1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to my fourth episode of What in the Winkler. Today, 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: we have a very special guest. He had no choice, 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: so he's here. My father say, hello. 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Hi, how are you? Well? You know what, I'm very 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: happy to be here and to support you. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm happy you're here too, because. 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: My wife, your mom, is out of town. 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: She's out of town. So I need your help and 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: you came through. Right before we started this, we had 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: a phone emergency. You have changed the color of your 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: phone to be tinted pink. Is that correct? 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: Well? I was playing around in the in the generals 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: and my phone now is pink, which I don't mind. 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: I wear pink shirts. 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: Okay, I can't. It's absolutely maddening. We need to change. 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: Well, remember this, this is really important though it's my phone, 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: I know. 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: But like I have to help you with your socials. 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm never going to ask you again. 21 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: Well, we know you will or else. You just put 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: stuff up there and we need to take it down. 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't even realize sometimes when you're putting it up. 24 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: No, that is true, that is true. Oh you know 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: what I'm on the Jennifer Hudson Show today. I did 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: it yesterday. 27 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: Who told you about that clip you did? That's right? 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: Your your friends sent you me dancing down the hall 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: in order to get to the stage. 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: That's right. 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: And I had a most wonderful time on that show. 32 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: And is it on your Instagram now? It is? 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: Well, you put it there. Sure pink is maddening. Sure 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: you figured out how to get past the pink. 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: You're so welcome, Thank you anytime. That's what I'm here for. Well, 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to just talk a little bit about how 37 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: my life choice have been different from from what you do. 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: Like I wanted to be an actress, but only to 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: be famous, right right? I think I said that once? 40 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, But you know the thing is that, for 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: whatever reason, the real truth is it was not you 42 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: were not cut out to do it. You were. You 43 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 2: have a great personality to use you. No, no, no, 44 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: not excuse. 45 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: Me, I'm cut out for anything I put my mind too. 46 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: Well, you didn't put your mind to that because my 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: agent called me, who sent you on a call, and 48 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: said it would be great if your daughter looked at 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: the script before she went in. 50 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I didn't understand I thought that they just wanted, you know, 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: like I didn't understand. 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: I trained for fifteen years. 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: Babe, that's you. I just like fly by the seat 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: of my pants, by the way you do. I want 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: to say something. I didn't ask to be sent out 56 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: on an audition. Your agent heard me speak at your 57 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: sixtieth birthday party and asked me to go on. 58 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: That's true. That is exactly drunk. She had a little 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 2: too much at I'll. 60 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: Never forget what it was. It was called like the 61 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: Last Call or something. It was. It was like a 62 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: horror movie. 63 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 64 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: I just like couldn't be bothered. I really couldn't. I 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: was a teacher, I had a job, like I just. 66 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: Get an actor is over five thousand years old. Yeah, 67 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: it is an important communication to the world, showing the 68 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: world themselves, and you could not be bothered in that moment. 69 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: In that moment, it's not my again, it's not my passion. No, 70 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: it is not. What is your passion? 71 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: Jeez? A great question. My kids, Yes, being a mom 72 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: my nonprofit. 73 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: Yes, this podcast, this podcast. 74 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: Really passionate about it. 75 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: I feel does your husband fit in there? 76 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, my husband. I'm obsessed with him. I 77 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: literally actually said to my therapy of your husband beyond. 78 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: I said to my therapist yesterday I hadn't met with 79 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: her in over a month, which was and I was 80 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: just saying, I'm so thankful to be married to rock 81 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: like I genuinely he is. 82 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: He's my rock and there are things I don't understand 83 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: about taking care of the house, and he is always 84 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: there with a smile to help me. 85 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: He is, he is, he's the best. He owns a 86 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: construction company called Valuation. 87 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about that for me, because that's a 88 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: family dynamic. Yeah, when he first met you, he was 89 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: an actor. He was and he worked, but he did 90 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: not work enough to keep you in the lifestyle that 91 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: you demanded that you needed. 92 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so so far you've told me that I'm 93 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: a total brat and that I don't have. 94 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: An out that you know what. I want to tell 95 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: you something. One of the things that I'm asked and 96 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: which is like, what is the key to a marriage? 