Speaker 1: Episode four thirty seven, Kick burnout to the current to
Speaker 1: make better spending decisions with Jess Massey.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast, where you'll learn to
Speaker 2: save money, embrace simplicity, and liver your life. Here your
Speaker 2: hosts Jen and Jill.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Frugal Friends Podcast. My name is Jen,
Speaker 1: my name is Jill, and today we are so excited
Speaker 1: to cover this topic that is a little peripheral to finances,
Speaker 1: but directly affects how we make financial decisions, and that's burnout.
Speaker 1: And even if you don't feel burnt out or don't
Speaker 1: think you're burnt out, you're going to want to have
Speaker 1: this episode in your back pocket because it's inevitable. In
Speaker 1: the way we function as humans in a Western everything
Speaker 1: seems to lead to burnout. Before we change things.
Speaker 3: I think we will automatically start to hear some very
Speaker 3: apparent overlap and congruence between the way that we talk
Speaker 3: about finances to the way that Jess talks about burnout
Speaker 3: and fatigue. And we know we love to talk about
Speaker 3: how we are whole people, so we hope that this
Speaker 3: just helps to deeper embed some of the principles that
Speaker 3: we think will be helpful for longevity in making just
Speaker 3: better decisions and of course spending decisions.
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Speaker 1: all right, so Burnout, we wanted to bring on our
Speaker 1: friend Jess Massey. She's the host of the Hustle Saneley
Speaker 1: podcast and as people who don't love hustle culture, we
Speaker 1: really love how Chess's definition of hustle and like hustlingsanely.
Speaker 1: She's she's a productivity coach that doesn't translate productivity to
Speaker 1: getting more done, but really focusing on what matters most
Speaker 1: and getting those things done, and so we just love
Speaker 1: how she coaches women to prioritize mental health and relationships
Speaker 1: to live peacefully productive lives. And if you've listened to
Speaker 1: Frugal Friends, you know that that's kind of like our
Speaker 1: whole thing. We prioritize mental health and relationships so that
Speaker 1: our financial lives can feel full.
Speaker 4: Sounds like the radical middle, I mean.
Speaker 1: Does gosh. I loved this interview so much, and I
Speaker 1: know you will too, so let's get into it. Jess,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast. We're so excited to
Speaker 1: have you you to talk about burnout, which is such
Speaker 1: an important topic. It seems random or maybe peripheral at
Speaker 1: best to have on a personal finance show, but really
Speaker 1: excited for how you're going to tie it in. And
Speaker 1: I think everyone's going to find it very useful and refreshing.
Speaker 5: I am so excited to be here. I thank you
Speaker 5: guys for having me on. And I do think that
Speaker 5: people are going to find it refreshing because I think
Speaker 5: that my take on burnout it's a little bit different than.
Speaker 6: What you'll see if you like google like what is burnout?
Speaker 6: Or you know what I mean. So I'm excited to
Speaker 6: dig into it.
Speaker 4: Yay, thanks for coming on. We know that we are
Speaker 4: whole people.
Speaker 3: We talk about this a lot on the podcast, and
Speaker 3: so how we are feeling emotionally, relationally, physically is going
Speaker 3: to impact the financial decisions we make. So I think
Speaker 3: it's very relevant that you're here talking about this. But
Speaker 3: to kick us off, let's lay the foundation. Can you
Speaker 3: talk to us about how you would define burnout and
Speaker 3: how we might recognize this and ourselves. Where are the
Speaker 3: sign symptoms? What do we need to know about it?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Absolutely so.
Speaker 5: To me, when I think of burnout, I think a
Speaker 5: lot of people. When you hear burnout, your mind goes
Speaker 5: to your to do list, right you think like, oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, I have too much to do. When I
Speaker 5: think of burnout, I think more along the lines. It's
Speaker 5: an overarching feeling of being spread too thin, or like
Speaker 5: you're running on fumes, right, Like, no matter what you do,
Speaker 5: you just feel behind every day, Like you start the
Speaker 5: day you open your eyes, when your alarm goes off,
Speaker 5: or when your kid is screaming in your ear, or
Speaker 5: however you wake up in the morning and you're just like,
Speaker 5: I'm already overwhelmed. Like, I'm already like running on e
Speaker 5: and I just woke up from sleeping. To me, burnout,
Speaker 5: it's at its core, it's essentially a disconnect between your
Speaker 5: values and your priorities and how you're spending your time
Speaker 5: and energy, in other words, what's important to you. It's
Speaker 5: getting the crumbs of you, And I feel like that
Speaker 5: is just such a monumental mindset shift when it comes
Speaker 5: to burnout, more so focusing on the things that matter
Speaker 5: to you, not getting your best attention, rather than kind
Speaker 5: of being overwhelmed by your to do list and thinking
Speaker 5: that that is the cause of burnout. So that's kind
Speaker 5: of how I view burnout. And I feel like when
Speaker 5: you have a mindset shift and you kind of view
Speaker 5: it in that way, it helps you tackle burnout in
Speaker 5: a way that actually gets to the root of the
Speaker 5: burnout and not just band aid fixes.
Speaker 6: If that makes sense. Does that make sense you guys
Speaker 6: tracking with me with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I'm already seeing the parallels with money.
Speaker 1: I'm already tired when I wake up, I am tired.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, You're like, I'm there, I'm that person. And then
Speaker 5: you ask for some signs and symptoms. Obviously there are men,
Speaker 5: it's going to look different in every single person, And honestly,
Speaker 5: I think it's going to look different in every single
Speaker 5: person's different seasons of life. So like the way that
Speaker 5: I've been burnt out as an entrepreneur looks very different
Speaker 5: than the way that I was burnt out when I
Speaker 5: was a new mom, Right, So I think it's important
Speaker 5: to keep in mind that you're not going to check
Speaker 5: all these boxes.
Speaker 6: Hopefully not.
Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe somebody is super burnout and they're
Speaker 5: just like, yeah, that's me, all of them. But just
Speaker 5: keep in mind that as your seasons change, like it's
Speaker 5: going to ebb and flow. But I when I think
Speaker 5: of the signs and symptoms for burnout, I kind of
Speaker 5: break it up into three categories emotional, physical, and behavioral.
