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Speaker 1: From a heart podcasts, I Am five five Freddie and

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Speaker 1: this is fifty years of hip hop podcast series hip

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Speaker 1: Hop as we Know It fifty years later revolves around

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Speaker 1: the MC. That's em cee and not the letter M,

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Speaker 1: the letter C. Graham Master Kaz is going to explain

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Speaker 1: this later for you guys. But during the early days

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Speaker 1: of hip hop, the DJ was the main attraction. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the term DJ comes from disc jockey, and

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Speaker 1: that was first coined and popularized by legendary journalists and

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Speaker 1: radio announcer Walter Winchell back in the nineteen thirties. The

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Speaker 1: focus of every party, the DJ would have overflowing crates

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Speaker 1: filled with hot records, each specifically chosen to form the

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Speaker 1: perfect sound that kept the crowd moving and grouping. Graham

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Speaker 1: mix of DXT one of the earliest to use turntables

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Speaker 1: as a musical instrument, and the first turn table lists.

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Speaker 1: It's a dancing story. The dancer wants to dance, He

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Speaker 1: wants to dance on to get that part of the record,

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Speaker 1: so he wants that part to be extended, So the

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Speaker 1: DJ's obliged that We first did it with cassette tapes,

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Speaker 1: so the DJ's obliged that hence cutting records. That's to

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Speaker 1: fulfill the desires the needs of the dancer. Right, they

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Speaker 1: speaking rhythmically over these beats. It's not new. We know

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Speaker 1: that Jock role, Rudy ray Ball, Pig meet Marker, and

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Speaker 1: now was finding out people old enough to be their

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Speaker 1: great grandparents. It's if this is a bee boys story,

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Speaker 1: some dancer story. Hip hop story is a dancers story.

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Speaker 1: The DJs were trying to do what they needed to

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Speaker 1: do so that the bee boants to do that thing.

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Speaker 1: It is based on our physical expression. That's what all

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Speaker 1: that this is about. Grand Master Flash a pioneer of

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Speaker 1: hip hop DJ cutting and mixing. So the rapper was last,

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Speaker 1: and the reason why the rapper was last as because

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Speaker 1: they didn't have a better music to speaker on. Yet

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Speaker 1: it was every DJ prior to that train wrecord. So

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Speaker 1: the beatis all over the place. How did you possibly

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Speaker 1: tell the story? Some possible? Some possible to dance to?

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Speaker 1: Grand Master Kaz rapper, extraordinary songwriter and DJ member of

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Speaker 1: the legendary hip hop group The Cold Crush Preperates. The

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Speaker 1: rap battles specifically came later as the MC started to

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Speaker 1: gain prominence in hip hop. He was showcased more. Prior

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Speaker 1: to that, the DJ was the main man in a crew.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it was just a DJ, but if it was

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Speaker 1: was another DJ and the people who carried the crates

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Speaker 1: or whatever. The DJs that preceded the hip hop DJU,

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Speaker 1: the DJ club DJ's. DJ's like Hollywood and Eddie Cheeba

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Speaker 1: and Grandmaster Flowers and guys like that. They played disco music,

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Speaker 1: top forty grown and sexy music, people that you know,

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Speaker 1: party got dressed and went out and things like that.

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Speaker 1: The hip hop DJ played for the youth. Okay, no

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Speaker 1: dress code, no money, minimalist kind of equipment set up

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Some had better, some had worse. But that's

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Speaker 1: how hip hop grow, and that's the difference became. We

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Speaker 1: were influenced by the DJ's prior to us, but we

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Speaker 1: couldn't do it like they did it. So we did

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Speaker 1: we needed to do it turn into hip hop. But

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Speaker 1: I mean eventually without the DJ Grand Wizard did or

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Speaker 1: Pioneering hip Hop DJ, credited as the inventor of the

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Speaker 1: scratching technique. The DJ's role in hip hop, it's like

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Speaker 1: the two turntables, the mix of the records, the speakers, everything.

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Speaker 1: what they got to do. So the DJs set the

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Speaker 1: tone for everything. When we had to do a party,

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Speaker 1: we will call up the graffiti artists, and the graffiti

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Speaker 1: artists would make a flyer for us. And after you

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Speaker 1: make the flyer for us, we will end up passing

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Speaker 1: the flyers out. And a lot of the flyers had

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Speaker 1: Theodore mentioned the graffiti artists doing flies for the early

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Speaker 1: the name of Phase two. He was a graffiti subway

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Speaker 1: for the OJ car service. These were Lincoln Continentals, Cadillacs,

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Speaker 1: and Oldsmobile ninety eight. And the coolest drivers for OJ

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Speaker 1: had hot cassette tapes from the coolest hip hop parties

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Speaker 1: that got played. DJ Envy, radio personality and host of

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. I mean, the DJ is very important,

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Speaker 1: part of it is actually being the guy behind the MC.

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Speaker 1: You know, you gotta have a dope MC. But if

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Speaker 1: they were they were like in Unison or you look

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Speaker 1: look at Scratch at EPMD, or you look at anybody

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Speaker 1: like that was who it was, Viny Rocket and Naughty

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Speaker 1: by Nature. They're the ones that controlled that crowd. They

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Speaker 1: set the sound of the playlist to make sure they

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Speaker 1: the backbone of every MC kid cauldpri Grammy Award winning

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Speaker 1: but you really came to see the DJ. It was

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Speaker 1: the Furious Five, it was Breakout and the Funky Four.

