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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome to another new episode of UNI Therapy.

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Speaker 1: My name is Kat and we are going to have

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Speaker 1: some fun today. So today's episode is all about imposter syndrome,

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Speaker 1: and I could talk about the episode for a whole

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Speaker 1: episode before queue in the conversation I had with our

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Speaker 1: guests today, because man, did this thing hit me hard?

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Speaker 1: And to be honest, I've had a lot of people

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Speaker 1: asked me to do an episode on this, but I

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Speaker 1: never knew really how I would make a whole episode

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Speaker 1: out of it, because I don't consider myself an expert

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Speaker 1: in this thing, which, like what that is imposter syndrome

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Speaker 1: and its most pure form of me not thinking that

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Speaker 1: I can do something that I'm fully capable of doing,

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Speaker 1: which is just so funny to me. But then I

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Speaker 1: got connected with our guests because she is somebody who

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Speaker 1: has been publicly talking about this topic on some of

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Speaker 1: the platforms where she speaks. And our guest's name is

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Speaker 1: Tanya rad She is the co host of On Air

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Speaker 1: with Ryan Seacrest and she is the host of her

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Speaker 1: own podcast that she does with her best friend Becca Tilly.

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Speaker 1: That podcast is called Scrubbing In, and she has been

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Speaker 1: talking about the experience of imposter syndrome on those platforms

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Speaker 1: for some time now, and somebody thought it would be

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Speaker 1: a good idea to connect us and have this conversation,

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Speaker 1: and it was a great idea, And you're here in

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this that I was having my own

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Speaker 1: impostor syndrome moment about having a conversation about impostor syndrome

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Speaker 1: with Tanya, And it's just so funny how this stuff can. Really,

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Speaker 1: it can affect anybody, and it's not something that you see,

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Speaker 1: it's something that we individually feel. And one thing I

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Speaker 1: want to do before I queue in the conversation that

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Speaker 1: I have with Tanya is I want to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what impostor syndrome is from a blank slate,

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Speaker 1: because I mean a lot of you might know what

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Speaker 1: it is. I think it's nice to have an even

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Speaker 1: playing field, so just get some some information to jump

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Speaker 1: in on. So what is imposter syndrome. It is doubting

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Speaker 1: your abilities and feeling like a fraud, basically, and it

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Speaker 1: affects high achieving people way more. And what it does

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Speaker 1: is it creates the story that makes us question whether

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Speaker 1: or not we are deserving of accolades. What happens is

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Speaker 1: the people that are struggling with this will actually attribute

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Speaker 1: their accomplishments to external or transient causes like luck or

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Speaker 1: good timing or effort that they can't explain. So I

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Speaker 1: did an Instagram poll on um my instagram at cat

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Speaker 1: dot de fata if you want to follow me, and

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Speaker 1: nine of the people that answered the question said that

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Speaker 1: at some point they have struggled with this. And while

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Speaker 1: I am very aware that my Instagram is not a

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Speaker 1: valid research measure, I did look up valid recent research

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Speaker 1: and two things, one that affects women more than men,

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Speaker 1: and over six of women will at some point struggle

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Speaker 1: with this in their life, with which I think is

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Speaker 1: a lot that's for half. So then I asked you

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Speaker 1: guys to tell me what your impostor voice says to you,

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Speaker 1: because I think it's nice to be able to hear

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Speaker 1: what other people's impostor says so we can say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I experience that as well. I'm not alone in this.

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Speaker 1: These are some of the answers that I got. You're

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Speaker 1: to fail. People tell me I'm good at my job

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Speaker 1: or pretty because they feel sorry for me. You got

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Speaker 1: where you are because of luck. You haven't done enough.

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Speaker 1: This comes naturally for everyone except you. You're only good

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Speaker 1: at the things you're good at because they're easy. How

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Speaker 1: can you help others when you were so messed up?

