WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Shaggy 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.080 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:14.760 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.520 You know it's course love Team Supreme is with men. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.960 Well, yeah, hello, hey man, I'm doing man, I'm excited. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:23.840 I'm good. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.840 Too, I'm excited. Yeah. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.880 I think I think we're allowed to stay excited as 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.480 the person that is on every zoom pitch. I think 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.920 everyone's excited. It's the equivalent of say Macbeth in the theater, 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:44.159 not be on a zoom and say everyone's excited. It's like, 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.440 that's the depth nail, not. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.680 To apply it to every zoom. This is this is 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.360 specifically an exciting zoom. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:57.000 Right, this is not a business meeting. So yeah, you know, Suger, Steve, whatever. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.520 Bro, Hi, I'm mayor, Hi Team Supreme. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.400 Hi, Shaggy, how's everything doing. 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:02.600 I'm good? 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:04.920 Just give it away, now, give it away now, Steve, 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.679 Let's edit that. Let's edit that. Hey Steve, how you doing, bro? 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:20.000 Hey Shaggy? Frantic a little man, how's it going down? 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.800 There was Li Man finishing up my dinner. I want 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.480 to be eating on camera. Yeah, just let it go 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:27.279 to a black screen. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.640 I think Fante should be like the neighbor on home 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:32.440 where we just. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:35.360 See. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.560 I think the fact that we were talking off camera 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.440 before you got in kind of got into. 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.800 We never supposed to talk before he gets on cameras. 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:47.640 What are you talking about? 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:48.120 No, we didn't. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:49.960 No, no, no, no, no, no. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.720 No, it wasn't me. We weren't talking about anything other 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.400 than the fact that I was complimented where she lives. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:58.040 You like her background? 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.600 No, no, no, he was shaving mistake. It's cool we 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.640 get in. You're breaking the rude Shaggy to introduce. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:11.880 Okay, fuck it all right, Shaggy is on the shows. 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:14.680 I mean, we're part of. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.680 Telling you I'm in Oh, I'm in the merk Inglewood. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.959 But he wasn't really making fun of that. He's making 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.040 fun of the fact that I live in California, which 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.280 is has a you know, it has has some ship 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:25.960 with it. But he has a home in Florida. So 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:27.440 I told him he needs to step back. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.280 Oh, you're not You're not a California person at all. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.040 No, it's not that I'm not at California. I'm just 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.480 looking at it. I said, there's only one box ticked. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.040 It's great weather. You get up and you feel amazing. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.000 But if you sit down and take the rest of boxes, 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.800 I'm like, you know, there's month slides, fires, I'm. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.320 Like, there's act there's Karen Bass, there's gathering. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.200 I'm like, don't even. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.920 Know, there's so many, there's so instinct. But you know, 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.320 we we we we agree to disagree. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:02:59.240 Yes, very true. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.959 All right, So technically speaking, I should do a proper introduction, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:08.079 all right, So I will say that I've we probably 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.920 had a conversation with every musician, every walk of life, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.680 but I don't think I've ever had an in depth 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:22.480 conversation with anyone in the in the dance hall reggae world. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:27.040 I mean, if you discount super Cats complaining that I 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.320 wasn't good on drums at the roots, jamp. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.480 Don't feel better, don't feel aboud it complains about a 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:35.160 lot of people. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.360 Don't feel bad. He cussed me out totally. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.400 Yeah, someone told me that it's actually a badge of 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.600 honor if if you cuss, it is it is. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.640 It is. And I'm not cutting. But I'll tell you what. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.120 Super Cat was one of the first person to give 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.880 me microphone when I was in Brooklyn back and Flatbush, 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:55.480 back in the days when I was a young guy, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.680 and he would bring the microphone and give it to 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.720 me because everybody's fighting, you know, just spit on the mic, 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:05.240 and he always give me so he could say anything 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.760 about me. I'm telling you that because he was that guy. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.160 It's funny you say that I really wanted to do 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.800 this episode, because I mean, I've said it a few 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.920 times before, but our guest today saved the roots. Yeah, 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.240 I will say that if it weren't for our guest today, 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.320 none of this. I'm not saying none of this would 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.600 be possible, but I know for a fact, very directly 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:38.400 that the fruits and that overfloweth monetary nature of our 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.839 guests and his art for him definitely came. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.840 As a an. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:49.000 Eleventh hour saving grace slash life wrath if you will, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.839 for my band, which you know, I will say to 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.880 the end of the time that Shaggy is alright with me. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.800 He's done so many legendary things. I mean, he's so 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.760 over forty million units, has over eight hundred million streams. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.960 I mean, he's collaborated with the best. I mean, name it, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:09.480 from Shaka. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.000 Khan the Eve to Janet Jackson, Cardi b Max Dey 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.440 Priest back to Levy to to the Maytals. Dude, even 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.919 I mean, right now, the gold standards to get billions 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.520 of streams on TikTok, he's done that as well, like 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.560 you know, and right now we're here to celebrate his 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:32.200 new project. First of all, I mean you and Sting together. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:37.280 That's all right, we already gave it away at the 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.159 top of the show. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Shaggy. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:45.400 Yes very much. Question you know, you know what I 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.680 gotta you put a lot of a lot of weight 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:51.240 on my shoulder their quest because it's not the first 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.359 time I've heard you said that, And yeah, I'm meaning 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.600 to see you and talk to you about that. You're 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.159 putting a lot of that's a lot of weight on 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:00.280 my should mind. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:01.240 People to his story. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:07.360 But basically, you know, I think with the way that 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:12.279 a successful record label can operate, I mean, yes, everybody wants, 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:16.119 you know, a vast array of artists on their label 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:20.520 and whatnot, but you know the label also needs like 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.960 and earner. And you know it wasn't me was so 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.160 inescapable in. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.160 Ninety eight ninety nine. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:35.720 That basically we were kind of wondering where, like we'd 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.880 spend a lot of money on Things Fall Apart, And 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.560 you know, it's kind of like if you've ever seen 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.640 what's a Adam Sandler's movie that I thought he should 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.880 have got nominated for Oscar for or Uncut Gyms. The 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.320 industry is a lot like Uncut Gyms where you got 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.600 to rob Peter to pay Paul. So oftentimes, you know, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.640 I'll read about my favorite records getting made and they'll 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.200 say like, well, we have to take some money from 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.320 the Doobie Brothers project to pay for this project, and da. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:02.919 Da da da. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.240 In our case, I will say that a good portion 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.920 of the promotion that we had to do for Things 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.840 Fall Apart, the videos we had to do, the promotions, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.120 the ads we had to take. 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:13.800 Out, all those things. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.200 Definitely, our an R said you guys better be lucky 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.400 for a shaggy success because this is how we're paying 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:22.640 for your budget. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.040 So you know, you know what it is to quest 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.840 it was it was a very strange climate. That whole 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.760 company was a strange climate, you know. It was you 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:36.520 really didn't have an urban department. We didn't in that company. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.480 A lot of people need to know that it is 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:43.480 a very pop based and I was lucky to have 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.920 these records that started as none of those songs were 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:51.040 singles or I never picked as single, but they ended 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:55.920 up becoming big pop records and really saved me because 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.920 when I came in there, you know, there was no 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.480 but I wasn't the same space as the roots, you know, 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:02.920 I was not. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.560 I wasn't getting budgets either. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.640 It just so happened that we had a song I 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.400 was right at the minute to be dropped. And then 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.200 because the first two singles came out was Dancing Shout 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:17.680 and Oh, and they flopped and a DJ out of 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.000 Hawaii started to play it wasn't me. After the fifth play, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.600 it just lit up his phone and it just continued 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.760 to spread. And that's what saved my ass because I 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.480 was about to be on the chopping block, you know, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.560 just like just like you guys, it was just what 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.120 it was. And they weren't planning to spend money because 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.120 it was just not a company that really was focused 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:45.400 around marketing urban music. I just it was just not 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.880 that kind of a climate in that company. It wasn't 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:48.680 It wasn't that. 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.240 And did you ever skip the line and go right 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.280 to pop? Right because that was it felt like it 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:54.360 didn't have right. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.200 It actually went to pop and then came back. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.040 To earth that. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.920 Yeah, it's just it's just it was like it became 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.880 pop and then you know, you know what is the 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.200 clubs was sucking with it so much that you know, 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.360 urban raiders say, well, you know the club is doing, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:11.720 we might as well play it, you know, we know, 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.760 you know, we know the White Stations is playing it. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.480 You know, but really and truly in every ghetto club 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.600 they're saying, it wasn't me, so let me rock with it, 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.640 you know what I'm saying. And if you think about it, 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:25.480 Angel wasn't as lucky. Angel continued to stay pop and 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.760 didn't get back, didn't go back in it because it 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.280 was never a club joint, so it didn't really connect 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.480 like that, you know, while bombasketballso from a previous album 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.240 that was also club and then ended up going to 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.200 pop and then urban urban started playing it again. So 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.120 it was just a strange climate at that time, especially 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:44.800 for Rega. 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.120 Who was that DJ, because that DJ is also the 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.920 one that the one in Hawaii is also the one 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.440 that broke in all my life for Casey and Jojo 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.679 and Jojo they have the same situation where they were 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.440 about to you know that one's about to flop then, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.800 and that's the thing, like I don't think. Well, I 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.600 mean like, like you can also explain it since like ninety seven, 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:08.800 there was one movie that came out that sort of 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.520 explained how radio works called Before the Music Dies, that 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.440 came out like two thousand and four. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.000 But you know, ninety seven when. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.040 I guess what I can call the clear channel era 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.840 of radio comes into play, where now people have to 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.160 pre program the music like right, weeks weeks ahead of time. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.240 Now it's blowing my mind because I'm like pop pop 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.800 DJs don't break records, right, So the fact that this 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.319 one did and then broke these two black records that 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.120 start go back to a black radio when black radio 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:40.720 usually starts, it's it's blowing. 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:41.560 It's a mind blower. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:42.480 Yeah. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.280 Well, actually, let me ask you because I mean, I 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.800 know you haven't been on terrestrial radio for a minute, 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:53.000 but just during the time period when you were on radio, 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.920 like how far advanced, Like when do they actually start 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.720 feeding the machine and saying like, Okay, we're gonna play 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.959 this be song fourteen times a day and they pick 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.000 this specific time like they do playlist. Yeah, when does 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.040 that programming start. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:09.920 I mean, you know, it's a process. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.520 It's also like record reps coming to the station from 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.520 that was a big thing, you know, when it comes 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.679 to y'all being represented in a way, right, it's like 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.200 what the record rep is selling, what's their priority, and 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.720 then once it's the priority, depending on the artists, sometimes 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.400 since it's a priority and it's an artist and maybe 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.480 the label, you know, it's all kind of dynamics. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.640 But it's never it's never. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.360 Shaggy has always been different in that way because it's 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.880 never been pop breaking records and just naturally that happening. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.319 That's a natural thing, and that doesn't happen right Shaggy. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.400 I think a lot of it boils down to the 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.360 demographic you know. I mean when you look at at 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.320 that time, they're going to look at what urban music 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.199 is selling, you know, and then they're going to look 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.320 at what reggae is. Now. There's a big argument now 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.880 where they say that reggae is you know, less than 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.000 five percent of the global market share. You know, so 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.440 you can't expect any major company or any company to 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.760 be putting major money into any act that is less 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.440 than five percent of the market share. My argument to 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.240 that is, when has it ever not been less than 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.120 five percent? You know when I when I was selling 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.120 forty million records, it was three percent. You know, after me, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.000 then you had Sean Paul and everybody it became popular. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.960 Before then, it was never on radio. I was the 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.560 guy that got it on radio. So it was always 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.120 less than five percent, you know what I mean, nothing 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.520 has ever changed on that. And these record companies they 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.520 invest based on that. So it's not gut, it's you know, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.560 so when when I'm doing these numbers and they're like, 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.400 oh shit, we didn't know that could happen, and so 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.839 they ended up chasing. Now you sell ten million records, 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:51.320 you think they're going to be like, well, you know, 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.760 he just did it. Let's try and let's invest again 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.200 and do that. They're looking at it like, yeah, that 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.240 I ain't never got one off. That's one off, and 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:01.319 they can think of it as that. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:06.920 Now where we are now today, you're seeing other genres 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.480 as sort of with the DNA of dance hang reggae, 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:16.440 Like I know that African music, okay, so I have 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:17.440 to call it West African. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.280 I mean, I'm just saying you a lot of it 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.199 is from Nigeria. Now we don't get into afrobeat versus afrobeats, 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:24.480 and I want no parts of that. 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.800 But what I'm basically asking is like between reggae tone 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.480 and West African music and now with dance hall, are 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:35.720 you finding it now? 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.920 Are people generally trying to lump. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:45.559 Like an entire genre of non Americanized rap, non Americanized 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:50.240 pop into this mold that you now have to fit 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.040 into in twenty twenty two, where say, you know, the 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.360 average Joe from Kansas might not know the difference between 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.480 the music that you're doing and the music that Jave 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.720 Balvin was doing and the music that Yeah Yeah or 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.480 Bad Bunny or or you know or whoever is. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.760 What's so crazy is there? You know there's a history 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.440 on this. You know that Yankee called me sometime last 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.800 year and asked me because there was a documentary shot 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.000 supposed to be on Netflix that really talks about reggaeton. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:28.440 He couldn't tell the story of reggaeton because he was there, 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.480 it was before him, but he knew that he knew that, 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.240 I know, you know what I mean? So I and 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.920 and and the starting of regaton started by a guy 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:41.200 by the name of El Gringo out out from Puerto 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:46.480 Rico out of Brooklyn, and El Gringo he went to 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:51.560 prison and then there and then El Henero right ended 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:56.720 up doing dance all records in Spanish right, which was 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.880 put out on VP. And there was a guy Carl Miller, 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.800 who literally was the guy that was producing these songs 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.840 for VP Records. L Naro ended up blowing up. Now, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.200 the crazy part about it is El Noro and I 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.640 went to Erasmus Hall in Brooklyn and we were in 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.040 the lunch room, and the lunch room had the Puerto 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:24.520 Rican click, the Panamanian click, the Jamaican click, you know 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.960 what I mean, the Haitian click. And we would be 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.920 on the book benches and we'll beat and spit freestyles 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:37.160 and people get around right exactly, and Elenoral would be 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.760 over there doing the same thing in Spanish out of there, 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.920 and so him and I that's how we became friends 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.000 because I used to spit it on the bench and 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:49.240 over there, and then he started to make these dance 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.960 on these old Chaparine record Now, the beat of regeton 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:57.360 is called dem boold you know that quest right, So 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:04.360 it's called it's called yes, it comes from its It 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:08.240 comes from Chaparax Stemba now Elena All and them used 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.160 to do these reggae records, these stance All records over 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.360 in Spanish and that became Spanish reggae. Carl at VP 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:21.600 ended up calling it reggae tone, and through mispronunciation over 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:26.080 here it became guitar. That is the beginning of what 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.960 is reggae tar, which started out. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:30.480 Of that d You see our faces right. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.920 Now, like Tago Calderon and those guys. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.480 Was that it was after Tego was after this. There 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.920 was a guy up out of out of Browns called 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:45.000 Gunghi Rivera who used to have these big nightclubs and 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.000 he was the one that used to promote a lot 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.000 of these Spanish reggae acts right that used to be 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.560 uptown around that time. Gungi was was a major force 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.120 in the development of it, you know what I mean? 0:16:58.600 --> 0:16:59.760 And that was what it is. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:01.200 Are you in this documentary? 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.760 Well, yeah, they called me to tell the story because 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.160 you know, in fairness to a lot of these newer acts, 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:08.399 they don't know that story. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.200 So you literally were there to witness like the incubation. 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.159 Yeah, I was there to the whole thing. I was 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:16.040 part of the whole thing. 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.160 This is why I'm starting, This is why I'm excited 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.399 to say he's a national treasure. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:20.679 Why doesn't the world know this? 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:27.679 Nobody asked, but it is documented. I can tell you 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.520 it is true. Now say, say, for instance, when we 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.240 did Afrobeat, Now let's go to the Africa, West Africa, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:40.200 as you would say. I used to go to Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:45.000 all these places, and I would play stadiums because the 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:50.919 main music of those country was dance all. It was 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:55.480 not zook or or you wasn't here in Felakute or 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.720 any of these guys. It was dance all in the 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.159 streets and the clubs of Nigeria or any any of 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.240 these places. It's dance all. And so we would go. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:06.960 I would go there, play stadiums, and a lot of 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:11.240 these artists would would open for us. You know, you're 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.680 talking a lot of these artists that you see a 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.040 big art the Afrobean artist opens on a lot of 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.359 shows down there. Wow, you know what I mean? We 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.359 could go back even further. When you look at you know, 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.240 there's a lot of opening You're talking about the Spice 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.480 Girl open for Shaggy and in domestic you know what 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:32.280 I mean. You know, I mean in sync. We used 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.800 to do road shows in Europe at that time where 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.600 they open for us. So it's it's been it. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.000 Is Man Kennedy Center, Anna. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.880 It's been a whole journey of how that that would 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.080 be going because I've been good for thirty odd years, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.280 you know, of of doing that. So in the afrobeat, 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.840 if you listen it, it is really influenced by dance 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.560 all right, even though they have developed their own sound, right, 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.240 but it was really kind of influence from that. 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.640 What is the correlation or the I guess the relationship 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:09.280 between like dancehall and also what is called lover's rock, 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.840 like I guess the so lovers rock. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.000 Okay, So if you look at what Jamaican music started from, 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.600 and start from a beat called mental mental into ska 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:25.600 Scott into what's known as rock steady exactly, and it's 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:29.880 really about the shuffle that makes it go chick, chick chick, 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.639 and then there you go reggae chi chi. It's a 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.080 different vibe of how it's done. It's really about the 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.680 tempo and the feel of it that moves it from 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.399 a ska to a rock steady and rock Steady is. 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.560 Out of rock Steady came what is known as lovers rock. 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:50.240 What lovers rock is, it's that one drop reggae and 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.119 people sing these beautiful love songs, and white became lovers 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.760 rock is because they used to do a lot of covers, 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.160 like a lot of these big reggae songs we're called. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.280 Take for instance, you look at Let's Just Go, Let's 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.399 Just Go, even one of the biggest all right, and 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.160 these are white boys, and and it blew up because 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.720 they white, but it also blew up because they were 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:15.600 just great covers. Red Red Wine by U B. Forty 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:21.200 was originally Neil Diamond that red Run, but they did 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.960 it over in reggae and it became now Neil Diamond. 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:25.800 When he's singing, he does reggae version. 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:28.240 Right better. 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.480 Yeah, knowledge, I didn't even know that was a cover. 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.040 I didn't know that was his reggae. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:39.320 Sounds like I can't help Falling in love right right 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.320 was Elvis Presley, but was done by U. B. Forty. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.560 Then then you have the other flip side of it, 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.560 you know, like girls just want to have fun. Cyndey 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:52.199 Lapool was based Drummer Based was done by Slian Robbie 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.320 to the biggest you know what I mean. 0:20:55.359 --> 0:21:01.399 So there's there's a lot, Jimmy, you're telling me that 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.920 Slie Robbie are the rhythm section there. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.200 There were session musicians in in in uh in America. 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.920 I know that, but I could have thought Philly's on 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.400 the Hooters. Why know they wrote it, but I don't know. 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.080 But the drummond bass of it, the groove of that 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:23.520 was like, right, that's why, Cindy, but you might have 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:29.359 to join Spreme and then and then even with with 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.000 with songs like of course, you know, Steve the Wonder 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.520 wrote a lot of of of a couple of songs 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:41.400 for the Third World also yes, uh right, yes, yes, 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:43.800 And a lot of people think that now that we 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:45.840 find loved, which was done by a heavy d which 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.560 was also made popular by Third World, but the original, 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:49.800 the original was the O J. 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:53.640 Yes, yeah, we get yeah, yeah. 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:55.440 Yeah. 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:01.080 So it's it's when you think of the blend of 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.960 music of how stuff is and even those early Grace 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:08.280 Stones records which were which were sly robbis yeah, totally, 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.359 you know what I mean, Compass Point Gwyn Guthrie. So 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:15.240 you look at the building of Island Records and what 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.919 it is was was reggae based. You look at somebody 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.879 like Chris Blackwell who founded Too and YouTube was a 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:27.560 it was a YouTube was a folk band when he 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.320 discovered those guys and he transformed them into a rock band. 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.879 You know, it was kind of a Christian style folk band. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.320 Wait, you're dropping so many bombs right now. Just to 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.920 make sure, you said, Gwen Gutthie. So you're saying, ain't 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:45.680 nothing going on? But the rent is also yes, Sam, yes, yes, 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.520 ain't no damn that makes total sense. Man, Yeah, yeah, okay, Wait, I. 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.720 Want more education, but I got to know your life. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:23:03.520 Yeah, what was your very first musical memory? 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:08.520 My first music memory was my grandmother used to play. 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:12.840 We were from a poor neighborhood in Kingston, Raytown and 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.080 from a place called with small fishing village in Raytown 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.760 where I was on Charlotte Street. We live in one room. 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.520 My grandmother used to play a lot of radio because 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:25.200 we didn't have television, and I, as a katie, used 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.280 to think that the guy was in the radio singing. 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:33.439 I had no idea there was records. I used to 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:38.640 listen to these really wonderful records. But I remember writing 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:42.800 my own song, and it's called your Mind. My very 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:48.439 first song. I was probably i'd say around eight nine 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:50.480 years old or some shit. I said, You're a mine, 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:54.520 You're a mine, You're a mine, your mine, You're really really. 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:59.879 Mine, and my love come, I love is ever last, 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.120 and your freedom line of view, and flower you light 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:05.760 up my life every hour. 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:08.199 And as long as I can't remember the lyrics after that, 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:11.000 but that was my first thing I ever written, just 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.800 in my head by listening to the radio. So the 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.200 radio was a comfort for me where music was concerned, 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:21.840 and I just really listened all of those songs, and 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:26.320 there was songs like Mahelia Jackson was a big thing 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:30.600 in my house, even early songs like I don't know 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:35.320 if you know, you guys familiar with Toots and the Maytows, 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:39.760 you know, yeah, exactly a big Toots fan. My grandmother was, 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:41.800 you know. I mean, so a lot of these records. 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.200 Bing Crosby was a big thing. That King Cole was 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.560 a big thing in my in my household. So on 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.960 Sundays in Jamaica, it goes that type of music goes 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.320 well with chicken and rice and peace, which is when 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:57.439 we were doing these Sinatra records, These Sinatra records. You know, 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:03.080 we're repertoires that I too, and growing up on Sundays 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:08.439 because reggae in Jamaica didn't start playing till the I 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.840 would say probably around the eighties. 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.200 Somebody told me that in Jamaica, that's the first big 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.080 superstar in Jamaica was like Bob Marley for real, Like 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:20.160 they were like, for real, that's the. 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:24.239 Large, large largest, he's the large. Yeah, he's he's the 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.760 largest one. But there were people like, for instance, reggae 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.920 music was looked down on. It was get I was. 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:35.000 Going to ask, how how does that work with Okay, 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:40.320 every American, every j American that I know is super 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:46.480 super conservative mm hmm. And you know, I always wanted 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:50.840 to know how did Jamaican natives that are like the 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.680 parents of my Jamaican friends who are strictly Christian don't 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:58.200 like you know, uh, secular music and all that stuff. 0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:02.400 How does that message with the culture of like Bob 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:08.240 Marley and like was that the gangster rap of the time? 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:13.320 War Now, any Jamaican you know that is in that 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:16.800 kind of I tity for the lack of a better word, 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:20.160 kind of a person they were uptowners. So there's two things. 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.760 There's downtown and there's uptown. The uptown are the more 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:29.520 privileged class of people. You know what I'm saying. There's 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.919 the crazy story that Bob Marley lived on a street 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:36.240 called Hope Road, where is where Tough Gong is back 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:40.880 in the days. That's the same street that the King's houses, 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.720 which is where the Queen's resident is. Oh, that's where 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.960 that's the same that's the same street that the that 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.880 the Prime Minister's residences are. You know what I mean 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.639 when you look, when you look at it, that house 0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:56.119 that Bob Marley lived in fifty six Hope World was actually. 