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Speaker 1: What are we even doing? What are we even doing? Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: it's Kyle McLaughlin. I am your host of What are

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Speaker 1: We Even Doing? This is a program where we speak

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Speaker 1: with actors, musicians, poets for some I get to use

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Speaker 1: that in an information They very exciting people who are

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Speaker 1: incredibly creative, and we tak creative process Internet, what's important

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Speaker 1: to them, social media, these kind of things. I get

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Speaker 1: to ask all sorts of strange questions today we have

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Speaker 1: I'm excited and this is a true renaissance man we

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Speaker 1: have here. I want to set you up. I want

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Speaker 1: to set you up. You're an incredible actor, musician, poet.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned before teen Heartthrob, which I think we've got

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Maybe Trump's everything. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Ama Jodj is here with us today.

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Speaker 1: And so happy you guys anyway, So glad you're here.

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Speaker 2: No, thank you. I'm massively honored to be here. I'm

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Speaker 2: a huge h I say this. I was going to

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Speaker 2: save it to him. I'm a massive fan of yours

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Speaker 2: and your work.

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Speaker 1: So cool, thank you, really cool for me, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: I want to dig into this, so I usually start

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Speaker 1: with just sort of asking you've been doing this for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Do you remember the moment you were like,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm I'm creative and this is where

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go. And was there a thing or

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Speaker 2: Or absolutely well, I was watching like five years old

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Speaker 2: and I wanted I was watching parts of Muppets Treasure Island,

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Speaker 2: and people don't get the Muppets or they get the Muppets,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's formative, and it's like, I think, divisive

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Speaker 2: and in the way that like you're I think it

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Speaker 2: is a line between two groups of people. Either you

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Speaker 2: understand the concept that is the Muppets or you don't.

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Speaker 2: I am a massive Muppet person. I've been moved around

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Speaker 2: Gonez with the great love him, love the oddity and

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Speaker 2: the he's mercurial. We don't know what he is or

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Speaker 2: where he comes from, and then we sort of answered

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Speaker 2: a little bit and some of the things. But he's

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Speaker 2: a fascinating guy. I like him a lot, and I've

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Speaker 2: recently adopted. Me and my partner, we've liked Robin, which

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Speaker 2: is Kermit's nephew.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 2: It's his nephew. It's not even his. It's not like

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Speaker 2: it's you assumed like, oh, the Sun and then Jim

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Speaker 2: Hanson is a weirdo. It's like, this is his nephew.

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Speaker 2: You wants to be right, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Hapen. Wait a minute, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I watched Muppet's Treasure Island with Tim Curry and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I want to be a pirate and

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Speaker 2: my parents were like that's not a profession anymore. They're like,

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Speaker 2: you can be an actor. And I said, okay, great,

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Speaker 2: what is that. I'm interested in being that. So that

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Speaker 2: I was homeschooled for a number of years.

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Speaker 2: In the was then I was able to really like

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Speaker 2: explore different types of That's why I think I got

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Speaker 2: whatever the school booklets that the government requires you to do,

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Speaker 2: because it's not like homeschooling here. There's like a pretty

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Speaker 1: I was going to say kudos to your parents for

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Speaker 1: recognizing that and also for recognizing the ADHD components early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's it's an advantage as much as it

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Speaker 2: be something else. I was given a world that in

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Speaker 2: like actually extreme focus so long as I'm interested extreme focus,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a superpower, it is, I think. I think

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Speaker 2: So they were able to And I think it's just

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Speaker 1: When you start to figure it out, you look at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the illustrious bloodline OFHD.

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Speaker 1: I love that you have a brother, yeah, yeah, brother brother.

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Speaker 2: you get older where you're like, well it has to

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Speaker 1: Coll just the joy of a joy of like picking.