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Speaker 1: You are less than everyone, so you have to work

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Speaker 1: harder than everyone. Everyone else knows something that you don't,

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Speaker 1: and you don't deserve this not very nice things that

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Speaker 1: this voice says. And then this voice that says these

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Speaker 1: things ends up looking like this in life, so it

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Speaker 1: can look like anxiety of failing, feeling like you have

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Speaker 1: to be your best d percent of the time, which

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Speaker 1: is so crazy to think that you can be going

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Speaker 1: a dent of the time. Nobody can do that. I

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Speaker 1: just want to let you know, generally, feeling like you're

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Speaker 1: not good enough, comparing this looks like a lot of comparing,

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Speaker 1: and like we've said, feeling like you don't deserve the

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Speaker 1: things you have, over preparing or procrastinating, and just a

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Speaker 1: general fear of being found out. And I do have

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Speaker 1: a spoiler, I don't necessarily have a solution for this.

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Speaker 1: That's not what this conversation in this episode is about.

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Speaker 1: But what I wanted to do today is just have

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Speaker 1: a simple conversation to normalize the feelings and reduce the

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Speaker 1: shame that feeds those feelings. Because I've said this before,

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Speaker 1: and over and over to say, this shame feeds off

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Speaker 1: of us not talking about our shame. So now that

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Speaker 1: solution is to talk about it so we can stop

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Speaker 1: feeding the shame that this idea lives off of. With that,

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Speaker 1: I also think things that help this experience to be

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Speaker 1: achievements by our own achievements and move away from this

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Speaker 1: place of comparison, which I know is so hard to

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Speaker 1: actually do. It's a it's a great idea when it

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Speaker 1: comes down to it, it's hard to just stop yourself

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Speaker 1: aware when you start to do that, and then ask

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Speaker 1: yourself to pull back a little bit, validate yourself versus

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Speaker 1: looking at other people to see if you are worthy

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Speaker 1: of being validated. So hopefully the conversation that I am

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Speaker 1: about to share with you build some connection and hopefully

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Speaker 1: that we breed when it comes to this. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I do want to say this, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: kind of funny because you know the topic. I forgot

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Speaker 1: to hit record on my individual recording device when we

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Speaker 1: were doing this episode until like five minutes in, so

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Speaker 1: you'll notice in the beginning the audio, my audio is

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Speaker 1: kind of like weird, and then it changes and it

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Speaker 1: gets very clear all of a sudden, and that's because

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Speaker 1: of that mistake I made. And I could tell myself

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Speaker 1: the story about me being an impostor and how I

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Speaker 1: am not good at what I do and how can

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Speaker 1: I forget that? And also it happens. It happens. So

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Speaker 1: just if you're wondering why the sound is a little weird,

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Speaker 1: that's why. And uh, I hope you enjoyed this conversation.

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Speaker 1: So here's my conversation with Tanya. Al Right, guys, we

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Speaker 1: are back and I have my new friend Tanya here,

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Speaker 1: ready to talk about something that we have not addressed yet,

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Speaker 1: which is impostor syndrome. And I need to start with this.

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Speaker 1: I need to tell you this because I was thinking

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Speaker 1: when Elizabeth sent the email and connected us. My first

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Speaker 1: thought because when you responded, I think you said I'm

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Speaker 1: not an expert in this, but I love talking about it,

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Speaker 1: right something like, And in my head, I go, well,

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Speaker 1: thought to myself, how am I going to do this tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: It was really more of like, who am I to

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Speaker 1: why would I? Why am I doing that? I can't

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Speaker 1: do that. That's exactly the problem. Yes, Yeah, I had

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Speaker 1: that moment. I had that thought, and then I was like,

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Speaker 1: its biggest best form. Yeah. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: many ways in their work world and their home life

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Speaker 1: exactly how to pinpoint it. So the more I've been

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Speaker 1: And I think that it's like you, we all have

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Speaker 1: or what does that look like? For me? It started

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Speaker 1: So when you start in radio, the way that you

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Speaker 1: The way you get started in radio is you go

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Speaker 1: because I still have it really bad. Yeah, So in

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to do it, what was a reasoning for

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Speaker 1: you to getting where you were? What did you tell yourself?

