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Speaker 1: Really readily, donks. It is Monday, August fifth, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and it's time for Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I am the host of this program along with my

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Speaker 1: co host, you know this man very well from CBS

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Speaker 1: Sports and a bunch of other places, is Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Y'all fired up, fired up, MK ultra back coming at you.

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Speaker 1: We've got fired up Brian, not hung over, Brian. Huh Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't really speak about your personal life on air.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where you're going with that one, right there?

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Speaker 1: All right? Ready to just this morning? Yeah, let's do that. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I don't say this before we get to the first topic.

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Speaker 1: A surprisingly busy weekend. Actually there's a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: In the past summertime outside of that UFC early July

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Speaker 2: fourth of July week normally nothing going on, but really

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Speaker 2: speaks to where I'm a man boxing is at this

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Speaker 2: year and are in twenty nineteen, that things are businesses moving.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the first order of business if we can.

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Speaker 1: You know what we're going to start UFC two forty one.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me post uf two forty one. YOUFC on ESPN

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Speaker 1: five Chaos was here Colby Covington, just down the street

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Speaker 1: from where we are, defeats Robbie Lawler fifty to forty

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Speaker 1: five on all three judges scorecards. Now appears to be

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Speaker 1: an all likelihood your runaway contender for the next title

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Speaker 1: shot against Kamar Usman. They brought him up on stage.

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Speaker 1: They had to have a row of security there.

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Speaker 2: It was Rashot Evans almostarted in too, Dave Shaller trying

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Speaker 2: to say what.

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Speaker 1: He'd probably do a bit of a better job before

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Speaker 1: being on shots to Dave shaw.

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Speaker 2: Takes all a strong hair part these days that you

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Speaker 2: gotta give Seant Evans too.

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Speaker 1: At any event. So let's get to this. What did

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Speaker 1: we learn about Colby Covington. I'll go first on this

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Speaker 1: one if I.

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Speaker 3: Man, hey, it's your show? Why not?

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's our show in any event, Actually it's

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Speaker 1: their show too, Okay, So what did we learn first?

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Speaker 1: Here's what I learned. This might be the first fight

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Speaker 1: where the MMA media begrudgingly accepted that he's actually pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Let me just sort of stick this out loud. There

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Speaker 1: is Look, there's nothing wrong I think with letting your

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Speaker 1: political views be brought to bear. Colby Covington's doing that

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Speaker 1: but you have to always make sure that that doesn't

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Speaker 1: influence the way you assess how good a fighter is.

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Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I believe that not across the board,

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Speaker 1: but in general. The amount of vitriol they have for

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Speaker 1: Colby Coventon's views in the media, it has blinded them

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Speaker 1: to actually how good he is. He's been this good

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Speaker 1: for a while. They just didn't want to accept it.

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Speaker 1: This was the one, but they were like, will you

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Speaker 1: bet Robie Lawler even at thirty seven, not prime but

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Speaker 1: still very very good. They finally had to accept gulp.

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Speaker 1: I find Colby's political views odious as well, but I

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Speaker 1: am the first person to be like, yo, that dude

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Speaker 1: is awesome. He's very, very talented, and honestly, I did

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Speaker 1: this on Dissected Brian that fight against kamar Usman is

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Speaker 1: ultra competitive. You may have just seen the next UFC

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Speaker 1: walter Way champions. So for me, what do we learn

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Speaker 1: about Colby Chaos Conington. He's a serious threat to the

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Speaker 1: throne at one hundred and seventy, not by virtue of

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Speaker 1: being the top contender, but because of actually how legitimately

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you may not like his paint brushes, his choice

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Speaker 2: of colors, his easel, but he painted a masterpiece on

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Speaker 2: Saturday against Lawler, And you're right, this is that moment

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Speaker 2: where you got to step up and whether you hate

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Speaker 2: him for the right reasons, whether you hate him in general,

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Speaker 2: all of that, you got to give him his due.

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Speaker 3: It's very reminiscent. They're not the same fighters.

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Speaker 2: It's not equal comparison, but very reminiscent to Connor McGregor

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Speaker 2: against Chad Mendes.

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Speaker 1: We're up to that point.

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Speaker 2: It was, you know, when we finally see him against

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Speaker 2: this style, we can prove that he's just a trash talker,

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Speaker 2: we can prove that he's not legit, we can prove

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Speaker 2: that maybe he's just a puncher. So it sort of

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Speaker 2: had that same error where when you saw that and

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Speaker 2: I know Chad Mendis took that fight late, but that

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Speaker 2: that was when I think a lot of people were like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: get ready, the Connor McGregor era is here.

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Speaker 1: Like it or not.

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Speaker 2: This is a much different situation because of the personality

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Speaker 2: at stake, because Colby wants you to hate him. If

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Speaker 2: you're upset about anything he said on Saturday, that means

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Speaker 2: he won that Matt Hughes joke distasteful, yes, well timed perfectly.

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Speaker 2: He wants you to hate him on that level. His

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Speaker 2: public workout had scantily clad women. He's telling everyone, including

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Speaker 2: me in fight week, I got the best cardio in

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Speaker 2: the game because of what I do in the bedroom.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, porn star cardio, wake up. This is great

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Speaker 1: for the sport. Not good for the sport. Great for

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Speaker 2: To have a button pusher like this, But for that aside,

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Speaker 3: This first question is really about what he did in

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Speaker 3: that cage.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he established himself as a too true title contender.

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Speaker 2: We cannot take that away from him. But because of

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Speaker 2: his polarizing nature, I'm sure you had this happen too,

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Speaker 2: because you're a lightning rod for controversy no matter what

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Speaker 2: on social media. But me, I don't put out there

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Speaker 2: that I voted for Nader in ninety six and two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I did, though, did you really?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 2: But once I put out there that Colby Covington painted

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Speaker 2: a masterpiece and he looked great, And now we have

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Speaker 2: to respect him. Man, you would think I did that

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Speaker 2: with like a serpent on my chest and a machine

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm just talking about what

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Speaker 1: he did in the cage. Yeah, it was so funny

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Speaker 1: to watch this because look, Robbi Lawler is thirty seven.

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Speaker 1: Am I suggesting Brian that Robbie Lawler is in his prime? Well,

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Speaker 1: of course not. No, he is not in his prime.

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Speaker 1: To that point, I had Robbie Lawler on my show

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Speaker 1: have you stayed this good? This relevant? Frankly, this healthy

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Speaker 1: for his eighteen year pro career. That's how long he's

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Speaker 1: very long time. And look, father time comes for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Am I willing to look at this and say that

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Speaker 1: Colby beat the very best version of Robby Lawler we've

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Speaker 1: ever seen? No? He did not. Am I also willing

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Speaker 1: to probably bet because there's no really way to know this.

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Speaker 1: Colby Coveton gives the very best version of Robby Lawler. Fits, yes,

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Speaker 1: because look at how he does it. Look at how

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Speaker 1: He's good enough to beat any welter waite. That's a fact.

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Speaker 1: Colby Covington is good I mean he will. By the way,

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Speaker 1: do let me say he's good enough, doesn't mean he will.

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Speaker 1: I'm not predicting he goes out there and just blows

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Speaker 1: the doors off everybody. But does he have the skills?

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Speaker 1: Does he have the cardio? Does he have the experience?

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Speaker 1: Now two beats any welterweight in the Ultimate Fighting Championship?

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Speaker 1: Nay on earth? Yeah, let me give him. Let me

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Speaker 2: This shout out here had him on my podcast Stay

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Speaker 2: of Combat on CBS Sports last week, like that little

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Speaker 3: Right, so check it out, you know.

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, the point is I said to him, Look, Kolby,

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Speaker 2: you know the questions coming in in this fight. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You're probably gonna be able to take Robbie down. You're

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Speaker 2: probably gonna be able to control large chunks of this fight.

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Speaker 2: What happens if he stuffs your takedowns? What happens if

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Speaker 2: this becomes a striking matches when it comes to kickboxing

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Speaker 2: slash boxing match. And of course he said the right things.

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Speaker 2: He said, I had a chance to show you how

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Speaker 2: well rounded I actually am. You gotta give him that

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Speaker 2: credit here. A good deal of the second half of

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Speaker 2: that fight was on the feed.

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Speaker 1: From the second round on. They were striking and Toby

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Speaker 2: He did it with volume, he did it with smarts,

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Speaker 2: and we were waiting this whole time it over rounds two, three, four,

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Speaker 2: Jones for that tweet that we were all thinking, you know,

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Speaker 2: you let the world down, Robby Lawler. But the point

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Speaker 2: is we're way for that boom to come, and it

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Speaker 2: never came. Is it because Lawler's thirty seven? No? Is

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Speaker 2: it because Coldby worked so hard to bleed his guess?

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Speaker 2: Think probably? But I think Colby at least established something

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Speaker 2: in Robbie's mind that if you gopher broke, if you

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Speaker 2: do the one thing everybody watching at home, regardless of

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Speaker 2: their political views of screaming Robbie, let the hands go, brother,

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Speaker 2: bring the pain, be that guy be ruthless. Colby gave

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Speaker 2: give Colby that credit there, Liz.

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Speaker 1: And also, how can you expect Robbi Lawler to get

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Speaker 1: off with some kind of big shot when Colby Covington

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Speaker 1: literally attempted more strikes in this fight than any other

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Speaker 1: five hundred plus attempted strikes. The idea is that not

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Speaker 1: every single one causes a maximum amount of damage. But

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Speaker 1: how can you ever get started? How can you.

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Speaker 2: Ever Robby looked like Woodley did against Usmann. Wasn't that

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: You're waiting for Woodley to wake up and go for

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Speaker 2: broke and it was never there.

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Speaker 1: Because he's spamming you with offense. How can you get

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Speaker 1: your defense beyond just stage one? Stage?