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Speaker 2: Up a thing, doing a song, and having fun with

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Speaker 2: your brother. So I'm trying to re work my brain

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the dormouse that that was. This looks

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Speaker 1: very interesting and very cool, and what a great idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fairy a punk rock fairy tale. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: That we got Itch Beach, a bitch community. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: Leaves and rain. Yeah. No. So it's a punk rock

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Speaker 2: just thought, like the film noir genre, which explores usually

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Speaker 2: That just seems so logical to me, especially when you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I think that particularly in

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Speaker 2: It's like it must be fascinating too to be living

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Speaker 1: And it was just just it's just necessity because you're

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like smoke rippon cigarettes and drinking coffee.

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Speaker 1: I say so.

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Speaker 2: I grew. I dropped out of high school officially. I

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Speaker 2: Having been homeschooled for a number of years.

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Speaker 2: And then I dropped out of high school officially and

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Speaker 2: and you had to finish high school and then you

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Speaker 2: can go make me try it again. You know, this

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Speaker 1: Called Victorious, which is a big you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Nickelodeon show was everywhere and then funny story I

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Speaker 2: because we shot, I'm not going to give blow up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still on the edge. You want to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it was here overnight every night. I had weird,

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Speaker 1: You seventeen. Yeah, that's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So we shot that for two and it's I

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Speaker 2: wasn't even that long, two and a half years, three years.

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Speaker 1: It's really fun. I mean, yeah, I watched I watched

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was a fascinating medium, the multicam, because we

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Speaker 2: Is all filled in later. Yeah, and we had very

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you didn't go back and you can reach it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you like think of something and you can try something.

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Speaker 2: You know it was it was, but you're a brighter.

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Speaker 2: That was always a bigger.

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Speaker 1: Well, It's one of the things about your work which

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Speaker 1: any given time, that's what's happening in the world.

437
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Speaker 2: So that's how people and people are not consistent.

438
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,400
Speaker 1: How was your relationship with the director? Was it good?

439
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 2: So good? I had there was four directors. We had,

440
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 2: uh com completely female directors for this, and I've actually

441
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,400
Speaker 2: most of my career have been directed by women.

442
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:29,200
Speaker 1: Ok.

443
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think largely. I think I don't pretend to

444
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 2: know what the psychology of that is. I think maybe

445
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,960
Speaker 2: men often don't hire they don't hire me. I don't

446
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 2: know why women feel like they hire me. I think

447
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 2: I represent something that maybe that they understand where it's

448
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,120
Speaker 2: like men. Maybe I don't like male directors are looking

449
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 2: for a different version of themselves on camera because maybe

450
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,199
Speaker 2: it's like a personal thing. But well, you're not like me.

451
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 2: So because I think there's maybe like an there is

452
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 2: maybe like an element of because you see it with

453
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 2: directors like you see like the the person they cast,

454
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 2: and then you see them and you're like, well, I

455
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 2: can see how you would cast that guy, because that's

456
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 2: like it's sort of like a version of you in

457
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 2: the film. Whereas women don't do that with me because

458
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 2: they're not casting themselves. They're casting like a like a

459
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,199
Speaker 2: version of whatever they think a guy should be in

460
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 2: this thing, this fifty six days thing where we are

461
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,639
Speaker 2: playing with trusting men. The whole thing is about do

462
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Speaker 2: we don't we our fear of men, our fear of

463
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 2: like the red flags and like what And you know,

464
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 2: we play with what exists in the public consciousness about that,

465
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 2: and we flip it at times because I think by

466
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 2: the end of it, it's like a cat and mouse show.

467
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 2: But there's two cats, you know, Yeah, and you think

468
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 2: there's prey and predator, but like it goes back and forth,

469
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 2: which is really fun.

470
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Speaker 1: I felt that on the trailer did you know Dove before?

471
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Speaker 2: Were you know, we had never met? We didn't, we

472
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 2: didn't cam read together. Luck of the draw that the

473
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: chemistry was there, and I think, you know, I think

474
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: a lot is attributed to actors of the chemistry. I

475
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 2: would like to attribute it mostly to casting. The casting

476
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 2: usually doesn't get their flowers in this regard, and it's

477
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: a lost art being putting two faces together and just

478
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 2: knowing it's going to work.

