
Speaker 10: They're going to have transparency with their employees, and they're
Speaker 10: going to send a message to everyone about what a
Speaker 10: New York Times owned and operated publication is willing to tolerate.
Speaker 10: I think that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mike, Who's always.
Speaker 3: Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2: Mike Florio, pro Football Talk Live Code host and his
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I just saw that this is a big
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a Sunday Magazine Diana
Speaker 2: Russini article, but it's a deep dive. I don't know
Speaker 2: what they're going to tell us and how that matters
Speaker 2: to anybody. Does it affect Mike Vrabel at all? Probably not,
Speaker 2: And Diana Rossini hasn't said anything and she's out of
Speaker 2: a job, so this might be just, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: self gratuitous on the Times part, or the Athletics say,
Speaker 2: look at us. You know, we have standards here and
Speaker 2: we're gonna uphold those standards. We'll take a break. Seth Greenberg,
Speaker 2: former coach, works for the Mothership. He'll recap the draft
Speaker 2: and we'll chat with him after this.
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Speaker 2: Comment away. He is Seth Greenberg. He's been very busy
Speaker 2: last night and today ESPN College Basketball an list former
Speaker 2: college basketball head coach, Seth, thanks for carbon out some
Speaker 2: time for us. Was there a clear number one prospect
Speaker 2: in your opinion last night?
Speaker 5: Not really? I mean you could build a case for
Speaker 5: any four of those guys.
Speaker 8: I like Daron.
Speaker 5: Peterson through all the drama and everything that's gone on
Speaker 5: with him in terms of a pure basketball player, and
Speaker 5: asked me who's shot ready, skills, offensively, defensive lead They
Speaker 5: came easier for others. Derpias was the most the best
Speaker 5: basketball player, the best basketball player in the draft, but
Speaker 5: you have to evaluate all the other things that surrounded
Speaker 5: him during the course of the season. And that's why
Speaker 5: deposed who You cannot go wrong because you know the
Speaker 5: guy is built like a Greek god. He plays hardest
Speaker 5: to be, he loves the game, He's I've got a
Speaker 5: maturity about him. So no, there were no wrongs answers
Speaker 5: in the first four picks.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I felt bad for
Speaker 2: Cameron Boozer, who leads Duke and points, rebounds, assist, and
Speaker 2: it just it felt like he was slotted as yeah,
Speaker 2: you know it can be a solid player, like there's
Speaker 2: no real highlights with him, but it felt like if
Speaker 2: I was coming up with a new measuring stick adjectives
Speaker 2: per draft prospect, He's going to be on the lower
Speaker 2: end of that because just didn't feel like he had
Speaker 2: that upside and highlight reel that you would expect for
Speaker 2: somebody who claims to be the number one player in
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 5: I one hundred percent agree with that. I thought he
Speaker 5: was the most undeevaluated and appreciated player in the draft.
Speaker 5: He's going to get nineteen to twenty and ten basically
Speaker 5: for his whole career in the NBA. He's another guy
Speaker 5: high basketball, shoot, great field, that big body of his,
Speaker 5: he could pick a poppet, shoot threes, he can pass
Speaker 5: it latterly defensively, he's much better than anyone realizes. Everyone
Speaker 5: tried to pick out. Oh, well, you know that he
Speaker 5: doesn't have great lift. The guy's six, say, with a
Speaker 5: seven to one wingspan. But I thought he was the
Speaker 5: most under properly analyzed and evaluated player in the draft
Speaker 5: and the most NBA ready in terms of dealing with
Speaker 5: being an NBA player and dealing with every year that
Speaker 5: surrounds that because of his maturity and let's face it,
Speaker 5: you know, to me, it's how he was raised, and
Speaker 5: not just Carlos, but his mom as well. They did
Speaker 5: an incredible job modeling behavior. He had great body behavior
Speaker 5: in terms of way his family carries themselves with the
Speaker 5: way most laws and CCI it's.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many times we've seen a team
Speaker 2: draft somebody because it's specifically for another player that they're
Speaker 2: going to be facing. Like, okay, see with Mara, it
Speaker 2: felt like we're taking you because we're going to be
Speaker 2: facing them, and that's our main competition to get back
Speaker 2: to the NBA finals.
