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Available now Nancy Grace dot 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: com and register using promo code Nancy or Crime stops 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: here dot com promo code Nancy. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: the investigation continues into who shot and killed just In 21 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: Bodette during a camping trip with his two little girls 22 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: at Malibu Creek State Park in Calabasas. I'm just literally devastated. Um, 23 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: there's nothing you can describe but losing a family member 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: like that, particularly like this family man like this with 25 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: two small children. Authorities say Bodette's daughters were not injured 26 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: despite being in the tent when he was shot in 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: the chest before five in the morning. Back at their 28 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Irvine house, a neighbor describes what he heard that same morning. 29 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: But I just kept hearing a woman screaming no, no, no, no, 30 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: and it was it was just it was startling to 31 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: hear something like that. A young father out camping with 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: his two little girls so mommy, a doctor could study 33 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: for exams. Shot dead in Malibu Park, a beach park. 34 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: But now police say that shooting, the deadly shooting of 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: Tristan Boudette in his tent maybe linked to seven other 36 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: shootings and approximately eight local burglaries. Is the case cracked 37 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: wide open? I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, thank 38 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Straight out to Larry may Her, 39 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Larry explained to me 40 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: what happened when this young dad, Tristan Boudette is shot 41 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: dead out camping with his two little girls. I think 42 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: maybe getting a sense of the place may help understand 43 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: what happened. Uh. Malibu Creek State Park is twelve acres 44 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: of very rugged mountain terrain in the Santa Monica Mountains 45 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: west of Los Angeles. If you've ever seen the TV 46 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: show Mash and seen the helicopters coming in for a landing, 47 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: that's where that was shot. You've seen Malibu Creek State Park. 48 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: It's very very rugged terrain. And this man, thirty five 49 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: year old Tristan Boudette, and his two children, daughters ages 50 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: two and four, were sleeping in a tent on the 51 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: side of the mountain when a bullet entered the tent 52 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: and killed him. Neither of the children was hurt. That 53 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: was on an early summer morning, and the park was 54 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: closed after that. It has not been opened since. In 55 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: the last hours, we learned that the fatal shooting of 56 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: Tristan Boudette there with his two little children maybe linked 57 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: to other crimes in the area. To Karen Smith, forensics expert, 58 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: how do you believe police can link up eight shooting incidents? 59 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: Another guy in the same area shot as he's laying 60 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: in a hammock. I mean it goes on and on 61 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: and on. How can all of this be connected? All 62 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: of this is going to come down to ballistics evidence, Nancy, 63 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: and that means that they're going to have to have 64 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: a weapon to compare these recovered projectiles, cartridges, case things too, 65 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: And at this point I don't know that they have that. 66 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: But once they can do some comparison microscopic review of 67 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: these recovered pieces of evidence, they'll be able to do 68 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: some linkages that direction. Take a listen to l A 69 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: County share of Jim McDonald. Here. Support confirmed the individual's 70 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: location and it was learned that he was armed with 71 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 1: a rifle. Investigators contain subdect in the heavy brush area 72 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: and ordered him to drop the rifle and surrender. After 73 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: a few tense moments of communicating with the suspect, he 74 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: opted to surrender and was taken into custody without incident. 75 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: About three twenty this afternoon, the right was recovered and 76 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: the suspect was transported to lastil Shar station where he 77 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: is being booked on it for an active no bail 78 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: felony parole violation warrant, and UH detectives arrested forty two 79 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: year old male suspect, Anthony rowda. The suspect does have 80 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: a criminal history with various weapons violations and burglaries. We 81 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: are learning right now that in the last hours and 82 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: arrest has been made of a man that police find 83 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: share us find after they spot fresh bootprints going up 84 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: a steep ravine going up the side of it. They 85 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: follow it and then they see a man dressed all 86 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: in black with a rifle slung over his shoulder and 87 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: they arrest him straight out. To Larry Mayher Crime online 88 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter explained to me how the arrest 89 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: went down. We still don't know if he is linked 90 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: at all. That's correct. He is a suspect still under 91 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: investigation in those burglaries. But one of the more