Speaker 5: And so emotionally, you're going to feel probably overwhelmed, unmotivated, drained,
Speaker 5: kind of cynical, like negative toward most, if not all things.
Speaker 5: You're going to feel incapable, and you're a big, big,
Speaker 5: big one that I hear from a lot of people
Speaker 5: that I work with is feeling detached from your sense
Speaker 5: of purpose, so kind of like you're just going through
Speaker 5: the motions. You feel like you're not really like feet
Speaker 5: on the ground living your life, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5: And I feel like when you are kind of in
Speaker 5: that place of burnout, most of your thoughts are based
Speaker 5: in self doubt, defeat, and failure. So kind of paying
Speaker 5: attention to that internal dialogue seeing what it sounds like.
Speaker 5: And then, at least for me, things that I've experienced
Speaker 5: that I've burnt out, mood swings and irritability also tend
Speaker 5: to tie into that emotional piece. And then for physical
Speaker 5: like I said, this is going to look different for
Speaker 5: literally everyone, but some common ones just feeling exhausted and
Speaker 5: tired most of the time, no matter how much sleep
Speaker 5: or how much rest you're getting. And then another big
Speaker 5: one is insomnia, so like waking up in the middle
Speaker 5: of the night or even just having difficulty falling asleep
Speaker 5: or staying asleep in general, just like your sleep patterns,
Speaker 5: I feel like are very tied back to burnout. And
Speaker 5: then as far as behavioral signs, this one hits home
Speaker 5: for me, and I feel like it might hit home
Speaker 5: for a lot of other people listening too. You want
Speaker 5: to withdraw from things that you normally enjoy doing, so
Speaker 5: things that normally you're looking forward to you're just kind
Speaker 5: of like, hmm, I'm good. So you're wanting to isolate yourself,
Speaker 5: you might find yourself procrastinating or taking a lot longer
Speaker 5: to do things than they normally take you, like you
Speaker 5: kind of have to hype yourself up to do the
Speaker 5: day to day things that normally are just like oh, like,
Speaker 5: this isn't a big deal.
Speaker 6: They's just what I do.
Speaker 5: So I feel like those are kind of the main
Speaker 5: red flags that I'm looking for when I'm trying to
Speaker 5: figure out if I'm in a state of burnout or
Speaker 5: if someone that I'm working with is in a state
Speaker 5: of burnout.
Speaker 3: This is a super helpful summary and already feels like
Speaker 3: vulnerability round. This is just vulnerability episode. I have definitely
Speaker 3: experienced burnout myself. I've also counseled people through burnout, and
Speaker 3: I particularly appreciate your unique perspective. I think you are
Speaker 3: right that you've got some individualized perspectives on burnout apart
Speaker 3: from what we might read on the internet. The one
Speaker 3: thing that stands out specifically to me is kind of
Speaker 3: what you said in the beginning of this detachedness. That's
Speaker 3: a word of our values really and where our energy
Speaker 3: is going, and I think that even that perspective helps
Speaker 3: us to understand how we find ourselves in a place
Speaker 3: of burnout. But I'm curious how you came to that
Speaker 3: very profound, foundational understanding of burnout, that it's this disconnection
Speaker 3: between where we're putting the best of ourselves and what
Speaker 3: our highest values are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the true answer is personal experience. As
Speaker 5: someone who I call myself jokingly but not really jokingly,
Speaker 5: a recovering workaholic and a recovering overachiever. I'm thirty four
Speaker 5: and I would say that I was kind of in
Speaker 5: that air quotes hustle culture grind until I was like
Speaker 5: twenty eight. So I'm still fairly new getting out of
Speaker 5: it because I was in it for so long. And
Speaker 5: I feel like even when I was kind of on
Speaker 5: the other side of living that kind of hustle culture
Speaker 5: lifestyle of just go, go go all the time, do
Speaker 5: do do, and I wasn't really focused on being I
Speaker 5: would find myself even if all of the stars were aligned.
Speaker 5: If you will, like my to do list, I was
Speaker 5: getting everything done. I felt super great about, you know,
Speaker 5: how my calendar was organized. I didn't feel like I
Speaker 5: was spreading myself too thin. I would still sometimes wake
Speaker 5: up and just have that kind of you know, feel
Speaker 5: like that almost like a weight on my chest, like
Speaker 5: it felt like a physical weight, and I was just like, man,
Speaker 5: even though I'm getting all of my stuff done, I
Speaker 5: don't feel like I have too much to do necessarily,
Speaker 5: I still am just feeling that sense of detachment and
Speaker 5: I just don't feel like I'm giving my best time
Speaker 5: and energy to the things that matter most to me.
Speaker 5: And so, after that cycle happening in my own life
Speaker 5: multiple times, with the help of my therapist, we kind
Speaker 5: of talked about it, and I was just like, Hey,
Speaker 5: these are the things that I'm feeling what is going on,
Speaker 5: because it didn't even cross my mind that it was burnout.
Speaker 5: And she was like, oh, well, I can't tell you
Speaker 5: if you're burnt out, but I can tell you that
Speaker 5: the things that you're kind of listing off to me,
Speaker 5: like not being able to sleep at night, kind of
Speaker 5: feeling like I am just detached and going through the
Speaker 5: motions of everything. She's like, it kind of sounds like
Speaker 5: you could be experiencing burnout.
Speaker 6: And I was shocked.
Speaker 5: Because I was like, wait a second, Like I've worked
Speaker 5: so hard to get like my calendar organized, to get
Speaker 5: my to do list manageable.
Speaker 6: What do you mean I'm burnt out? Like that's not possible.
Speaker 5: And so that conversation with her kind of caused me
Speaker 5: to like do she would always give me like therapy homework,
Speaker 5: and so I went home and I just kind of
Speaker 5: journaled about, you know, what I consider burnout to be,
Speaker 5: and it kind of like opened that part of my
Speaker 5: mind to that I was like, wait a second, what
Speaker 5: if I've been viewing burnout kind of surface level all
Speaker 5: this time, like thinking it's a problem with my calendar,
Speaker 5: when really it's a problem with how I'm spending my time,
Speaker 5: how I'm not showing up for what matters most to me.
