WEBVTT - Introducing Father Doesn’t Always Know Best

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to my fourth episode of What in the Winkler. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a very special guest. He had no choice,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's here. My father say, hello.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, how are you? Well? You know what, I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>happy to be here and to support you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy you're here too, because.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife, your mom, is out of town.

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<v Speaker 1>She's out of town. So I need your help and

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<v Speaker 1>you came through. Right before we started this, we had

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<v Speaker 1>a phone emergency. You have changed the color of your

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<v Speaker 1>phone to be tinted pink. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I was playing around in the in the generals

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<v Speaker 2>and my phone now is pink, which I don't mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I wear pink shirts.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I can't. It's absolutely maddening. We need to change.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, remember this, this is really important though it's my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I have to help you with your socials.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I'm never going to ask you again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we know you will or else. You just put

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<v Speaker 1>stuff up there and we need to take it down.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you don't even realize sometimes when you're putting it up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that is true, that is true. Oh you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm on the Jennifer Hudson Show today. I did

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<v Speaker 2>it yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Who told you about that clip you did? That's right?

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<v Speaker 2>Your your friends sent you me dancing down the hall

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<v Speaker 2>in order to get to the stage.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had a most wonderful time on that show.

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<v Speaker 1>And is it on your Instagram now? It is?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you put it there. Sure pink is maddening. Sure

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<v Speaker 2>you figured out how to get past the pink.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so welcome, Thank you anytime. That's what I'm here for. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to just talk a little bit about how

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<v Speaker 1>my life choice have been different from from what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I wanted to be an actress, but only to

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<v Speaker 1>be famous, right right? I think I said that once?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, But you know the thing is that, for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, the real truth is it was not you

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<v Speaker 2>were not cut out to do it. You were. You

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<v Speaker 2>have a great personality to use you. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>not excuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, I'm cut out for anything I put my mind too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you didn't put your mind to that because my

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<v Speaker 2>agent called me, who sent you on a call, and

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<v Speaker 2>said it would be great if your daughter looked at

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<v Speaker 2>the script before she went in.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand I thought that they just wanted, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I didn't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>I trained for fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>Babe, that's you. I just like fly by the seat

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<v Speaker 1>of my pants, by the way you do. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say something. I didn't ask to be sent out

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<v Speaker 1>on an audition. Your agent heard me speak at your

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<v Speaker 1>sixtieth birthday party and asked me to go on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. That is exactly drunk. She had a little

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<v Speaker 2>too much at I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Never forget what it was. It was called like the

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<v Speaker 1>Last Call or something. It was. It was like a

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<v Speaker 1>horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like couldn't be bothered. I really couldn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a teacher, I had a job, like I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Get an actor is over five thousand years old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is an important communication to the world, showing the

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<v Speaker 2>world themselves, and you could not be bothered in that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>In that moment, it's not my again, it's not my passion. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it is not. What is your passion?

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<v Speaker 1>Jeez? A great question. My kids, Yes, being a mom

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<v Speaker 1>my nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this podcast, this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Really passionate about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel does your husband fit in there?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, my husband. I'm obsessed with him. I

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<v Speaker 1>literally actually said to my therapy of your husband beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>I said to my therapist yesterday I hadn't met with

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<v Speaker 1>her in over a month, which was and I was

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, I'm so thankful to be married to rock

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<v Speaker 1>like I genuinely he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He's my rock and there are things I don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>about taking care of the house, and he is always

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<v Speaker 2>there with a smile to help me.

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<v Speaker 1>He is, he is, he's the best. He owns a

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<v Speaker 1>construction company called Valuation.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's talk about that for me, because that's a

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<v Speaker 2>family dynamic. Yeah, when he first met you, he was

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<v Speaker 2>an actor. He was and he worked, but he did

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<v Speaker 2>not work enough to keep you in the lifestyle that

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<v Speaker 2>you demanded that you needed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so so far you've told me that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a total brat and that I don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>An out that you know what. I want to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you something. One of the things that I'm asked and

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<v Speaker 2>which is like, what is the key to a marriage?