recent burglaries, 92 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: there was some surveillance video where they spotted a band 93 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: dressed in black brrying a rifle and that prompted the 94 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: search and it was a massive search of this rugged 95 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: terrain inside the state park at Malabou Creek State Park 96 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: and the ultimate uh detention and arrest of forty two 97 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: year old Anthony routed well. Right now, police are very 98 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: carefully saying we don't know if this guy is connected 99 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: to the murder or the seven other shooting incidents. Listen, 100 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: We're not going to say that yes is or that no, 101 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: he's not. We don't have that information yet. There'll be 102 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: a lot of work done. We've got a weapon in custody, 103 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: Ballistics tests will be performed on that, among many other 104 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: uh scientific tests. Back in June, Tristan Boudette was shot 105 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: and killed while camping with his two girls, and as 106 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: recently as last Tuesday, a burglar broke into the Agora 107 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: Calabasa's Community Center to steel food. People who larious say 108 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: they are relieved. It's been upsetting and disturbing and unsettling 109 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: um and there seemed to be you know, it as 110 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: hard to decipher whether they as a connection, and you 111 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: know the unsolved murder and then bodies that have been 112 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: found and then break ins, and it was just as 113 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: serting on things that seemed to be escalating. That is 114 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: Ronica Miracle at k ABC TV News out in l 115 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: A reporting detectives insisting they are not sure they can 116 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: leave this guy to all the shootings and all the burglaries. 117 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: But another thing I find interesting about this Karen Stark 118 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: psychologists joining us from New York. Karen in most of 119 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: the burglaries. The purpose is not going for the jewelry 120 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: or the electronics equipment or the TV or money, is 121 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: going for food. What does that tell you, Karen? I mean, 122 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: you go to all the shovel to break in somewhere 123 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: and you walk right by valuable items and break into 124 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: a vending machine. But it sounds like he's starving, Nancy, 125 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: that this is somebody who's homeless and or has a 126 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: home but no money and it's desperate to have something 127 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: to eat. It's either that or he's really insane and 128 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: well he can think about is food at the moment um? 129 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: What about this, Karen Stark? What about not someone that's homeless, 130 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: but someone that is living in the wild, living off 131 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: the land. Sounds just it's very similar that it's somebody 132 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: to start so he can't get the food that he 133 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: wants living with the lands. He's breaking into vending machines. 134 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: He's desperate to eat. Well, does this remind anyone of 135 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: the story of Eric Rudolph, also known as the Olympic 136 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: Park bomber. I was there that night on the block 137 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,119 Speaker 1: when the bomb went off at the Olympics in Atlanta. 138 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: Eric Rudolph bombed, set off several bombs and he went 139 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: to quote live in the wild. Uh. He also bombed 140 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: an abortion clinic and my investigator that I later write 141 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: about in books. Then as part of Hallmark movies, my 142 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: investigator Earnest was on the scene of the abortion clinic 143 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: bomb mean and Rudolph had set off a second bomb 144 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: to go off to hit police. That's right, he sure did, 145 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: and he eluded police for years. In the Carolina Mountains, 146 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy with me North Carolina family lawyer Eric Rudolph 147 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: Remember him, I do remember him. And you know, we 148 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: go camping all the time. And to think that this 149 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: guy in California was there with his two little children. 150 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: We were afraid to go camping, and there were prior 151 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: shootings in Caliber. I wonder if the public even knew 152 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: about these prior shootings before he went out there with 153 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: his two little girls. Okay, everybody can laugh at me, 154 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: but John David and Lucy go ahead, Okay, that was funny. Uh. 155 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: John David and Lucy both a couple of separate weeks apart. 156 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: We're supposed to go on boy scouting a girl scout 157 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: camping trip. I absolutely put the kai bosh on that 158 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: I know it sounds over protective. I know that, but 159 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: knowing what I know, I mean, Okay, listen to this 160 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: laugh volume want but listen. The investigation continues into who 161 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: shot and killed just In Boudette during a camping trip 162 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: with his two little girls at Malibu Creek State Park 163 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: in Calabasas. At Allergan and Irvine, where the thirty five 164 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: year old scientist helped with research and development, the company 165 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: says it is rare that we lose a friend and colleague, 166 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: especially in an event that was senseless and difficult to understand. 