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Speaker 6: Doing Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 3: You know, when they started quoting their favorite Maya Angelou
Speaker 3: passages to each other. My interpretation to Caged vote is
Speaker 3: singing for bitcoin. We never got a job for you. Tonight,
Speaker 3: Mark Cuban is going to be joining us.
Speaker 6: You know we mentioned Arlis.
Speaker 3: On this program occasionally. We do make fun of Donald
Speaker 3: Trump occasionally, and with the ribbing and the joshing and
Speaker 3: the pulling the pants down and the pointing. But he's
Speaker 3: in pain right now, multiple sources tell The Washington Post
Speaker 3: Trump has grown increasingly upset about Harris's surging poll numbers.
Speaker 3: Trump is quote complaining, relentlessly, posting multiple times on social media,
Speaker 3: clearly frustrated with Biden's decision to step aside, saying quote,
Speaker 3: now we have to start all over again. Not fair Jesus.
Speaker 3: A month ago, he was basically already the president. He
Speaker 3: had cheated death started a new ear accessory trend. Back then,
Speaker 3: people thought his VP.
Speaker 1: Selection was a smart choice.
Speaker 3: He had it all in the bag and it was
Speaker 3: taken away. It was perfect on the beamy. Now at
Speaker 3: the dismount who was walking the podium to get his medal,
Speaker 3: Romania files an inquiry at the.
Speaker 6: Last right, at the last minute, and they're just stealing
Speaker 6: it from it.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Romania file all you want, you're
Speaker 3: not getting a metal back. Oh I'm sorry, we have
Speaker 3: an inquiry. Yeah, good luck. But now, instead of enjoying
Speaker 3: the fruit of six years of Biden attacks, Trump's gotta
Speaker 3: start all over again, and the audience has to literally
Speaker 3: sit through him getting up to speed.
Speaker 6: There are numerous ways of saying her name. You can
Speaker 6: say Kamala.
Speaker 7: You can say Kamala, Kamala, Kamala, Hey Kamala.
Speaker 8: Trump misspelled Harris's first name as Mabla.
Speaker 3: I get Kamala, I get Kamala, Kamabla. Judges, are we
Speaker 3: taking kamabla. I hope the Romanians don't have a problem
Speaker 3: with that. But you know what, I guess what Trump
Speaker 3: calls her isn't as important as figuring out what she is.
Speaker 3: I don't know is she Indian or is she black?
Speaker 7: Yes, she was Indian all the way, and then all
Speaker 7: of a sudden, she made a turn and she went
Speaker 7: she became a black.
Speaker 3: What am I gonna do with all my Indian ethnic
Speaker 3: slurs that was gonna use mostly involved termerica human. She
Speaker 3: made a turn into black. He talks about it like
Speaker 3: she wandered into the wrong neighborhood. She went driving on
Speaker 3: the Upper West Side, and then boom.
Speaker 6: She's in Harlem. Boom. Let it turn.
Speaker 3: You know what, Donald, you're clearly struggling. Let's get some
Speaker 3: issue oriented ideas flowing here. You know we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: Come on, my brother, I'm gonna help you out. Here's
Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. We're gonna do, We're gonna do
Speaker 3: some apparently I'm in a musical about gambling. All of
Speaker 3: a sudden, Yeah, all right, here we go. I got
Speaker 3: my pan, I got my pad, I got my advisor.
Speaker 3: Forget the biographical suffer. Now let's focus on the issues.
Speaker 9: I saw it yesterday on ABC which they said, oh,
Speaker 9: the crowd was so big, and I've spoken to the
Speaker 9: biggest crowds. Nobody's spoken to crowds bigger than me.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, that's one of those mom and pop issues.
Speaker 3: For the single issue crowd sized voter. I'd move on.
Speaker 3: But oh, you've got more.
Speaker 9: I had one hundred and seven thousand people in New Jersey.
Speaker 9: You didn't report it. I'm so glad you as what
Speaker 9: does she have yesterday? Two thousand people we had in
Speaker 9: Harrisburg twenty twenty five thousand people and twenty thousand people
Speaker 9: couldn't get in. We had so many nobody ever mentions
Speaker 9: that when she gets fifteen hundred people, they said, oh
Speaker 9: the crowd was so big, I have ten times, twenty times,
Speaker 9: thirty times the crowd size.
Speaker 6: I had an infinity crowd.
Speaker 3: One guys.
Speaker 6: You had one guy named Jeff.
Speaker 3: All right, very clear, everybody she has nobody? Can we
Speaker 3: move on?
Speaker 1: He wrote?
Speaker 10: Has anyone noticed that Kamala cheated at the airport? There
Speaker 10: was nobody at the plane, and she aied it and
Speaker 10: showed a massive crowd of so called followers, but they
Speaker 10: didn't exist he goes on to say she's a cheater.
Speaker 10: She had nobody waiting, and the crowd looked like ten
Speaker 10: thousand people.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Now all right, for those of you
Speaker 3: at Almo are saying like, oh, it sounds like he's
Speaker 3: losing his mind. Just because there's video and photographic evidence
Speaker 3: that Kamala Harris's crowd was real doesn't mean that it
Speaker 3: was real. And then you might say, oh, well, John,
Speaker 3: I was actually there. I was in the crowd, and
Speaker 3: have you considered you're not real? Have you considered that
Speaker 3: what is this? Nald Trump doesn't need to fake news
Speaker 3: media and their AI crowd shots to win this thing
Speaker 3: because he's got inside information on Kamala Harris from someone
Speaker 3: she used to date.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 6: I know Willie Brown very well. In fact, I went
Speaker 6: down in a helicopter with him. We thought maybe this
Speaker 6: is the end.