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.119 Purchased by Chris Blackwell, which was a white Jamaican that 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:02.320 lived around the corner at a place called Terra Nova 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.800 that is now a hotel, which was his original home. 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.840 So it took it took a British, well, a Jamaica 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.399 white guy to actually buy that because there's a rastafar 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:17.399 and Bob wouldn't have been able to purchase that because 0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:20.320 it was because it was what's known as classism in 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.520 Jamaica back in the days. So then so when you 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.160 look at Yellow Man and these guys, those guys at 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:30.159 one point in Jamaica. If you were a certain color, 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:34.920 you couldn't come past the halfway tree clock because that's 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.640 how it was because you ain't from that class. After 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:40.440 a certain hour, you're not up there. This is this 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:41.560 is years. 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:43.040 Because to be from that class you had to be 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:45.520 lighter and more affiliated with exactly. 0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:51.600 So for me, I'm from the British rule the it's 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:55.639 just it's just if you're talking about colonialism, you know 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.119 from that that's inherited now, you know what I'm saying. 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.560 So as it goes, you see people coming into all 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.160 of this where you see uptowners now started to do 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.720 dance all you know what I'm saying. Like like take 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.640 for instance, like a Sean Paul is up he's from 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:16.560 the uptown. Junagan is from the uptown. Because those guys 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.680 are from parents that you know, when Bob Barley made money, 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.280 he went to Whole pro that's uptown. Yeah, Junigan. A 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.520 guy like Junigan would go to you know, a good 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:28.960 school and goes to while another set of people, now 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:30.760 they're from the streets of the streets, the hood of 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.119 the hood. You thought, well, seeve you gotten deep on 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.240 the gardens your top of the hood, the hood, the 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.520 hood you know what I'm saying. But after a while, 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.920 it's kind of became one when when the uptown kids 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.360 started to do it, then it started to become accepted. 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.560 You mentioned Yellow Man earlier, and I've read uh some 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.360 like stuff about him, just about how some of the 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.440 struggles he faced, like being because he was albino, and like. 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.520 It was a bino. The crazy thing about Yellow Man 0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.720 is here's an albino guy. That's a guy that made 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:01.920 me want to get into music. 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.320 That's right, Okay, gotcha right? 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.400 Because I saw I went to a dance at Skateland, 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:12.200 which is a popular venue, and he spit his lyrics 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.960 and walked out. Yeah, well some other I think it 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:17.520 was I get to married. He had all the big 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:19.840 records at the time, walked and spit his lyrics and 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:22.040 walk out, and the whole dance walked out with him. 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.680 I was like, damn, I want to be that guy. 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.240 But but the crazy thing that he was an albino, 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.280 you know what I mean, which is also looked down 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.240 at in Jamaica. No, you know, he was like yo, 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:35.720 they called him. And he was at a place called 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:39.320 Poor Hopes at the time, which is kind of an 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.720 orphanage in a way that it came aroun right and 0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.240 he rose out of that to become one of the superstar. 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:49.600 And now I always say to shift culture, it takes 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:56.720 a superstar, that means a star with superhero like talent, charisma, work, ethic, 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:01.960 charm right to shift because if you look at Yellow Man, 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:04.640 he didn't have a movement behind him, but the world 0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:08.120 stopping took notice because he was a superstar, a star 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:12.080 with superhero like talent, chaparanks. He walked in the room. 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.400 You want to know who the fuck is that? That's 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:19.520 a superstar? You got stars, and stars will okay promote culture, 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.880 but are they gonna shift culture? You know what I'm saying. 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.600 And those are the guys that shift culture with superhero 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.360 like talent right where they don't need lights and they 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.200 don't need cranes throwing them out. They don't even need 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.160 a record company spending money. They just got that shit. 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.440 That swade they walk in and they open them to 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.720 everybody be like, who the fuck is that? That motherfucker 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.000 is the shit? That's what those guys are. Those are 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.360 that's the stars. And you have people who knew how 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.920 to find those. If you look at say you look 0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.440 at everybody, say you look at all the billionaires. Now 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.080 you look at and question. You can understand this. You 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:58.080 got Kanye and then you got No No, but you 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:01.680 could understand. You're gonna understand what I'm saying. I'm playing. Yeah, 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.360 you got you got Kanye and you got Rihanna. Both 0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:09.680 of them are billionaires or whatever. Right? Who is their lego? Jay? Right? Right? 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.120 And you look at you look at Nikki, and you 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.920 look at Drake. Who is their lego? Okay? You look 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.200 at fifty, You look at eminem you look you look 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:24.440 at uh A Snoop, who is his lego? Dray? You 0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.800 look at Lisha Keys. Lisia Keys arguably one of the greatest, 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:31.760 you know, songwriter, singer, songwriter. But let's let's face it. 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.920 She got Clive Davis her first she had She didn't 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.080 have to have a worry like me and you was 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.640 where we gotta sit down and worry about whether we 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.080 got budgets or we got marketing. And she got all 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.400 of that. Clive major shadow of that. And guess what 0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:50.120 her first interview was, Oprah. And if you think about 0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:56.800 it now, who is our lego? Rick rick You guys 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.960 in the half leg Ricky guys in the half the lego, 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:00.959 you know what I'm saying. So, and I'm not against 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.680 the leg up. I'm for it, you know what I'm saying. 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.800 But in our culture, they have not been those opportunities 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:08.160 a lot. 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.840 Well, you're giving the layup, you're giving it now. 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.080 So that's all I do. If you look at the 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.400 if you look at the pattern of things that I do. 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:21.120 I did Summertime with an unknown artist named Rayvon Right. 0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.720 I did It Wasn't Me with an unknown artist named 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.000 Rick Ra. I did Angel with an unknown artist named Ravon. 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.680 I did I Need Your Love with two unknown artists 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:33.160 named Mohambi and Fadi. I did Banana with Ann which 0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:36.600 is the billion dollar, the two billion stream on TikTok 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.800 with an unknown artist name named Conqueror. And then I 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.200 just did Spice of one hundred and fifty million streams. 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.840 So I always look for that. Yeah, I look for 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.080 those records, those artists that have that thing, and I 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.280 go and I put that in there, and I make 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.440 those type of records because I'm not privileged to have 0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:58.760 budgets and rollouts, you know what I'm saying. So I 0:32:58.880 --> 0:32:59.640 just do what I can. 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:03.959 This is already one of the half hour and it's 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.080 probably one of the greatest educations that I've had of 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:11.400 twenty twenty two from a person that's watched the Heart. 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:16.280 They fall like a billion times, is okay? So if 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:24.080 you are trying to establish yourself and not go to America, 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:27.080 there's just a difference between. You know, half of the 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.080 hip hop world came from Jamaica, but they had to 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.480 come to New York for us to shine. But if 0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:37.760 you're in Jamaica and you want to get put on, 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:40.000 what is the route? 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:42.840 Like what's can you walk me through? 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:43.880 Now? 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.080 I know it's different now because of like digital colonialism, 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.120 like you do one viral thing on YouTube and then 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:53.600 maybe make it, But say, okay, in the eighties, if 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.920 you want to get put on, how does what's the 0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:58.600 what's the maze? 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.280 The sort of had a circuits. 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:04.040 Journey. 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:07.960 Yes, well to me, I'm glad you said now and then, 0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.439 because it's totally different now than what it was then. 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:15.160 You know, back then it was highly it was highly 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:20.440 dependent on the sound system. So the sound system was 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.759 where you would go and freestyle. This is where we're 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.200 a super cat these guys come from. So you have 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.840 the Kilimanjaro, you have King Tubby's, you have Johnny's sound system, 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:32.839 you have all these sound systems. Those sound systems were 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.040 what the ghetto kids could get on and spit. So 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:40.840 they'll have these street dances, and on these street dances, anybody, 0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:42.920 if you were good in the neighborhood and you and 0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.520 you spitting on the streets and people are hearing you, 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.920 you create your little fan base. And it was once 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.000 a community. No, you get on that mic and you 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:51.960 get heard, you know what I mean. They used to 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:55.239 have a thing called the Tasties talent contests, which was 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.799 also a big way for people to get discovered back 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.320 in Jamaica, back in the early days, you know what 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.120 I mean. So the sound system was where it was 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.200 where because I even start I started on a sound 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.640 system out of Brooklyn too at the same time. That's 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.240 how I ended up on Gibralto sound System and created 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.640 my bus with in Brooklyn where I was at you know, 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.840 Starlight Ballroom, Builtmore Ballroom, all of that at that time, 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.440 and created my own little buzz and my own little name. 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.160 When I started doing Big Up and Mompy and all 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.840 those records, you know what I'm saying. But I started 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:27.440 for onsound systems. So that was it. Nowadays they got this. 0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:33.920 You know, you don't need to like these kids artists. 0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:37.600 Now they'll do work like you know you when you 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.399 were promoting the roots. I'm sure you traveled all over 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.359 the world and did regional radio and shit like that. 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:45.560 You know what I'm saying. They don't do that. Now 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:47.280 they do a click of the button and say, hey, 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:48.040 there goes promo. 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:50.879 But it's a different challenge. I mean, they don't. 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:52.759 We don't do like the radio and stuff, but it 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.480 is you can press that click of a button. But 0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:59.120 the bottleneck is now everyone can press that button. So 0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.600 now you're fighting for the attention even if you don't 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.400 you know, have the budgets or whatever, the talent with 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.239 the attention or the talent, right, you're just fighting for 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.239 the attention because everyone but you see, I. 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.480 Disagree in some in one sense, I agree that there's 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:17.080 a lot of them. But if your true talent, you 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.279 could get through, because if you look at it, there's 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:23.960 a lot of bullshit. You know what I'm saying. If 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.319 you if you one of those guys that I'm saying, 0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:28.319 you say that when you walk and you ain't got 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.600 to get your ship and be like, the fuck is that? 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.719 You're gonna know? You? You know, it's just gonna It's 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.880 like when you saw Coffee did that freestyle and everybody 0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.279 looked up when she was on BBC one Extra and 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.799 she did that freestyle beside chronics and you're like, the 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:48.360 fuck is that? You know what I mean, You're curiosity 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:50.960 just jump and she ad was one freestyle, shen't do 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:54.680 nothing crazy issue, but it was just so special you 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.719 wanted to know who the hell that was. And so 0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:00.120 no matter, you will get through the clutter if you're 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.440 that good and you have to be that, you just 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.839 got to be that. I always tell artists, I said, 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.520 you want to cut you the clutter? You gotta perfect 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:09.400 your craft? 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:15.880 What does that entail in terms of reggae culture? Like 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.719 I know in hip hop culture, you know, the very 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:22.480 beginning to Reak spent a lot of time in dictionary 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:26.520 learning words he never knew before, you know, constantly like 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:30.040 what's what's impressive for a dancehall artist too? 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.760 Is it melodic delivery? Is it words? 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.680 Is it the rhythm that he happens to be rhyming over? 0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.319 Like what it's really what you bring to that you 0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:43.000 just said to he studied the dictionary. That was what 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.560 he brought to the table that was different from everybody else. 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.920 It's really what you're bringing to the table right to 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.359 set you apart. Because everybody could sit there and say 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.360 they're gonna spit lyrics, But what is that that special 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.160 lot style that you're going to bring that's gonna set 0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:01.480 you apart? For me, yeah, I was lyrical, but I 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.640 also had this voice. Yeah blaha, long time buster, grow 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:08.160 them onto jail. Reck that ship. Just set me the 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:17.920 funk apart. Wait, that was where that was recognizable something Wait, stop. 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:24.240 Wait, how did you developed that voice? 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.240 I was in the military. I used to run cadences. 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:29.440 This is the story I've been waiting for. 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.520 Okay. Yeah, I used to run and see and say 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:37.200 I don't know, but I have been told see where's panished? 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:39.719 I used to sing because the drill instructures we talked 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.319 to you like that boy drop and give a toy boar. 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:45.160 You know, they put that voice, and so I used 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.600 to mock them as as as a joke because it 0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:53.919 made came from I. 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:58.200 Swear man, wait till I tell Higgins this, Steve. 