167 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 1: Tristan will be remembered as a talented scientist who was 168 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: admired by all who knew him. I'm just literally devastated. Um, 169 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: there's nothing you can describe that losing a family member 170 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: like that, particularly like this family man like this with 171 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: two small children at Malibu Creek State Park, deep in 172 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: a ravine surrounded by thick brush. Investigators say they finally 173 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: captured a criminal term survivalist armed with a rifle. Forty 174 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: two year old Anthony Rowda is now in custody for 175 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: violating his parole, but authorities say he's likely connected to 176 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: countless other crimes. It's why they aren't showing his face 177 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: to protect future investigations. They say he could be responsible 178 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: for a rash of recent burglaries, shots fired in the area, 179 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: and even an unsolved murder. Has a case been cracked. 180 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: A young father, Tristan boudatt out camping with his two 181 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: little girls. I think they were ages two and four 182 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: or four and six. He's out camping with them so 183 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: mommy can study for exams. She's studying to be a doctor. 184 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: When out of the blue, a sniper shoots him dead 185 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: in the tent with his two little girls. And that's 186 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. At least seven other shootings 187 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: and multiple burglaries in the area. Are they all connected 188 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: to one person? Now, this whole idea of being a 189 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: quote survivalist. When I hear the word survivalist, that can 190 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: sent a chill down your spine. I always think. As 191 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: we were discussing of Eric Rudolph, the Olympic bomber. Now 192 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: you remember Eric Rudolph was finally arrested after eluding police 193 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: for about five years. He bombed the Olympics. I remember 194 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: being up till six o'clock that morning trying to get 195 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: witness statements at the Olympics. He bombed abortion clicks a 196 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: double bombing. Um, Alan Duke, you stayed on the case. 197 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: You were reporting on the Eric Rudolph case. He was 198 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: a quote survivalist, right, Alan, do you absolutely in fact 199 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: that double bombing, that second bomb. I was standing about 200 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: ten yards away from it. I actually suffered hearing loss 201 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: as a result of that, and have a federal victim number. 202 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: I covered it really closely, And yes, I was up 203 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: there when he was breaking into cabins in the western 204 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: North Carolina mountains, and uh, it was pretty a pretty 205 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: scary time. He actually took pot shots at the federal 206 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: agents who were camping their searching for him. Alan do 207 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how you've somehow made this story about 208 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: your hearing loss, but it is explaining a lot right now. 209 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: Neither one of us canna hear a darn thing. The 210 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: only one that can hear is Jackie. But listen to this, 211 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: isn't it right? Larry may Her Crime Online investigative reporter 212 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: Larry he was finally arrest after five years of eluding 213 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: the cops living off the land in the North Carolina Mountains. 214 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: He was arrested in Murphy, North Carolina by a rookie cop. 215 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: I remember the CoP's name, Jeff Postel of Murphy p D. 216 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: And Postel saw Rudolph digging through a dumpster behind us 217 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: save a lot at about four o'clock in the morning, 218 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: and he thought it was a burglary. Post Ill thought 219 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: it was a burglary and lo and behold when he 220 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: managed to subdue Eric Rudolph, it was a murderer. You remember, 221 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: innocent people were killed at the Olympics because this nut 222 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: job set off bombs, multiple bombs at the Olympics. Now 223 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: that's Eric Rudolph. Now let's fast forward to right now 224 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: and this guy they've just gotten subdued, Anthony Rowda, a 225 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: forty two year old quote survivalist. But I want you 226 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: to hear what members of his family say. This family 227 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: member says deputies had Routa in custody about four months 228 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: ago for trespassing, but he was released before anyone could 229 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: go see him. The sheriff says that Routa is linked 230 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: to six break ins in the last three months, mostly 231 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: outbuildings that were not occupied. His family says they did 232 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: not know that Rouda had weapons charges on his record. 233 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: Most of his offense is petty, that he steered clear 234 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: of conflict. He's always been accused of things. That's what 235 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: he claims about that, He's always been accusive things. So 236 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: and that's school sees out in all along tonight, his 237 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: family says Routa needs help. What would you tell him? 238 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: I would tell him now to tell the truth if 239 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: something happened, and and I hope he didn't do it, 240 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: and he asked my help. You're hearing our fam Miriam 241 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: Hernandez at k ABC TV News there in l A 242 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: and an unidentified family member that doesn't want his name broadcast. 