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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about Scott Peterson getting an ass

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Speaker 1: whooping in prison, a track star that says she accidentally

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Speaker 1: beat her competition with a baton, police finding a dead

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Speaker 1: person randomly on top of a woman, penis enlargement, and

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Speaker 1: burials at sea. Let's talk about this Scott Peterson situation.

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Speaker 1: It's about time someone kicked his ass, all right.

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Speaker 2: So Scott Peterson, who was famously convicted of murdering his

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Speaker 2: wife Lazy and their unborn child, he got attacked in

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Speaker 2: prison over a pickleball debate.

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Speaker 1: The pick like you guys know how I feel about that.

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Speaker 1: The hipster sport that just all of a sudden is

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Speaker 1: popular within the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: It's a classic what's wrong with your generation situation with a.

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Speaker 1: Out of me.

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Speaker 2: Even though the sport has been around I think over

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Speaker 2: one hundred years, but there has been a surge in

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Speaker 2: the last decade. It's not like it just popped up

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Speaker 2: last year like it did in your mind. It's been

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Speaker 2: popular for the last couple of years, but I guess

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Speaker 2: it has hit the prison system. So he was he

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Speaker 2: was playing pickleball against another inmate, and they're saying that

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Speaker 2: he purposely I don't know. This is alleged that he

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Speaker 2: purposely hit this ball at the other inmate, which pissed

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Speaker 2: that guy off, and then he beat the shit out

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Speaker 1: It's funny because when he got arrested, in everything and

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Speaker 1: throughout his trial, he always it's it's hard to think

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Speaker 1: of him killing his pregnant wife because he always seems

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Speaker 1: like he's so what's the word that I'm looking for.

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Speaker 1: He has no emotions or something. He looks like a

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Speaker 1: very that. He's not an aggressive person at all. Right,

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Speaker 1: you never get that vibe like he's so chill. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but like I think he's like a little

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Speaker 2: That's how those people are though a lot of times

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Speaker 2: that are murdering other people, they're like quiet, recluse people.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know. So so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting that he got pissed off and tried to

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Speaker 1: hit someone with And I guess that goes with our

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Speaker 1: next story too, right, But yeah, so he got beat

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Speaker 1: up in jail. It's kind of interesting. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know people are in prison and stuff, but it's just

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Speaker 1: kind of like, you're in prison the rest of your

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Speaker 1: life was supposed to be get killed by the death penalty,

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Speaker 1: and that's not happening now, and you're just enjoying a

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Speaker 1: around you, playing pickleball outside. It's just weird.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's been in jail since what roughly like

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Speaker 2: two thousand and four, maybe since he was arrested in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and three, and I'm really surprised he's lasted

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Speaker 2: this long without I mean, has he gotten any other

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Speaker 2: big fights, because usually when we hear of stories like this,

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Speaker 2: other prisoners are really not okay with like sex offenders

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Speaker 2: and children or child killers. Yeah, so I'm surprised he

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Speaker 2: hasn't been in any other situations like this before. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, the injuries he got from this pickleball fight

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Speaker 2: were not really that bad. He didn't have to go

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Speaker 1: Think he needed a little asspo But no, I think

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Speaker 1: it's it put a smile on everyone's face. You could

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Speaker 2: Think most people think it's funny and well deserved because

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this track star who also took

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Speaker 2: So this video goes viral from this track meet, and

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Speaker 2: But they're like rounding the corner of this relay race,

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Speaker 2: and it peers that one of the girls purposely takes

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Speaker 2: That girl ended up getting a concussion. They think she

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not an expert, and I am

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Speaker 1: an expert. I'm a life expert, okay, Like that girl

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, she's arguing that she lost her balance

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Speaker 1: She got pissed. That's what happened.

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Speaker 2: So I think when you really look at the video,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like people are going online and saying

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Speaker 1: think that's necessary. But also it's just like, dude, you're

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Speaker 1: I mean, anybody would say that she's given her a

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Speaker 1: and this has never happened accidentally like this, you know.

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Speaker 2: I was just surprised the damage was so severe because

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Speaker 1: Could punch someone in the head and break their skull.

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Speaker 2: It's so confusing in many ways. So police got a

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Speaker 1: I don't even understand how this happened. So police said

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's well, I was interesting. Well, I was

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Speaker 2: Who called nai will one?

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Speaker 1: Did she unharmed? Is a light statement, I think, because

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Speaker 2: But who caught nime on one?