Speaker 5: Yes, and also as an insurance policy with heartsh team,
Speaker 5: you know, because they've got to sign him right now,
Speaker 5: so I mean like it's an insurance policy. And yeah,
Speaker 5: he you know, guard one alien, you you go get
Speaker 5: another alien. I mean, you know it sounds silly, but
Speaker 5: you know, Mars his land, his ability to impact the
Speaker 5: game at the rim. He's got very very good passer.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's got some skill set. But yeah, one
Speaker 5: thing about Sam Presty like their ability to evaluate and
Speaker 5: get thunder guys but also guys that are going to
Speaker 5: give them an edge everything at basketball where there you're
Speaker 5: coming off a ball screen or you're putting together ross,
Speaker 5: you're always trying to find an edge, and Sam Presty
Speaker 5: finds an edge better than any guy that's doing that
Speaker 5: job right now. In terms of you having a president.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Seth Greenberg, ESPN college basketball analyst and
Speaker 2: of course, former college basketball coach. What does Dusty May
Speaker 2: leaving Michigan abruptly say about the state of coaching in
Speaker 2: college basketball.
Speaker 5: The business of college basketball is what I call it. Look,
Speaker 5: I mean, Dusty May just won a national championship, won
Speaker 5: a national championship, and instead of going back to the
Speaker 5: hotel and celebrating with the families and the players, right,
Speaker 5: he had to get on zoom calls and make phone
Speaker 5: calls because, as crazy as it sounds, the NBA, you
Speaker 5: have had better chance to build a long term culture
Speaker 5: than you do in college today. In the NBA, there
Speaker 5: are guardlines, guard rails and guidelines. In college there are none.
Speaker 8: In the NBA.
Speaker 5: You signed players to contracts. In college, you'll sign to
Speaker 5: a one year contract and they're a free agent. So
Speaker 5: in terms of the health of our sport, our sport's
Speaker 5: never been better. In terms of how the game is
Speaker 5: being played, as you've played at a high level, the
Speaker 5: players are skilled, the spacing, the flow, the force out,
Speaker 5: the entertainment has never been better. Of college basketball is
Speaker 5: an absolute mess. It's an absolute mess. And you see
Speaker 5: a guy as young and as successful as dust he
Speaker 5: may and he says, I have no life, and this
Speaker 5: is what the guys. Look. I speak to guys all
Speaker 5: year long, and all the coaches are getting paid all that.
Speaker 5: But I understand that. I understand that. But then I
Speaker 5: have been given the money. It's seven days a week,
Speaker 5: twelve months a year, twenty four hours a day, whether
Speaker 5: it's putting together a roster or dealing with everything else
Speaker 5: that's going on, like raising pay for play money, you know,
Speaker 5: like you know, like it's evaluating the next class, Like
Speaker 5: why have you some of the NBA guys that have
Speaker 5: gone from n BEING to college haven't succeeded in a
Speaker 5: lot of way in our game. Is because they don't nderst.
Speaker 5: In the NBA, you're gonna put together a roster. Then
Speaker 5: you're going to add to your roster. In college the
Speaker 5: best teams, you might retain one or two guys. You're
Speaker 5: putting a whole new team together, all right in three
Speaker 5: weeks after the season.
Speaker 2: Uh, great stuff. As always said, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: We appreciate your time.
Speaker 5: Hey, you're the best DP. You know, Peterson's good, but
Speaker 5: I think you know, I think you When we put
Speaker 5: a list of dps, people go who's on the.
Speaker 1: Top of it.
Speaker 5: You're on top of it.
Speaker 2: Goody, Thank you, sir, thank you. That's Seth Greenberg. I
Speaker 2: didn't know there was a list of those who had
Speaker 2: the initials DP DP uh fresh in Milwaukee, Hi Fresh.
Speaker 2: What do you have for me today?
Speaker 12: What's up? DP and Dan Nick? How you guys doing
Speaker 12: the day?
Speaker 13: Great?
Speaker 12: Well, we've been talking about this college Betton thing got
Speaker 12: me thinking about a good question for you. What's the
Speaker 12: greatest sports scandal that you ever covered and didn't have
Speaker 12: any effect on you on your view of sports?
Speaker 2: Well, I would say Pete Rose because, as I've said before,
Speaker 2: I was using a bookie in outside of Cincinnati, and
Speaker 2: he was a business partner of the bookie that Pete
Speaker 2: Rose was using in Cincinnati. So I was well aware
Speaker 2: of everything that Pete was doing, and I had just
Speaker 2: started at the Mothership. So I would say that I
Speaker 2: was friends with Mark McGuire when they were in front
Speaker 2: of Capitol Hill with the steroids. That was obviously a
Speaker 2: huge scandal, but that you know Pete. That cost Pete
Speaker 2: his career, It cost him Hall of fame. You know,
Speaker 2: McGuire has since worked in baseball and some of the
Speaker 2: other guys who are there. They've worked in baseball, I
Speaker 2: mean Alex Rodriguez, you know, front and center with Fox.