479
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, people that do that and they do it well?

480
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: Are very special, very important? Yeah, going back to David

481
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: working with David and Joanna Ray was his casting agent,

482
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: and it was on one of the main ones she

483
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: put together just combinations of people for him that just clicked.

484
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 2: I remember going in for a thing for David with

485
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: I would imagine the same casting director. Yeah, I remember

486
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 2: the audition was to sit there and describe dreams that

487
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: you've had and just talk what a lost art of

488
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: just being like, can we get the essence of this

489
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: person through their own description of their thing and where

490
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 2: does that fit in our the thing that we're making,

491
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 2: rather than being like are you right for the part?

492
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 2: And let's experience this person and see if they fit

493
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 2: into the world we're creating together. Yeah, you know, do

494
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 2: we need someone who's super sharp and over explained and like,

495
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 2: you know.

496
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: No, you get it on the head, which I think

497
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: is so great about David and every actor that's met

498
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: with him talks about it, just the fact that he's there.

499
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: He's just figures if you're there, you can you connect.

500
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

501
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's done. Yeah Yeah, Or if not, he's

502
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: got in front of he'll help you a little bit

503
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: along the way. But I know you're you can do it.

504
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: It's is the energy vibe? Is it? Do I see it?

505
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: Do I feel it? You know what I mean?

506
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: And that's do you stitch into the quote we're trying to.

507
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, which sort of takes as an actor. You're like,

508
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: okay's either going to be there or not. I'm just

509
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: going to enjoy the conversation.

510
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: Speed off of the fastball, You're just like, okay, cool,

511
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: just like you know so yeah. So this part was

512
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: like again, the chemistry between me and Dove is very

513
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: much an amazing work of casting and we're very lucky

514
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: and what a cool thing to work with somebody who

515
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: I didn't know this because you wouldn't know it because

516
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: she's so brilliant, but exploring drama really for the first time.

517
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 1: Kidding.

518
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 2: She's done some a lot of comedy, she dode.

519
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: Some musicals, she does she's a singer.

520
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: I mean, she's an incredible singer. You would never have

521
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: known that she was really that that good and that dedicated.

522
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: It was super fun. We're always trying to hold attention,

523
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like it's it's sort of

524
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: like whatever the class version of the you know you

525
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: got you got every seven seconds. You got to keep

526
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: the audience to like little like the content creators or whatever,

527
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: like we have to be doing something worth watching because

528
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 2: these people are like you know, they put the baby down,

529
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: or like they're going in the movie theater. They got

530
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: a babysitter sitting in the see like, we let's go

531
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: make something extraordinary happen because you know, what what then?

532
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

533
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: What do we even do? You did something recently which

534
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: I think is so fun. You so you did Puck.

535
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah it was a while ago. Yes, yes, yes, but

536
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: you were saying to me, we were talking earlier before

537
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: we came, before we started rolling the camera, how much

538
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it?

539
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? I really did. I what a free character. It's

540
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: fun to play the physical embodiment of like magic and

541
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 2: fun and playing Faye people in general. Going back to

542
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 2: that mercurial, how many how many layers or something can

543
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: you put into something that's absolutely like fertile ground and

544
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: just sort of across the board. With Shakespeare, I've always

545
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: been like interested, especially with seerial that's been touched so

546
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: many times, you know, by so many great actors. It

547
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: is really becomes this sort of lovely and I wasn't

548
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: a Shakespearean up to that point. It was really my.

549
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: First like foyer injurience thing.

550
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, you know, it's intimidating and language,

551
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: the languages, the language stuff. But again I love poetry,

552
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: so it's like, you know, it becomes this sort of

553
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: like oh, if.

554
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Your musical and you love poetry, then those words just

555
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: like float on top of them, Oh my god.