243 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: Do you blame him? Guys? Anthony Rowta, is he connected 244 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: to eight shooting incidents, one of those being a murderer 245 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: and multiple break INDs? What is that to care and 246 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: start the desire to go live off the land, to 247 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: be totally away from other humans, to be a quote survivalist. 248 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: And then you've got the twist of, for instance, shooting 249 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: at federal agents and taking pot shots into a tent 250 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: and killing a father of two. But you know, if 251 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: you listen to what his family members said about the 252 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: fact that he says he's always being accused of something, 253 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: he sounds paranoid to me. Nancy which means that if 254 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: everyone's out to get him, he's going to disappear into 255 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: the wilderness to protect himself and and actually think all 256 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: the time that people were trying to hunt him down. 257 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Anthony Rowda, suspected in a 258 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: string of burglaries, arrested at his secluded Malibu Hills campsite 259 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: for caring a rifle in violation of his parole. A 260 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: close family member tells us today Rowda had lived in 261 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: the Hills for ten years. He was afraid of people. 262 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't talk to people a lot. He's alone er. 263 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: He just likes to be alone, and especially afraid of 264 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: being in custody. When he was arrested in the jail, 265 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: when I went to visit him, he said he he 266 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: was all Bruce stuck. He said he got jumped. I 267 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: guess he dick it chopped. He's alluding police, and he's 268 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: got a rifle slung over his shoulder, and you've got 269 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: eight shootings and multiple burglaries. Karen Smith with me, renowned 270 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: forensics expert, joining us out of the floor to jurisdiction. 271 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: Did you hear those beautiful words secluded campsite? What does 272 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: that mean? To somebody like you and may Karen. There 273 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: are a few things that I need to discuss here. 274 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: The secluded camp site means yes, he was living off 275 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: the land. The fact that he's burglar rising these places 276 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: and only taking food, he's not using a fence, he's 277 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: not taking extensive items. That means he's using it for himself. 278 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: Now let's go back to Tristan Boudet for a second. 279 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: In his murder. This is back in June. I'm sure 280 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: the police did some kind of uh trajectory reconstruction from 281 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: that scene. You had Tristan bowed its body, you had 282 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: a hole through the tent, and if you use the laser, 283 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: you can basically find a general area that would have 284 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: been used for a sniper's nest, some kind of clearing 285 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: on a plateau with a line of sight to the target. 286 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: Once you get there, are their food wrappers? Are their 287 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: cans and cigarette butt from these burglaries that he's been 288 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: leaving behind. If he's waiting for his targets, he's gone 289 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: to eat, he's gonna drink. Perhaps DNA and fingerprints from 290 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: those pieces of evidence can come back to this guy. 291 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 1: Now that we have a rifle, we can do some 292 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: functionality tests and also do some test firings of that rifle, 293 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: use those projectiles from that rifle and the ammunition, and 294 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: compare it to Tristan Baudet's murder and these other eight cases, 295 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: and see if the police can finally link him to 296 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: these crimes and get him off the streets. Karen Smith, 297 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: forensic sexpert. It sounds like you're singing in a symphony 298 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: an opera to me right now explaining how these cases 299 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: can be linked together. But when I heard the words 300 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: um secluded camp site, what that says to me is evidence, evidence, evidence, fingerprints, 301 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: gunsll CA sings. Uh, maybe i'ms belonging to some of 302 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: the victims or from the burglary locations. That's what I'm 303 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: talking about. Listen. Deputies found no tactical gear and the 304 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: items they seized. Ballistics tests are underway to determine whether 305 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: Roun his rifle is tied to a fatal shooting at 306 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: Malibu Creek Park, a bullet fired from afar hitting Tristan 307 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: Boudette inside his tent on June twenty two as he 308 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: camped with his two young daughters. I don't think Anthony 309 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: will do that. I don't know him as a violent person. 