97 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: And I say it is the ear. How you see 98 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: how it lands on the other person is more important 99 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: than how you meant it. Because nothing I said called 100 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: you a brat got one thing, but you interpreted. 101 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: No I'm joking. That was that was me acting. 102 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you could have gotten the audition. I did it, 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: only did it that way. 104 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: That's great. Okay, So let's what I hear about that. 105 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: I don't even know. But prior to that, we'll go 106 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: back to Robin a second, because I love this subject. 107 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: Prior to that, do you remember when I was in 108 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: the running to be the Bachelorette? 109 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, and we put a stop to that, 110 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: you sure did. 111 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: And then I was asked which. 112 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: We didn't even talk about your protection. 113 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: Uh huh. We didn't even talk about. 114 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: No, not aha, how about thank you? 115 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Thank you? We didn't talk about also, and I forgot 116 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: to talk about this with Kim. But originally before, like 117 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: so long ago, there wasn't even that much reality TV out. 118 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: It was just the Real World and me, Kim and 119 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: Sarah Howard were asked to be on a show called 120 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: quarter Life Crisis. And I'll never forget Matt Hannah. He 121 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: worked at VH one at the time. He flew out 122 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: out to LA and did a sizzle reel of us right, 123 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: and I don't even think like I mentioned it to you. 124 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: And then I was living at home at the time 125 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: because I was just believe. 126 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: It was at this house that we're in right now. 127 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: Yes, he came to the house and you met him outside. 128 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: I did. 129 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: And what did you say to him? 130 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: I said, it is so lovely that you're here. I 131 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: can suggest some really good restaurants. My daughter is not 132 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: doing your show. 133 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, And then this is a crazy story. Well, 134 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: obviously it worked out for Kim because she went on 135 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: to become the most famous person in the world. But 136 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: I became a teacher, which was the best job and 137 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: what I always truly wanted to do. 138 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: And I went to visit you. Yeah, you did in 139 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: your class several times, and you were born to do that. 140 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: Thanks those two. I'm not kidding, not because i'm your dad. 141 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: I'm just objectively telling you I saw it happen. If 142 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: I were a young parent at the time that I 143 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: saw the way you parent and the way you taught, 144 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: I would have stolen your technique and used it as 145 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: as my go to. 146 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: I could still be your guide. 147 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: Me. But I don't know how to get the pink 148 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: off my phone. 149 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't either, So, but then this is a crazy story. 150 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: So I was a teacher for ten years. I taught preschool. 151 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Then after that I went on to be a therapeutic companion, 152 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: which was like a one to one shadow with a 153 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: child at a elementary. 154 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: School in LA But we had a special need, she did. 155 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you're a boy to Yeah, I had many. 156 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: I had girls boys. I had many when I was 157 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: at teaching at pres at this preschool, after you had 158 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 1: sent Matt Hannah home, after he'd had a whole crew 159 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: come out and shoot a sizzle reel of us at 160 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Ron Herman or Fred Ziegel, Matt Hannah walked into my 161 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: class as a parent in my class. 162 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: Is that true? 163 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: That is true? Three daughters. He has three daughters, Lucy, 164 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: Dalton and Minerva. I taught all three, but he they 165 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: since have moved to Washington, d C. But I would 166 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: see him from time to time. 167 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: Sure, and I'm sure. 168 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: He was like, you really screwed me, But I don't care. 169 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so not the right thing for you 170 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: to do in your life. It would have just perverted 171 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: your trajectory. I really believe. 172 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: That, honestly, Like I don't even There was actually a 173 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: People magazine post lately, like recently on Instagram, and I 174 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: got back from having a girl's dinner and I'd had 175 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: some wine and the post was about Max and you 176 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: looking alike, and people were like not being that nice 177 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: to Max, and I took to Instagram in a way 178 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: I can't explain, and began replying to all the comments. 179 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: Right and then I thought to myself, like, wow, this 180 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: is this is not for me. Yeah, it's just like 181 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: I can't do it. 182 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: And not only that, but it doesn't matter. We're talking 183 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: about your our youngest son, your brother Max. He is now. 184 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: He said it ten he was going to be a director. 185 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: He kept his word. He is a director, writer and 186 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: a show runner right now. He has done a grotesqueie 187 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: before that. 188 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: Brothers. 