556
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: And then have access and be open enough that that

557
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: some interesting things can pop through that you can experience.

558
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: But that's what I because I you know, I talk

559
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: to some people who are you know, better than I

560
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 2: in that field and.

561
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: A little more experience, but they're better.

562
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: But this is it. But then again going back to

563
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: I like, I want to be better. That's my goal

564
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: as a person. And and and part of that is

565
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: just knowing what your holes you're trying to fill in

566
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: your in your repertoire, you know. And Shakespeare was like, okay,

567
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: this is daunting. And I sort of as a general rule,

568
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 2: follow the put your note, you know, swim out a

569
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: little deeper than it said. Bowie thinks, swim out a

570
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: little deeper. Then you're you're comfortable with your feet. Are

571
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: just get a little nervous that are just touching the

572
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: bottom and that's basically the right place to Yeah, and

573
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: and Shakespeare was like, oh, pitter patter, like so I

574
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: gotta do that, And yeah, paint Puck was awesome.

575
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: You make a really good point because I think with

576
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: Puck in particular, I think and with what we do,

577
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: the sense of play is so important has to be there,

578
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: which is you know, more of a child vibe anyway, right, Yeah,

579
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: and Puck has got I mean in terms of play,

580
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: it's the operative word impish.

581
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's interesting because I always I think I

582
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: was intimidated by Like, okay, so what's the starting point

583
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: as a young male actor. Everyone like hangs Hamlet in

584
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: front of you. Sure like this, you know, massive daunting,

585
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: you know, like like, well that's are you going to

586
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: do it?

587
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

588
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: I mean.

589
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna climb Everest.

590
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: Are you really about that livee or A? You're gonna

591
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 2: climb Overest? Yeah, exactly, you know what I mean. Like,

592
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: and You're like, I think it's it's like it's not

593
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: a great entry point for an actor going to Shakespeare. Yeah,

594
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: like easier more because again, like you said, there's like

595
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: you know.

596
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: You make it fun.

597
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: Make it fun to start, Yeah, make make it fun.

598
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: You know, I think any time for the other Yeah.

599
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there was like there's an actor

600
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: like you should do it like twenty five, thirty five,

601
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: forty five.

602
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

603
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: It was Sir Ben who actually said that to.

604
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: Me, because she was like, that's the English tradition. Yeah.

605
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did King tut Together, which was just sort

606
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: of like, you know.

607
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: That was so cool. I loved looking at that and

608
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: love what you said about the wardrobe. Yeah about me,

609
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: and because we'll talk about that too, but go ahead

610
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: finish the story.

611
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's just doing King Tut together. It already

612
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: has the sort of like size of like you know,

613
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: King Lears and you know, and what Shakespeare talks about

614
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 2: a lot, which is these sort of like men on

615
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: the precipice of greatness morally dealing with their own interior worlds.

616
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: And so you're doing that across one of the great

617
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: theater actors, one of the great actors period. Yeah, you know,

618
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: us having lots of conversations about Shakespeare and him being like,

619
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, you really should give it a go, and

620
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: you would be great in the part, and you have

621
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: the right level of whatever it is, like internal can

622
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: inflict for that kind of part. But that was a

623
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: fun that was a fun project. And also we're just

624
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: working with an idle of mine.

625
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: Truly, what a great experience, huge.

626
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: Huge for me. I mean also like you know, mixed

627
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: Indian actor, there's very few of us in their business. Yes,

628
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: and he was someone who was able to forge a

629
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: path that I've I've walked, yes because of him many.

630
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: Other actors observation.

631
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because we need It was an amazing to

632
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: be able to have that as a roadman.

633
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: And you were talking earlier about your starting in social

634
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: media a little bit and you sort of you started

635
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: right kind of when social media sort of kicked Yeah,

636
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: do you remember you kind of how you kind of

637
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: approached that. Was it something that you integrated right away

638
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: or was there.