Speaker 5: So it was just a repeated unhealthy cycle in my
Speaker 5: own life over and over and over, is essentially what
Speaker 5: kind of brought that to life for me.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And those those three categories of signs and symptoms
Speaker 1: that you listed off, like immediately I was connecting each
Speaker 1: with how they impact our financial decisions and what we
Speaker 1: are spending financially. Can you just go through those three
Speaker 1: categories again and maybe give some examples of how they
Speaker 1: connect to some financial decisions that could not be in
Speaker 1: our best interest.
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5: I feel like emotional is the easiest one for me,
Speaker 5: maybe because it's the one that I relate to the most.
Speaker 5: We've all heard of emotional spending, right, I feel like,
Speaker 5: in my experience, burnout can lead to emotional spending because again,
Speaker 5: when you feel burned out, it can lead to like
Speaker 5: you losing interest in things that once made you happy
Speaker 5: or that you felt connected to. So if you're in
Speaker 5: that place, you might find yourself impulse buying things to
Speaker 5: try and feel that sense of happiness that you're missing
Speaker 5: or kind of like fill in that gap if you will.
Speaker 5: So I feel like that's a big one.
Speaker 6: And then I.
Speaker 5: Feel like, honestly, I almost think that emotional spending can
Speaker 5: go into like the behavioral category as well, kind of
Speaker 5: bleeds over into both and behavioral behavioral. I feel like too,
Speaker 5: when it comes to spending, it might look something like
Speaker 5: you're the way that you're showing up for your life.
Speaker 5: So like, for example, when I was living in a
Speaker 5: state of burnout, I feel like I was doing a lot,
Speaker 5: way too many coffee runs. And I feel like, as
Speaker 5: y'all know, I'm sure you've heard, like it really adds
Speaker 5: up especially. I will never forget sitting down with my
Speaker 5: husband before I had quote my big girl job, and
Speaker 5: we were kind of looking over our budget, just saying
Speaker 5: like where our money was going, and when we tallied up,
Speaker 5: you guys, I'm like getting flashbacks how much money we
Speaker 5: spent at a coffee shop in one month, I was
Speaker 5: like on the floor. And to me, that kind of
Speaker 5: goes back like I felt like, Okay, well I'm tired,
Speaker 5: I'm burnt out, so I guess I need more coffee.
Speaker 5: And so I was kind of using that as a
Speaker 5: quick fix, and that obviously impacted our budget and how
Speaker 5: I was spending my money again, just trying to do
Speaker 5: like band aid fixes to overcome the burnout instead of
Speaker 5: getting to the root of where the burnout was coming from.
Speaker 6: And as far as physical.
Speaker 5: I don't know if this would be considered impulse buying
Speaker 5: or not, but I feel like if I'm having an issue,
Speaker 5: so for me, when I was kind of in that
Speaker 5: really really hardcore state of burnout, I was waking up
Speaker 5: every single night between like two to four am, and
Speaker 5: I just remember the next day being so tired, going
Speaker 5: to spend my money on my coffee at the coffee
Speaker 5: shop okay, And then I would come home and I
Speaker 5: would google, like, Okay, I'm waking up in the middle
Speaker 5: of the night, and I was looking for things that
Speaker 5: I could purchase, whether it was supplements or you know,
Speaker 5: whatever that I could take to make my evening routine better,
Speaker 5: to make me get better sleep again, a band aid fix,
Speaker 5: so that physical piece, like having the issue with my sleep,
Speaker 5: I feel like I was looking for some kind of
Speaker 5: quick fix that would make it go away. And obviously
Speaker 5: that supplements are not They are an investment, right.
Speaker 6: Like, They're not something that are super cheap.
Speaker 5: So I feel like that also kind of affected our
Speaker 5: budget and how I was spending as well.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing so many parallels here between what you're describing
Speaker 3: of how we can find ourselves in a place of burnout.
Speaker 3: I don't want to attach shame to this. I think
Speaker 3: we all will find ourselves in seasons of burnout, sometimes
Speaker 3: not because of all of our full decisions, but whatever
Speaker 3: is within our control. That there are times where we
Speaker 3: will spend our emotional, relational, behavioral energies on things that
Speaker 3: don't actually meet the need meet our values. And it's
Speaker 3: so similar to what we describe and how there are
Speaker 3: many times we will spend our money as a resource
Speaker 3: on the things that we don't actually truly value as
Speaker 3: a means of trying to meet a need, and it
Speaker 3: falls short and we end up experiencing non beneficial consequences financially.
Speaker 3: And as you're describing, when we spend other resources not
Speaker 3: aimed correctly, it ends up and ends us up in
Speaker 3: non beneficial places. So there's so much here that we
Speaker 3: can glean from really understanding ourselves. I also want to
Speaker 3: ask you, though, Jess, about how we can then right ourselves,
Speaker 3: Like if we're seeing, yeah, nearly everything that she listed off,
Speaker 3: I'm experiencing and I don't like what it's doing for
Speaker 3: my finances, and I want to aim at what's going
Speaker 3: to be most beneficial and my needs and values. What
Speaker 3: are some of the daily habits or practices that you've
Speaker 3: seen help people, whether they're in a state of burnout
Speaker 3: or to prevent burnout. What do you recommend I.
Speaker 5: Think before you can get into daily practices, I think
Speaker 5: you kind of have to zoom out a little bit.
Speaker 5: We've been talking about how a lot of these things
Speaker 5: that were kind of leaning into our band aid fixes,
Speaker 5: we're not really getting to the root of why we're
Speaker 5: burnt out.
Speaker 6: Or how we got there.
Speaker 5: We're just trying to get out of it and fix it, right,
Speaker 5: But we don't get burnt out overnight, right, Like, it
Speaker 5: takes weeks, months, years of repeatedly spreading yourself too thin
Speaker 5: and living out of alignment of what matters most to
Speaker 5: you to hit that burnout. So that means that you're
Speaker 5: gonna have to break out of that burnout cycle and
Speaker 5: it's not going to happen overnight, right. So I created
Speaker 5: what it's a framework that we use in the Hustle
Speaker 5: Sanely community called the Five Keys to Hustling Sanely, and
Speaker 5: I created it with the intention of helping people kind
Speaker 5: of like get away from that feeling of feeling spread
Speaker 5: too thin and kind of step into living what we
Speaker 5: call a peacefully productive life.