Speaker 3: We were in a helicopter going.
Speaker 7: To a certain location together and there was an emergency landing,
Speaker 7: but he told me terrible things about her.
Speaker 6: You were in a helicopter.
Speaker 3: With former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, who famously dated
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, and while the helicopter was going down as
Speaker 3: you were plunging.
Speaker 6: To your imminent death.
Speaker 5: Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown turns to you and says,
Speaker 5: this might not mean anything to you now, but to you,
Speaker 5: do you.
Speaker 11: Remember that, lady, I was going out with the prosecutor
Speaker 11: well before we die.
Speaker 6: I just want you to know she worst.
Speaker 3: I do not want to meet my maker without giving
Speaker 3: you that piece of information. If you survive, you may
Speaker 3: need it.
Speaker 12: Oh my god, I.
Speaker 3: Gotta tell you. I'm sure a moment like that was
Speaker 3: seared not only in the memory of Donald Trump, but
Speaker 3: also into the memory of former Mayor Willie Brown.
Speaker 6: To be clear, you have never been on a helicopter
Speaker 6: with Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And he made a mistake.
Speaker 9: Thought it was.
Speaker 3: What what.
Speaker 6: That is so dum that I'm sure that is not
Speaker 6: what happened.
Speaker 3: What are the chances Trump is just mixing up his
Speaker 3: black people.
Speaker 13: It seems that the African American politician in question was
Speaker 13: not Kamala Harris's ex former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown,
Speaker 13: but rather this man Nate Holden, a former Los Angeles
Speaker 13: City Council member who says he had a bumpy ride
Speaker 13: with Trump in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, do you know what This means.
Speaker 3: Nate Holden, former Los Angeles City Council member, told Donald
Speaker 3: Trump as their.
Speaker 6: Helicopter was going down.
Speaker 3: Bad things about Kamala Harris that I guess Willie Brown
Speaker 3: had told him if they knew each other. That is
Speaker 3: the only explanation, right.
Speaker 13: Hold Him saying, quote, Willie is the short black guy
Speaker 13: living in San Francisco.
Speaker 12: I'm a tall black guy living in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: I guess we all look alike. Hey, Donald Trump is
Speaker 3: not racious. He just meets a lot of people on
Speaker 3: death helicopters and he needs some mnemonic device help. If
Speaker 3: the chopper goes down, that's not Willie Brown.
Speaker 6: Head a little little device heard one.
Speaker 3: If the flight's not going great, you're probably riding with me.
Speaker 6: Look, people.
Speaker 3: They pulled the candidate Trump was crushing. It's hard. You
Speaker 3: think you could write a new Hour in a month.
Speaker 3: It's not easy. He's trying. He's trying out some good
Speaker 3: catastrophizing on Harris.
Speaker 9: If Harris wins this election, you will quickly have a crash.
Speaker 9: Like in nineteen twenty nine, we could end up in
Speaker 9: World War three.
Speaker 6: The suburbs will be overrun.
Speaker 3: Boom, That's what I'm talking about. Stock market crash, world
Speaker 3: War three, suburbs destroyed, it's fresh, it's new. We haven't
Speaker 3: heard what was that? And I'm sorry.
Speaker 9: If Biden got it, you'll have a stock market crash
Speaker 9: the likes of nineteen twenty nine are worse, a very
Speaker 9: real risk of World War three. They're going to, in
Speaker 9: my opinion, destroy Somebia.
Speaker 3: This is just a remix, Dude. You can't just find
Speaker 3: and replace Biden with Kamala. That's lazy apocalypsing. Look, man,
Speaker 3: if you want us to genuinely fear your opponent as
Speaker 3: the existential threat you'd like to make them out to be,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to do better than boilerplate cut and paste. Shit.
Speaker 3: You're better than this. Donald.
Speaker 9: Joe Biden is a failed president. She was a failed
Speaker 9: vice president, the worst president in the history, the worst
Speaker 9: vice president in history.
Speaker 7: He is incompetent, she's incompetent.
Speaker 9: Everything he's touched has been bad, Everything she's touched has
Speaker 9: turned to bad things. He can't talk, she can't talk,
Speaker 9: and in many ways he's worse than Burnie.
Speaker 6: She's worse than Burnie low IQ. He's a low IQ individual.
Speaker 7: She happens to be really a low IQ individual.
Speaker 1: Serially goes she has a very low IQ.
Speaker 3: This is bullshit, man. This is like when Elton John
Speaker 3: changed like three words and then pretended Candle in the Wind
Speaker 3: was always about Diana. It wasn't.
Speaker 6: Very disrespectful to Marylynd.
Speaker 3: Too soon.
Speaker 6: Here's the problem.
Speaker 3: Even when Trump does figure out how to come a Kamala,
Speaker 3: it's not really landing because most of the time the
Speaker 3: bad stuff he's saying about her applies even more to him.
Speaker 9: If Kamala will lie to you so brazenly about Joe
Speaker 9: Biden's mental incapacity, then she will lie to you about anything.
Speaker 6: She can never ever be trusted.
Speaker 3: Yes, Donald Trump is telling America not to elect a liar.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is saying that I don't about a liar.
