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Speaker 1: I just think big picture. You never know how your

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Speaker 1: we get out of here. When I got into radio,

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Speaker 1: and I got a job at ninety five to seven

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Speaker 1: the game in the Bay Area, their number one show

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Speaker 1: was hosted by a guy named John Lund and Greg Papa,

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Speaker 1: and Greg Papa is one of the more accomplished I

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Speaker 1: would say broadcasters that I've ever been around, because he

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Speaker 1: has called play by play games. Got He went to

435
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Speaker 1: Syracuse in the eighties and got hired out of college

436
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Speaker 1: and immediately worked in the NBA at like twenty two

437
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Speaker 1: years old. But by the late nineties he had called

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Speaker 1: A's games. He had called San Francico Giants games. He

439
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: was the broadcaster like the voice of the Oakland Raiders

440
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Speaker 1: for Al Davis and he also called Warriors games on television.

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Speaker 1: So and now he's currently the forty nine ers play

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Speaker 1: by play guy. He's had one of the most unique

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Speaker 1: careers and something we will never see Again, even if

444
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Speaker 1: you go to a market or there are several teams,

445
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: you'll never have a guy that been like called Yankees games,

446
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: called Giants games, called Knicks games, called Jets games, and

447
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: I called some Mets games. It's just not happening anymore,

448
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: but it was recently it came out, and I consider

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Speaker 1: him a friend. He's someone that I've admired, that I

450
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Speaker 1: look up to because his love and passion for sports

451
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Speaker 1: are unlike anything I've ever been around. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of a radio host, like Greg Papa will shut down

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Speaker 1: a bar, Greg Papa will party, Greg Papa will have

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Speaker 1: a good time. He is one of those personalities that

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Speaker 1: when people meet, they just love him because you don't

456
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: meet many people like him. And I was thinking the

457
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 1: other day, like, I haven't met that many great papas.

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Speaker 1: And it was reported last week, well, he came out

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Speaker 1: with a statement that he was diagnosed with cancer. And

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Speaker 1: he's the play by play guy for the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: And for those of you that you know, I don't

462
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Speaker 1: know how much you're paying attention to this, but typically

463
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Speaker 1: in the preseason, unlike basketball and football, there are no

464
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Speaker 1: local television broadcasts in football, right, so when you're you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're a Cowboy fan's the Cowboys Eagles, you don't

466
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Speaker 1: have a local broadcast. They're the local broadcast on the radio.

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Speaker 1: So he's the radio voice of the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: And he's sick and he's battling cancer. He's gonna go

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Speaker 1: through you know, chemo and everything to try to beat it,

470
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Speaker 1: and obviously he's going through a rough time. And it

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Speaker 1: really shook me up last week because I love Greg Papa,

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Speaker 1: He's the fucking man. And I text him. He sounded

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Speaker 1: like he's in good spirits, but he's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to do the football game. And you know, speaking

475
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Speaker 1: of opportunities, one of my best friends, guy that married

476
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Speaker 1: me and Maria in Nashville earlier this year, a guy

477
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Speaker 1: that got me into radio back in twenty thirteen when

478
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Speaker 1: I got out of football, and then we had a

479
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Speaker 1: radio show for years, and then we had a podcast

480
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Speaker 1: for a long time. Guy Haberman will fill in for

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Speaker 1: Greg and do the television broadcast for the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers for the next three weeks. And I've always said

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Speaker 1: I think guys one of the more talented young broadcasters

484
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Speaker 1: in all of sports. I mean, he's already done NBA

485
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Speaker 1: games for the Warriors when they were in their heyday.

486
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Speaker 1: He's done professional baseball games. He does now the Big

487
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: Ten Network. He calls games with Yogi Roth and doing this,

488
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Speaker 1: So you know it's you're kind of torn because you're

489
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: so excited for your boys opportunity. He's calling NFL games

490
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Speaker 1: on television. I mean, it's not the regular season, but

491
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big deal. And yet the reason he's

492
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Speaker 1: there is because Greg's sick. Who I was looking through

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Speaker 1: my phone. We have pictures. You know, Greg is one

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Speaker 1: of those guys that he's probably one of the rare

495
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Speaker 1: guys that you could put him in any situation in

496
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Speaker 1: Northern California and one he either find his way out

497
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Speaker 1: and they'd probably end up having a cocktail by the

498
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Speaker 1: end of it. And you know, we me and guy

499
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Speaker 1: were hanging out with him at a San Fransco Giants game.