639
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: Sort of the wild world west We didn't really know

640
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: what we were doing. But I think also like our

641
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: relationship with it has evolved and changed a lot, Like

642
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: I feel unaware and maybe out of touch with what

643
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: gathers people together online. Usually it's it seems to me,

644
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: usually it's mistakes. We like mistakes as a society. That's

645
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: there's again I'm I've ADHD andeslexia in combination and ironically,

646
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm I write a lot.

647
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: So that's an uphill but perfect profession. But yeah, so

648
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: this is a wild.

649
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: West back when we started, and it's changed now, and

650
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: I think it was way more earnest at the beginning.

651
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 2: It's like, gee, Williker's guys like so excited you love

652
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: the show, and you could be that positive and it

653
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: would find an audience and they would be like, wow,

654
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 2: we love that you're so positive. And now, you know,

655
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: like nihilism has has firmly set itself into you know,

656
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: cemented itself into the public consciousness, and so now we

657
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: here we are I mean, which by the way, like listen, agreed,

658
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, Like I understand. But

659
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: it's almost like, now, to me, the the rebellion is

660
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: you find a glimmer of hope in it all, isn't it.

661
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: It's sort of like that's that sort of way that

662
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: you can rebel best. Yeah, it's it's not. I find

663
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: it very deeply uncool to revel in negativity, especially blue

664
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: world being what it is.

665
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

666
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: I have to say you're holding the torch online for this.

667
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing our best man, we're hanging in the middle.

668
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: Man.

669
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you're going to do something which I think

670
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: is so cool and bold. Really, you're working with Kane

671
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: on this back Rooms, Yes, Kane Parsons, who's super young. Yeah,

672
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can't do what he needs to do.

673
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: But I watched back Rooms and it's fascinating. It's fascinating,

674
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, this is cool kind of concept, right,

675
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: you got to go with concept? You're like, I got that.

676
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: And then I was like, you know, kind of going

677
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: along in the journey, and then I was like, what

678
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: what just happened with this thing? It's that mind is

679
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: interesting enough to sort of say, okay, let's see and

680
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: I think A twenty four is going to do this

681
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: and I plod them.

682
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: I really do.

683
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean, when you know about what's happening with it, I.

684
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: Think he's in the middle of his process with the edit.

685
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: I think, you know, as somebody who is well intimately

686
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: understood or well connected to the dream world, he definitely

687
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: plays around in the dream world. He certainly. I mean,

688
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: he's a younger and he's nineteen years old. Yeah, yeah,

689
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: he's twenty now. And we spoke and I just again

690
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: you you know, part of being an actor is also

691
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: being a baton man. And you just see somebody who

692
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: is that concerned with the outcome of the thing. I

693
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: don't see any level of like excited to be in

694
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: the cool people's club.

695
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't.

696
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: You know, the fact that A twenty four is doing

697
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 2: it is awesome, but he would do it. He has

698
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: a goal to expand and create this world and it

699
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: matters to him. The universe matters to him. And you

700
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: just want to you want to ride with a like that?

701
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's totally right.

702
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: You know if I was, I mean, I would talk

703
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: about this a lot, like you know, like the reason

704
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: why there's a lot of people in kids television right

705
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: and like they should have been doing so a lot

706
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: of them should have been doing something else. So some

707
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: of us, like you know, we're ended up being astrophysicists,

708
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like like like but when

709
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: you're precocious and you're young, you know what I mean,

710
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: you just get like they're like, you should be an

711
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: actor because that's the only thing that people are going

712
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: to let you do and take you seriously do, right,

713
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: because like direct know what I mean, not like you

714
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: direct you know, and like you're nine years old, but

715
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: that's happening with this with Kine and we end up

716
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: just eventually getting on the phone, right and I'm just like, uh,

717
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't whatever you need me to do, Yes, I'm

718
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: in because I just I believe in you. Yeah, and like,

719
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: so whatever you want me to do in this, I

720
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: think that you are have the world building that I'm

721
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: always looking to be a part of. And as an actor,