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Speaker 2: But can't you argue that he was on top of

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Speaker 1: Like a like a letter opener and she's just on

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Speaker 1: the nightstand opener is pretty far fetched, but it's totally

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Speaker 1: it's totally possible. Anything we as we know from this

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Speaker 1: see what's going on with her her mental Like why

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Speaker 2: wasn't really well thought out. But that's what I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: the Gross Room.

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Speaker 1: Guys, do you know the biggest story that broke this

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Speaker 1: week was Gene Hackman and his wife's death, So we

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Speaker 1: covered that in the Gross Room. It's about a ten

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Speaker 2: Well, at first, we were going to report on this

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Speaker 1: how they determined that. Well, they said more than likely

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you have to get this I know

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Speaker 1: problems with that. Yeah, so it's it's probably more like

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing, like you're you're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: home and permits and all that stuff. So there are

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Speaker 1: so you don't have to be embombed. You could be cremated, embombed,

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Speaker 1: non embombed, whatever. There are some rules and this is

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Speaker 1: from like a governmental website, so these are the official

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Speaker 1: rules that you're not allowed to do it if the

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Speaker 1: remains are placed in ocean waters within three nautical mile

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Speaker 1: such as pets, And I think I understand why they

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Speaker 1: might not want to do that just because of illnesses

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Speaker 1: transmitted to the animals in the ocean. Not sure, just

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Speaker 1: that's that's just like a wild assumption there. And they

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Speaker 1: want you to make sure that you're using materials that

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Speaker 1: are readily decomposable in a marine environment. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time they say that if you are putting someone

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Speaker 1: in that you should like put weight on them, like

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Speaker 1: a steel chain to pull them down, which I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't really break down in the ocean either, right,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because then I would assume, like in

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Speaker 2: this woman's case, you're going in with a wrap or

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Speaker 2: some type of other thing wrapping your body. But then

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Speaker 2: there's there's all these suggestions for what to do with

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Speaker 2: a casket, so people are putting whole caskets in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they were saying that US Navy members who get buried

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Speaker 2: at have a metal casket, but there's all these rules

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Speaker 2: for how they need to be I guess the.

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Speaker 1: Bigger question or like that. I've never thought of is

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Speaker 1: that in theory, if bodies are getting thrown into the

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Speaker 1: ocean and there's animals scavenging on them, are are we

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Speaker 1: potentially eating those animals? I mean, think about that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I know that there's certain kind of fish

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Speaker 1: not sure if they're ones that we would typically eat,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not really sure about ocean animals like that

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Speaker 1: much to say which ones are. Which they did mention

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Speaker 1: because there was some questions about what if someone wanted

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Speaker 1: to get buried in a river of water or a

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Speaker 1: lake or something like that, And there's all just different

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Speaker 1: roles for different things. Most of them have to do

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Speaker 1: with how deep the water is.

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Speaker 2: There's also some different rules with where you're doing it

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Speaker 2: in the United States, so they're saying generally it has

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Speaker 2: to be three nautical miles from land in the ocean

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Speaker 2: waters at least six hundred feet deep. But then they're

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Speaker 2: saying in certain areas specifically east central Florida west of Pensacle,

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Speaker 2: Florida to the Mississippi River delta, they have to be

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Speaker 2: in at least eighteen hundred feet deep water.

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Speaker 1: So that probably has to do with like the hurricanes

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Speaker 1: and the stirring up of the water, and how likely

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Speaker 1: it is that it's going to wash ashore. I guess

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Speaker 1: they're more worried about I just I really am kind

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Speaker 1: of mind bloom like by this. I can't believe that

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Speaker 1: that they're not washed ashore more frequently. Also, one interesting

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Speaker 1: thing to me, too, is that they said that they

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Speaker 1: might not ever find out who the person is. And

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, why there's not some kind of

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Speaker 1: logs of who is getting thrown in the water. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what I was saying earlier with their saying you

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Speaker 1: have to alert the EPA within thirty days following the burial.

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Speaker 1: So are you how many people got buried in the

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Speaker 1: water with the past third?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So are you getting the permit beforehand? And then

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Speaker 2: you have to submit the details of it after? I

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Speaker 2: would like to know. I'm sure somebody listening knows exactly

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Speaker 2: how this process works. But I am so fascinated that

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Speaker 2: this happens in the United States, and it's just it

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Speaker 2: seems like it's pretty easy and manageable to do.