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Speaker 1: And you know the way, if you've ever seen Oracle

501
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: Park where the Giants the baseball team plays, where McCovey Cove,

502
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Speaker 1: where you hit it over, there's like that short little

503
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Speaker 1: section right, so it's if you hit it far enough,

504
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: it flies over because there's not like a long stance

505
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: there's a secret bar underneath that area. It's called the

506
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Speaker 1: Gotham Club. I never knew it existed, and we were

507
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: this was two than I think nineteen. We were hanging

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Speaker 1: out with him. It must have been on like an

509
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Speaker 1: August or July day, and he's like, let's go to

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Speaker 1: the Gotham Club. And we walk right up and I remember,

511
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: we none of us have passes or anything. It's not

512
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Speaker 1: like we're there with the media. We're just there hanging out.

513
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: And we basically get up to the front and the

514
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Speaker 1: guy goes the Godfather because that was kind of his

515
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Speaker 1: Greg's nickname in the area, and he just lets us

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Speaker 1: in and we just we just kind of hang there

517
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Speaker 1: for the whole game. You can go down to like

518
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Speaker 1: this little fence area where you can see the field

519
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: from ground level. You're right there with the cocktail. It's incredible.

520
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: But I used to hang out with Greg after Warriors games.

521
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Speaker 1: He used to be the post game host during the

522
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Speaker 1: Durant Steph Curry kind of era, have cocktails in the

523
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Speaker 1: club after. I just have a lot of fun memories

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Speaker 1: with Greg. He's not dead or anything, but I'm just

525
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Speaker 1: saying I just he's just just a legendary human who's

526
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Speaker 1: meant a lot to my life. It's kind of crazy

527
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: how the world works coming full circle. And I know

528
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: it's the same with guy someone he has idolized from

529
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Speaker 1: a play by play standpoint and now filling his shoes,

530
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Speaker 1: and there aren't many people that could fill his shoes.

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Speaker 1: But it's just a it's just a pretty cool slash

532
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: powerful moment with in this situation. So I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: watch forty nine or preseason games, which I gotta be lying,

534
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: or I would be lying if I told you that

535
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Speaker 1: before this situation, because most of these preseason games that

536
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: they bore me, like they don't. I love this. I

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00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: love football like I can watch Sha Door Sanders or

538
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, if Caleb's playing, if I can watch certain situations.

539
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Speaker 1: But once you get to the position where it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Collin's going on these takes about the Lions

541
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Speaker 1: and their disorganization, I have a hard time having any

542
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Speaker 1: judgment with anything preseason. I mean I really do, especially

543
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: once you get to like the the threes playing. It's

544
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Speaker 1: just none of these guys are gonna be playing on Sundays.

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Speaker 1: So but watch forty nine er game. Kay, let's dive

546
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Speaker 1: into Little Mailbag at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff is

547
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: the Instagram fire and those dms get your questions answer here.

548
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: On this podcast, we will start with Steven question for

549
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Speaker 1: the Mailbag. I'm a Niner fan and my brother is

550
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: a Rams fan. He seems to think that even if

551
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: Stafford is out, they will make the playoffs and make

552
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: a run in the NFC. The only team that could

553
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: challenge him is the Cardinals. I know you mentioned being

554
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: out on Rams. If Stafford goes down, can you please

555
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: help me bring him back to reality on the impact

556
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: of Stafford in their likelihood to be good without him.

557
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Speaker 1: Curious your thoughts on a healthy Diner team versus a

558
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: staffordless Rams team as well. Matt Stafford is dramatically better,

559
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: dramatically better than Jimmy Garoppolo, even at thirty seven years old.

560
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Speaker 1: So if the drop off for Jimmy to Matt Stafford

561
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: is really really wide, and I think by far one

562
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: of the biggest stories in the NFL right now. If

563
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford was one hundred percent healthy to start the season,

564
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: you'd be like, They're gonna be one of the better

565
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: teams in the league. He has a hurriated disc. His

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00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: back is messed up, and there is no guarantee this's

567
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: gonna get better. Now on the bright side, big picture,

568
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: this is where the Rams get credit. They said, Matt,

569
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Speaker 1: we're not signing you to a multi year contract. We

570
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: will go year by year. You're probably gonna take a

571
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: little less money here, but you're just too old, too

572
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: much tread on the tires. You're an awesome player, but

573
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: we gotta go year to year. So if you want out,

574
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: we'll help you facilitate a trade and go get paid.

575
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: And he wanted to stay, and they like they're in it.