310 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: I know that the only weapon that he would carry 311 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: was a knife, which he uses to camp out. Right now, 312 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: ballistics tests underway to determine if all the shootings, possibly 313 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: all the burglaries are connected. We wait as justice unfolds, 314 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: and the family of Tristan Boudette waits along with us. 315 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: I want my children safe, don't you? But are we 316 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: all doing everything we can to protect them? Safety and 317 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: security is priceless. Don't wait to plan and prepare until 318 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: it's too late. I can't stop predators from being in 319 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: this world, but I can sound the warning and pass 320 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: on to you what I have learned about keeping your 321 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: children and family safe. And that is why we are 322 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: launching a brand new online education course, Justice Nation. 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And that's the beauty of our recovery 338 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: and which we all stepped and all that it's really about. 339 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: It's not impossible, and he is the proof of it 340 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: because because look at him, and look at me, look 341 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: at me, and look at you, look at me, look 342 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: at me. You are hearing the family of Farah Fawcett 343 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: in a very rare interview by our partner Allen. Do 344 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: you joining us in l A that was with Ryan O'Neill, 345 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: Tatum O'Neill and Redmond O'Neill. Of course, far Of Fawcett 346 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: passed away with cancer. Why does her son keep turning 347 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: up in court with one crime after the next. I mean, 348 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: it's he Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 349 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: being with us. Straight out to Alexis Arrest Chuck Radar 350 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: Online investigative reporter Alexis Why is fair face son back 351 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: in jail? Why was he in court? And do you 352 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: believe that all of his crimes are because of his addiction. 353 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: Redmond O'Neill, who is thirty three years old, now he 354 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: was back in court. He was arrested this spring because 355 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: he allegedly went on a three day crimes three. At first, 356 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: he was arrested for robbing a seven eleven. Police arrested him. 357 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: He had apparently tried to rob a seven eleven, try 358 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: to steal money from the from the cashier. Then realized 359 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: that there had been a string of assaults in the 360 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: same area in Venice, California over the last maybe seventy 361 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: two hours preceding the arrest at the seven eleven, and 362 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: they connected it to him. So what it is is 363 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: multiple people have come forward and said that Redmond attacked them. 364 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: They said that he was holding a beer bottle, he 365 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: punched them, he hit them, he beat them up. And 366 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: so he's now been charged with attempted murder. So he 367 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: is behind bars for that crime. Spur Okay White a minute, 368 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: White a minute, White a minute. At first I was 369 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: about to break in and say if he were not 370 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: the son of fair Flaws at Ryan O'Neill, he'd be 371 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: doing twenty to life. But now I'm hearing attempted murder 372 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: because he beat somebody up and he had a beer bottle. 373 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: That's not attempted murder even to me. Okay, So where 374 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: are we getting attempted murder? Did he did he have 375 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: the beer bottle broken? Where he's threatened to cut people? 376 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: Did he have a gun? Where? Where are we getting 377 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: an attempted murder charge? So he knocked this complete stranger 378 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: to the ground. The man has said. Man's actually filed 379 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: a civil lawsuit against him, but he has said that 380 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: he was just walking by Redmond. Redmond looked at him, 381 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: started attacking him, and then he beat him. He literally 382 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: he was knocked to the ground. He started kicking him. 383 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: He was smashing his head into the ground and using 384 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: a broken beer bottle to cut him. That he cut 385 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: his head and then he smashed his face into the ground. 386 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: The man said, I literally thought everyone was going to die. 387 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: In the court documents, when you're saying a broken beer bottle, 388 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: that's a whole another thing. When you said he was 389 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: holding a beer bottle, I mean for all, and I 390 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: was taking a swig out of it. But when you 391 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: have a broken beer bottle and you're holding it by 392 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: the neck and threatening somebody with it and cutting someone 393 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: with it, that I could see being construed as attempted murder. 394 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: With me an all Star panel analyzing what has just happened, 395 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: we are now learning that Ryan O'Neill and Farah Fawcett 396 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: son Redmond O'Neill quote suicidal in jail, says his attorney 397 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: in court. He remains in jail on attempted murder, robbery, 398 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: and drug charges and allegedly his state is deteriorating into suicidal. 399 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: But listen to this rare interview obtained by Alan ge 400 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: a Lot. I don't know how well I'm doing. Redmond 401 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: is doing extremely well. He is recovering from terrible a disease. 