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Speaker 2: It's like when you try to illegally stream a pay

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Speaker 2: per view and you got all these like Russian sex

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Speaker 2: things dropping up on your laptop.

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Speaker 1: It's the same time you got to get a Mac.

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Speaker 1: They have less of the spamware that you're affected by.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's the good news for Robbie. Can I deliver

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Speaker 2: some bad news? I'm sorry, good news for Colby, And

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Speaker 2: so here's the deal. Yeah, that was fantastic. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: have to praise him right now. Same time, Luke, I

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Speaker 2: think we just saw his ceiling. I think we just

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Speaker 2: saw as great as Colby Covington can be.

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Speaker 1: Right, we knew we can beat the B.

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Speaker 2: Minus is the B plus maybe even an A minus

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Speaker 2: depending on where you sort of rated RDA.

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Speaker 1: Come into that last fight and this.

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Speaker 2: Rejuvenated version of Robbie Lawler, there are some bad parts

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Speaker 2: about that. He couldn't finish Lawler, he didn't try to

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Speaker 2: finish Lawler. So now when I look at what happens

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Speaker 2: now when Colby moves up to the elite level, the

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Speaker 2: truly elite level, the top of the pops here the

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Speaker 2: kamaro usmans, I don't think he has it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the deal. Remember right what I said,

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Speaker 1: on any given night, Colby has the ability, the gas tank,

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Speaker 1: the willingness to know how to beat any welter. Right now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he will. What's funny, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is that he and Kamarrow are actually really similar fighters.

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Speaker 1: There's a pretty key difference. If you want to know

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Speaker 2: You're some of your parts guy, You've put it all

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Speaker 2: This card, Yeah, Colby Covington, So you get ready for

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Speaker 2: The best thing that can happen to UFC if Usman

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Speaker 1: The question is how ugly is it going to get? How?

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Speaker 1: But he said vicious things about his wife, things like that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Though, if Colby is exactly who I'm sort of saying

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Speaker 3: So here's the deal. They have a chance to what

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Speaker 2: career was make stars out of other people. So one

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Speaker 2: thing when he retired, some really smart people like Chuck

431
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Speaker 2: Mindenhall wrote in pieces in columns.

432
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Speaker 1: They said, the.

433
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Speaker 2: Best move chaill Son ever did was make Anderson Silva

434
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Speaker 2: sort of a charismatic crossover type of star from being

435
00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,640
Speaker 2: such a villain in his face.

436
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,800
Speaker 1: I wonder if Colby can consistently do that. We'll have

437
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,399
Speaker 1: to say level for them, all right, Well, speaking of

438
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,400
Speaker 1: somebody who won't be a star in the UFC anymore,

439
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,240
Speaker 1: because they're not going to be in the UFC star

440
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,159
Speaker 1: we moved down to Chris Cyborg. Where does the story

441
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Speaker 1: even begin. It's actually hard to say. I would actually

442
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Speaker 1: argue goes all the way back to Baltimore in twenty

443
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Speaker 1: fifteen or fourteen. But here's the story as we understand it.

444
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Speaker 1: On Friday, Lori Cenko sat down with UFC President Dana

445
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Speaker 1: White and did an interview. And in that interview, Dana

446
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,919
Speaker 1: White makes a series of claims and also just a

447
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,879
Speaker 1: outright proclamation that the UFC is no longer Brian in

448
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Speaker 1: the Cyborg business. She was for folksmen to understand she

449
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,600
Speaker 1: had finished the fights on her deal. But UFC contract

450
00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,760
Speaker 1: work in such a way where if you're not the champion,

451
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Speaker 1: although that's a different scenario, but if you're not, they

452
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Speaker 1: have ninety days to exclusively negotiate with you. Nobody else

453
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Speaker 1: can come in and make you an offer. Now, when

454
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Speaker 1: that window expires, everybody gets a shot. They waived that

455
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Speaker 1: ninety days and said they're not even going to attempt

456
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Speaker 1: to match. We're done, We're out of here. I will

457
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Speaker 1: go to you first on this one. Your reaction to

458
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Speaker 1: the news was so, if she right to do it,

459
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,280
Speaker 1: is it the good thing? How do you assess what happened?

460
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Speaker 3: My reaction to the news was disappointment.

461
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Speaker 2: If I'm looking at this as a whole, as a sport,

462
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Speaker 2: because the right fight for Cyborg's legacy of what she

463
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Speaker 2: has left is a rematch with Nunyaz. It's a chance

464
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Speaker 2: to run back that sort of passing of the torch

465
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Speaker 2: of the women's greatest of all time, whether you believe

466
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Speaker 2: in that or not. So I'm sad as a fan

467
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 2: to see that happen, But things have happened to almost

468
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Speaker 2: make it necessary. I'm almost at the point where even

469
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Speaker 2: I'm getting little sick of the soap opera. If you

470
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Speaker 2: can't get along, then maybe just move on. Cyborg still

471
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Speaker 2: has a window to make a lot of money, like

472
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Speaker 2: I said, whether it's belat or pro wrestling, boxing, all

473
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Speaker 2: that stuff.

474
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Speaker 3: But here's what's interesting.

475
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Speaker 2: Up until this point, Cyborg had done such a great

476
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Speaker 2: job at making us believe that this soap opera was

477
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Speaker 2: completely one sided, that it was Dana White as a

478
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Speaker 2: history of talking bad about her, and now he's saying

479
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Speaker 2: that she doesn't want the rematch, and now.

480
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, blah blah blah.

481
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Speaker 2: I think she screwed up by having our team put

482
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Speaker 2: out that video. Whoever's decision. It was the video of

483
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Speaker 2: the edited backstage conversation that I'm sure Dana maybe didn't

484
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Speaker 2: know the cameras were on, whatever, But you know that

485
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Speaker 2: they edited it in a way with those subtitles on

486
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Speaker 2: the screen that didn't seem to accurately portray what Dana

487
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Speaker 2: was saying and seemed to almost make you think he

488
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Speaker 2: was saying two other separate things that were bad in

489
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Speaker 2: his case. I know she's publicly sort of put you know,

490
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Speaker 2: said she was sorry in that, but that almost puts

491
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Speaker 2: power back on data side in this and look, in reality,

492
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Speaker 2: this is some stupid soap opera. We're trying to figure

493
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Speaker 2: out who really said bad things about each other. The

494
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Speaker 2: problem probably was at the negotiation table, probably more with

495
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Speaker 2: their team.

496
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Speaker 1: But this took away me.

497
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Speaker 2: Feeling almost one hundred percent bad for her because I

498
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Speaker 2: know the history of data and what he says. Now

499
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Speaker 2: I just feel like it's it's this weird soap opera

500
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Speaker 2: that needs to end. And by the way, in terms

501
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Speaker 2: of that video, whether it's Laura Senko or Megan to Leave,

502
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Speaker 2: they do a great job. But can we not open

503
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Speaker 2: the video by saying, thank you so much Data for

504
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Speaker 2: your time.

505
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Speaker 3: I know you're so busy.

506
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Speaker 2: Dana called for that camera to put on there because

507
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Speaker 2: he trashed out on the cydebord.

508
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Speaker 1: He kind of trashed ESPN and their.

509
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Speaker 3: E sixty report too, the outside the line, cross side

510
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Speaker 3: the line.

511
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Speaker 2: So this is him basically dropping a big dump with

512
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Speaker 2: a UFC camera right there.

513
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Speaker 1: He called for it.

514
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Speaker 2: It doesn't even need a host. He can just set

515
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Speaker 2: it up a webcam in his bathroom.

516
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Speaker 1: Fa No, it's not like a media outlet like requested

517
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Speaker 1: time and he like, well, let me carve out fifteen

518
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Speaker 1: minutes for you. They called her. We're like, yo, show up,

519
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 1: We're going to do this in any event.

520
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Speaker 2: So it's bad for fans. But at this point do

521
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Speaker 2: you agree with me where it's like I don't even

522
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Speaker 2: care anymore.

523
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: Just break apart your parents together. Yes see, I come

524
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 1: from divorced parents. Shocker. I'm sure that was a major

525
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: surprise to everyone that I'm broken like that. In all

526
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 1: fairness though, like people look, divorce is never a great thing.

527
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Speaker 1: And this is sort of like a bit of a

528
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Speaker 1: poditioning way to make the point, but there are just

529
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Speaker 1: certain entities, certain people they just cannot get along. Trying

530
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Speaker 1: to make them get along, it only exacerbates the detensions,

531
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: the problems, and then there becomes all manner of collateral damage.

532
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 1: They absolutely need to move on. I will say this though,

533
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,719
Speaker 1: about the video Cyborg put out. Look, it was nakedly

534
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Speaker 1: duplicitous to do that. Whether it was her call or

535
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Speaker 1: her production team's call, whoever's call it was, you fed

536
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Speaker 1: up because I don't think it's like fifty to fifty

537
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: both sides are equal to blame. To me, it's much

538
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: more Dana Whites to blame. But when you do this,

539
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: particularly at the juncture what you're getting released, and now

540
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: you're having to come out and say you apologize. God,

541
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: the optics are so bad. You end up looking like

542
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: it's a completely equal scenario. When it's not. Remember what

543
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: I said before about Kobe and Kamara. When it's gone

544
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 1: too far, when it bleeds into the audience. This is

545
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: the one thing about Data that just I just can't

546
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: wrap my head around is his inability to recognize the

547
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 1: power of his own statements. He loves it when his

548
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: statements are listened to and everyone snaps their heels and

549
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 1: jumps that attention and the world says, yes, Dana, you're

550
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: so right. But then when he diminishes somebody and insults them,

551
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: he wants to say I didn't do anything. It's like,

552
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: you can't have it both ways. You're the most powerful

553
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: guy or you're not. Back at that scrum in Baltimore,

554
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: you can hear on the video two it is me

555
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: and Errajjwane and John Morgan questioning him about this. I

556
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: was there. You can hear my voice on the two

557
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: big questions.