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Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I think that it was

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Speaker 1: I was just authentically who I am. So I was

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Speaker 1: And so it was clearly to me it was me

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Speaker 1: I think there's so many reasons that this can come

432
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 1: up and this can be a thing. But that is

433
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: the simplest thing ever, so hard to believe, just like

434
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: we can accept one piece of negative feedback, but it's

435
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: so hard to accept positive sometimes. Yeah, I mean, and

436
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like, I still you know, I'm very

437
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 1: confident in the person that I am today and what

438
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing, and I feel like I have a purpose

439
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: and a passion and a mission. But what's interesting is

440
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: I still have these feelings Like the other day, I

441
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: and I did this interview with Pink and I got

442
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: emotional in it and I kind of teared up, and

443
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: after the interview was over, I was beating myself up

444
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: over it. I was like, damn, like I should be

445
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: more authoritative and I should be more professional and that

446
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: was more fan girly, and I was super in my

447
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: head about it. And when I saw the reaction that

448
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: was the interview that everybody was connecting with and I

449
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: was feeling so like moved by and having positive reactions

450
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: about that conversation and how I, you know, my style

451
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: of interviewing versus you know, whatever other somebody else's and

452
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: it was positive. And it's so crazy because I was

453
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: so in my head about it. It checked me again

454
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: to just kind of Okay, go with your gut, go

455
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: with your gut. Stop second guessing yourself. It's crazy, which

456
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: because people were probably connecting to that, because that was

457
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: you being yourself, That was you being you, that was

458
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: that was they were watching something real versus I don't

459
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: know much about like that field of work, but versus

460
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: just watching an exchange of questions and answers right right.

461
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: That makes me think too, I don't know your experience,

462
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: and I'm open to hearing about it, but your experience

463
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: with therapy and mental health and what that should look like.

464
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: But me, as a therapist, I had this idea that

465
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: one I needed to have the answer and know how

466
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: to like fix everybody that walked in my office, which

467
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, but to that, a therapist looks a certain way,

468
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: and a therapist talks a certain way, and a therapist

469
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: has certain boundaries and a therapist doesn't. And I struggled

470
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: so much with that, especially starting a podcast because I

471
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: talked about my life on here and I have clients

472
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: that follow my Instagram account, which doesn't really put anything

473
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: personal on it. But in my head a lot of

474
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: times I would doubt for a while in the beginning,

475
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: especially which I think it's normal, but I would doubt

476
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: if what I was doing was right because of what

477
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: I had made up in my head about what a

478
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: therapist is. And what I also know is the number

479
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: one healing agent to anything is a relationship, and so

480
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: how I work as I am very relational in my

481
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: client to therapist relationships, like very much so, where we

482
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: first really work on creating an attachment before anything else happens.

483
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: But I'm not Like in my head, I was like,

484
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: I need to be like the old sweet woman, which

485
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: I can't just get old, that sits in a chair

486
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: and nazr head in this kind and infirming and leads

487
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: this and that way and leads that that way, and

488
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: I can be a freaking hot mess in a session. Yeah.

489
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because it's like, yeah, you probably

490
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: have this perception of the fact that like you need

491
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: to wear shirts that cover your boobs and like pants

492
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: and like whatever. I don't know whatever. The therapists like

493
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: professional work where like in a pardigan. But it's like

494
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: if you want to start around in a crop top

495
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: in a session, like you can do that. And I'm

496
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: sure that there's people that want that in a therapist,

497
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't know. I

498
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: think it's so it is it's so interesting because we

499
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 1: do we put these these images of what things are

500
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: supposed to look like, and in reality, like somebody might

501
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: want that in a therapist, somebody that can relate to them,

502
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: that can, you know what I mean? Yes, well, and

503
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: I think that's I mean, half the time I'm wearing

504
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: workout clothes at work, right, And I think that you're

505
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: there are some people that would hate me as a

506
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: therapist totally. That's okay, right, like there and there's people

507
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: that I don't work well with, that is okay. But

508
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: I think like even with you talking about that interview,

509
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: there might be somebody that's like, oh, that was that

510
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: was too much. She shouldn't have cried. But the fact

511
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: that so many people connected to you doing that, and

512
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: there's so many people that can connect to me. The

513
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: way I work, it's an all or nothing thing. I

514
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: think comes up like we have to have everybody like

515
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: us or everybody hate us, or we have to know

516
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: everything or we know nothing. It's very all or nothing

517
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: when like, what if we just lived in this middle ground? Yeah,

518
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. That isn't arting, I do, I think.