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<v Speaker 2>And I say it is the ear. How you see

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<v Speaker 2>how it lands on the other person is more important

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<v Speaker 2>than how you meant it. Because nothing I said called

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<v Speaker 2>you a brat got one thing, but you interpreted.

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<v Speaker 1>No I'm joking. That was that was me acting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you could have gotten the audition. I did it,

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<v Speaker 2>only did it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Okay, So let's what I hear about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. But prior to that, we'll go

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<v Speaker 1>back to Robin a second, because I love this subject.

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<v Speaker 1>Prior to that, do you remember when I was in

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<v Speaker 1>the running to be the Bachelorette?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, and we put a stop to that,

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<v Speaker 2>you sure did.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was asked which.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't even talk about your protection.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. We didn't even talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not aha, how about thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you? We didn't talk about also, and I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this with Kim. But originally before, like

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<v Speaker 1>so long ago, there wasn't even that much reality TV out.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just the Real World and me, Kim and

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Howard were asked to be on a show called

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<v Speaker 1>quarter Life Crisis. And I'll never forget Matt Hannah. He

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<v Speaker 1>worked at VH one at the time. He flew out

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<v Speaker 1>out to LA and did a sizzle reel of us right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't even think like I mentioned it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was living at home at the time

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<v Speaker 1>because I was just believe.

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<v Speaker 2>It was at this house that we're in right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he came to the house and you met him outside.

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>And what did you say to him?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it is so lovely that you're here. I

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<v Speaker 2>can suggest some really good restaurants. My daughter is not

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<v Speaker 2>doing your show.

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<v Speaker 1>That's correct. Yeah, And then this is a crazy story. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it worked out for Kim because she went on

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<v Speaker 1>to become the most famous person in the world. But

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<v Speaker 1>I became a teacher, which was the best job and

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<v Speaker 1>what I always truly wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I went to visit you. Yeah, you did in

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<v Speaker 2>your class several times, and you were born to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks those two. I'm not kidding, not because i'm your dad.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just objectively telling you I saw it happen. If

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<v Speaker 2>I were a young parent at the time that I

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<v Speaker 2>saw the way you parent and the way you taught,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have stolen your technique and used it as

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<v Speaker 2>as my go to.

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<v Speaker 1>I could still be your guide.

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<v Speaker 2>Me. But I don't know how to get the pink

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<v Speaker 2>off my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either, So, but then this is a crazy story.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was a teacher for ten years. I taught preschool.

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<v Speaker 1>Then after that I went on to be a therapeutic companion,

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<v Speaker 1>which was like a one to one shadow with a

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<v Speaker 1>child at a elementary.

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<v Speaker 2>School in LA But we had a special need, she did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so you're a boy to Yeah, I had many.

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<v Speaker 1>I had girls boys. I had many when I was

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<v Speaker 1>at teaching at pres at this preschool, after you had

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<v Speaker 1>sent Matt Hannah home, after he'd had a whole crew

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<v Speaker 1>come out and shoot a sizzle reel of us at

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Herman or Fred Ziegel, Matt Hannah walked into my

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<v Speaker 1>class as a parent in my class.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 1>That is true? Three daughters. He has three daughters, Lucy,

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<v Speaker 1>Dalton and Minerva. I taught all three, but he they

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<v Speaker 1>since have moved to Washington, d C. But I would

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<v Speaker 1>see him from time to time.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, you really screwed me, But I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was so not the right thing for you

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<v Speaker 2>to do in your life. It would have just perverted

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<v Speaker 2>your trajectory. I really believe.

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<v Speaker 1>That, honestly, Like I don't even There was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>People magazine post lately, like recently on Instagram, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got back from having a girl's dinner and I'd had

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<v Speaker 1>some wine and the post was about Max and you

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<v Speaker 1>looking alike, and people were like not being that nice

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<v Speaker 1>to Max, and I took to Instagram in a way

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<v Speaker 1>I can't explain, and began replying to all the comments.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and then I thought to myself, like, wow, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is not for me. Yeah, it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only that, but it doesn't matter. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about your our youngest son, your brother Max. He is now.