558
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Speaker 2: Was John Morgan wearing the blue shirt? And was he

559
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 2: allowed to ask the first go does he.

560
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Speaker 1: Not ever wear the blue shirt? I mean, there's a

561
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Speaker 1: bear shit in the woods. But the point being is

562
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: when we go through the video, you can hear us

563
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: talk to him about it. He was not taken out

564
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 1: of context. You can go and watch it in context.

565
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: It is not in any way, shape or form exonerating.

566
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: In fact, he brings it up without provocation. And the

567
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 1: point being is when Cyborg is saying her kid is

568
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: getting bullied at school, dude, that is not an accident.

569
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: That did not just happen, and people get emboldened to

570
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: say things. Yes, because kids are animals, and also because

571
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Speaker 1: there has been from the top down a culture created

572
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Speaker 1: where Cyborg gets to get bullied to the point where

573
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Speaker 1: she's having to fistfight Angela mcgania at the fire or retreat.

574
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: That started somewhere. It didn't start just There wasn't some

575
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: big bang where people just decided let's do this to Cyborg.

576
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: People in high positions normalized it, and it got tracked.

577
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: It trickled down.

578
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Speaker 3: Do you want to throw some blame Miranda for this?

579
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: Sure? Absolutely calling her and it's like again, I get it,

580
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: I get it. People in the fight game say nasty

581
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: things to each other. But when it starts affecting other people,

582
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: that's when you gotta look around and say, maybe take

583
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: some culpability here, Maybe say, you know what, for someone

584
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: I want to do business with, maybe I shouldn't call

585
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: this person incredibly disparaging things down the line, because it'll

586
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: have lasting consequences beyond just the parties involved, and it

587
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: will make getting business done difficult. Maybe maybe don't sow

588
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: seeds of discontent from day one, and we won't have

589
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: to be in the position where you're explaining to Laura

590
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: Sanko why you're letting a person.

591
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Speaker 3: Go with everything that you just said, And you are correct.

592
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 1: I'll agree with you on that.

593
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: Did you like seeing old school fiery angry Dana back?

594
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: That was like two thousand and nine Dana was resurrected.

595
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: I mean they had the full screen graphics ready with

596
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Speaker 2: the quotes, they had video they were thrown too. This

597
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: was like angry Dana ready to like swear out somebody.

598
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sure, I don't love it or hate it.

599
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: It's just the choice that he makes.

600
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Speaker 2: Do you think he listens to the metal band you

601
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Speaker 2: do called Dying Children.

602
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: Dying Fetus. I'm fact like this band is some marginal

603
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: dirtbag band. This is one of the best bands in metal.

604
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 3: See you having more in common than you realize.

605
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Speaker 1: I know that you think headbanging to Matchbox twenty is

606
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: like apex masculinity. Wow. But on this side of the table,

607
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: we get busy with actual metal. Okay, in any event,

608
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: moving on, so we'll see what happens there by the

609
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: way she go to beltwor PFL. You think.

610
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: The fight, the fight is Kayla Harrison at this point,

611
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: so but they should go there, she f I Julia

612
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Speaker 2: Budd if I'm.

613
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: Going to Padana's right that she avoided the new Nests

614
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: fight to fight like the PAMs hoursons in the world.

615
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: Juli Budd, it's a legitimate contender, But my hunch is

616
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: that she's going to head towards bell.

617
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: Fight doesn't move me. And here's the problem. Kayla Harrison

618
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: might be the only fight.

619
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: That moves me.

620
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the cyborg, the attraction against anybody move me to

621
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: a degree, but it will get old after awhile. So really,

622
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: the Kayla Harrison, I'd like to see her go to boxing.

623
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Speaker 2: I'd like her to see her use her name to

624
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: inject that in the In the Fledgeling women's game in boxing,

625
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: which finally has a couple of stars. I know they're

626
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: not all equal in weight, but we finally have three

627
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: or four women that we would at least know who

628
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: they are when you say their name.

629
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Speaker 3: So I wouldn't mind seeing that potential.

630
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Speaker 1: All right, Speaking of seeing the next fight in women's

631
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: well title history in this particular case upcoming this coming weekend.

632
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: I believe the UFC heads to Urtuguay. I believe Montevideo

633
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: you can just call it Uruguay. You and John Annack

634
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: doing the urdu. I M come on, that's how it's pronounced.

635
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: I mean, where this is America, I don't I'm not

636
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: trying to go all Colby, but if you ask.

637
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Speaker 1: People how do you pronounce Uguay from Uruguay, they're gonna

638
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 1: say Uruguay. That's how you probab it Uruguay. All right,

639
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: but it's actually not Uruguay. It's actually Uguay. That's how

640
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: you say it, you know that, right. Repeating how Native

641
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: speakers say the name of their own country is not

642
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: a problem. It's actually the way.

643
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: We should have to check my Columbia House subscription to

644
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: see if they have dying children.

645
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: Maybe that will that will culture me a little bit better.

646
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Speaker 1: In any event, they go to month of video, I

647
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Speaker 1: believe that's where it's going to be. The point being

648
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: is they're going to very far down in South America,

649
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: first time they're ever in this country. Valentina Chevchenko Spanish

650
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: speaker should be noted, is taking on Liz Carmush. Now

651
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: this is actually the second time they fought. It's technically

652
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: a rematch. Brian Campbell, So I'm gonna pitch this question

653
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: to you first again, Actually know what I'm gonna take

654
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: this one first, if I may, because the question was,

655
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: as we talked about it yesterday planning the show, is

656
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: there anything to this fight beyond the narrative they're presenting, which, hey,

657
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: it's a rematch, blah blah blah. I want to make

658
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: this but this point, it's a fine fight. And in fact,

659
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: I would never dismiss the chances of somebody like Gorilla

660
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: in Liz Carmush for the United States Marine strong as

661
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: an Ox trains with a good team ex. Marina for Marine.

662
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: No such thing as the next trains with a good

663
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: team always comes prepared right and has been in big

664
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: fight scenarios before. I'm actually looking forward to the main event.

665
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: I want to be serious about that.

666
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: In the narrative of back at her natural weight, she'd

667
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: been fighting at thirty five.

668
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: Old and she was strong in one thirty five at

669
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Speaker 1: one twenty five, look out, bro, she is really, really,

670
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: really powerful.

671
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: And she holds a win under over Jessica and Drosh.

672
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: So hold the win over two active champions. Right, you

673
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: can sell it, you.

674
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: Sell you can sell it that way, but let's be

675
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: really you actually really can't sell it to me. The

676
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: fight itself is fine, but when you look down the

677
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: rest of that card, you say to yourself, Wow, they

678
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: have put together a fight at the top of a

679
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: UFC card, where the whole point is. Look, if you're

680
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: the UFC, you're looking down this card, you're like, Okay,

681
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: we owe fights to this guy, this guy, this guy,

682
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy. We have to meet contractual demands

683
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: for this platform, this service, this country, this broadcast deal.

684
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: Let's just throw something together. Put a respectable fight, no

685
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: doubt about it, at the top of the card. But

686
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: that card, like we say this all the time time,

687
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: it might be the least impressive card in UFC history.

688
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: Now not wrong. People always go bro, you can't judge

689
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: fights before they happen. Yes, you can.

690
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: You absolutely When you look at that card on paper,

691
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 2: are you trying to do the do the math in

692
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: your head and do the time zones to figure out

693
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: what time the main event starts.

694
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 3: That's when you know that is not a great card.

695
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: But do your question of what's sort of the real

696
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: narrative here. The real narrative here is kind of what

697
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: you said, it's a crappy card. How do we put

698
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: something good on it? Oh, let's put a title fight

699
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: in a non pay per view fight, Let's put it

700
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: in a fight night. But also, let's not forget Chefchenko

701
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: is Peruvian born and born in Kerghstan, but has made

702
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: Peru her second home. So maybe there's some elements of

703
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: marketing and trying to establish sure a Spanish speaking sort

704
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: of celebrity there in your Aguay.

705
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: You can do media, there's really nothing else out of there.

706
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: Yes, you can go with the carmushes one four or

707
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: five since twenty fifteen. Yes he's a former title contender,

708
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: but look, you know the truth as much as I do.

709
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: There's nobody at one twenty five.

710
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: There's like two good fighters, so it's no surprise that

711
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: Carlusch would get into this fight, and it's a syllable

712
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: narrative of the rematch, just like at some point, if

713
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: Katz and Ganal can put a couple wins together, she

714
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: may end up getting an Amanda Nuna's rematch because she's

715
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: the last one to beat her.

716
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: That's that's about it.

717
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: So they've got Here's on the prelim card, ji Jerio

718
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: bon Turin taking on Rowley and Paiva. Could you pick

719
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: either from a lineup? Giraldo or Heraldo de Fritis versus

720
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: Chris Gutierrez, Cyril Ghane actually not bad versus Jafel Psau

721
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: Nunez like I used to be the basis of slaughtering animals.

722
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: They cattle decapitation is a real bad. But here's also

723
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: on the card. If you sent you Luca taken on

724
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Mike Perry. I actually good like that fight fight and

725
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: they have moved a thousand times vulcan Uzdemir and Ilio Latifi.

726
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: I think this is the third time they moved it,

727
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. Also, the last thing to look

728
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: out for is hudelfo Vieira. Do you know judelfo Vieira

729
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: no best grappler of our generation, ever, is Hadra Gracie

730
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: of our generation? Probably Marcus Almeda Buschcha, the guy who

731
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: was right on Buchet's Judelpho Vieira. He is first of

732
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: all super bricked up, has won titles in the GI

733
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: and Nogi has good wrestling, so he's not one of

734
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: these jiu jitsu guys. A guy on the pull guard. No, no, no,

735
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: he'd get one there and pick up put you on

736
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: your head. He's a bit like, uh, who's a good comparison. Well,

737
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: he's the opposite of Ryan Hall, who's a great fighter.

