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Speaker 1: Welcome back to my fourth episode of What in the Winkler. Today,
Speaker 1: we have a very special guest. He had no choice,
Speaker 1: so he's here. My father say, hello.
Speaker 2: Hi, how are you? Well? You know what, I'm very
Speaker 2: happy to be here and to support you.
Speaker 1: I'm happy you're here too, because.
Speaker 2: My wife, your mom, is out of town.
Speaker 1: She's out of town. So I need your help and
Speaker 1: you came through. Right before we started this, we had
Speaker 1: a phone emergency. You have changed the color of your
Speaker 1: phone to be tinted pink. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Well? I was playing around in the in the generals
Speaker 2: and my phone now is pink, which I don't mind.
Speaker 2: I wear pink shirts.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't. It's absolutely maddening. We need to change.
Speaker 2: Well, remember this, this is really important though it's my phone,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: But like I have to help you with your socials.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm never going to ask you again.
Speaker 1: Well, we know you will or else. You just put
Speaker 1: stuff up there and we need to take it down.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't even realize sometimes when you're putting it up.
Speaker 2: No, that is true, that is true. Oh you know
Speaker 2: what I'm on the Jennifer Hudson Show today. I did
Speaker 2: it yesterday.
Speaker 1: Who told you about that clip you did? That's right?
Speaker 2: Your your friends sent you me dancing down the hall
Speaker 2: in order to get to the stage.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: And I had a most wonderful time on that show.
Speaker 1: And is it on your Instagram now? It is?
Speaker 2: Well, you put it there. Sure pink is maddening. Sure
Speaker 2: you figured out how to get past the pink.
Speaker 1: You're so welcome, Thank you anytime. That's what I'm here for. Well,
Speaker 1: I wanted to just talk a little bit about how
Speaker 1: my life choice have been different from from what you do.
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to be an actress, but only to
Speaker 1: be famous, right right? I think I said that once?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, But you know the thing is that, for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, the real truth is it was not you
Speaker 2: were not cut out to do it. You were. You
Speaker 2: have a great personality to use you. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: not excuse.
Speaker 1: Me, I'm cut out for anything I put my mind too.
Speaker 2: Well, you didn't put your mind to that because my
Speaker 2: agent called me, who sent you on a call, and
Speaker 2: said it would be great if your daughter looked at
Speaker 2: the script before she went in.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand I thought that they just wanted, you know,
Speaker 1: like I didn't understand.
Speaker 2: I trained for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Babe, that's you. I just like fly by the seat
Speaker 1: of my pants, by the way you do. I want
Speaker 1: to say something. I didn't ask to be sent out
Speaker 1: on an audition. Your agent heard me speak at your
Speaker 1: sixtieth birthday party and asked me to go on.
Speaker 2: That's true. That is exactly drunk. She had a little
Speaker 2: too much at I'll.
Speaker 1: Never forget what it was. It was called like the
Speaker 1: Last Call or something. It was. It was like a
Speaker 1: horror movie.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: I just like couldn't be bothered. I really couldn't. I
Speaker 1: was a teacher, I had a job, like I just.
Speaker 2: Get an actor is over five thousand years old. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is an important communication to the world, showing the
Speaker 2: world themselves, and you could not be bothered in that moment.
Speaker 2: In that moment, it's not my again, it's not my passion. No,
Speaker 2: it is not. What is your passion?
Speaker 1: Jeez? A great question. My kids, Yes, being a mom
Speaker 1: my nonprofit.
Speaker 2: Yes, this podcast, this podcast.
Speaker 1: Really passionate about it.
Speaker 2: I feel does your husband fit in there?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my husband. I'm obsessed with him. I
Speaker 1: literally actually said to my therapy of your husband beyond.
Speaker 1: I said to my therapist yesterday I hadn't met with
Speaker 1: her in over a month, which was and I was
Speaker 1: just saying, I'm so thankful to be married to rock
Speaker 1: like I genuinely he is.