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.120 And then and then the crazy part is I ended 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:06.799 up singing. I ended up doing Old Carolina in that voice. Yeah, 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:09.719 because if you listen, all right, if you ever listened 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:14.680 to that song called Bigger, Big Up, Big Up Big, Notice, 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.520 notice that's a that's a different tone of voice than 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.640 the Old Carolina, even if I. 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:26.560 Tell you about that, yeah, big up, right, that ricket 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:28.640 is a different tone of voice, you know. 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:30.759 And then I went ahead and did that. 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.239 Yeah, I didn't already fell on the floor before y'all 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.719 even got on the line. I'm just trying to I'm 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:41.640 blocking me. I my mind talking about it. It comes 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.480 from a Southern He took a Southern a mirror. 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.640 Wow, you took a Southern dialect, like like a drill sergeant. 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:52.640 Yeah. Wow. 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:54.600 The more you know, and. 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:56.120 Just kind of worked that worked with that. 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.200 So when did you move to the United States? 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:01.480 I would I came to you. I was in nineteen 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:02.239 eighty five. 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:04.680 Oh wow, okay, Oh, so. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:09.200 You came to these states specifically to go to the army. No. 0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.840 I came to the States. My mom was a journalist 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:17.440 in Jamaica, the main newspaper here called the Gleaner, the 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:21.600 Daily Gleaner, and my mother she migrated to the States 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.920 and I'm being I'm an only child. So I ended 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:28.520 up coming to America where her years afterwards, when I 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.440 was living with my grandmother in Jamaica, and in nineteen 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.680 eighty five I came up and it was a culture shock. 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:38.280 I lived that in New York Avenue between Tilden and Beverly, 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:41.440 in a building called the Irma. I can't remember it. 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:46.360 I went to Rasmus Fall and I just kind of 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:49.720 it was a shot well culture shop because I'm seeing snow. 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:51.880 And I think what shocked me the most was that 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:57.040 people did their laundries and laundromats because I could. I 0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.960 couldn't because we did it in our backyard and the 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:03.239 holiday last Yeah. And I couldn't believe that people would 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.360 let people touch their draws like they would foe draws 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:10.160 and that I was. I was embarrassed when I went 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:14.200 to the launder back with my mother because people seeing 0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.200 my draws. I was like, I couldn't believe that. I 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:21.040 was just I was just raised different. He was like, 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.640 You're gonna just You're gonna just fold your draws in 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.880 front of everybody like that, what the buck? Yeah? You 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:27.680 so to me, it was like that. So it was 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:29.880 a it was a big culture shop, but it was 0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:33.960 also a melting pot because I didn't know there were Haitians, 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.440 and I didn't know there were Trinidadians. I didn't know 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.760 that there were Panamanians. I didn't know. I just knew Jamaica. 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.560 And then I started to figure out different people's cultures 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.880 and realize that they all were similar. That you know 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:49.360 a lot of them really embodied dance all and reggae, 0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.400 and I was a kid that really soaked all of 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:51.759 that up. 0:41:56.360 --> 0:42:01.440 How did witnessing American hip hop affect you when you 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:01.960 got here? 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.200 I went to Erasmus that had a lot of like 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.080 Special Lead was there. I had a lot of rappers 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.240 that came out of that school. So hip hop was apart. 0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:13.480 It was a beat box era. So it's you know, 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:18.520 Slick Rick was Jamaican, you know, Dougie Fresh was. It 0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:24.239 was that whole vibe. So the all that ship, it 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:26.719 was things that I was like, you know, so that 0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.359 even when you guys had Rozelle, you know that I 0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.919 was a big fan of Osh because you know, he 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:33.279 did that ship, you know what I mean? I think 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.799 I think when when we Houston died, we were at 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:41.120 the same day house and and that's when we did 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:45.319 a little freestyle thing with Rozelle at that time, so 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.120 I was into hip hop from that point of course. 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.360 Then I ended up knowing cool Her down the line 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.719 and realized how the whole thing come. 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:55.080 But so wait, what high school? What high school? 0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:58.560 Was this? Erasmas Hall. It's the second and high oldest 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.080 high school in the United States. It's actually the high 0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:05.760 school that Clive Davis started Arista out of, and where 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:10.560 Barbarus treisand graduated from a lot of huge, huge superstars 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:13.279 name there. It's in the heart of Flatbush. It's right 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:15.880 on Flatbush Avenue in Church, you know what I'm saying. 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.440 And that's where that's in Brooklyn, That's where I was, 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:23.360 I was at and that whole vibe, you know, it 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:27.160 is just where this this whole energy came from. 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:29.480 You came here in eighty five, so I guess you 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.000 were sixteen? 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:36.360 Yeah, yeah, all right, So what were your by that point? 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.640 What were your life goals in terms. 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.920 Of I wanted to be popular because because my my 0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:49.400 mother dressed me funny. You know what's school. Yeah, that's 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.640 an old school Jamaican woman that you know. She she 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:53.480 would give me her jacket, you know, and she got 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.279 pink innad and light blue and shed and you know 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.640 the funk. I know, you know, she pours. I'm going 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.200 to school. You know, I wonder why nobody is, you know, 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:05.080 is being friends with me, you know, except the la 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:10.279 Haitian kids that he dress worse than me. So so, 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.520 but after a while, I had Once I started doing 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:17.239 was spitting lyrics. I became popular, and I realized that 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.800 if I I started talking, i'd see a little cutie. 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.239 I talk about her hair, you know, you know, or 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:24.920 bamboo hair, ear rings, and you know, I had to 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.360 talk about her boots and her sheepskin jacket, and you know, 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.360 I talk about all of that and spitting a rhyme. 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:36.040 I get a number, and I realized, oh ship, I 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:40.880 get chicks like this, okay, And I did music. I 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:42.799 wish I could say something deeper than that, but I 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:48.080 really pussy like that. I got into music because I 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.440 wanted to get laid. You know, I. 0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:53.280 Realized, I think that's everyone. 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:57.480 Alone, bro, you know, I realized that I split lyrics. 0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:59.799 I was a ghetto superstar. I got these local hits 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.120 into clubs for free. I drink for free, and I 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.280 walked out with the hottest chick and I was in heaven. 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:06.799 I was like, this is what I want to do. 0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:10.239 So for me, you know, I love what yellow Man 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.440 did and I was fascinated by that. But when I 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.960 was in Brooklyn, there was no real outlet for dancer. 0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:18.840 So my mother was like, you need to go do 0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:22.520 something with yourself. And so I started to sell drugs, 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:24.560 you know. I started to sell weed. You know. I 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.120 was on clarks On nostri and you know what I mean. 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:29.560 And then had a spot down at Gates Avenue. So 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:33.040 you got into weed and coked and started, you know, hustling. 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.160 That's what. That's what because every Jamaica and I and 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:36.680 all my uncles they're all hustlers. 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.719 So us, especially in New York, they had the good 0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:40.959 weed all the Jamaica. 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:44.759 Yeah, until after a while, motherfuckers start getting locked start 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:46.680 getting locked up, and you'd be like, Okay, I got 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:48.680 to get out of this shit, you know. And so 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.160 and so I went into the military. That's how I 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:53.760 ended up in the military. I walked down the Flatbush 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.160 Avenue at the junction and walked in and looked at 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.200 all the uniforms and looked at the Marines, and said, yeah, 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:00.759 I could get some chicks that I can get laid 0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:07.640 to that. I want to know, that's the hardest, the hardest. 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:11.160 I didn't know. I just the uniform looked the best though, 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.919 because really, because really, if you think about it, who 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:16.680 wants to be in the In the Navy, there were 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.319 were a bell bottom bro a bell, but you know 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.600 there's got that little thing that looked like a blouse. 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:32.080 You make it right now. So for me, the Marines 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.480 just look like that, you know that that dressed blue 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.439 ship and that yo bro. I was like, yo, that ship, 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:42.080 I want to do that. And then this guy called Perez, uh, 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.640 sergeant Perez, I remember his name, that come in and 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.640 it's like, yo, you know he was my recruiter and 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:49.399 I want to get out of here by next week. 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:51.279 It's like, I can't get you off this. I get 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:52.640 you two weeks from now. I was like, if I 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.840 ain't going out next week, I ain't going and he, 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:56.759 you know, kind of worked some things. I ended up 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:57.960 going in two weeks after that is. 0:46:58.000 --> 0:46:59.920 Wait where did you go? And then when did you 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:02.200 realized that you was in the Marines? And that was different. 0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:04.480 I didn't know I was in the Marines because I 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.239 passed all the tests right, and I went to North 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:12.919 Carolina on the busy U a candler Jones. Yeah, June 0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.719 stepped out on them yellow footprints and they just start screaming, 0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:20.359 screaming in my face. Yeah nor North Carolina. Yeah, so 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:22.680 I accept them one of them yellow footprints and they 0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:26.120 just start screaming at me and spitting, chewing tobacco, and 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:28.120 it was you know, so I chucked him because I'm 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:31.360 I'm from Brooksly and I was like years and I 0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:33.200 see like six of them come down on me. I 0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:34.520 was like, okay, that's a bad idea. 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:41.839 As a teenager, were you super rebellious? 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:45.400 Like what is it to be in the American Army? 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:49.800 Like in terms of like do you realize like, okay, 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.560 this is something that has a lot of discipline and 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.200 we got to wake up five in the morning to. 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:56.520 A bunch of or at least this is what I 0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:57.400 see on television. 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:02.000 But being an only child a very strict mother, I 0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:06.560 was I was very good. Like I would come yeah, 0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:09.120 I would come home from school and I'd be the 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:10.719 only person so I knew where the key was on 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.600 the under the map. I'd go and I make myself 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:16.560 a sandwich. I do my homework because my mom would 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:19.439 whoop ass. It wasn't you know my my mom would 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.440 send you for the ship to whoop your ass. You 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:26.879 know you'd be like get yeah, yeah, that's when I'm saying, yeah, 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:29.080 go get that ship, you know what I mean. So, 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.840 and it and the beatings was not it was you 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.400 know them was some legendary or ass whooping, you know 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:37.120 what I mean. So I was raised on that. So 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:41.319 for me coming to America, I was always very disciplined 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:43.480 and on it. I really didn't get into too many trouble. 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:47.040 But I also like nice things and I and I 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:49.040 wanted to be fly and I wanted to be you 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.640 know what I mean. So if if I worked at 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:55.920 Basket Robbins for one day, you know, I had a 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:58.400 little apron on a little thing and the chicken there 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:01.000 was a hot Puerto Rican chick came and and she 0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:05.040 wanted you know, started asking needs to scooping her ice cream. 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:11.160 Just didn't look cool. I was like, this ain't medo. 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:14.600 I was out shack. 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.520 How far did you get? And you're really your hands 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.080 registered as weapons? 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.640 I don't know if my hands are registered as a weapon, 0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:25.480 but I was in the first Gulf War. I did 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:30.320 Dore's a storm. 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:33.279 Yet respect not bad, must respect. 0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:36.560 Thank you. I did four years. But I didn't come 0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:38.720 out as funny. I didn't come out as a model Marine. 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:42.640 I came out one above a private. I got demoted twice. 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:49.399 Wait demoted? Yeah, how did you get demoted for a wall? 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:52.279 Because I would? I would drive from North Carolina to 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.520 New York every weekend and you're not supposed to go 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:59.440 outside of a fifty mile radius, and I would drive, 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.319 would I? I did it Oh Carolina and big up 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:05.719 in my uniform on a weekend and went back in 0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.600 on soup circle in on forty second Street. They had 0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:11.719 to think called soup circles where you'd jump in the 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.480 van and they'd take you back. And so I did 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.399 those records in my uniform, you know what I mean. 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.239 And I would drive, and if I drive, i'd drive 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:22.920 down in my uniform so that most of the state 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:26.760 troopers were ex military, so they stopped you. They'd be like, okay, 0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.239 slow down, Marine and let you go. So I would 0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.440 always drive in my uniform and I'd come to and 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.480 link up with Sting International, who was a DJ out 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.520 of Brooklyn, at the time, and you know, and was 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.200 my early producer, and we would make records and I'd 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:42.479 go right back in. So my early records like mom Pid, 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.880 those songs when it happened, I was in the military. 0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:45.759 I didn't even know they were. 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:46.320 Hot in Brooklyn. 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:47.080 They were just hot. 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:48.120 Wow. 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.319 And were those records put out on a label or 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:51.160 how did the business work? 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:52.600 Yeah, it was a little. There was a little. There 0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:55.880 was a guy called Ben Sokolov. His brother was Will Sokolov. 0:50:56.200 --> 0:51:00.720 Will Sokalov had Oh yeah, Will Sokolov had the Sleeping 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:04.960 Bag label. Yes, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:08.360 so so I did a record called Gunshot, which was 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.640 a big record that was blowing up on Sleeping Jazzy. 