576
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: It would screw him this year a little bit, but

577
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Speaker 1: I do not think they can make the playoffs with

578
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. Jimmy Garoppolo has been not very good for

579
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Speaker 1: a while. Plus the Rams offensive line isn't exactly the

580
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: mid nineties Cowboys. You kind of got to stay in

581
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: there and take some hits, and that is not how

582
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy plays football. So I would just be out on

583
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Speaker 1: the Rams. Not that they're gonna be a dumpster fire,

584
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Speaker 1: but they won ten games last year. They won ten

585
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: games last couple of years, so I have a hard

586
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Speaker 1: time seeing them be a ten win team. If Jimmy

587
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: Garoppolo is playing all the games at this point in time,

588
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: like who knows, Meggan say week one with Stafford, you

589
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: got it. We all got to agree. It's pretty concerning.

590
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Speaker 1: If you're a Rams fan, my question is as a scout,

591
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: what did you see from cam Ward that showed you

592
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Speaker 1: promise coming out of college? What about hesitation? I've been

593
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Speaker 1: a Titan fan since I was nine, so it was

594
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Speaker 1: really cool to finally get a superstar quarterback, the first

595
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: since Steve mcdair. I was a Jake Locker believer, but

596
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: couldn't stay healthy, had a moment, couldn't stay healthy, you

597
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: had Vince, you had something, you had a rough stretch.

598
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Speaker 1: I would say this. I do think there are some

599
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Speaker 1: similarities to his playing style coming out of college to

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. Big arm, big time playmaker, not the tallest

601
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: guy like Shade under six to two, but just a

602
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: very instinctive playmaker. Now playing within the pocket in the

603
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: construct of the offense is something that he's gonna have

604
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: to improve on. I've seen some clips and know some

605
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: people with the Titans. They love the guy, the kid,

606
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: the mindset, the work ethic, just how much he cares

607
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: and how hard he's trying right now. So being a

608
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: young player, you basically got to just soak everything in

609
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: and work twenty four to seven in training camp to

610
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: try to figure out what's going on. But there's an

611
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: instinctive element to playing quarterback and even Caleb. Like, if

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Speaker 1: Caleb becomes a high end player, he's never gonna be

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff. He's got to be a playmaker like Russell

614
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: Wilson and just find out a way to balance it.

615
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: And I mean the Russell Wilson of Seattle. To me,

616
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: there are elements there with cam Ward. He's a playmaking quarterback.

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00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: Obviously you're gonna have to be throws from the pocket

618
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: in big spots, but he's just a natural kind of

619
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: just making shit happen. So I think he's just really good.

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00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, it was more just like

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00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: the physical talents. But last year at Miami it was

622
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: really impressive. I mean their defense was a joke. Now

623
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: the conference wasn't great, So he's got a you know,

624
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: going from the ACC to the NFL, big jump, right,

625
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: just no different Caleb. Going from USC to it was

626
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: a pretty big jump. It's a lot different playing in Arizona,

627
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, in you know, Washington State than it is

628
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: playing these guys. But I've seen some of his press conferences.

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Speaker 1: He seems like a really impressive guy. He's a got

630
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: to root for superstar quarterback. I don't know if I

631
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: go that far, but I don't see why he couldn't

632
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: be a good player in the NFL. Two part question,

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00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: Thoughts on YouTube golf. I love it, but I'd rather

634
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: sit down and watch Bryson, Grant Horvat and those guys

635
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: on YouTube for an hour over watching a whole weekend

636
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: of a tournament. Second, I'm an Eagles guy, but huge

637
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: fan of Joe Burrow. Any chance he ever gets out

638
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati and wins a Super Bowl or are we

639
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: watching another damn Marino situation. I watch a lot of

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00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: YouTube golf, so yeah, big fan. The difference is I

641
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Speaker 1: do like watching professional golf, but I gamble on it

642
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: every week. I would say when it comes to Joe Burrow,

643
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: this is a big year. Now. You know Colin brought

644
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: this up and you're seeing this with these guys ask

645
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: for trades. People ask for trades all the time. Guess

646
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: who rarely gives a shit? The owner the GM, It's like, yeah,

647
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett demanded a trade. It's like, here, Miles, here's

648
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars. That's not the way it works

649
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: in these other sports and basketball, we need to demand

650
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: a trade. You get traded. In baseball you typically get

651
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: traded too, But in football, like Joe Burrow could demand

652
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: a trade. Let's say Joe Burrow throws fifty touchdowns this

653
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: year and they won nine games, which seems crazy, but

654
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: let's just in some world or ten games and miss

655
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He's like, I demand a trade. At the

656
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: super Bowl. He like goes to Super Bowl, like Miles Garrett,

657
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: he goes on the shows and he says that I

658
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: don't think the Bengals would care. I honestly don't think

659
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: they would do anything and be like, cool, we're not

660
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: trading him. I think it'd be that simple. So I

661
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: think he might ask for one in the next eighteen

662
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: months if it doesn't go well, and I think the

663
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: Bengals would say kick rocks, tough shit fair, not like.