Speaker 6: So it's like this wellness based.
Speaker 5: Approach to productivity that enables you to design your days
Speaker 5: with intention no matter what season of life you're in.
Speaker 5: So even if you're burnt out out, you're able to
Speaker 5: kind of go within and reflect on these keys and
Speaker 5: how they're playing out in your life, like where you're
Speaker 5: at now and where you want to go?
Speaker 6: And I will be very upfront.
Speaker 5: I tell all of my students this, I tell all
Speaker 5: of my one on one clients this, I don't know
Speaker 5: of a quick fix for burnout and so everybody, and
Speaker 5: I feel like that's kind of like what people are
Speaker 5: looking for, those band aid fixes. I just I don't
Speaker 5: think there is one of those. But this framework, it's
Speaker 5: going to help you design your life in a way
Speaker 5: that aligns with what's important to you. And like I said,
Speaker 5: a lot of these things, they're more of like a
Speaker 5: zoom out, like bigger picture type of thing, not really.
Speaker 6: Day to day.
Speaker 5: I do have some day to day habits that I
Speaker 5: would totally recommend, but I think it's important to first
Speaker 5: start with that zoom out and just kind of see, like, Okay,
Speaker 5: where are we and how did we get here, and
Speaker 5: where do we want to go? Because you don't want
Speaker 5: to just do habits like daily, weekly habits just for funsies,
Speaker 5: right Like. You want them to be purposeful. You want
Speaker 5: them to get you closer to the direction you want
Speaker 5: to be heading. And so the five keys to hustling sanely,
Speaker 5: I'll list them off really quickly, just so you can
Speaker 5: kind of have an idea of what I'm talking about
Speaker 5: when I'm saying to zoom out and kind of view
Speaker 5: these things. So Key one is get your mindset right.
Speaker 5: Key two is get clear on your vision. Key three
Speaker 5: is define your priorities. Key four is create your routines
Speaker 5: and schedule. And then key five is implement hustle sanely
Speaker 5: five every day. And Hustle sanely five we call it
Speaker 5: HS five in the Hustle Stanley community.
Speaker 6: It's basically a.
Speaker 5: List of five curated daily habits to help you make
Speaker 5: progress on your goals while prioritizing your well being and
Speaker 5: the important relationships in your life. And my recommendation is
Speaker 5: to revisit these keys at least once a quarter just
Speaker 5: to kind of touch base with yourself, to check in
Speaker 5: and make sure that how you're spending your time and
Speaker 5: energy lines up with what's important to you in each
Speaker 5: season of your life. And that last part is so
Speaker 5: important in each season of your life because I think
Speaker 5: sometimes we life life is always lifing right, like things
Speaker 5: are going on, things are busy, We've all got a
Speaker 5: lot on our plates, and I feel like it's so
Speaker 5: we want things that we can set it and forget it.
Speaker 5: But that's just not the case when it comes to
Speaker 5: productivity and kind of pursuing your goals, whether those are
Speaker 5: your financial goals or you know, health goals, any of it.
Speaker 5: Right Like, we have to make adjustments to our goals
Speaker 5: and how we're pursuing them based on what's going on
Speaker 5: in our lives. So, for example, I have a daughter
Speaker 5: who is around a year and a half, and the
Speaker 5: way that I pursue my goals now looks vastly different
Speaker 5: than how I pursue them before I was a mom,
Speaker 5: because I am sharing the bulk of my time with
Speaker 5: another human, right Like, of course that's going to change
Speaker 5: the way that I show up for my goals. And
Speaker 5: I think a lot of us get stuck in this
Speaker 5: mindset of wanting to hold ourselves to the same standard
Speaker 5: that we've always abided by when it doesn't make sense
Speaker 5: anymore for what's going on in our lives at this time.
Speaker 5: So that's kind of my first piece is to kind
Speaker 5: of before you can get into those nitty gritty daily
Speaker 5: habits or practices, to kind of make sure that you're
Speaker 5: preventing that burnout, you have to zoom out and get
Speaker 5: the big picture. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. We're so human that we jump
Speaker 1: first to what are the things I can add to
Speaker 1: my life and my schedule and my priorities right to
Speaker 1: fix this burnout. We have this like additive bias instead
Speaker 1: of this, Okay, maybe let's zoom out first. Let's maybe
Speaker 1: see what we can take away. Because I experienced the
Speaker 1: same thing when I had my son like five years ago.
Speaker 1: I thought I was capable and expected to go back
Speaker 1: to pursuing my goals and my career in the same
Speaker 1: way I had been before. I thought I could take
Speaker 1: six weeks off and then I was expected to go
Speaker 1: right back, and it just never happened.
Speaker 6: But now I can relate to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, five years and another child later, and we've just
Speaker 1: gotten further and further from that reality. So I would
Speaker 1: I would really like to maybe explore a little bit
Speaker 1: more that first half then, like the first three parts,
Speaker 1: like how do we maybe like what is something that
Speaker 1: you tell your students or clients, Like how do we
Speaker 1: then zoom out, like what's what's the first thing or
Speaker 1: couple things we should do?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think the first thing, key one, get
Speaker 5: your mindset right to me, this is kind of sorting
Speaker 5: your thoughts.
Speaker 6: So you don't get lost in them.
Speaker 5: I don't know if there are any other fellow anxiety
Speaker 5: people listening. I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder gosh.
Speaker 5: I think back in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two,
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago at this point, and I
Speaker 5: thought that it was so normal to just be a
Speaker 5: jumbled mess up in my brain all the time, Like
Speaker 5: I didn't know that it was possible to kind of
Speaker 5: unjumble my thoughts. And so through therapy and you know,
Speaker 5: working with my therapist, I learned that journaling is a
Speaker 5: huge tool to help me cope with my anxious thoughts
Speaker 5: and to just kind of untangle them. I'm a very
Speaker 5: hands on person. I'm a very visual learner, visual processor everything,
Speaker 5: and I need to see stuff in front of me
Speaker 5: in order for it to make sense and to not
Speaker 5: feel big and scary. And so that's always what I
Speaker 5: tell people to start with, is whatever that looks like
Speaker 5: for you, get your mindset right. So for me, it
Speaker 5: looks like just jotting down anything that I'm feeling about
Speaker 5: my life, including your financial situations right and pinpoint any
Speaker 5: limiting beliefs and.