Speaker 2: But the Pete Rose thing, and that hurt me personally
Speaker 2: because I grew up a Cincinnati Reds fan and now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're getting information on, you know,
Speaker 2: damning information on Pete Rose. And I had people, you know,
Speaker 2: in my area that in Cincinnati they weren't pleased that
Speaker 2: I had turned on Pete Rose. I'm like, I got
Speaker 2: a job to do. I mean, this is this is
Speaker 2: big boy stuff, and I treated it as as such.
Speaker 2: But I would say that the Pete Rose, the magnitude
Speaker 2: of that, I mean, baseball with steroids was pretty big.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're I wasn't involved with Lance Armstrong, Yeah.
Speaker 4: PAULI a couple other scandals, though we did interview him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we had Lance on talked a lot about it. A
Speaker 4: couple other scandals that broke where when they broke, I
Speaker 4: was like, this cannot be real. Nancy Kerrigan, Tanya Harding
Speaker 4: around the Olympics. That was a soap opera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't cover that. No fresh was asking
Speaker 2: that I was involved in. I was involved with the
Speaker 2: Pete Rose. I was involved with steroids. I was friends
Speaker 2: with Jason Jiomby, but yeah, I wasn't. I mean Nancy Kerrigan, Uh,
Speaker 2: I wasn't involved.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 2: Later on, you know, we had Tanya Harding on to
Speaker 2: talk about that. That didn't go well. But you know,
Speaker 2: you stick around long enough, there'll be a scandal for
Speaker 2: just about anybody. And even more so now it feels
Speaker 2: like because there's gonna be more gambling scandals, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Phil in Texas, I Phil, what do you have for me? Hey?
Speaker 7: Dan, second time caller five ten, two time iron man.
Speaker 7: I had a solution for this situation with sword Beam,
Speaker 7: following up with Florio Layer is a lawyer. Every single lawyer,
Speaker 7: every single doctor, nurse, and teacher are under a license.
Speaker 7: Five digit license, six digit license. They're issue when they
Speaker 7: come into the profession. Why don't we do this with athletes?
Speaker 7: You issue them a license when they come in. This
Speaker 7: is your license. There's a longer list of professional rules
Speaker 7: of conduct that you have to observe. If you don't
Speaker 7: follow them, then there's four things. You have a private
Speaker 7: reprimand a public reprimand a suspension or you're revoked a felony.
Speaker 7: The kid from the Ravens that hit that girl, He's gone.
Speaker 7: That's a felony. Draymond Green lays out another player that's
Speaker 7: felay assault.
Speaker 3: He's gone.
Speaker 7: There's no room for error. It takes the guest work
Speaker 7: out from the NFLPA, from the commissioner. Fourier just says, well,
Speaker 7: you know, the NFL went soft on this guy, and
Speaker 7: now with swords be, you don't have to make an example.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 7: If this kid wants to come into the NFL, then
Speaker 7: what you can do is he can come in under suspension.
Speaker 7: That's toe bating. You have five years. If you violate
Speaker 7: the terms of this suspension or this probated sentence for
Speaker 7: five years, then you're out.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with any of that stuff. It's just you're
Speaker 2: going to have a hard time with the Players Association
Speaker 2: agreeing to that. These unions they're there to protect the player.
Speaker 2: Even if the player is wrong, they still have to
Speaker 2: protect the player. You know, you have to represent ray
Speaker 2: Rice when things go bad. I mean, the NFL made
Speaker 2: up a commissioner's exempt list with Adrian Peterson. We had
Speaker 2: no idea. We were like, wait a minute, where's this list.
Speaker 2: Anybody else on this list? All they have to do
Speaker 2: is go, uh, I don't know, how about a commissioner's
Speaker 2: exemp list? Yeah, it sounds good to me. All right,
Speaker 2: what about you, Tommy?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Hey, Skippy Yeah okay. And next thing, you know, we
Speaker 2: got a commissioner's exemp list, all right. You know their
Speaker 2: goal is sometimes maybe to just say something and hope
Speaker 2: that we don't go wait a minute, like sometimes we'll
Speaker 2: go okay, that sounds good to me. Yeah, Paul, I.
Speaker 4: Remember the day we came in and we read commissioner's
Speaker 4: exempt list and we looked it up and we couldn't
Speaker 4: find anything about it. It's like, yeah, double secret paration.
Speaker 3: They just invented it.