189 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: He's also ran the show. 190 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, he ran the. 191 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: Show with the Alexis Feud and and now he's doing 192 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: a new one with his good friend Charlie Hunham. It 193 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 2: doesn't matter what they write, because boom, he is on 194 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: a rocket. 195 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 196 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: You know you are an incredible mom of three. Jed 197 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: is in the business r. 198 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: They also have a nonprofit. In case you forgot, you. 199 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: Have a nonprofit that you started how long ago? 200 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: Six years ago? 201 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: Six years ago. 202 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: I am an incredible mom and I am a nonprofit Queen. 203 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: You are you are. You are, You're very, You're very. 204 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: How much have you raised so far? I don't even 205 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: know about over two million? 206 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, probably like four million? 207 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: Four million? And where does that money go? Are there secretaries? 208 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: Nope? 209 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: Pencils nope, paper clips, nothing, It's to the children in need. 210 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: That's right. It's just me and two partners who I 211 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: love and amazing. 212 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: You take a salary. 213 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: We do not. 214 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: If I did, you wouldn't have to come to me. 215 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: All that's correct, that's not true. I'd still I mean, 216 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's part. 217 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: Of because you're so good with money. 218 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm guiding you. I'm guiding you as a parent. 219 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: Yes, you are. How do you feel you are with money? 220 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: Not great? No, it's a it's a real source of contention. 221 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: But you know what, not only you, in almost every relationship. 222 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I'm getting better. 223 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: You don't think I don't know because I don't live 224 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 2: in your house. But do you think you are? 225 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: It's not. Here's the thing, it's not. It's not like 226 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm going out and buying expensive bags or expensive shoes. 227 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: It's just, first of all, I have three kids. In 228 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It is the most expensive place to live 229 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: and it's the little things like the classes that this, 230 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: that that is. It's just it's a lot. 231 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: But that's not just you spending. That is the family spend. 232 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: What about you spending? 233 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean maybe like once in a while, I have 234 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: a hard time saying no if if you know, Gus 235 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: or Ace or Jewels want something new and I'm practicing. 236 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: And what about and Zoe wants something new? 237 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: Oh, I just get it. 238 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, whether you need it or not, No, I need it, 239 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: you need. 240 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: It's it's I know that it's a difference between want 241 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: and need, but a lot of times I need it. 242 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 2: Right, you know, for what life? 243 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: Just life, babe, Just for life. 244 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: Oh my goshfe I sure do okay. 245 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: And so let's go back to me and Rob because 246 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: that was so fun. 247 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: He was an actor when you first met, he was 248 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: an actor. And I had a talk with him in 249 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: this backyard, yes, and I said, look, you've got to 250 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: make a decision. Acting is so hit or miss, and 251 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: you're going to now be the leader of a family. 252 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: Totally the one career where there are such incredible actors 253 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: who are so well trained, so talented, and they may 254 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: never work just because it's like. 255 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: It's like pushing a camel through the eye of a needle. 256 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know, is that like a did you 257 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: just make that up? Or is that a thing? 258 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: No? I think it's a thing, but I use it 259 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: a lot because it really makes an image of how 260 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: difficult it is. And I do not, for one minute 261 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: ever take for granted. You know, I said to Max, 262 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: I said, this is an amazing time in my life. 263 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: He said, Hey, the universe is giving you. You just 264 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: take it. Now. My father, who I didn't care for, 265 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: said to me on the two bits of advice I took, 266 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: make hay while the sun shines, I would think, you 267 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: know what, I'm not going to do that because it's 268 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: going to come around again, and sometimes it never comes 269 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: around again. You take it when it is there, You 270 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 2: snatch it up and and incorporated into your life when 271 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,239 Speaker 2: it's presented. 272 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense. Okay, Okay, Well should we. 273 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: Go back to Rob Rob? So, I said to Rob, 274 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: you've got a big decision to make. So he decided 275 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: that he would go to his father's friend, best friend, 276 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: best friend. Okay, and who was a builder. 277 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: The biggest He's one of the biggest builders in. 278 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: Las Okay, and Rob started, I am so proud of 279 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: Rob for this is my favorite story. Rob started parking 280 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: cars for the crew so that that all the cars 281 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: would fit in the space allotted while they were building 282 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: somebody's house. Act. 283 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: They built like super crazy, you know, huge, huge homes 284 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: where there's a lot of staff on site, different subcontracts, 285 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: different subcontractors on site, so there's like mason and paint 286 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: and all the things. 