Speaker 2: He's my rock and there are things I don't understand
Speaker 2: about taking care of the house, and he is always
Speaker 2: there with a smile to help me.
Speaker 1: He is, he is, he's the best. He owns a
Speaker 1: construction company called Valuation.
Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about that for me, because that's a
Speaker 2: family dynamic. Yeah, when he first met you, he was
Speaker 2: an actor. He was and he worked, but he did
Speaker 2: not work enough to keep you in the lifestyle that
Speaker 2: you demanded that you needed.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so so far you've told me that I'm
Speaker 1: a total brat and that I don't have.
Speaker 2: An out that you know what. I want to tell
Speaker 2: you something. One of the things that I'm asked and
Speaker 2: which is like, what is the key to a marriage?
Speaker 2: And I say it is the ear. How you see
Speaker 2: how it lands on the other person is more important
Speaker 2: than how you meant it. Because nothing I said called
Speaker 2: you a brat got one thing, but you interpreted.
Speaker 1: No I'm joking. That was that was me acting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you could have gotten the audition. I did it,
Speaker 2: only did it that way.
Speaker 1: That's great. Okay, So let's what I hear about that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. But prior to that, we'll go
Speaker 1: back to Robin a second, because I love this subject.
Speaker 1: Prior to that, do you remember when I was in
Speaker 1: the running to be the Bachelorette?
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, and we put a stop to that,
Speaker 2: you sure did.
Speaker 1: And then I was asked which.
Speaker 2: We didn't even talk about your protection.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. We didn't even talk about.
Speaker 2: No, not aha, how about thank you?
Speaker 1: Thank you? We didn't talk about also, and I forgot
Speaker 1: to talk about this with Kim. But originally before, like
Speaker 1: so long ago, there wasn't even that much reality TV out.
Speaker 1: It was just the Real World and me, Kim and
Speaker 1: Sarah Howard were asked to be on a show called
Speaker 1: quarter Life Crisis. And I'll never forget Matt Hannah. He
Speaker 1: worked at VH one at the time. He flew out
Speaker 1: out to LA and did a sizzle reel of us right,
Speaker 1: and I don't even think like I mentioned it to you.
Speaker 1: And then I was living at home at the time
Speaker 1: because I was just believe.
Speaker 2: It was at this house that we're in right now.
Speaker 1: Yes, he came to the house and you met him outside.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: And what did you say to him?
Speaker 2: I said, it is so lovely that you're here. I
Speaker 2: can suggest some really good restaurants. My daughter is not
Speaker 2: doing your show.
Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, And then this is a crazy story. Well,
Speaker 1: obviously it worked out for Kim because she went on
Speaker 1: to become the most famous person in the world. But
Speaker 1: I became a teacher, which was the best job and
Speaker 1: what I always truly wanted to do.
Speaker 2: And I went to visit you. Yeah, you did in
Speaker 2: your class several times, and you were born to do that.
Speaker 2: Thanks those two. I'm not kidding, not because i'm your dad.
Speaker 2: I'm just objectively telling you I saw it happen. If
Speaker 2: I were a young parent at the time that I
Speaker 2: saw the way you parent and the way you taught,
Speaker 2: I would have stolen your technique and used it as
Speaker 2: as my go to.
Speaker 1: I could still be your guide.
Speaker 2: Me. But I don't know how to get the pink
Speaker 2: off my phone.
Speaker 1: I don't either, So, but then this is a crazy story.
Speaker 1: So I was a teacher for ten years. I taught preschool.
Speaker 1: Then after that I went on to be a therapeutic companion,
Speaker 1: which was like a one to one shadow with a
Speaker 1: child at a elementary.
Speaker 2: School in LA But we had a special need, she did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you're a boy to Yeah, I had many.
Speaker 1: I had girls boys. I had many when I was
Speaker 1: at teaching at pres at this preschool, after you had
Speaker 1: sent Matt Hannah home, after he'd had a whole crew
Speaker 1: come out and shoot a sizzle reel of us at
Speaker 1: Ron Herman or Fred Ziegel, Matt Hannah walked into my
Speaker 1: class as a parent in my class.
