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Speaker 5: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a birthday celebration. So my wife and

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Speaker 7: I were on a ten day tour. We tore the

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Speaker 7: whole nation from the north and the the heights down

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Speaker 7: to the south. And I'm asking God to speak to

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Speaker 7: me while I'm there. He says nothing. The whole entire trip.

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Speaker 7: The last day, the last.

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Speaker 5: Place we go to the garden tomb. You've been there.

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Speaker 7: I go into the garden to the tomb is empty,

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Speaker 7: by the way, his bones.

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Speaker 5: And I just want to throw that out there.

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Speaker 7: The shrouds night there, like every other progenitor of a religion,

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Speaker 7: we found their bones dead, dead, but the progenitive of

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Speaker 7: Christianity is alive. So I just want to parenthetically insert that.

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Speaker 7: But come out the tomb and I hear singing, and

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Speaker 7: I hear singing in a language that I did not understand,

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Speaker 7: but I can feel the spirit of God right And

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Speaker 7: you know, I slip in and I'm the only black

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Speaker 7: dude in there. So I kind of slip into this gathering,

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Speaker 7: who's on my bus. He comes with me into the gathering.

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Speaker 7: Now they're singing songs, but I don't know the language,

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Speaker 7: but I can feel God's presence, and the gentleman who's

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Speaker 7: leading at the time, he motions.

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Speaker 5: To me come to the front.

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Speaker 7: I go to the front and he starts talking to

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Speaker 7: me in a foreign language, and it's Portuguese. By God's

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Speaker 7: divine providence, the brother who was with me on the

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Speaker 5: He starts interpreting what this brother is saying.

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Speaker 7: And so what he said to me in Portuguese was

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Speaker 7: he says, I've been to your nation. I see how

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Speaker 7: the church is dead and dying. And God is saying,

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Speaker 7: do you want to return back to America to set

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Speaker 7: fire to the body of Christ? And I said to

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Speaker 7: that man, I said yes, sir. He says, receive a

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Speaker 7: double anointing. And I fall down on my hands, on

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Speaker 7: my knees, and then all of these men and women

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Speaker 7: for me. And it was like God charged me in

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Speaker 7: that moment to come back and kind of cry aloud

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Speaker 7: died in that moment, if I could be transparent, I

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Speaker 7: feel like the pastor. I was the husband, I was

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Speaker 7: the father. I was died at that garden tomb, and

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Speaker 7: I flew back to America kind of conflicted in my soul.

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Speaker 7: You know that something has to change when I get back.

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Speaker 7: That's why we're black. I haven't worn a color since then.

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Speaker 7: I wear black symbolically to say that every day for me,

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Speaker 7: I'm dying.

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Speaker 5: I'm dead to culture. I have not woren a color

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Speaker 5: since I came back from December twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Think about it, Rebecca, that it just so happened that

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Speaker 1: a man that spoke Portuguese was standing next to him

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Speaker 1: as the Lord was prophesying this word to him.

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Speaker 5: You can't make that up.

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Speaker 1: No, it was the divine appointment.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And the black is an outward manifestation that you

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Speaker 8: were marked by God that day and you're still carrying

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Speaker 8: that burden in that call for the church in America.

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Speaker 8: What has God given to you in the secret place

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Speaker 8: about the church in America and how.

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Speaker 1: Are you praying?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: First, I want to say to people who are watching

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Speaker 7: him and who are proclaimers of the Gospel, that we

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Speaker 7: will never be stronger than our prayer life, and that

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Speaker 7: although people know me for my preaching, probably the strongest part.

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Speaker 5: Of my life is my prayer life.

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Speaker 7: I say I have a ferocious prayer life because I

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Speaker 7: have a lot of brokenness, and my brokenness keeps me.

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Speaker 5: At the feet of Jesus.

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Speaker 7: And I feel like in my prayer time my secret

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Speaker 7: place which I would rather be in my prayer closet

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Speaker 7: than on a platform.

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Speaker 5: That's me personally.

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Speaker 7: I feel like I feel God's tearsday and I feel

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Speaker 7: His grief with the Church in the West, that there

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Speaker 7: is rampant idolatry, there is radical individualism, and there is

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Speaker 7: a type of pseudo Christianity that is a mergent that's

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Speaker 7: disconnected from orthodox Christianity. So we have christ and crystals,

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Speaker 7: we have the Holy Spirit, and we have Sage, we

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Speaker 7: have the Bible, we have mystics, and we try to

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Speaker 7: blend the two, we try to conflate them. In America,

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Speaker 7: so there is a version of Christianity that is a

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Speaker 7: mergent in our country that is not the Christianity of

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Speaker 7: the Bible that the generation is buying into. And I

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Speaker 7: feel the grief of that in my prayer time, that

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Speaker 7: we need to cry out against that bring people back

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Speaker 7: to Christ and to the scriptures is what we need

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Speaker 7: right now. We need revival, not just a service. We

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Speaker 7: need an outpouring of God's spirit.

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Speaker 8: Can you talk about how my generation is biblically illiterate?

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Speaker 1: Can you speak to that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think your generation the generation that lead to

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Speaker 7: ninety eight percent of our church on millennials and gen zs.

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Speaker 5: But I think one of the things that.