Speaker 3: I mean, for God's sake, He's like the Michael Jordan
Speaker 3: of lie, or, as Trump would say it, the Willie
Speaker 3: Brown of lyon and confusion. Look, I had to say it.
Speaker 14: I don't think Trump has gone in him to go
Speaker 14: after Kamala Harris. He's been fighting Joe Biden for six years,
Speaker 14: it's all he knows. He misses the fight so much
Speaker 14: he was still workshopping nicknames for Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: This weekend. What do you like better?
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter anymore, But what do you like better?
Speaker 1: Crooked Joe or sleepy Joe?
Speaker 3: Sleepy Joe? Crooked Joe. This is sad. It's like seeing
Speaker 3: an old man talking to an empty spot on the
Speaker 3: bench and then you realize that's where his wife used
Speaker 3: to sit. He would give up.
Speaker 6: Everything for just one more moment. We cook at Joe.
Speaker 9: I hear he's gonna make it come back at the
Speaker 9: Demokrat convention. He's gonna walk into the room and he's
Speaker 9: gonna say, I want my presidency back, I want another chance.
Speaker 6: To debate Trump.
Speaker 1: I want another Chand he's not coming back.
Speaker 3: He's not coming back.
Speaker 5: Donald.
Speaker 6: Hey, you know how I know he's.
Speaker 3: Not coming back. We have a camera on him. That's him.
Speaker 3: He's just sitting there at the beach, having an Arnold Palmer.
Speaker 3: You can hear him sighing over the waves. Does this
Speaker 3: look like a man marshaling his forces to take back
Speaker 3: the nomination or filming a Corona commercial? He's finding his beach.
Speaker 3: It's over. There's only one way, Donald, meet me a
Speaker 3: camera one Hello, friend, May I call you Donald? I
Speaker 3: get it. You wanted to run against Joe Biden. Just
Speaker 3: two old dudes go in toe to toe fungus last Hurrah,
Speaker 3: Rocky twelve.
Speaker 6: It's not there.
Speaker 3: Now You've got to run against someone who appears healthy
Speaker 3: and youthful and happy, her vigor standing as a stark
Speaker 3: counterpoint to whatever front butt thing you have going on.
Speaker 3: And it's pretty clear that Biden isn't going to do
Speaker 3: what needs to be done to stop this steal. I know,
Speaker 3: love stopping steals right feeling me. Kamala Harris accepts the
Speaker 3: nomination next Thursday night, which means it may be time
Speaker 3: to get the gang together storm the convention pull in
Speaker 3: August twenty second, this time on behalf of Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: All you need is thousands of supporters who have not
Speaker 3: yet been sent to jail yet for being part of
Speaker 3: the Last.
Speaker 6: Mood or God sent to jail so.
Speaker 3: Early in the process, they're already out. If only there
Speaker 3: was a sign of the righteousness of this cause.
Speaker 8: A federal judge ruling the Department of Justice must return
Speaker 8: the spear and for helmet belonging to Quenon Shaman, Jacob Chancelly.
Speaker 6: Shaman donn Fair helmet we ride on for Bidon when
Speaker 6: we go back Markibbing, it's here, don't go away.
Speaker 3: Let me write back. What about to Dallas show, I
Speaker 3: guess tonight an entrepreneur, an already owner of the NBA's
Speaker 3: Dallas Merrick's, co founder of Costs Plus drug company.
Speaker 15: Please welcome Mark Kibbn, sir, welcome, Thank you, you are
Speaker 15: you're fair.
Speaker 6: Security.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear you what you said.
Speaker 3: This is a no, this is a Nicks. They love that.
Speaker 6: Now are people in New York?
Speaker 3: Are they because of the history between the Mavericks and
Speaker 3: the Knicks generally with the trades where you fleeced us
Speaker 3: to a certain extent? Uh, do you find there's a
Speaker 3: kindness that is uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm extended to you, Nick. Literally if I
Speaker 1: like to walk in New York, right and just today
Speaker 1: walking down the.
Speaker 3: Street, Yeah, Ku man, we love you and it's.
Speaker 1: Crazy literally great basketball fans here. I get all kinds
Speaker 1: of love.
Speaker 3: And that's what you get in New York. That's what
Speaker 3: they shout at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I get. And now it's more
Speaker 1: thanks for JB. Right, but yeah, that's what I write.
Speaker 3: Well, Jalen, But now, did you have any idea when
Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson was there, and I'm sorry to go down
Speaker 3: this road, but I'm a Nick fan and this is
Speaker 3: just you're gonna have to sit through. Ith Jalen Brunson
Speaker 3: was not He started in the playoffs when uh yeah,
Speaker 3: when Luca got us, did you have any idea that
Speaker 3: he would become this all nb a phenomenon. He's undersized,
Speaker 3: he doesn't. His footwork is so phenomenal.
Speaker 1: No, no idea. I mean, I mean he was talented,
Speaker 1: but he was picked in the second round. If everybody knew,
Speaker 1: he would have been a top five pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you redraft that draft other than Luca, he is
Speaker 1: a top three or five pick.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, but more credit to him. He worked
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's and it just seems like a phenomenal guy.
Speaker 3: And then decided to take a contract for less money
Speaker 3: than he could have made.
Speaker 1: So let's talk politics.