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 1: That is true? Three daughters. He has three daughters, Lucy,
Speaker 1: Dalton and Minerva. I taught all three, but he they
Speaker 1: since have moved to Washington, d C. But I would
Speaker 1: see him from time to time.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I'm sure.
Speaker 1: He was like, you really screwed me, But I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so not the right thing for you
Speaker 2: to do in your life. It would have just perverted
Speaker 2: your trajectory. I really believe.
Speaker 1: That, honestly, Like I don't even There was actually a
Speaker 1: People magazine post lately, like recently on Instagram, and I
Speaker 1: got back from having a girl's dinner and I'd had
Speaker 1: some wine and the post was about Max and you
Speaker 1: looking alike, and people were like not being that nice
Speaker 1: to Max, and I took to Instagram in a way
Speaker 1: I can't explain, and began replying to all the comments.
Speaker 1: Right and then I thought to myself, like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is this is not for me. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 1: I can't do it.
Speaker 2: And not only that, but it doesn't matter. We're talking
Speaker 2: about your our youngest son, your brother Max. He is now.
Speaker 2: He said it ten he was going to be a director.
Speaker 2: He kept his word. He is a director, writer and
Speaker 2: a show runner right now. He has done a grotesqueie
Speaker 2: before that.
Speaker 1: Brothers.
Speaker 2: He's also ran the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he ran the.
Speaker 2: Show with the Alexis Feud and and now he's doing
Speaker 2: a new one with his good friend Charlie Hunham. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what they write, because boom, he is on
Speaker 2: a rocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know you are an incredible mom of three. Jed
Speaker 2: is in the business r.
Speaker 1: They also have a nonprofit. In case you forgot, you.
Speaker 2: Have a nonprofit that you started how long ago?
Speaker 1: Six years ago?
Speaker 2: Six years ago.
Speaker 1: I am an incredible mom and I am a nonprofit Queen.
Speaker 2: You are you are. You are, You're very, You're very.
Speaker 2: How much have you raised so far? I don't even
Speaker 2: know about over two million?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, probably like four million?
Speaker 2: Four million? And where does that money go? Are there secretaries?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 2: Pencils nope, paper clips, nothing, It's to the children in need.
Speaker 1: That's right. It's just me and two partners who I
Speaker 1: love and amazing.
Speaker 2: You take a salary.
Speaker 1: We do not.
Speaker 2: If I did, you wouldn't have to come to me.
Speaker 1: All that's correct, that's not true. I'd still I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's part.
Speaker 2: Of because you're so good with money.
Speaker 1: I'm guiding you. I'm guiding you as a parent.
Speaker 2: Yes, you are. How do you feel you are with money?
Speaker 1: Not great? No, it's a it's a real source of contention.
Speaker 2: But you know what, not only you, in almost every relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I'm getting better.
Speaker 2: You don't think I don't know because I don't live
Speaker 2: in your house. But do you think you are?
Speaker 1: It's not. Here's the thing, it's not. It's not like
Speaker 1: I'm going out and buying expensive bags or expensive shoes.
Speaker 1: It's just, first of all, I have three kids. In
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It is the most expensive place to live
Speaker 1: and it's the little things like the classes that this,
Speaker 1: that that is. It's just it's a lot.
Speaker 2: But that's not just you spending. That is the family spend.
Speaker 2: What about you spending?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe like once in a while, I have
Speaker 1: a hard time saying no if if you know, Gus
Speaker 1: or Ace or Jewels want something new and I'm practicing.
Speaker 2: And what about and Zoe wants something new?
Speaker 1: Oh, I just get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whether you need it or not, No, I need it,
Speaker 2: you need.
Speaker 1: It's it's I know that it's a difference between want
Speaker 1: and need, but a lot of times I need it.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, for what life?
Speaker 1: Just life, babe, Just for life.
