WEBVTT - 2017 Week 5 Recap 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:08.160 The Around the NFL Podcast. Hey remember when Chris Wesley 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:12.119 nate his pants? Welcome back to another edition lovely Around 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.000 the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas and I 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:19.120 am joined by room filled with heroes teeming even Mark Sesler, 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.200 Chris Westling and Greg Roseatal. What's up? Boys? Hey? Dan? 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.480 There he is west back back in the chair. Feels 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.880 so good. Hey, doing bod? I had a cough trop 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:31.520 I'm trying to chew it up so I can so 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.160 I can speak correctly. That's good. What do you? Um? 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.800 We're obviously we're thrilled to have you first Sunday show 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.760 of the season for west the first of many. We hope, Um, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:43.640 you want to tell the audience how you're doing, how 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.080 everything's going well. It started out as a rough week. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.920 I started chemo on Monday, and uh I was sick 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.280 for a couple of days, had my moss my voice 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.000 again due to a couple of procedures, but got that 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.400 fixed on Friday. Feeling better about the chemo the last 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.560 few days, and uh, I think if I can start 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.160 gaining weight and get used to the chemo, med's then 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.440 uh then it's all. It's all on the downhillside. From 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.560 now on, just scooting scooting downhill. I think you described 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.120 yourself as having a Bill Clinton esque voice, which I 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.920 think is, yeah, that's that's not a bad you know, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.480 there's a lot of you know, women out there that 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.360 enjoyed that voice, as we learned throughout the Clinton administration. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.640 Al Right, well that's true. It's absolutely true. You have 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.360 to take something from Bill Clinton. The voice is not bad. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.080 That's a fair point. Uh So West is with us 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.520 here the This is our week five recap episode, the 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.080 flagship show of the Around the NFL podcast, presented of 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.720 course by Head and Shoulders. Head and Shoulders Shampoo and 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:51.120 Conditioner two is one meshed into one product at the 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.240 same time, a one stop shop, great teamwork. Yeah yeah, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.000 Tambark Sports and and a lot of people like, oh 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.760 they they're doing an ad read right now. No, it's 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.040 it's just say it's pure, it's pure passion for the product. Hey, Dicks, 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.720 you're paying attention. I'm just saying, all right, So we 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.120 got a lot of games to get to this the 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.120 first proper bye week of the season. And the company 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.120 Dick's Sporting Goods, not just general generally, you know, correct, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:21.560 And they Dick Wilson. They really did deck him, all right, 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.880 Russell Wilson taking the sack in a big spot. We're 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.280 gonna talk about that game and so many more, but 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.919 first we're gonna get to the best game of Week five, 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.960 the game that was a rematch of one of the 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.520 best games of the team playoffs, and this one was 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.560 just as entertaining. The Green Bay Packers at the Dallas Cowboys. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.560 And it came down to Aaron Rodgers with the ball 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.400 in his hands, and usually that works out pretty good 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.959 for the Green Bay Packers. Checking down snap, Rogers throw's 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.440 face corner the ends of the shower to touch stowf 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.239 Dudante Adams got up pretty Touchdow catching the right corner 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.919 of the young shone a ten yard touchdown throw from Rodgers, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.519 and it couldn't have been better. Wayne Larvey w t 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.520 MJ Packers Radio Network. Rogers magic on display again. Aaron 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.519 Rodgers marched the Packers seventy five yards and nine plays 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.840 in just over a minute, cap by the game winning 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.520 strike to Davante Adams, who was in the hospital at 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.160 the head injury eight days earlier. Even more impressive than 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.480 your stuff, West, What do you think about that? Yeah, 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.640 that's some redemption for Davante Adams. Definitely. Actually don't even 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.079 believe that. Um, you're you're the guy in the room 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.919 with some hospital back stories. I thought would work you 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.040 in here with you you know that, and you put 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:36.960 up with a cold at one point earlier in the season. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.680 It was the little ce And this is how we 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.720 won Best New Podcast of two thousand West one day 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.040 when Aaron Rodgers uh is being inducted into the Hall 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.839 of Fame, these will be the games we remember. Yeah, 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.400 I go back to last season, the last time these 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:57.200 two teams played, when he threaded that needle to Jared 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.360 Cook on the sideline. It seems like, oh my, every 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.720 time we see Aaron Rodgers play, now, something magical happens. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.560 He had a game winning drive against the Bengals a 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.160 couple of weeks ago, and I didn't sleep last night. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.920 I spent the night watching the Packers. I am all 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.600 in on this team. This is the whole night. This 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.160 is their year. I'm convinced this is the Super Bowl winners. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.080 What makes them different this year than the last few 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.480 years when they've fallen short. There's there's a mental toughness 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.600 that they have already developed from overcoming injuries that not 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.839 only not only the toughness, but has revealed the depth 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.479 on both side of the ball. They lose Time Montgomery 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.559 and bringing Aaron Jones and their running game gets better. 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.080 And that is not a one game fluke. Aaron Jones 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.560 is a better runner than Time Montgomery. It might not 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.559 be a better player, but their running game works better 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.840 with Aaron Jones. And the same thing happens on defense. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.840 They didn't plan to start King their second round rookie 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.320 or to go to Josh Jones at safety and a 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.680 superhero Mica hide Roll. These guys are playing because of 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.080 injuries and they are different, difference making kind of talents 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.240 and they're gonna get healthier as they go to I 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.640 mean on the offensive line, they're still gonna get Bulaga back. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:19.799 Was did not the bac tr rather will be back. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.040 And not only that Aaron Jones Blayton playing well, but 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.320 the ability to trust them to give him the ball 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.400 on that last uh drive I think was a credit 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.839 to Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers whoever is calling the 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.240 plays in that sort of situation. And Aaron Jones just 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.720 sprint in outside was such a big play and I 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.080 love the the wherewithal of Rogers to talk to Adams 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.600 after the first in completion on the goal and go 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.240 back to the exact same play again. And that was 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.200 a very difficult catch. It's a great throw, but that's 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.400 a very difficult catch that Hava's makes to beat the 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.839 beat the catch down in the newsroom, Troy Hickman, the 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.640 color commentatory getting crushed by various analysts. I mean, myself, 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.160 include to anyone for for kind of saying, oh, Dallas 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:06.360 scored that final touchdown of their's too quickly, right when 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.280 they threw the ball beforehand. Yet they scored too quickly, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.920 and yet in a way you know, because he's watched 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.680 Darren Rodgers entire crew, he was exactly right. It was 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.039 anyone surprised to see the Packers just marched down the 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.280 field the way they've done, No, because we've seen this 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.120 script play out and five other times, and I guess 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.800 we should be surprised that this guy, Aaron J. Jones 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.880 is now emerged as a potential real player in this offense. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.839 But that's the way the running of back position works. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.279 It seems a lot in the NFL. The death chart 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.200 goes very deep guys get hurt and sometimes someone kind 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.599 of emerges, and this is that feels like the final 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.200 piece of this offense with the offensive line getting healthy 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.200 and if you have a real option back there nothing 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.000 that's time on coomery. But I didn't like. I don't 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.000 like a number eighty eight lineing up back there anyway, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.880 give me a nice thirty whatever. There's always a little strange, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.800 like something the high school team would pull, except it 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.839 was working to something. I think you'll have a huge role, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.600 and I think he played well throughout the first three 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.400 weeks of this season. He just doesn't need to be 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.600 the running back that has more touches per snap than 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.800 any running back in the league. Would be great. If 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.240 he's handling the duties with Aaron Jones, they're They're so 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.160 much better that way. That's what I'm saying that Aaron 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.440 Jones is too good. He has too much juice, too 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.360 much obvious playmaking ability to take out of the mix. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:19.200 I'm not saying Time Montgomery will be usurped, but Aaron 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.480 Jones will stay in as a complimentaryen Bay with three 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:25.160 players named Aaron with carries today, let's diversify the roster 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.920 names please and on the Cowboys side. Two and three. Now, 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.280 that matches their lost total for all of last season. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.840 But I'm not greg. I'm not ready to panic about 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.200 the Cowboys. This is a one of the games of 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.960 the season, and I thought they played on balance well 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.600 and they had the lead late and Zeke Elliott looked 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.480 like Zeke Elliott in this game. Are you worried about 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:48.120 them two and three here? Interesting depends what the goal is. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.280 I mean, getting a buy is going to be difficult. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.680 You're already two games back in the division, so that's 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.760 a whole you gotta climb out of the offensive line 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.440 is good, but not as dominant, and you don't have 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.040 a much of an explosive element to the passing game. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.320 So I think they're okay. But it's not like you 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.440 look at the defense and think, Okay, this is a 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.560 defense that's gonna get a ton of stops. You need 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.720 the offense to be special and and today was a 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.400 step maybe in that direction. They looked like two thousand sixteen. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.320 Today the defense new Zeke was coming and over and 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.960 over and over again. On third and one and fourth 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.440 and one. They could not stop Ezekiel Elliott. They kept 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.560 the Packers offense off the field for most of the 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.520 entire first half. I thought that you also saw some 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.959 positive signs from David Irving, who came off of suspension. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.920 They go on bye week and they'll get Sean Lee back. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.839 But here's the Cowboys problem. They're already two games behind 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.680 the Eagles, and in a few weeks they have this 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:50.880 four game stretch at Washington home versus the Chiefs at 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:55.440 Atlanta home versus the Eagles. Is a brutal month. I 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.079 think the whole a NFC East schedule and the a 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.040 f C West schedule is something to keep an eye 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.800 on because you think, okay, they're all gonna bounce back. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.920 It's like none of those teams have any easy games 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.559 the rest of the season. Let's move on. Golf out 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.640 of the shotgun takes his snap, he's got to go 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.600 to the ends, only fires down the same lot. It's 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.200 in complete. Football is incomplete. Look around, there's no flags. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.079 Shawks are gonna hang on and win. With Steve Steve 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.160 Rabel k I r O the Seahawks radio network. The 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.360 Rams final drive came up painfully short, uh and the 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.840 Seahawks got out of the Los Angeles with an impressive 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.959 and important win to pull them into a first place 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.680 tie in the NFC West standings with the Rams through 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.960 five weeks. Greg uh, if Cooper Cup makes that catch 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:39.880 on third down, the play just before the one you 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.040 just heard, we're talking about this game in a totally 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.440 different way. But it didn't work out for the team 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.280 of a t L. No, it would have been such 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.800 an amazing first game as the team of a t L. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.400 And yeah, maybe more importantly, an amazing kind of stepping 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.760 stone win for Jared Goff and this Rams team who 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.080 after taking a quick too tend nothing lead or in 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.040 the second quarter, really let the Seahawks control the game 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.000 in some way make it an ugly sort of defensive game, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.120 and that's how the Seahawks want to play. But I 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.880 was ultimately impressed with Golf on that last drive that 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.840 on a couple of those throws, especially the first one 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.440 where he looks off Thomas for so long before coming 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.040 back to who was it was a higbie, I believe 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.800 on that play. I mean, that was the next level 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:31.640 mental ability in a big spot and a great throw too. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.640 So yeah, Okay, Golf ended up turning the ball over 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.960 three times, and there was a lot to be disappointed 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.000 about in this game. Ultimately, they still out game the 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.040 Seahawks three for I didn't come away from this game 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.560 thinking like, oh, the Rams are out of the Seahawks 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.640 league like they've been, They've been phoning the last couple 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.360 of weeks. They lost the turnover battle five to two, 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.160 and then they lost on a drop by their most 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.480 short handed player in the last moment. So it sounds 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.960 like the Rams outplayed the Seahawks and they have Todd 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.880 Gurley's fumble and eggxer lines miss Field go to blame 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.520 for this, but the I would give the Seahawks defense 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.120 credit at least that their defense, which which we love, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.520 made incredible places. Earl Thomas made one of the best 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.800 plays of his entire career. Like when you think of 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.960 Earl Thomas, you're gonna I'm gonna think of him like 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.360 sprinting across the goal line to dive and force a 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.439 fumble from Todd Gurley into the end zone which turns 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.840 into a touchback. No one else makes that play other 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.400 than Earl Thomas, and that prevented what could have been 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.040 an initial opening touchdown. Who knows if it would have 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.800 been seventeen nothing early, something like that if he doesn't 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.040 make that play, and they made great turnovers. Sheldon Richardson 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:37.720 made a great play. Drawn read, a lot of their 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.200 defense made a great play. It's a huge win for Seattle, 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.120 a team that's been, you know, on offense, especially very 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.480 up and down this season, to go into their by 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.680 having knocked off the Rams, who feel like kind of 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.520 the Cinderella team in this division right now. And yet 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.360 I still see a team that cannot run the ball 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.439 effectively and cannot protect Russell Wilson adequately. Yeah, they haven't. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.280 They cannot find a solution at running back. Eddie Lacy 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.480 actually drew the start in this game. He didn't do much. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.559 Thomas Rawls ended up getting some carried the team with 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.439 twenty yards rushing. It's it's that's the type of situation 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.240 that they're dealing with, and they're still looking for somebody 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.920 and you know, think about it though. I mean, this is, 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:16.800 like Mark said, this is such a big win for 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.439 Seattle because if they lose and they go into their 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.520 by at two and three and the Rams are flying 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.920 at four and one, it's an entire different different conversation. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.160 But instead, what we have here West is the Seahawks 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.480 clearly still trying to figure their identity out on offense, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.320 but they get us. They're buying good shape in first 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.320 place in fact, so this is all everything considered, pretty 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.760 good spot for them. This was a big game, I 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.520 really do think for an early season game. I know 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.680 everybody wants to find out if the Rams are for real. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.360 They probably are, Like like Greg said, they outgained the 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.360 Seahawks pretty comfortably. There for real. But you gotta win 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.480 this game because that's what you're probably not gonna get 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.240 two teams out of the a f C West. Here's 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.040 the thing that their last four games that come down 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.160 to the last play of the game, right, So they've 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.439 won the first three of them and they lost this one. 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.480 So I'm not that's I don't think I've never bought it. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.040 They're never not a dominant team. The defense is making 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:11.240 some strides. They were playing in Seattle, you know, the offense. Ultimately, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.480 you gotta tip the cap a little bit to Seattle 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.240 on this. I will quickly ask the group, I mean, 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:16.840 we've picked them as team of a t L. We're 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.040 already starting to get tweets thanks a lot, you screwed 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.800 us and from Seattle fans. Thanks so much that the 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.840 reason that we pulled this out was because you have 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:26.839 done this again. You've cursed the team. Do we buy 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.760 any of this or is another nonsense? The Rams will 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.320 be fine. It's one game. You know, you got you know, 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.520 I see I see, I see you and Dan, you know, 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:37.880 making little comments downstairs the team of observations, a little 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.080 bit of a little bit of faith. This was before 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:47.080 they even had that last drop observation. Right. I brought up, 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.960 maybe the team of a T hell drop has to 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.640 come out of off balls. A little sensitive about it, 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.559 so I backed off. You gotta gotta know the room, 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.560 read the room. But you know, I just remember last 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:58.880 time we picked the team of a t L they 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.880 lost five in a row. So you know it's one 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.760 one drop, you know what. The fact that if he 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.240 makes that play, we're up here singing Hosan is there 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:08.800 the team? Well, I think we're getting ahead of it. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.640 I think I think it's clear the Cooper Cup dropped 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.880 that ball because of the Team of a T That's 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.200 what only was Greg a little nipped by the discussion. 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.960 He immediately instituted a new role. You gotta have two 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:25.040 losses at least it's just logical. The worst part of 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.360 it though, for for Greg, is he's no longer the boss. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:32.720 Let's move on shut ups down Newton fire first down 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.800 grab Calvin Benjamin hitchside, the number of eight slowed by 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.400 Darius Slay at the forty won seventeen yards on third 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.480 down to move the chain Mick Mix and w B 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.520 T Cam Newton's first down connection with Calvin Benjamin was 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.680 the difference for the Panthers. Late in the fourth quarter, 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:51.760 the Panthers jumped out to a big lead on the 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:56.920 Detroit lines held on for a win at Ford Field West. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.240 Newton shook off a few days of well earned ad 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:01.800 pr and is back to looking like one of the 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.680 best quarterbacks in the league. How about that he was phenomenal. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.240 We were on Sky Sports earlier and Greg compared it 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.080 to pitching a perfect game. That's about it was about 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.120 the quarterback equivalent. Uh. Since late in the second quarter 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.040 against the Patriots, Can has probably played the best ball 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.080 of his career. And I know he got off to 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.640 such a rusty start this year, but he is playing 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.920 m v P football and there's some redemption stories here. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.320 Mike Shula, who was always under fire in Carolina going 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.280 back to calling a lot of the players that Cam 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.880 needs to be working with Ed Dixon, who was run 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.720 out of Baltimore because because he dropped everything thrown his way. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.640 They're gonna make a Hallmark movie out of Ed Dixon. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:47.040 Ed Dixon today set a record. What was it was 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:51.160 the highest yards per catch average by a tight end 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.560 and in a single game. I saw this coming. But 0:15:55.560 --> 0:16:00.400 I'm see why you guys, and I listened to Greg 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.080 on Thursday's podcast. The better team did win this game, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.840 and they should have won by a more comfortable margin. Wait, 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.000 what did I say? You said the Panthers were better 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.600 than they are a better but you know, I know 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.200 fans don't like us right now, but the Panthers are 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.480 a better team. And I love just looking at the 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.640 box score that they only they said. I don't love 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.240 the fact that they only could run for twenty eight 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:24.560 yards on thirty attempts. That's unprecedented for a Panther's team 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.440 to the Pro Bowl. Centers out too, which is a 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.520 big deal to be a pass first in that way. 