722
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: when I have my acting hat on, you know, going

723
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: to your a garden analogy, you just want to be

724
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: the best spade you can be and surrendering to somebody

725
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: who has vision for the garden. That's what I want

726
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: to do as an actor, and largely a lot of

727
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: the time, like you go on set and you're like,

728
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: especially the way that I am because I direct, I

729
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: have like half my gardener hat on and half off

730
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: my spade hat on. And I'm like, yeah, but maybe,

731
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: but you know saying this, what are you doing in lite? Like,

732
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 2: I don't care if you have the rules in your

733
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: head not. My job is just to delivery on.

734
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: That and then things change, you know, can change. The

735
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: other actor is going to give you different stuff to

736
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: things happening. But at least you have, you know, you

737
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: come in with a certain kind of like this is

738
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: what I think we're going.

739
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a Michael kne thing. But I've memorized

740
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: my performance. It's like whatever. It's like, you know, like

741
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: you know everything on the internet in the comment section.

742
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: If it devolves the Nazis, it's over. If two actors

743
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: get together and it ends with a Michael Caine impression, yeah,

744
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean for walking impression in his pocket.

745
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: He's just I don't know.

746
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: My faird thing is when he does like a little

747
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: two mice he touched. Why do you do that?

748
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

749
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: He licks his little fingers.

750
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: There was a great story I probably not true, but

751
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: but he was on stage the you know, in Shakespeare

752
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: in the Park. To be or not to be? I

753
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: don't know.

754
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, does it work?

755
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: I guess it works?

756
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: I am.

757
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, you've been such as such a pleasure. Yeah,

758
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna play a crazy game. Yes, it's called bloody

759
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: good versus Oh bloody good. I got my neck. It

760
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: really hurts. And I don't know what migraine coming a

761
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: migraine mine really hurts. I don't know what's gonna I think,

762
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh, I feel so much better. I don't

763
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: need the lave that you know. It was just knife.

764
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: It was in my.

765
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: Knife knife shop, knife shop.

766
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: Oh god, dueling dueling walkins.

767
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: All right, we are back, we're back.

768
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Okay. It's just a segment I designed, but I didn't

769
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: want to design this. You guys designed this. Yes, you

770
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: got to start. We designed. It's for you. It's called

771
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: bloody good versus. Okay, let's talk about that already, people

772
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: on border this already. Okay, we're paying tribute to your

773
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: new show fifty six days. It's a romantic thriller, yes,

774
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: is that right? Okay, So we're going to be performing

775
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: lyrics do some popular songs as if we're characters in

776
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: a worldromantic thriller and it is spoken word.

777
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not singing dramatic.

778
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: You could sing. You can sing, but but I think

779
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: in my case better than I don't. So the other

780
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: we'll have to guess which song the lyrics are from. Okay,

781
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: So so if we get it right, we high five GAO.

782
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: Get it wrong, you must act out or I must

783
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: act out a death scene. So I gotta do it

784
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: like a romantic thriller. Okay, should I start? Yeah? Okeah, okay, okay, right, said,

785
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: I'll put my guard down for you, said, I'd be vulnerable.

786
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: You can break my heart if you want. She said,

787
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: take your time. What's the rush? I said, baby, I'm

788
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: a dog.

789
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: I know this one. Oh you do?

790
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: What is it?

791
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: Leon Thomas?

792
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: Very good? Oh wow?

793
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: I really felt that that was marvelous.

794
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: It has stood the test of time.

795
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: Thank you. So let's let me get the next one

796
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 2: wrong so I can do a death scene. Okay, when

797
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: you wake up next to him in the middle of

798
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: the night, with your head and your hands nothing more

799
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: than his wife, And when you think about me all

800
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: of those years ago, you're standing face to face with

801
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: I told you so. And I know you hate to say,

802
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: but I told you so.