Speaker 2: Oh my goshfe I sure do okay.
Speaker 1: And so let's go back to me and Rob because
Speaker 1: that was so fun.
Speaker 2: He was an actor when you first met, he was
Speaker 2: an actor. And I had a talk with him in
Speaker 2: this backyard, yes, and I said, look, you've got to
Speaker 2: make a decision. Acting is so hit or miss, and
Speaker 2: you're going to now be the leader of a family.
Speaker 1: Totally the one career where there are such incredible actors
Speaker 1: who are so well trained, so talented, and they may
Speaker 1: never work just because it's like.
Speaker 2: It's like pushing a camel through the eye of a needle.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, is that like a did you
Speaker 1: just make that up? Or is that a thing?
Speaker 2: No? I think it's a thing, but I use it
Speaker 2: a lot because it really makes an image of how
Speaker 2: difficult it is. And I do not, for one minute
Speaker 2: ever take for granted. You know, I said to Max,
Speaker 2: I said, this is an amazing time in my life.
Speaker 2: He said, Hey, the universe is giving you. You just
Speaker 2: take it. Now. My father, who I didn't care for,
Speaker 2: said to me on the two bits of advice I took,
Speaker 2: make hay while the sun shines, I would think, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm not going to do that because it's
Speaker 2: going to come around again, and sometimes it never comes
Speaker 2: around again. You take it when it is there, You
Speaker 2: snatch it up and and incorporated into your life when
Speaker 2: it's presented.
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense. Okay, Okay, Well should we.
Speaker 2: Go back to Rob Rob? So, I said to Rob,
Speaker 2: you've got a big decision to make. So he decided
Speaker 2: that he would go to his father's friend, best friend,
Speaker 2: best friend. Okay, and who was a builder.
Speaker 1: The biggest He's one of the biggest builders in.
Speaker 2: Las Okay, and Rob started, I am so proud of
Speaker 2: Rob for this is my favorite story. Rob started parking
Speaker 2: cars for the crew so that that all the cars
Speaker 2: would fit in the space allotted while they were building
Speaker 2: somebody's house. Act.
Speaker 1: They built like super crazy, you know, huge, huge homes
Speaker 1: where there's a lot of staff on site, different subcontracts,
Speaker 1: different subcontractors on site, so there's like mason and paint
Speaker 1: and all the things.
Speaker 2: And so then all of a sudden Rob started to
Speaker 2: work not in the parking lot anymore, but more in
Speaker 2: the house and he met this young man Brian. And
Speaker 2: Brian is like a savant. Brian, I've never seen anything
Speaker 2: like it, looks at a house from the outside and
Speaker 2: tells you what it needs, and he is right. So
Speaker 2: these two guys, having met on the construction site, start
Speaker 2: a business.
Speaker 1: Brian's uncle is Rick Holts, who owned the company at
Speaker 1: the time that Rob was working.
Speaker 2: Okay, and these two guys, Rob and Brian go off
Speaker 2: and they start their own company from scratch, and they
Speaker 2: now are building homes in order to be able to
Speaker 2: support you and the three boys, And I just think
Speaker 2: it is phenomenal.
Speaker 1: It is there are three women actually started their company,
Speaker 1: which I think is also so cool, Eliza Pressman, Amanda
Speaker 1: Anka and Blair Cohan.
Speaker 2: You mean those are the three people three people yes
Speaker 2: to them right away.
Speaker 1: Yes to them, and then said yes and we are
Speaker 1: going to recommend you, recommend you and that those women,
Speaker 1: I feel like we owe so much too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not kidding. So that is also the lesson
Speaker 2: of anybody listening. The time is now. You don't put
Speaker 2: off what it is you know you need to do.
Speaker 2: You just go and put one foot in front of
Speaker 2: the other and try it out and keep moving forward
Speaker 2: and then boom, it is very possible you two can
Speaker 2: live your vision.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's important, an important thought to me, I think
Speaker 2: it is. But I really we have We're very lucky.