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Speaker 7: Breaks my heart about your generation is that y'all, y'all

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Speaker 7: trusting sermons more than the scriptures. And when you biblically alliterate,

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Speaker 7: false gospel sounds like truth when you don't know the Bible.

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Speaker 7: And people who say men and throw towels and don't

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Speaker 7: even know they're being led further away from the Lord

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Speaker 7: because they don't know the scriptures.

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Speaker 1: So good, will you just we were just about out

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Speaker 1: of tom Would you lead that person that's watching right now?

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Speaker 1: Maybe you've never prayed the prayer, Maybe you're just you're

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Speaker 1: watching for whatever reason. You stop to watch and the

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Speaker 1: Lord's knocking on your heart, So would you just lead us?

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Speaker 1: Will we will repeat the prayer after you? Just a

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Speaker 1: simple prayer, yes salvation?

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Speaker 7: Yes, if you're watching right now, would you just stay

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Speaker 7: still for just a moment.

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Speaker 5: Christ is calling you, is knocking on your heart.

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Speaker 7: You could just pray this with us, Just say, Lord, Lord,

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Speaker 7: forgive me, forgive me for all of.

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Speaker 5: My sins, all of my transgressions, all my transgressions. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I surrender my life to you.

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Speaker 5: You have your way, have your way, whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: To do, whatever you want to do in Christ name.

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Speaker 1: I pray Christ prayer.

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Speaker 5: Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen. That will be the greatest prayer that you ever prayed,

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Speaker 1: and it will be the greatest decision that you've ever made. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Because the Bible talks about that we become a new

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Speaker 1: creature in Christ Jesus when we invite him in, and

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Speaker 1: that's what He's wanting to do for you. Some of

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Speaker 1: you tried everything else. It's time to try Jesus. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you you will never be the same. We're out

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Speaker 1: of time, but I want you to remember, for so

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Speaker 1: many of you, just even at this moment, Jesus was

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Speaker 1: standing at the door of your heart knocking, inviting you

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Speaker 1: into a personal relationship with him. And that's why you

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Speaker 1: prayed that prayer. And all it takes again is for

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Speaker 1: you just to open up your heart and experience new

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Speaker 1: life and transformation that only He can bring. If you're

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Speaker 1: watching today and you need prayer, you prayed that prayer.

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Speaker 1: That's why the prayer line numbers on the screen, and

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Speaker 1: we have prayer partners that are standing by. I wo'd

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Speaker 1: love to send you a free book entitled actually it's

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Speaker 1: the Book of John. There's a New Testament Matthew, Mark,

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Speaker 1: Luke and John. This is one of the Gospels and

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Speaker 1: it's a great place to start in the Word of God.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Philip Anthony Mitchell for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: What a blessing that he is. In more information, visit

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Speaker 1: him at Philip Anthony Mitchell dot com. You're believing God

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Speaker 1: for a building in Atlanta because you've just outgrown the school,

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Speaker 1: and so those of you in the Atlanta area you

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Speaker 1: need to look up his church if you want to

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Speaker 1: go to a holy ghost field, I mean church that's

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Speaker 1: on fire for God. I believe it could be such

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Speaker 1: a blessing to you. And as always, make sure to

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Speaker 1: follow us on social media. Subscribe to the YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: But the most important thing today is what Jesus has

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Speaker 1: done for you, you and for those of you that

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Speaker 1: you just need prayer. Maybe you know the Lord, but

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Speaker 1: you're hurting again. That's why that prayer line number is there.

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Speaker 1: We want to pray for you. I'm gonna thank Philip

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Speaker 1: for coming. You'll come back up today this on what's

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Speaker 1: going on in Atlanta?

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Speaker 5: Okay, testimony.

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Speaker 1: That's right, ladies said, we love this good, so good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Excited about the days

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Speaker 1: ahead for you, Thank you for watching. We love you.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 9: By Byeboard Today, Well, you know, when we look at

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Speaker 9: the Cross, we see that God can heal any brokenness,

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Speaker 9: and today's guest knows is deeply through their own trials

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Speaker 9: and triumphs.

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Speaker 1: They're here to share how God can restore even the

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Speaker 1: most hopeless situations. And of course, from her powerful new

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Speaker 1: book It's Not Beyond Hope, We're gonna tell their story.

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Speaker 1: They've told it before, but it's such a powerful testimony

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Speaker 1: I want to share with you today. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, join me around the table is our

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Speaker 1: table psychologist today who happens to be my husband. Doctor?

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Speaker 1: Do we well? HM? Welcome April Simonson? Are you?

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Speaker 10: I am great?

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Speaker 11: I love our guest and they I love some fellow

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Speaker 11: hope dealers, and they have an amazing story and anybody

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Speaker 11: who is without hope, they're going to be blessed today.

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Speaker 1: Dorothy Newton, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited excited for the guests. You know what

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Speaker 3: this story is evidence that God truly is able to

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Speaker 3: do immeasurably more than we could ever imagine. And I

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Speaker 3: just absolutely love them.

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Speaker 1: And we talked earlier. You know we're believing God for

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Speaker 1: some big things in twenty twenty five, yes, know in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, we are because He can do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Rachel am Brown, how are you? I am good? And

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Speaker 1: you know I love stories.

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Speaker 12: Stories encourage our faith, and so I know that this one,

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Speaker 12: with a lot of twist and turns, it's going to

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Speaker 12: keep people interested, but it's going to really just encourage

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Speaker 12: them and their walk for sure.