664
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Speaker 1: I just think that's kind of is what it is.

665
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: I've been a listener since seventeen. I grew up in Sacramento,

666
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: so it was cool. See someone in the area have

667
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: a platform. It's been a pleasure. God like this guy.

668
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm just curious if you ever get recognized in public

669
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Speaker 1: on a consistent basis or a bit more of these

670
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: past few years. If so, do you mind the attention

671
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: and the interaction. Uh? Yeah, I've I've been recognized. You know,

672
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm just bald guys, So I guess easy to point out.

673
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't mind it at all. I mean, it's it's

674
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: it's it's an honor to anyone that comes up to

675
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: me and say they list they like the podcast, they

676
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast, they're a fan of the podcast.

677
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: That's the whole point I'm doing this for. So yes,

678
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: it's extremely extremely cool when that happens, especially if I'm

679
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: like with someone else, like God, this guy's pretty cool.

680
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: Me and Maria were on a walk in Tahoe and

681
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: someone came up, So what's up? So yeah, Uh don't

682
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: mind them at all. I do, though, see if you

683
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: were mine and so few and far between, it has

684
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: zero impact on how I'm living my life. I remember

685
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: telling someone this at Tahoe after we were having some drinks'

686
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: So I do understand if you're like Michael Jordan or

687
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods or I don't know if like a business

688
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: like with Jeff Bezos or Warren Buffett get this, probably

689
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: not as much. But like Patrick Mahomes, Like Patrick Mahomes

690
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: probably can't just go out and eat a dinner with

691
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: his wife in Kansas City and just sit at a

692
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: normal restaurant around other people. Probably just impossible. That does

693
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: kind of suck. They're losing. I mean, obviously a lot

694
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: comes with it, the money, the fame, but you do

695
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: lose an aspect of your life, being able to just live.

696
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: I remember Ry McElroy was telling a story once when

697
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Speaker 1: he went over to Tiger's house because they lived near

698
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: each other in Florida, and he's like, hey, you won't

699
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: you want to go get dinner? This was like five

700
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: years ago, maybe maybe six, but I mean Rory was

701
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: very famous by then, but I mean Tiger was like

702
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson or something. Tiger looked at him like, you

703
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: mean like out in public, Like no, I don't do that,

704
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: So how I can't? You couldn't even when you all

705
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: get to the food. So I do understand, like Steph Curry, like,

706
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: how does Steph Curry just do a normal human thing,

707
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: and the reality is they don't really in terms of

708
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Speaker 1: public situations. DeVante Adams throw back to my long asked question.

709
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: DeVante had some comments today about Travis Hunter, and I

710
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Speaker 1: don't see how anyone could read his comments and not

711
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: just go, yeah, of course, this is the whole thing

712
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: about playing both ways. And even DeVante said, can Travis

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Speaker 1: Hunter play both ways? Of course, he's physically talented enough

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Speaker 1: to do it. Can you play at a high level

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Speaker 1: and for both ways for a long time? And Davante

716
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: essentially said, I'm gonna give you a cliff note version.

717
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: Getting injured in the NFL is ae hundred percent guarantee,

718
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: one hundred percent if you play a position wide receiver

719
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: or corner, one hundred percent guarantee you're gonna get hurt sometime.

720
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: And DeVante's like, you basically double your risk if you

721
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: never come off the field, because if I'm a wide

722
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: receiver and I play sixty snaps during the game, well,

723
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Speaker 1: if I play double that one hundred and twenty or

724
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: even just an extra forty, my percentage chance of being

725
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: injured goes way up. So the mileage also on my

726
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: body over the course of a career isn't it just

727
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: gonna shorten your career? I've said this all along and listen,

728
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: maybe he's not. Maybe how could he be worried about

729
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: what are you gonna look like at thirty two years old?