738
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: But he's not gonna go there and just bear on

739
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: you physically. Hudolpho Vieira will, so he'll make his debut

740
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: in this card. There's some decent fights there, but down

741
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: and up the car and oh my god, like they're

742
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: just putting this together for no other reasons. So last

743
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: question on this. If car Much loses and she's expected

744
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: to according to the oddsmakers, but em it's crazy, Bo's

745
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: assume she does. So Chefchenko retains her title. Cyborg's gone.

746
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: So do they do a third fight between they will,

747
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: thank you and nunas.

748
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: They will have to because the truth is Nunya's has

749
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: cleaned out two divisions, and there's maybe one or two

750
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: names you could throw out me and say, okay, they

751
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: can build toward that for Nunyas and it would make

752
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: a little bit of sense, either style wise or marketing wise.

753
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: But chef Chenko is the big fight.

754
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: It has to happen. I would actually say this the

755
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: first fight between Chefchenko and Nunez, Nuna's clearly won, but

756
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: her deficiencies were put on display, right.

757
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: Valentina started too late in that fight, she did.

758
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: And the deficiencies were not on display in my judgment.

759
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: In the second fight, it was a really different fight,

760
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: and in no small part because it was three rounds

761
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: versus five from the first of the rematch, I actually

762
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: thought Chefchenko won the second fight. Do you remember how

763
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: you scored it. I showed a skip for Chevchenko as well. Interesting.

764
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: Interesting, it's almost gotten to the point where it's not

765
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: a sneaky hot.

766
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: Take to say that.

767
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: It's almost as if, no, it's more than fifty percent

768
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: of people are going to tell you that same thing.

769
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: Nunia's did show in that fight that the cardio is

770
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: real and sort of put that's right to rest any

771
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: of those concerns against So that's the night in my

772
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: mind she became truly well rounded. But as much as

773
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: she says, hey, Valentina, you can't win that fight because

774
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: you didn't fight like a champion.

775
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: You didn't come to finish me.

776
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: It was a bit of a stalemate, and I think

777
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: Nunya has kind of left that door open for chef Chenko.

778
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: All r, let's quickly do some UFC two forty one

779
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: stuff that I want to talk about some boxing. So

780
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: UFC two forty one is two weeks away, never too

781
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: early to get going. You got a good man event,

782
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: you got a good comin event, you got a good

783
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: feature fight. Uh, you go first Brian fight, you're looking

784
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: forward to most. If you go main event, you're gonna

785
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: let me down.

786
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: So you know, I really like that middleweight bout between

787
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: Derek Brunson and Ian Heinisch. I've been wanting just to

788
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: follow the Heiness story for a while, not just because

789
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: he's got Jurassic back and and sort of. I mean,

790
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: you're rocking the dad bod pushing forty, he's rocking that

791
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: jail bod. He's got a great story and one day

792
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: it'll be an action movie. And we all know that.

793
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: But the whole point is, is he for real candy fight?

794
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: His UFC appearance is up to this date, he's been unbeaten.

795
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: He's sort of overcome his own early deficiencies, whether it

796
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: was gas tank and his debut or whether it was

797
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: sort of figuring out exactly who who he is as

798
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: a fighter. I feel like even though he had a

799
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: great win in his last fight over the Brazilian fellow,

800
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, oh Shoeface, Yeah, Shoeface, this is a real

801
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: test Brunston's coming off a win. Yes, at the elite

802
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: level of Brunson is going to alternate wins and losses constantly.

803
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: But for me, this is the fight that lets me

804
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: know if heinis is just a good story or whether

805
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: we really have something here.

806
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an interesting test case for a potential upside.

807
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: And by the way, in those fights he's been pushed

808
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: a little bit and he's had to come back and

809
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: show resilient and see which he did, which is always

810
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: really interesting to see. Son, you learned that in the

811
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: whole Yeah, you know what I mean, We know that.

812
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: I mean we would know that from this set.

813
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: Talk about perseverance. My man's perseverant. Uh, I'm gonna say,

814
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how you pick any other one, but

815
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: this you old Romero taking on Paulo Costa. What a storyline,

816
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: yes to this one. What an unbelievable contest. So here's

817
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: what we have cooked up, right, you've got uh. First

818
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: of all, they were just on a collision course to

819
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: begin with, because you ol Romero. There's questions like does

820
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: he go to two o five? But he decided not to,

821
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: so he's there. He's this presence who could argue who

822
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: beat Whittaker? But he didn't. Okay, the judge didn't. We

823
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: don't have to argue it, Luke. We can.

824
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: We can put out there the great misses and scorecards

825
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: one day that you.

826
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: Thought he did. You can't actually say that he did anyway. Certainly,

827
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: let's just put it this way. He gave Whittaker all

828
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: he could handle and then some. All right, but he's

829
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: still north of forty. He's older than me, which is.

830
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: Forty and a half. I mean, when will this guy

831
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: look like.

832
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: Paulo Costa, looking like he's been chiseled out of stone,

833
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: battling accusations about Usada has a usaw to run in

834
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: but it's for something that is not exactly all that

835
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: performance enhancing, although banned, it's a banned substance.

836
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: Are you talking about picograms in this case?

837
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: No, we're not in this particular case. And then he

838
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: has this sort of like ivy thing. Joel comes out

839
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: and says, oh, I heard it was a Yasada issue

840
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: that I've got. This guy got him up for wise

841
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: fights have all been canceled, blah blah blah. He only

842
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: gets a short suspension because he does the whole substantial

843
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: assistance thing. He's back in the octagon, so whatever it was,

844
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't all that serious. I guess it's hard to

845
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: really piece together what happened. Point being is Brazil has

846
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: been looking for their next big star because all of

847
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: their giants are all aging out, Androdge appears to be

848
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: leading that charge, at least for right now as the champion,

849
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: but they really need someone marketable. The Eraser I don't

850
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: think is a great name for him, but when he

851
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: fights up to his potential, he just looks the part.

852
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: When you think fighter in your mind from Brazil, it

853
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: looks like that. It's like Vanderly two point zero, only

854
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: with a better haircut, right, and less sort of scalp tattoos.

855
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: It's that dude. But Juel Romero, I don't even paid

856
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: attention to it. He's not two way fighter. He just

857
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: defends defense, defense, defense, and then explode, full on explosion.

858
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: So I can't wait to see what happens when these

859
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: two animals clash. And I say that not in pejorative way,

860
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: in the most exciting way possible. Cannot wait. Storyline means

861
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: interesting fight meets generational turnover.

862
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: If you like looking men, this is your fight. Really,

863
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: If you like.

864
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: Dudes who just look like they can lift the earth,

865
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: this is what you want. Are you not sharing Mike

866
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Siemon for this one? Oh?

867
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: Massively. I was trying to go a little bit under

868
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: the radar. I assumed you'd play big tam with me here.

869
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: I'm all in on this card is great, and it's

870
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: more great from being top heavy, but it's great in

871
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: terms of the musty fight storyline. I mean, this is

872
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: a great main event. This is a great comin because

873
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: we have to see what Nate looks like. We have

874
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: to see whether this is just going to be a

875
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: one appearance and we don't see him again for two

876
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: years or never again, or if this is the beginning

877
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: of something, what could we use his star? Who could

878
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: we match that against? If you're the UFC matchmakers, If

879
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 2: he's able to be Anthony pettis so much to see there.

880
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 2: But this Costa Romero fight could main event any other card.

881
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

882
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, just personally, what would you

883
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: put your and there's no wrong answer this one. What

884
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: would you put your level of enthusiasm for on the

885
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: main event? Very very high? Okay, tell me why? Because

886
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit. It's not bad, it's good.

887
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: Tell me why. You tell them while you're.

888
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: There, you are you like a nine or a ten?

889
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: I am about nine and a half. I don't see

890
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: how you could.

891
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: So I'm seven and a half. Tell me why you're

892
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: nine and a half?

893
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 3: Okay, heavyweight historically not deep.

894
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: Historically we sort of wait every couple of years for

895
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 2: a big fight like this. This last fight was interesting

896
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: because stevee was on the verge of cementing that he

897
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: is the most decorated greatest UFC heavyweight champions. We've sort

898
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: of been waiting for someone to climb that throne and

899
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: lay that down. And Daniel Cormier comes back the guy who,

900
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: had he not been such a great friend, may have

901
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: already ended up in that spot right now. We may

902
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: have been already talking about the DC is the greatest

903
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: heavyweight to ever walk the planet.

904
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: He takes the securitist route, puts himself.

905
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: In the upper table and then walks in there and

906
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: knocks out Steepe, And now you're like wow. But yet,

907
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: at the same time, even though that first round knockout

908
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: was the very definition of not being a fluke because

909
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: it was calculated, it was something he sort of said

910
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: in interviews ahead of time, this is what Stipe does wrong,

911
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna take advantage of it. And then he

912
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: goes out and he does that still a first round knockout.

913
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: We still didn't see what happened if that fight got

914
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: into some deep rounds. Both are accomplished wrestlers, Both are

915
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: very smart fighters. I really think this fight has potential

916
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: to go to the distance, and I think has potential

917
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: to be very exciting back and forth trading rounds, and

918
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: sort of it's not an automatic in my mind that

919
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: DC comes in here and wins this, and.

920
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: So well, it's never automatic.

921
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: No, But even in the sense of comparing two great

922
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: fighters when you're trying to self handicap to build your

923
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 2: hot takes.

924
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: So my enthusiasm, I would say, is still high. But

925
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: here's my hunch. If you're a nine and a half

926
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: and I'm seven and a half, my hunch is that

927
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: the fight's going to come out around eight eight and

928
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: a half, so probably a little bit closer to you.

929
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, that's the middle point. But I'm

930
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: saying it'll probably be better than I'm giving it credit.