Speaker 3: By the way. Now you are in this interesting position
Speaker 3: in your career where you've sort of above you are now,
Speaker 3: even though I think your leanings are probably you consider
Speaker 3: more independent, more libertarian, you are the left's favorite billionaire
Speaker 3: because and I can't I don't know if it's because
Speaker 3: there's a certain mellowing that occurs as you get older,
Speaker 3: or if this new sort of tech bro phenomenon is
Speaker 3: so dystopian in its formulation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is all who I've always been.
Speaker 1: I haven't been like the rich guy trying to act
Speaker 1: like a rich guy. My friends just still my high
Speaker 1: school buddies, my college buddies, my rugby buddies. But watching
Speaker 1: what's happened in Silicon Valley is insane, right right. It's
Speaker 1: not so much a support thing. It's more like a
Speaker 1: takeover thing, trying to put themselves in a position to
Speaker 1: have as much control as possible. They want Trump to
Speaker 1: be the CEO of the United States of America, and
Speaker 1: they want to be the board of directors that makes
Speaker 1: him listen to them.
Speaker 3: It's not a good What is the ethos? Because it
Speaker 3: seems like in the old days of innovation there was
Speaker 3: a certain amount of we're innervating the Internet, we're taking things.
Speaker 3: Now it seems much more about sort of this social
Speaker 3: engineering and transhumanism, and we are going to join with
Speaker 3: computers and together eight of us are going to run
Speaker 3: everything dominating, right, Is that the ethos? You see?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I go yeah, you just said yeah,
Speaker 1: they've gotten to the point now where they feel like
Speaker 1: they should control the world, right, and that there should
Speaker 1: be a CEO in charge of everything. But because they
Speaker 1: have a good photo app because of riches, right, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like you get to that point sometimes where
Speaker 1: I think they've lost the connection to real world.
Speaker 3: Is it boredom? Like is there a certain extent like
Speaker 3: if you're like a Bezos or one of those guys,
Speaker 3: you just you've sold so many books that you're just like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to live on Mars.
Speaker 1: Like It's just I think it's more what's their next act? Right,
Speaker 1: We've like, we invented this, we did this, we created that.
Speaker 1: What can we do next? Somebody wants to go to Mars? Well,
Speaker 1: what can we do here back on Earth? Well, let's
Speaker 1: I mean look at Elon right, Elon and being one
Speaker 1: of those powerful people. He's trying to be the most
Speaker 1: influential man in the world. It sounds like a commercial,
Speaker 1: but literally that's what Twitter has given.
Speaker 3: I've got to say I think he might be that
Speaker 3: because I don't even think he's trying to. When you
Speaker 3: when you talk about somebody who is setting up satellite
Speaker 3: links for war zones and also controlling discourse in the
Speaker 3: most important platform, the most.
Speaker 1: Powerful, because Twitter is in every almost every country, right,
Speaker 1: and so Twitter gives him the ability to connect to
Speaker 1: the prime minister, the head of every country in the
Speaker 1: world that's right, and that that person whoever is in
Speaker 1: charge of that country has an interest in what happens
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and what happens on Twitter because of the
Speaker 1: control of the algorithms. Being the biggest user is all
Speaker 1: dependent on Elon Musk. He literally wherever his thumb wants
Speaker 1: to go, he gets to push his hard certainly.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's transparent about where he wants things to go.
Speaker 3: I think he's very clear that civil war is inevitable
Speaker 3: and that white people are under concerning right, it's it's
Speaker 3: you know, it'll be like civil wars inevitable. And then
Speaker 3: he'll write underneath there, you know, kind of an undersavment
Speaker 3: on there. But uh, I can't I can't decide whether
Speaker 3: or not it's better to know exactly where he stands
Speaker 3: and know where he's going to be put the thumb on,
Speaker 3: because he's clearly a very bright guy. Yes, and he
Speaker 3: has a media empire that has the largest reach and
Speaker 3: most influence of anything on the face of the earth,
Speaker 3: and there's no question he's going to leverage it in
Speaker 3: this election, no question.
Speaker 1: But the crazy part is he has more impact globally
Speaker 1: than he does domestically in my opinion, right, because when
Speaker 1: you go on X you see a preponderance of right
Speaker 1: leaning people. You don't see a lot.
Speaker 3: They're all over my for you. I've never clicked on
Speaker 3: any of these.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the whole thing. That's the way algorithms work, right, what, Yes.
Speaker 6: They do the opposite of what I want. Yes, but
Speaker 6: somebody tells them when you write an algorithm.
Speaker 1: I haven't written a lot, it's been a while. But
Speaker 1: when you write one, you get to set the parameters
Speaker 1: of what you want to see happen. And he certainly
Speaker 1: has done that to the things he likes. But it's
Speaker 1: different in other platforms. And the good news is what
Speaker 1: twenty percent of adults in the United States are on Twitter,
Speaker 1: So I mean there's eighty percent who aren't there.
Speaker 3: But isn't this a certain amount of of uh tech
Speaker 3: bro malpractice that there is this incredible uh need in
Speaker 3: the marketplace of something that is slightly less biased or
Speaker 3: you know, toxic when it comes through there and like
Speaker 3: they came out with threads, and you're on it for
Speaker 3: two seconds and you're like, I think I need an app.
Speaker 1: No, I like threads. Threads is getting better. Try it.
Speaker 3: No, h here's something that doesn't sell online. No, it's
Speaker 3: getting better.
Speaker 6: That may be the worst wor saleshit ever.