803
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Chapel Rooney from the infamous dance Yeah with the Chapel

804
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: Room singing. I still remember that. Shoot. It was frightening

805
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: to me because Maya made me get into this hot

806
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: dog outfit and I was like, are you sure? And

807
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: this is when I crossed over and I just said

808
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: I did you understood? You gave up. I kind of

809
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: gave in and I was like freeing to me.

810
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: You know it's like and here now we march forward

811
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: into the bleak unknown. Yes, absolutely, into the social vortex. Yes,

812
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: I mean that's really you. You you hold like a

813
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: pillar of the social media like landscape.

814
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to.

815
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: Every single time one of your videos comes up.

816
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: Something like heart that. Oh them, nice to hear. Okay,

817
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: I'm dumb hiding, sorry, Chris, we can't help it, Chris

818
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: walk Now I'm shining like I'm going to be. We

819
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: dreaming hard. We came so far now I believe we're

820
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: going up, up, up, you know, together together again. We're glowing.

821
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: We're glowing, gonna be gonna be gold and gonna be gold.

822
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if I know this one right. You're

823
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: messing with us because you want to die. Yeah, it's true.

824
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: He wants to do it. Oh the blood is pumping.

825
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: Oh my lord, who doesn't want to do a death scene?

826
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's a great orson Welles one, isn't it.

827
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: When he starts he tell me start.

828
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: These monologues, because this is very like in the vein

829
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: of what Ortis needs to do on like talk shows,

830
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: they just have him read like Shakespeare and stuff back

831
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: then and even start with just to get just to

832
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: get everyone's attention.

833
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: Because I get orson Welles too on my feed. Yeah,

834
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I love it is the best. All right,

835
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm holding here, we go, ready to die.

836
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: Tell me you've got something to give. I want it.

837
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: I kind of like it when you call me wonderful,

838
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: whatever the type of talk it is. Come on, then

839
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: I gotta know you're meant to be the man I need.

840
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: I gotta know, gotta know.

841
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: I got a fever.

842
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: I need to know the kind of man I need

843
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: you to be to me.

844
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, and I don't know. Yeah, well good, wait

845
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: hold on. Oh yeah, he's got a bit.

846
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: He's got a bit.

847
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I just got it. I've gotta feva. Oh oh yeah,

848
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: that's deep.

849
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: That's deep. Jugular stuff.

850
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: Is gonna kill me.

851
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: Wow, oh lord, my lords and fun and you came

852
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: and wow.

853
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: That's what we do here. We have fun. Thanks so much.

854
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: Thank you. Man.

855
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: So you've got fifty six days, it's sort of the

856
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: next Yeah, it's out. Is there anything else you want

857
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: to eighteen mentioned.

858
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: On Prime Video. It's so fun to have a show,

859
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: you know, come out and it's gonna have such a

860
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: wide audience. And people can like really watch it and

861
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 2: they get it all the same day. So that's really

862
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: exciting to me. And yeah, it's been a minute since

863
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: I've I've honestly been on this sort of like train

864
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: of promoting something as heavily as this, So I'm really

865
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 2: I'm really excited for people to get a hold.

866
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: Of good good. I look forward to it. Everyone's gonna

867
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: check that out. Thanks, This is gonna be fun. You know,

868
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if we figured out what what are

869
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: we doing? But we gave it a good shot. Oh yeah,

870
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we'll probably never know.

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Speaker 2: We'll probably never know. And but you know, me and

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Speaker 2: my mom used to sit around the kitchen table and

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Speaker 2: rant at each other for hours and hours on it,

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Speaker 2: and we would end the rant with, well, we've solved

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Speaker 2: it all.

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Speaker 1: Until tomorrow, until tomorrow, perfect answer. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: What a pleasure. What Are We Even Doing?

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Speaker 3: Is a production of iHeartMedia and the Elvis Duran podcast Network,

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Speaker 3: hosted by me Kyle McLachlin and created and produced by

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Speaker 3: Full Picture productionists Yay, featuring music by Yata and artwork

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