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<v Speaker 2>He said it ten he was going to be a director.

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<v Speaker 2>He kept his word. He is a director, writer and

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<v Speaker 2>a show runner right now. He has done a grotesqueie

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<v Speaker 2>before that.

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<v Speaker 1>Brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also ran the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he ran the.

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<v Speaker 2>Show with the Alexis Feud and and now he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>a new one with his good friend Charlie Hunham. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter what they write, because boom, he is on

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<v Speaker 2>a rocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you are an incredible mom of three. Jed

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<v Speaker 2>is in the business r.

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<v Speaker 1>They also have a nonprofit. In case you forgot, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a nonprofit that you started how long ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Six years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Six years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I am an incredible mom and I am a nonprofit Queen.

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<v Speaker 2>You are you are. You are, You're very, You're very.

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<v Speaker 2>How much have you raised so far? I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know about over two million?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah yeah, probably like four million?

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<v Speaker 2>Four million? And where does that money go? Are there secretaries?

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<v Speaker 1>Nope?

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<v Speaker 2>Pencils nope, paper clips, nothing, It's to the children in need.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. It's just me and two partners who I

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<v Speaker 1>love and amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>You take a salary.

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<v Speaker 1>We do not.

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<v Speaker 2>If I did, you wouldn't have to come to me.

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<v Speaker 1>All that's correct, that's not true. I'd still I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of because you're so good with money.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guiding you. I'm guiding you as a parent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you are. How do you feel you are with money?

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<v Speaker 1>Not great? No, it's a it's a real source of contention.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, not only you, in almost every relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like I'm getting better.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think I don't know because I don't live

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<v Speaker 2>in your house. But do you think you are?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not. Here's the thing, it's not. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going out and buying expensive bags or expensive shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just, first of all, I have three kids. In

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. It is the most expensive place to live

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the little things like the classes that this,

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<v Speaker 1>that that is. It's just it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not just you spending. That is the family spend.

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<v Speaker 2>What about you spending?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe like once in a while, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time saying no if if you know, Gus

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<v Speaker 1>or Ace or Jewels want something new and I'm practicing.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about and Zoe wants something new?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I just get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, whether you need it or not, No, I need it,

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<v Speaker 2>you need.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's I know that it's a difference between want

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<v Speaker 1>and need, but a lot of times I need it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, for what life?

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<v Speaker 1>Just life, babe, Just for life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goshfe I sure do okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And so let's go back to me and Rob because

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<v Speaker 1>that was so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an actor when you first met, he was

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<v Speaker 2>an actor. And I had a talk with him in

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<v Speaker 2>this backyard, yes, and I said, look, you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>make a decision. Acting is so hit or miss, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to now be the leader of a family.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally the one career where there are such incredible actors

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<v Speaker 1>who are so well trained, so talented, and they may

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<v Speaker 1>never work just because it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like pushing a camel through the eye of a needle.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, is that like a did you

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<v Speaker 1>just make that up? Or is that a thing?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I think it's a thing, but I use it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot because it really makes an image of how

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<v Speaker 2>difficult it is. And I do not, for one minute

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<v Speaker 2>ever take for granted. You know, I said to Max,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, this is an amazing time in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, Hey, the universe is giving you. You just

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<v Speaker 2>take it. Now. My father, who I didn't care for,

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<v Speaker 2>said to me on the two bits of advice I took,

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<v Speaker 2>make hay while the sun shines, I would think, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm not going to do that because it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to come around again, and sometimes it never comes

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<v Speaker 2>around again. You take it when it is there, You

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<v Speaker 2>snatch it up and and incorporated into your life when

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<v Speaker 2>it's presented.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that makes sense. Okay, Okay, Well should we.

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<v Speaker 2>Go back to Rob Rob? So, I said to Rob,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a big decision to make. So he decided

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<v Speaker 2>that he would go to his father's friend, best friend,

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<v Speaker 2>best friend. Okay, and who was a builder.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest He's one of the biggest builders in.