0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:15.800 Jeff would know about that record because he loved that. Yeah, 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:19.160 so I right, and that was on Sleeping Bag. And 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:22.560 Ben Sokolov was his brother that had this label called Signet, 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.240 And then I would put all of those early records 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:28.399 like Big Up and Mompey. All those records came out 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:34.359 e'tn old Carolina came out initially on Signet. Yeah, but 0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:35.960 then he tried, he tried some. When I got I 0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.279 got signed for a million dollars in nineteen ninety three, 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.279 the biggest amount in the history of dance, all the 0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:43.799 reggae at that time. And then he was trying to 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:45.800 you know, he was trying to do the E G 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:48.359 E B GB on me. You know, yes, we had 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:52.759 to cut that nigga loose Wait, we had to cut 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:54.879 on boy and loose Jack. 0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:58.680 I always wanted to know this because I don't I 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:02.800 don't know if I know vin musician that served in 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:08.600 any of the Bush one era wars. But when they're 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:12.120 going to send you guys to kuwait, what's going through 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.120 your mind? Because you know, before that period, all we 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:17.799 knew was Vietnam, And I think that America had this 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:21.680 whole like never again, like we'll never get into another 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:24.960 war ever again in this lifetime. And then like I remember, 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:29.480 like when they may be announcement, especially in ninety one, 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:33.520 that yeah, we're going to go to war, you know 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.680 that that was like a I mean, now, a tragedy 0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:40.960 happens and then it's just like drop something, you know, right, 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:44.600 But you know, back then it was like, Yo, what's 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:48.680 gonna happen? So like in your mind, what were your thoughts? 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.000 My thoughts at that point was to hate the dude 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:54.480 that actually convinced me to go in the military, a 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:58.719 guy called Mark. I forgot his last name. He was 0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:00.719 my boy. It was like, oh yeah, in the military. 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.560 And then when I signed up, he had tried to 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:05.879 send a letter to me saying, don't come into this ship. 0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:09.200 Don't come into this ship. Already I was already done. 0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:11.719 I was like that asshole, here I am. People do 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:14.840 twenty years in the military and they get a paycheck 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.720 for the rest of their life. I do four years 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:21.680 and I'm in a fucking war, Like what are the odds? 0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:25.040 And That's what was going through my mind as far 0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:28.359 as my life is concerned. It really gave me an 0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:32.160 opportunity to be thankful or take a lot of things, 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:34.360 not take a lot of things for granted. Like I 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.200 used to take my mom's cooking for granted because I 0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:39.120 was thinking that I'm gonna go to my next door 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:41.920 neighbors his mom cooked better, you know what I'm saying, 0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.879 or whatever it is. And I would get up out 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:48.520 of my bed and not not make it. When I 0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:50.520 was in the war, I was sleeping on a cop 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:55.640 you know, our sleeping bag, or and then I was 0:53:55.680 --> 0:54:03.080 eating mrs Yeah, and then and I never me it 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:07.680 was ready to eat. It's it's like it's yeah, pre 0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:12.200 read process process military food. And then I would I 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:14.600 would have to dig a hole to take a dump. 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:17.600 And it's so much ship that hits you. Then you 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.680 realize that, oh ship, you had a lot of things 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.200 good that you didn't realize. So when I got out 0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:26.439 the military, I was a changed person in so many 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:31.920 ways because I realized what not to take for granted, 0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:33.479 you know what I'm saying, there's a lot of things 0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:35.920 that really So while I was in there, I didn't 0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:38.360 fear for my life. So because we were so gunn 0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:41.919 hold about and in the military, in the in the war, 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:45.120 it was hurry up and wait. So literally we fought 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:46.920 the war for about two days. The rest of it 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.520 was you know, running around and moving around. The two 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.600 days of two to three days of heavy fighting. Then 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:55.480 they stopped. It was where it was in the shell. 0:54:55.520 --> 0:55:01.080 And those three days was crazy. We were we moved. 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:02.399 Yeah, you came back home. 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:04.360 Did you like have to go through any kind of 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:07.719 therapy or counseling just to kind of Resinah? 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:10.400 No, that was that was the easiest war because you 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:14.120 got low It wasn't like Afghanistan or this place. You know, 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:16.759 the Gulf War was a cake walcome player to the 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:19.200 rest of those bro you know what I mean. It 0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:21.719 was low casualty, and I get it. You know, we 0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:24.359 lost people, So one son or daughter from my mama 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:28.600 or pop is not low casualty. But in the pat 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:33.920 of things, yeah, it's considered low low casualty. So I 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:38.680 got out, you know, unfazed by it, but in a 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:45.000 way very thankful, very appreciative, and very aware of how 0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:48.640 fortunate I am, you know, And I never looked back. 0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:52.520 Once you once you signed the dotted line and the 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:57.319 government owns you, Yeah, how fast can you get out 0:55:57.360 --> 0:55:57.600 of it? 0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:00.440 Like I'm certain that And basically four years you got 0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:01.200 to do your four years. 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:02.959 Okay, it's high school college. 0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:03.960 Unless you get kicked out. 0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:06.160 Unless you get kicked out. Yeah, and if you get 0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:09.680 kicked out, then you know you you can't own and 0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:12.600 you can't hold any government jobs, you know what I mean. 0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:16.040 There's so many things that you can't do once you 0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:20.640 get kicked out issues. 0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:25.160 Government as in like garbage man two, like even. 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:28.279 Anything police, anything, any you can't do any of these 0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:31.160 those things. There's certain things you just can't do when 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:34.120 you're out. If you look at Walt Disney, when you 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:37.200 always see Walt Disney sitting down, if you notice there's 0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:39.960 always those pictures behind him, there was one that was 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:43.520 upside down. That was his dishonored with discharge. 0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:48.400 Oh wow, all. 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:54.400 Right, hey, hey, there's a major history of like Jimmy Hendrick, 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:58.560 Rick James, Like, yeah, people that I. 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.240 Was not a model marine. I came one of PFC. 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.400 But if you go to Paris, Holland, now my picture 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:10.080 is like shaggy, they sell me. Yeah, they used me 0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:11.200 a cruit these days. 0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:15.960 How did you transition, because you know, being in the military, 0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:19.040 that's like very you know, rigid, it's you structure, you have, 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:23.680 you know, time every day. How was the transition going 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:26.520 into the music business where nothing is structured? 0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:28.880 How did you make that transition? 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:32.240 I think it's what set me apart from everybody else, 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:36.240 certainly in downs, you know, apart from me having a 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:40.520 sound on a different style of music. I will I saw, Yeah, 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:43.439 I was professional, I was on time, I worked really 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:47.280 hard and you know, and it really set me apart 0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:50.480 from everybody else. That's that's what really did. So that 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:53.560 transition wasn't hard because I was I was in the 0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:54.520 military doing that. 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:57.720 Let it be known that Shaggy might be the first 0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:01.640 QLs guest that showed up ten minutes early before the 0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:05.800 interview started. I was in a car on the way 0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:07.920 home from the tonight show and they're like, he's here already. 0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:10.440 I'm like, yo, man, I didn't even get to my apartment. 0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:13.480 Correct the Shaggy, go ahead, correct. 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:20.600 Them fifteen minutes early, not ten, just making me do pushups. 0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:31.320 Well, Shaggy, I always wanted to know this, Okay. So 0:58:32.360 --> 0:58:36.800 when I started to seriously DJ, especially, you know, there 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:40.800 was the period where a lot of the I guess 0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:44.960 the WP record compilation stuff started coming out, and basically, 0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:49.600 you know, you have a gazillion Okay, First of all, 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:50.760 what would I call? 0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:52.720 Okay? 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:56.280 So if someone looks at someone in hip hop and 0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:59.200 the person that's doing the rhyme or whatever, we'll say, okay, 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:03.640 that's the MC the rap Yeah. I know that technically 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.400 you guys are DJs, but like, what would you commonly 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:10.080 call the person with the microphone in dance all culture? 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:13.760 Are you calling him an MC or a rapper? 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:21.280 DJ? DJ music? Say what? So? DJ? They used to 0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:24.960 call it back in the day toasting, like like the 0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:29.400 British will call it toasting. But in dance culture in Jamaica, 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:32.440 say you use a DJ to this day, my nickname 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:32.880 is DJ. 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:36.040 Like in the back with the records, who is he 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:37.320 select them? 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:39.520 I knew that I was just. 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:40.680 Testing everybody else. 0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:42.480 I knew that right. 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:44.800 Select that I got. 0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:48.960 You can you tell me the process, especially you know, 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:52.200 starting in at least eighty seven eighty eight, when like 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:56.640 dance all is really really finding it's it's legs. 0:59:56.680 --> 1:00:00.560 How do rhythms get distributed? 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:01.400 Like, how are you. 1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:05.000 Guys aware that yo? Okay, let's let's take the most 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:09.000 infamous one, which is the SLI and Robbie Murdercy wrote rhythm. 1:00:09.160 --> 1:00:09.920 Yeah. 1:00:10.560 --> 1:00:12.880 Now, you know, we live in a time where you 1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:15.920 can pick up your iPhone and something goes viral. But 1:00:16.480 --> 1:00:20.160 how are people aware that there's a new rhythm ready 1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:23.840 to be like right for business in which you know, 1:00:23.960 --> 1:00:26.920 I can rhyme over this or or not rhyme toast 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:27.280 over this. 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:33.120 Well you know that particular rhythm. A lot of people 1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:37.880 don't know that Robbie Shakespeare wasn't really on that it 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:43.240 was really it was really sly. Now team their team. 1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:46.760 Has Slier Robbie, but right, Robbie really didn't play based 1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:49.400 on that. It was really, it was really and Robbie 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:53.120 has been a very very close friend of mine for years, 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:53.360 you know. 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:58.720 But that rhythm itself, you know, it was made with 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:04.320 with akadem Is, some Plyers and they did two songs 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:07.000 on it. I think Pliers did Bam Bam, which was 1:01:07.280 --> 1:01:12.920 a cover of the old twots right, and then and 1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:16.120 then they did Murder she wrote, And those were the 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:19.400 two records. First. It didn't become a rhythm until after 1:01:19.480 --> 1:01:22.400 that where people sly started to make it as a 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:25.160 ridden for other people to do and started doing different Okay. 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:26.480 I'm gonna just say it, you guys, because I'm gonna 1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:28.040 say it for the folks that don't know. 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:29.560 Just tell them what the rhythm is. Tell them what 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:30.000 the rhythm is. 1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:33.720 The background so like don't you notice like sometimes you'll 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:37.040 hear the same song, you'll hear the same musical bath 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:39.080 drop everybody like. 1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:47.680 Way back the the what was the right right? And 1:01:47.960 --> 1:01:50.320 that was that's the rhythm. 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:52.960 So the Wally rhythm is done by Lanky Marsden, who 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:55.520 was also a protege of Slim Robbie to be honest 1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:58.880 with you and and Leanky Marsden is one of the 1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:03.439 arrangers on this new album with Me and Sting. Yeah, 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:08.160 so he created that and did Sean Paul Get Busy 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:09.800 and all of those records and then he wanted to 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:13.840 know Letting Go and all that. Yeah, that record that 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:15.520 was a very popular ridden too. 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:19.120 Well, I'm just asking from the musical standpoint. So say, 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:23.360 if I make a beat, right, I produce something, Yeah, do. 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:25.120 I want everyone to rhyme over it? 1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:27.280 And am I getting paid like the person that does 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:34.520 the rhythm to or whatever d like when he does 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:37.640 that rhythm and then like thirty people are rhyming and 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:39.840 releasing records on that rhythm. 1:02:40.160 --> 1:02:41.960 Am I getting paid thirty times? 1:02:42.080 --> 1:02:45.600 Or am I just yes you are? Okay, oh yes 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:48.440 you are? Because because each song, each song is a 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:51.400 new composition. So little Me d uh oh is a 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:57.800 different composition, Sean Paul uh, get Busy is a different composition. 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:00.600 So wonder yeah you know what I mean. 1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:05.120 So there's no there's no like territorial pissing, Like I 1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:07.520 don't know, like if I made something dope like grinding 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:10.440 by the clips, if the clips rhyme are over grind 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:14.479 and I would figure that Pharrell wouldn't want anyone else 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:18.160 to have that musical backdrop except for the artisty intensive. 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:21.560 Yeah, but if you, but but if you, if you're 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:24.160 in the business of money, you're going to have dope, right, 1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:26.440 you know. 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:29.200 Said jacking your ship. But if you're saying it. 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:31.439 Like, all right, take a bridge, you got you got, 1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:34.280 Sting did every berth you take and then Puffy did 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.919 it over with I'll be miss you, it's the same 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:38.600 be Sting. 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:42.640 Got paid twice and now you'll just like Mary's samples 1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:44.040 are marrying into the rhythm. 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:47.920 You know, It's just it's the same ship, you know, 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:51.000 So if you I want that to happen. Nowadays, it's 1:03:51.040 --> 1:03:54.080 not as popular to have rhythms again as much. You know, 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:57.200 it's not it doesn't dominate like that. It's mainly an 1:03:57.200 --> 1:04:00.400 Internet really changed that. So you'll see people do you know, 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:05.560 because YouTube is where most Jamaicans consume. They're they're they're streaming, 1:04:06.160 --> 1:04:10.080 so they'll be buying into these songs. And it's too easy, 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:13.080 you know, to just get into different different songs. 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:15.200 Now, well, that's my next question. 1:04:15.320 --> 1:04:18.320 I was about to say, like I haven't seen a 1:04:18.400 --> 1:04:20.560 new rhythm since like two. 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:24.600 Thousand and seven. Almost it's almost like it it went out. 1:04:24.800 --> 1:04:29.120 So for you, where is dancehall culture? 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:34.040 I have a feeling that, like, is there something new 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:37.960 that the younger generation is embracing. 