Speaker 6: Work through those.
Speaker 5: I use a method that I coined called the Pie's
Speaker 5: Method to help me like kind of combat through these
Speaker 5: kinds of thoughts, because it can be kind of hard,
Speaker 5: right if you're like jotting out all of your thoughts
Speaker 5: on paper and your talk is like negative for the
Speaker 5: most part, You're just like okay, cool, Like I have
Speaker 5: all these negative bats on paper, but like, now what
Speaker 5: do I do with them? So I came up with
Speaker 5: pise method, and it stands for the P stands for pause,
Speaker 5: the I stands for identify, the E stands for evidence,
Speaker 5: and then the S stands for solution. So I take
Speaker 5: a second to pause, like I like take a deep breath,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, what is the thought that is
Speaker 5: going through my mind?
Speaker 6: And that's the identify.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, we have to get specific, like what
Speaker 5: am I saying to myself inside my mind? And so
Speaker 5: I would write down like the exact way that I
Speaker 5: am thinking the thought down on the piece of paper,
Speaker 5: and then I ask myself, I look for the evidence
Speaker 5: the E right, like what is the proof behind this statement?
Speaker 5: Like where's this coming from? What evidence do I have
Speaker 5: for this to be true? A lot of the time
Speaker 5: it's no evidence because a limiting belief typically isn't rooted
Speaker 5: in any real evidence, and then S is solution. And
Speaker 5: for me, I am a big fan of affirmations. So
Speaker 5: I will then take that limiting belief that I came
Speaker 5: up with and I'll kind of counteract it with an
Speaker 5: affirming truth. And then I will write the affirming truth
Speaker 5: underneath of the limiting belief and kind of start to
Speaker 5: train my brain to swap out that limiting belief for
Speaker 5: the affirmation. So that's step one, is getting your mindset right.
Speaker 5: And I know, I know, I know that it can
Speaker 5: seem a little bit I don't know, frivolous fluffy when
Speaker 5: people talk about mindset work.
Speaker 6: I know me.
Speaker 5: I'm an Enneagram three. I'm a doer. I'm just kind
Speaker 5: of like, all right, that's a waste of time, Like
Speaker 5: I don't have time for that. I have things to do,
Speaker 5: Like I don't have time to sit there and like
Speaker 5: journal and get real with my thoughts and do all this,
Speaker 5: that and the other. I will tell you, speaking from experience,
Speaker 5: it is what changed the game for me. It changed
Speaker 5: how I show up for myself. It changed how I
Speaker 5: show up for my husband, It changed how I show
Speaker 5: up for my friends, my family, my daughter, just all
Speaker 5: of it. Learning how to take thoughts that are kind
Speaker 5: of just bogging me down and release them and create
Speaker 5: new thoughts in my mind.
Speaker 6: It took practice.
Speaker 5: I was not good at it at first, and I
Speaker 5: felt very silly at first, but I now that I've
Speaker 5: been doing it for gosh over five years, I feel
Speaker 5: like it has changed my entire life, like just how
Speaker 5: I operate as a human being. So I just challenge
Speaker 5: anyone who's listening, if you're like m that's just not
Speaker 5: for me, Like the mindset work, I'm just gonna skip
Speaker 5: onto the next thing. I would challenge you to just
Speaker 5: give it a go, because what do you have to lose, right, Like,
Speaker 5: you could try it and it might change your life
Speaker 5: like it did mine. So I always say that that's
Speaker 5: step one, and then step two is it goes back
Speaker 5: to key too, which is again getting clear on your vision,
Speaker 5: so reflecting on your situation where you're at right now,
Speaker 5: and then casting vision, So where are you now and
Speaker 5: where do you want to be in three months, in
Speaker 5: six months, in a year, in three years. There's really
Speaker 5: no in my opinion, right or wrong way to cast vision,
Speaker 5: because you might feel like you're just so overwhelmed right
Speaker 5: now that the thought of thinking five years in the future,
Speaker 5: you're just like, I don't have the capacity to do that,
Speaker 5: Like I can't do that. Maybe for you it looks
Speaker 5: like casting vision for the next seven days or the
Speaker 5: next twenty four hours, right, But I think it's so
Speaker 5: important to again take a pause. There's so much power
Speaker 5: and pause when it comes to so many of these steps,
Speaker 5: just kind of taking a second, going within and being like, Okay,
Speaker 5: this is where I'm at right now in my life,
Speaker 5: this is where I want to go. And then you
Speaker 5: have to kind of bridge the gap between the two.
Speaker 5: And that's where step three comes in, defining your priorities,
Speaker 5: because that's really what our priorities are.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Like we talked about this earlier, we don't just want
Speaker 5: to be picking habits just to have habits so that
Speaker 5: we can be like, yay, go me like I have
Speaker 5: healthy habits. Like we want our habits to point back
Speaker 5: to the vision that we have for our life, the
Speaker 5: values that are important to us.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: So the way that I do that define my priorities
Speaker 5: is I ask myself what is important to me in
Speaker 5: this season? What are my non negotiables? So I kind
Speaker 5: of I'm a very categorical I don't even know if
Speaker 5: that's a word, like a very list type a person.
Speaker 5: And so I ask myself, what are things that I
Speaker 5: can do daily, weekly, and monthly that can help me
Speaker 5: show up for my non negotiables.
Speaker 3: So that's really helpful and can appreciate this needs to
Speaker 3: be individualized. We can't give an exact blueprint. There is
Speaker 3: the work that needs to be done so that you
Speaker 3: can experience the life that you want to experience. But
Speaker 3: also for those of us who do like some examples.
