WEBVTT - Brandi Carlile & Tanya Tucker 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:15.319 Pushkin. Tanya Tucker was only fourteen in the spring of 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.759 nineteen seventy two when she released Delta Down. It was 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.919 a first crack at recording a single, and while she 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.880 was still in school, the song became a country radio hit, 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.920 her first of dozens over the years. Even at that 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.480 young age and despite being a woman, she was lumped 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.080 in with the crop of country singers known affectionately as 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:37.159 outlaws Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Chris Christofferson, Waylon Jennings. She 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:38.880 took a little break from the music business in the 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.479 early eighties and then came roaring back in the nineties 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:45.199 during another classic period of country music. By her own admission, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.680 she was just unmotivated record music over the last couple 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.159 of decades and just sort of fell off, But that 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.680 all changed when she met Brandy Carlyle. Brandy, a singer 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.440 songwriter from outside Seattle with the country flair, has been 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.120 killing it since twenty eighteen, when her breakout album By 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.000 the Way I Forgive You was released. She wrote the 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.600 Wheels of Laredo and several others on Tanya's album While 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.520 I'm Living and co produced the record with Whalen's son, 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.039 Shooter Jennings. It's Tanya's first album of new material in 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.319 sixteen years, and she almost didn't make it after bailing 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.520 a few times on the recording sessions, thinking the songs 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.600 just weren't good enough. Though eventually she released and made 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.880 what others in her now considered to be her comeback record, 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.800 and as you'll hear, our own Rick Rubin had something 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:31.760 to do with it. This is broken record liner notes 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:40.040 for the digital age. I'm justin Richmond. Just a quick 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.280 note here. You can listen to all of the music 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.039 mentioned in this episode on our playlist, which you can 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.800 find a link to in the show notes. For licensing reasons, 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.720 each time a song is referenced in this episode, you'll 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:58.280 hear this sound effect all right. Enjoy the episode. Rick 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:00.680 sat with Brandy and Tanye at Shangrilo on Malibu to 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.560 talk about the album and what it means after so 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.280 much time away to make vibrant music again at sixty 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.120 Hello missus Ribbon, How were you to see you? I 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.560 never have never have no. I sent my my nephew 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.239 out the parking lot to give him a message. I remember, 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.240 I'm scared to go talk to you. I didn't know 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.160 that you I didn't know you were there. Yeah, well 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.160 I lived up Ontador, but he didn't say that you 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:36.720 were there. Oh he didn't know. She loves Yeah, that's recruitment. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:42.359 Go get my phone number. I like your makeup today. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.840 My makeup hardly have any own, girl. Maybe that's why 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.360 I like it. Did my brandy look today? I like it? 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:52.320 I like it. I like it. I was busting as 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:56.120 trying to get here. It was a great day, though, 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:01.239 beautiful day for convertible. You're top down today? Yeah, isn't 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.040 that nice? Yeah? Boy, it really is a lot of 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.639 traffic though where you come from. Uh, we came from 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:14.679 Oklahoma City. We did a show there on the thirteenth. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.240 And then he pointed, pointed to bus this way. Are 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.040 you Are you on tourn most of the time? Yeah, 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:28.080 lifetime beautiful. It don't stop. And they're both on their 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:35.800 cycles some bulldogs and I just talked him by the way, 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.520 and he wants me to mention to you so I 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.600 can have this done. Felice. Did I mention to you 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:49.720 about Felicia? Felicia and Boodlow Bryant about they had five 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.840 They wrote five thousand songs, but only sixteen hundred have 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:59.520 been cut like Rocky tub you very famous stuo and writing, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.720 and he is getting all the I guess he's been 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.720 the same thing like with Cawboy Cowboy Jack getting all 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:10.840 the catalog. And they really his family, Their family wants you, 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.440 of course, I said, people, everyone wants that you just 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.640 cut one of their songs. And I said, well, I'll 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.919 tell her. I'll tell her. And they want me to 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.800 cut one of their songs and pick one that maybe 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.000 hadn't been recorded yet. So I said, well, I'll tell 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.240 her and then you I could give her the details later. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.279 Well you know by now, but sure you tell Brandy 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.760 that there's no road. I won't follow you down, I said, 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.000 I swear. I mean, I I'm sure they've got some 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.320 great songs. You know. I don't know if I can 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:43.080 wear that or not. I'm hot, was tripping it off. Yeah, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:44.880 it was so cool, Rick. When we came in here, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.640 I've never been here before, yea. And we recorded Christopherson 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.760 in here a beautiful song of Dennis's. He's a great writer. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.240 And we call a song called on My Way to 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:59.120 Heaven and so we recorded it here. Everybody here, Uh 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.760 was so nice. Really, really, it's a good crew it's 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.880 a nice place to come. Really really got and they 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:09.719 were so sweet. It was just really really monumental for 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.560 me to have Chris come in and and he did 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.240 such a good job. I'm so proud of it. He's 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.000 one of the real great writers. Like yeah, well, yeah, 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.080 as good as it gets. Yeah yeah. And then Billy 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.120 Joe Shaber called me on the way over here. I 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.679 guess Dennis is trying to help him get his catalog 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.520 and all that together, so all over the place, and 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.600 he's had some health trouble. So no, he's always there 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.720 a quay and he's always right there, and n he's 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.359 putting all my stuff together, you know, old videos and 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:43.440 things that home movies and things that just are It's 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.400 really precious to me. But it couldn't get anybody to 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.160 when you when you start looking for stuff like that, Yeah, 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.799 where is it? You know? Oh, where's it? My? Wherehouse 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.400 is it? Who's got it? What was your first experience 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.840 of going on the road. My first experience of going 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:04.039 on the road. I guess probably that would have to 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:08.440 be uh, you know, I I was still going to school. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.560 I had like three number one records out, still going 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.960 to school, trying to trying to stay in school and 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.159 how old are you at the time. I was fifteen, okay, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.800 uh and fort Is turned fifteen, didn't have my own 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.640 band yet, and uh, I had Belt of course I 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:32.040 had Delta don Jamestown Blood Red, and I think it 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:33.400 might have been would You Lay with Me in a 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.680 Field of Stone? But David Allan co song it went 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.520 number one, you know. So we got we were living 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.480 in right outside of Las Vegas, and we got a 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.880 Texas tour with Johnny Rodriguez. Johnny Rodriguez had out passing 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.719 by of course, like Delta down. So he was He's 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.120 like twenty and I was fourteen. And we had two 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.080 brown Lincoln Continentals and he had one and I had 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.719 the other. And I think we probably played every juice 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.880 joint in Texas, you know, with the with the chicken 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.320 wire and all, you know, and uh, you know he 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.400 was at that time, he was like Elvis. I mean, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.160 the girls would just go crazy over him, and then 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:15.680 I'd get up there, and then you know, the guys 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:20.200 were afraid to you know, holler for me. The girl. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.200 Their girlfriends get mad. You know. I always used to 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.440 be so mad about that. God, dang it. Why don't 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.720 they do me like that? You know. Now I get 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.440 up there and they're like, you know, it's quiet. And 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.560 we had this band called the Cowtowners working for both 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.800 of us, who you know, was not what I would 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.480 think the greatest band in the world. But we did it, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.840 we did, but we did. I bet three months, three 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.480 or four months, and then we were last show was 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.160 in Lubbock, Texas, and and we had to go back 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.680 to San Antono, which is where our hub was. And 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.640 my mother, my my dad, me and this little kid 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.640 my dad was managing, decided instead of flying back, my 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.680 dad thought we'd saved some money and drive back to 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.480 San antone, one hundred and sixty miles with this fan 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:12.680 that followed me everywhere. He had a FOURD LTD. And 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.000 here we go. And in Brady, Texas, we had a 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.560 head on collision, and you know, a little bit small hospital. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.640 Seven minutes after we had the head on collision, a 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.240 bunch of young cowboys, like seventeen eighteen, about seven of 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.560 them got in a wreck. So that hospital was one 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.800 little doctor there. And my mother was the worst. She 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.480 really got the bunt, the brunt of all of it, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.560 and broke both of my dad's arms. I had a 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.240 concussion and uh so we you know, they kept my 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.520 mother for about three months in the hospital and they 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.560 would just turn her, you know, she was in a 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.680 contraption where What was so wild about it, though, is 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.959 they did they did u X rays and they did 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.520 X rays on my mother on her neck on her 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.480 back was both broken. And then we get to San 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.280 Antone and they rushed to sin and they they did 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.520 the of course, all the way there, Jeff Allen, the 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.320 little kid that my dad was managing, he prayed all 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.040 the way. I've never heard anybody pray like that in 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:18.040 my life. And fast de little, you know, and he was, yeah, 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.360 be quiet, you know, and he prayed all the way 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.840 to San Antonio about from my mother, and they took 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.079 X rays of her, and the doctor came out and 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.760 tell my dad her neck's not broken, and he goes, 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.560 the hell it ain't. And he gave him the other 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:38.720 uh X rays, put him side by side, and he said, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.320 I don't know what to say. He said, it's just 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:47.000 a miracle. So I always always I felt very, very 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.560 connected to Jeff after that, so, you know, he he 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.679 I felt like it was he was the reason beautiful 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.440 but that was about It was just a really hard time, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.720 you know that first sure, What was it like being 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.400 in school with other kids and you have hit records 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.160 on the radio. Well, man, I had a lot of problems. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.480 I mean, I had just moved to My dad pulled 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:16.000 up at him a trailer it's called trailer estates had 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.960 for sales sign out in front of it, and my 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.640 dad says, we'll be right back. He said, your mother 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.920 waiting a car. So about ten minutes later he and 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:28.079 he waved us in. We walked in and that there 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.160 was a lady in there that on the trailer. He said, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.480 sing this lady's song, and I just read back and 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.400 did h you're cheating heart, you know. And when I 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:44.200 got done singing Swilight Crazy People, she she said, I'm 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.720 going to Missouri. I'll see y'all later, and she left. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.560 So we moved in to this trailer amazing. And I 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.600 don't know what my dad said to her, but I 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.520 guess she put two and four together and looked pretty good. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.000 And so we lived there and I was going to 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.920 school and my dad was working, my mother was working 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.280 it safeway, and I was looking for change in the 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:10.160 sofa every morning. I don't remember it being hard for me, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.080 but it was. He went to school. Oh yeah. Finally 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.840 my dad started letting me drop the car and I 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.400 drive my car to too. I was in high school. 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:23.560 I was first first year of high school. My freshman year. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.240 When I was riding the bus, I'd get off the 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.120 bus and they'd be girls, you know, dell to see 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.959 what's that poo? I smell on. You couldn't be you 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.360 need a bathroom shower two, you know, and they were 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.880 just they'd make fun of me. So my dad had 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.079 he started teaching me how to fight and how to box. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.600 You know, he said, them girls, he said, they can't 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.160 take it on the nose. He said, you get it 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:47.960 one time on the nose or out. You know, them 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.240 boys he said it can take it. But the girls 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.000 one time boom gone. And he said just give him 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.040 one of them, you know, from bring one from the floor. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.880 So I would be in boxing lessons from my dad 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.680 at night. And then there was one time when I 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.000 looked and I looked and I found those those yellow boxes. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.520 You know. He didn't want me to see that, those 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.400 yellow boxes, I guess, or food stamps or whatever. Okay, 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.520 you know, yeah, but I found him, and my mother said, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.000 don't you tell your dad you you found those, because 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.880 he was very you know, proud man. And you know 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.360 when we went out of the road, it was we 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.600 learned together. You know, you're not getting paid for for 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.040 those the music, like you you had songs on the radio, 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.520 Well we did if you were on food stamps. Yeah, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.280 oh yeah, yeah, we didn't. We didn't really know what 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.520 the next move was. My dad was shooting from the hip, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.520 you know, he didn't know. But everything we did do 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:47.360 was because of him, and uh uh kind of learned together. 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.080 And I remember one time we had that old station away. 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.280 It was going somewhere. He's trying to get me to 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.600 meet with somebody. You know, this was before I got 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.640 started or before I had the record, first record, and 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.680 uh he pulled into a gas station and said, listen, son, 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.959 He said, I got a brand new jack. Now back 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.920 in my car. He said, if you'll feel my tank 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.000 full of gas, you have that jack, and that guy 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:14.520 just hell hell sure, because he would He was trying 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:19.200 to get me somewhere you know that would hopefully somebody 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.199 would do something for me. And the guy, of course 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.560 kind of it was a it was a bum bumm deal. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.040 But at least we tried. He tried, and then that's 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.680 that's where my dad was. But I didn't. I didn't. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.720 We didn't I have. He finally got me my first 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.640 second man, actually second manager was John Kelly and in 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.559 Las Vegas, and he ended up having to buy him 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.840 out because he knew he wouldn't take me where I 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.680 needed to go. And I toured with his wife for 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.840 a while, g d Lynn and I was playing the lounges, 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:55.360 you know, three shows a night, the Flamingo Hotel at fourteen, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:01.280 you know, so it's pretty wild. I want you think 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.679 about it much. Does start talking about you know, well 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.120 you tell Rick about how you're how your dad used 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.680 to sleep. Yeah, well, me and my dad would tour 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.760 a lot. Yeah, missed, me and him when he had 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.000 a house ban. So he'd be driving trying to get 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.959 to the next gig, and I just slide over. He'd 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.680 be like, baby, I need a nap. Yeah, he's I 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.920 got I gotta sleep, and he and uh, he'd slide 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.760 over and I would drive for a lot and he 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.800 wake up a couple of hours later and go, oh 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:36.440 my god. You know. And I was fourteen, fourteen and 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.560 It was one time I was sitting on the back 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.560 of the toilet and the girls locker room and we 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:46.720 was playing somewhere up north in Wisconsin. The place was 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.200 packed a little, uh you know, high school gym, and 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:52.920 I'm sitting on the back of the toilet with my 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.120 feet on the toilet seat in the girl's locker room 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.680 when you in a stall. So my dad, would you know, 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.360 just claim he's pacing. I'm going I can't talk. I 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.280 can't even sing. I can't talk. What are you gonna 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:07.120 do now? I had learnet is so bad and he 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.800 I watched it. He can come in and I see 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.600 him go buy pacing and he find it. He's stopped 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.400 and said, I got it, I got it, I got it. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.840 He goes that contract said one hour show. Didn't say 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:25.600 a damn thing about singing. He said you just get 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.800 up there, and he said, you tell them people that 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.760 you can't sing tonight. But you got your man is 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.480 gonna play all your songs, which wasn't my band, and 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.840 you're gonna sign autographs and shake everybody's hands, and let's 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.920 get our money going down the road. And I think 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.680 it was like six hundred bucks. And nobody left he said. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.600 They didn't come to see it to hear you. They 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.280 can't hear you on the radio and hear you get 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.280 home on a record player, he said, they come to 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.920 see you. And if you look at him once, he said, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.240 and he also says something I remember, pick out the 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.080 ugliest boy on the front road, he said, because them 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.640 boys don't get no attention, he said, And they'll buy 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.920 records till the day you die. But they're pretty boys. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.840 They get all the attention all the time. And so 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:09.040 I learned a lot from him. I showed up talk 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.160 about him. I showed up. We showed it one time 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:18.160 and the outside bleachers were full. And in those days, 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:23.000 country promoters were just the worst there, really the worst. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:28.880 Oh yeah, yeah, well not much has changed. But I 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.680 got there and they didn't. The promoter didn't have any speakers, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.280 no speakers. So I said, my dadd okay, now what 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:41.520 are we gonna do? Ya mister brilliant you know, he said, Hey, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.440 just sing real loud, And that's what I did. I 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.680 did the whole show with no speakers, and I was 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.080 so hoarse from how many people were there, I'd say, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:55.440 probably wow, it was a big It was on one 0:16:55.480 --> 0:17:02.560 of them race tracks, you know, Oh my gosh, yeah, outdoors, outdoors. Yeah. 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:08.080 My dad was a he was a warrior. Very uh. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.600 I've never met anybody like him. Yeah. You know, everybody 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.920 always talks about their mom and dad, and I got 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.800 the best and you know, I had the best parents 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.639 for me. Yeah, in the whole world. And I'm so 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.040 glad that I was blessed with both of them. Beautiful, 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.360 you know. And they were married sixty seven years. When 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:30.119 my dad passed an oh six on Thanksgiving morning, he 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.879 got his wings and so that was a man. You know, 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.639 it was a real tough time for me after that. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.560 I was living out here actually Malibu and kind of 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.760 lost my mojo after that. And then my mother passed 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.639 in twenty twelve, and that was like what am I 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.560 doing this for? You know? I lost the people that 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.200 really I just felt like there was less love in 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.200 the future than they had been in the past. Yes, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:59.720 and I didn't want to accept that. But then I thought, 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.440 I think, well, I got my kids, and you know, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.080 that's that's a future that's going to be there, that 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.639 they're always gonna love me. And but I felt like 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.760 I'd lost the ones that were gonna love me the most, 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.520 and that was in the past, and the future wasn't 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.720 wasn't bright enough. And then here comes Brandy, Well, I 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.679 love you. I love you with all my damn art. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:22.800 And that's the great thing about it is I know 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.560 she's telling me the truth. How did you guys meet? 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.360 I we met on face time. I met Tanye before 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.240 she met me because I started singing tan years music 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.080 as an eight year old on stage at the Northwest 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.600 Grand Ole Opry outside of Seattle, where I'm from. Northerners feel, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.840 I think more passionate about country music than Southerners do 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.720 sometimes because we don't have proximity on our side, so 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:52.120 we defensively say, you know, country isn't southern, it's country 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:57.760 and western. Yeah, and uh so I loved country music, 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.639 but I had to a sense of gender dysphoria, and 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.639 I didn't understand what my place was as a singer 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:09.359 because I wanted to sound tough and I heard Delta 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.359 Don and I was like, that woman sounds tough and 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.200 they're like, well, that's not a woman. That's a little 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:18.120 little girl. And she's thirteen, you know, And I was eight, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.080 and I was like, well, hell, like this is this 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:22.359 is me? This is what I want to do. I 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.159 want to sound just like that, like that girl. And 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.560 then I started doing San Antonio Stroll and What's your 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.639 Mama's Name? And Ride Up through Trouble and ride up 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.720 through strong Enough to Bend and all the way to 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.200 two Sparrows and a Hurricane. I became such a Tanya 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.600 Tucker fanatic as a child. So I've been in love 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.320 with ten years music and didn't see any difference between 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:47.200 Tanya and Cash, or Tanya and Dolly, or Tanya and Loretta, 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.480 because she's such a part of that landscape, even though 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:50.919 she was so much younger than all of them. She 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.399 was right there alongside him at the opry and and 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.760 so it just passed, you know, as I kind of 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:01.600 dove into britpop and started to kind of have these 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.920 crushes on flamboyant gay British men. But it all came 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.520 back to me when I kind of found my roots again, 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.679 and I wondered, like, where the Hell's Tanya Tucker, you know? 