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:39.880 Chronics Chronics is a part of the new generation. I 1:04:39.880 --> 1:04:41.240 would think, you know. 1:04:41.280 --> 1:04:42.560 These are old soul. 1:04:43.040 --> 1:04:45.480 Yeah, but but but but there that's a guy where 1:04:45.800 --> 1:04:49.600 the music that he made was appealing to the young, 1:04:50.080 --> 1:04:53.200 young guys, but also to older people. You know what 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:56.320 I'm saying, People fuck with Chronics who were old people 1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:58.960 were young, you know what I'm saying. But as far 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:02.240 as that, as far as dance All, now, you know, 1:05:02.480 --> 1:05:05.240 if you look at what dance all is right now, 1:05:05.880 --> 1:05:09.080 it's a different kind of a sound. But what dance 1:05:09.120 --> 1:05:12.560 all is looking for is that superhero star that I'm 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:15.760 telling you about to really make it cool and shift it. 1:05:16.160 --> 1:05:18.040 You know, the sound might very well be there. It's 1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:22.000 a combination of two things, a sound, right and the 1:05:22.120 --> 1:05:26.960 artists and the star. Because you could sing something backwards 1:05:26.960 --> 1:05:29.000 in the Hebrew. If you cool enough doing it, you're 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:31.600 gonna grab onto it. Do you get what I'm saying. 1:05:32.600 --> 1:05:37.520 Is there a lack of a certain type of charisma? Yeah, 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:39.040 I mean the same way that there will never be 1:05:39.080 --> 1:05:41.120 another Michael Jackson, There'll never be another prince. 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:43.680 And I'm gonna break it down to you. I'm gonna 1:05:43.680 --> 1:05:46.080 tell you why I'm break it down to you. There 1:05:46.160 --> 1:05:49.040 is a lack of that because you might have somebody 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:54.440 who's really talented, but they don't have charisma. Or you 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:57.080 might have somebody that got the charisma but he can't 1:05:57.120 --> 1:05:59.760 spit real well. Or you might have somebody that got 1:05:59.760 --> 1:06:03.680 the rithman he could spit well, but then the person's lazy, ship, 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:05.640 don't want to do no interviews, don't want to go 1:06:05.760 --> 1:06:08.320 nothing now and so, or you might have somebody got 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:09.919 all of that, but they got to manage it. That's 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:12.200 just a fucking idiot, you know what I'm saying. So 1:06:12.240 --> 1:06:14.240 when you when you look at it, if you to 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:18.160 get a superstar, that super you gotta have all of 1:06:18.200 --> 1:06:21.600 that lined up. Take for instance, you look at Afrobeat. 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:25.040 Everybody say Afrobeat has been coming forever, blah blah blah 1:06:25.080 --> 1:06:28.240 blah blah blah blah. Okay, but you look at Berna 1:06:28.280 --> 1:06:30.240 boy right now is the biggest in the world. Now. 1:06:30.280 --> 1:06:32.200 If you go to like Nigeria and talk to problem 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:35.000 the average person to be like bernaboy, is that guy? 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:37.280 You know what I mean? You go because same ship 1:06:37.360 --> 1:06:39.479 that go on a different day with a different artist, 1:06:39.800 --> 1:06:41.840 you know, the same shit with me. Oh shah, yeah, 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:43.560 ain't that you know? Whatever it is? 1:06:44.000 --> 1:06:45.600 So whoever the popular one is. 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:49.280 But what sets burn a boy apart? That's that's the 1:06:49.320 --> 1:06:52.959 guy that did the work, Because how are you gonna 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:57.280 tell the guys in Africa? Africa is a continent. These 1:06:57.360 --> 1:07:00.360 guys are driving Lamborghinis and Ferrari. You're gonna tell him 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:02.600 to come over here and do quest Love show for free? 1:07:03.880 --> 1:07:07.520 I fuck got it. It takes. It takes. It takes 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:10.840 a different mindset of a guy to be like, you 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:13.760 know what, I'm seeing a bigger picture here. I'm gonna 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:17.080 go do Quest's ship for free, and I'm gonna and 1:07:17.120 --> 1:07:20.800 I'm gonna come from fifteen minutes early and make sure 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:24.760 that that motherfucker see me when he comes. I mean, 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:27.200 and it ain't money for that guy, it's it is 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:29.880 really a bigger picture of where he wants to go. 1:07:30.240 --> 1:07:33.560 That's that's what Bernard boy hats. That's the guy that 1:07:33.680 --> 1:07:35.680 decided that he's gonna do it. Now, what's gonna happen 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:37.640 now is once he gets that, you're gonna see a 1:07:37.640 --> 1:07:40.280 lot of motherfuckers who was driving him car be like, yo, 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:41.600 I want to be as big as that might. Yo, 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:44.280 he ain't shit fuck that. You know, they're gonna start 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:47.160 to work now because he's now setting that trend of 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:49.680 what to do. You know this, right after Shaggy, there 1:07:49.720 --> 1:07:53.720 was a Shan Paul I mean, and that then because Trent, 1:07:53.920 --> 1:07:56.240 you know this right after remember what motherfuckers used to 1:07:56.320 --> 1:07:59.800 do until Jay started putting on suits, you know, and 1:07:59.600 --> 1:08:02.920 and and put it fitted on, and then motherfuckers became 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:06.840 instead of rappers, they became wounds, you know, and remember that. 1:08:06.960 --> 1:08:10.080 And Jade came with a model. You know, he went Beyonce. 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:12.520 I saw fifty do an interview the other day and say, 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:15.240 we know why j madde because he signed that contract? 1:08:15.280 --> 1:08:21.960 What contract Beyonce? Because because Beyonce was this leverage. Because 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:24.360 you're gonna have a different conversation now when you got 1:08:24.360 --> 1:08:27.200 Beyonce in the room, you know what I'm saying. That's 1:08:27.200 --> 1:08:29.360 the difference. And if you if you look at the model, 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:33.600 it became okay. So what came after that? Kanye and 1:08:33.640 --> 1:08:39.240 Kim same model, Swiss and Alicia same model right right now, 1:08:39.240 --> 1:08:43.120 you got Cardi b and and same same model, you know. 1:08:43.200 --> 1:08:46.600 I mean it's it's been patterned because it was blueprinted 1:08:46.640 --> 1:08:51.200 by Jay and you saw that it worked and you 1:08:51.320 --> 1:08:54.080 followed it. You know what I'm saying, That's all we're 1:08:54.080 --> 1:08:57.000 trying to do in dance all is create that mold. 1:08:57.520 --> 1:09:00.840 That'd be like, oh ship, that's blueprinted. This motherfuck made that. 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:03.600 I'm gonna fuck with that, and you might do a 1:09:03.640 --> 1:09:05.559 spin off of it. And they got me exactly the 1:09:05.560 --> 1:09:08.519 same way. But you know, you got something as a 1:09:08.560 --> 1:09:10.240 guide to bring you there. 1:09:10.320 --> 1:09:12.960 But making that next shaggy it's more of a challenge, 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:15.519 I think than people even know, because I was I 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:17.200 was just thinking about this as we were talking about 1:09:17.200 --> 1:09:19.000 these other records that came out during the time when 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:22.519 you did, like even with the murder she Wroats or flex. 1:09:23.560 --> 1:09:26.839 The other one thing that you have and that nobody 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:29.400 ever did, and we don't want to admit this as Americans, 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:31.719 is that we knew what the fuck you was saying, 1:09:32.080 --> 1:09:35.880 because for like the rest of those records, we were But. 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:39.400 That was calculated. I figured it out, you know what 1:09:39.400 --> 1:09:42.800 I mean. I took I knew motherfuckers like reggae because 1:09:42.840 --> 1:09:46.160 they liked the cadences and the floor. I took dance 1:09:46.200 --> 1:09:49.559 all cadences. But I just spoke to Queen's English. So 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:51.599 I put a little patrol word there and there. But 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:53.679 then I made it clear enough a lot of things. 1:09:53.720 --> 1:09:56.719 One big party and you're still young. Well, who's gonna 1:09:56.760 --> 1:09:59.120 have their back when it's all dumb? It's all go 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:01.960 the way you have that accent that is there. But 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:04.840 that was deliberate. It was an accident. 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:06.920 But to the point where people questioned, But to the 1:10:06.960 --> 1:10:09.479 point where people questioned your validity as like, let. 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:10.519 Me tell you that from Jamaica. 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:13.960 Ya, dude, that ship killed It made me and killed 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:16.479 me at the same time. It made me because I 1:10:16.520 --> 1:10:18.600 got on every single radio and my records would be 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:21.200 it killed me. Couldn't be like that nigga ain't real Jamaican. 1:10:21.840 --> 1:10:23.920 You don't hear that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:27.000 That motherfucker in Jamaican, And I am more Jamaican than 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:29.439 all that motherfuckers because I'm not. I'm from the gutters 1:10:29.439 --> 1:10:34.280 of Jamaica. I'm from the Jamaica, And I mean I 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:37.200 did everything Jamaican out of there. But at the end 1:10:37.200 --> 1:10:40.640 of the day, as history absorbs you after a while. 1:10:40.760 --> 1:10:42.559 That story wasn't shaggy though. 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:44.640 That part of the story was never told about you 1:10:44.920 --> 1:10:47.240 because of the fact that you skipped and went to 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:49.720 that pop thing. So everybody who was pushing toward that 1:10:49.800 --> 1:10:52.120 direction had no idea that we wanted to hear that 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:54.800 story necessary and. 1:10:54.720 --> 1:10:56.760 I didn't want I didn't want to go pop. I 1:10:56.840 --> 1:11:00.240 just go where there understood, understand because if you because 1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:02.000 if you think about there's another guy that was in 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:06.519 my company, his name was Bob Marley. Yes, I noticed 1:11:06.560 --> 1:11:09.320 that Bob Marley was never played on black radio. 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:11.519 Yes, yes, he was played. 1:11:11.680 --> 1:11:15.360 He was played on rock radio. Yes. It's so ironic 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:18.800 now that that Marley has now become a symbol of 1:11:18.920 --> 1:11:23.800 black people and and the black struggle, but was not embraced. 1:11:23.880 --> 1:11:26.880 You're right, it's funny because it was truly black radio's fault, 1:11:27.200 --> 1:11:30.960 not black people, which my mother always makes it clear, like, 1:11:31.000 --> 1:11:33.760 don't get it twisted. I saw the documentary too. We 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:34.559 fucked with him. 1:11:35.200 --> 1:11:39.640 Radio did not exactly exactly, So it's so ironic. And 1:11:39.680 --> 1:11:42.080 then what was so what was so crazy is that 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:44.760 the Marley music that you hear now that is now 1:11:44.840 --> 1:11:51.679 the blueprint of reggae music was actually a hybrid because 1:11:52.280 --> 1:11:56.320 of because of rock. Because let me show you Chris Blackwell. 1:11:56.840 --> 1:12:00.000 To get to get reggae to be played on rock record, 1:12:00.680 --> 1:12:04.080 he hired a session musicians to do overdubs and a 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:07.800 lot of the original Whalers records created a high and 1:12:07.880 --> 1:12:11.080 created a hybrid. And that's how and those records are 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:14.200 now the blueprint of what reggae music is now. If 1:12:14.200 --> 1:12:16.559 you look at it, even with Sting and the Police, 1:12:16.600 --> 1:12:18.479 Sting used to idols. Sting told me this that he 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:24.559 tried to to emolate. He tried to immolate a family man, 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:27.240 and and and the Whales and all of these reggae bands, 1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:29.600 and what he created, he couldn't do it. So what 1:12:29.680 --> 1:12:33.080 he ended up doing was a hybrid version of it, 1:12:33.120 --> 1:12:34.439 which became the sound. 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:38.760 Of the Yeah right. 1:12:39.920 --> 1:12:42.240 It became white rege and and and if you look 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:44.679 at if you look at the Police, they were really 1:12:44.720 --> 1:12:49.160 the first white reggae band that sold millions, you know. 1:12:49.240 --> 1:12:51.680 And then if you look at it now at all 1:12:51.760 --> 1:12:53.400 the rest of the band, you look at, you be 1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:56.840 forty All of these bands that have sold over ten 1:12:56.920 --> 1:13:00.320 million are massive. They're all white. You be forty, no 1:13:00.400 --> 1:13:04.960 doubt a bass you know, no way right. Even now, 1:13:05.680 --> 1:13:10.360 the two biggest reggae bands is Soldia and Revolution, white 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:11.040 reggae bands. 1:13:11.120 --> 1:13:13.280 I was with Spice in that fight. She should should 1:13:13.280 --> 1:13:13.479 have won. 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:16.200 Josh got out one matter of fact. Matter of fact, 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:21.439 Bob Marley was arguably the biggest reggae artists of all times. 1:13:21.479 --> 1:13:23.519 Only Number one was I Shot the Sheriff. That was 1:13:23.560 --> 1:13:26.200 done by the white guy, Eric Eric Clapton. 1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:31.240 Wow, you got to teach this master class. 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:33.599 Shaggy damn Shaggy. 1:13:35.160 --> 1:13:35.360 Yeah. 1:13:35.479 --> 1:13:39.080 When when you're when you're having this initial success with 1:13:39.080 --> 1:13:42.719 with Caroline and all these hits, you know you're you're 1:13:43.160 --> 1:13:48.640 now stepping into spaces and territories that are you know, 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:53.559 only for you know, the elite artists. And so what's 1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:58.959 that experience like like now getting to play these stadiums 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:01.720 and doing these shows that otherwise you know you're not 1:14:01.840 --> 1:14:06.360 doing these, like local run of the mill nightclubs. 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:07.720 And sound systems. 1:14:09.120 --> 1:14:13.320 I tell you what, I never felt accepted. I believe 1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:17.800 that I was never felt accepted in any of it. 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:20.880 I always felt out of place, even though I was 1:14:20.920 --> 1:14:23.000 in the room with some of these big names and 1:14:23.040 --> 1:14:26.960 I sold those numbers. I never felt like I was 1:14:27.840 --> 1:14:30.439 accepted as part of it. It was like, Okay, he's 1:14:30.479 --> 1:14:31.120 just a thing. 1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:34.280 Oh you got lucky and you're here. 1:14:34.960 --> 1:14:39.639 So even when you like, performed from Michael Jackson at MSG, 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:43.160 because I think he actually said I love this song 1:14:43.280 --> 1:14:44.480 I saw it was about. 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:47.320 Yeah, he said it was his favorite record. But Michael 1:14:47.360 --> 1:14:49.720 gave me a speech. Like I spoke to Michael and 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:52.320 he gave me a speech. And when you're talking to 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:55.160 Michael Jackson and he knows everything about your album more 1:14:55.200 --> 1:14:59.960 than you, Wow, you realized that that person is stud 1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:03.960 like he was. He was asking me a BYuT album tracks, 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:05.920 not singles, album tracks. 1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:10.799 Quick backstory, Mike, So Michael Jackson before streaming culture, Michael 1:15:10.840 --> 1:15:15.920 had like four dudes every week, like four guys would 1:15:16.000 --> 1:15:18.320 have to study every chart around the world. 1:15:19.160 --> 1:15:20.080 Yeah, and then make. 1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:26.200 Michael Jackson a compilation of every top twenty chart for 1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:30.000 every country in the world. So every Monday morning, Michael 1:15:30.120 --> 1:15:37.240 Jackson's getting a new compilation of whatever is like just 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:39.719 got into the top twenty and he's studying it. 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:42.880 And he Likelive Davis, Clive Davis did the same thing. 1:15:43.479 --> 1:15:46.400 Yeah, Okay, and then if he likes what he hears, 1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:47.920 then he studies that. 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:49.240 Artist whole history. 1:15:49.479 --> 1:15:49.719 Yeah. 1:15:50.080 --> 1:15:52.360 Yeah, it was explains why he takes like six years 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:53.679 between records, so he's busy. 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:58.120 So Michael for me was a validation because for one, 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:00.519 I didn't even know the guy named my name. Right, 1:16:00.840 --> 1:16:04.599 Imagine how shocked I was that I got the invite. 1:16:04.680 --> 1:16:07.960 I'm like, I'm dansall, are you serious? Or the genre? 1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:11.400 I'm like yeah, And and and that I was going 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:13.560 to be on Prime Time singing that ship you know 1:16:13.600 --> 1:16:15.799 what I'm saying, and then he reacted out. He reacted 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:18.880 So that was that was a moment for me. So 1:16:19.000 --> 1:16:22.360 that was a part of the validation for me. But 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:26.040 I think the biggest validation I got was Sting. That 1:16:26.040 --> 1:16:29.200 that was the biggest validation for me. That, like Sting 1:16:30.600 --> 1:16:33.160 restored every confidence that I was lacking. 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:36.640 Talk about it. How did you guys meet? 1:16:36.960 --> 1:16:39.680 You know? Funny enough, I'm mixeding in two thousand and 1:16:39.720 --> 1:16:42.880 four and Antwerp and I jumped on stage and did 1:16:43.520 --> 1:16:46.000 rock sand and I never saw him again into years after. 1:16:47.600 --> 1:16:48.759 Was that the Police reunion? 1:16:49.560 --> 1:16:51.559 No, it wasn't produce unit. He was just you know, 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:55.519 doing on his own No, he did rock yeah on 1:16:55.560 --> 1:16:57.240 his own. Yeah, he does that every d It's his song, 1:16:57.280 --> 1:16:59.840 he wrote, He wrote, all so it's good. Well that. 1:16:59.880 --> 1:17:03.479 But normally, normally when I see Sting, you know, I 1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:07.320 get jazzy Sting or whatever, like he never touches his. 1:17:07.280 --> 1:17:10.800 Nose, you know, he's that. That night he did and 1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:14.160 we ended up broking in Antwerp. I was on a 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:16.639 thing called Night of the Problems with Me. James Brown, 1:17:16.680 --> 1:17:20.120 sending Law pointed, sister, all of us was there. It 1:17:20.160 --> 1:17:22.240 was a big orchestra thing. We were there for a month, 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:25.040 you know, and wow, and that's when I met James 1:17:25.040 --> 1:17:28.719 Brown too, who took a liking to me and kicked 1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:31.240 my door in and gave me a full fucking sit 1:17:31.400 --> 1:17:32.240 down one evening. 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:34.280 What was that like? 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:39.240 He walked into my dressing room with a with a 1:17:39.280 --> 1:17:42.439 bodyguard guy behind him and the dude that always put 1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:46.040 the thing over his shoulders and and he walked in 1:17:46.200 --> 1:17:49.680 and said and said, he says, sit down, I want 1:17:49.680 --> 1:17:52.519 to talk to you. And I was like, oh ship, 1:17:52.560 --> 1:17:55.160 I'm not getting like a James Brown beat down or something. 1:17:57.120 --> 1:17:59.360 So I sat and then he was like, let me 1:17:59.360 --> 1:18:01.160 tell you something. I don't watch you every night. 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:04.080 I seen them come. I see him go. I've been 1:18:04.120 --> 1:18:07.840 to your country, a part of Molly. Let me tell 1:18:07.840 --> 1:18:10.559 you something. You good, you the truth, you funny. You 1:18:10.560 --> 1:18:11.599 need to let me see both sides. 1:18:12.520 --> 1:18:14.519 And I'm looking at him, say, let me tell you something. 1:18:14.600 --> 1:18:18.040 Can take away your woman, your house, your car, your money. 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:19.400 There's one thing that never. 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:22.479 Take away from you your talent. And as long as 1:18:22.479 --> 1:18:25.360 you have your talent, you're a rich man. Keep doing 1:18:25.400 --> 1:18:28.400 you doing, God bless you. Get up and walked out. 1:18:28.920 --> 1:18:33.960 That was my James Brown you know moment. And I 1:18:34.000 --> 1:18:36.679 was like, because he would because he would come out 1:18:36.720 --> 1:18:39.200 on the stage like all of us. We have these 1:18:39.280 --> 1:18:41.200 orchestra that was playing that we would come out every 1:18:41.240 --> 1:18:43.560 now and then and play different different songs, and he 1:18:43.600 --> 1:18:46.720 would come out every time it was my segment. He 1:18:46.840 --> 1:18:48.519 pulled a chair up and he just sit down and 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:53.960 watch wow and then yeah. And then I would be like, mister, mister, 1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:55.880 they would say, mister Brown. I'd be like, god father, 1:18:56.760 --> 1:19:00.000 you'd always and he comes in and you know you always. 