Speaker 3: Okay for any of these, but see, you you do
Speaker 3: disrupt industries like there is. See that's why I would
Speaker 3: have thought, and I think you've said this that Trump
Speaker 3: appealed to you at first because there is a certain outsider.
Speaker 3: And look, we both know our government, there is a
Speaker 3: status quo, and there is a capture by lobbies and
Speaker 3: by big businesses that write this legislation and end up
Speaker 3: gaining advantage that needs to be disrupted.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: When did it occur to you that he didn't necessarily
Speaker 3: want to free it. He wanted to have the deed
Speaker 3: to the swamp signed over to.
Speaker 1: Him about the third time I talked to him, Right,
Speaker 1: it was he wasn't about changing. I mean, the conversations
Speaker 1: I would have with him. I'm like, there was a
Speaker 1: time when are these phone conversational conversations? Yes?
Speaker 3: Is it zoom? No?
Speaker 6: It wasn't zoom.
Speaker 1: Right, that was pre zoom. Actually does he FaceTime? No,
Speaker 1: that didn't FaceTime, right, But like we were talking about
Speaker 1: this one debate for CNBC that he wasn't going to
Speaker 1: be at, and I'm.
Speaker 6: Like, don' going much?
Speaker 3: Not going?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Donald, why don't you go to a
Speaker 1: local small business and sit there at the table and
Speaker 1: just show off your business, chops right, and show people
Speaker 1: your business? He goes Mark, Donald Trump and Mark Cuban
Speaker 1: don't go to people's houses and have dinner. Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? That's who he is. Right when we talked
Speaker 1: about what's he going to do with the ground game out,
Speaker 1: I got all these religious people who are going to
Speaker 1: do their work.
Speaker 3: For me Jesus. So he in his mind. So I
Speaker 3: think this is very interesting because and maybe you know
Speaker 3: this too, he runs a family business, so he is
Speaker 3: an essence and monarch. It's a dictatorship. And maybe there's
Speaker 3: not as much malevolence to his actions as oh, this
Speaker 3: America can be a subsidiary of the Trump organization because
Speaker 3: this is how I run it. And they might say, well,
Speaker 3: we have checks and balances and division of government, and
Speaker 3: he just thinks himself, yeah, no, we're gonna get out
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the sense I get. That's what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my country, right, everybody else is bad? Donald good?
Speaker 3: Okay, and so Donald good. So whoever thinks Donald goold also.
Speaker 1: Come along with the for the ride? Right? I mean,
Speaker 1: he just brought hate and anger to politics, and that
Speaker 1: is a sales pitch when.
Speaker 3: You talk to him. Is that a part of his
Speaker 3: general conversation or do you think that is a strategic
Speaker 3: demagoguing of he wants to get that emotion.
Speaker 1: That wasn't what we talked about. But I think that's
Speaker 1: Donald is a sales rep. He's a salesperson. He's going
Speaker 1: to follow what works and whatever. He's going to try
Speaker 1: all kinds of different things. He's going to talk to
Speaker 1: all kinds of different people and he'll try things out
Speaker 1: and if it works, it's going to.
Speaker 3: He's going to do more of it. Do you see
Speaker 3: him on his heels?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 3: When was the last time that you sort of had
Speaker 3: these counseling sessions.
Speaker 1: No, there weren't. I talked to him probably twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I talked to him during the pandemic because I was
Speaker 1: trying to help him with different things. Look, he's still
Speaker 1: the president of the United States. It's still our country, right,
Speaker 1: So I tried to help him with PPE and a
Speaker 1: lot of different things, a lot of medical cares type stuff.
Speaker 3: Sure we got who suggested the bleach is that you
Speaker 3: is that everything. Everything's going great, everything's working. Cuban Prince says,
Speaker 3: have you tried drinking liquid plumber? I did not say
Speaker 3: drink I said in Jack, all.
Speaker 6: Right, I heard so.
Speaker 3: All this is going on. You've soured. So what is
Speaker 3: your relationship now with this tech world? And how does
Speaker 3: AI fit into that? And how do you remain bullish
Speaker 3: on those innovations when they so clearly are working to
Speaker 3: avoid any kind of regulation of these new innovations.
Speaker 1: Okay, two things. One, they're there because they're rich, not
Speaker 1: because they're tech bros. Or because they just happen to
Speaker 1: make their money in tech. I don't think that's really
Speaker 1: applicable the AI side. You know, I've been in technology
Speaker 1: for a long time, and you can always look at
Speaker 1: a new tech PCs, networks, the Internet, streaming whatever, and say, okay,
Speaker 1: in five years, this is what's going to happen. Right,
Speaker 1: have a good sense with AI. You can't do that
Speaker 1: with large language models. We have no idea whether it's
Speaker 1: going to zig or zag or what the impact is
Speaker 1: going to be. And that's the good news and the
Speaker 1: bad news. The good news is we're dominating right now
Speaker 1: globally the United States. Is the bad news is in
Speaker 1: terms of in terms of are the quality and the
Speaker 1: impact of the AI and the advancements that we're introducing
Speaker 1: in AI, the research that we're doing, we are, without
Speaker 1: questioning the leader, and that's really important from a defense perspective, military,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And also you know, from a business perspective,
Speaker 1: it's going to have a big impact on this country.
Speaker 1: I personally think it's generally positive, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of uncertainty to come.