931
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: Maybe not quite as good as you are.

932
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: What fuels your flacidity forty years on earth, What I

933
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: would say is.

934
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: The first fight, Like to me, when Steve Ba was like,

935
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: I deserve a rematch, to me, like, it's not a

936
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: personal thing. When I say this, I just never understood

937
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: how that was a valid thing you could ask for.

938
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: The fight was signed in January, they fought in July.

939
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: You had seven months to prepare and it was There

940
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: was no foul. I mean, as you could say it may,

941
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: but I don't believe there was a foul. It just

942
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: to me looked like a clean ass wind. He just

943
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: got beat by a better guy. Now that you could

944
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: say the same thing happened with Noma Unis and in jcheck.

945
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: But okay, there was a weight cut issue, blah blah blah.

946
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: Second fight much closer, much more competitive, but in the

947
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: end it was the same person who got her hand raised.

948
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm just struggling to see a way again. MMA is crazy.

949
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: Steve a could go in there and knock him out

950
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: and around I've seen it before. But to me, yeah,

951
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: there's been a little bit of time that elapsed, well

952
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: over a year, but not a huge amount of time.

953
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: Like usually for a real change in fighting ability, you

954
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: have to let it marinate two years, three years, and

955
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: then people circle back and they're in different points in

956
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: their career. To me, Cormier has been active even with injuries.

957
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: Stepe is not paid off terms of not having to

958
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: take anybody else to risk it, but he's not been active.

959
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: Ring Russ doesn't affect everybody. I'm just I'm just striggling

960
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: to understand, all right, part of this, here's my central question.

961
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: I am not hearing a convincing case for why the

962
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: second time will be different from anybody. That's okay, that's fair.

963
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: Part of this, to be really honest, is that it's

964
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: not brock Lisner in DC, which didn't need to happen.

965
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: Shouldn't have happened, and I thank god it didn't because that's.

966
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: Sort of mister pro wrestling doesn't want to see it.

967
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: Mister pro wrestling doesn't want to see it under those circumstances,

968
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: right there, for sure. Look, I'm always four when they

969
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: lean on the entertainment side in certain situations.

970
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: Why we're sitting here saying, you know.

971
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: You could put mos feed All on the title of shide,

972
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: You could put anybody that's marketable, but in that case

973
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: coming off of a steroid test.

974
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: But I don't have to sit heer and explain it.

975
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: You understand, brock Leslard in that case would have been

976
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 2: bad for the sport.

977
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: So what do we get instead of a really great fight?

978
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 2: And yes, DC can go into a John Jones trilogy,

979
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: which is the best and biggest fight, in my opinion,

980
00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: you can make in this sport.

981
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: Okay, biggest, you can put.

982
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: An asterisk there, because anything Connor have be rematch could

983
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: sell more. But in terms of like a fight that

984
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: like matters, you could argue that DC Jones three is

985
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: the most important fight in UFC history.

986
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: Like, there's just so.

987
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: Much at stake with their legacies and the two titles,

988
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: and it may happen regardless off DC wins or loses

989
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: that two forty one, But if he wins Luke, that

990
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: I think elevates that third fight even more as to

991
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: not just we need it, I know, but like I mentioned,

992
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: it really could be the biggest fight from importance ever.

993
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: And I think everyone's been trying to slow roll at

994
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: which I understand. But if DC, let's say, okay, let's

995
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: say DC wins and then imagine a snari where DC

996
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: wins violently. Again, maybe not the first round, let's say

997
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: third round. The amount of gravitational force pushing John and

998
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: DC together is going to be overwhelming. Now there's some

999
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: questions about do they do it at heavyweight? Do they

1000
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: do it a light heavyweight?

1001
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: Can we unpack that for a quick second, because data

1002
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: whit's actually on my side, which is on the right

1003
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: side of history, which means.

1004
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: This has to happen at heavyweight. It's Jones in DC

1005
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: that wanted at two five.

1006
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: I would get that if you're John Jones, But if

1007
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: you're DC, why why the hell would you need to

1008
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: go back and cut down at this point when you

1009
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: are thick with three c's right, now, bro, and I'm

1010
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: proud of You're the everyweight champion of the world. But

1011
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: why would you need to do that? Why would you

1012
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: want to do that? There's an inherent advantage for DC

1013
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: for this being at heavyweight. He's proven himself this way.

1014
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: We have no idea what Jones would look like. Why

1015
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: would you not take advantage of that? Considering those first

1016
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: two fights, Yes, you lost them cleanly in the cage,

1017
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: but there's enough going on around it, with the drug

1018
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 2: tests and all that, that you could sort of always

1019
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: make that claim in your heart, did I really lose

1020
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: fair and square? So so I get that that's why

1021
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: he would want to go back to two five and

1022
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: do it. I just don't think it's necessary. I think

1023
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: you want to make the best fight possible. The best

1024
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: fight between these two is at heavyweight.

1025
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: They want me to go to fan questions real quickly.

1026
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: I do want to make sure we get to boxing

1027
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: real quickly before we do that, because the fan questions

1028
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: a little bit all over the place. We have to

1029
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of hurry this up on the boxing side. So

1030
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: let's get to the most important one in the boxing

1031
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: side of things. There were some fights over the weekend,

1032
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: A big package.

1033
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: You've only rent this room for a certain amount of minutes.

1034
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: They're in my ear. God, damn it, let me just

1035
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: do this. The big news, though, is Canelo is upset

1036
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: with Golden Boy. I want to talk about the disonne implications,

1037
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: but first I'll third to you, mister boxing. What is

1038
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: happening with Canelo? What is happening with Golden Boy? And

1039
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: why is it so serious? What is happening with Canelo?

1040
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: The biggest star in the sport, the biggest prey pervir brand,

1041
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: the guy who took the baton from Floyd Mayweather. Is

1042
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: he has those May and September dates on Lockdown, the

1043
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: Mexican Holloways, the big pay per view moments that matter.

1044
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: And suddenly, as of right now, he doesn't have a date.

1045
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: He doesn't have an opponent, and we've cycled through in

1046
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: a very short amount of time three or four opponents,

1047
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: sort of fueled by the same idea that he doesn't

1048
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: want to give Triple G Gnatica Luffkin a third fight.

1049
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: Does he hates him, He doesn't want to give him

1050
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: the payday he in Canelo's mind, I thought that guy twice.

1051
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: They were both classics. It was a draw and a

1052
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: victory for me. What else do I have to prove.

1053
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: This guy's calling me a drug user, this guy's saying

1054
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: things I don't want anything to do with him. Well,

1055
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: the problem is Canelo, your network in de Zone, which

1056
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: we can get to in a second, wants a lot

1057
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: to do with that and build their financial future around that,

1058
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: and your promotion team, Oscar Dela and Hooya and Golden

1059
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: Boy Promotions certainly wants that, to the point that they

1060
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: had written language in the de Zone deals that sort

1061
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: of guaranteed that they would get that third fight.

1062
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: And now with Canelo being stripped.

1063
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: Of the IBF title last week, and for it being

1064
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: stripped in a way in which Golden Boys matchmaker was

1065
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: negotiating for a potential vacant title boot against Sergi Dirrivnchenko,

1066
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: who lost to Daniel Jacobs in a close split decision

1067
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 2: a year and a half ago.

1068
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: Very credible fighter, for a fall date.

1069
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: But the idea was, if you don't make the fight

1070
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: by this certain time, IBF is going to pull that title.

1071
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: Golden Boy signs off on that, apparently not telling Canelo,

1072
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: So we're getting to a sort of potential impass here.

1073
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: We got to remember a couple of things. Canelo holds

1074
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: the power here.

1075
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to talk about this show

1076
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: when you talk about it's the decision takeover when it's

1077
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: Canelo in his owne who really holds the power? Well,

1078
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: we're learning that it's Canelo, but Canelo versus Oscar and

1079
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: his team. Canelo holds the power. What have we seen

1080
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: historically in the past when fighters become unhappy at the

1081
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: way they're handling or believe that they can make more

1082
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: money or do better decisions.

1083
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: Better hashtag buy yourself out?

1084
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's coming right now, if you can

1085
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: leave the reporting and the rumor that's coming out and

1086
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: the feeling that Canelo maybe hasn't been completely happy with

1087
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: the decisions being made behind the scenes without his knowledge

1088
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: by his own team.

1089
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: What has happened since then?

1090
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: Top Golden Boy on beating prospect Ryan Garcia, who's got

1091
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: the two million following on Instagrams lasting he's also has

1092
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: it shares the same trainers as Canelo, blasting on Twitter,

1093
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 2: going publicly like Canelo did this week, sort of calling

1094
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: out his own promoter. Is it just a messy soap

1095
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: opera and we're gonna figure it out? And Canelo is

1096
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: gonna come back against somebody credible this fall.

1097
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: Maybe, but there's.

1098
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: Been a lot of missteps publicly in the last couple

1099
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: of months where you need to start asking yourself, like,

1100
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: what's the future of Canelo if it's Golden Boy. Let's

1101
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: not forget remember that big split up between Oscar del

1102
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Hoy and Richard Schaffer with Golden Boy. It led to

1103
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: PBC going their own route when originally it was Golden

1104
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: Boy Promotions possibly going to be the house promoter for PBC.

1105
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: Pretty much all the fighters went without Hyman the PBC.

1106
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: Canelo stayed true to Oscar Canelo is Golden Boy Promotions.

1107
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: Here's the meal ticket top five fighters without not naming Canelo.

1108
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: Oh, this is going to be very interesting.

1109
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 2: There's probably huge damage control going on in the office

1110
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: as a Golden Boy, and watch how this plays out

1111
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: and maybe how this might affect Canelo's feature at the Zone, which.

1112
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: Is very interesting.