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Speaker 1: So it is kind of scary, like scary you think

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Speaker 1: about being buried underground. Some people are a little freaked

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Speaker 1: out about that. I mean, I feel like being buried.

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Speaker 1: Buried in the water is also terrible. Obviously you're going

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Speaker 1: to decompose and break down faster in the water, but

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Speaker 1: just the thought of being deep in the ocean by

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Speaker 1: yourself is very scary too.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to Questions of the Day.

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Speaker 2: Every Friday at the at mother nos Death Instagram account,

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Speaker 2: you guys can head over to our story and ask

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Speaker 2: us whatever questions you want. First. For organ donors, is

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Speaker 2: there an age restriction? What makes you not suddenly ineligible? So, no,

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Speaker 2: there's not an age restriction.

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Speaker 1: Think about this. Sometimes there's babies that are born that

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Speaker 1: need heart transplant or need a liver transplant, and obviously

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Speaker 1: you can't take the heart or a liver from a

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Speaker 1: twenty five year old who dies in a car accident.

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Speaker 1: So there has to be organ donors from every age range, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: and as far as not being eligible, there's definitely things

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Speaker 1: that would make a person ineligible, certain infections like TB viral, meningitis, CJD,

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Speaker 1: things like that they don't want to transplant those organs.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes when you are donating an organ, they will send

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Speaker 1: a piece of it down to the leb and do

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Speaker 1: a biopsy to make sure that the tissue is healthy.

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Speaker 1: So if the tissue doesn't look healthy, either by a

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Speaker 1: disease process or if the person has active cancer, that

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Speaker 1: would also be a reason for them not to want

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Speaker 1: to transplant an organ. But there are situations like HIV

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Speaker 1: and stuff that you would think, oh no, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want to donate that organ, or you wouldn't want to

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Speaker 1: transplant that organ, but they've done it. And if you

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Speaker 1: think about this, like if you're on the list and

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Speaker 1: you need to get a new liver, you are going

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Speaker 1: to die if you don't get that liver and soon.

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Speaker 1: So you might take a liver that might not be

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing in the world. It might be a

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Speaker 1: person that had something like that, but it will give

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Speaker 1: you time, and right now you don't have time. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like a desperation thing because there's

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Speaker 1: so many people that are on the list and there's

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Speaker 1: just not enough organs for all those people, and so

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Speaker 1: many people die every day that are on the list

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Speaker 1: that are waiting.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: They are they they just don't want to give a

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Speaker 1: person way more problems than they potentially would get with

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Speaker 1: a healthier one. So but yeah, I mean if kids,

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Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately people, the car accidents are like the

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Speaker 1: biggest things for donors and healthy people who are dying

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Speaker 1: a child anything like that. I mean, it's so sad,

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Speaker 1: but really it helps other kids that are living that

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Speaker 1: need it.

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Speaker 2: All right. Second, does cancer keep growing when a person

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Speaker 2: or does it stop when the person dies?

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Speaker 1: No cells need oxygen in order to be alive and

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Speaker 1: to reproduce, so no replicate, No, they don't. It dies when,

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Speaker 1: just like your whole body dies. There's even this rumor

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Speaker 1: that goes around that your hair and your nails dot

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Speaker 1: grow when you die, and that's not true either. It's

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Speaker 1: just that your tissues lose water and it shrinks down,

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Speaker 1: so it appears like your hair is getting longer and

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Speaker 1: your nails are getting longer, but they're really not. Everything

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Speaker 1: stops all right.

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Speaker 2: Last, where can I find the coffee table book? Like

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Speaker 2: our book? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, like Antennie's and I You can find it

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Speaker 1: at Barnes and Noble. They have it. They have it

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. You can go to our website and order it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so on our website it's thedoormatter dot com slash book.

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Speaker 2: We lead you to anywhere that sells it, so we

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Speaker 2: have a link for international orders UK, several retailers in

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Speaker 2: the US. And then you could also order a book

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Speaker 2: plate sticker, so you will sign that sticker, we'll mail

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Speaker 2: it out and then you can put it in your book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a little spot on the website where

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Speaker 1: you could fill out exactly what you want me to write.

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Speaker 1: I have never turned anybody down for their requests, so

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Speaker 1: don't ask for anything to outrageous. But yeah, and it's fun.

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Speaker 1: Some people write really fun messages to people, so it's cool. Yeah.

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