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<v Speaker 2>Las Okay, and Rob started, I am so proud of

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<v Speaker 2>Rob for this is my favorite story. Rob started parking

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<v Speaker 2>cars for the crew so that that all the cars

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<v Speaker 2>would fit in the space allotted while they were building

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's house. Act.

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<v Speaker 1>They built like super crazy, you know, huge, huge homes

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<v Speaker 1>where there's a lot of staff on site, different subcontracts,

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<v Speaker 1>different subcontractors on site, so there's like mason and paint

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<v Speaker 1>and all the things.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then all of a sudden Rob started to

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<v Speaker 2>work not in the parking lot anymore, but more in

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<v Speaker 2>the house and he met this young man Brian. And

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<v Speaker 2>Brian is like a savant. Brian, I've never seen anything

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<v Speaker 2>like it, looks at a house from the outside and

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<v Speaker 2>tells you what it needs, and he is right. So

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<v Speaker 2>these two guys, having met on the construction site, start

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<v Speaker 2>a business.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian's uncle is Rick Holts, who owned the company at

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<v Speaker 1>the time that Rob was working.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and these two guys, Rob and Brian go off

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<v Speaker 2>and they start their own company from scratch, and they

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<v Speaker 2>now are building homes in order to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>support you and the three boys, And I just think

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<v Speaker 2>it is phenomenal.

0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.400
<v Speaker 1>It is there are three women actually started their company,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is also so cool, Eliza Pressman, Amanda

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<v Speaker 1>Anka and Blair Cohan.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean those are the three people three people yes

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<v Speaker 2>to them right away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes to them, and then said yes and we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to recommend you, recommend you and that those women,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we owe so much too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not kidding. So that is also the lesson

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<v Speaker 2>of anybody listening. The time is now. You don't put

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<v Speaker 2>off what it is you know you need to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You just go and put one foot in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the other and try it out and keep moving forward

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<v Speaker 2>and then boom, it is very possible you two can

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<v Speaker 2>live your vision.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's important, an important thought to me, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is. But I really we have We're very lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Stacey and I are really lucky. We have three great

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<v Speaker 2>two great daughter in laws and an incredible son in law.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I feel like that can be tricky, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel very lucky that I love my sister

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<v Speaker 1>in laws and on Rob's side too. Rob is one

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<v Speaker 1>of five, so I have four sister in laws on

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<v Speaker 1>that side, and I have two sister in laws on

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<v Speaker 1>my side, and I feel like really lucky, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel because.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many people who don't get along or

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<v Speaker 2>don't put the effort into getting along.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I hear all the time. So Rob

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<v Speaker 1>has a really big family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and how many they're twenty one?

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<v Speaker 1>They're no, they're I mean there's five siblings, everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>a significant other, and then there's sixteen grandkids, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the mom and the dad. So that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people. I can't do that with exactly, but that

0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it came out to about twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that it would be more than that because there's

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen grandkids, ten adults. That's twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>it's twenty eight when we all travel together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's a lot of birthday cards.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of birthday cards. And you know, my

0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.560
<v Speaker 1>mother in law she does this amazing thing where every

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<v Speaker 1>single birthday she hand paints a birthday card and even

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<v Speaker 1>and even even for mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Mom said the last time that she got a card

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<v Speaker 2>just now, her birthday was just a few days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And Lois painted flowers in watercolor and Stacey said, what,

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to frame this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's pretty amazing. Whenever the kids are

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<v Speaker 1>liking at the time, like for jewels she did, like baseball,

0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.439
<v Speaker 1>and for gush she did puppies and you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's like a lot of family and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>my friends always say like I could never spend so

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<v Speaker 1>much time with family, not just his family, or we

0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:47.520
<v Speaker 1>spend a lot of time together as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We do.

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<v Speaker 1>We celebrate every holiday together.

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<v Speaker 2>In the room that we're sitting in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, in this room.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this room because it is filled with with

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<v Speaker 2>adult comfort, sation, great food, and toys. All of our grandchildren,

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<v Speaker 2>all of their friends. This house is very friendly to people,

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<v Speaker 2>to gatherings of large groups.