730
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: It's all about how you're playing right now? And can

731
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: he do it right now? Can he be a starting

732
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFL? Yes? Can he? You know,

733
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Speaker 1: I don't know depending on who you talk to that

734
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: scouted him, like exactly how to play him? Can he

735
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: just bring him in a like third and a second

736
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Speaker 1: and long and have him be like an off corner

737
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: and let his kind of instincts work kind of that,

738
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, that's like his skill set. But can he

739
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: do it as a rookie one thousand percent? But like

740
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: over the course of your career, and then this always

741
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: gets complicated if it does go well, How do I

742
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: invest into a player which would be an astronomical amount

743
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: of money for a guy who's percentage chance to get

744
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: injured is double everyone else, Like if I pay Jamar

745
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: Chase one hundred and fifty million dollars, the only opportunity

746
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase has to get injured when he's playing football

747
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: is on wide receiver. He does it like on defense,

748
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: he's on drink Gatorade. So I just agree with Davante saying,

749
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: and like Davante saying, I'm rooting for the guy. No,

750
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm not rooting against him. I hope he does well,

751
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: but we have to acknowledge this is impossible to maintain

752
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: and do this long term if the goal is to

753
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: play at the highest level and be a superstar and

754
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: to get paid the most amount of money possible. Enjoy

755
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: the podcast. Lions missing the playoffs is actually one of

756
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: a couple of my future bets I have for this

757
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: coming year. I would like to hear your thoughts on

758
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: my favorite bets I've taken so far. Lions to miss

759
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs, two to one Packers to win the North.

760
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm in on you on that one plus two to

761
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: fifty Colts under seven and a half wins minus one ten.

762
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: So I saw today a little fantasy. I'm not a

763
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: big fantasy guy, but I follow fantasy websites to get

764
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: NFL information around training camp. A Dori Mitchell, now Donnie Mitchell,

765
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: the wide receiver that the Colts took last year in

766
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: the second round from Texas. Mitchell I was pretty high

767
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: on him last year. Then obviously the Colts offense fell apart.

768
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: I guess he just destroyed the Ravens and joint practices.

769
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Speaker 1: He's a really, really talented player. Now, I think you

770
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Speaker 1: guys that are way deeper into fantasy than me, know

771
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: that taking talented wide receivers with weird quarterback situations is

772
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: very risky. But if they're able to figure it out

773
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Speaker 1: between these two guys, you know, I think Anthony Richardsons

774
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: had some moments. Daniel Jones, who knows if he has

775
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: or not. We're gonna find out over the next couple

776
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Speaker 1: of weeks. Anthony Richardson I think is starting this first

777
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Speaker 1: preseason game. But regardless, I think the Colts could be

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Speaker 1: okay ten wins, probably not, but could they get to

779
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Speaker 1: eight and nine, I would say, yeah, they definitely have

780
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Speaker 1: enough talent on their team. If their quarterback operation is

781
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: just okay, you had Tyler Warren, you got Jonathan Taylor.

782
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: If Mitchell's good, Donnie Mitchell, I think his name is

783
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: Falcons over seven and a half wins, I just couldn't

784
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Speaker 1: bet on the Falcons. The Rams have missed the playoffs

785
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: plus one p fifty I think that is definitely a

786
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: decent bet right now if Stafford is in major question mark.

787
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy at all. Bill's under eleven

788
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Speaker 1: and a half wins. I think Bills are good. I

789
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Speaker 1: would pick the Bill to win twelve thirteen games every

790
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: single year until Josh Allen falls off a cliff. I

791
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Speaker 1: heard you list the top defensive coordinators and felt like

792
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: Spags got snubbed. Do you consider I'm a top tier

793
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: defense I do? You? Just sometimes when I'm just ranting

794
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: and Raven, you forget about a guy. Obviously he's one

795
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: of the best coordinators in the league. Spags, Fangio, Demiko Sla,

796
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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald. I mean, there's a there's a short list

797
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Speaker 1: Brian Flores of just elite defensive minds. Belichick who's not

798
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. But what era of quarterbacks would you

799
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Speaker 1: consider the best era ever? I think if you're older,

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Speaker 1: you feel pretty confident about saying well, I grew up

801
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: on Marino Elway and Joe freaking Montana, like that's that's

802
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: hard to beat. I grew up on Steve Young, Brefarv,

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman pretty good. I do think the stretch of

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers with like Drew

805
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Speaker 1: Brees and Roethlisberger and Philip Rivers, and I mean that's

806
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: that was a pretty good stretch, pretty hard to beat.