Speaker 3: Once we've done some of that work, can you give
Speaker 3: us just a few examples from your own life the
Speaker 3: types of maybe simple routines that it has led you to,
Speaker 3: recognizing that it's individualized to you, but curious where might
Speaker 3: we find ourselves then in the types of habits or
Speaker 3: routines we might then choose for ourselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'll give one that's related to finances, and
Speaker 5: then I'll give one that is more just like lifestyle
Speaker 5: relationship based. So for me doing this, I realized that
Speaker 5: I was what I did kind of like my vision exercises.
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, I am spending this is before
Speaker 5: I had my daughter I realized I was spending so
Speaker 5: much time working. I'm in diogram three. I don't know
Speaker 5: if you guys are familiar with aniagram. I love working, Okay,
Speaker 5: work good it. Work, work makes me fulfilled. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I enjoy what I do for a living. But I
Speaker 5: was doing so much of that that I was kind
Speaker 5: of neglecting the important relationships in my life, I e.
Speaker 6: The one with my husband and my friends.
Speaker 5: Because I was always just so wrapped up in what
Speaker 5: I was doing for work, and so I kind of
Speaker 5: took for granted the important relationships in my life. And
Speaker 5: doing this exercise and having a very heart to heart
Speaker 5: conversation with my husband was a wake up call for me.
Speaker 5: I will never forgets it's the early days of hustle. Sanely,
Speaker 5: right when I first started it, we were sitting on
Speaker 5: the couch, and this was when he was still working
Speaker 5: in nine to five, so our evenings were supposed to
Speaker 5: be when we had quality time together, and so we
Speaker 5: were I think watching a movie or show or something,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, we're just sitting on the couch,
Speaker 5: I might as well get my laptop and just answer
Speaker 5: a few emails.
Speaker 6: Just a few emails.
Speaker 5: And I remember, you know, that turns into me being
Speaker 5: on my laptop for an hour. We're just kind of
Speaker 5: sitting next to each other like little robots, not actually
Speaker 5: connected or like laughing at the show or chatting about
Speaker 5: it together. Because I'm answering a few emails, I shut
Speaker 5: my laptop and he said, hey, I am getting the
Speaker 5: crumbs of you at the end of the day, Like
Speaker 5: that's how I feel. And that was a huge wakeup
Speaker 5: call to me. And that is actually the catalyst of
Speaker 5: what caused me to design the five Keys to Hustling sanely.
Speaker 5: So I started doing these vision exercises and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm spending way too much time on my work and
Speaker 5: not enough time in my relationships. And so that caused
Speaker 5: me to create habits. Like now it looks different now
Speaker 5: that we are parents, but back then, we would make
Speaker 5: sure to have an intentional date night planned once a
Speaker 5: week where we would leave the house, even if it
Speaker 5: was just to go on a walk, right, Like, I'm
Speaker 5: not saying you have to go to a five star restaurant,
Speaker 5: spend a two hundred dollars or something on a meal,
Speaker 5: but just connecting with the intention of connecting with no distractions.
Speaker 5: So that's a lifestyle one and then a financial one.
Speaker 5: When I became an entrepreneur, money stressed me out, I
Speaker 5: think because I just felt so everything felt very elusive
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 6: I was just like, how do I pay taxes? What
Speaker 6: do I like? I don't even know what's going on here.
Speaker 5: And so instead of living in that fear because that's
Speaker 5: probably the first year of my business, that's how I
Speaker 5: just lived in fear when it came to my finances,
Speaker 5: and I kind of was like head in the sand.
Speaker 5: I'm not proud to say that, but it is the truth.
Speaker 5: Like I was kind of like, oh, it'll figure itself
Speaker 5: out eventually, Like I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 5: to do. And so I remember again doing these vision
Speaker 5: exercises and I was just like, Okay, this is causing
Speaker 5: a lot of stress in my life, just feeling ill
Speaker 5: equipped when it comes to my business finances. So that
Speaker 5: caused me to partner with an accountant. I hired an
Speaker 5: accountant to help me kind of get the knowledge that
Speaker 5: I needed in order to make wise decisions financially for
Speaker 5: my business and for my life right because the two
Speaker 5: were very tight together. And so ever since hiring him.
Speaker 5: I now every single week. I usually do it on Mondays.
Speaker 5: I will sit down and I'll have a weekly money meeting,
Speaker 5: and it's just a time that is set aside for
Speaker 5: me to kind of make sure that I know, like
Speaker 5: what is going on in my business financially, so that
Speaker 5: I'm not just like throwing caution to the wind and
Speaker 5: kind of like crossing my fingers hoping for the best.
Speaker 5: It helped me to really take ownership of my business
Speaker 5: finances and my finances in general.
Speaker 3: So so helpful. Thanks for giving those examples. And you
Speaker 3: know what else is helpful, Yeah.
Speaker 6: We do every week.
Speaker 1: That really does help us avoid burnout in this show.
Speaker 4: And everyone can take part in.
Speaker 1: The Bill of the week.
Speaker 7: That's right, it's time for the best minute of your
Speaker 7: entire week. Maybe a baby was born and his name
Speaker 7: is William. Maybe you've paid off your mortgage. Maybe your
Speaker 7: car died and you're happy to not have to pay
Speaker 7: that bill anymore.
Speaker 2: Dust bills, but flow bills.
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton, this is the bill of the.
Speaker 6: Week, Jess too. Okay, we're going to know.
Speaker 1: We yell at you. That's what we yell at you
Speaker 1: every week. We yell at our listeners and our guests
Speaker 1: and ask them to share with us one simple thing,
Speaker 1: their bill of the week, and we're excited to hear yours.
Speaker 5: Yes, so mine is an actual like a like a
Speaker 5: bill that you get that you have to pay on. Okay,
Speaker 5: we when my husband and I found out that we
Speaker 5: were going to have a baby, we had to give
Speaker 5: up his office.
Speaker 6: It became the baby's room, and so.
Speaker 5: We built a shed in our backyard. It has air conditioning,
Speaker 5: it's part gym, part his office. It's beautiful, aesthetic, amazing,
Speaker 5: so grateful to have it.
Speaker 6: And we paid it off last week.
Speaker 5: Actually, we got the final bill and we were like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, we are done paying on this that
Speaker 5: we've been We've been paying on it for I would
Speaker 5: say it a little over a year. So that felt
Speaker 5: like a huge, huge win for us.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 5: I was happy to get that bill because it's the
Speaker 5: last one we're getting for that.