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<v Speaker 1>It always was like that, Like growing up our house,

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<v Speaker 1>our door was always open.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. And part of that was you.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't want us go into other people's house.

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<v Speaker 2>No, only those people you were friends with. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't trust.

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<v Speaker 1>And none of those people are still in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you have got good taste. What I love is

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned Kim before. When did you meet Kim? How

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<v Speaker 2>old were you?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we were originally babies when we met, and

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<v Speaker 1>then because of Howard and Margaret and Robert and then

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<v Speaker 1>we re met again, we would see each other like

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<v Speaker 1>at birthday stuff. But then we re met again super

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<v Speaker 1>close at thirteen. At thirteen and do you remember when

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney did her Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were here in our backyard and wonderful young ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have grown into wonderful women. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you, whatever you think your vision is of this

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.639
<v Speaker 2>ultra successful human being, she is as dear as she

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<v Speaker 2>was when I first met her.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember when Courtney did her first reality show,

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<v Speaker 1>Cattle Drive another one. You wouldn't that's great? They when I.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask you a question when now we're talking, we're joking

0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and everything. Do you miss not having done House?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't. I don't think I ever would have

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<v Speaker 1>met Rob if I was doing that. That's an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think that. I just think my life

0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:44.200
<v Speaker 1>would be different. And also I don't I would have

0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.520
<v Speaker 1>said something that probably would have burned the whole house down,

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<v Speaker 1>because you have no filter anyways, So I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney did that show. We had her premiere party here,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember, Yes, and Chris came and she made

0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.000
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff and Kate, well, at the time it

0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.520
<v Speaker 1>was Bruce and Bruce grilled steaks in the backyard and

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.679
<v Speaker 1>we had a full party for her for her first

0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:17.119
<v Speaker 1>for her show. I feel really lucky because both sets

0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of parents, you guys and Rob's parents are super involved

0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.360
<v Speaker 1>in our kids' lives. And it's funny because a couple

0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.080
<v Speaker 1>of weeks ago, when I went to d C for

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<v Speaker 1>your award at the Smithsonian and to visit my best

0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.720
<v Speaker 1>friend Emily, who lives there, I was thinking to myself, like,

0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.479
<v Speaker 1>I want to get out of LA Like I've been

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<v Speaker 1>there my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so, it's just there's well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying we would never leave. Well, first of all,

0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Rob's whole company is here, and you built a company.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just say, you take your talent wherever you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, But that's not the point. The point is

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<v Speaker 1>that I would never leave because I would never want

0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to be away from you guys, or from the rhinuses.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Yeah, that's a lovely compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now you tell me that you wouldn't want me

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<v Speaker 1>to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Me there if you want to go, No, I'm not kidding.

0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what would you do without me?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? It would be very hard. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a whole like every other Sunday you go to your

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:19.160
<v Speaker 2>in laws for dinner, every other holiday, every other year

0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you go to your in laws for that holiday.

0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like this year, it's my year with the rhinos.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm telling you it. I understand it. I think

0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:30.360
<v Speaker 2>it is right. I think you know it's a must.

0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 2>But there is a hole in the fabric of the

0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.080
<v Speaker 2>event with all of you not there.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, my dream would be too if we could have

0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:44.440
<v Speaker 1>it all together. But it's just too many people because

0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.520
<v Speaker 1>their family alone is twenty six and also they have,

0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, all their extended family. And then we have

0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.159
<v Speaker 1>a big family, not a big family, but we've built

0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:54.200
<v Speaker 1>family with friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, and not only that, but also the line

0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.760
<v Speaker 2>would be too long to get dinner. Yeah, that's right,

0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:04.040
<v Speaker 2>and I don't hold back. You know, family first does

0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:04.600
<v Speaker 2>not exist.

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<v Speaker 1>You're always first.

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I am You're always and I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to get it while it's hot.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this year for Thanksgiving, we should try to

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<v Speaker 1>find a bread that's not wonderbread. What do you think?

0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Never? No, you mean my sandwich.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like we should. We could find like

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<v Speaker 1>a better like non GMO option.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here it is. I don't believe it. Wonder bread, mayonnaise,

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.640
<v Speaker 2>turkey stuffing, from the skillet.