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00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: If Tom Brady's the best quarterback of all time, Peyton

808
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: Mannings considered a top five guy of all time, you

809
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: could make the argument Rogers the top five guy right there,

810
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: at least top six to seven. You know, Drew Brees

811
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: is the top fifteen quarterback. I think Roethlisberger when he

812
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: was on was as good as anybody I've ever seen.

813
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: So I think that run from like early two thousands

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00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: to like twenty fifteen pretty freaking good. We're on a

815
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: pretty good one right now with the top crew guys,

816
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: I think it's just cyclical. Every decade plus you kind

817
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: of get a new crew guys to kind of separate

818
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: from the pack. And that was the group I grew

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Speaker 1: up on. Was Steve Young, was Brett Favre, and Treyman.

820
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: But it was really I mean, Brett fav was the

821
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Speaker 1: best of that group, and Steve was damn good too.

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00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: Troy was just on such a good team and was

823
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: a really good player. But I think when you look

824
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Speaker 1: around the totality of other quarterbacks in that era, it

825
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: might not be as great as it was now. A

826
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: question for the pod about Stafford's injury kind of pissed

827
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: this is coming up now when just a few months

828
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: ago they that he was complaining about more guaranteed money.

829
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Speaker 1: Wonder if Kelly and He knew it and just wanted

830
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 1: to squeeze the last remaining money that they could. Maybe

831
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: an MRI doesn't pick up back. I'm not a doctor

832
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: and know how all that stuff works. But to sign

833
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: a contract, you get a physical, even if you're on

834
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: the team. Typically, especially in a situation like that, see

835
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: a free agent. I guess he technically wasn't Maybe he

836
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't get a physical, but they, I mean he was

837
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: around them. Did he tweak his back somewhere after the season?

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Speaker 1: Is this something that came up. I'd also say, you know,

839
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Speaker 1: part of business, especially in a business like this, as

840
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: you get as much money until they say there's no

841
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: money left. You know, when you hear players talk, they go,

842
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the salary cap. I don't, That's

843
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: not my problem. I heard Trent Williams say that the

844
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: other day, was like, I don't even factor in the

845
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: salary cap. When I'm worrying about my salary, that is

846
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: not my problem. I think Matt Stafford would go not

847
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: my problem who you're paying, how But based on what

848
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I've done for this franchise, even if my back is

849
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: a little tweaked, even if he fucked him. That's where

850
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Speaker 1: McVeigh unless would get credit because clearly, if they knew

851
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford had a bad back, they just would have

852
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: They would have traded him. But even if he kind

853
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: of knew, like, oh my backsacking weird, you got to

854
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: give them credit for like, listen, listen, buddy, we're going

855
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: no more than one year. This is a year by

856
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: year thing. So I do stand by like that was

857
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: shrewd business, because it would have been pretty easy to

858
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we love you, Matt, We'll give you

859
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Most teams would have done, most

860
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: owners would have done. My question is about scouts and

861
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: the GM. As a former scout, how much is the

862
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: final draft board is controlled by the GM versus the

863
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: intel gathered by the scouting team. I'm curious to know

864
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: how much influence the scouting team has on building NFL rosters. Well,

865
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: they have a lot because they bring all the information.

866
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: So most of the information that the coaches and the

867
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: GM use once they meet kids at the combine at

868
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: All Star games and then bring them in the facility

869
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: is based on that information that they've and all the

870
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: details about the person that the scout has gathered. So

871
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: that information is extremely important. And it's not like, you know,

872
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: why doesn't AI just replace them. I'm just using an

873
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: example because is not public information, like you have to

874
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: go to the school to get the information, and so

875
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: there is a value there. And depending on the team,

876
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: certain scouts and certain personnel departments have more power than others.

877
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: There are a lot of teams where the coach and

878
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: if the coach has a lot of juice, that means

879
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: his staff has a lot of juice. So a lot

880
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: of times the draft board will be somewhat set, you know,

881
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: early ish April. Then the coaching staff gets very involved

882
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: and they got takes. Well why do they get takes

883
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: because unlike the scouting staff who has evaluated these guys

884
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: for years, Right, if you have the sec you have

885
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: watched certain players since they were freshmen, so you know

886
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: the player, and if you're watching a star player, like

887
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: if you were going into Ohio State last year. If

888
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: you're an assistant GM or a college scouting director and

889
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: you hit Ohio State and Alabama, who do you think

890
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: you ask people about Caleb Downs? So you have been

891
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: accumulating information on guys that are going to get drafted