Speaker 1: Yes, a heat shed, if you will.
Speaker 6: If you will, that's amazing.
Speaker 4: I love that. I love the creativity too.
Speaker 3: Instead of maybe going out and spending a monthly amount
Speaker 3: on a coworking space or something, it's more of an
Speaker 3: investment in your own property and something that is multi use.
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful way of thinking critically and problem solving,
Speaker 3: getting creative with how you can use your property and
Speaker 3: still make it work and not also not feel like
Speaker 3: you need to just buy a new house.
Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say, because that was
Speaker 5: my initial reaction. I was like, Oh my gosh, we're
Speaker 5: having a baby. Do we need a new house? And
Speaker 5: then I was like, Okay, let's reel it in for
Speaker 5: a second. I think a little bit deeper about this.
Speaker 1: Ninety nine percent of the time, you don't need a
Speaker 1: bigger house. You don't need a new house of the time.
Speaker 3: Look at us with our additive solutions to the point
Speaker 3: when you could just problem solve your own space. If
Speaker 3: you all are listening and you have a bill that
Speaker 3: you want to share about something that you paid off,
Speaker 3: something you don't mind paying or your name is Bill,
Speaker 3: we still haven't heard from you yet, Bill, Frugal Friends
Speaker 3: podcast dot com slash Bill.
Speaker 4: Leave us your bill, and now it's time for day Round.
Speaker 1: All right, this is our Vulnerability Round, Jess and Ray,
Speaker 1: I'm ready. We're all going to answer this question. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite way to invest in the most important part
Speaker 1: of your life.
Speaker 6: Oh, that's a good question. That is a good question.
Speaker 3: Okay, it was a curve ball based on this conversation.
Speaker 3: I'm like, ooh, this, we've already heard kind of your
Speaker 3: daily habit. That's what you're doing. It's like, all right,
Speaker 3: if we want to aim at the giving our energy
Speaker 3: to the best parts, how do we do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jill changed this question while during the interview, and
Speaker 1: so I have to erase the answer.
Speaker 4: I had to quick fish.
Speaker 3: And since you're our honored guests, Jess, go ahead and
Speaker 3: go first.
Speaker 6: Okay, great, amazing. I would love to start us off.
Speaker 5: Okay, So one of the biggest values for me in
Speaker 5: my life right now is showing up and being a
Speaker 5: present mom. Like I said, my daughter's a year and
Speaker 5: a half. So I still consider myself a new mom.
Speaker 5: I don't know when that title technically goes away, but
Speaker 5: I'm clinging to it, okay, because I still feel like
Speaker 5: this is new to me. And when I decided to
Speaker 5: become a mom and we did the thing, how the baby,
Speaker 5: all the things, I decided that I wanted to do
Speaker 5: three day work weeks, and before that I was doing
Speaker 5: five day work weeks. And let me tell you, it
Speaker 5: has been such a challenge to tailor my work into
Speaker 5: three days, and there are three six hour workdays, so
Speaker 5: not even like full eight hour workdays. So running my
Speaker 5: entire company in less than twenty hours a week, it's
Speaker 5: been really really hard, but it's been so incredibly worth it,
Speaker 5: so that I'm able to be more present with my
Speaker 5: daughter before she's school age and you know, goes off
Speaker 5: to school. So one thing that we do, I don't
Speaker 5: work on Mondays, and we I'm a big fan of
Speaker 5: having themes for each of the days of the week,
Speaker 5: and so Mondays is kind of like our family day.
Speaker 5: My husband does not work on Mondays either, and so
Speaker 5: we love being able to just do a family activity
Speaker 5: on Mondays and not even think twice about that we're
Speaker 5: spending money on it, so whether it is going. This
Speaker 5: past Monday, we went to I don't know if you
Speaker 5: guys have these where you live, bar Taco, just like yeah, y,
Speaker 5: so good, so good. So on Monday, we packed up,
Speaker 5: we all got ready and we drove to Bartaco. We
Speaker 5: sat down, we had dinner, we had tacos, Margarita's chips
Speaker 5: and salsa, and then we walked every over to get
Speaker 5: some ice cream and we just we don't feel guilty
Speaker 5: or bad or any of that for spending money on
Speaker 5: a family activity every single Monday, because it is such
Speaker 5: a value to us. There's just something about like connecting
Speaker 5: intentionally once a week as a family, like having a
Speaker 5: planned activity that you do. And sometimes it's us getting
Speaker 5: in our little blow up pool in the backyard. Okay,
Speaker 5: like we're not going out to tacos and margaritas every Monday,
Speaker 5: but that's just something that we look forward to every
Speaker 5: single week, is connecting and spending quality time as a family,
Speaker 5: and we love investing in that financially.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful example. I mean, you've got a lot
Speaker 3: of examples wrapped up into the one, but yeah, just
Speaker 3: the effort towards a three day work week. It is
Speaker 3: one of the things that we talk about in our
Speaker 3: book as well and on this podcast, just about sometimes
Speaker 3: it's not getting the better job, the next higher paying bracket,
Speaker 3: but sometimes it's about decreasing and what can we shift
Speaker 3: in our lifestyles to afford more of what we love,
Speaker 3: and sometimes that's time with the people that we most value.
Speaker 3: So it's a beautiful thing that you've been able to
Speaker 3: identify how to do that and what it's affording you
Speaker 3: and how you're benefiting from it. That's lovely, I would
Speaker 3: say for myself, I'm gonna go with relationships. Of course,
Speaker 3: we all value relationships with friends and family. I think
Speaker 3: sharing a meal with people is one of the best
Speaker 3: ways that I feel I connect and people can get
Speaker 3: the best of me. I'm going to show up for
Speaker 3: that food, and if it's tasty, even better, you're gonna
Speaker 3: You're gonna see me come alive and be my most
Speaker 3: joyful best self. So whenever I can share a meal
Speaker 3: with friends, sometimes that means going out. Usually that means
Speaker 3: having them over to my house or going over to
Speaker 3: a friend's house doing a pot luck. It doesn't always
Speaker 3: mean spending the most amount of money, but that's I
Speaker 3: think where I experience kind of the best of time,
Speaker 3: energy and attention is over a shared meal.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna throw a curveball into this one because
Speaker 1: our listeners will not be surprised. Like we say all
Speaker 1: the time that most people's highest values are a some
Speaker 1: combination of family, friends, faith, and fulfilling work. And so
Speaker 1: family and friends have already been listed. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with fulfilling work and say that I love paying
Speaker 1: for daycare and putting my child in kindergarten last week
Speaker 1: for the first time was torture but also great torture
Speaker 1: and that he just kicked and screamed every day.