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Speaker 1: For sure. And Cindy Murdoch, my Bessie, it's always good

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Speaker 1: to have you here at the table. It's good to

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Speaker 1: be here. Such a blessing. You know our guest, I

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Speaker 1: do from way back, and they love you.

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Speaker 10: I know that as well.

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Speaker 1: Love them so much, and their story is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: You know, we serve a God of the impossible because

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Speaker 3: he absolutely did the impossible.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Kevin and Melissa Goff. Welcome, so good, so

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Speaker 1: good to have you guys here. I want to say

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Speaker 1: about these folks that they are just like Barnabas in

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Speaker 1: the Bible. They are the greatest encouragers and they stick

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Speaker 1: with you through the good times and the bad times. Well, Pastor,

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Speaker 1: Kevin and Melissa Goff's journey has been filled with incredible

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Speaker 1: eyes and heartbreaking lows, and their story is a powerful

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Speaker 1: reminder that God still does miracles today. They're here to

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Speaker 1: remind us of the depths of God's grace and mercy.

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Speaker 1: So let's just start at the beginning. I do want

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Speaker 1: to get into the book. What exactly do you cover

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Speaker 1: in the book? Melissa? Everything? It's a tell all. So

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00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: what was it like? Was it cathargic like? Writing?

660
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 13: It was painful because it's like having to pull out

661
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 13: those emotions that you experience.

662
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 10: You're relieving, reliving every.

663
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 13: Moment, and it was more difficult than I ever dreamed

664
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 13: it would be. I really it wasn't a struggle. It

665
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 13: was just actually healing. It was it was another process

666
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 13: that I think I needed to go through, and it

667
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 13: was beautiful at the end of it to see the

668
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 13: totality of God's mercy and grace and redemption and feeling.

669
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 10: Through through every chapter.

670
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: There's you know, so many This is for those of

671
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: you that are watching that you have decided that you've

672
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: made too many mistakes, You've fallen off the wagon too

673
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: many times. You are laying down right now and you

674
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: just don't feel like getting back up. When you hear

675
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Kevin and Melissa's story, you're gonna say, Okay, if they

676
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: can do that, I can do that. I can get

677
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: back into God's plan for my life. I can begin

678
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: to walk the path that He has ordained for me

679
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: that I'm not on right now. So stay right there.

680
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: Get some coffee, right, Yeah, you know we do. We

681
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: haven't had any while. But anyway, sit down. I promise

682
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna love this story. So let's start at the beginning. Here.

683
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: You are the peak case, gonna get married, Yeah, going

684
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: to the chap.

685
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 14: Exactly pretty much.

686
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, ten days out of high school.

687
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 13: We got married, and we thought we were going to

688
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 13: just rule the world and change the world, and we

689
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 13: just thought we had all the answers. He came from

690
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 13: a pastor's home. I came from a pastor's home. We're like, well,

691
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 13: let's just become pastors because we know how to do

692
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 13: everything right. So we jumped into ministry right away, and

693
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 13: we did everything the wrong way.

694
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 10: My book is all about how not to.

695
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 13: Do certain things because we know all the mistakes that

696
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 13: we made and we want to keep people from making

697
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 13: the same mistakes. But man, we just jumped into ministry,

698
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 13: and after ten years of marriage and seven years of ministry,

699
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 13: our world just imploded. It was It was really painful

700
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 13: and disastrous. He was actually diagnosed manic depressive bipolar because

701
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 13: at the end the last couple of years, I just

702
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 13: noticed some really erratical behavior.

703
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 10: He wasn't sleeping. Then he would go.

704
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 13: You know, for three days in the bed, just depressed.

705
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: And he's usually the.

706
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 13: Party animal, just you know, the life of the party,

707
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 13: but then he would just be just laying in the floor,

708
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 13: just not able to function for days. And I thought,

709
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 13: this isn't normal. These high highs and lo loos but

710
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 13: this was thirty years ago.

711
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: So many years ago. Wow, So what happened?

712
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 10: Kid?

713
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: Jarny?

714
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 15: I was at over thirty years ago. But I was

715
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 15: very aggressive as a young man. I was going to,

716
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 15: as she said, take the world by storm. And at

717
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 15: that time we were just newly in the church.

718
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 14: It was growing.

719
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 15: I had a nighttime janitorial service with thirteen buildings, we

720
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 15: had a brand new baby, we was building our first house,

721
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 15: and I was state youth director over twenty eight churches

722
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 15: youth being very driven, driven, busy, gone, gone throughout the week,

723
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 15: home on the weekends, playing dad, but not resting, not

724
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 15: resting in our marriage had unrest in the beginning, which

725
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 15: caused me to not rest more so I would say

726
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 15: sometimes an hour to three hours a night, maybe.

727
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 14: Two three weeks in a row, and just be burnt.

728
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 15: And so I would either be in bed or in

729
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 15: a fetal position and the phone ring, and I would

730
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 15: tell her, tell them I'm not here, and she would say,

731
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 15: I'm not lying for you.

732
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 14: I SOA would then tell them I'm not available.

733
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 15: I just couldn't function, and she would say, something's wrong

734
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 15: with you, And of course my response was, yes, there

735
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 15: is something wrong with you. You're driving me crazy.