1:19:00.520 --> 1:19:02.840 It was hollering at me like that, and it just 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:04.479 really took a liking to me. For some reason. I 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:06.040 heard it was a hard ass. But he was like, 1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:08.880 really just a really cool guy to me. For some reason, 1:19:09.040 --> 1:19:11.240 he just you know, he just liked me, you know. 1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:14.760 So we were there doing that and then Sting came 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:17.720 in and for one night that and we gave up 1:19:17.720 --> 1:19:19.320 the night and that's the first time I met him. 1:19:19.680 --> 1:19:23.599 Years afterwards, Markin Kiirzenbaum, who was my a n r 1:19:23.720 --> 1:19:27.240 at at Geffen when you know, you remember that time 1:19:27.280 --> 1:19:33.320 when mc HA turned into Geffen. Remember, so Martin Martin 1:19:33.680 --> 1:19:36.360 was the head of international and he was the only 1:19:36.439 --> 1:19:39.960 person that really championed my my project at that time 1:19:40.600 --> 1:19:43.680 with Asexy Lady and these other records, and so I 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:46.759 decided to say, hey, that guy championed me. I told Jimmy, 1:19:46.760 --> 1:19:49.320 I want him to be my an R. And so 1:19:49.600 --> 1:19:51.880 Martin and I became really good friends. Martin then did 1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:56.000 cher Tree label and signed Lady Gaga and LMFAO and 1:19:56.080 --> 1:20:00.519 all of these big, big, bigger bands. And when Martin 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:04.479 left Interscop, he started managing Sting because he was also 1:20:04.560 --> 1:20:07.479 stings A and r FI years and he just thought 1:20:07.560 --> 1:20:09.639 he knew me and new Sting and just thought that 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:13.120 we would get along. And I had a song called 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:16.519 Don't Make Me Wait, and Martin says I love that song, 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:19.120 could you send it to me? So I sent it 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:21.080 to him and I'm in the student in LA. When 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:23.120 I send it to him, I'm doing some ship and 1:20:23.160 --> 1:20:26.760 Sting walked in singing it and he was like, do maybe, 1:20:26.760 --> 1:20:29.639 come on, Shaguless, make this a hit. I was like, oh, 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:33.880 it happened. Yeah, it was like really And we sat 1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:36.720 there and he looks at me and he says, now, 1:20:36.720 --> 1:20:39.400 I want you to produce me. I wanted to be authentic. 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:42.280 This is your this is your genre. I want you 1:20:42.360 --> 1:20:44.600 to and I'm like, you want me to produce you? 1:20:45.680 --> 1:20:48.160 That's what? What's that? 1:20:49.120 --> 1:20:49.439 I hear? 1:20:49.479 --> 1:20:51.000 He's hard to take instruction. 1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:53.800 So no, he's very easy, he said, one of the 1:20:53.840 --> 1:20:56.679 easiest guys. You could do. The other thing, you could 1:20:56.720 --> 1:20:59.680 realize what Sting is that when he's creating. If he 1:20:59.760 --> 1:21:03.519 comes up with something and you like it and he 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:07.720 likes it, just know he's doing thirty more of them 1:21:07.760 --> 1:21:11.280 and he might come back to the original. Wow, that's 1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:15.599 his process. It might be frustrating to you that if 1:21:15.640 --> 1:21:19.120 you hear that one that you like, he's not okay, 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:20.840 I know you like that. Okay, we'll put that in 1:21:20.840 --> 1:21:22.759 the pocket. Now I got thirty more to do. 1:21:24.080 --> 1:21:25.639 Right, so you gotta have patience. 1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:29.559 Dumb question, guys, Shaggy, are you the first reggae artist 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:31.320 the thing is work with. 1:21:32.120 --> 1:21:33.519 I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't think 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:35.599 this thing has worked with so many people, But I'm 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:38.200 I'm the first one an album. 1:21:38.280 --> 1:21:40.679 Yeah yeah, yeah. 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:43.120 He's never he's never done a full album with anyone 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:46.160 like that. Man do a full album together and it 1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:49.479 was a camaraderie. We met each other and just and 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:52.400 just was like we had more fun than music and 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:56.120 we just started laughing and just it just happened. 1:21:56.760 --> 1:21:59.400 We performed with each other, like I think right before 1:21:59.400 --> 1:22:03.960 the pandemic, the summer before and when I got the record, 1:22:04.160 --> 1:22:06.080 I always wanted to know, why did you guys name 1:22:06.120 --> 1:22:09.559 it forty four eight seven six? 1:22:10.360 --> 1:22:11.920 Well? Who was just trying to be creative? 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:14.880 What's the what's the significance behind the number? 1:22:15.000 --> 1:22:17.920 So? So four four is the eric is the is 1:22:17.960 --> 1:22:20.639 the phone code when you're in the uk U prison? 1:22:21.040 --> 1:22:22.080 Plus four four. 1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:25.200 Oh plus four four eight seventy six. 1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:27.720 And eight seventy six is Jamaica. So it's four four 1:22:27.800 --> 1:22:40.840 to eight six Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:22:36.160 --> 1:22:39.360 Before we close, I definitely want to get to this 1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:44.599 this new project. So come like I did not see 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:49.240 this coming. Now, Yeah, I'm a Sinatra fan. Like, tell me, 1:22:49.760 --> 1:22:54.080 tell me the genesis of how you came up with 1:22:54.080 --> 1:22:56.520 this idea. I'm going to do Frank Sinatra covers. 1:22:56.920 --> 1:22:59.599 We were on tour on the four four eight seventy 1:22:59.600 --> 1:23:03.439 six two and we had a day off in like Norway, 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:06.439 one of these places, and we're on the fields on 1:23:06.479 --> 1:23:09.280 a boat. Sting says, let's let's take a boat out 1:23:09.320 --> 1:23:11.360 and just hang out for the day. And then we 1:23:11.400 --> 1:23:14.880 were out there and it was me and Dominic Miller's guitarists, 1:23:14.920 --> 1:23:17.920 and we're all out there on the boat. We had 1:23:18.000 --> 1:23:20.439 drinks and everything, and then he jumped off into the 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:22.840 water and started swimming, and I was like, I do 1:23:22.920 --> 1:23:27.679 that ship, That's just that's just cold. I'm Jamaican, right, 1:23:29.800 --> 1:23:30.200 ain't me? 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:30.439 Bro? 1:23:31.479 --> 1:23:34.759 So I just he jump off and sing and started 1:23:34.760 --> 1:23:38.280 to swim in there him and dominate, and I said, 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:40.360 I'm staying on the boat. So while they was out 1:23:40.360 --> 1:23:43.320 there swimming, I'm like, okay, let me put on some music. 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:46.600 So I just put on some Sinatra because I like 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:49.559 Sinatra and I was raised on Sinatra in Jamaica, Like 1:23:49.600 --> 1:23:52.439 I say, it's Sunday music. So I just started playing 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:55.720 it from my phone and then Sting was coming back 1:23:55.800 --> 1:23:58.200 up on the boat and I was singing along to it, 1:23:58.560 --> 1:24:01.559 and he just looked at me and says, yo, that's 1:24:01.640 --> 1:24:04.960 your key. I'm like okay. I was like, no, no, no, 1:24:05.360 --> 1:24:08.200 you have the same You have the same tone as 1:24:08.360 --> 1:24:11.280 as Sinatra. That's he's a base tendor, you're a base 1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:14.240 tenor that's And so he's going to meet with all 1:24:14.280 --> 1:24:16.120 this ship and I'm like all right, well, yeah, sure, 1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:20.040 whatever you know. And then we started talking and he said, well, 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:21.640 we'll be cool if we did this in reggae and 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:24.519 blah blah blah, all this shit. The ship stayed away 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:28.479 to like this is before the pandemic alledge to just 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:33.080 sit around with ain done ship. And then last year, 1:24:33.439 --> 1:24:34.680 at the top of the year, he looks at me, 1:24:34.720 --> 1:24:37.360 he says, what the year before, he says, you know, 1:24:37.400 --> 1:24:40.479 we should. He was doing this thing in Vegas, we 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:44.000 call it the Residence Residency, and I went out there 1:24:44.040 --> 1:24:46.880 to do to the Residency and sat and kind of 1:24:46.960 --> 1:24:48.960 jumped on stage of the night and we were backstage 1:24:49.320 --> 1:24:51.599 and I started singing the Sinatra shit again and he's 1:24:51.640 --> 1:24:53.680 playing and ship and he says, Shay, we should do this. 1:24:54.120 --> 1:24:56.720 I'm like, all right again, I'm not thinking nothing, and 1:24:56.760 --> 1:24:58.639 he's like, what are you doing the top of the year, 1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:01.880 I said, I'm going to be Myami. He says, let's 1:25:01.920 --> 1:25:04.240 do it. And then top of the year he came 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:07.760 to my house in Miami and he called me and said, oh, 1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:09.519 we're going to do it. So I ended up flying 1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:11.920 some musicians up and we did it in my at 1:25:11.920 --> 1:25:14.000 my house, in my student in my house in Miami 1:25:14.520 --> 1:25:16.679 and started doing it there. By the end of the week, 1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:18.639 I had like eight songs. I was like, oh, Ship, 1:25:18.680 --> 1:25:21.000 this has really happened and it really sounded it. And 1:25:21.000 --> 1:25:22.840 then we ended up going to Jamaica. Now we got 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:25.760 like Dean Fraser, Lanky Mars, then we got all the 1:25:25.800 --> 1:25:28.640 original dudes, We got all the backgrounds done, and then 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:32.439 we ended up going to l a At Capitol into 1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:36.960 Sinatras and we did like you know the yeah, yeah 1:25:37.000 --> 1:25:39.120 we did it original, Yeah. 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:39.400 We weren't there. 1:25:39.479 --> 1:25:47.960 Yeah, yeah, it's trippy. It's yeah, it's trippy, you know 1:25:47.960 --> 1:25:50.000 what I mean. And so we ended up doing that 1:25:50.080 --> 1:25:53.439 and then it was Rob who'd done was good at 1:25:53.439 --> 1:25:58.800 that repertoire that Sting brought in, you know, and we 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:03.240 had to because most reggae records are good on two chords, 1:26:03.520 --> 1:26:06.519 you know this, and it's the most reggae records are 1:26:06.560 --> 1:26:09.840 two chords, and Sinatra is you know, four or five 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:14.240 six chord changes. We had to figure out the genius 1:26:14.400 --> 1:26:16.720 was how to figure it out to make it not 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:20.200 be more jazz than reggae, because if it's too jazz, 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:23.200 then it's just gonna be corny. And if it's too reggae, 1:26:23.240 --> 1:26:25.320 then it's got enough jazz. So you have to take 1:26:25.360 --> 1:26:30.040 the right amount of chords out to make it work. 1:26:30.760 --> 1:26:33.080 And if that was strip it down, and that was 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:36.479 experimental because if it won't too much, then it would 1:26:36.520 --> 1:26:39.120 be you know, it would be two corn if it's 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:42.360 too much and right, you know, And it became it 1:26:42.400 --> 1:26:46.840 became a really really hard process, and it took Sting 1:26:46.960 --> 1:26:50.200 really hearing what he was saying. All the vocals was 1:26:50.240 --> 1:26:53.040 produced by Sting, like he sat there with me and 1:26:53.160 --> 1:26:56.840 taught me every note the piano, just like nope, nope, 1:26:56.880 --> 1:26:59.800 not that, nope, not that, nope, not you know, and 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:04.200 really cracked on me to make sure that I got yeah, 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:06.680 cracked the whip to make sure that I did. I 1:27:06.760 --> 1:27:08.800 did average about two songs a day. 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:15.200 What was the most challenging song in the songbook? To conquered? 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:19.960 Lucky a Lady was hard, because yeah, Lucky a Lady 1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:24.960 was really really hard and Saturday night and I would think, 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:30.000 I think that's life was also cha, Yeah it was. 1:27:30.040 --> 1:27:32.920 It was alright, and you know it, and it's it's 1:27:32.960 --> 1:27:35.360 really just he wanted it, like he says. He kept 1:27:35.400 --> 1:27:39.320 saying to me, don't do Sinatra. I don't want Sinatra. 1:27:39.439 --> 1:27:42.880 I want Shaggy. And it was important for him to 1:27:42.920 --> 1:27:47.400 get that you're you're doing Sinatra songs, you're in the 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:51.680 same registers, and but don't do Sinatra. I want you 1:27:51.720 --> 1:27:55.240 to because I had a tendency of mimicking people, mimiced 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:59.120 to that. I was like, no, I want Shaggy, you know, 1:27:59.240 --> 1:27:59.720 and he was. 1:27:59.760 --> 1:28:03.000 He was adamant about So at one point, you took 1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:06.439 your trademark voice away to try to clean like Sinatra. 1:28:06.560 --> 1:28:08.800 No, no, it wasn't even that I would still use 1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:11.880 that voice, but just the way Sinatra would sing it. 1:28:12.600 --> 1:28:15.720 Note for note, I was copying that and he didn't 1:28:15.760 --> 1:28:19.200 want that. It's like I want shaggy. You know it's 1:28:19.280 --> 1:28:22.240 gonna be it's gonna you gotta bring that reggae flavored. 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:25.680 It's reggae. I want that shaggy, you know. And he 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:28.720 was he was very adamant about it. I mean talking 1:28:28.760 --> 1:28:31.800 when I say every line, man, I mean, we would. 1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:35.240 He was really on it. He's and if you work 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:38.200 with Sting, this guy is there. He's ever on time. 1:28:38.280 --> 1:28:41.240 He's you know, he's early always, you know, and he's 1:28:41.280 --> 1:28:44.880 always beat you there. So you know, and I lived 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:47.680 at my studio and he'll be there before I get up, 1:28:48.800 --> 1:28:52.640 and I'm like, dude, come on, man, you know what 1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:57.000 I mean. And so he'll be there, y'all that challenge. Yeah, 1:28:57.040 --> 1:28:59.439 and he'd do it in the day, straight down and 1:28:59.479 --> 1:29:03.120 he'll buy six seven o'clock, will stop. And that's how 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:06.040 we work every day. It was never a late night nothing. 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:08.880 By seven o'clock. We would probably go, you know, I'm 1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:10.640 gonna meet him at the bar by eight or so. 1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:12.519 By nineties like okay, I'm going to bed, you know 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:15.280 what I mean. That's always you well, have like a 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:16.720 glass of wine or something like that. 1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:18.200 How did you get your name. 1:29:23.760 --> 1:29:25.960 Because you can't related. 1:29:26.680 --> 1:29:28.560 Your curl pattern is undefined. 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:31.000 Let me tell you, let me tell you something I was. 1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:34.719 I was skinny and I had a lot of hair, 1:29:34.800 --> 1:29:38.200 and they call me shaggy dog, shaggy dog. And then 1:29:38.240 --> 1:29:41.720 I was in England even like yeah, and then I 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:45.879 went to England and found out that Shagman something else. Yeah. Yeah. 1:29:47.840 --> 1:29:49.920 I was like like that ship cool. 1:29:55.240 --> 1:29:58.719 You that was the whole world. 1:29:58.840 --> 1:30:01.519 Like I'm like, I'm like, oh, ship, that's that's what 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:03.759 it means. Almost the love of love. 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:12.840 Shot a mirror. If this the wise sag, he not. 1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:14.240 He's not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 1:30:14.320 --> 1:30:15.639 We need the Rock roll Hall of Fame. 1:30:15.760 --> 1:30:18.800 We need the Kennedy Center Honors. 1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:22.840 Treasure was a treasure. 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:28.679 So BOMBASTI I mean, just tell us about how your 1:30:28.720 --> 1:30:32.160 life changes when you have a huge record. 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:36.320 I signed I did on Carolina. It became number one 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:39.800 in the British chart. It was massive, like and it 1:30:39.920 --> 1:30:42.960 was number one and almost so and Kim Berry signed me, 1:30:43.000 --> 1:30:46.920 who was the co founder of Virgin. Kim Berry had 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:50.400 signed that record and I was in the bidding world 1:30:50.479 --> 1:30:53.920 with Chris Blackwell and Kim Berry. Now I wanted to 1:30:53.960 --> 1:30:56.160 go with Island Records because that's where all my reggae 1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:59.479 eros were right and and and Susan Newman who was 1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:03.120 Chris black was right hand and me got really really friendly. 1:31:03.160 --> 1:31:06.400 She really loved me. She picked me from the airport. 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:07.800 She would rock with me all the time. So I 1:31:07.840 --> 1:31:09.439 really wanted to be on that label. I was friend 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:13.200 with Apache Indian at that time. Him and I used 1:31:13.200 --> 1:31:15.360 to hang out in London and he was on that label. 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:17.360 So I really wanted to be on that label. And 1:31:17.400 --> 1:31:21.360 I was driving to go sign a deal memo and 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:24.360 my manager got a call from Ken Barry offering me 1:31:24.400 --> 1:31:27.160 a million pounds at that time in nineteen ninety three, 1:31:27.160 --> 1:31:30.120 which is on Earth, and I think Chris Blackwell was 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:31.800 offering me something like one hundred and fifty to two 1:31:31.840 --> 1:31:36.240 hundred thousand pounds bullshit money. And I went there. I 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:39.639 was like, okay, can you match it? And Chris was like, well, 1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:41.120 you know, it's a little bit too rich for me, 1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:43.680 you know, I mean, I've never paid that much for 1:31:43.680 --> 1:31:46.679 reguy artists. I'm not about to know he paid four 1:31:46.680 --> 1:31:50.519 thousand dollars for the mark for the Morrow even finished up. 1:31:51.400 --> 1:31:56.519 So I'm just I'm just letting you know. So, So 1:31:56.560 --> 1:31:58.400 I went with Ken Burry because he gave me a 1:31:58.400 --> 1:32:02.280 bit of offer, and then when it happened, Old Carolina happened. 1:32:03.000 --> 1:32:06.680 You know, I did Boombastic, And when I did Boombastic, 1:32:07.680 --> 1:32:10.639 it came out and debuted at number one. The first 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:13.640 day was out and it was the first time in 1:32:13.960 --> 1:32:16.880 reggae or dance all history that any reggae dance or 1:32:16.920 --> 1:32:19.639 record would debut on the British chart at number one. 1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:22.120 And ken Berry called me and he says, Shaggy, congratulations, 1:32:22.160 --> 1:32:24.840 you're number one. I'm like, what's number one? The song? 1:32:24.880 --> 1:32:26.120 I said, we just put it out. He says, yes 1:32:26.160 --> 1:32:28.760 to debuted at number one. He says, wow, he says, 1:32:28.800 --> 1:32:30.640 and then he says, I wonder what Chris would be 1:32:30.680 --> 1:32:35.040 thinking now. And I said, and I said, I said, well, 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:37.280 you know, Chris, you know he said, he you know, 1:32:37.360 --> 1:32:39.960 he couldn't. It's reggae. It was going to make that 1:32:40.040 --> 1:32:42.240 much funny, he says, funny should say that I made 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:44.760 my million back on Old Carolina. It was top five 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:47.320 in every country. This is just this is just the 1:32:47.439 --> 1:32:51.639 book debuted at number one and it was the first 1:32:51.680 --> 1:32:54.559 time in the history. And the crazy part about it. 1:32:54.600 --> 1:32:56.160 When I was doing that record, I was in a 1:32:56.200 --> 1:32:59.519 car drive in to the h CNF studio in Long 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:02.680 Island and I had the track on. I had the 1:33:02.720 --> 1:33:05.439 track on a cassette and it was cassette back in 1:33:05.479 --> 1:33:09.200 the days, and I'm playing it and all I could 1:33:09.280 --> 1:33:11.599 do all like all like the only vibe the record, 1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:15.240 the song gave, the beat gave me was just moaning. 1:33:15.360 --> 1:33:17.920 I just kept moaning on the record. I moaned the 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:24.040 whole drive. I just whoa roa mm hmm loveall loveall 1:33:25.479 --> 1:33:29.519 ro roa. And so when I got to the studio 1:33:29.920 --> 1:33:32.599 and Sting International put it up on on on the tape, 1:33:32.880 --> 1:33:34.120 you know, I just went around there. 1:33:34.120 --> 1:33:47.880 I just started moaning. Fun fustic Ron still looked at 1:33:47.880 --> 1:33:50.439 me and said, yo, motherfuck. He got for some lyrics 1:33:50.439 --> 1:33:50.920 and that ship. 