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:15.280 And I was on, Yeah, where the Hell's Danny Zucker? 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.920 And Shooter Jennings says to me when we were making 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:19.320 the album, he goes, I think I just heard some 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.800 Tanya Tucker in your voice and I was like, oh, yeah, 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.160 you did, you really did. And I was like, God, 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.639 why why isn't Tany Zucker making any music anymore? She 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.600 not well? Like what's going on? He's like, actually, she's 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.040 really well and she can sing her ass off and 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:36.159 I'm gonna make a record with her. You want to 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.479 write some songs. And I was like, please, please introduce 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.720 me to Tanny Tucker. And he did. He introduced me 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.359 to Tanya. He got me involved in the album, and 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.280 now Tanya has become one of my best friends and 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.440 she's my hero and mentor. Oh it's totally so it's 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:52.760 like to be almost like a yeah, it's almost like 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:57.399 it was written. Yeah, we're just living it out. But 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:02.000 I was playing Vegas actually, and the Brandy's nominations came out. 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.960 Of course, Brandy was up for six and I was 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:07.800 so sick in Vegas and I didn't think I was 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.040 I thought, this is really where I'm gonna die. The 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:14.639 Golden Nugget and oh, I mean I just knew there 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:18.800 was going to be a bit dead. And they finally 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:20.439 got in the hotel room and I was having an 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.680 IV trying to you know, buy him an IV and 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:27.639 get better, and the FaceTime call came in and it 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:32.800 was Brandy. So I'm slum laying there like and just 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.080 letting her talk. And that's kind of how we first 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.560 first met. But I mean as far as you know, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.359 looking at each other. But the real first time I 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.040 met her was the day we walked into the studio, 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.720 the first day we worked, and I had never really 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.119 heard of her. I was out of the loop. My 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:52.880 kids did my kids, mom, you know Brandy Carl, Oh 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.440 my god, like al king, you know, she wanted to 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.359 do something with me, and I didn't know. I wasn't aware, 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:01.840 and my kids were like, oh my god, I can't believe. 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.520 So they really were informed me a little bit a 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.520 lot actually about what's going on, and they were very 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.600 aware of Brandy and I, but I had never and 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:15.119 so I had never really heard her sing any of 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.919 her her songs or the joke and what was the 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:19.879 other one you did? Did you get a joke on 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:24.160 the Grammys? Yeah? And the story it was close two 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.639 But I saw on the Grammys and that's after we 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:28.439 that's the first time you ever saying even though we 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.600 had made a record, we'd been in the studio for 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:34.200 three weeks, and I happened to watch the Grammys and 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.240 and I saw her and I thought, Wow, this girl's 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.920 blowing me away. And then the other day we were 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:46.000 in New York City. She was playing Philly and Lucas 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.919 was playing or. No, you were in New Jersey something 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:53.960 like that. Lucas was close. Yeah, And of course we'd 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:58.240 just played Farmmaide and or we getting ready to play Farmmaide. Yeah, 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:03.920 and uh so I took the train to Philly from me. Yeah, 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:11.640 and I've never seen her, and it was Lucas and Luke. 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.560 Lucas came over and joined us, and but I, you know, 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.200 she said something. Of course, I went to Lucas's bust 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.360 and after that, I was going, like god, and they said, 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.960 Brandy's gonna want you to sing, and I went, oh, no, old, nold, No, 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.200 how long is this last? Lucas, how long he was 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:31.720 gonna last? He's laugh for a long time. But why yeah, 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:36.160 And I'm like, that's what happened. I'm going I can't talk. 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:37.840 I don't know how these guys sing when they do 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:41.679 that stuff. So we went over and I get this 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:47.280 bright idea, you know, to come from the audience which 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.040 she introduced me. Yeah, so I forgot to tell her. 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.000 I forgot to tell anybody because she was on the 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:56.959 board of it. Yeah. So I thought it'd be so 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.680 cool to come from the audience when she So I'm 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:01.720 what kind of the back And because I don't like 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.840 to be in the audience, I never never have liked it. So, uh, 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.399 I see I coming on stage and whispered something to 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:12.080 Brandy's here and we can't find her. We can't find 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.000 her anywhere. And I was surprised. I was not surprised. 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.080 I was like, well, if she's meant to be up here, 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:20.120 she's gonna get up here. Yeah. And so here comes 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:22.640 Tandy Zucker walking down the middle of it. I solve 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.640 the problem, and I went, oh shit. So I hustled 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.760 down to the front row and I looked and there 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:33.359 was one seat in the very middle. Yeah, And so 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:35.960 I went. I grat I went and I sat down, 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:38.600 And of course it kind of backfired because all her 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:43.440 fans on the front row recognize me, and then they didn't. 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.760 You know, the twins and her are singing this song 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.399 and and I was really wanting to get into it, 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.360 and they were I gotta tell you this story. I'm 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.119 I want to watch, you know, just give me a 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:56.720 little time, and they were taking pictures and shit, and I, oh, 0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:58.879 I'm sorry, Brandy, I just kind of backfired on me. 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.439 But then she introduced me and I crawled up on 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.600 the stage. And but the thing is, I just heard 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.760 her sing at Joni Mitchell's song The Case of You. 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:12.360 I've never heard the song when she I videoed it 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:16.160 and and I watch it from time to time because 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:21.119 I don't watch it a lot because it's very intimidating 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:25.240 to me. And I watched her sing that song and 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.760 I went, oh my god, I've never heard anything like 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.159 it before in my life, and never in the feeding. 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:36.800 Its just everything, the presence, the her vocal ability, of course, 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.800 and I just she wanted me, you wanted to sing 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:41.320 a song when I got up there, and I'm going, like, 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.639 all I want to do is go home? After after 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.080 I heard have I heard you saying, Oh, I really 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.800 want to do is just go home? Well, because there 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.920 ain't no there is nothing that can be better than that. 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.440 The good news is it's not a competition. That's kind 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:02.119 of like you. She's got a sing like her. Everybody's happening, 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:03.840 you know, it's true. And you know, sometimes I sing 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.800 like you and there is no competition. That was. But 0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.119 it's like when the redd Lynn won Female Vocals of 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.399 the Year. I was fourteen. First time I was up. 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:17.360 It was in nineteen seventy three and she won Lauretta 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.240 did Yeah for female vocals. I was up. Yeah, I 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.240 saw I was when she went up on the stage. 