Speaker 2: Stacey and I are really lucky. We have three great
Speaker 2: two great daughter in laws and an incredible son in law.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like that can be tricky, you know.
Speaker 1: So I feel very lucky that I love my sister
Speaker 1: in laws and on Rob's side too. Rob is one
Speaker 1: of five, so I have four sister in laws on
Speaker 1: that side, and I have two sister in laws on
Speaker 1: my side, and I feel like really lucky, you know,
Speaker 1: like I feel because.
Speaker 2: There are so many people who don't get along or
Speaker 2: don't put the effort into getting along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I hear all the time. So Rob
Speaker 1: has a really big family.
Speaker 2: Yes, and how many they're twenty one?
Speaker 1: They're no, they're I mean there's five siblings, everyone has
Speaker 1: a significant other, and then there's sixteen grandkids, right, and
Speaker 1: then the mom and the dad. So that's a lot
Speaker 1: of people. I can't do that with exactly, but that
Speaker 1: that's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I thought it came out to about twenty one.
Speaker 1: No, that it would be more than that because there's
Speaker 1: sixteen grandkids, ten adults. That's twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight,
Speaker 1: it's twenty eight when we all travel together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a lot of birthday cards.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of birthday cards. And you know, my
Speaker 1: mother in law she does this amazing thing where every
Speaker 1: single birthday she hand paints a birthday card and even
Speaker 1: and even even for mom.
Speaker 2: Mom said the last time that she got a card
Speaker 2: just now, her birthday was just a few days ago.
Speaker 2: And Lois painted flowers in watercolor and Stacey said, what,
Speaker 2: I really want to frame this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's pretty amazing. Whenever the kids are
Speaker 1: liking at the time, like for jewels she did, like baseball,
Speaker 1: and for gush she did puppies and you know, but
Speaker 1: that's like a lot of family and a lot of
Speaker 1: my friends always say like I could never spend so
Speaker 1: much time with family, not just his family, or we
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time together as well.
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 1: We celebrate every holiday together.
Speaker 2: In the room that we're sitting in.
Speaker 1: Yes, in this room.
Speaker 2: I love this room because it is filled with with
Speaker 2: adult comfort, sation, great food, and toys. All of our grandchildren,
Speaker 2: all of their friends. This house is very friendly to people,
Speaker 2: to gatherings of large groups.
Speaker 1: It always was like that, Like growing up our house,
Speaker 1: our door was always open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. And part of that was you.
Speaker 1: Didn't want us go into other people's house.
Speaker 2: No, only those people you were friends with. Some people
Speaker 2: we didn't trust.
Speaker 1: And none of those people are still in my life,
Speaker 1: which is so because you.
Speaker 2: Are you have got good taste. What I love is
Speaker 2: you mentioned Kim before. When did you meet Kim? How
Speaker 2: old were you?
Speaker 1: I mean we were originally babies when we met, and
Speaker 1: then because of Howard and Margaret and Robert and then
Speaker 1: we re met again, we would see each other like
Speaker 1: at birthday stuff. But then we re met again super
Speaker 1: close at thirteen. At thirteen and do you remember when
Speaker 1: Courtney did her Yeah.
Speaker 2: And they were here in our backyard and wonderful young ladies.
Speaker 2: And they have grown into wonderful women. I mean, you
Speaker 2: know you, whatever you think your vision is of this
Speaker 2: ultra successful human being, she is as dear as she
Speaker 2: was when I first met her.
Speaker 1: But I remember when Courtney did her first reality show,
Speaker 1: Cattle Drive another one. You wouldn't that's great? They when I.
Speaker 2: Ask you a question when now we're talking, we're joking
Speaker 2: and everything. Do you miss not having done House?