287 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: And so then all of a sudden Rob started to 288 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: work not in the parking lot anymore, but more in 289 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: the house and he met this young man Brian. And 290 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: Brian is like a savant. Brian, I've never seen anything 291 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: like it, looks at a house from the outside and 292 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: tells you what it needs, and he is right. So 293 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: these two guys, having met on the construction site, start 294 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: a business. 295 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: Brian's uncle is Rick Holts, who owned the company at 296 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: the time that Rob was working. 297 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: Okay, and these two guys, Rob and Brian go off 298 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: and they start their own company from scratch, and they 299 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: now are building homes in order to be able to 300 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: support you and the three boys, And I just think 301 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: it is phenomenal. 302 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: It is there are three women actually started their company, 303 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: which I think is also so cool, Eliza Pressman, Amanda 304 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: Anka and Blair Cohan. 305 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: You mean those are the three people three people yes 306 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: to them right away. 307 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: Yes to them, and then said yes and we are 308 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: going to recommend you, recommend you and that those women, 309 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: I feel like we owe so much too. 310 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not kidding. So that is also the lesson 311 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: of anybody listening. The time is now. You don't put 312 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: off what it is you know you need to do. 313 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: You just go and put one foot in front of 314 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: the other and try it out and keep moving forward 315 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: and then boom, it is very possible you two can 316 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: live your vision. 317 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 318 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's important, an important thought to me, I think 319 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: it is. But I really we have We're very lucky. 320 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: Stacey and I are really lucky. We have three great 321 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: two great daughter in laws and an incredible son in law. 322 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like that can be tricky, you know. 323 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: So I feel very lucky that I love my sister 324 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: in laws and on Rob's side too. Rob is one 325 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: of five, so I have four sister in laws on 326 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: that side, and I have two sister in laws on 327 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: my side, and I feel like really lucky, you know, 328 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: like I feel because. 329 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: There are so many people who don't get along or 330 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: don't put the effort into getting along. 331 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I hear all the time. So Rob 332 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: has a really big family. 333 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: Yes, and how many they're twenty one? 334 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: They're no, they're I mean there's five siblings, everyone has 335 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: a significant other, and then there's sixteen grandkids, right, and 336 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: then the mom and the dad. So that's a lot 337 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: of people. I can't do that with exactly, but that 338 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: that's a lot of people. 339 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: I thought it came out to about twenty one. 340 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: No, that it would be more than that because there's 341 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: sixteen grandkids, ten adults. That's twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, 342 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: it's twenty eight when we all travel together. 343 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a lot of birthday cards. 344 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: It's a lot of birthday cards. And you know, my 345 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: mother in law she does this amazing thing where every 346 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: single birthday she hand paints a birthday card and even 347 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: and even even for mom. 348 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: Mom said the last time that she got a card 349 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: just now, her birthday was just a few days ago. 350 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: And Lois painted flowers in watercolor and Stacey said, what, 351 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: I really want to frame this. 352 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's pretty amazing. Whenever the kids are 353 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: liking at the time, like for jewels she did, like baseball, 354 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: and for gush she did puppies and you know, but 355 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: that's like a lot of family and a lot of 356 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: my friends always say like I could never spend so 357 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: much time with family, not just his family, or we 358 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time together as well. 359 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: We do. 360 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: We celebrate every holiday together. 361 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: In the room that we're sitting in. 362 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: Yes, in this room. 363 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: I love this room because it is filled with with 364 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: adult comfort, sation, great food, and toys. All of our grandchildren, 365 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: all of their friends. This house is very friendly to people, 366 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: to gatherings of large groups. 367 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: It always was like that, Like growing up our house, 368 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: our door was always open. 369 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. And part of that was you. 370 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: Didn't want us go into other people's house. 371 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 2: No, only those people you were friends with. Some people 372 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: we didn't trust. 