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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio, and.

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Speaker 2: We are back with doctor Kathleen Ball, the author of

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Speaker 2: a grail quest discovery of a mysterious Knights Templar cave

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Speaker 2: in Brazil, also her documentary The Brazilian Templar's Mystery. And

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Speaker 2: we left off Kathleen, you were in France. You were

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Speaker 2: mysteriously given the keys to just to go off on

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Speaker 2: your own and investigate the I guess the dungeon where

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Speaker 2: the templars who had been arrested were rounded up and held.

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Speaker 2: Once in there you were able to see and identify

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Speaker 2: some important information which would come in handy later in Brazil.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that, but then now you're off too.

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Speaker 2: Is it Marseille?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we went off to Marseille and we ended up

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Speaker 3: at a cathedral and I was just drawn to this

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Speaker 3: particular cathedral, and so my husband said, well, it's let's

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Speaker 3: go check it out. So we walked over to the

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Speaker 3: cathedral and it was locked. So we went and had

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Speaker 3: a coffee and came back. And when we came back

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Speaker 3: and then opened the door to the cathedral door, and

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Speaker 3: she took one look at me and she started weeping

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Speaker 3: and holding me and saying, I have been waiting for you.

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Speaker 3: I've been waiting for you, madam. I learned English in

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Speaker 3: college so that when you came, I could speak with you.

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Speaker 2: What's going through your mind at this point? I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Well, I had had other experiences similar to that. My

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Speaker 3: husband this was his first experiencing it, so it was

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Speaker 3: a little bit startling for him, not so much for me. Really,

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Speaker 3: I really wasn't startled. I didn't know who this woman was,

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Speaker 3: but I did kind of recognize her energy. I guess

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Speaker 3: that's the best way to fit. Anyway, she hustled me

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Speaker 3: off into her little study and she drew a map,

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Speaker 3: and she said, I want you to promise me. Man,

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Speaker 3: I'm promise me you will go and you will do

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Speaker 3: what you're directed to do. And where this was was

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Speaker 3: in Saint Bam and this is the Saint Bomb was

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Speaker 3: where Mary Magdalene lived out the last of her years

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Speaker 3: in intertect thy prayer. And it's up this a little mountain.

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Speaker 3: And anyway, I had a very spiritual, mystical experience with that.

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Speaker 3: I felt like I actually communed with Mary Magdalene with

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Speaker 3: the energy with her energy, and I felt like that

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Speaker 3: she was guiding me at that point. So when I've

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Speaker 3: come to find out that that the templars were, whether

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Speaker 3: they were protecting a bloodline or not, I do not know,

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Speaker 3: but they were protecting a line of spiritual teaching that

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Speaker 3: dated that centuries. And I believe that it was the

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Speaker 3: same spiritual teaching that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were preaching,

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Speaker 3: and that Mary Magdalene continued to preach with Lazarus and

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Speaker 3: Martha when she came into the whole hate came into

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Speaker 3: Europe after the Crucia fiction. So this is what I

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Speaker 3: think is actually the essence of what the temperates were protecting. Fifteen. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so I'm in Brazil. I'm hiking with a girlfriend, and

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Speaker 3: we were up in the Chappata, which is a beautiful,

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Speaker 3: beautiful area. There's the hundreds of waterfalls and these just

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Speaker 3: I mean incredible waterfalls, so just beautiful, that pristine and

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Speaker 3: the countryside itself is just absolutely magnificence. Anyway, so we're hiking,

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Speaker 3: we go down into all the Fria, which is our

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Speaker 3: waterfall in cold water, and we'd come back up and

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Speaker 3: the curator are not the curator, but the I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: The owner of the Champion Prisada says, would you really

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Speaker 3: like to go see a crystal vane that goes through

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Speaker 3: the property next door and there's thousands of crystals laying

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Speaker 3: well over. You can probably take some home with you

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Speaker 3: if you'd like. And we said, sure, yeah, we'd love

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Speaker 3: to do it. Sounded great. So he sends us over

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Speaker 3: to the adjacent property and we meet with this young

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Speaker 3: man and he takes us on this little about a

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Speaker 3: five kilometer hike straight down the hill. We were not

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Speaker 3: expecting that at all. Anyway, straight down this hill, this

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Speaker 3: mountain side. We're in the middle of about eight hundred

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Speaker 3: hectars of land, which is approximately it's about eight hundred

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Speaker 3: hectars would be about twenty four hundred acres approximate. This

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Speaker 3: beautiful wilderness, amazing wilderness. And we finally do come to

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Speaker 3: this crystal vein, which is about a meter high by

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Speaker 3: about a meter in width. But it goes, it travels

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Speaker 3: through the whole property. The length of it goes about

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Speaker 3: probably two kilometers. It's quite quite a distance.