519
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure a lot of people deal with

520
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: like I feel like the majority of humans are people

521
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: pleasers and we don't like people not liking us. I

522
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: just think it's human nature and it's something i've so

523
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: I've never been to therapy until the pandemic, honestly, um

524
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: because I just I think the lockdown the beginning of

525
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: the pandemic really messed with my head because I'm a

526
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: people person, and I would go from job to job

527
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: to job, and I would see like a hundred people

528
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: a day, and then I would just come home and

529
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: eat dinner and crash and I would do it all

530
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: over again with a smile on my face. I was

531
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: going a hundred miles an hour and I was loving

532
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: every minute of it, and then it all just stopped,

533
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: and I was doing every all my work from from

534
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: my apartment not leaving the house, like not even stepping outside,

535
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't have a balance, and I really really

536
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: went arc for a while to the point where like

537
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: my podcast, our listeners would reach out and like, is

538
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: Tanya okay? Is she doing okay? And it kind of

539
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: checked me and I was like, I'm not doing okay,

540
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm not doing not doing good. And so I looked

541
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: into therapy and I started sending boundaries for more myself,

542
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: like because I was just jam packing everything now. And

543
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: then I started having more of a schedule where I

544
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: would say, Okay, if I'm going to do you know,

545
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: the morning show, then I need a two hour gap

546
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: to like go walk outside or go on a sun

547
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: run and then I can do X, Y Z or

548
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like kind of setting those

549
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: types of boundaries for my mental health that really changed

550
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: the game for me. I actually appreciate you sharing that

551
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: because I think that therapy it's becoming less stigmatized in general.

552
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: But the pandemic put us an overdrive where I do

553
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: think that a lot of people had this moment of

554
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: like I can't avoid this any longer. What I like

555
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: about therapy in my relationship with my therapy is the

556
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: opposite of you, because I feel like I am that friend.

557
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm that person that everybody in my life can come

558
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: to and I listened to all their problems and I

559
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: help and I give my advice, And for my whole

560
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: life I could handle that. I could handle it. I

561
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: was that. I was that go to girlfriend, and then

562
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: once the pandemic it, I couldn't. I was having my

563
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: own issues. I couldn't take on everybody else's. So when

564
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: I had my therapy. When I would have therapy, I

565
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: didn't have to ask her anything. It sounds so selfish,

566
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: but it's like I didn't haven't anything about her. I

567
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: could just spew it all and she just listens. I

568
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: don't have to say how are you doing? And I

569
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: know it sounds so silly, but just having that hour

570
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: once a week to kind of just be able to

571
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: like verbal it, just whatever, and not have to say

572
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: how are you doing? How can I help you? It

573
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: was wildly game changing. Yeah. I love that because I

574
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: think that so many people I see that. I see

575
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: that so often. I've I have one client that will

576
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: sometimes be like, oh my gosh, I forgot to ask

577
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: you how you're doing, and I'm like, you don't have

578
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: to do that, Like you can, but you don't have

579
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: to feel bad if you didn't, because that's not what

580
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: this is about. Like, if I don't know, I obviously

581
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: ask her, Like she helps me manage different things that

582
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: are going on and like work relationships and romantic relationships

583
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And I have no

584
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: idea if she is married single, if she had, like

585
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: I know nothing about her, and for me it works. Yeah, No,

586
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: but I like that. That's the Really I'm so glad

587
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: you even said that now, because that's the essence of

588
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like, that doesn't make your therapist

589
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: better than me, and it doesn't make me better than her.

590
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: That just shows us that different people need different things,

591
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: and that is okay, Yeah, because I think I you know,

592
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: I I would go to my friends for advice on

593
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: things like that, but I'm like, well, they don't really

594
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: know because they don't have a you know, a significant

595
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: other that is divorced, you know, so they I don't

596
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: really trust their opinion or you know, I'll talk to

597
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: my parents and I'm like, well, they don't really get it.