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.560 I was like, yes, you know, because she was my 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:29.720 my hero. Yeah, and uh, And there was no And 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.359 I've often said there's not a jealous bone in my body. 0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:35.400 I just don't have a that that kind of makeup. 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.160 It's not my constitution. And you know, though I thought 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.360 about it, just fleeting land. Yeah, it's kind of weird. 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.000 There's no cure. Might have been a little when I 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:50.600 sort of sing that song just a second maybe, but no, 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:54.040 there's no really competition. It's like a we're very I 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.680 am and I know she is very supportive of each 0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.600 other when there is just nothing there but love. And 0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:05.600 and you know, I told Brandy, I said, I think 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.400 God kicked her off a cloud or something. I said, 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.560 go down there and take care of this someone that 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.920 fell right in my lap. And and I thank him 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:19.400 for that for sure. Because it was almost it's like 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:23.159 an enigma. Is that the right word. It's unexplainable. And 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:25.239 I choose to call it a god thing. That's just 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.919 what I that's my higher power. That's what. That's what. 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.120 That's the name of my higher power is God. And 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.720 I just think that when you can't understand something or 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:40.520 why it happened, or the reason it happened, and what 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.720 have I done to maybe deserve it have to happen, 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:47.119 And I just think that's probably what it was beautiful. Well, 0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.280 it took a lot more than God. Actually, Rick helped 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.119 make it happen, probably in a way he's not going 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.440 to bring up on this own. How did I help? 0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.240 Can I say? So? What? Well? You know you well 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.240 he was always producer. I know, I know he is. 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.360 And I had heard that and I think I had 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.639 my manager's call you and then he told him how 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:13.439 much he's gonna call it? Scared me? Well, I scared me. 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:20.439 But what happened was that the process was worrying to Tanya. 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.399 It was stressing her out. And we had written these 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.040 songs and we were sending them to her and she 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:28.960 was struggling to hear herself in them. And I think 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.320 she was also struggling with the possibilities of what how 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.520 her life could change if she recorded the songs as well, 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.760 even if she didn't really know it, And she kept 0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:41.160 canceling the album like her bus was pointed towards la 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.440 and it was in Austin. Got as far as Austin. Yeah, 0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:46.360 and the and the final time she canceled it was 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:50.320 Christmas Day and I was I was so disheartened because 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.640 I just love her so much and I knew it 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.320 was the right thing, and the songs were about her. 0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:59.400 It was a musical biography. And shoot, her and me 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:02.680 were on the when I was pacing in my garage. 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.280 We were all doing a lot of pacing, and he goes, 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:07.920 you know, you know, Rick, why don't you call Rick 0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.800 Rubin and ask him about this, because it couldn't have 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.800 been easy for him to give Vince Johnny Cash's U 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:16.560 nine Inch Nails songs and music that he didn't necessarily 0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:21.160 understand at that time. But he had a vision about 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.000 the fact that the young people, that people needed to 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.000 know where their punk rock country music came from. And 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.640 this is how you feel about what women need to 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.960 know and that so many of us need to know 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.640 that this is a country music matriarch that's still out 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.560 there was so much to offer and still doing such 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.560 great things. Why don't you see if you can get 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.080 Rick on the phone. And it didn't even take me 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:45.960 but an hour before you drove to a place you 0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:47.800 could get cell service and called me and gave me 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:49.760 some of the greatest advice about Tanie. So I'm not 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.080 trying to interview you, but why don't you talk about No, 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.400 tell me what I said. I remember we spoke, but 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.120 I have no idea about the specifics of the conversation. 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.959 I've told you it's written now. The first thing you 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:05.080 asked was about my intentions, why I wanted to do it. Yes, 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.160 And I told you what I just told you that 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.040 I was feeling like we were at a I don't 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.600 remember this at all as fascinating. If that would be 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.840 the first question. Yeah, yeah, because he wanted to make 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:18.560 sure that it was for the right reasons before he 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.520 gave me his extremely valuable advice. That's not a normal 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:26.200 first question. Well, he's not normal that far from it. 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.240 That's very interest. I told you that I felt like 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:32.360 we were at a cultural moment when what happened with 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:37.600 Cash and you could and maybe should happen again within 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.920 regard to the way women have impacted country music culture, 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:45.440 and while while the one we're discussing is still so 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:49.520 vibrant and talented, willing to be out there and and 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:53.160 making beautiful art. And you were like, Okay, great, this 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.120 is the right thing to do. Then basically you told 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.800 me to persevere. And I told you that that the 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.520 album kept getting canceled and that there was a lot 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.200 of apprehension, and you said it was totally normal and 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.600 to be expected. And you gave me a lot of 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:12.240 really good advice around putting all of my focus about 0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:13.800 whether or not they were the right songs, because I 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.960 was questioning it too, because Tanya does have a knack 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.840 for for hearing great songs. You told me to put 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.200 all of my faith and whether or not the lyrics 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:25.240 were right for the moment. Yes, and I did. I 0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.160 re examined them. I pulled a few and dropped him, 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:33.880 and I wrote a few and the album was. It 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:37.200 came together much more authentically after I talked to you, 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:43.040 and it was spiritually really empowering and enlightening thing. It 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:48.200 was a total spiritual experience, incredible, you know, it wasn't normal. 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:53.680 It wasn't one thing normal about it. You're sprints were 0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.840 all over it. And I and I called Shooter because 0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:58.840 I'd always wanted you yet, and I sat the band 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:02.640 down and we really talked about it. Yeah, I love 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.840 it what you did. And I couldn't. I couldn't really 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:12.160 see the connection, you know so much with the Johnny Cash. 