402 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: He seems to have cured himself. Were thrilled about that, 403 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: and that's why he's here, because because stay let in 404 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: my face and let everybody know that I'm doing good. 405 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: You know it's right, And how handsome he is, and 406 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: how much he looks like fair and how proud she 407 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: would be, and how lucky I am that I could 408 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: at least be here. You're hearing, Uh, Alan, who's with us? 409 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: Right now, Alan's sooner be with Ryan Tatum and Redmond O'Neill, 410 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: and a special guest joining me right now, my longtime friend, 411 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: drug addiction specialist, Brad Lamb. Brad. When I hear him talking, Redmond, um, 412 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: not Ryan so much, because from from what we've learned, 413 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: the children grew up in a very let me just say, 414 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: volatile home. That that's not good for anybody. But when 415 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: I hear Redmond the sun speaking, so full of hope, 416 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: so full of promise, and now he's suicidal in jail 417 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: after all of these antics. Their crimes are not antics. 418 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: That's painting it with the wrong brush, their crimes. Brad, 419 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: what happened? Oh god, it's that's the tragedy of relapse 420 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: and recovery. You know. I I followed his case for 421 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: a long time, and certainly that I'm fifty two. So 422 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: I grew up with Katum O'Neil, as you know, the 423 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: beautiful child actress from Paper Moon who worked with their 424 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: father and you know, very well loved family and uh 425 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: they've just been agonized, agonizing with addiction for decades, you know. 426 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: So what happened? He relapsed, you know, and that the 427 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: line between recovering and relapses very fine for for many people. 428 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: I stopped placing bets on people a long time ago, 429 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: because sometimes the ones you think that are really gonna 430 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: take it on the road and and make it, make 431 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: it work for years. Uh you know, instead it's a 432 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: series of, you know, better situations than it was. So 433 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: I feel bad for him, Uh certainly for the family. 434 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: I do too, Brad, because you know, of course I 435 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: feel worse for an innocent victim who's attacked and beaten 436 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: with their face pounded into the cement and cut with 437 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: a beer bottle. But I also I feel horrible for 438 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: him because thereby the grace of God goes goes me 439 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: or my children one day. I mean, I remember him 440 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: growing up, Brad, just like you and so cute guys 441 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: with me. Is Brad Lamb, the founder of Breathe Life 442 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: Healing Centers. He is an intervention an educator, the author 443 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: of How to Help the One You Love, A New 444 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: Way to Intervene. Brad, I I really believe that with Redmond, 445 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: they've tried at all. What now what can they possibly 446 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, hold on, Brad, listen to 447 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: Richard Pentel, his lawyer. Can you tell us what Redman 448 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: told Judge Chinan and the court in the hearing this morning. Well, 449 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: it was very moving. I mean, Judge Tynan is a 450 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: very very hands on judge and a very hands on individual. 451 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: He's very caring judge, you have to be to run 452 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: this drug court. And he basically asked Redmond what was 453 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: going on before in his first sixty days and what's 454 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: going on now and what's the difference. And uh, Redmond, 455 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: being very very honest, had said that he had since 456 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: he was fourteen years old. He's been in treatment numerous times, 457 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: but he's never applied himself. He was going through the 458 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: motions each of those times, and this time he said, uh, 459 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: he's very sincere, he's very genuine. He wants it, he 460 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: wants this program. He wants to say stay clean. So 461 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: what he was going through was actually, in my view, 462 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: and I think, as Redmond expressed it, growing pains learning 463 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: what is expected of him in treatment because he's never 464 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: really given it his heart and his soul before learning 465 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: what's expected of him doing it, and then on top 466 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: of that, complying with what Judge Tynan wanted, which is 467 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: going above and beyond the call of duty in treatment. 468 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 1: And that was the process that I think Judge Tynan 469 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: is now aware of that. Redmond before had really just 470 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: been skating through. I think he might have even said 471 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: skating through or going through the motions. Now he's no 472 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: longer doing that. Redmond before had really just been skating through. 473 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: I think he might have even said skating through or 474 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: going through the motions. Now he's no longer doing that. 475 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: I found that very genuine and very moving. I think 476 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: the judge was touched by that also. Judge Tinan asked 477 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: him why what what changed in Redmond? Why the turnaround? 