Speaker 2: I saw where Kyle Pitts got paid three years fifty
Speaker 2: four million, third highest paid tight end behind George Kittle
Speaker 2: and Trey McBride at eighteen million a year. We kept
Speaker 2: waiting for Kyle Pitts to be great. When you're drafted
Speaker 2: that high at that position. Eighty eight receptions second among
Speaker 2: tight ends, nine twenty eight receiving yards, second and fourth
Speaker 2: in yards after the catch. But I keep waiting for
Speaker 2: my Falcons to put it all together. You know, London
Speaker 2: and Pitts and Bijon and they're gonna win the NFC
Speaker 2: South with a nine and eight record.
Speaker 14: Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I'm still waiting for Kyle Pits to
Speaker 14: be first team All Pro because when he came out,
Speaker 14: we thought he was going to check change the tight
Speaker 14: end position. Like, man, this is the next Shannon Sharp,
Speaker 14: Kellen Winslow. He's like Jermaine Gresham that was drafted by
Speaker 14: the Bengals out of Oklahoma. I thought he was going
Speaker 14: to be the greatest tight end who ever lived.
Speaker 2: Is Ben Watson still playing?
Speaker 13: Ben Watson?
Speaker 2: Didn't he have like twenty years in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I think Marced's loss that's two decades.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would say that's a good draft pick
Speaker 2: if you've got somebody who played, like whatever, eighteen years
Speaker 2: Benjamin Watson. I thought Jimmy Graham was going to change
Speaker 2: the tight end position. He came close, Yes.
Speaker 4: Ben Watson sixteen seasons, but he retired in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Oh darn it. Okay, all right, last call for phone calls.
Speaker 2: What we learn? What's in store tomorrow? Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 13: The problem with Jimmy Graham was he wanted to be
Speaker 13: a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, Well that's where the money was.
Speaker 2: I got it wasn't that where Davis from the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers Burnon Davis out of Maryland. Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: another one that those were the two best tight ends
Speaker 2: at the time. You had to pick who's your tight end.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, one wants to be a wide receiver, Yes.
Speaker 4: Paul Mercedes Lewis twenty seasons, including twenty twenty five. He
Speaker 4: played twenty seasons at tight end.
Speaker 2: I would say that that was a good draft pick, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know if at the time did he get
Speaker 2: an A or a B. You know, but if you're
Speaker 2: lasting that long, who draft did the Bears draft Mercedes Lewis? Jacksonville?
Speaker 2: Jacksonville was Jacksonville's it just getting into the NFL. At
Speaker 2: the time, they were an expansion branch. They like expansion franchise.
Speaker 2: Do you remember Cardell were running Keenan McCardell. They had
Speaker 2: some talent, Mark Brunell, oh, man Fred Taylor, Yes, Mark.
Speaker 13: That's a lot of haul of very very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they had a few of Hallaververry. All right,
Speaker 2: last call for phone calls? What we learn? What's store tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Right after this?
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Speaker 2: New episode of the todcast That Means All Things Todd
Speaker 2: Fritz as he sits down with Dylan, who plays the
Speaker 2: role of therapist. We actually had the video of that
Speaker 2: now not just audio, but now you can watch the
Speaker 2: todcast and we went out. We got a nice sofa,
Speaker 2: big German, got a nice sofa. Dylan has his chair
Speaker 2: where it looks like a therapist's office, and he's able
Speaker 2: to probe the whatever mind that Todd Fritz presents here
Speaker 2: in the toodcast. Yes, Dylan, I was thinking for aesthetics,
Speaker 2: smoking like a pipe, like an old pipe during our
Speaker 2: old our sessions. What do you think? Okay? Uh, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you need to smoke it, but you
Speaker 2: could have it in your in your hand. You could
Speaker 2: give the impression you're smoking it. That's there's no smoking
Speaker 2: in the building. Yeah, but there's no smoking in the building. Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: you got breaking you got breaking news.
Speaker 4: Paul, I got a little basketball news for you hand.
Speaker 4: You were talked about this a couple of months ago.
Speaker 4: The LA Lakers star Austin Reeves intends to sign a
Speaker 4: four year, one and five million dollar max contract to
Speaker 4: return to the franchise. According to ESPN's and sham Sharani
Speaker 4: intends to sign.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would run towards that, uh four years, one
Speaker 2: eighty five. Let's see, he declined his uh fourteen point
Speaker 2: nine million player option for the new max deal. He
Speaker 2: put a good numbers. You know, you might look at
Speaker 2: him and say, you know, is that a legitimate number
Speaker 2: two option here? And so far he has been. He've
Speaker 2: had some big numbers, big games when Luca was out,
Speaker 2: and I don't think he fits the uh, you know
Speaker 2: that second guy that uh oh, you know, we always
Speaker 2: got that guy to come in if this guy doesn't
Speaker 2: do his job. But Austin Reeves has played really well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, it's the biggest contract ever for an undrafted
Speaker 4: free agent, undrafted player in NBA history. So you know
Speaker 4: how in the sixth round of the draft, they always
Speaker 4: show Tom Brady in the NFL draft whenever the end
Speaker 4: of the second round gets there, like, look at Austin
Speaker 4: Reeves undrafted free agents?