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.360 I mean, I love that whole thing. I mean, well 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:20.520 you did, but I couldn't see me being anywhere in 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:25.840 that realm. And she did. Her and Shooter both were 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:29.760 discussed it a few times. And of course I've never 0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:34.400 really compared myself to to anybody, usually female, No females anyway, 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:38.960 it's always been two men. Yes, yeah, you do that bitually. Oh, 0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:42.120 we'll be back with more Tanya Tucker and Brandy Carlisle 0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:48.680 after the break, we're back with more of Rick's conversation 0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.560 with Tanya Tucker and Brandy Carlyle. I think sometimes it's 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.240 hardest for us to see ourselves. Oh, you know, to 0:32:56.320 --> 0:33:00.160 have someone outside who you know loves you, loves you 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:04.120 and cares about it. And a stranger, Yeah, who's whose 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:11.080 only interest is something that's good for you. It's you 0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.480 said that too. On the phone side, you said that 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.440 exact thing. Yeah, that's so consistent, you know, because she 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.080 had to make the decision whether to trust it or not. Yes, 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.200 And that was really the only wild card because the 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.200 intentions were there, the music was there. Is she going 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.200 to decide to trust us that we love her and 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:31.440 that we only have her best interest at heart, or 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.520 is she not? And that was the question that day. Yeah, 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.200 because I did. I told Brandy, I said, I I 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:41.680 probably shot those songs off to my old producer crutch Field. 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.600 You know a few of my people that I sounding 0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:48.840 bored people you would hey, And I was really kind 0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:52.200 of wanting anybody to say, no, these songs aren't strong 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.400 enough for you. They're not They're not what you need. 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:59.000 But nobody did. Wow. Not one person, not one person 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:03.800 that I respect their opinion on, said anything and said, 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.960 you'll just go out and see what. You can't hurt nothing, 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.040 you know. And that's the other the other part of 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.640 it is, And I can kind of have as you're 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.680 saying that I have a vague recollection of something I said, 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:17.640 which is, there's no reason not to try it. If 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:19.520 you don't like it, you don't put it out. But 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.800 at least, but at least see what it is before 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:25.440 you say you don't like it. Well, you know what. 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.040 That's what Shooter told me. And I was standing on 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:31.680 top of a tree trunk down in our Texas South 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.600 Trant and he cut the tree and it was about 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.440 that and I got up on top of it to 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.920 get sales service. How do you get here? Because it 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:43.439 is and Shooter. Shooter said to me that exact thing. Yeah, 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.640 if you don't like it, it's fine, just he said. 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.560 He said, let's just point the bus this way. We'll 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.319 get in a room, you and me and Brandy. Yeah, 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.200 we'll go over the songs. He said, don't even listen 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.839 to him anymore. Yeah, just come to La. We'll get 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.960 in a room and we'll try a few things. And 0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.719 if you don't like it, I adn't point back to 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.439 I feel go back home, you know. And he said, 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:05.360 but I just want you to trust me on this, 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:09.480 me and Brandy. I'm asking you to trust us. And 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:12.919 he said, you said you'd do anything in the world 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:14.560 for me, And I went, oh, you're gonna use that 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.680 car so early in our life. Okay, okay, okay. So 0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.480 I got back to Austin, I paced a little while longer. 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:23.840 She calls him a little whalen. You're awful young to 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.840 use that. And then the really the thing was was 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.320 the ninth I had It was we started the studio 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:32.520 on the seventh of January. But that's right, the ninth 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:38.080 I had some time here with Chris. Yes, so, yeah, 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:43.000 so I I think that was a if I'm gonna 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:47.200 be uh talking from my gut. I think that was 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:48.920 a lot to do with it too. Knowing that I 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.160 was going to be getting him on this song was 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.480 really important to me. But it was important too that 0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:59.560 I did what Shooter asked me to do. God, I 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:01.960 love him. Did you ever sing or perform with Chris 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:06.680 ever before in the past? Have I sung with him before? Yeah? No, 0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.880 it's odd that you paths never crossed, didn't you something 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.920 that we've met? But still in terms of performance, seems no, 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.000 I know, it seemed like it would be a shoe 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:22.160 in Uh. No, I hadn't and I hadn't seen him 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:26.279 in probably twenty twenty five years. And gorgeous, Yeah he is, 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:32.480 And he's just a hunk. He's still can't you can't 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.520 hardly look him in the ice. I just text him 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.400 and they're in New Zealand, so are you guys in Malibu? 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.880 And it was so sweet because the last line I 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.640 needed five of him to say five words at the 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:48.680 end of the song, amen to that brother and sister, 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:53.400 just like that. And so I called her Eric and uh, 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:58.160 Christopherson when they were driving up north. Yeah, and and 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.120 he said, just tell him to pull down below that 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:02.759 little studio nambulo. And when I said, when you get 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.200 even from the mic, call me, and I was in 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.640 Marina del Rey and he said, he said, what do 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:10.440 you Christmas listening? What do you want him to do? 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.120 And he did it exactly one day, you know it 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:17.160 perfect day. It was just again like it was already 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.200 because the reason here, here's the reason why that worked out, 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:26.120 because you were hearing him actually say those lines because 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.960 that's what he would naturally do. So you knew as 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:30.160 soon as he told him what to do that he 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.200 was going to be christ Chris Offerson and do it. Yes, 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.520 that's what I felt like when we were writing these songs, 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:38.880 like I knew exactly how you would sing them. I 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:40.759 knew where your voice would crack. I knew, and you 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.320 decide to have a little rasp and sing like Elvis, 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.000 I knew everything you'd do before you did it, because 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:52.680 we were writing them not just for you, but from 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:57.480 you in this weird way. You know. I can't imagine 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.880 you just just going into a row and going, Okay, 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.719 let's write an album for a person that we don't 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.239 even know, I've never even met with. Because it's a 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.919 person that you love and you look up to. It's 0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:14.360 almost like it's a it's a it's a fantasy version 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.680 of you that they're writing for. It's like, it's true, 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:22.840 it's a it's an elevated mythological version wow of you. 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:26.960 You're so right. Yeah, you're so right. I've learned that 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:30.239 in retrospect in a big way, like, well, yeah, maybe 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.240 she didn't identify with some of these in the beginning 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:36.080 because I'm projecting. Yeah, because she's a she's a human 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:39.200 being and you're writing for a myth Yeah oh yeah, yeah, 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:43.399 a hero superhero. Yeah. Wow. Did you feel that way 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:48.279 while you were selecting songs for Johnny Cash? Absolutely, it was. 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:52.040 It was to some degree. It didn't matter. It was 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.800 more that the songs had to fit the myth of 0:38:55.880 --> 0:39:00.440 Johnny Cash than the real person. Yes, exactly. Wow. So 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:03.719 it's a good thing or a bad thing. It's great. No, 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.719 for the fans, it's great. Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's art. 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:09.799 We're making art. Yeah, and maybe it's the only way 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:14.000 you could do it. Yeah yeah. Like a Mustang Ridge, 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:18.000 it's about first of all, it's there's grains of truth 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:19.719 in it because there are all places that she's lived. 