598
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: They don't understand the entertainment industry. So with her I

599
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: just I know, I know nothing. She is like a

600
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: blank canvas and she's helped me work through so many

601
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: things by me not knowing anything in a super unbiased way. Yeah,

602
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: and I think that that is something that I have

603
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: to pay attention to of, like this person doesn't need

604
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: to know this about me because that would interfere with this.

605
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: But again, some people might want a relationship with their

606
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 1: therapist because I think, especially because of pandemic, a lot

607
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: of people felt very isolated alone, So they might want

608
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 1: that relationship with you. Yeah, you're right. That's just like

609
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: a good reminder though for me even to sit in

610
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: the in in that both of like, that is good.

611
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: This is good and it doesn't have to mean anything

612
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: other than that. Okay, So I was going to ask you,

613
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: and I think this is what you were talking about.

614
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: You was at the billboard? Was it the billboard? The

615
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: words carpet that I just did? Was that? Yeah? Yeah?

616
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: Was that? That? Was that? The pink interview? Yeah? Okay,

617
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: Well I was gonna because I was wondering because I

618
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: saw that and that seemed like was that a And

619
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I asked this, just not really knowing much about that industry?

620
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: Was that like a big, um, like career marker being

621
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: able to do that or have you done that before?

622
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: That role that I did for E. Yeah, yeah, no,

623
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: that was huge, um, because I know it's interesting because

624
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: when you're not really in it, it all kind of

625
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: like looks the same. So yeah, I do a lot

626
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: of work with E, like on the side, so they'll

627
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: hire me to do different shows for Awards season. I'm

628
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: usually a part of the panel and I'm discussing things,

629
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: which is very different than interviewing. And so I've never

630
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: interviewed people one on one like that back to back

631
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: or a big carpet on TV ever. So one congratulations,

632
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: thank you, welcome, thank you. But I was gonna ask

633
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: with the imposter stuff coming up, and you kind of

634
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: answered this already, but I was gonna ask, like, what

635
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: did the prep look for that, because we can go

636
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: and overstrive for sure, because well, the last time I

637
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: had done it, um, I did it with another E

638
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: personality that has been doing it for years, and it

639
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: was Jason Kennedy. And he's a pro. He knows what

640
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: he's doing, he's been, you know, doing it forever, and

641
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: so I felt very calm knowing that I had him

642
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: to kind of guide me and listen. It's very hard

643
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: for me to listen to somebody in my ear and

644
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: have a conversation with somebody. It's like I can't multitask.

645
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm just not great at it. You have people talking

646
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: to you in your ear while you're yeah, yeah, yeah.

647
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: They'll say like one minute or like thirty seconds, wrap

648
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: it up, tossed a break, tossed to the pantel. You know,

649
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: like there's a different direction that they're giving you in

650
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: your ear. But I get so focused on the conversation

651
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: that I'm having that I it's hard for me to

652
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: take direction like that. So I was very nervous and

653
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: a lot of prep went into it. It's like it's

654
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: almost like, and this is gonna sounds so embarrassing. I

655
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: treat it like the sporting event as if I were

656
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: an athlete, So usually, like the week leading up to

657
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: things like that, I don't drink. I try and go

658
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: to bed really early, I eat super clean, I work

659
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: out hard, and I prep every single day in small amounts.

660
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't like to just like I'm like taking a

661
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: final in college, you know, I don't want it to

662
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: be that overwhelming. But I kind of really set myself

663
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: up and like it's like I call it game day

664
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: mode and I just eat super clean, drink tons of water,

665
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: just get everything right. And yeah, I just prep like

666
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: crazy over prep, way over prep. Well, you know what

667
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: is it funny to me? And I don't know that

668
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: it's funny when you do that stuff. When I watch

669
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: that stuff on TV or if I listen to the

670
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: radio anything like that, I do not think about all

671
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: of the stuff that really goes into one interview. I

672
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: don't think about that. I don't know that you have

673
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: somebody speaking in your ear telling you to wrap it up,

674
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: like how I just got anxiety thinking about how do

675
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: you and if you're in the middle of somebody's in

676
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: the a sentence, how do you not cut them off?