478 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: Can you tell us what Redman said about that? Well? 479 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: In court he wanted he was very I want to 480 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: stay clean. I want to stay clean, joining me Brad Lamb, interventionist, 481 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: the founder of Breathe Life clinics all across the country 482 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: and author Brad I want to stay clean. That that 483 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: just breaks my heart to even hear it. Well, it's 484 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: a great cry of anybody's handing before a judge. I mean, honestly, 485 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm incredibly compassionate, and you know, just from a public 486 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: safety standpoint, he is a broken bottle. He's not not 487 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: his first time in court, of course, he's you know, 488 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: in front of the judge, everybody cries and wants compassion, 489 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: but it would be he's in a tough spot. I 490 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: think he's probably going to, you know, have a rough 491 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: go of it now that he's back in jail. I mean, 492 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: I I appreciate drug court and I support people being 493 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: mandated into treatment rather than cooling their deals in jail. 494 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: But you know, I think it has to be a 495 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: community standard too when the public safety is at aches. 496 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 1: And I think that the things that are interesting this 497 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: year to are you know, the family not showing up 498 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: in court. I think families go through it too, and 499 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: uh go through the stages of grief and loss and 500 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: and then the thing I think that when a family 501 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: falls into apathy, that's the that's the hardest probably stage 502 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: to get back from because you know, when when hope 503 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: is lost again. Let me go to Alexis Russ Chuck 504 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,239 Speaker 1: Brad Lamb brings up to important questions. One prosecutors are 505 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: alleging he did stab somebody that could have been fatal 506 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: with a broken beer bottle. And is it true, Alexis, 507 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: you were there in court? Did his family not appear? 508 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: They did not? His lawyer has said repeatedly over the 509 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: last few months in court that Ryan O'Neil is very sick. 510 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: We have not seen Ryan. No one has seen him. 511 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: They will not elaborate on what is wrong with Ryan. 512 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: But there was one person there. There was his lawyer, 513 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: and there was a woman there and her name is 514 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: Mela Murphy and she was Farah's hairdresser and longtime friend. 515 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: She was by far aside when she died. She has 516 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: now written a letter to the judge on behalf of Redmond, 517 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: as has his father. But no one else was in court. Okay, 518 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: you know what I hear what Brad Lamb is saying, 519 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: drug addiction specialist, but you know, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina 520 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: family lawyer for the parent not to be in court. 521 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. And I hear what 522 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: Brad is saying that the family is numb at this point. 523 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 1: But his mom has passed away Fara Fauce that has 524 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: passed away after battle with cancer, but his dad is 525 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: still alive and could have been in court. I don't 526 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: get it. I read an article that Redmond says, it's 527 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: not the drugs, it's the impact of the abuse and 528 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: the psychological trauma of being raised in the environment that 529 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: I was raised in. Clearly he was a circle put 530 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: into a square and that on top of his drug 531 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: addictions have created such a sad story. You know, it's 532 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: amazing to me. Back to Brad Lamb, drug addictions specialist. Brad, 533 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, if you look at them on the outside, 534 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: if you look at Ryan O'Neill, handsome to fair fauce, 535 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous, to two beautiful children, and they have it all. 536 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: They have looks, talent, money, the works, They've got it all. 537 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: How in the world did that family descend into allegations, 538 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: allegations that Ryan O'Neil would just punch Redmond in the 539 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: face as a child. You know that the odds of 540 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: nonsense and chaos and chrisis happening in the home of 541 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: a person who's in active addiction, you know, he goes 542 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: up seventy times the possibility that a child will grow 543 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: uth addicted if if the parents are addicted to and 544 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: so I think you look at the system and it's 545 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: not I think it's not fair to blame it on 546 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: the Hollywood lifestyle. I think often theos and crisis of 547 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: growing up in an addicted home, but half of Americans 548 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: can relate to that. You know, Nancy that I'm I'm 549 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: the guy that is a consummate sub border of drug 550 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: court and for diversion into treatment rather than jail. But 551 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: if I were that judge, I would I would not 552 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: put him back into another program. I would let him 553 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: cool as feels in jail for a while. I agree, Brad, 554 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: And that was a tough issue I had as a 555 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: prosecutor because there were not enough treatment programs. I couldn't 556 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: get people that needed treatment into treatment. They were all full. 557 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: You could sit in jail for eighteen months waiting to 558 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: get into a six week program and there's no answers. 