736
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: Right, and so you know you have to when you're

737
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: not getting the rest that you need, when you're not

738
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: balancing things in your life. I mean, because and God

739
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: did rest on the seventh day, right, I mean after

740
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: Russia's vital.

741
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 14: Russia's more vital than water or food.

742
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so but what I'm going to say is

743
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: that it makes you vulnerable, don't you think? And so

744
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: tell us what happened.

745
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 15: Well at that point in time, because I felt she

746
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 15: was my wet blanket on any fire dream I could build,

747
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 15: I turned inwardly against her in a way that was

748
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 15: it just wasn't good, and she was my irritant, and

749
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 15: so I would I would look for her to be

750
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 15: my cheerleader and to me, she was my critical voice.

751
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 15: And so it happened at one point in time when

752
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 15: I went into the office that there was another person

753
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 15: there that would give me compliments, and it started feeling

754
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 15: good to my soul. I guess my ego, you know,

755
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 15: let's put it that way. I had to checked my

756
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 15: ego as a young man at that point in time.

757
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 15: And so in my twenties I did what you shouldn't do.

758
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 15: I had a moral failure and no one knew about it.

759
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 15: It was just something that took place in the dark,

760
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 15: and I kind of covered it up. I kind of

761
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 15: just you know, And then I got to a place

762
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 15: to where it happened again. And over the course of time,

763
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 15: I finally got away from that and I thought I.

764
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 14: Was free of it.

765
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 15: No one knew and then in the course of that

766
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 15: our marriage falling apart. Melissa then struck up a relationship

767
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 15: with somebody that wasn't appropriate, and it kind of turned

768
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 15: me on her once again, as if I had any

769
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 15: right And so.

770
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: Did she know about what was going on?

771
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 11: Now?

772
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 14: No one knew no. So so what I did was

773
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 14: I brought to light her situation.

774
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So what finally happened? Did you find out

775
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: finally about Kevin?

776
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 14: What it did?

777
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: Yes? So I was not a good Momentstmas.

778
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 5: Holidays.

779
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 10: It's kind of complicated. It all makes sense in the book.

780
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 10: But he was.

781
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 13: He had the relationship with the one lady for a

782
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 13: couple of years and that was ended well when he

783
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 13: found out about me.

784
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 10: We were like kind of.

785
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 13: Sept church didn't even know it. I wasn't living at home,

786
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 13: I was separated, and I found myself actually in a relationship,

787
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 13: not intimately, but in a relationship that somebody was feeding

788
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 13: my my longings and my heart and being a.

789
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Best friend and more like an emotional.

790
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 13: An emotional relationship. And it was a girl at that time.

791
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 13: So I was being sucked into this relationship and he

792
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 13: exposed that. And when he did that, then the light

793
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 13: got shown on his you know, his failing.

794
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, because what I.

795
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 15: Did as a godly man when I found out she

796
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 15: was talking to this girl, I just started dating the

797
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 15: girl's sister.

798
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 13: Yeah, so you were in a relationship with you can't make.

799
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 14: This stuff up.

800
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 12: Did you ever have like intimate feelings towards this girl.

801
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 13: It wasn't until after I found out about the affair.

802
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 13: When I found out about the affair, something broke inside

803
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 13: of me because I had these walls up like I can't, Yeah,

804
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 13: I can't do this.

805
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 10: This is wrong, and the exposing of.

806
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 13: All of his failures, and I was like, I didn't

807
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 13: even think that was even possible.

808
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 10: I just I lost it.

809
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 13: I just completely went into the world and I dove

810
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 13: headlong into this relationship with this girl. And so I

811
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 13: finally got past that, but then I just dove head

812
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 13: into clubbing and I got into crystal meth and drinking,

813
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 13: and the friends that I was surrounding myself with was

814
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 13: all the wrong friends, and it just led me down

815
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 13: a path of destruction.

816
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: And then where are you at this point?

817
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 12: And y'all are still married.

818
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 15: I'm actually living with the other lady. I moved in

819
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 15: and was living with different.

820
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get her boat to the cross, and.

821
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 15: Right no, I was called for the light and I

822
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 15: didn't resign. I got resigned, and so rightfully, so I

823
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 15: was actually.

824
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 14: Living with the girl.

825
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 15: And you know, fortunately enough, I was raised in church

826
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 15: and the one thing I did on Sundays went to church.

827
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 15: And even in my craziness, I was in church. I

828
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 15: had an episode that transpired that we finally said there

829
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 15: is something wrong. It was where I couldn't remember twenty

830
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 15: minutes of a blackout, and so I got psychiatrists that

831
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 15: diagnosed me many depress a bipolar disorder to put me

832
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 15: on I think twelve hundred, several hundred milligrams of lithium

833
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 15: a day.

834
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 14: It was during that time that my mind within a

835
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 14: week got right.

836
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 15: But I was in church with this girl, and I

837
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 15: would sneak in my friend's churches on the back of

838
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 15: a large church, and they would always have a nusher

839
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 15: come get us and bring us up front.

840
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 14: And you know, it's like that scarlet letter in my head.

841
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 14: No one was thinking about me. It was spiritual, egotistical.