1113
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: Okay, last thing on this for me, what is the

1114
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: worst thing that a streaming subscription service? What's the worst

1115
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: thing their customers could ever ask it? It is? Wait,

1116
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: why do I pay for this again? If you lose Canelo?

1117
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't know how you feel about zone.

1118
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: I've already asked this question. Now, I'm not gonna get

1119
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: rid of his zone because when I used the zone,

1120
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: I actually like it. I get it for Bellator occasional

1121
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: KSW combat to America's.

1122
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 3: Big brock fan.

1123
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 1: Actually, I do love They're cool guys. Actually, And also, look,

1124
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: you had the Anthony Joshua Ruiz fight on there, you

1125
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: have Canelo fighting on there. You thought on a reasonable schedule. Dude,

1126
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: you're not just losing Canelo if he decides to bounce,

1127
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: You're losing the crown jewel you're using. You're losing the

1128
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: anchor that makes the zone kind of what do zone is.

1129
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: If you're an MMA fan, you're like, well, I don't

1130
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't really care all that much. But if you're

1131
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: de zone, you're staying in ways off. This is the

1132
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: biggest contract in sports at the time that we signed.

1133
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: It was like Bryce Harper had the biggest deal, Mike

1134
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: Trout had the biggest deal. No, Canelo Alvarez had the

1135
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: biggest deal.

1136
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: Well, you could argue Floyd Mayweather showtime deal was pretty

1137
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: damn massive too, But I get what you're saying.

1138
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: Okay, but at the time he signed it. It was the

1139
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: biggest contract in sports. So I'm just pointing out this

1140
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: is not just any old boxer. This is the thing

1141
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: that is gluing everyone together. You lose him, you're already

1142
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: on the hook to pay Triple G. Who the hell

1143
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: is he gonna fight? I mean, I guess you can

1144
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: make things happen, but you're not gonna make that happen.

1145
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: All I'm pointing out, I'm not saying a bunch of

1146
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: dominoes get pulled if he decides to somehow force a

1147
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: breach of contract and go somewhere else. Yeah, what I'm

1148
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: pointing out is you're beginning to ask yourself more and

1149
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: more as a dezone customer, Wait, well, if I don't

1150
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: get Canelo, why am I playing?

1151
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: To be clear, I don't have the legal background to

1152
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: tell you that there's a breach of contract here or whatever,

1153
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: But it's if you have a star that's unhappy and

1154
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: you made it your fight, your financial backbone in his

1155
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: own Yeah, they signed Golden Boy an Oscar guaranteed Canelo

1156
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: Triple G fight. They signed Triple G F one hundred million,

1157
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: and in the language of the contract reportedly is a

1158
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: guarantee for a Canelo Triple G fight Canelo is the

1159
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: guy doesn't want it?

1160
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? It's gonna be very interesting?

1161
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: Soa far? All right? So time now if we can

1162
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: it is we have to go to fan questions, Brian Campbell,

1163
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: let's do the fan questions if we can. I gotta

1164
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: find the old email they sent me here at the bottom.

1165
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: I believe. Okay, we can put them up here on

1166
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: the screen. I believe if I'm not mistaken. Here oops,

1167
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: hold on, I gotta go back to my inbox. Here

1168
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: we go, Yes, now I have them. Okay, let's do

1169
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: this all right? First, UF you have the tiny tank one.

1170
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: So if we're in order, Well, these don't match mine,

1171
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: and I'll here we go. Yes, now they do. Did

1172
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: Covington go too far with the Matthews comment? Please let

1173
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: me go first on this one? Okay? I found this one.

1174
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: How do I explain this? This is a larger commentary

1175
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: on well, who's your favorite stand up comedian? Which is

1176
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: this is not Koby's not standup comedian? But who's your

1177
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: fvorite stand of dan nnis Larry? Tell me why?

1178
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: Because I listened to nineteen ninety one's Nose for Cancer

1179
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 2: in the back of my chevy celebrity for about seven

1180
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 2: straight years.

1181
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: Okay, my answer is Patris O'Neil. And I don't know

1182
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: how Patrisse O'Neil would fit into today's comedic scene because

1183
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: what people want now is like woke comedy, which is

1184
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: not really comedy at all. And here's the point about this.

1185
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: What people want now are people you can put on Netflix.

1186
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: So I call them good boys who just say all

1187
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: the right things and they kind of make sure that

1188
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: they're sponsor friendly. And again Colby's not a comedian. But

1189
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: the point being is that need to accommodate establishment ideas

1190
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: and establishment thought is suffocating. It is going to create

1191
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: somebody who comes and does this. In MMA, we have

1192
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: suffocating demands. You have to be reverential towards X fighter.

1193
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: You have to think that so and so is the

1194
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: right call. You have to think that that's the best

1195
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: fight ever. And then someone comes along and goes, no, no,

1196
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: I don't think that, do I? What I may the

1197
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: Matt Hughes joke never, I would never personally make it,

1198
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: nor do I endorse it. I'm not even sure I

1199
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: think it's like all that funny. But but I also

1200
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: understand someone is going to come around when you have

1201
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: ideas that are not supposed to be challenged and taboos

1202
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: that are not supposed to be touched, and he's going

1203
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: to set them all ablaze. The key is to not

1204
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: let it offend you. The key is to understand what

1205
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: it is. It is vandalism of your senses. But but

1206
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: don't look like he is. To not tweet and talk

1207
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: about it.

1208
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: He would not give it oxygen cause I took leverage

1209
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: with what you said last week. I think when you said,

1210
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: you know, don't be confused, Colby Covington is a has

1211
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: been fueled and made up by the media.

1212
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: You know that's not That's not what I said. What

1213
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: I said is if you found the weaknesses of how

1214
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: mma media covers the sport, and you want to craft

1215
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: ways to take advantage of all the weaknesses, that is

1216
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: who he is. And I don't know how you could

1217
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: possibly contest that well.

1218
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: I think when you say that, though, some people sort

1219
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: of imply that that people want a guy like this

1220
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: to be created, so they're taking part purposely and creating him,

1221
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: whether for political reasons or boredom or laziness or whatever.

1222
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: But you gotta understand covering sports in any form, and

1223
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: I mean started covering high school sports.

1224
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: Like nineteen ninety five.

1225
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: You find if someone that can talk, I don't care

1226
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: if it's a girl, as someone on the girls swimming team,

1227
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 2: or their coach or anybody. You flock to that person.

1228
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: They break the monotony of the job in journalism. They

1229
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: add the spice that you cling for. It's catnip, it's sex.

1230
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: Somebody who can fill your notebooks and say things, especially controversial,

1231
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: it's great. The problem is, it only matters if they're

1232
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: relevant if they keep winning.

1233
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: When they stop winning, it doesn't matter. No one's tweeting

1234
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: about it.

1235
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: No one cares, speaking of the tracks, If he loses,

1236
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: then this goes away.

1237
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: But right now he's in that golden period where he

1238
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: keeps winning. He's almost doing what Connor did, where every

1239
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: step of the way you're okay, the next one he's

1240
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: gonna get served, and then he didn't.

1241
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 3: So at this point it's sort of like he built himself.

1242
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: This is already a built engine in practice and system

1243
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: where if somebody can talk and give them the form,

1244
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: you want this. We want big quotes, we want anything

1245
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: from these people.

1246
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: Right, But the point is like people are like, oh, well,

1247
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: they accused him of being indecent. It's like, I don't

1248
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: understand how that. I don't understand that criticism. It's like, dude,

1249
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: that's that's what he's trying to do. When you tweet,

1250
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was really that was over the line,

1251
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: Koby's looking at and going mission accomplished.

1252
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: This is entertainment. We say this all the time, freaking entertainment.

1253
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: It's the idea is not that, Because the idea is

1254
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: is yes, it is indecent, and you should hold onto

1255
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: your own sense of decency. But when you have a provocateur,

1256
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: which is what he is. He is a provocateur. When

1257
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: you lash out on social media at it, you are

1258
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: you are enabling him, feeling you are enabling him. So

1259
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: if you find it indecent, deprive him of oxygen. It's

1260
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: the only way to combat this.

1261
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: But try to tell me that he's bad for the sport.

1262
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: Try to try to convince me of that.

1263
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: I do worry about this fight with Usmann. I do

1264
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: worry about it.

1265
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: If you're if you're worried about it from a racial

1266
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: standpoint and where the politics comes together, I agree with you.

1267
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to see it cross that line. But

1268
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: to act like true villains and look true is a

1269
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: weird word because he is fake. This is it's a

1270
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 2: character he's playing. Is there something it's halfway character?

1271
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 3: Is there curmudgenary underneath him to fuel that character?

1272
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 2: Yes, but a lot of what he's doing is out

1273
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: of the pro wrestling handbook. So my whole point is

1274
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: mma in boxing, it's so close to pro wrestling on

1275
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: in terms of marketing, in the terms of how you

1276
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 2: how we get excited about things.

1277
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: That's he's a character. You need villains. I will just

1278
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: say this though. People want a character like the Joker

1279
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: who they can kind of like admire from Afar. Oh

1280
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: my god, Heath Ledger did such a great job in

1281
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: The Dark Knight. What a what a character I can

1282
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: really wrap my arms around. Kolby is not interested in that.

1283
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: He is not interested. The joke is on the audience.

1284
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: It is he is not trying to He's not trying

1285
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: to bring you into a dark world and show you

1286
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: it's mystery and wonder and also it's frightening sense he's

1287
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: trying to piss you off. So when you lash out,

1288
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: you are you are enabling this. I don't know how.

1289
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. People like well, his gamic doesn't work?

1290
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: Are you do you dislike him? Yeah? Are you pissed

1291
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: off about as Matthew's joke? Yeah? Mfor it works perfectly.

1292
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: That's what it's designed to. Dole's stop.

1293
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: It's gonna fit great in the New Sizzle real one

1294
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: of these, by the way, nuts Dana White not showing

1295
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: up cage side for this one in a New York

1296
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 2: market with Don Junior Trump.