892
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: in a year or two right now. You don't think

893
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: all these scouts are talking to the Brian hartline and

894
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: the head coach like, so, man, tell me about Jeremiah

895
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: Smith even though he's two years away. So you're just

896
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: gathering information and you know most kids is good, but

897
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: who knows. You never know what could be bad. It

898
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: could just be like, yeah, we're working through some things,

899
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: pretty immature. Got young guy, and then by their junior

900
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: year they're mature, but you have a running diary about them. Well,

901
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: the coaches get involved, and what do they do. Let

902
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: me get Kirby on the phone. Let me get my

903
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: boy Sark on the phone. Let me get position coaches,

904
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: and they call these guys in. They're like, I'm telling you,

905
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: my best friend from college is the D line coach

906
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: at Oregon and he told me my coach this this

907
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: guy's and that's where kind of can shift is. Belichick

908
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: was notorious for this. The scouting staff would set the

909
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: board and then the draft would come and the draft

910
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: board would be completely different. I mean, look at the scouts.

911
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean they're all over the league running teams. They're

912
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: all high level guys. Yet Bill had all these bad drafts.

913
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Well why because Bill wasn't listening to anybody. I think

914
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: sometimes a GM wants to listen to a scouting staff,

915
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: but the coach has so much juice because the coach

916
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: is making three If you're a GM and you're making

917
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: five million dollars, which is an incredible job, great amount

918
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: of money. Well what if your coach, which is making

919
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: fourteen You think when you know, push comes to shove

920
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: and you're in argument a day before the draft, you're

921
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: trying to set the board with the coach and the owner.

922
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: Coaches like, well, I talked to my boy, you know,

923
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: Sharon Moore or Dabbo gave me a call the other

924
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: day and he said that you gotta be careful with

925
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: this guy. Or it's usually the opp it's usually something positive.

926
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: It's like he said, he loves this guy. Well, of

927
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: course he does, because the higher that guy gets drafted,

928
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: the better it looks for him so that's where I

929
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: think things get way crazy. We're in basketball and baseball

930
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: for the most part. Like in baseball, no one's telling

931
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: the GM what to do. No one's telling Billy Bean,

932
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: Andrew Friedman, any of these guys. They run the show.

933
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: In basketball, the gms have a lot of juice. In football,

934
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: the coach gets so involved because the draft process is

935
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: so long and they start watching guys and they're like,

936
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, Steven A or Colin, they got takes. If

937
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: you had to save your life. To save your life,

938
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: you can rotate them as you please, one game in

939
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: their prime, all things equal, Who is your choice? A

940
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: Saquan and ap B, Chris Johnson and lt C, Derrick

941
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: Henry and Marshall Falk, D CMC and Jerome Bettis. I

942
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: think the worst player. Here's the thing with the running back, Like,

943
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: if you give me, you know, D Saquan and Adrian Peterson,

944
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: I need a little thunder and lightning. So like Derrick

945
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: Henry and Marshall Falk would be pretty unreal. Chris Johnson,

946
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: Ladanian Thomlinson, Like I would never take Ladanian Thomlinson off

947
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: the field, CMC and Jerome Bettis. That's a little like

948
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: it's a little left right. You know you got the

949
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: big power back. I probably just go Derrick Henry and

950
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: Marshall Falk. I mean Marshall Fawlk's one of the greatest

951
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: players in the history of league, and Derek Henry is

952
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: gonna be a first Poulet Hall of Famer. I do

953
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: think Chris cmc and Jerome bettis both healthy in their prime,

954
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: would would do some would do some damage. Saquon and

955
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson kind of similar players, elite between the tackles,

956
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: high end speed, just awesome tote in the rock. Neither guy,

957
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: especially Adrian Peterson's not good in pass protection. Saquon when

958
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: he tries is pretty good. Not great pass catchers. Adrian

959
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: Peterson had bad hands. So for two guys that I mean,

960
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: Adrian's gonna be Hall of Famer. Saquon if he stays

961
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: healthy for a couple years, gonna be a Hall of Famer,

962
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: Definitely Hall of Fame level player. I don't know if

963
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: he can put up the numbers, but that one sounds

964
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: great on paper, but in theory, I'd probably go Dereck Henry,

965
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 1: Marshall fak Okay, last question win on this, of course,

966
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: is about Jerry cowboy fan, far from a Jerry fan,

967
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: But are we really gonna act like Jerry hasn't offered

968
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: Micah contract to make him the highest paid non quarterback. Also,

969
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: last season, Micah was saying he doesn't want to be

970
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: the highest paid. He wants to be a to build

971
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: a team. So which is it sounds like his agent

972
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: has taken over and wants his cut. My prediction forty

973
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: five million, four year extension, and the media talks about

974
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: how Jerry overpaid for Micah within five minutes of the news.