842
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 15: And so as I was on the front road, the

843
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 15: pastor taught the difference between love and lust, probably a

844
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 15: message I taught a dozen times, but it hit me

845
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 15: that lust takes left strips, lust destroys. And I went

846
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 15: home and I told her you've got to go, You've

847
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 15: got to move. And there was a couple of confrontations

848
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 15: after that with her and my wife where they called

849
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 15: me on the carpet together and they said, you're gonna

850
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 15: have to choose. I said, there's no choice. I told

851
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 15: the girl right in front of my wife, I'll always

852
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 15: love her. Nothing's ever going to stop me I from

853
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 15: loving her.

854
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: Okay, So now where were you at that point? Because

855
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: you're not even thinking about it.

856
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 14: She thought I was still crazy.

857
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 13: I thought it was crazy, and I didn't want to

858
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 13: have anything to do with them.

859
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're crazy.

860
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 13: She's good, she's a wonderful woman. You're crazy to choose

861
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 13: me because I don't want you. Why don't you just

862
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 13: make a choice with her. She's perfect for you, she's beautiful,

863
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 13: and she's patient with you, and she's loving.

864
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: Choose her.

865
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 10: And he said, no, I love telling you that.

866
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: I just saw an Instagram post that they both did

867
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: where they're celebrating their marriage and how much they love

868
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: one another. So we are going to get there. So

869
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: stay right there, stay right there. Okay, So when did

870
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: y'all get back together? And of course you had something happen.

871
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: You talked about it last time you were on the table.

872
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: You're so brave to do so.

873
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 13: And I just so in my darkness and the spiraling

874
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 13: out of control, I was sleeping around trying to medicate

875
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 13: my pain, just trying to numb myself.

876
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 14: And we started talking and dating.

877
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 13: Yes, he definitely wanted the relationship and I knew that,

878
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 13: but I was like, absolutely not. Well, I found myself

879
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 13: pregnant and when I found out that, it was the

880
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 13: darkest moment of my life. That was the most hopeless

881
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 13: moment of my life. I just thought, I am doing

882
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 13: drugs and drinking. This baby will not be okay. I

883
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 13: don't even know who the father is at this point

884
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 13: in time.

885
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: And you have three boys, yes, you have twin boys

886
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: and then your older son.

887
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 13: Yes, and we had joint custody, so they were you know.

888
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 13: And so I just made the choice to have the abortion,

889
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 13: and it was the biggest regard of my life, and

890
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 13: it was a really painful choice. But as soon as

891
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 13: I was done, and the next day I went to

892
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 13: California because he lived in California, and I went to

893
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 13: be with the boys, and he was there to pick

894
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 13: up the pieces and love me, and he told me

895
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 13: that he would always love me, and he just he

896
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 13: healed my heart and my emotions.

897
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: So you told him you had an abortion, yes, So okay,

898
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: so take us through what you said, Kevin.

899
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 15: Yeah, we were talking about reconciling at that time. And

900
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 15: then she called me and said I can't and she

901
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 15: wouldn't tell me why. When I finally called her back,

902
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 15: she told me she was pregnant, that she was going

903
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 15: to have the abortion. I it broke my heart because

904
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 15: I knew what it would do to her. I know

905
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 15: her well enough obviously after all those years. And so

906
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 15: when she came to the house, I think it was

907
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 15: the next day or two, Yeah, and she was still

908
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 15: going through so much from the procedure. I just I

909
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 15: just found a love for her I knew would never leave.

910
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 15: And it didn't destroy it, it didn't beset it, it

911
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 15: didn't do anything, and if anything, it deepened it. To

912
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 15: think that should have been my position from the beginning.

913
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 15: It's like when fathers talked about leaving their families. Now,

914
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 15: I say, you understand that is your one responsibility is

915
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 15: to always protect all you can.

916
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 14: It don't always work.

917
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 15: And I understand that I would never put that on anyone.

918
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 15: But for me, I knew what it meant that there

919
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 15: was as much blame on me as her.

920
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 14: Because I had fail I had messed up, and.

921
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 15: Failure for me meant you've got to come full circle

922
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 15: now to God to restore what you know God can restore.

923
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 14: And fortunately enough, our story turns out that way.

924
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 15: But at that time, most people wouldn't have given us

925
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 15: any chance at all.

926
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 13: And it was that unconditional love that healed my heart,

927
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 13: healed my emotions, that said, I will never find love

928
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 13: like this. I will never find a man that loves

929
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 13: me the way that he loves me.

930
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 12: And when it didn't make sense right, that does something.

931
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 13: And so I just you know, we just started giving

932
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 13: it a chance. We started dating and having fun and

933
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 13: being friends.

934
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: And it has been almost like you started over.

935
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 10: One hundred percent.

936
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: But all the stuff that you had experienced, there was

937
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: no great, long lasting, joying happiness in the world. In

938
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: the darkness right there was.

939
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 13: There's sin, there's fun and sin for a season and

940
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 13: it was fun for a short amount of time, and

941
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 13: I thought, this is the life that man, it came.

942
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: So what's your moment for both of you with repentance,

943
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, because that's an important part of your story.

944
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely when you turned away from what you knew to

945
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: be sinned and said, okay, God, I'm all in well.

946
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 15: Like any trauma, I think you always held at different paces.

947
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 15: And for me, I went on a journey to my

948
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 15: health mentally, got healed my mind over the course of

949
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 15: the next six or seven months, and.

950
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Healed your mind.

951
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 5: He did it.