1297
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 3: There your thoughts.

1298
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought much about that. Do you think it's

1299
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: a conspiratory?

1300
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: Maybe on Morning Combat Political edition next week we'll get

1302
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: down on it.

1303
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: All right, all right, next one, let's do this next one.

1304
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm make sure these are coordinating in the right way,

1305
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: all right? From Joel MB I don't think the real

1306
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: one though Usman and Kolbe both have great wrestling cardio

1307
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: pace combined with good striking. What is the difference maker

1308
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: in the fight and who has it? Now? I did

1309
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: a big one on this one dissected, so I'd love

1310
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: to hear what your thought is. You think it's what

1311
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: the damage, It's power.

1312
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: The difference is power and ability to finish both don't

1313
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: always show finishing instincts, but the ability to finish I

1314
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: think is much stronger in Usman.

1315
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 3: I think he wins this fight.

1316
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: Yeah he might. I don't think that the instinct is

1317
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: much higher with I think the instinct is probably the

1318
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: same with both guys. The difference is you came in

1319
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: a dissector. I think at the end, the difference is

1320
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: that if you look at the way Colby wrestles. When

1321
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: he goes for takedowns, he keeps his hands locked and

1322
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: he when he's in on in a position, he wrestles

1323
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: through it. Usman when he gets to a position, he'll

1324
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: find some kind of static place and then began to

1325
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: bang on you.

1326
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 3: Won't they wrestling cancel out?

1327
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: Though?

1328
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 3: Won't they cancel?

1329
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: So here's the interesting part. Kolby does all of his like,

1330
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: all of his damage. You look at his totals, literally

1331
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: ninety percent of it happens on the feet. If you

1332
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: look at Usman, more than sixty percent of it happens

1333
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: on the ground. Kolby doesn't do ground and pound. He exchanges.

1334
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: Usman doesn't really exchange. He ground and pounds. That's the

1335
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: big difference. The key is this Kamar Usman has one

1336
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: hundred percent takedown defense. Three fights. He's only ever had

1337
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: a takedown attempted on him. One was Demi and Maya,

1338
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: which you saw not much of a wrestler, okay, tricky,

1339
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: but not much of a wrestler. One was Tyrone Woodley,

1340
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: but it was I showed it on dissected, not much

1341
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: of a shot. And then the other one was fromjvel Dosandos,

1342
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: who is not big enough in not a wrestler, Which

1343
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: is to say, here's the other X factor. No one

1344
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: who has the ability of Colby has ever really tried

1345
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: to take down Kamoro. If you look at the shot

1346
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: from Woodley, it's not much of one. He didn't really try.

1347
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: What everyone goes out there and tries to really take

1348
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: him down? Now what happens? So the interesting part is

1349
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: if he gets taken down, Koby's gonna get banged on.

1350
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: You're trying to say, teams that press hate being pressed.

1351
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: Is that where this is going?

1352
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying both guys are similar, they have a key difference,

1353
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: but one has never really quite faced the other. That's

1354
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: gonna be.

1355
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,479
Speaker 3: The one one hasn't faced the pain?

1356
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: Please leave, okay, next, okay, here we go. How could

1357
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: a fighter beat these modern wrestling heavy fighters like Covington

1358
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: Usman Habib. Granted, Habib's game is a tad different compared

1359
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: to the two, very different actually, but it seems as

1360
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: if there's not a clear way to beat these modern

1361
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: wrestlers who surprisingly have a monstrous cardio. Where is you're

1362
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: taking that big fan from as you would say, I

1363
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: ran because you can just pronounce it whatever you want.

1364
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: Huh is it charred a to you or said that's

1365
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 3: where it's.

1366
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: It's iran, okay, eat on? All right? How do you

1367
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: want to do this? What do you think? The big

1368
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: difference is, oh, you're you're the professor. What do you got?

1369
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: So the answer to this is first of all, hard

1370
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: to do because these guys with the key insight for

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00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: all of them, Habib is different because Habib so Usman

1372
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: a Coveton. Here's what it's similar. They want to get

1373
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: you to a knee, They want to get you a

1374
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: risk control, and then Covington will just keep wrestling you,

1375
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: Usman will begin to fire. What Habib does is he

1376
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: actually doesn't stop there. He will bang on you from there,

1377
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: but he actually wants to get you flat on his

1378
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: back because he wants to go to mountain, he wants

1379
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: to take them back. He actually wants to finish. He

1380
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: has much more fishing and stings. But what binds all

1381
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: three of them, the coving Tins, the Usman's and the Habibs,

1382
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: is that they have an incredibly labor intensive style. It

1383
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: is built on this work rate that is astronomical. So

1384
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: just to just to like tread water with them, you're

1385
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: in the choppiest of seas, and you have to do

1386
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: it round after round. The key is easier said than done.

1387
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: I think about somebody like Stylebender. Now what I'm saying

1388
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: is I don't think Style Bender necessarily. I mean, he's

1389
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: smaller than all these guys. I don't think he will

1390
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: not be big. But the idea is when you get

1391
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: in on style Bender, he stops the takedown and then

1392
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: creates quick separation along the fence line. You got to

1393
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: have a jab that sticks in their face, like a

1394
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: Jose Aldo type quick athletic break the hands combined with

1395
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: a jab in their face. It's kind of that mix

1396
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: of Jose Aldo with a Style Bender, which doesn't exist,

1397
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: I suppose, But I'm just.

1398
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: Pointing out, how about a GSP can when you consider

1399
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: he has the jab to mix with the rest.

1400
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: That's right. He has the job to keep distance on

1401
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: the cost checks, and when the Fitches want to get

1402
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: in on him, he could stuff it and then repurpose

1403
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: it something like that.

1404
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: What about an old GSP, like a prime No, what

1405
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: about GSP right now?

1406
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: Could he beat the company? Can he come in here

1407
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: and be that that prime GSP? Yeah? I think so.

1408
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: I'm talking about late thirties right now, GSP active gi

1409
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: E GSP.

1410
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: Can he still be?

1411
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: Is he?

1412
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: Is he the savior in waiting to beat this style

1413
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: of No, I.

1414
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: Don't think he could. Maybe maybe it's interesting. I don't know.

1415
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 3: Ques coming soon to Mortal Kombat, Yes, Morning.

1416
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: Combat, don't I keep saying Mortal too? All right? Next,

1417
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pronounce his name wrong. Alex Schulker. Shulter. In

1418
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: a period where the UFC is struggling to replicate the

1419
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: superstar pull of fighters such as McGregor and Rowsey, the

1420
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: loss of Cyborg is huge. I don't agree. Is there

1421
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: a point where the powers that be at the UFC

1422
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: will start to question having Dana White as the face

1423
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: of the organization, or is his power and influence on

1424
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: the sports so great that he'll have the carte blanche

1425
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: to do as he pleases until he decides to call

1426
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: it quits.

1427
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: Go ahead, we think, yeah, yeah, his power is so

1428
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: great to get to this point any behind the scenes

1429
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: things you see, his passion isn't slowing down, his big

1430
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: business thinking, his his ideas, his he's still he still

1431
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: got it.

1432
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: So there's no need.

1433
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: There's no need to replace him at this point.

1434
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: And I don't think we're that If you're going to

1435
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: make the take that Dana White negatively fall, it doesn't

1436
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: support the building of new superstiz I wouldn't agree with that.

1437
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: This isn't like a Vince McMahon taken pro wrestling, where

1438
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: it's like, well he doesn't want the next scene or

1439
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: rock to be there. This is like he's trying to

1440
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: build the next stars. They're throwing people into fight sometimes

1441
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: to try to see if they had that star power.

1442
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: It's just not an exact science. Yeah, And this is

1443
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 2: a sport where you can lose fifty different ways. So

1444
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: when somebody goes on a GSP or John Jones or

1445
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: Demetrius Johnson type run, we need to stop an applaud

1446
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: because it's ridiculous.

1447
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's an interesting question. Here's what I would say

1448
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: if you grew up watching Dana White or my career began,

1449
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: not the exact same time as his, but not too

1450
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: far apart. If you watch that and then you went through,

1451
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he has toned it down massively. It used

1452
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: to be way more. The only liability came when those

1453
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: fighters launched the lawsuit against the UFC and they weaponized

1454
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: some of his anti competitive comments against them. But it

1455
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: remains to be seen whether he'll pay a cost for that.

1456
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: When that first happened, they UFC dialed back his schedule.

1457
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: He was only speaking to the Jim Romes and so

1458
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: forth of the world. Now he's back to talking to

1459
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: the MMA media, not all the time, but much more

1460
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: than he used to. He's doing the Tuesday Night Contender

1461
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: series scrums and whatnot. So the answer is, yeah, he

1462
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: has carte blanche. Like if there was ever a that

1463
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: that was going to impact him, it already would have.

1464
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: If you thought cutting Cyborg was avarant you missed the

1465
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: days when they threatened to cut everyone from AKA for

1466
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: not signing away their likeness rights for not a penny

1467
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: for a video game. You missed all of that. This

1468
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: is child's play.

1469
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: Now he can he can negatively influence the promotion of

1470
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: certain brands with his comments, but it doesn't seem to

1471
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: be lasting unless he's got a grudge.

1472
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: No, so people keep bringing this up. I just want

1473
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: to make this point, Like I like ESPN. I watch ESPN.

1474
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I think the UFC looks even

1475
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: better on ESPN than I ever thought it would. But

1476
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: this idea, it's like, oh, ESPN is going to be

1477
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: a big check to him, dude. ESPN is not a disinfectant.