Speaker 3: And so when you know, what gives you the hope
Speaker 3: that it's generally positive because I as a counterpoint, we
Speaker 3: heard the same thing about social media, and we heard
Speaker 3: the same thing about all these different innovations of the connectivity.
Speaker 3: And yet every time I turn on Congress, Zuckerberg is
Speaker 3: up there like, look, I'm really sad. I didn't know
Speaker 3: it was going to kill all your daughters.
Speaker 1: Like no, remember, it's still just a short window. Social
Speaker 1: media you know, has really only been prominent last six
Speaker 1: years and I think we'll learn and we'll evolve, and
Speaker 1: the same thing will happen with AI. There's going to
Speaker 1: be points in time where it's up right and people
Speaker 1: are using it. But I think over time, particularly with
Speaker 1: gen Z, right, gen Z is a different beast. You know,
Speaker 1: boomers are idiots. I mean we went from sex, We
Speaker 1: went from sex, drugs and rock and all to Fox News.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't get any worse than that, right,
Speaker 1: And they're trying to we haven't done what And they're
Speaker 1: trying to define regulations, right, And that's hard, right, that's
Speaker 1: really really And so I think gen Z has a
Speaker 1: better understanding and a better feel for AI and where
Speaker 1: it's going and would maybe be able to come up
Speaker 1: with better uses, better implementations, and better regulation.
Speaker 3: Does it concern you that the implementation time frame? So
Speaker 3: when you think about the industrial revolution, right, and you
Speaker 3: think about the disruption or globalization, the disruption to the workforce,
Speaker 3: the way that labor can travel and labor cannot travel
Speaker 3: but capital can, right, and all these different things that
Speaker 3: were kind of a race to the bottom for American
Speaker 3: workers to a large extent. But all those changes took
Speaker 3: place over sometimes the century, sometimes decades, the changes in
Speaker 3: AI the disrupt Right. So when you've got something that
Speaker 3: disrupts to maybe even a larger extent than globalization did,
Speaker 3: to maybe a larger extent than the Industrial Revolution did,
Speaker 3: and it's going to happen by Thursday, in what world
Speaker 3: are humans in any way capable and set to withstand
Speaker 3: that disruption.
Speaker 1: I think we'll be able to withstand it. But I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be very disruptive. And the problem
Speaker 1: is it's going to happen anyways. And you know, somebody here,
Speaker 1: your son at Duke right, can say I've got this
Speaker 1: great idea, I'm going to implement it with an open source,
Speaker 1: large language model and I'm going to take it in.
Speaker 3: That's so weird he did say that to me, right.
Speaker 1: But gen Z is different, right, gen Z I think
Speaker 1: looks at humanity. Humanity differently, is kinder, Like I've got
Speaker 1: three kids, fifteen, eighteen and twenty one, right, right, and
Speaker 1: they're just nicer, right, They're not like we were.
Speaker 3: So are you trying to say, like, are we weathering?
Speaker 3: What is the last gasp of this kind of more
Speaker 3: misanthropic moment in history? So in your mind, whatever happens,
Speaker 3: this is going to be a more misanthropic decade that
Speaker 3: will be ameliorated by this younger generation.
Speaker 1: Right, I hope so, because the regulatory cap the way
Speaker 1: we've always done politics right now is everybody's chasing power
Speaker 1: and nothing will give you more power than military and AI.
Speaker 1: And I think the algorithm, I mean, we talked going
Speaker 1: back to algorithms again, right, driven by AI. That's the
Speaker 1: most powerful element in the world right now because everybody
Speaker 1: just gets whatever they're seeing reinforced. And if you want
Speaker 1: to influence somebody, just manipulate the algorithm and you'll get
Speaker 1: their attention.
Speaker 3: And so but I think, so, what's the remedy on
Speaker 3: that if there's no one working a pushback? If pushing
Speaker 3: back on that is considered.
Speaker 1: You just got to go censorship. It's just one of
Speaker 1: those things where you've got to go through it.
Speaker 3: It's an evolution of a new media model.
Speaker 1: Just an evolution of technology, right media, right, because if
Speaker 1: we don't do it, the Chinese and the Russians will
Speaker 1: because the only thing that holds AI back is processing power,
Speaker 1: electricity and ingenuity, right, and I think our ingenuity wins.
Speaker 1: I'm still a big believer in an American exceptionalism. I
Speaker 1: still believe that we've got the best technologists in the world,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why we have to open that
Speaker 1: door for AI.
Speaker 3: So ultimately it becomes a question of the world is
Speaker 3: going to be carved up in the way that it's
Speaker 3: always been somewhat carved up in terms of its resources.
Speaker 3: The question is is it carved up by the Western
Speaker 3: world or is it carved up by somebody else, a
Speaker 3: different world? And do they set up a different system.
Speaker 3: And I'm assuming that Russia and China see a unique
Speaker 3: vulnerability in the West's ascension in this moment that's been
Speaker 3: the world order since nineteenth five.
Speaker 1: Everybody looks at it, right, and looks at it and
Speaker 1: says Ai, if I can he who controls Ai? Right?
Speaker 1: And so, But we've done a good job of limiting processors.
Speaker 1: The New Semiconductor Act will help us quite a bit,
Speaker 1: and we'll bring things. You know, we were already doing
Speaker 1: most of those things here.
Speaker 3: Right, So how do you resist the ring? Right? So,
Speaker 3: like Lord of the Rings, the ring of like it's
Speaker 3: the one thing. Boy, when you get the ring, you
Speaker 3: just don't want to let it go. How do you
Speaker 3: resist that? Because you've got the money, You've got the influence.