952
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 15: That's miraculous because I think doctor tell you most of

953
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 15: the time that people go and lift him on the

954
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 15: rest of their life. But I was just determined that

955
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 15: God created my mind, he could recreate it. And so

956
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 15: the Holy Spirit took me on a journey where I

957
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 15: set my time on my pager for every thirty minutes

958
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 15: and I would check my thoughts, Why I was I

959
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 15: thinking negative thoughts, depressing thoughts, angry thoughts. And after a

960
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 15: few weeks I set up for every hour. After a

961
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 15: few weeks, I said, for every two hours to this.

962
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: Day, for sure, would you come back?

963
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 15: I would go through my scriptures. I'd go through Roma's

964
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 15: twelve too, every thirty minutes. Every thirty minutes, I would

965
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 15: remind myself of Philippians four. I would remind myself of believing.

966
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 14: Every thought captive.

967
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 15: But to this day, which is thirty thirty two years later,

968
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 15: I guess first thing in the morning, when my alarm

969
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 15: goes up, it says, new your mind.

970
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 14: So that's my first process in the morning. You get

971
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 14: my mind right.

972
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 15: Then about three thirty goes off and it says tawta,

973
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 15: which means think about what you're thinking about. So I

974
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 15: stop in the middle of afternoon once again, I go

975
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 15: through my scriptures. I've done it consistently and will never

976
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 15: stop because I don't believe the average person thinks about

977
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 15: what they're thinking about. They don't realize what their emotion is,

978
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 15: what their attitude is, and why they feel that way.

979
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 15: We'd have less marriage problems, we'd have less trauma in

980
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 15: the world if people just stop and think about their thoughts.

981
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then by All talks about that daily renewing

982
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 12: your Ryan. It's not like a one stop type of deal.

983
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 12: It's like every single.

984
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: Way we're spending time in the world of God. I mean,

985
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: I know that's what we do every day. I mean,

986
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: I know we're going to go through a chapter in

987
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: the Bible. We're going to read it together, we're going

988
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: to get halfway through it, and he's gonna say, now,

989
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Tom sall have thoughts

990
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: and sometimes I want but that renewing the mind that

991
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: I know that sits well with you.

992
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's not just enough to get rid of the thought.

993
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: You get to repat it with the word of God.

994
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.

995
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 11: Some people get rid of it, but they don't have

996
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 11: any anything to combat it with.

997
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: The Word of God is powerful. So I know that

998
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: I want to get to the part of the story.

999
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: Of course, God brought you to together. You remarried, you

1000
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: got your boys, and you start another church. But this

1001
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: time you both have been through so much and God

1002
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: has done so much that you're ready. You're really ready

1003
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: to do ministry in a way that you've never done

1004
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: it before. Everything's going great, then a tragic events takes place.

1005
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: Tell us about that.

1006
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 15: Yeah, we were out visiting a family about four months

1007
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 15: after starting the rock and we were in a little

1008
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 15: sports car, little Geostorm, and as we were on our

1009
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 15: way home that night, summer boys were out of school,

1010
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 15: so we started kind of late with some friends.

1011
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: They argued who would sit in the back right.

1012
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 14: There was an.

1013
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 15: Argument between the older brother who would set in the

1014
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 15: middle where they could see between the bucket seats, so

1015
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 15: he moved Brandon, our twins son, over to the other

1016
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 15: side where he would have been sitting. About fifteen minutes later,

1017
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 15: going through an intersection, a diesel truck around red light

1018
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 15: and hit our car, broke her neck in two places,

1019
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 15: broke her back in three places, shattered every bone in

1020
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 15: her face, practically every bone, and it killed our nine

1021
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 15: year old twin son, Brandon. It was a tragedy that

1022
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 15: you would never expect to happen to your family, in

1023
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 15: a pain that you can't describe even even all these

1024
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 15: years later.

1025
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 14: This year July will be twenty eight years.

1026
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: Twenty eight years. I know we've got pictures. I want

1027
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: to put those up of Melissa in the hospital. Amazingly,

1028
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: you and your two other sons, you had injuries, but not.

1029
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 14: Like no, nothing like her.

1030
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: They didn't even know if Melissa would survive.

1031
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 15: Right the next few days. A couple of days she

1032
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 15: was in death's door. Really, they didn't know what would happen.

1033
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 15: And after a couple of days she was stabilized. In fact,

1034
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 15: when the funeral took place six days later, she got

1035
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 15: a two hour pass and the ambulance and a body cast.

1036
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 15: A lay on the front row of her son's funeral.

1037
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: So when you came in to see her, she was

1038
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: cognitive enough that she knew Brandon had been hurt.

1039
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 15: Yeah, her dad had told her Brandon had been hurt.

1040
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 15: So when I walked into the room and she kind

1041
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 15: of leaned up, she had hoses and lines and.

1042
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 14: It was terrible.

1043
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: She was swollen.

1044
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's terribly swollen.

1045
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 15: And so when she looked up, she could just whisper

1046
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 15: through the two younger girls, was Brandon.

1047
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 14: And I didn't have to say anything.

1048
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 15: And I've always said I I never knew pain could

1049
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 15: have the sound that came out of this moment, this

1050
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 15: this little dainty woman, this sound that came out, and

1051
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 15: she raised up by the bed and there was just

1052
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 15: this this pain that was amazing, and she started to

1053
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 15: put your head. Yeah, I just tripped my head and

1054
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 15: she just started pulling lines and screaming, and they had

1055
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 15: to sedator because she just thought of I can get

1056
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 15: to my boy, He'll be all right.