559 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: But I do recall this very clearly an interview with 560 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: Griffin O'Neill, the son of Ryan O'Neill, who painted a 561 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: very scary picture to Karen Start, New York psychologist, claiming 562 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: to my friend Larry King that his father, Ryan O'Neill, 563 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: tried to shoot him. Griffin Redman's brother and habitually party 564 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: with Redmond and did drugs with and around his son Redmond, 565 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: and was responsible for Reman O'Neil's drug problems, and then 566 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: he topped it all off, which is really neither here 567 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: nor there that Ryan O'Neill did not recognize his own daughter, 568 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: Tatum O'Neill at Fairest funeral and actually kind of hit 569 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: on her, asked her to go away and get a 570 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: drink with him. Now you know what, Karen Stark with 571 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: your father doing drugs with you? If that's true, those 572 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: are allegations by Ryan O'Neill's son, Griffin. I mean, this 573 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: guy didn't have a chance. And I am agreeing with Brad. 574 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: You hold a broken beer bottle at somebody, you stabbed 575 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: them without you're going to jail, You're staying there. I 576 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: want him to have treatment, but I don't see that's possible. 577 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: Maybe when he gets out of jail he can have 578 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: treatment as a condition of his release. But who has 579 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: a chance when you grow up and your parents are 580 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: doing drugs with you. It's not just that. I think 581 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: it's two separate issues, Nancy. One is that he did 582 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: grow up in that sordid background. And if you look 583 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: at him and you see that his sister Cadence, they 584 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: have the same father, also had a drug problem. Griffin did, 585 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: so there is probably a long Ryan's family line a 586 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: propensity too has an addiction alcohol and substance abuse. But 587 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: then you take a look at the environment, you combine 588 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: those two things, and this is a horrendous environment. And 589 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: so you're correct. He never had a chance. However, his 590 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: sister was able to manage to live her life and 591 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: this poor kid, he could never get himself together. Wait 592 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,479 Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, Alexis Terress shut uh writer 593 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter. Didn't Tatumonial get busted on cocaine? 594 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 1: Yes she did. She was arrested in New York City. Laura, 595 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: is he trying to buy cocaine? Crack cocaine? So what now, 596 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: Alexis Terres shut you were in corn what's going to 597 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: happen next? His lawyer begged the judge. What they're asking 598 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: for is a redman to get some mental health help. 599 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: She begged the judge because she said his state is 600 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: deteriorating so much that he is suicidal. And this really 601 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: seemed to shock the judge because the prosecutor said, we 602 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 1: have somebody that can come and meet with Redmond. They'll 603 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: meet him, they'll have a report by mid December and 604 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: we will know. And the judge said, no, that is 605 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,479 Speaker 1: not acceptably, that this is unacceptable, This is too far away. 606 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: You need to find a doctor that can get to 607 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: Redmond immediately. And his lawyer said again, she said, I 608 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: don't think he's going to make it. They have eyes 609 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,479 Speaker 1: on him in jail, but he is suicidal and I'm 610 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: very worried about him. So they are trying desperately to 611 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: get him mental health. But it's going to take a 612 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: little while mental health help. It's been transferred to a 613 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: mental health court. This was not even in the criminal court. 614 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: This is the judge trying to get him some help, 615 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: and they're going to try to find somebody who can 616 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: meet with him and then provide a report recommendation to 617 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: the court whether or not Redmond should even be in 618 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: jail or whether he should just be put directly into 619 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: a mental institution. Let me tell you something. I want 620 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: him to have addiction help. I want him to have counseling. 621 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: I want him to have emotional mental help. But you 622 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: rob a convenience store with a up and you attack 623 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: somebody on the street, beat their face into the cement, 624 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: slice them up with a broken beer bottle. You gotta 625 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: do jail time. End of story. Nancy Grace Crime Stories 626 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: signing off, Goodbye friend,