677
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: And how like? And so it got me thinking too

678
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: of what we sometimes tell ourselves. And I don't know

679
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: if you sometimes tell yourself this, I do that it's

680
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: not that hard. We should just be able to do

681
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: things because it's not that hard. We make up a

682
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: story that just because it looks easy, that it should

683
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: be easy or it is easy, when in reality, how

684
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: do this all the time when people are like, oh

685
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: my gosh, being a therapist must be so hard emotionally

686
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: and also like how do you like, I just don't

687
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: understand how you do. And in my head, I'm like,

688
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: it's not that hard. It's it's not it shouldn't be hard.

689
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: I just it is hard. It takes a lot of

690
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: work to get to a place where you know what

691
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah, or even like you take it, take

692
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: it out of like a career setting for me, um,

693
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: I always used to tell myself that I couldn't run.

694
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not a runner, I have run.

695
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: Running is not for me, like you know, like it

696
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: was just not a thing. And I one day was

697
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: just decided I want to start running. I really want

698
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: to me a runner. And I started out really slow,

699
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: like I would, I couldn't even run a mile. I

700
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: would run half of a mile and then I would

701
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: stop and I would walk, and even untill to this day,

702
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: like I'm not I would. I I can run like

703
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: ten miles sometimes, but I don't run the whole time,

704
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: and I slow down and I walk, and but I

705
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: consider myself a runner now like I am a runner.

706
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: And for so many years I always told myself I'm

707
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: not a runner. I can't do it and then I

708
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: just tried and I kept going, and every day I

709
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: just did a little more and did a little more,

710
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: and it's like, you really can. I think we also

711
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: put limits on ourselves because again we're scared or whatever

712
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: it is. But it's like, the mind is a really

713
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: powerful thing, and if you commit to something and you

714
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: really are determined to do something, you'd be surprised. What

715
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: we tell ourselves usually is what happens. And you're talking

716
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: about this idea of self fulfilling prophecies, and if I

717
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: tell myself I'm not a runner, then I definitely won't

718
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: be won't be. And that's what I think imposter syndrome

719
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: does too. If it tells us that we're not going

720
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: to do something, then we don't do it, and then

721
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: we're like, see, we were right. Or like people who

722
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: have a like say that, Let's say they have a

723
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: corporate job right now and their passion is like whatever,

724
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: they want to start their own pizza company. That's always

725
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: been their passion. They love pizza, they've been studying it.

726
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: They like, that's that's their thing. But they're like, I'm

727
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: not business savvy, I'm not a businesswoman. I can't start

728
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: my own company. I'm just gonna keep doing this and

729
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: days go by, weeks go by, months go by, years

730
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: go by, and you never tried. What's the worst that

731
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: can happen? You try, you fail, at least you tried.

732
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: I think we think of failure in a messed up way,

733
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: Like I really think that if let's say I started

734
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: my pizza company and it didn't work out, I don't

735
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: see failure as like, Okay, you made that was the

736
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: wrong move. You shouldn't have done that to me when

737
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: things don't work out. It's more of like a redirection

738
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: of like, now take that and then what might lead

739
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: you somewhere else. But if you would have stayed in

740
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: that corporate job and never done the pizza thing, that

741
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: you never would have come over here. Like it, all

742
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: failure is is a step in the next direction that

743
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: you need to go. If we looked at it failure

744
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: that way, I don't even think that imposter syndrome would survive.

745
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a thing. But when you said that

746
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: about running, I teach indoor cycling at a studio in

747
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: Nashville where I live, and I just did an episode

748
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: on exercise and it was more on exercise addiction, but

749
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: I talked about like just the benefits of it too

750
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: for our mental health. And then one of the reasons

751
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: that we don't do things, and I talked about running,

752
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: but I talked about cycling too. Is I hear so

753
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: often when I'm like, you should come try a class

754
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: or whatever. I can't do that. There's no way I

755
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: can do that, And I'm like, oh my gosh, you

756
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: probably can, probably can. But also we have to look

757
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: at what is for you. When you said I can

758
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: run ten miles. I don't run the whole time, but

759
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm still a runner that goes in that back to

760
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: that perfectionistic mode that I can only do something if

761
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: I do it perfectly. And one of the most memorable

762
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: things I've ever heard listening to any podcast was its

763
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: a podcast called fun Therapy and it was with John A. Cuff.