Speaker 6: For eight days.
Speaker 1: Yeah eight yeah, first eight days of school. So but
Speaker 1: I truly love what we talk about on this show,
Speaker 1: and I think writing the book has just given me
Speaker 1: like writing was my first love, and so being able
Speaker 1: to finally put together the topic I'm so passionate about
Speaker 1: and the medium that I am not most passionate about
Speaker 1: but first passionate about, has given what we do like
Speaker 1: an extra like depth for me. And I feel every
Speaker 1: day that the work, like if when I'm gone, the
Speaker 1: work we've done will live on and it has already
Speaker 1: positively impacted the world for many people. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: that is a legal level of self actualization and self
Speaker 1: esteem that like, I cannot buy that.
Speaker 4: So that's lovely. I love that. Jess.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here with us and
Speaker 3: sharing your amazing insight on this topic. If people want
Speaker 3: more from you, where can they find that?
Speaker 5: Thank you guys again so much for having me on.
Speaker 5: This was such a life given conversation for me, and
Speaker 5: I hope it was for y'all and your listeners too.
Speaker 5: Everything that I do on the internet lives at Jessicamassey
Speaker 5: dot com. Like every single thing that you could imagine
Speaker 5: that I do online is there. And then I would
Speaker 5: say on a day to day basis, I spend most
Speaker 5: of my time on Instagram, and my handle there is
Speaker 5: at Jess Mnassy's.
Speaker 4: Excellent thank giver a follow Thanks Jess.
Speaker 1: I loved how synergistic this interview felt like. It just
Speaker 1: felt like kindred souls. One who talks about productivity, two
Speaker 1: who talk about how to spend money, but just complete
Speaker 1: synergy and realizing that burnout doesn't necessarily look like rock bottom,
Speaker 1: like you don't have to get to rock bottom to
Speaker 1: treat your burnout and you can actually avoid it by
Speaker 1: focusing on the right things is so refreshing, and I
Speaker 1: hope it helps a lot of people make better spending
Speaker 1: decisions because of what they heard today.
Speaker 4: I've heard so much on burnout.
Speaker 3: I've read books on burnout, I've counseled people about burnout,
Speaker 3: and it's always really nice to hear a little bit
Speaker 3: of a fresh perspective on it. New ways of describing things,
Speaker 3: new ways of identifying how we find ourselves in a
Speaker 3: place of burnout. Like you said before we started our interview, you, Jen,
Speaker 3: it's inevitable that we'll find ourselves here, but that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that we have to stay in that place or
Speaker 3: resign ourselves to Well, this is just going to be life.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to burn myself out, I'm going to
Speaker 3: try and pick myself back up. I'm going to get
Speaker 3: burned out again. Like, there are things that we can
Speaker 3: do to care for ourselves better to create more longevity,
Speaker 3: and the ways in which we can improve mentally, emotionally, relationally,
Speaker 3: socially will only help us more and more with the
Speaker 3: financial decisions that we make. And so it's always so
Speaker 3: encouraging to me to realize if I make a good
Speaker 3: decision for one part of my personhood, it's a good
Speaker 3: decision for the whole of me, and really cool to
Speaker 3: kind of track the ways in which those things blend
Speaker 3: together and create such synergy and congruent. So it's fun
Speaker 3: to find like minded people even in completely separate spaces.
Speaker 3: And Yeah, I'm just so so thrilled that Jess was
Speaker 3: here with us today, and I'm so thrilled that all
Speaker 3: of you were here with us today listening in and
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Speaker 4: Who happens to be the winner of our one thousand
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Speaker 2: Woo woo.
Speaker 1: Yes, thanks to you guys, we did reach one thousand reviews.
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Speaker 4: So thank you.
Speaker 3: Cynthia's review said real life advice and easy to use tips.
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, thank you and Cynthia and my girl Cynthia.
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Speaker 4: So thanks everyone, See you next time.
Speaker 6: Google Friends is produced by Eric Sirianni Jill.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, so we are due to unforeseen circumstances, we
Speaker 1: are recording this intro outro three or four days before
Speaker 1: this episode comes out. Oh yeah, this is possibly the
Speaker 1: closest we got besides the time we recorded an episode
Speaker 1: during a hurricane.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that turnaround? I do think we've done
Speaker 3: a one day turnaround in the past, though it was
Speaker 3: it hurricane because of the hurricane, as we got.
Speaker 1: Very close and we had to record a podcast episode
Speaker 1: during an active hurricane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we won't love that. We love to be
Speaker 3: a month and I loved but sometimes.
Speaker 1: Normally we're a month in advance. Yeah, we stay at
Speaker 1: least four and a half weeks typically, But that's why
Speaker 1: because sometimes unforeseen circumstances lead us to recording an intro
Speaker 1: and an outro three days before publish. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: could if we could give current event information right now
Speaker 1: and it would still be current. Normally it's never current.
Speaker 1: We can't we can't talk about anything current.
Speaker 4: We are like fresh produce right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing is, I don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Well, I can say that, as far as I see,
Speaker 3: there are no hurricanes headed our way right now.
Speaker 1: The IMA said last night that there were two possible,
Speaker 1: but I think he's.
Speaker 4: Too in Hawaii about to like hit in Hawaii at
Speaker 4: the moment. Okay, but like I can't want to marry
Speaker 4: me three so but maybe that could develop into something more.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 1: It can also, Pridget, I'm no Dennis Phillips, but I say,
Speaker 1: don't worry. Oh and get your tickets to the Go
Speaker 1: HQ Summit. Virgal Friends podcast dot com slash go HQ.
Speaker 1: We'll see you on September ninth.
Speaker 6: Righte