Speaker 3: You could be that guy. You could be setting those
Speaker 3: things up and doing all that. But you're just trying
Speaker 3: to get us like better generic aspirin.
Speaker 6: Like what is happening?
Speaker 3: No, No, I tell you that.
Speaker 1: I know what I know, and I know what I
Speaker 1: can do. I know what I'm good at.
Speaker 3: Okay, And you're not tempted by the ring that's in front.
Speaker 1: Of it, because I think there's a different ring, right,
Speaker 1: Because yeah, AI could be the end all be all technologically,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't play to my strengths, and the ups
Speaker 1: and downs and ins and outs are just not me.
Speaker 1: But you want to talk about pharmacy, what could be
Speaker 1: better than the healthcare system in the United States of
Speaker 1: America and make it feel it's affordable?
Speaker 3: But that does your things?
Speaker 1: There's the path there, there is.
Speaker 3: I imagine when you get in that position, at that height,
Speaker 3: you can't help but hear the siren call of you
Speaker 3: could run this whole thank you, But maybe a little bit,
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit, but you know, just I hate
Speaker 3: to use the cliches, but the way I was raised,
Speaker 3: I've got three kids, right, and I don't want to
Speaker 3: miss that, you know, I don't want to be ninety
Speaker 3: five and look back and say I was president, but
Speaker 3: I didn't get to know my kids at all. Right,
Speaker 3: you know, I'd rather say healthcare and everybody's healthier, and
Speaker 3: everybody's got a better world to live in. And my
Speaker 3: kids and I have friends, were close. You know, they
Speaker 3: bring over the grandkids and the kids' kids, and that's
Speaker 3: just more important to me. Right. And do you have
Speaker 3: your eye on other industries right now where you can
Speaker 3: do sort of the same thing.
Speaker 1: If this pharmacy and where you know, costplus Drugs dot constant,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that sales pitch in there. Costplus Drugs
Speaker 1: dot Com is literally in process of having a significant
Speaker 1: impact on the drug market. Right. We are pushing generic
Speaker 1: drugs down down now, we're right around the corner front.
Speaker 3: Well, you're negotiating prices in a way that hasn't been
Speaker 3: done private.
Speaker 1: Right, So when you go prior to us, there was
Speaker 1: no transparency whatsoever, right, and so nobody knew what the
Speaker 1: price of any medication was, whether you're an employer playing.
Speaker 3: For you, and it's just run by these boards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the these pharmacy benefit managers are dictating prices left
Speaker 1: and right. They're basically stealing money from employers and employees.
Speaker 1: And so we walked in there and said, what's the
Speaker 1: one missing piece transparency? So when you go to costplus
Speaker 1: Drugs dot com, you put in the name of the
Speaker 1: medication you might take. Let's just say to Dila Phil, right,
Speaker 1: I know you don't know what's drug.
Speaker 3: I'm so hopped up on I have no idea. Do
Speaker 3: you know what it is?
Speaker 1: I don't generic sialis.
Speaker 3: As I said before, I am so hot.
Speaker 1: When you go to cost plus Drugs dot com and
Speaker 1: you put into Dila phil or what I mean. First
Speaker 1: thing we do is we show you our cost. Then
Speaker 1: we show you our markup is which is always fifteen percent,
Speaker 1: and everybody gets the same price because we're mill order
Speaker 1: to start, we're starting to partner with pharmacies. Now there's
Speaker 1: a shipping fee and then there's a fee for the
Speaker 1: pharmacists to review everything. And when you do it that way,
Speaker 1: this is legal. Of course it's legal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's good old American capitalism.
Speaker 1: But let me just tell you the impact. There are
Speaker 1: drugs that there's a drug called a matinet for chemotherapy
Speaker 1: that when we started, the price of a matinet if
Speaker 1: you just walked into a big pharmacy, A big chain
Speaker 1: pharmacy was going to be two thousand dollars. You go
Speaker 1: to costplus Drugs dot com, it's under thirty. There's a
Speaker 1: drug drox a dopa. Right, actually said Sandy, I had
Speaker 1: a friend, I had a front landed who was in
Speaker 1: a terrific car crash and he needed this drug droxidopa
Speaker 1: and lost his insurance. It was going to be thirty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars every three months. I'm like, let me just
Speaker 1: check the seafood. We can get it sixty four dollars
Speaker 1: a month, and the price has gone down since all
Speaker 1: because we were transparent.
Speaker 3: But like, weren't there dudes like Martin Screlly in jail
Speaker 3: for shit like that, Like when you jack prices up
Speaker 3: like that? And why can't the United States government negotiate
Speaker 3: in terms of if you're the largest customer to any industry,
Speaker 3: it's criminal that you wouldn't use any leverage to make
Speaker 3: those things more available.
Speaker 1: The problem was there's this thing called pharmacy benefit managers, right,
Speaker 1: and they're basically responsible for doing the negotiating with to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, Medicare, but with all the large employers,
Speaker 1: if you're one of those big companies that cover one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million employees across the country. That's who
Speaker 1: you negotiate with. And the first rule when they negotiate,
Speaker 1: they say, is you can't talk about this. It's like
Speaker 1: fight club. You cannot say what your price is. You
Speaker 1: can't say what we're doing in our negotiation. And they
Speaker 1: got so big doing that that nobody ever questioned them.