975
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: Obviously there's a lot going on here. I think it's

976
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: pretty simple that in any line of business, right, there

977
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: are different people that do different roles. On this podcast.

978
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't cut up my social clips. I don't even

979
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: know how to do that. I don't load the podcast

980
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: to the feed. I don't I'm not pressing the button

981
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: and cutting it up and putting it on YouTube. We

982
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: got a team, We got a bunch of guys kicking

983
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: ass and taking names. Just like in all your industries,

984
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: whatever you do, you probably work with other people that

985
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: do other things. And if you're an individual and you

986
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 1: pay someone to do something, and I'm telling you, like Hey,

987
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: we need you to sign this contract. And I go,

988
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: let's use an example. I don't have an agent or

989
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: lawyer that negotiates my contracts. I guess if I had

990
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: a big question, I would I could reach out to somebody.

991
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: But for the most part, if like, hey, we had

992
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: to put together this contract for you to do these

993
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: shows with Coward on Fox Sports, here it is, and

994
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: I say, actually, could you send it to my lawyer

995
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: or my agent or whatever. Right, I pay that guy

996
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: to look over the contract. And Jerry won't call the

997
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: guy that looks over the contract. It's literally his job.

998
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: It's why Micah Parsons pays him. Now, if it was

999
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: an outlier situation, like no one in the NFL does this,

1000
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: what's going on here, Micah? Literally everyone does this beside

1001
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: a couple guys here and there. Throughout the years. It

1002
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: is a standard process that has been the way that

1003
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: they have signed other players as worked through their agent.

1004
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: So when Jerry tries to do a deal straight up

1005
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: with Micah Parsons, you could argue it's a little unfair.

1006
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: Jerry's done a kajillion deals in his life, right, stadium deals,

1007
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: player com tracks, you name it, oil deals, buying teams.

1008
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: He's a deal maker. Like when you think of Jerry Jones,

1009
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: do you think a guy that does deals. Michaeh. Parson

1010
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: is a pass rusher, not a deal maker. Like Michah

1011
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: Parsons has that podcast on Bleacher Report, right, do you

1012
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: think Michah Parsons did that deal? Of course, not his

1013
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: marketing team or his agent did it all, set it

1014
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: all up and then they sent him the equipment. I

1015
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: mean with a guy setting it all up, maybe Mike

1016
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: already had it set up, but like, do you think

1017
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: he negotiated the details of that contract. No, it's not

1018
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: his job. So he pays people to do that. So

1019
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: it's like like we're going to live this weekend, Me

1020
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: and Coward two hundred million dollars, feel God, the one

1021
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty DJ and Bryce and three hundred ROMB got.

1022
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: They had a manager, an agent, or a lawyer negotiate

1023
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: the deal and then they paid him whatever maybe million

1024
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: dollar flat fee or whatever it was. But like that

1025
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: was the guy's job. So my issue with this whole

1026
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: situation is like if you want to get a deal

1027
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: done and you know Mike is like you got to

1028
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: go through this guy. This I'm paying him to do

1029
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: this for me, and Jerry won't like, what are we doing?

1030
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: What's the point of all this? And I get Jerry's position.

1031
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: If this guy did something to pish you off. I'm

1032
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: not privy done know if that happened or not. But

1033
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: it's to be mad at Mica for not wanting to

1034
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: talk with Jerry when Jerry knows that he's not even

1035
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: running point on this because the agent is. It all

1036
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: seems like a waste of time. I also think we

1037
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: get a little caught up with numbers getting thrown around

1038
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: by NFL reporters, like this guy wants forty this guy

1039
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: wants forty five. Who knows? But I do know that

1040
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: the agent, of course, he wants a cut. That's literally

1041
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: his business is to do big deals and get a cut.

1042
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: The agent doesn't care about the solar cap, doesn't give

1043
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: a shit. And most players and listen, it's easy for

1044
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: Mike and say, I bet he doesn't care either, And

1045
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: I don't even blame him. It's not his problem. That's

1046
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: Jerry's problem. But this situation just feels like it's getting

1047
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: a little exhausting, honestly, Like, just can't these guys figure it?

1048
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: Out the volume,