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 3: We were it is beautiful?

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Speaker 2: Was it quartz or what was it? Kathleen? What kind of.

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Speaker 3: It's sold quartz crystals. Well, now that was going to

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Speaker 3: be an indicator to what this cave and I'll talk

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Speaker 3: to you about that in this a minute. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: so we're picking up some crystals and we're having a

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Speaker 3: great time, but it's really really hot, and he says,

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Speaker 3: do you want to take a break. There's a little

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Speaker 3: take a break, cool off, have some snacks, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: We down, We walked down another kilometer and a half

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Speaker 3: or so and he lifts up the bushes for the

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Speaker 3: entrance of this cave and I kid you not, I

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Speaker 3: just was absolutely stunned. And I looked at him and

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Speaker 3: I said, what is a nice templar cross doing in

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Speaker 3: the middle of Alta Patizo.

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Speaker 2: The cross was above the entrance to the cave.

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Speaker 3: It was carved above the entrance of the cave. And

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Speaker 3: I was just flabbergasted. I was like, I couldn't I

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Speaker 3: was just having a hard time wrapping my head around it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, Kathleen, if I could just stop you there, Kathleen,

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Speaker 2: if I could just stop you there, I have a

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Speaker 2: couple of questions. So again, you would not have recognized

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Speaker 2: that cross as belonging to the templars, had you not

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Speaker 2: been given access to the dungeon in France?

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Speaker 3: Correctly?

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Speaker 2: Okay, number two, were you in Brazil? Your your your

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Speaker 2: journey to Brazil. Did it have anything to do with

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Speaker 2: the templars?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, No, I was there.

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Speaker 3: Actually I was there with that girlfriend. We were going

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Speaker 3: to later go into a body Anya because she thought

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Speaker 3: this person that she was working with John of God

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Speaker 3: at the time, might be able to do a healing.

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Speaker 3: I had a liver I had a really bad liver condition,

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Speaker 3: and I later I'll talk about that in a minute.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, that's why we were there in Brazil. We

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Speaker 3: were not there on research. We were not there, you know,

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Speaker 3: hunting down or looking for Knight's templar anything. We were

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Speaker 3: not there for that. So this was again a supposed coincidence.

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Speaker 3: And so we get down there, we get into the

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Speaker 3: there's crosses on the inside of the cave as well

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Speaker 3: that I had seen in Dom France. Well now I'm

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Speaker 3: just you know, now I'm really fascinated. But the problem

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Speaker 3: was that the whole cave was filled with bots and spiders. Finally,

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Speaker 3: when I finally got a flashlight from uh, from this

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Speaker 3: I high healed it out of there, and uh, pretty

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Speaker 3: quickly as you can imagine. Anyway, but I got enough information.

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Speaker 3: I took a quick video and I did a video

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Speaker 3: the US and said to myself, Okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously now is not the time because we

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Speaker 3: had to get into a body on you. We had

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Speaker 3: we had a reservations and stuff in a body on you.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, so I come back out of the cave

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Speaker 3: and my girlfriend Adele Adele did and I were talking

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Speaker 3: about this, and I'm I'm just like, it's unbelievable. I fact,

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Speaker 3: how were the templars up here in the middle of

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is not anywhere near the coast, this

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Speaker 3: they here? You know, it was just it really intrigued me.

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Speaker 3: So long story short, I came back to the US.

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Speaker 3: Nine days later my house burnt to the ground, and

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Speaker 3: six weeks after that, I had a livered truance plant.

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Speaker 2: Oh dear.