0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:22.120 There's not a single place that's made up. Whether it's 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.480 Wild Bros Pass or the Hay Street Bridge, they're all 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:28.800 real places. But like Mustang Ridge is about a woman 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:33.120 who escapes from you know, prison and steals a car 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.680 and then disappears, and nobody knows whether she killed herself 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.160 or whether she just made it made it out. But 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.319 it's Tanya, and she's Tanya in the song and she's 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.640 breaking out of prison. It's a metaphor. But it's like, 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.200 of course that's not the real Tan yet she's not 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:49.560 really you know, she's not really gonna film on Louise 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.360 it by herself. But for some reason, like that's just 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.560 the way I'm do you want you want to play 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:57.839 that song now? Sure, Keiley, there's a guitar right there. 0:39:57.880 --> 0:39:59.800 Oh I don't know how to play it? Actually, not 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:03.160 not to physically play at ten plays it Wow, but 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.759 we can. Yeah, yeah, sure. We wrote the lad right 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:13.799 we had learned to play guitar. I learned. Yeah, uh 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:20.800 be fun to listen to. So this is what you 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.040 call a podcast. I didn't know what a podcast was. 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:28.000 Oh yeah, they're amazing. Everybody loves him now. It's like 0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.800 the new It's just not just a radio interview. No 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:34.759 it's not. It's different. It's not much different, but it's 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.920 just for the Internet. It's a radio interview people actually 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:42.680 listened to. Oh okay, here we go. At the end 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:44.640 of all this song, she'd finish it and she'd say 0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:47.799 something like, hey, I'm gonna add liver from way back. 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:51.120 I don't know, I don't know, you know, it's just 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.719 like stuffs. I guess what was wild too about it too, 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:59.919 is this experience in the studio because everything was done 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:04.520 there when we went before we left the vocals Sunset sound. Yeah, 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.320 it was great, great studio. It's awesome. I think I 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.560 did something with a little Richard there years ago. I'm 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.880 not sure, but I think so with Don Walt. But 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.400 it was a lot. It was mostly live. I mean, 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.479 everything was recorded like me and like me and Billy 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.239 recorded back in the first songs I ever did with 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.880 Delta Don all those all those songs that were the 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.440 first ones with Billy Sheryl we I did live. I mean, 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:31.520 if somebody messed up, we had to start over, you know. 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:34.480 And I never did get a set of headphones. He 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:38.240 wouldn't let me have him. I had some kind of monitor, 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.120 thin monitor on both sides of my head, which I 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.759 can't understand how it didn't leak. You just didn't care 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:48.120 if it did. But I mean, it was just Some 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.520 of those records are still my favorite records. And of 0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:53.480 course I've never had anybody in the vocal booth with 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:59.840 me the whole time, either the whole time, every every no, 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.600 and you know, and a couple of things. I mean 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:07.560 I I ripped off from her, Yeah, like and the 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:14.480 palm trees are reaching reaching I read that off from you, yeah, 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:19.480 thirty years ago. Yeah, that's funny. So we just keep 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.680 keep the circle going, never going back to Mustang Ridge 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.640 is a great phrase. It just has a musical sound 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:28.200 to it, and and it sounds like, you know, I 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.759 want to learn more about it. Yeah, It's like it 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:34.160 paints a picture but leaves enough mystery that you want 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:38.960 to feeling. Yeah, you go like writing good writing. Yes, 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:43.160 I gotta credit the twins. Oh ye, So my boys 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.560 were all these years, they really dove into this with me, 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:50.319 and we all fell so deeply in love with Tanya. Well, 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:52.600 I asked him. I text him, this is the way 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:57.880 after the record? What's a hob nail? What's a jam boozy? 0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:02.920 And how how do you write songs about someone you 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.120 don't even know? He goes, well, they him. Both of 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.200 them said they just drove around their cars listening to 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:11.480 my music, and I guess googled me a lot and 0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.719 fell in love. They said, So I mean, I mean, 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:17.400 I mean, I wonder why I was doing it at 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.239 the time. You know, well, I was probably There's a 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:24.200 landscape landscape of Tanya Tucker too. There's like a you 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:29.880 know this exactly like this projected fantasy of poverty and 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:36.640 a track from Texas through Arizona and Las Vegas and 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:41.600 this this migration to Nashville that happened in a series 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:45.400 of cars and trailers and eventually busses, And yeah, it 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.560 paints quite the picture. You could. I could make ten 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:51.680 albums about ten years life. You know, it's amazing to 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.279 me when you think when I think about it, And 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.600 I guess I didn't really think about it until someone 0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:00.920 brought it up recently and said that, you know how 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:06.680 very major this is of you at sixty one, kind 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:10.759 of having a research in my career, you know. And 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.080 they said it was a guy. He said, can you 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.360 imagine how much hope that's giving so many people that 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.719 you know think because you're not twenty five, you can't 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:25.319 have a hit record or be palatable to the music 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.440 buyer or the music lover, And I go, wow, you 0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:31.200 know it kind of true. One of the greatest things 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:35.080 about it was that she spent half the time singing, 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.680 working so hard, harder than anybody my age, anybody I know, 0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:43.520 working so hard, never once getting irritable or frustrated or 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.640 upset with herself or anyone else. And then the rest 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:48.560 of the time sitting in a control room share just 0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:53.400 like that man, spreading and telling the most incredible stories 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.840 about country music and the road and her dad and 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:00.120 just I don't know, you just really carry yourself with 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.680 a lot of dignity. And I was really proud to 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:04.760 be in there with you. Well was she so interested? 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.800 You know? It wasn't like it was an interview, but 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.719 it was so interested. Now you're you're fascinating words and 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:15.400 to listen to. Well, you won't get that from me 0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:17.719 because I mean, I can't. I can't agree with that 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:21.160 because I'm me. But once you once you were in 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:24.880 the studio, did it feel better? Oh? It come more 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:27.880 comfortable with me? You had anxiety before, thinking this might 0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:30.200 not be for me, But then when you actually heard 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:31.640 the music and you're in the room with the people, 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.040 did it feel like, oh, this is a good experience. Absolutely. 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:37.160 I mean from the moment I walked into the studio. 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:39.000 Of course, I had two mics on at all times, 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.160 you know, because we're documenting in that name, which I 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:45.640 think it's the only way to documentary. You have to 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:47.960 document can't wait for your fantastic can't wait see it? 