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't. I don't think I ever would have
Speaker 1: met Rob if I was doing that. That's an interesting
Speaker 1: and I don't think that. I just think my life
Speaker 1: would be different. And also I don't I would have
Speaker 1: said something that probably would have burned the whole house down,
Speaker 1: because you have no filter anyways, So I remember when
Speaker 1: Courtney did that show. We had her premiere party here,
Speaker 1: do you remember, Yes, and Chris came and she made
Speaker 1: all that stuff and Kate, well, at the time it
Speaker 1: was Bruce and Bruce grilled steaks in the backyard and
Speaker 1: we had a full party for her for her first
Speaker 1: for her show. I feel really lucky because both sets
Speaker 1: of parents, you guys and Rob's parents are super involved
Speaker 1: in our kids' lives. And it's funny because a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, when I went to d C for
Speaker 1: your award at the Smithsonian and to visit my best
Speaker 1: friend Emily, who lives there, I was thinking to myself, like,
Speaker 1: I want to get out of LA Like I've been
Speaker 1: there my whole life.
Speaker 2: It's so, it's just there's well.
Speaker 1: I'm saying we would never leave. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: Rob's whole company is here, and you built a company.
Speaker 2: Let me just say, you take your talent wherever you go.
Speaker 1: I know, But that's not the point. The point is
Speaker 1: that I would never leave because I would never want
Speaker 1: to be away from you guys, or from the rhinuses.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, that's a lovely compliment.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now you tell me that you wouldn't want me
Speaker 1: to leave.
Speaker 2: Me there if you want to go, No, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what would you do without me?
Speaker 2: You know what? It would be very hard. There is
Speaker 2: a whole like every other Sunday you go to your
Speaker 2: in laws for dinner, every other holiday, every other year
Speaker 2: you go to your in laws for that holiday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this year, it's my year with the rhinos.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you it. I understand it. I think
Speaker 2: it is right. I think you know it's a must.
Speaker 2: But there is a hole in the fabric of the
Speaker 2: event with all of you not there.
Speaker 1: Honestly, my dream would be too if we could have
Speaker 1: it all together. But it's just too many people because
Speaker 1: their family alone is twenty six and also they have,
Speaker 1: you know, all their extended family. And then we have
Speaker 1: a big family, not a big family, but we've built
Speaker 1: family with friends.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, and not only that, but also the line
Speaker 2: would be too long to get dinner. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 2: and I don't hold back. You know, family first does
Speaker 2: not exist.
Speaker 1: You're always first.
Speaker 2: I am You're always and I don't care.
Speaker 1: No, you love it.
Speaker 2: I need to get it while it's hot.
Speaker 1: I think this year for Thanksgiving, we should try to
Speaker 1: find a bread that's not wonderbread. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Never? No, you mean my sandwich.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we should. We could find like
Speaker 1: a better like non GMO option.
Speaker 2: Okay, here it is. I don't believe it. Wonder bread, mayonnaise,
Speaker 2: turkey stuffing, from the skillet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We talked about this already on crambar.
Speaker 2: I don't care, okay what I do, because I'm going
Speaker 2: to have it in a few days and I'm so
Speaker 2: excited about it has to be wonder bread.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I just I'd like to just like switch
Speaker 1: it out to a little experiment.
Speaker 2: You make your own.
Speaker 1: Say no, I'm going to give it to you and
Speaker 1: you're not going to know. You'll have half and half
Speaker 1: and we'll any a tartine sourdough.
Speaker 2: Delicious, beautifully toasted with jam for this, not for this, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, but really good?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah? And that that other one all the way in
Speaker 2: the venice, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Adore dash it. Yeah, maybe that's the one where you
Speaker 1: adore what I have it delivered. I uber eats it.
Speaker 1: The soured oat bread very far it has become so.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I like doing errands?
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: I really I feel accomplished. I feel like I'm getting out.
Speaker 2: It's fun to walk up and down the aisles of
Speaker 2: whatever store I'm in.
Speaker 1: You are like not a real person, though, Like someone
Speaker 1: would assume that you might be stoned all day and
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't get stone, but you're just like
Speaker 1: happy to be here.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I'm a bitter Betty.
Speaker 2: That's such a great way to say it.