764
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's yes. It was with him, who's

765
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: a writer and he's a speaker, and I don't know

766
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. I really know nothing from this

767
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: episode except this thing that he said, and he said,

768
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: as adults, we think that we have to do everything

769
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: the first time we try. However, as kids, they don't care,

770
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: like when you're four or five years old and you're

771
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: like mom, sognh ap for soccer. You go play soccer

772
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: and you don't know what you're doing and you're horrible,

773
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: but it's okay. They don't care. They think they're doing great.

774
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: And then that is how you get good at something

775
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: as you start it. But as adults were like, Nope,

776
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: I can only start running if I already can run

777
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: ten miles without stopping. Or I can only go to

778
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: that cycling class if I can do everything perfectly even

779
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: though I've never been there before, and how would I

780
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: know how to do that? Then you just sit, sit

781
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: half of the class, or sit seventy five or son

782
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: of the class, get up a couple of times, and

783
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: the next time, get up a couple more. And it's

784
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: so it's true. It's like we feel like we have

785
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: to do everything perfectly. And at the end of that

786
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: conversation they're having, he said, he asked, what would you do?

787
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: And this is a question I want to ask you,

788
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: just curious, what would you do if you only had

789
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: to be good at it? What are the things that

790
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: you might try in your life. It's a big question.

791
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know because I'm kind of trying

792
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: at all, you're doing it. Yeah, Like I wrote a

793
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: book proposal last year and it went nowhere, and so

794
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: I scrapped. I scrapped it, and I'm starting a new one.

795
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just to me. No is like, um,

796
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: what do they say? Rejection is just redirect protection or redirection? Yeah,

797
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm Christian, So I didn't I take it to the

798
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: God route? But yeah, like it was like, okay, so

799
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: that book wasn't wasn't the route I was supposed to take.

800
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: That that story that I wanted to tell, wasn't it

801
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: right now? But this one feels like the story that

802
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: I meant to tell right now. So I'm gonna try

803
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: this and give that a go. And that doesn't go anywhere,

804
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: then I'll try something else, you know. And like, yeah,

805
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: that crushed me again because the things that I'm doing there,

806
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: they're me. This is my story, these are my stories,

807
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: this is the life that I lived, and so it's

808
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: really heartbreaking when people tell, you know, we don't like it,

809
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: or no, we can't sell it, or no, you know

810
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: what I mean, whatever it is, it's very personal. But

811
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: I also too, I'm like, okay, maybe this just isn't

812
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: the right time, and I'll try something else. And so

813
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: I think rejection is really hard, and then, you know,

814
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: I cry a lot. But at the end of the day,

815
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: I know everybody deals with it, and not a lot

816
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: of people see the rejection, you know, they see the highlights.

817
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: They see I won this award and I'm you know,

818
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna go on a tour with our you know,

819
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: we went on tour for a few days and we

820
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: sold out tickets, and they see all these good things

821
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: that are happening, which are great, and I'm grateful and happy,

822
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of rejection behind the scenes. I

823
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: filmed so many pilots that never went anywhere. I wasn't

824
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: a big enough name to carry one of the shows,

825
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, like X y Z. I've heard it, and

826
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: it's all really hard. But at the end of the

827
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: day too, it's not going to stop me. Yeah, well,

828
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because nobody sees the amount

829
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: of rejection you face compared to what goes right, which

830
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: is all It's fine, like you don't need to post

831
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: every time something doesn't work out, and you're allowed to

832
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: celebrate your wins. But what we do is we compare

833
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: our inside story to your outside story, and that's not

834
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: fair to any of us. I'm sure you do that

835
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: with people too, So if I think that might even

836
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: be like one of the solutions. I don't think we'll

837
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: ever fully get rid of imposter syndrome, But one of

838
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: the solutions to that is if we looked at things

839
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: that way of if failing was okay, and if I

840
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: could only be six, if being sixty good at it

841
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: is okay, what I do it? Yeah, And I also

842
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: think too, Yes, it's imposter syndrome can be debilitating in

843
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: a certain way, but I also think it fuels you

844
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: in a way that to me has been beneficial. What

845
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: I prep as hard as I do for things. If

846
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have that imposter syndrome, probably not would I

847
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: make mistakes in a different way, probably because I wouldn't

848
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: try as hard. So in a weird way, it does

849
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: fuel you, and not in the way like for me atly,

850
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm going to prove this person wrong.