1057
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1058
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 13: And so I had to reconstructive surgeries. They had to

1059
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 13: cut me from ear to ear and pull my face

1060
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 13: off twice to reconstruct my face. Because I had no

1061
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 13: cartilage left in my nose, they had to reconstruct and

1062
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 13: graft bone from my skull to recreate a nose.

1063
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 10: And so I'm going by.

1064
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: The way they did it beautiful. Can I just tell

1065
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: you you're absolutely gorgeous. I know, I mean even your back,

1066
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: the damage to that, you wouldn't think you'd be able

1067
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: to walk exactly.

1068
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 10: They have rods down my enter.

1069
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 14: She said she'd be limited, but they didn't know who

1070
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 14: they was talking.

1071
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: To you right right, And you're one of the most

1072
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: effective girls. I know. There is no living your something.

1073
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Okay, So you take how long to recover?

1074
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: Because this was a long recovery, A lot of surgeries.

1075
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 10: And so.

1076
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 13: You know, and I say, as broken as my body was,

1077
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 13: there was no comparison to the heart that was broken

1078
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 13: that was harder to heal than my body, even though

1079
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 13: I had massive surgeries to recover from. It was the

1080
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 13: emotional pain that was most difficult to recover from. But

1081
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 13: it was about a year and a half of surgery

1082
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 13: after surgery, after surgery, I had a bed in my

1083
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 13: front room because we had a two story house and

1084
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 13: I couldn't go up and down the stairs. So I

1085
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 13: lived in a hospital bed in my.

1086
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: Front room for a while a year and a half.

1087
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: So the boys got to see all of that. But

1088
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: the other thing they got to see, Kevin, is your

1089
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: stability insteadfastness through this most horrible storm that you went through.

1090
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: You weren't going back to the mistakes you had made before.

1091
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 15: No, and I think people, no doubt, people were looking

1092
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 15: at me with almost the eyes of judgment, like, will

1093
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 15: he survived this canny?

1094
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 14: Will he go back off the rails?

1095
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 15: And that's when I think two things were proven. One

1096
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 15: was God healed my mind completely. Number two, he super

1097
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Speaker 15: glued us back together because the divorce rate after the

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Speaker 15: loss of a child is extensive, let alone already having

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Speaker 15: the baggage we had.

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Speaker 14: But you know, for me, it was hard.

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Speaker 15: Obviously, once again we had to heal the different paces

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Speaker 15: because she was in morphine and all that she went through,

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Speaker 15: So she didn't get to go to the hospital stay goodbye.

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Speaker 14: She only got to go to the funeral for two hours.

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Speaker 15: She didn't get to the graveside, so she had to

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Speaker 15: heal a different pace and a.

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Speaker 14: Different time than I.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, the story I'm going to ask you

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Speaker 1: about is like my favorite story that you share is

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Speaker 1: you were really broken hearted and trying to get back

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Speaker 1: to life and the two voys you had and the

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Speaker 1: ministry and your husband, but it was just such a

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Speaker 1: deep loss and you you were mourning that you didn't

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Speaker 1: get to say goodbye to him, that you didn't, you know,

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Speaker 1: go to the graveside, et cetera, et cetera. So the

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Speaker 1: Lord gave you a unique experience. So why don't you

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Speaker 1: tell everybody about it?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 13: I was having a pity party for myself because I

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Speaker 13: didn't get the closure that I thought I deserved. And

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Speaker 13: so I had a dream and the back door there

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Speaker 13: was a knock, and so I went to the back

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Speaker 13: door and I opened it up and there was Brandon.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, how real? Was this,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was.

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Speaker 13: In this moment, I'm living reality. I'm like, Brandon, you

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Speaker 13: are back. Oh my gosh, you're back. And I grab

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Speaker 13: him and he's looked up at me hat this cute little.

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Speaker 10: Smile and he's like, he let me come see you

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Speaker 10: for a little while.

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Speaker 13: And I was like, okay, I don't care. I'm just thinking,

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Speaker 13: I don't care if it's just for a little while,

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Speaker 13: as long as I get a moment with you. So

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Speaker 13: I grab him, I walk him over to the couch

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Speaker 13: and we're sitting there together and I look at him

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Speaker 13: and I was like, mys, she so much. I just

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Speaker 13: want to go be with you. And he said, I know,

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Speaker 13: but we're going to get to be together forever. And

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Speaker 13: I said I know. I said, but are you okay?

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Speaker 13: I mean, how are you? Are you okay? Because in

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Speaker 13: my mommy's mind, I'm thinking he's missing me as much

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Speaker 13: as I'm missing him, you know, because he was a

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Speaker 13: mama's boy and he's nine, and I'm thinking he's wondering

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Speaker 13: the streets of gold, wondering where his mom is at.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I know he has Jesus, but he needs, you know.

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Speaker 13: And so I'm just like, are you okay, and he

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Speaker 13: just looked at me, and when he started smiling, there

1149
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 13: was like a radiating glow that was just bright around

1150
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Speaker 13: his head, and the smile that took over his face

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Speaker 13: that a joy like I had never seen or experienced

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Speaker 13: with Brandon, and he was always a happy little boy.