373 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: And none of those people are still in my life, 374 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: which is so because you. 375 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: Are you have got good taste. What I love is 376 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: you mentioned Kim before. When did you meet Kim? How 377 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: old were you? 378 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean we were originally babies when we met, and 379 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: then because of Howard and Margaret and Robert and then 380 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: we re met again, we would see each other like 381 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: at birthday stuff. But then we re met again super 382 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: close at thirteen. At thirteen and do you remember when 383 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: Courtney did her Yeah. 384 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: And they were here in our backyard and wonderful young ladies. 385 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 2: And they have grown into wonderful women. I mean, you 386 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: know you, whatever you think your vision is of this 387 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 2: ultra successful human being, she is as dear as she 388 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: was when I first met her. 389 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: But I remember when Courtney did her first reality show, 390 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: Cattle Drive another one. You wouldn't that's great? They when I. 391 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: Ask you a question when now we're talking, we're joking 392 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: and everything. Do you miss not having done House? 393 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't. I don't think I ever would have 394 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: met Rob if I was doing that. That's an interesting 395 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: and I don't think that. I just think my life 396 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: would be different. And also I don't I would have 397 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: said something that probably would have burned the whole house down, 398 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: because you have no filter anyways, So I remember when 399 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: Courtney did that show. We had her premiere party here, 400 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: do you remember, Yes, and Chris came and she made 401 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: all that stuff and Kate, well, at the time it 402 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: was Bruce and Bruce grilled steaks in the backyard and 403 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: we had a full party for her for her first 404 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: for her show. I feel really lucky because both sets 405 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: of parents, you guys and Rob's parents are super involved 406 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: in our kids' lives. And it's funny because a couple 407 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, when I went to d C for 408 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: your award at the Smithsonian and to visit my best 409 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: friend Emily, who lives there, I was thinking to myself, like, 410 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 1: I want to get out of LA Like I've been 411 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: there my whole life. 412 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: It's so, it's just there's well. 413 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying we would never leave. Well, first of all, 414 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: Rob's whole company is here, and you built a company. 415 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: Let me just say, you take your talent wherever you go. 416 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: I know, But that's not the point. The point is 417 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: that I would never leave because I would never want 418 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: to be away from you guys, or from the rhinuses. 419 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, that's a lovely compliment. 420 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now you tell me that you wouldn't want me 421 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: to leave. 422 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: Me there if you want to go, No, I'm not kidding. 423 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, what would you do without me? 424 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: You know what? It would be very hard. There is 425 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: a whole like every other Sunday you go to your 426 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 2: in laws for dinner, every other holiday, every other year 427 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: you go to your in laws for that holiday. 428 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, like this year, it's my year with the rhinos. 429 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: And I'm telling you it. I understand it. I think 430 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 2: it is right. I think you know it's a must. 431 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: But there is a hole in the fabric of the 432 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: event with all of you not there. 433 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: Honestly, my dream would be too if we could have 434 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: it all together. But it's just too many people because 435 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: their family alone is twenty six and also they have, 436 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, all their extended family. And then we have 437 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: a big family, not a big family, but we've built 438 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: family with friends. 439 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: Yes, right, and not only that, but also the line 440 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: would be too long to get dinner. Yeah, that's right, 441 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: and I don't hold back. You know, family first does 442 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: not exist. 443 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: You're always first. 444 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: I am You're always and I don't care. 445 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: No, you love it. 446 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: I need to get it while it's hot. 447 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: I think this year for Thanksgiving, we should try to 448 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: find a bread that's not wonderbread. What do you think? 449 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: Never? No, you mean my sandwich. 450 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we should. We could find like 451 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: a better like non GMO option. 452 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: Okay, here it is. I don't believe it. Wonder bread, mayonnaise, 453 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 2: turkey stuffing, from the skillet. 454 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. We talked about this already on crambar. 455 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 2: I don't care, okay what I do, because I'm going 456 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: to have it in a few days and I'm so 457 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: excited about it has to be wonder bread. 458 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I just I'd like to just like switch 459 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: it out to a little experiment. 460 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: You make your own. 461 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: Say no, I'm going to give it to you and 462 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: you're not going to know. You'll have half and half 463 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: and we'll any a tartine sourdough. 