851
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not that type of fuel. It's

852
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: it's a different type of fuel. And I think having

853
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of imposter syndrome can actually if you

854
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: utilize it correctly can be a positive thing. I agree

855
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: with that, and I think that that's similar to how

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Speaker 1: having stress can be helpful to depending on what it

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Speaker 1: looks like and how you use it. And I think

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Speaker 1: if you're one of the people who which you also,

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Speaker 1: it can go either way sometimes for you, but if

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Speaker 1: your imposter syndrome does motivate you to try harder, that

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Speaker 1: can be really helpful. I know in my past my

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Speaker 1: imposter syndrome made me procrastinate, so it wasn't as helpful.

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Speaker 1: But I also think there is space for us to

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Speaker 1: think we are good enough and prep and try and

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Speaker 1: do all the things. There's a little there's a balance

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Speaker 1: of it. Can we take the good part and match

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Speaker 1: it with like which I think it sounds like you

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Speaker 1: are doing that, match it with like I am capable

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Speaker 1: of doing this. It's funny because I always I always

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Speaker 1: gave imposter syndrome this negative connotation, like when I spoke

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Speaker 1: about it and stuff, and it actually was my boyfriend

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Speaker 1: that made me realize that a little bit of it

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Speaker 1: is a good fuel for me. And he's like, I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people deal with it, and I

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Speaker 1: think it makes you grind a little harder and more

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Speaker 1: a little more grateful for things, and it's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: a terrible thing. And I was like, you know what, Wow,

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Speaker 1: you're right and it keeps you humble, Like could you

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Speaker 1: imagine if I was just like I'm so great and

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Speaker 1: la la la la, like, then you probably wouldn't be successful.

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Speaker 1: Oh and I'd be kind of a dick to work with.

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Speaker 1: People probably wouldn't want to work with me, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's like, I think it it's

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Speaker 1: good because I think the imposter syndrome is very tied

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Speaker 1: to an inner critic voice. And I did an episode

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Speaker 1: back in October with one of my friends about befriending

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Speaker 1: your inner critic and how your inner critic really is

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Speaker 1: like a hurt version of you that is really trying

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Speaker 1: to protect you. And that's what I think the impostor is.

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Speaker 1: It's like, we don't we know you're capable. We deep

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Speaker 1: down no, you're capable. We don't want you to mess up,

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Speaker 1: so we need you to prep really hard for this thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I do like that spin. We're gonna end with

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Speaker 1: a nice little spin on how we can use it

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Speaker 1: in a good way. At the end, you let it

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Speaker 1: fuel you and and and let it keep you humble

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Speaker 1: because nobody wants to work with and know it all

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Speaker 1: a narcissist. Nobody wants that. No, no, not all know

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Speaker 1: even though sometimes we have to just don't date one

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Speaker 1: you know that. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, don't date a narcissist.

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Speaker 1: That's another episode. Okay, So thank you for having this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I love this. This was helpful to me, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think people are gonna love it. Can you shout

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Speaker 1: out where people can find you? And also your podcast? Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: they can find me at um Instagram and Twitter is

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Speaker 1: just my name at Tanya Rad and our podcast is

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Speaker 1: called Scrubbing In with Tillian Tanya Rad and it's just

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Speaker 1: all pretty much Gray's Anatomy and girl talk. Oh that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I mean we're just two best friends, so it's like

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Speaker 1: friendship things that we go through as friends, love life.

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Speaker 1: Here I talk about periods a lot. Good. We need

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Speaker 1: more of that. We really did need more of that.