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:53.240 I like what you're saying, but you and it's a 1:33:53.360 --> 1:33:59.799 smooth just like saw fun like talking. And those records 1:33:59.800 --> 1:34:02.080 were all freestyle. I never wrote those records. I just 1:34:02.760 --> 1:34:05.360 it was started from moaning, wait what. 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:11.599 Wait, the irony, the irony of you telling the story. 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:17.400 Because even in the story of Let's get it on. 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:21.200 Yeah, and this is real, because. 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:26.200 The version of Let's get it On that we know 1:34:27.680 --> 1:34:32.200 was a freestyle because basically the moment he saw Jan 1:34:32.320 --> 1:34:33.720 Hunter walk in the room. 1:34:34.280 --> 1:34:36.400 He was showing off and he freestyled. 1:34:38.240 --> 1:34:40.680 Yeah, the original Let's get It On. It was like 1:34:40.680 --> 1:34:41.679 a political song. 1:34:41.760 --> 1:34:44.160 It was like like let's let's get organized, let's get 1:34:44.160 --> 1:34:45.240 it on, right. 1:34:45.760 --> 1:34:49.320 Yeah, but crazy part. Crazy part I did those moaning 1:34:49.680 --> 1:34:52.840 not on the on because the Marvin Gaye version that 1:34:52.920 --> 1:34:55.519 you know of Let's Get It On that is on 1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:59.719 Bombastic was a remix. Oh, so that there's an original 1:34:59.800 --> 1:35:02.719 rich the original, which was big in every other country 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:03.839 except the United States. 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:05.160 I should know this. 1:35:06.800 --> 1:35:10.720 The Marvin Gaye version that you know happens to be 1:35:11.320 --> 1:35:16.400 only in North in America. That's it. In every country 1:35:16.400 --> 1:35:19.519 in the world. The original is the hip record. 1:35:19.760 --> 1:35:23.240 So when you perform it, you do which version depending 1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:24.080 on what America. 1:35:24.840 --> 1:35:29.280 Yes, in America, I use the Marvin gay Everywhere else 1:35:29.320 --> 1:35:31.840 in the country I go to the original reggae version, 1:35:32.000 --> 1:35:34.320 which is massive. Yeah. Wow. 1:35:34.479 --> 1:35:37.320 Well wait, since you told that story, then I need 1:35:37.320 --> 1:35:41.920 to know. Did you ever find out what Virgin thought 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:45.360 once you went to to m c A with it. 1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:49.240 It wasn't me because I'm almost certain that they said like, okay, 1:35:49.320 --> 1:35:50.320 well we have one hit. 1:35:51.040 --> 1:35:54.320 So ken Berry, who is of course the head of 1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:58.120 Virgin ended up moving on. There's the craziest thing. After that, 1:35:58.800 --> 1:36:01.000 I got that record. I ended up doing Maxi Priest's 1:36:01.080 --> 1:36:03.080 album at that time, and we did that Girl, which 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:07.400 was also a top five record, right and then and 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:10.559 then I put another record out and and it came 1:36:10.640 --> 1:36:13.439 up the same day Princess Diana died, and they just 1:36:13.439 --> 1:36:16.040 stopped playing records. They just played Candle in the Wind 1:36:16.120 --> 1:36:16.960 on every radio station. 1:36:17.600 --> 1:36:20.400 You're right, You're right, and. 1:36:19.640 --> 1:36:24.040 And and so and so my record tanked and my 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:27.360 album tanked. And there's a guy that was the head 1:36:27.400 --> 1:36:29.680 of the record company, Ken Barryott now moved on to 1:36:29.840 --> 1:36:32.519 running you know, because he had success with Me and 1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:35.240 Letty Kravitz and Janets, so he was a big wig now. 1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:39.680 So they ended up running EMI, the Holy Emi, And 1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:42.839 there was a guy called Paul Conroy who became the president, 1:36:42.920 --> 1:36:44.640 and he just did not know what the fuck to 1:36:44.680 --> 1:36:47.439 do with me. It's like his dance Alid and so 1:36:47.479 --> 1:36:51.040 they dropped me, and they dropped me and Maxie and 1:36:51.080 --> 1:36:54.200 signed the next dance all Sensation at the time, which 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:54.640 was being the. 1:36:54.680 --> 1:37:00.719 Man Wow OK, and same money. 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:04.400 They dropped me, they signed Beanie Man and they were 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:06.040 trying to get it's out of it and out of 1:37:06.640 --> 1:37:08.639 sitting there trying to did the Maya record. A couple 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:12.320 of those records was going Patrick Moxey who was the 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:17.519 father of He was at Payday. He ended up being 1:37:17.840 --> 1:37:20.320 the head of the head of A and R at 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:23.880 that time and running Virgin that at that time and 1:37:23.920 --> 1:37:25.760 the whole Janet thing and he put Beanie Man with 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:29.080 Janet Jackson all that ship. So it was so crazy 1:37:29.080 --> 1:37:32.240 about that is in the time that was going on, 1:37:32.360 --> 1:37:36.280 jam and Lewis decided to do a project for How 1:37:36.400 --> 1:37:41.800 Stella Got her Groove back. Yeah, they did the soundtrack 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:46.360 and so I talked about that all right. Here the 1:37:46.400 --> 1:37:50.719 crazy part now Terry McMillan, who actually the story was about, 1:37:50.720 --> 1:37:53.719 who was the writer and she she did the story 1:37:53.880 --> 1:37:58.559 autobiography about herself and her courting of this guy and 1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:02.400 her He told Terry Lewis that you got to get 1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:06.639 Shaggy on that soundtrack because me and my man used 1:38:06.640 --> 1:38:13.880 to fuck to that boombastic record and Jamaica. That is 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:18.479 true fucking story. And that's how Terry Lewis came to 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:21.880 New York, found me and say Shaggy, I want to 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:24.599 play a track. And the track had oh boy, I 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:27.719 love you so and I just start when he started playing, 1:38:27.760 --> 1:38:29.400 I was like, I hold him on a load to 1:38:29.439 --> 1:38:31.920 make him oist and wet old him manoload to make 1:38:32.000 --> 1:38:35.479 him own and sweat sweet suckle into five clean now. 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:38.640 And he's like, oh shit, oh ship, And I'm just 1:38:38.760 --> 1:38:42.840 in awe because I'm in Jimmy jamming. Terry fucking Lewis like, 1:38:43.439 --> 1:38:46.240 what the fuck. Then Terry is like, oh man, you ship, 1:38:46.520 --> 1:38:49.840 ship ship, oh ship. He called Jimmy because Jimmy was there. 1:38:49.840 --> 1:38:51.400 He called Jimmy's so, oh man, you need to hit 1:38:51.479 --> 1:38:54.519 this ship. This fucking ship, he was like. And then 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:56.559 he started playing a bunch of records and it got 1:38:56.600 --> 1:38:59.240 like Mary J. Blige and Casey and Georgia and Boys 1:38:59.280 --> 1:39:01.559 to Bend and fucking Prince and all that. I was like, 1:39:01.560 --> 1:39:03.400 oh ship, my record ain't gonna make it. Fuck that'sh it. 1:39:04.760 --> 1:39:07.040 And just so it happened, they ended up putting the 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:10.240 soundtrack out because at that time, when the movie came out, 1:39:10.240 --> 1:39:12.360 you put the soundtrack out without a saying, and you 1:39:12.439 --> 1:39:15.040 put the soundtrack out and radio just out of just 1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:17.840 started playing the track with me in Janet, but we 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:20.600 didn't have single rights that song, so he couldn't be 1:39:20.640 --> 1:39:25.400 a side, couldn't. So we ended up shooting a video. 1:39:25.479 --> 1:39:28.000 Eventually the record stop blowing up and I was just 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:31.080 going from station to station working it, and then we 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:33.639 ended up doing a video. But when I did a video, 1:39:33.800 --> 1:39:36.400 now if you look at the video online, you'll see 1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:39.719 that Angela Bassett and Whoopee Goldberg's or who was singing 1:39:39.720 --> 1:39:43.880 the hook. Janet wasn't in it, yeah, because we couldn't 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:46.960 get her. We couldn't get it. They wouldn't And I 1:39:47.000 --> 1:39:49.519 was a little reggae guy. She was a major, major 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:52.880 pop stars. They were in virgin Patrick Moxley wasn't going 1:39:52.960 --> 1:39:54.280 to get it give her to me either at that 1:39:54.320 --> 1:39:58.439 point because he had just dropped me. They drop and 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:01.439 Cige Beanie. Now I catched this fucking record and it 1:40:01.520 --> 1:40:03.960 was like, I ain't giving you Janet that you meet 1:40:03.960 --> 1:40:07.080 me look, and then doing a join. 1:40:07.040 --> 1:40:10.240 With Janet with the Neptunes exactly, which that sold a 1:40:10.240 --> 1:40:15.639 little bit of them, so I don't right, I mean, 1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:18.000 And then and and the Neptunes did that. 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:20.679 Ship and they spent two million on video and old 1:40:20.680 --> 1:40:23.360 Ship and My Ship became number one. And then right 1:40:23.400 --> 1:40:26.080 after that, the next record that really popped up for me. 1:40:26.320 --> 1:40:28.200 Was was it wasn't me? 1:40:28.280 --> 1:40:29.800 And then I was off, Yeah it was off? 1:40:31.479 --> 1:40:33.800 Was that another kind of like freestyles? It wasn't me? 1:40:33.840 --> 1:40:34.360 It was that? 1:40:34.439 --> 1:40:35.000 What was that? 1:40:35.200 --> 1:40:37.760 It wasn't me? It wasn't me. I got from I 1:40:37.840 --> 1:40:41.400 was watching Yeah, Eddie Murphy, I was watching Raw. 1:40:42.280 --> 1:40:43.040 Yeah, yeah, it wasn't me. 1:40:43.280 --> 1:40:45.960 Yeah yeah. And I saw that and I was was like, yo, 1:40:46.000 --> 1:40:49.200 that's the song. And I just we just cultivated from Raw. 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:53.320 I saw Eddie and and Bahamas a total man because 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:54.720 we were we were back there. I was like, you know, 1:40:54.800 --> 1:40:56.400 you know, I took that whole ship from it. And 1:40:56.439 --> 1:40:58.000 he said, so, motherfucker, you owe me wrong. 1:40:58.320 --> 1:40:58.920 I knew he was. 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:05.479 At this point, Shaggy, I know the answer to you 1:41:05.520 --> 1:41:07.880 feeling like you're getting your flowers from America, I feel 1:41:07.880 --> 1:41:10.320 like you, I don't know if I'm assuming that that's 1:41:10.360 --> 1:41:12.720 like not as much, but I wanted to know how 1:41:12.760 --> 1:41:15.080 do you feel about getting your flowers from the folks 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:17.479 at Jamaica, Like do you feel at this point that 1:41:17.560 --> 1:41:20.040 they are you respected as a legend that you are? 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:22.760 And it felt like that while you do because if 1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:24.360 you doing a Spice record, I felt like that was 1:41:24.360 --> 1:41:27.160 a beautiful kind of wrap around like they respect you, 1:41:27.160 --> 1:41:29.120 you respect them, or or is that just. 1:41:29.040 --> 1:41:32.360 As It's been a journey. It's been a journey from 1:41:32.439 --> 1:41:37.120 me being starting at dancehall, then becoming pop and then 1:41:37.240 --> 1:41:41.320 not having no respect at home to me doing a 1:41:41.360 --> 1:41:46.360 song called church I literally got off gifting to do 1:41:46.439 --> 1:41:48.599 dance All if you if you remember quest the record 1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:52.360 called some of Them, some of them with with Olivier, 1:41:52.680 --> 1:41:55.879 with Olivia I ended I ended up doing that record 1:41:56.320 --> 1:41:58.360 even though the record company didn't want me to do 1:41:58.400 --> 1:42:00.800 that record, because I wanted to do dance you know 1:42:00.800 --> 1:42:02.720 what I'm saying, And I knew that I had to 1:42:02.760 --> 1:42:04.920 get back into dance All to get the street back. 1:42:05.320 --> 1:42:07.439 And then right after that, when it put it out, 1:42:07.560 --> 1:42:09.360 it didn't do very well because they didn't know what 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:12.120 to do with it, and then they dropped me. And right 1:42:12.160 --> 1:42:15.320 after they dropped me, I wrote Church Eden, which was 1:42:15.360 --> 1:42:18.680 a massive nineteen weeks number one in the dance hall, 1:42:19.080 --> 1:42:22.799 and then just overnight everybody in the streets started fucking 1:42:22.840 --> 1:42:26.759 with me, and then the prime minister at the time, 1:42:27.439 --> 1:42:30.040 Portia Simpson, was a woman. She was the first woman 1:42:30.160 --> 1:42:34.880 running for prime minister, and she ended up using strength 1:42:34.920 --> 1:42:37.519 of a Woman as her theme song, and every little 1:42:37.520 --> 1:42:40.160 ghetto kid was singing that shit, and that became massive. 1:42:40.240 --> 1:42:43.000 And then I ended up doing my charity concert, which 1:42:43.080 --> 1:42:45.120 was Shaggy and Friends, where I raised money for the 1:42:45.120 --> 1:42:49.360 Bustamande Hospital for Children, you know, and I had everybody 1:42:49.360 --> 1:42:52.759 from Lauren Hill to fucking voice them into everybody. Sting 1:42:52.920 --> 1:42:55.519 was the last person that did it, and I'd done that, 1:42:55.560 --> 1:42:58.280 so it became a respectful thing after a while where 1:42:58.320 --> 1:43:00.640 people be like, Okay, just do is the true to 1:43:00.920 --> 1:43:02.320 I'm fucking with him? You know what I mean? And 1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:05.639 that became that, and so it became that, and I 1:43:05.680 --> 1:43:08.240 had the respect of Jamaica, but I didn't have the 1:43:08.280 --> 1:43:12.200 respect of the industry. The industry was still like, Okay, 1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:19.240 this guy isn't authentic. And that came in part with 1:43:19.760 --> 1:43:23.400 Sting saying, you know, this guy is a genius or 1:43:23.600 --> 1:43:26.880 as he would put it on interviews, which blew my 1:43:27.000 --> 1:43:30.639 mind because I think of him as like a musical 1:43:30.800 --> 1:43:34.360 genius god. But he would have these conversations like I've 1:43:34.360 --> 1:43:36.960 never seen anybody write songs as fast as this guy 1:43:37.439 --> 1:43:39.880 and does it and he doesn't play an instrument, and 1:43:40.000 --> 1:43:43.040 it's always and it always freaked him out. He always says, 1:43:43.080 --> 1:43:47.000 I don't understand how you're so melodic and don't play 1:43:47.040 --> 1:43:48.800 you know, it's just it's all in your head. And 1:43:49.040 --> 1:43:51.519 I'll sit around a mic and freestyle. Could we come 1:43:51.520 --> 1:43:54.240 from that? And I'm spitting these melodies and shit like that, 1:43:54.280 --> 1:43:56.759 and we go down the right learryside and be like okay. 1:43:56.960 --> 1:44:00.080 So he would get that, So he validated me on 1:44:00.160 --> 1:44:05.719 that level. This true validation comes now from the Spice record, 1:44:06.160 --> 1:44:09.400 which I wrote, you know uh and got was a 1:44:09.439 --> 1:44:12.799 shaggy record first, and I literally took it and flipped 1:44:12.840 --> 1:44:15.320 it to the Spice and then we put Sean Ball 1:44:15.400 --> 1:44:18.880 on it, and that became not just a massive record 1:44:19.120 --> 1:44:21.200 on the global side of things, but it's all on 1:44:21.320 --> 1:44:24.640 a big TikTok record, but it was the streets and 1:44:25.800 --> 1:44:27.920 it was produced by me. It was good. And then 1:44:28.360 --> 1:44:30.320 and then there were other things too, like for instance, 1:44:30.840 --> 1:44:35.960 Cartel did slow Motion, which was a record was one 1:44:35.960 --> 1:44:38.320 of his first big records, which which I produced and 1:44:38.320 --> 1:44:40.880 put on my leg you know what I'm saying, and 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:42.560 and and and you know, because I went there and 1:44:42.560 --> 1:44:44.680 took his voice and everything and got it, got it done. 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:47.599 And there's so many other reggae records, dance, all records 1:44:47.640 --> 1:44:50.519 that I've done that were big that people didn't know 1:44:50.600 --> 1:44:53.160 I wrote, but I wrote you know what I mean, 1:44:53.240 --> 1:44:56.120 I'm talking hardcore ship like cheek. 1:44:55.840 --> 1:44:59.000 A Gallic you don't care remember me see and our 1:44:59.160 --> 1:45:01.280 air probably amount of money. 1:45:01.040 --> 1:45:04.639 That all of these Shiit maxipriests whatever your eyes can see. 1:45:04.680 --> 1:45:07.920 All of these records were records that were street records 1:45:07.920 --> 1:45:12.120 that I either wrote or produced. And then so after 1:45:12.120 --> 1:45:14.519 a while people just started to be like, Okay, yeah, 1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:15.720 we're fucking with him. 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:22.200 Well that was actually my question, like, is so thank you? 1:45:22.400 --> 1:45:25.400 Is there anything that you have yet to achieve? Like 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:29.760 because I know, like you know, over tievers might necessarily 1:45:30.040 --> 1:45:32.960 feel like there's one more itch. 1:45:32.840 --> 1:45:34.800 They got to scratch and that sort of thing. 1:45:34.840 --> 1:45:37.680 And I know that even for us, like we've had 1:45:37.720 --> 1:45:41.080 that same journey where you know, our audience who does 1:45:41.120 --> 1:45:44.479 not look like us, embraces this ship out of us, 1:45:44.520 --> 1:45:48.640 and you know, but we longed for our hometown, our 1:45:49.080 --> 1:45:51.760 peoples to really embrace us, which I feel like, you know, 1:45:51.800 --> 1:45:54.280 with this next project we're doing, we're going to get 1:45:54.280 --> 1:45:54.759 that moment. 1:45:54.800 --> 1:45:57.480 But yeah, no, you answer the question. 1:45:57.360 --> 1:45:59.360 To me, would you? And I'm just going to get 1:45:59.400 --> 1:46:02.960 this for you. When I remember sitting with your band 1:46:02.960 --> 1:46:04.160 and I was, you know, I was talking I think 1:46:04.200 --> 1:46:05.439 it was your trumpet player or something. 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:10.720 I was talking to it and we're talking about just 1:46:10.760 --> 1:46:16.320 how this gig, the late night game affected your whole ship. 1:46:16.400 --> 1:46:18.200 And he was like, Hey, it's a different thing. You know. 1:46:18.240 --> 1:46:21.480 We got we got dental and medical. 1:46:24.640 --> 1:46:26.120 I got the best teeth in the business, bro. 1:46:26.960 --> 1:46:31.200 And it dawned on me at that point. I was like, Wow, Yeah, 1:46:31.280 --> 1:46:34.400 that's that's some real ship you could and and what 1:46:34.439 --> 1:46:37.519 you have done with the platform. You know, even when 1:46:37.880 --> 1:46:39.680 I was so I think I saw you and just 1:46:39.800 --> 1:46:42.559 was telling you how genuinely happy I was to see 1:46:42.560 --> 1:46:46.559 you when the night even though it was really crowded 1:46:46.560 --> 1:46:50.639 with that bullshit that happened. But you know, but you 1:46:50.880 --> 1:46:53.439 I was just really because I kind of know your journey, 1:46:53.960 --> 1:46:56.320 you know, you know, and and and I know even 1:46:56.360 --> 1:46:58.439 some of it even to Scott, because when I was 1:46:58.479 --> 1:47:01.160 in Miami with Scott and just kind of see how 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:03.840 the whole ship go and just know your journey being 1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:06.640 on an MCA, and just to see what you have 1:47:06.800 --> 1:47:10.439 done with the platform, you know what I mean, it 1:47:10.520 --> 1:47:13.040 is it is just commendable and I just want to 1:47:13.080 --> 1:47:15.200 take that time out to say thank you brother. You 1:47:15.240 --> 1:47:17.040 know what I mean. I appreciate it has not gone 1:47:17.240 --> 1:47:18.280 on unnoticed. 1:47:19.200 --> 1:47:23.200 Thank you, man, dude, this is this has been amazing. 1:47:23.240 --> 1:47:27.400 I'm not blowing smoking whatever like and I'm not even 1:47:27.439 --> 1:47:30.639 trying trying to kick it like oh well, I little expectation. No, 1:47:30.920 --> 1:47:34.160 but man, like you, I need to. I gotta tell 1:47:34.200 --> 1:47:40.519 the world like you are. You're a historian, like right now, 1:47:40.720 --> 1:47:45.080 history and misinformation is like for me, that's like almost 1:47:45.200 --> 1:47:48.920 job one, like uncovering history, making sure that you know, 1:47:49.040 --> 1:47:50.520 we we know our culture. 1:47:50.200 --> 1:47:53.600 And that findings findings exactly. 1:47:53.720 --> 1:47:56.720 So this this is a very important episode of course. 1:47:56.800 --> 1:47:58.680 Love Suprema. I thank you for doing this for us. 1:47:58.720 --> 1:48:00.880 Man, thank you, thank you, and I appreciate it. 1:48:01.320 --> 1:48:04.960 I want to be having sugar, Steve ye unpaid Bill. 1:48:05.439 --> 1:48:09.559 It's quest Love, Quest Love Supreme. Another classic, under the Bus, 1:48:09.640 --> 1:48:11.479 under the Hood and the Notch. I don't know, like 1:48:11.520 --> 1:48:14.519 the proper clue. What should I say, Steve, I don't know. 1:48:16.640 --> 1:48:16.840 You know. 1:48:17.080 --> 1:48:18.400 Shaggy is a Christmas album. 1:48:18.520 --> 1:48:22.040 Merry Christmas, Shaggy. 1:48:22.320 --> 1:48:26.200 Yeah, It's a Christmas album of dancer because when we 1:48:26.200 --> 1:48:29.439 were young, all week. All we got at Christmas was 1:48:29.439 --> 1:48:33.760 that Bing Crosby the record Christmas record, and my grandmother 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:36.760 killed me with that ship. It was like, I'm like, 1:48:37.040 --> 1:48:40.240 and ain't nothing Bing Crosby is singing. Ain't nothing was 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:44.320 looking like because I'm in Jamaica, there's no no you 1:48:44.360 --> 1:48:47.320 know what I mean, There's no there's no Santa Claus 1:48:47.320 --> 1:48:50.000 in the chimney, there's no none of that. It don't 1:48:50.000 --> 1:48:52.920 look like my Christmas. So I wanted to do an 1:48:53.320 --> 1:48:59.000 album that looked like how my Christmas Christmas, which was 1:48:59.080 --> 1:49:00.960 ragging them up in christ with some Christmas in the 1:49:01.000 --> 1:49:03.600 Islands and those songs that's on that record. And I 1:49:03.760 --> 1:49:08.360 got from Neil to to Ding Dong to Julia Reid 1:49:08.880 --> 1:49:13.439 to Bounty Killer, everybody on singing Bounty Killer beating him 1:49:13.439 --> 1:49:16.280 at everybody shouldn't see. All of them is on this 1:49:16.400 --> 1:49:21.519 record singing or versions of our dance off Christmas records, 1:49:21.600 --> 1:49:25.759 Christmas songs. You know, I mean, it ain't Mariah carry ship, 1:49:25.800 --> 1:49:26.320 but you know. 1:49:30.040 --> 1:49:35.680 It we can smoke to it. 1:49:36.360 --> 1:49:39.400 Brother, Thank thank you, man. I appreciate you for doing 1:49:39.400 --> 1:49:40.559 this the salad and talking to. 1:49:40.560 --> 1:49:43.400 Us so much. 1:49:43.439 --> 1:49:43.639 Man. 1:49:44.080 --> 1:49:45.800 All right, all right, well we'll see all the next 1:49:45.800 --> 1:49:54.000 go around, of course, Love Supreme Brother Shaggy. 1:50:02.840 --> 1:50:11.000 What above Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more 1:50:11.040 --> 1:50:15.519 podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 1:50:15.560 --> 1:50:17.160 wherever you listen to your favorite shows.