464 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: Delicious, beautifully toasted with jam for this, not for this, okay, 465 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: all right, but really good? 466 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: Okay. 467 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? And that that other one all the way in 468 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 2: the venice, Oh my god. 469 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: Adore dash it. Yeah, maybe that's the one where you 470 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: adore what I have it delivered. I uber eats it. 471 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: The soured oat bread very far it has become so. 472 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: Do you know what I like doing errands? 473 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: Me too. 474 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: I really I feel accomplished. I feel like I'm getting out. 475 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: It's fun to walk up and down the aisles of 476 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: whatever store I'm in. 477 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: You are like not a real person, though, Like someone 478 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: would assume that you might be stoned all day and 479 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: you don't. You don't get stone, but you're just like 480 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: happy to be here. 481 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: I am. 482 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: I'm a bitter Betty. 483 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: That's such a great way to say it. 484 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: You're just like you're like that little like mister happy, 485 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: and I'm just like. 486 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wonder why. 487 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. 488 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: I don't know either, because you know, we've only got 489 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 2: one life finished. Pretty wonderful right now. 490 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that a lot lately, that life 491 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: is so fragile and so precious, and we're so lucky 492 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: to be here, and we're so lucky to just be 493 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: on the earth, to be on the earth, it's just. 494 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people cannot see past their own nose. 495 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: That is, it's hard and there I believe there's going 496 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: to be a rude awakening. 497 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: Okay, what is that going to look like? 498 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure. I don't know. 499 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. 500 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: Being the parents of three children who are adults who 501 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: have their own family, and then sometimes the dynamic between 502 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: the three children gets complicated and then you're drawn in 503 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: and you get different versions from every side. 504 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: We actually had this conversation recently because I had an 505 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: argument with one of my brothers and I wanted you 506 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: to handle it right, and you said, No, I. 507 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: Said no, because I could not handle it. I could 508 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: not get to the bottom of it. I was right 509 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 2: in the same way, in the same way that you 510 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: could get to the bottom of it if and when 511 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: you want to resolve it. 512 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: No, I get that. I mean, I think it's really 513 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: hard because you start out with your parents kind of 514 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: guiding you and sort of steering the ship, and then 515 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: there's this like, I can't believe that I'm now the adult. 516 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean, in so many ways, I run a home, 517 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: I have three kids, I have a business, I participate, 518 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: participate in their lives in life. I give tours at 519 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: my kids' schools where like to prospective parents. And it's 520 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: shocking to me that I'm the adult because I still 521 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: feel like I have a mom and dad, who you know, 522 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: are really the adults, and I'm just an adult in training. 523 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 2: That isn't true. And it's the same way as when 524 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: you graduate from school and you sometimes on Sunday night areas, 525 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: I have I have homework. Oh and of course there 526 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: is none. 527 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't really graduate, so I never really had 528 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: that feeling. 529 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: No, but look at it, look at one. But look 530 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 2: here's the question. Yeah, let's talk about that. I think 531 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 2: the Brothers was an interesting topic. But you did not 532 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: finish college. 533 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I have two credits left. 534 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: Okay, you have. You did not finish college. 535 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: I have two credits left. 536 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: Did that really impact your life? 537 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: It did not? Okay, did that not impact my life 538 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: because I chose a different route And. 539 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 2: It was because of your own personal power, because of 540 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: who you are as a human being. You know, the 541 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 2: traditional way is not always the absolute most important way. 542 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: No, I agree with that for sure. 543 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: You didn't graduate. You did go to graduation. We went 544 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: there and celebrated you. People sent you so many presents 545 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 2: and we said, now you've got to send them back 546 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: because you didn't graduate, and you said no, no, you said. 547 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: No, we did. That was such a good That was 548 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: such a great time. I thought about going back to 549 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: college to just like finish those two classes. 550 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: But I don't know that important. It's not in your life. 551 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 2: It's not. 552 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: But there's this huge conversation now about nepo babies. Okay, 553 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: so it means like nepotism. Do you know what that means? 554 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: It means when you get something because of your parents. 555 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the exact. 556 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: Do you believe meaning you have gotten. 