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Speaker 3: That slowed me down a bit. I had to wait

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Speaker 3: a full year before I could get back into Brazil

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Speaker 3: to do a more research. When I did get back

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Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, they had a huge fire there all

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Speaker 3: about fifteen hundred acres that went up in flames. So

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Speaker 3: I wasn't able to get back into the cave in

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, and I did, but I was able to

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Speaker 3: was pretty dicey. I had no landmarks, none, All the

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Speaker 3: felt like it was another divine type intervention leading me,

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Speaker 3: three days and my photographer at that point was ready

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Speaker 3: to give up. I mean, he was gotten. He wanted

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Speaker 3: check this one area. And I'm walking along the you know,

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Speaker 3: I know, I knew I could find it. That's what happened.

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Speaker 3: I found that spot. I looked down, I saw what

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Speaker 3: I said, that's it. That's the cave. And he thought

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Speaker 3: lift up the bushes. Sure enough, it was the cave.

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Speaker 3: And and that's what we That's what you see in

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Speaker 3: the film in the Brazilian Trepper's Mystery, just the documentary.

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Speaker 3: That's what you see, right.

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Speaker 2: So the crystal vein led you. The crystal vein led

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Speaker 3: Intuition, Yeah, intuition. I don't know it was intuition, but

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Speaker 2: And so you go back into the cave at this point, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we did.

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Speaker 3: There was still spiders and bats, of course. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: wasn't until it was in twenty nineteen. I think when

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Speaker 3: that it was twenty twenty one, as a matter of

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Speaker 3: and do some in depth research and take a metal

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Speaker 3: any artifacts I was looking for, you know, anything chainmail,

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Speaker 3: anything that was related to the Templars at all. And

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Speaker 3: ironically I had an interview with the Coluna people, who

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Speaker 3: are the runaway slaves from the fifteen hundreds, and that

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Speaker 3: explained to me why there were no artifacts, because when

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Speaker 3: they ran away from the Spanish and the Portuguese slave

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Speaker 3: were in survival mode. So they were just scavenging anything

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Speaker 3: that explains me why I took the metal detector all

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Speaker 3: through the whole thing. And I also found out at

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Speaker 3: once been a gold mine that had actually been mined

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Speaker 3: by the Templars. All the gold had been mined by

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Speaker 3: the Templars prior to obviously the Colunda coming in the

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Speaker 2: So when you went in when you went back in

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Speaker 2: though in twenty eighteen, when you miraculously found the entrance

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Speaker 2: again and again, you know, the spiders and the bats,

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Speaker 2: so you're not going to hang out there for too long.

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Speaker 2: But now you're inside, are you seeing I understand there

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Speaker 2: was graffiti because some teenagers had used that people knew

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Speaker 2: a templar cave. But what else are you seeing on

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Speaker 2: the walls?

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Speaker 3: Well, there were there was specific crosses that and this

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Speaker 3: is why I wanted to get it there so bad

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight, and I was still unable to.

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Speaker 3: We had actually come up with a plan to smoke

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Speaker 3: to see if we could get the bats and the

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Speaker 3: spiders to come out with smoke so we wouldn't harm them.

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Speaker 3: To be able to do, you know, to get in

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Speaker 3: there and look at these these this gratuity closer. Unfortunately

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Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, I was not able to get in

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Speaker 3: and do that any closer. I wasn't able to do,

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Speaker 3: you know, the research that they wanted to do the

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Speaker 3: examination of the walls. But I was able to do

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Speaker 3: that examination in twenty twenty one, and I was satisfied

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Speaker 3: that these were Templars crosses in temper graffiti that I

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Speaker 3: had seen not only down Friends, but then we're also

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Speaker 3: in Paniche, Portugal, in Spain, in Greece and also in

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Speaker 3: Aaron Treu.

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Speaker 2: Oh it matched in the graffiti match.

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Speaker 3: So there so these symbols. And then I found out

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Speaker 3: too recently in a conversation with Timothy Hogan, who is

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Speaker 3: a Templar researcher and grand Master of the Templars, that

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Speaker 3: this specific cross one of the crosses that I found, well,

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Speaker 3: actually there's about five of them, but one style of

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Speaker 3: cross that I found in there is significant of ritual

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Speaker 3: of inner vitual of achieving a specific degree in the

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Speaker 3: order of initiation.

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