0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. We talked about this already on crambar.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care, okay what I do, because I'm going

0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.080
<v Speaker 2>to have it in a few days and I'm so

0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.840
<v Speaker 2>excited about it has to be wonder bread.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I just I'd like to just like switch

0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 1>it out to a little experiment.

0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:48.840
<v Speaker 2>You make your own.

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<v Speaker 1>Say no, I'm going to give it to you and

0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to know. You'll have half and half

0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and we'll any a tartine sourdough.

0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Delicious, beautifully toasted with jam for this, not for this, okay,

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:03.440
<v Speaker 2>all right, but really good?

0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And that that other one all the way in

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<v Speaker 2>the venice, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Adore dash it. Yeah, maybe that's the one where you

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<v Speaker 1>adore what I have it delivered. I uber eats it.

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<v Speaker 1>The soured oat bread very far it has become so.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I like doing errands?

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<v Speaker 1>Me too.

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<v Speaker 2>I really I feel accomplished. I feel like I'm getting out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fun to walk up and down the aisles of

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<v Speaker 2>whatever store I'm in.

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<v Speaker 1>You are like not a real person, though, Like someone

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<v Speaker 1>would assume that you might be stoned all day and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't. You don't get stone, but you're just like

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<v Speaker 1>happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a bitter Betty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a great way to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just like you're like that little like mister happy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I wonder why.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know either, because you know, we've only got

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<v Speaker 2>one life finished. Pretty wonderful right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking about that a lot lately, that life

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<v Speaker 1>is so fragile and so precious, and we're so lucky

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<v Speaker 1>to be here, and we're so lucky to just be

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<v Speaker 1>on the earth, to be on the earth, it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a lot of people cannot see past their own nose.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, it's hard and there I believe there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a rude awakening.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what is that going to look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not sure. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Being the parents of three children who are adults who

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<v Speaker 2>have their own family, and then sometimes the dynamic between

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the three children gets complicated and then you're drawn in

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<v Speaker 2>and you get different versions from every side.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually had this conversation recently because I had an

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<v Speaker 1>argument with one of my brothers and I wanted you

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<v Speaker 1>to handle it right, and you said, No, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Said no, because I could not handle it. I could

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<v Speaker 2>not get to the bottom of it. I was right

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<v Speaker 2>in the same way, in the same way that you

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<v Speaker 2>could get to the bottom of it if and when

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<v Speaker 2>you want to resolve it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I get that. I mean, I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>hard because you start out with your parents kind of

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<v Speaker 1>guiding you and sort of steering the ship, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's this like, I can't believe that I'm now the adult.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, in so many ways, I run a home,

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<v Speaker 1>I have three kids, I have a business, I participate,

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<v Speaker 1>participate in their lives in life. I give tours at

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<v Speaker 1>my kids' schools where like to prospective parents. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>shocking to me that I'm the adult because I still

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I have a mom and dad, who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>are really the adults, and I'm just an adult in training.

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<v Speaker 2>That isn't true. And it's the same way as when

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<v Speaker 2>you graduate from school and you sometimes on Sunday night areas,

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<v Speaker 2>I have I have homework. Oh and of course there

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<v Speaker 2>is none.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't really graduate, so I never really had

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but look at it, look at one. But look

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<v Speaker 2>here's the question. Yeah, let's talk about that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the Brothers was an interesting topic. But you did not

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<v Speaker 2>finish college.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I have two credits left.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you have. You did not finish college.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two credits left.

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<v Speaker 2>Did that really impact your life?

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<v Speaker 1>It did not? Okay, did that not impact my life

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<v Speaker 1>because I chose a different route And.

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<v Speaker 2>It was because of your own personal power, because of

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<v Speaker 2>who you are as a human being. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>traditional way is not always the absolute most important way.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I agree with that for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't graduate. You did go to graduation. We went

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<v Speaker 2>there and celebrated you. People sent you so many presents

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<v Speaker 2>and we said, now you've got to send them back

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<v Speaker 2>because you didn't graduate, and you said no, no, you said.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we did. That was such a good That was

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<v Speaker 1>such a great time. I thought about going back to

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<v Speaker 1>college to just like finish those two classes.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know that important. It's not in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's this huge conversation now about nepo babies. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it means like nepotism. Do you know what that means?