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Speaker 1: And he just started.

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Speaker 13: Saying, Mommy, it is so wonderful. I can't tell you

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Speaker 13: how wonderful it is. And with that smile and that

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Speaker 13: radiating joy that was coming out of him, it was

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Speaker 13: like this something just melted.

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Speaker 10: My heart as a mom.

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Speaker 13: And I knew he was in a place that I

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Speaker 13: couldn't ever even want him back from. I was like,

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Speaker 13: I've never seen Brandon like this, this happy, and I

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Speaker 13: knew he was okay, and it was like it just

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Speaker 13: brought peace to my heart. And so then I just

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Speaker 13: took him and I started rocking him and I was

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Speaker 13: singing songs to him, and I ran my fingers through

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Speaker 13: his hair and kissed his little face, and the sun

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Speaker 13: started coming up, and he said, he told me when

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Speaker 13: the sun came up, I had to go back, and

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Speaker 13: so I walked him to the back door and I

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Speaker 13: kissed his little forehead and I shut the back Arcadia door.

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Speaker 10: And when I did that.

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Speaker 13: Immediately I woke up and I was like, wait, my gosh,

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Speaker 13: that wasn't real.

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Speaker 10: It was that real that that wasn't a dream. There's

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Speaker 10: no way. I felt him.

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Speaker 13: I smelt him, I held him, I felt his hair,

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Speaker 13: his skin, I kissed his face.

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Speaker 10: There there was the reality was so real, it was tangible.

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Speaker 13: And I was like, nobody will ever convince me God

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Speaker 13: did not give me that visitation.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can ever take that away from him that moment,

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00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: because then the peace came and God actually healed your

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Speaker 1: heart through that experience. And you know, Kevin and she

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Speaker 1: was talking, I thought, you know what Brandon and said

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Speaker 1: to her as he said, well, Mom, we've got eternity

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Speaker 1: to spend together. But there's some of you watching right now,

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Speaker 1: and you don't know if you were to die today

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00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: or tomorrow where you would spend eternity. Would you just

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Speaker 1: take a moment, Kevin, and just lead our audience in

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Speaker 1: a simple prayer we'll repeat after you. And why is

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Speaker 1: that decision so important for people watching right now?

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Speaker 14: Sure?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well we know from our own experience not only

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Speaker 15: not only being raised in church, which I don't think

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Speaker 15: is actually a benefit at times, but knowing God as

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Speaker 15: we do now, we know what life is without him,

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Speaker 15: we know what life is with him. And so that's

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Speaker 15: the opportunity you have right now, is just to repeat

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Speaker 15: this prayer to receive Jesus as your lord. So I'm

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Speaker 15: going to pray this prayer and we know it works,

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Speaker 15: and we know that Jesus will walk it out with you.

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Speaker 14: So you just repeat after me as we pray. Father,

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Speaker 14: we love you, We thank you for your son, Thank

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Speaker 14: you for Jesus. Jesus, I believe in you, believe you.

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Speaker 15: I believe you are the Son of God. I confess

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Speaker 15: you as my Lord.

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Speaker 14: Forgive me for my sin and my wrongs. Make me new,

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Speaker 14: make me new. I receive you this day. I receive

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Speaker 14: you this Jesus name Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Amen. And it's just that simple. I mean, it's not hard.

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Speaker 1: And some of you you have been looking, you've been

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Speaker 1: searching for something, and I just challenge you to give

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Speaker 1: Jesus an opportunity today if you prayed that prayer in

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Speaker 1: a minute, we'd love to send you a free book

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Speaker 1: that is the Gospel of John from the Bible, and

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Speaker 1: it's a great place to start in the Word of God.

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Speaker 1: And that's just our gift for free because we want

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Speaker 1: to just start you out on this journey in the

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Speaker 1: right way. Well, that's all the time we have for

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Speaker 1: I want you to remember that God is into business

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Speaker 1: of restoration. You have to say that when you hear

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Speaker 1: this story, no matter how broken things may seem, his

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Speaker 1: love can heal the deepest wounds and He's faithful to

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Speaker 1: bring us through every storm. If you're watching today, maybe

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Speaker 1: you need prayer for something else. Maybe you pray that prayer.

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Speaker 1: That's why that prayer line number is on the screen.

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Speaker 1: We have prayer partners that are standing by ready to

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Speaker 1: pray for you. But I do want to thank my

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Speaker 1: dear friends Kevin and Melissa for joining us today. To

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Speaker 1: get a copy of her book, you need to get it.

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Speaker 1: She tells all the details, she told us lots of stories.

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Speaker 1: It's not beyond hope. And to know more about their ministry,

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Speaker 1: you can visit The ROCKUSA dot com. Do you all

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Speaker 1: go and speak like at other churches, so they would

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Speaker 1: be so great to come and share and I know

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00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: you'd love to get in touch with them. Of course,

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00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: as always, make sure to follow us on all social media,

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1240
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: your life. We love hearing from you. Of course, you

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Speaker 1: now on all major platforms. Thank you so much. I

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Speaker 1: always say ladies, but I can say thank you ladies

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Speaker 1: and husband over there, doctor Doug Weiss, Thank you, Kevin

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Speaker 1: and Melissa. We love you. One is good. So we

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00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: didn't get to say much, but it was such a

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Speaker 1: great story, such a great story. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Bye bye for today.