Speaker 1: You're just like you're like that little like mister happy,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wonder why.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know either, because you know, we've only got
Speaker 2: one life finished. Pretty wonderful right now.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that a lot lately, that life
Speaker 1: is so fragile and so precious, and we're so lucky
Speaker 1: to be here, and we're so lucky to just be
Speaker 1: on the earth, to be on the earth, it's just.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people cannot see past their own nose.
Speaker 2: That is, it's hard and there I believe there's going
Speaker 2: to be a rude awakening.
Speaker 1: Okay, what is that going to look like?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Being the parents of three children who are adults who
Speaker 2: have their own family, and then sometimes the dynamic between
Speaker 2: the three children gets complicated and then you're drawn in
Speaker 2: and you get different versions from every side.
Speaker 1: We actually had this conversation recently because I had an
Speaker 1: argument with one of my brothers and I wanted you
Speaker 1: to handle it right, and you said, No, I.
Speaker 2: Said no, because I could not handle it. I could
Speaker 2: not get to the bottom of it. I was right
Speaker 2: in the same way, in the same way that you
Speaker 2: could get to the bottom of it if and when
Speaker 2: you want to resolve it.
Speaker 1: No, I get that. I mean, I think it's really
Speaker 1: hard because you start out with your parents kind of
Speaker 1: guiding you and sort of steering the ship, and then
Speaker 1: there's this like, I can't believe that I'm now the adult.
Speaker 1: I mean, in so many ways, I run a home,
Speaker 1: I have three kids, I have a business, I participate,
Speaker 1: participate in their lives in life. I give tours at
Speaker 1: my kids' schools where like to prospective parents. And it's
Speaker 1: shocking to me that I'm the adult because I still
Speaker 1: feel like I have a mom and dad, who you know,
Speaker 1: are really the adults, and I'm just an adult in training.
Speaker 2: That isn't true. And it's the same way as when
Speaker 2: you graduate from school and you sometimes on Sunday night areas,
Speaker 2: I have I have homework. Oh and of course there
Speaker 2: is none.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't really graduate, so I never really had
Speaker 1: that feeling.
Speaker 2: No, but look at it, look at one. But look
Speaker 2: here's the question. Yeah, let's talk about that. I think
Speaker 2: the Brothers was an interesting topic. But you did not
Speaker 2: finish college.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I have two credits left.
Speaker 2: Okay, you have. You did not finish college.
Speaker 1: I have two credits left.
Speaker 2: Did that really impact your life?
Speaker 1: It did not? Okay, did that not impact my life
Speaker 1: because I chose a different route And.
Speaker 2: It was because of your own personal power, because of
Speaker 2: who you are as a human being. You know, the
Speaker 2: traditional way is not always the absolute most important way.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with that for sure.
Speaker 2: You didn't graduate. You did go to graduation. We went
Speaker 2: there and celebrated you. People sent you so many presents
Speaker 2: and we said, now you've got to send them back
Speaker 2: because you didn't graduate, and you said no, no, you said.
Speaker 1: No, we did. That was such a good That was
Speaker 1: such a great time. I thought about going back to
Speaker 1: college to just like finish those two classes.
Speaker 2: But I don't know that important. It's not in your life.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: But there's this huge conversation now about nepo babies. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it means like nepotism. Do you know what that means?
Speaker 1: It means when you get something because of your parents.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the exact.
Speaker 2: Do you believe meaning you have gotten.
Speaker 1: Not one thing. So here's what I would you said, yes,
Speaker 1: but here's what I wanted to say. I think the
Speaker 1: idea of nepo babies, and maybe it's because I am one,
Speaker 1: is such both because there are so many of that
Speaker 1: that like class of people.
Speaker 2: Who children who are children of children.
Speaker 1: Children of famous people, and I don't I just don't
Speaker 1: believe that that is an excuse like people will say like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's because they're a nepo baby or whatever, that
Speaker 1: if you don't have talent, honestly, that it will only
Speaker 1: get you so far. It can get your it can
Speaker 1: get you in a door the door, right, but if
Speaker 1: you want to stay in the if you want to
Speaker 1: stay in the room, that's on you, right. And I
Speaker 1: that that concept to.