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>It means when you get something because of your parents.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's the exact.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you believe meaning you have gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Not one thing. So here's what I would you said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's what I wanted to say. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of nepo babies, and maybe it's because I am one,

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:50.640
<v Speaker 1>is such both because there are so many of that

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that like class of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Who children who are children of children.

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<v Speaker 1>Children of famous people, and I don't I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe that that is an excuse like people will say like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's because they're a nepo baby or whatever, that

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have talent, honestly, that it will only

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 1>get you so far. It can get your it can

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>get you in a door the door, right, but if

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>you want to stay in the if you want to

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>stay in the room, that's on you, right. And I

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 1>that that concept to.

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Me is yeah, but it doesn't apply to you. So

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>you don't even have to worry about it. You shouldn't

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 2>lose sleep over it. And I have to say that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very proud of your drive, of your drive. Max,

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>your youngest brother, the same thing. I wouldn't allow me

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<v Speaker 2>to make one phone call for him.

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I would have allowed you to make phone calls for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this problem when we were when we were when

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 2>we were younger, when you were sixteen, you used me

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>like a garden tool.

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Sure did.

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>There would be a handsome boy and you would stand

0:28:56.640 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>next to me like you loved me. I always like, yeah,

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 2>but who knew? And you would say, let's walk, and

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>then don't look at him, don't look at him, look

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 2>at the ground, look at the sky, don't look at him,

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 2>and then you would use me to impress him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Did it work like like literally all the time.

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Well I'm happy about that.

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like clockwork. Yeah, I could like definitely like count

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>on me. But I think with that also came an

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>insecurity in me where I need to be liked so much.

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to grow out of it, but I am so.

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I think I was so insecure about people liking me

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 1>for me that I would sort of make sure that

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I always I don't I would overcompensate.

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know what, I'm very sorry about that

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>because you are so like a bull. You are I

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 2>mean not because you're my daughter, but you are so likeabull.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is something I had growing up exactly the

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 2>same crisis. Yeah, until about like last Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm working on it now, but there's a part of

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>me that doesn't feel like worthy. Yeah, there's a part

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>of me sometimes that doesn't feel like you know what

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I think not alone, No, I don't either. I think

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that that's a really normal thing. I think there's a

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 1>part of me that's like, oh well, if they figure

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it out, you know, like it's it sometimes feels like

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>it's this sort of like like I'm one person and

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>then but inside I feel I was at this function

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of people from like my like old

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>friends and just like a bunch of people and one

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>of the guys married this incredible woman and I love

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 1>her and I've seen her many times over the years,

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and she said to me, you're so cool. I was

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>told to be scared of you. I was warned and

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I was like me, I'm the biggest mush insecure, you know,

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 1>like but it was so toughy. But it's so funny

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>because I think the persona that you what you give

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>off from years of whoever you are, any person who

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>you are, you're outside face and then you're insight total

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 1>totally different.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me just say the phone that you're sitting

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 2>next to, there were days a few years the actual

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 2>phone behind the toy phone. What that is a replacement

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>because you would call with such anger that it the

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 2>plastic literally melted into the furniture.

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Was angry.

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea, but I want to tell you.

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I shook listening to you saying don't ever do that again.

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I and and.

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Don't ever do it again.

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>I won't. Okay, notice I haven't because the phone is

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 2>still intact.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you, Dad. Thanks for doing this.

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 2>This is a week pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us for our fourth episode of What

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>in the Winkler. If you're enjoying this podcast, please give

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<v Speaker 1>it and do whatever else you need to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Your friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell your friends I'm desperate.

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 2>And if you know, you're a desperate not a.

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<v Speaker 1>Liam, I have a bitter Betty. I'm a desperate Debbie. Okay, Okay,

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>this needs to go off. Yeah, yeah, I'm the new star. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Max and Dad move over.