Speaker 2: Hmm. Here is a little taste of the toddcast where
Speaker 2: he sits down on his weekly podcast. Got it, Well,
Speaker 2: I don't hear it. I'm sure it's great, Todd. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys, I'm sorry, yeah, sorry, Yes.
Speaker 4: Paul, that's just a taste of the gold that's on
Speaker 4: the toodcast.
Speaker 2: Much.
Speaker 3: That's perfect.
Speaker 2: That that was awesome. That was awesome. But from what
Speaker 2: I'm told, the toodcast is great.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 2: Maybe you just have to go to the todcast to
Speaker 2: actually watch it and listen to it. Yes, Dylan, I
Speaker 2: think Todd's being intentionally silenced. I don't think that was
Speaker 2: an accident. Wow. Well, if he's being silenced, it's by Mario,
Speaker 2: the eyes and ears of the program, because he's the
Speaker 2: direct rio.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, Sean and Indiana, Hi Sean, Hello, hello Dan. Uh.
Speaker 8: Let me just say to you that The Grateful Dead
Speaker 8: it's the greatest fan of all time. It's not even
Speaker 8: in question. Shakedown Streets the album you've got to listen to tonight.
Speaker 2: I want to listen to Shakedown Street.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I get Shakedown Streets. It's a great album. Great album. Okay,
Speaker 8: one in my lifetime. The Giants have one on my birthday,
Speaker 8: and now the Knicks have one. I can die a
Speaker 8: happy New York sports fan.
Speaker 2: All Right, well, thank you, Sean. So the Grateful Dead's
Speaker 2: the greatest band of all time because they put out
Speaker 2: Shakedown Street. Hmmm, James in Chicago, Hi James, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind?
Speaker 15: And I had to call Leon. Regarding the emoji, the
Speaker 15: sumbs up emoji in my household, that is known as
Speaker 15: a pejorative emoji, meaning when me and my wife are
Speaker 15: in conflict and we happen to text each other, we
Speaker 15: send each other the thumbs up emoji, if for nothing else,
Speaker 15: to incite rage in the other person.
Speaker 2: Nice, nice, thank you, James. I'll give a thumbs up
Speaker 2: to that. How about this day in sports history, Paul A.
Speaker 4: Couple for you Dan nineteen twenty two, the American Professional
Speaker 4: Football Association changed his name to the National Football League
Speaker 4: the NFL. And how about this Right on q nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy one, the NBA modified its four year eligibility rule
Speaker 4: to allow for collegiate hardship cases.
Speaker 2: How about this on this date In eighteen eighty two,
Speaker 2: the umpire Richard Higham was expelled from baseball because for
Speaker 2: his dishonesty he had links with gambling on games. Eighteen
Speaker 2: eighty two. Pele was seventeen years of age in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty eight, he had three consecutive goals as Brazil beat
Speaker 2: France in the World Cup Semis nineteen ninety two. Dan
Speaker 2: Patrick Shut the Hell Up Shack was drafted by the
Speaker 2: Orlando Magic oh In twenty ten, Jace John Isner and
Speaker 2: Nicholas Muhutt at Wimbledon that when eleven hours, five minutes
Speaker 2: began two days earlier on June twenty second, they didn't
Speaker 2: play throughout the night, just letting you know, let's go
Speaker 2: around the room see if we learned anything. Todd learn
Speaker 2: anything today?
Speaker 13: I did.
Speaker 10: Dave Matthews said she was not influenced by the music
Speaker 10: of The Grateful Dead or or Norrem Dylan.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be listening to the Dead tonight around the fire. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the greatest album ever Shakedown Street.
Speaker 13: Wow, Marvin, you spilled beer on Dave Matthews.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did, what Dylan? It's not the best, but
Speaker 2: it's great. No, it's not a great album. Paul Would
Speaker 2: you learn you got your NBA vote back? Yes for
Speaker 2: Fritzy Dylan, Marv Paula yours truly in the back room. Guys,
Speaker 2: we'll talk to you tomorrow.