Speaker 2: Me is yeah, but it doesn't apply to you. So
Speaker 2: you don't even have to worry about it. You shouldn't
Speaker 2: lose sleep over it. And I have to say that
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of your drive, of your drive. Max,
Speaker 2: your youngest brother, the same thing. I wouldn't allow me
Speaker 2: to make one phone call for him.
Speaker 1: I would have allowed you to make phone calls for me.
Speaker 2: Yes, this problem when we were when we were when
Speaker 2: we were younger, when you were sixteen, you used me
Speaker 2: like a garden tool.
Speaker 1: Sure did.
Speaker 2: There would be a handsome boy and you would stand
Speaker 2: next to me like you loved me. I always like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but who knew? And you would say, let's walk, and
Speaker 2: then don't look at him, don't look at him, look
Speaker 2: at the ground, look at the sky, don't look at him,
Speaker 2: and then you would use me to impress him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did it work like like literally all the time.
Speaker 2: Well I'm happy about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like clockwork. Yeah, I could like definitely like count
Speaker 1: on me. But I think with that also came an
Speaker 1: insecurity in me where I need to be liked so much.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to grow out of it, but I am so.
Speaker 1: I think I was so insecure about people liking me
Speaker 1: for me that I would sort of make sure that
Speaker 1: I always I don't I would overcompensate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, I'm very sorry about that
Speaker 2: because you are so like a bull. You are I
Speaker 2: mean not because you're my daughter, but you are so likeabull.
Speaker 2: But there is something I had growing up exactly the
Speaker 2: same crisis. Yeah, until about like last Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I'm working on it now, but there's a part of
Speaker 1: me that doesn't feel like worthy. Yeah, there's a part
Speaker 1: of me sometimes that doesn't feel like you know what
Speaker 1: I think not alone, No, I don't either. I think
Speaker 1: that that's a really normal thing. I think there's a
Speaker 1: part of me that's like, oh well, if they figure
Speaker 1: it out, you know, like it's it sometimes feels like
Speaker 1: it's this sort of like like I'm one person and
Speaker 1: then but inside I feel I was at this function
Speaker 1: with a bunch of people from like my like old
Speaker 1: friends and just like a bunch of people and one
Speaker 1: of the guys married this incredible woman and I love
Speaker 1: her and I've seen her many times over the years,
Speaker 1: and she said to me, you're so cool. I was
Speaker 1: told to be scared of you. I was warned and
Speaker 1: I was like me, I'm the biggest mush insecure, you know,
Speaker 1: like but it was so toughy. But it's so funny
Speaker 1: because I think the persona that you what you give
Speaker 1: off from years of whoever you are, any person who
Speaker 1: you are, you're outside face and then you're insight total
Speaker 1: totally different.
Speaker 2: But let me just say the phone that you're sitting
Speaker 2: next to, there were days a few years the actual
Speaker 2: phone behind the toy phone. What that is a replacement
Speaker 2: because you would call with such anger that it the
Speaker 2: plastic literally melted into the furniture.
Speaker 1: Was angry.
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but I want to tell you.
Speaker 2: I shook listening to you saying don't ever do that again.
Speaker 2: I and and.
Speaker 1: Don't ever do it again.
Speaker 2: I won't. Okay, notice I haven't because the phone is
Speaker 2: still intact.
Speaker 1: I love you, Dad. Thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2: This is a week pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us for our fourth episode of What
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Speaker 1: it and do whatever else you need to do.
Speaker 2: Your friends.
Speaker 1: Tell your friends I'm desperate.
Speaker 2: And if you know, you're a desperate not a.
Speaker 1: Liam, I have a bitter Betty. I'm a desperate Debbie. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: this needs to go off. Yeah, yeah, I'm the new star. Yes,
Speaker 1: Max and Dad move over.