Speaker 1: We come along, and actually Martin scurelly plays a little
Speaker 1: part in this whole thing because when he got thrown
Speaker 1: in jail, I was talking to Alex Oshmyanski, my partner,
Speaker 1: and it's like, if this dude can just jack up
Speaker 1: the price, it is not an efficient market. That means
Speaker 1: nobody knows what the real cost is. If we publish
Speaker 1: our price, boom, the whole world's going to change. And
Speaker 1: as it turns out, the FTC just came out with
Speaker 1: this report criticizing the PBMs. They used our pricing data.
Speaker 1: The smartest thing we did was so now.
Speaker 3: So this brings up so FTC is a federal Trade Comission,
Speaker 3: and boy, there's nothing the tech world hates.
Speaker 6: More than the FC than the FTC. So how does
Speaker 6: that square?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like any agency, they do, something's right
Speaker 1: and something's wrong. So but in this case with the PBMs,
Speaker 1: they're crushing them and it's justified.
Speaker 3: Now is it something that can't be done throughout the
Speaker 3: healthcare because one of the difficulties with healthcare is the
Speaker 3: contingencies of you can't really comparison shop. When you have
Speaker 3: a heart attack, you're basically saying, drive me to the
Speaker 3: closest hospital and take care of it. But those prices
Speaker 3: you're talking about, you could get heart attack treatment at
Speaker 3: this hospital it's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, but
Speaker 3: you go up the street and it's twelve thousand.
Speaker 1: And it's all Aboutandy knows what's the and what happens
Speaker 1: is who's pain when you, you know, God forbid, have a
Speaker 1: heart attack and you go there and let's just say
Speaker 1: it's going through your employer, right, your employer has no
Speaker 1: idea what they're paying. And so what we're saying is
Speaker 1: on drugs first, and now we're just getting it approved today,
Speaker 1: we're going to publish all contracts. Never before has it
Speaker 1: been done where for my companies. We're saying, if you
Speaker 1: want to do business with us, if this hospital system
Speaker 1: wants to work with my companies whatever it may be,
Speaker 1: We're going to publish them and put them online for
Speaker 1: anybody to see all of our pricing.
Speaker 3: But so the right, I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 6: But I'm curious setting.
Speaker 3: Why is there such pushback on this idea of applying
Speaker 3: those same kinds of competitions and things to our healthcare sism.
Speaker 3: You know, we talk about what we have about a privatized
Speaker 3: healthcarecism and it's the best in the world, but very
Speaker 3: clearly it doesn't function like a free market.
Speaker 1: No, it's not in any way at all.
Speaker 3: So what is so terrible about getting everybody healthcare? Like?
Speaker 3: Why is that such?
Speaker 1: But these companies, these PBMs and the big insurance companies
Speaker 1: they call them the buka's the largest insurance companies, right,
Speaker 1: they are so big, Like, like I keep on saying,
Speaker 1: big employers cover one hundred and fifty million people, right,
Speaker 1: And the CEO of this big company doesn't know much
Speaker 1: about healthcare and their health care costs, and so they
Speaker 1: just say to them, Okay, we're going to write you
Speaker 1: a check for a rebate, even though it's your sickest
Speaker 1: employees that are paying for that rebate, right, they just
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: And it's so interesting because it's such a non villainous
Speaker 3: you know, nobody ever talks about like big prescription benefit manager, right,
Speaker 3: Like that's a good tell me. It's always like big
Speaker 3: oil is going to come down, or big tobacco or
Speaker 3: big farm, and it's really like the PbII middle manager.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it is, right, and you cut them out, right,
Speaker 1: there's no reason for the big ones that controlled ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the prescriptions that are filled, there's no reason
Speaker 1: for them to exist. There are others that are called
Speaker 1: pass through PBMs, right, that show you all your claims,
Speaker 1: show you all your data, show you all your pricing,
Speaker 1: that do it for a fraction of the price. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's an opportunity tosuption disruption.
Speaker 6: Be like to see what's that? Now, what's that? What
Speaker 6: else you have your eye on?
Speaker 1: Healthcare? Healthcare? It's gonna be healthcare healthcare.
Speaker 3: I'm with that. I'm with that too, and and it
Speaker 3: might be, you know, with that money, if you could
Speaker 3: help the Knicks get okay, forget it, it's all fine.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for coming by. Always a fascinating conversation.
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Speaker 1: Do you take that?
Speaker 6: B No, that's.
Speaker 3: Now, don't cover tonight before we go, We're gonna check
Speaker 3: in with yours for the rest of the week. Dailick
Speaker 3: is gonna be John MOI what are you covering this week?
Speaker 12: Oh John, I'll be recapping all the inspiring athletes of
Speaker 12: the Olympics, Simon Biles, Katie Ledecki and of course, of
Speaker 12: course that Australian breakdancing lady.
Speaker 3: Why why you know the thing about her? It didn't
Speaker 3: her dancing didn't seem and I say this was good?
Speaker 3: It didn't. It didn't seem so good, Oh John.
Speaker 12: She was inspiringly terrible, inspiringly terrible, because I can never
Speaker 12: do what Simone Biles does.
Speaker 5: But this all.
Speaker 3: This, Yes, I can do this this and quite well
Speaker 3: I might have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all this stuff, John, I could do this.
Speaker 15: All this?
Speaker 3: What what how you do this all day? I can
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