557 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: Not one thing. So here's what I would you said, yes, 558 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: but here's what I wanted to say. I think the 559 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: idea of nepo babies, and maybe it's because I am one, 560 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: is such both because there are so many of that 561 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: that like class of people. 562 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: Who children who are children of children. 563 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: Children of famous people, and I don't I just don't 564 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: believe that that is an excuse like people will say like, oh, yeah, 565 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: well that's because they're a nepo baby or whatever, that 566 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: if you don't have talent, honestly, that it will only 567 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: get you so far. It can get your it can 568 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: get you in a door the door, right, but if 569 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: you want to stay in the if you want to 570 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: stay in the room, that's on you, right. And I 571 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: that that concept to. 572 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: Me is yeah, but it doesn't apply to you. So 573 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 2: you don't even have to worry about it. You shouldn't 574 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: lose sleep over it. And I have to say that 575 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 2: I'm very proud of your drive, of your drive. Max, 576 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: your youngest brother, the same thing. I wouldn't allow me 577 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: to make one phone call for him. 578 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: I would have allowed you to make phone calls for me. 579 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: Yes, this problem when we were when we were when 580 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: we were younger, when you were sixteen, you used me 581 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: like a garden tool. 582 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: Sure did. 583 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: There would be a handsome boy and you would stand 584 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: next to me like you loved me. I always like, yeah, 585 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: but who knew? And you would say, let's walk, and 586 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: then don't look at him, don't look at him, look 587 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: at the ground, look at the sky, don't look at him, 588 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: and then you would use me to impress him. 589 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Did it work like like literally all the time. 590 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: Well I'm happy about that. 591 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, like clockwork. Yeah, I could like definitely like count 592 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: on me. But I think with that also came an 593 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: insecurity in me where I need to be liked so much. 594 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: I'm starting to grow out of it, but I am so. 595 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: I think I was so insecure about people liking me 596 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: for me that I would sort of make sure that 597 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: I always I don't I would overcompensate. 598 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, I'm very sorry about that 599 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: because you are so like a bull. You are I 600 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: mean not because you're my daughter, but you are so likeabull. 601 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: But there is something I had growing up exactly the 602 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: same crisis. Yeah, until about like last Tuesday. 603 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm working on it now, but there's a part of 604 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: me that doesn't feel like worthy. Yeah, there's a part 605 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: of me sometimes that doesn't feel like you know what 606 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: I think not alone, No, I don't either. I think 607 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: that that's a really normal thing. I think there's a 608 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: part of me that's like, oh well, if they figure 609 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: it out, you know, like it's it sometimes feels like 610 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: it's this sort of like like I'm one person and 611 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: then but inside I feel I was at this function 612 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: with a bunch of people from like my like old 613 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: friends and just like a bunch of people and one 614 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: of the guys married this incredible woman and I love 615 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: her and I've seen her many times over the years, 616 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: and she said to me, you're so cool. I was 617 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: told to be scared of you. I was warned and 618 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: I was like me, I'm the biggest mush insecure, you know, 619 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: like but it was so toughy. But it's so funny 620 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: because I think the persona that you what you give 621 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: off from years of whoever you are, any person who 622 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: you are, you're outside face and then you're insight total 623 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: totally different. 624 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: But let me just say the phone that you're sitting 625 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: next to, there were days a few years the actual 626 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: phone behind the toy phone. What that is a replacement 627 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: because you would call with such anger that it the 628 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: plastic literally melted into the furniture. 629 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: Was angry. 630 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: I have no idea, but I want to tell you. 631 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: I shook listening to you saying don't ever do that again. 632 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: I and and. 633 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: Don't ever do it again. 634 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 2: I won't. Okay, notice I haven't because the phone is 635 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: still intact. 636 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: I love you, Dad. Thanks for doing this. 637 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 2: This is a week pleasure. 638 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us for our fourth episode of What 639 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: in the Winkler. If you're enjoying this podcast, please give 640 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: us a five star rating and like it and subscribe 641 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: it and do whatever else you need to do. 642 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: Your friends. 643 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: Tell your friends I'm desperate. 644 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: And if you know, you're a desperate not a. 645 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: Liam, I have a bitter Betty. I'm a desperate Debbie. Okay, Okay, 646 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: this needs to go off. Yeah, yeah, I'm the new star. Yes, 647 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: Max and Dad move over.