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Speaker 1: the MC with the DJ's gonna give you a variety

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Speaker 1: a little bit more. At that time where the MC

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Speaker 1: what you need the DJ four Now the MC is

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Speaker 1: the one that's gonna be starred. DJ's gonna be pushing

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Speaker 1: you could be the one man band kicker Pree Man man,

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Speaker 1: what a legendary DJ. Kick er Pree was spinning Back

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Speaker 1: in the early nineties when I was associal producer of

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Speaker 1: putting a movie New Jack City together, Kick Kapre was

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Speaker 1: spinning at a club in the Bronx called The Castle,

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Speaker 1: and he was amazing on the wheels of still when

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Speaker 1: I first peeped them in action at that time. I

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Speaker 1: And then a few years later on your MTV raps,

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Speaker 1: I would feature Kick Capri and ron Ge who they

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Speaker 1: when mixtapes was still early Kick Kapre actually his mixtape

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Speaker 1: style to me replicated the vibe at early hip hop

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Speaker 1: parties that went on back in the seventies, and Kick

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Speaker 1: featured him on my show Your MTV Raps along with

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Speaker 1: Ron J, giving a demonstration of their mixing and cutting

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Speaker 1: Kick Kapree was one of the best. I was doing

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Speaker 1: it at that time on those mixtapes. Cootis blow legendary

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Speaker 1: music and the way we danced to that music. Now,

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Speaker 1: the DJ played an important part. He didn't create the music,

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Speaker 1: he played it, and he played certain types of music

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Speaker 1: I would say the music is first, and well, I

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Speaker 1: would say God is first. God is the creator. God

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Speaker 1: gave us the talent and the blessings and the opportunity

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Speaker 1: and the spirit, that whole spirit, that was an energy

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Speaker 1: The DJ became the focal point to play the music

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Speaker 1: hop is not just rapped. The genre is composed of

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Speaker 1: four key elements which include graffiti, breakdancing or b boing, DJing,

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Speaker 1: and what the MC does rap. Now. While there's some

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Speaker 1: debate over the number of these elements because a bunch

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Speaker 1: more have been added over the years, and that's all good.

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Speaker 1: The four pillars are what I just laid out for you.

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Speaker 1: And these pillars embodied and personified this cultural movement that

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Speaker 1: has been a powerful force for fifty years and counting.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to take you back to the humble beginnings,

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Speaker 1: Grandmaster Cabins. But the elements in hip hop make up

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Speaker 1: the culture of hip hop. There's a music element, the

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Speaker 1: art element, a dance element, and a spoken word element, okay,

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Speaker 1: and those elements have always existed, but the combination of

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Speaker 1: them together and our generation is hip hop. The music

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Speaker 1: element provided by the DJ the cornerstone of hip hop.

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Speaker 1: No DJ, no music, no music, no party, no dance,

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Speaker 1: and none of that, and then no hip hop. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The DJ provided the music for break dancing, which is

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Speaker 1: the dance element in the hip hop. Okay, we danced

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Speaker 1: to the breaks of the music that the DJ plays.

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Speaker 1: That's hence the name break dancing, all right. So the

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Speaker 1: DJ is, like I said, powerment. As far as the

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Speaker 1: culture's concerned. Graffiti has always been an element in light

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Speaker 1: our particular generation, the hip hop generation adopted that sensibility

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Speaker 1: graffiti for the sake of graffiti. Graffiti had always been around.

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Speaker 1: I think y'all him Eddie Chiever said, you know hip

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Speaker 1: So Hollywood and Chieva love those of Starsky at Busy

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Speaker 1: Grandmaster Cadis Africa Banbado was the was the main person

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Speaker 1: Cowboy created the name to the hip hop hipop hivot.

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Speaker 1: History of Rat and I asked him that question. Who

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Speaker 1: When the term became popular and corporately popular, was I

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Speaker 1: callby back and said, Yo, dude, that's crazy, because you're right.

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Speaker 1: My man DXC may not have been aware that ten

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Speaker 1: I hosted Your MTV Raps, I made sure that people

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Speaker 1: MTV Raps hits in nineteen eighty eight, It's all good.

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Speaker 1: We in the Hood. On the next episode of the

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Speaker 1: Fifty Years of Hip Hop podcast series, hip hop is

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Speaker 1: now officially arrived, with songs like The Message from Grandmaster

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Speaker 1: Flashing and Furious Five. Artists like Curtis Blow had big

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Speaker 1: hits like The Breaks and Basketball, and of course, the

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Speaker 1: Sugar Hill Gang. This next episode explores how hip hop

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Speaker 1: in New York City, across the country, and around the world.

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Speaker 1: This episode has been executive produced by Dolly S. Bishop,

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Speaker 1: hosted and produced by Your Boy, Fabbed by Freddie, Produced

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Speaker 1: by Aaron A. King Howard Edit, mixed sound by Dwayne Crawford,

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Speaker 1: music scoring by Trey Jones, Talent booking by Nicole Spence,