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.040 But I love that Ron Rivera let Cam Newton throw 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.560 on third and nine late in the game, where sometimes 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.920 Ron Rivera might run the ball in that situation to 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:38.840 try to bleed the clock out. Instead, he let Cam 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.680 Newton throw and he won the game with it. Can 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.760 I just ask with Christian McCaffrey, I want to dig 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.720 into this game this week, but seven yards rushing, it's 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.000 another I understand in the passing game, he's a big 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.560 asset and he's being used a lot, But where are 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.400 we with him as a running back right now? Does 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:56.120 it help you to pict your early career Reggie Bush? Yes, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.560 I think that's what his role is. He's not an 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:02.840 inside runner. I think he ran inside in the preseason, okay, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.040 but he's not running anyone over and you get him 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.200 into an NFL weight program. Maybe in a couple of 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.000 years he'll do that, but I think right now he's 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.920 a satellite guy. The usage tells the story here that 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.400 Stewart had eighteen carries. McCaffrey just got three rushes. So 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.959 they're I guess they're they're finding their way how they 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.800 want to use them or maybe they but it's just 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.679 it's a satellite passing up touchdown was spectacular one handed. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:31.080 How about how about the Lions and Matthew Stafford. I 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.040 thought Stafford had his worst game of the season last week, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.040 and then this week maybe wasn't one of his best 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.520 either until the very end. Well, I think with with 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.199 what's going on with the Lions offense, and I'll go 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.480 back to Thursday's podcast again. Mark was talking about the 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.480 offensive line that everybody keeps giving them pats on the 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.960 back for correcting it. It's not corrected. They he got hit. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.600 He got sacked six times to day and hit over 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.879 ten and they've got another problem. It's not just the 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.760 offensive line. Wide receivers don't win their routes. And you 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.480 got a guy paid maybe not like a number one, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.439 but Marvin Jones is supposed to be their number one 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.760 receiver and he doesn't beat good cornerbacks. So I think 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.960 that's a combination that you've got an offensive line that's 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.160 not great and you've got wide receivers that don't win 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.879 individual matchups. Let's move out stealers from their own thirty 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.399 four yard line bags showing blitz again, drop out of 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.760 it again, dropping his Robbie Carter closed ditt hit of the 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.320 the field off, fallers, knock away, picked off, Barry Church 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.440 picked off a tip path or thirty five. It's not 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.080 the twenty it's not the five he is into the 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.560 end zone. That is another pick six touchdown Jacksonville. This 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.959 time it is Burying Church for the score. Frank Frangie 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.960 or Fringy. I'll let you guys know w j x 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.200 L with the call. Ben Roethlisberger through a career where's 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.240 five interceptions and Barry Church had the second of two 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:59.119 Jaguars pick sixes as the Jaguars embarrassed the Steelers with 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:04.160 an eyebrow raising thirty to nine win at Hines Field UM. 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.600 After the worst game of his distinguished career, Big Ben 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.960 said to reporters, perhaps in jest, we don't really know, 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.439 but this is just what was floating around Twitter. Quote. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.080 Maybe I don't have it anymore, Greg Uh, it's no 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.400 longer premature to cast some doubt on the Steelers offense 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.520 and their long time leader. It's not And I want 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.400 to hear the whole back and forth kind of in context, 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.119 like I don't put too much into what Ben says 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.520 in general, like because it's been blown up out of 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.600 proportion Jet, so I would put this in that catch well. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.439 I will say watching this that this was the first 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.960 time that I've watched a Big Ben game and all 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.280 this business with the retirement, which maybe, if anything, made 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.560 you question is he was out for attention or was 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:44.480 it something that was in the in the world of 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.600 his mind somewhere that he didn't know much how much 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.359 longer he wanted to play. Who knows. This was the 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.160 game where I thought I can picture an NFL without 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.160 Big Ben in the in the in the league next year. 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.359 I mean it was it wasn't well, you put it 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.879 sand which was on it, You're you're hoping for it, 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.800 you put out of one listening. So I don't think. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.160 I don't. I think in general this podcast views itself 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.520 as slightly more powerful than we are on some level psychologically. 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.520 But you are looking at a game with Antonio Brown 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.800