1478
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: ESPN is an accelerant. It is a complete accelerant. Anything

1479
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: that they do, whether it's you know, you don't like

1480
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: that signing Greg Hardy or cutting Cyborg, ESPN is not

1481
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna make that look bad. And you can, they can

1482
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: say whatever they want. It's they're never gonna make that

1483
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: look bad. They are their partners. Who listen to Jimmy

1484
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: Pataro on the Rico Decode podcast with Peter Kofka, he

1485
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: talks about this, they see themselves as partners with the leagues,

1486
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: which is fine, that's their right to do. But this

1487
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: idea that like, oh they're gonna be you know, they're

1488
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: gonna hold their feet to the fire as their broadcast entity.

1489
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: No chance, no chance, or that Jeremy Shaft get on

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01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: there and really hammer them for it. Nope, where's Sarah

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Speaker 1: Spang saying Sarah Spain saying anything? Where's Dan Lebottard saying anything?

1492
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: Where is Bulmani Jones? Where is well was Roman Shelbing

1493
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: on there? He's there?

1494
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 3: Where is he saying anything?

1495
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: Okay? But I mean I think he also works for ESPN.

1496
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: The point being is the point being is the people

1497
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: who are like the ones who speak out against all

1498
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: the injustices in their normal sports you know us, they're

1499
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: geting real quiet about you. I mean it's just like, no,

1500
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: it's never gonna happen. So he's here until he's not here.

1501
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: Let's go to the next one. Look at this, we

1502
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: got UFC flyweight. Huh may see barber Wow? Verified, that's

1503
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: the blue check mark, bro Brian Campbell. What do they

1504
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: think about the beating I'm going to give on October

1505
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: eighteenth and Boston sticks on Jillian robertson four wins at

1506
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: women's flyweight. They're gonna compete on that wide men versus

1507
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: rees card Tegusta or no, no.

1508
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 3: She didn't deliver that. I'm gonna be there for broad

1509
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: to watch it.

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01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: Can't You're gonna go to that? What do you think

1511
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: about that fight? I actually love that fight. So you've

1512
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: got seven and three, Jillian Robertson taking on seven and

1513
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: oh Macy Barber. You got tough versus contender series. You've

1514
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: got finally a little bit of contender action happening at

1515
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: women's slot. You talking about how empty it was, Okay,

1516
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: it is, but it's starting to build a little bit.

1517
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 2: I mean, this is how you build faces and names.

1518
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: In two finishers, two people in Robertson and in Barbara

1519
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: who get after it? Bro? I love this fight you

1520
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: had me. I get after it. I'm ready. Oh, great analysis,

1521
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: great insight.

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01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 3: Every Monday, twelve Eastern.

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01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: Okay, very quickly, time for odds and ends, anything else

1524
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: you want to mention before we go.

1525
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 3: We had a nice sloppy weekend of boxing.

1526
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: Did you see that Fox main event heavyweights unbeaten out

1527
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: of Codnachi against Chris Ariola. I said it might be

1528
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: a soft, sloppy super Bowl coming in.

1529
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 3: These guys let their hands go.

1530
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: If there was a three eleven song that best described this,

1531
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: I might go beautiful Disaster although I know you were

1532
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 2: you wanted me to pick Amber right Omaha Styley, you know,

1533
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: because it's the color of your beard and your energy.

1534
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. They let their hands go. It

1535
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: was solid entertainment. It broke coffee box records for punches

1536
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 2: thrown and landed over a twelve round fight by heavyweights.

1537
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 3: But here's the thing for KOVNASKI, great.

1538
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: Dude kid on the way trying to be the first

1539
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: Polish heavyweight champion, has that fun style.

1540
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 3: Even though he won and one kind of dominantly in.

1541
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: A great fight.

1542
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: I think it was a step back from the idea

1543
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: of what he wants to do, which is get Deontay

1544
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 2: Wilder in the ring, get one.

1545
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: Of these big heavyweights.

1546
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he has the power to beat them.

1547
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna mention something about Kane velaskas well.

1548
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: I didn't get there yet. I think you want to

1549
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: mention kan Alaska because you.

1550
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, right from what you saw of Kvenki,

1551
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: can he beat the Wilder's furies and Joshua's I feel

1552
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 2: like he showed.

1553
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: You don't see how DC gas tank. He's not great infighting. Yeah,

1554
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: he's not gonna outbox Fury Wilder. I just feel like

1555
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: the firepower is way too much. And I guess the

1556
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: one against Joshua was kind of interesting.

1557
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: I'd be interesting believe and Andrewis might be a better

1558
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 2: version of Dad Bob Kovnatzki, but.

1559
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: A handspeed I think still gives the problems in ways

1560
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: that Kovnaski can't replicate. So that's a little more interesting.

1561
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: But I mean, we'll see, all right.

1562
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: Kanne Velaska is in Triple A in Mexico, made his

1563
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: pro wrestling debut and a six man tag Cody Roads involved.

1564
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: I know this is going.

1565
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 3: I don't know who passed your line of comfort here?

1566
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was fantastic. What does that mean?

1567
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 3: So he jumped in the ring wearing a lucha mask,

1568
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 3: came in with us.

1569
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what when celebrities come in, when

1570
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: they try to make the crossover, it's normally very safe.

1571
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: You're seeing basic kick punch slams. Kane Velaska heavyweight. Kane

1572
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: Vlaska is coming out there doing Hurricane Ranas. He's coming

1573
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: out there doing traditional Mexican lucha door moves. This made

1574
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: this was eye opening and it really made your wonder

1575
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: he can do this now he doesn't have the charisma.

1576
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the chrisma for UFC.

1577
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even though he had sort of a mini

1578
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: tryout with the WWE last year, they were impressed with

1579
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: him physically. I hear they weren't that impressed with him

1580
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: in terms of what he can do on the mic.

1581
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: But could you imagine him getting signed by a WW

1582
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: and going into a program with brock Les.

1583
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: You've ever seen? You ever been to like cirqu de Sile, Yes,

1584
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: you get to see all that. In other words, it's

1585
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: like pro wrestling, only it's good. You know what I'm saying, Sho.

1586
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: Try that out, hey, but we can we can't walk

1587
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: away from the show and end it right.

1588
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: I have one. I have one and ends for me.

1589
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: That one that really stood out to me. People were

1590
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: asking about some of the late stoppages at UFC on

1591
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: ESPN five, or the stoppages they thought were late, but

1592
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: referees were checking to see if chokes were had worked

1593
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: and all the times. I think there was three different

1594
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: situations where they had separated fighters and the fighter was unconscious.

1595
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: I think one was the Miller one, one was the

1596
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Poodulovo one. There's another one maybe it's silver one. I

1597
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: can't remember. But the point being is people are like,

1598
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, Herb Dean screwed up. Now, Herb Dean

1599
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: has screwed up many times. I think as every referee,

1600
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: even the best ones, have, he did not screw up

1601
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: this time. That is not true if you actually ask

1602
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: any jiujiterio what the rule is. Yes, you want a

1603
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: referee to be quick. You want a referee to be decisive,

1604
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: but you want a referee to be as thorough as possible.

1605
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: Taking one to two extra seconds to verify a choke

1606
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: is in is perfectly okay. There's a team in Manhattan.

1607
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned this before. I won't say who it is,

1608
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: but I know for a fact that they're pro practices.

1609
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: They have a no tap to chokes rule. Now I'm

1610
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: not saying that's the healthiest thing, but I'm saying inside

1611
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu it's not. I would much much rather a

1612
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: choke be held one to two seconds longer than is

1613
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: necessary to verify someone is unconscious than to have a

1614
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: situation where you're peeling an askering off of a of

1615
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: a law or or a Will brook sane past and tebow,

1616
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: where the referee doesn't check they check this time. It

1617
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: went a little bit long. All those fighters got up

1618
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: off their own power and they're fine. I'm not saying

1619
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: there's no health consequences to it, but savior criticisms of

1620
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: referees when it's deserved. Herbdine does not deserve criticism.

1621
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 3: Aspin Lan is still online one.

1622
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: All right, what happened that stoppage with the randomy We

1623
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 2: already went over that.

1624
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well okay, but hey, we can't close this show.

1625
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: We can't bury the lead any longer to talk about

1626
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: what today is?

1627
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: What is today?

1628
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: This guy's a man. Come after him. Thomas forty ounces

1629
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: to freedom today. You got up here, bring this in.

1630
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: Are Oh my god, look at this.

1631
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 2: From the team here with my face on the team

1632
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: here at Morning Combat below the belt show time.

1633
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: Oh look, do you have forty wishes to go? I'm

1634
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: gonna be like DC and throw my back out trying

1635
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: to blow these candles out.

1636
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: Look at that handsome guy that's at least five years ago.

1637
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Wow, I don't even know what to say.

1638
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm speechless. Well, thanks everybody, this is really sweet. I

1639
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: was not I was dude. My dad's not even gonna

1640
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: call me today. Like, this is amazing. Did they get

1641
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: a good shot at that? The kickup? Don't spill it

1642
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: like you will, don't help me support this here look

1643
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: at this and you can see very very very Oh yeah,

1644
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: I look like a Turkish dictator on that.

1645
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 3: Fantastic.

1646
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: I want to get enus Canter for this. Can you

1647
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: make a wish, Luke? Yeah, all right, you know what

1648
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: I wish. I wish that. In all seriousness, I have

1649
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: so much fun doing the show. It's really maybe the

1650
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: funnest thing I think I've ever done in all my years.

1651
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: And uh, to many more of these, man, this is awesome.

1652
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. Wow, I am blown away

1653
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: your birthday. Let's see if I throw my back out. No,

1654
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: it isn't there, it is all right, Thank you, Thank

1655
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: you everybody. I really appreciate you. Yes, I'm old and

1656
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: couldn't even blow my own fing birthday candle. So that's

1657
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: it for me and my life ends here. Thank you

1658
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: guys so much for watching. Like the video, subscribe to

1659
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: the channel. Uh stay tuned for Dissected that's going up soon.

1660
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: Appreciate you'all. Until next time, May all of your games

1661
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: be loyal. We are