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:50.160 And I don't know why we haven't done that in 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:54.120 the past. It's I thought, film everything everything whose idea 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.040 was that? That was all that was? Probably it was 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.160 over there, but I set it up ten hours before 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.239 the sessions. I called it. The best filmmaker that I 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:05.600 know called Kaplan and tin Fish Productions, and I was like, 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:09.000 I think something's gonna happen tomorrow. Tanny Tucker's coming to 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:10.759 the studio. She might turn around and leave. I don't 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:12.480 know what's going to happen, but can you just be 0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:14.160 there to capture it? Because it might be crazy, it 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.560 might be amazing. And she's like, I'm supposed to be 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.360 in the UK, but I'm canceling it. And she showed 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:21.640 up with a real film crew, real out of Mike's, 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.239 real sound crew and everything, and then she never left 0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.560 and she felt a cutt and they love you. We 0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:30.280 haven't made a documentary that's extended beyond the studio into 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:35.840 her first shows. Beautiful's Birthday, we first walking onto it 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:41.879 arena stage and over a decade or two and it's 0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:47.000 it's incredible. Wait to see it when I'm and I'm 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:51.160 used to be in Yeah, I had a reality show 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:54.719 for a couple of years on TLC Tucker Chucker Bill, 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:58.520 but I'm just I'm used to it, so that was 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.239 not a problem for me. In fact, I most time 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:06.360 forgot that they were even there. But it really felt comfortable. 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.920 I think, and I've always said that I think the 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:12.359 best way, my best feeling of all that I could ever. 0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:15.000 If I had to pick one word that I would 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:20.560 that I want to be even over pretty, overwhel and 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:23.600 all that stuff. I just want to be comfortable. It's 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:27.480 my favorite feeling. And when I'm comfortable, I can do 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:30.399 my best. It's when I'm not comfortable that I can't 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:35.200 perform my best. And so that was that was laid out. 0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:37.640 That was that was something and I look back on 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:42.080 and I when people are asking me since we've done 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:45.319 the record, I look back on that and think, wow, yeah, 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.440 I remember that. When Sheeeter came out and you came out, 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:50.279 we met outside the studio, and then when I walked in, 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:55.400 it was like it was a feeling of a comfort 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.880 that I hadn't felt in a while, beautiful, and it 0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:03.400 was a really comfortable How has uh, how do you 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.799 say your relationship to music has changed from the early 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:10.440 days to now. I don't know if it's changed or 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.040 just kind of grown it just kind of did it 0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.359 start for you more as work or more as love 0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:21.319 in the studio? No period in your in music your 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:27.600 relationship to music in life. Wow, that's a good question. 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:35.040 I don't know. I'm a little torn on that because, 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:39.719 you know, being from a you know, I mean, we 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.440 were poor, but I didn't really pay much. I mean, 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:44.560 it wasn't something you know, you're only poor if you 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:46.560 choose to be, you know that kind of that Dolly 0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.560 said in that one line. I love uh, But it 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.880 was more I think when I if I really want to, 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:57.080 if I think about it hard, I think it was 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.680 something that made my dad happy. Yeah, and he enjoyed 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:04.440 when I would sing, And I knew that, and I 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:06.920 think that he saw a way out of to get 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:10.560 his family out ahead and have a career and a 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:13.400 few So it was always based on money, trying to 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:18.120 get ahead, trying to get something that I could buy, 0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:20.719 buy my parents a new house, you know, of living 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.160 in a trailer house and new car my mother, and 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.719 you know, it was always money. Was motivated. It was 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:31.640 motivating me. I think that's what started it out. But 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:35.600 then I think as I've moved on and went through 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:39.120 different stages of my musical career and my life, it's 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:43.360 developed into more of a love. I mean, I know, 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.200 one got to you know, pay the bills. It makes 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:49.040 sense what you said about when your dad passed, Yes, 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:50.800 and then your mom passed, It's like, why am I 0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:52.880 doing this anymore? Because they're the ones I did it 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.200 for him. Yeah, it does make that was the whole reason. 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:59.600 Can I make an observation? Actually, it's it's very interesting 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:05.960 and you're poor and you're talented, because it's like what 0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:10.399 happens is ambition. Yeah, ambition and love and money get 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:14.680 really distorted. You can't you can't untie them, and then 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:16.560 you get this thing I like to call poor kid 0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.680 work ethic, where yeah, you love it, but you're willing 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:24.120 to work hard, so incredibly hard to prosper and provide 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:26.520 for your family whoever that is. That's what if you're 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:30.800 the kid, even if you're the kid, because your ambition 0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:33.800 and your love for music is tied up in the 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:38.879 need for means and it's actually kind of okay, yeah, 0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:42.960 like why shouldn't be Cluse my dad was so involved? 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:46.719 I mean yeah, he I mean I always say if 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:50.080 it wasn't for my dad and Billy Sheryl, they never 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:54.000 would they never ghawd you know they never were. In fact, 0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:55.560 they I don't think it had more than five words 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.280 to each other. But they're very different kind of people, 0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:02.640 very different kind of uh just totally different kind of men, 0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:07.400 and both of them were very powerful and I couldn't 0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:10.960 have done it. I can't imagine who've done it about 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.480 They recognized that they were in proximity to absolutely once 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.359 in a lifetime voice that's never been replicated and never 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:21.040 could be replicated to, which was also you well and 0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:22.920 you know what. And I think another thing is too 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:28.400 that Billy Cheryl listened to me. Yeah, yeah, talk about it, 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.719 listened everything, respected you. He I don't know how many 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:34.120 I was when they come in and Al Gallico, you 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:37.759 know remember Al Gallico, he's a well he's a he 0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:42.080 was a big publisher and he had the publishing. I'm 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.200 the happiest girl in the whole us say that Donna 0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:47.680 Fargo first song she came out with and it wasn't 0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:51.160 out yet. So he had those single and he had 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:54.560 had control of it because he was the publisher, and 0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:58.839 he played it by a big cigar hang out of Hey, 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:02.360 hey he's tall you and he said, I get a monster. 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:06.320 I guy brought you a monster. So all of Billy's cronies, 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.439 you know, uh, Narl Wilson, George Richie, all those guys, 0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:11.239 they're about five or six of them come in there 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:14.960 to see his reaction because they felt like, wow, we've 0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:16.919 we've got the red, we've got the hit and they're 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.360 looking back onto retrospect. They were. They were playing it 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.279 for Billy Sheryl to get him to ask you to 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:23.400 do it. Yes, okay. So I'm sitting over in the 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:27.000 alcove kind of right there, and I remember exactly what 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:30.840 I had on, and I got my legs crossed, and 0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:36.160 they played the song and Billy looks over at me 0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:39.200 and he says, what do you think about that song? Kid? 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:43.319 And I I, you know, I didn't hesitate. I said, 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:46.200 I think this song was really a good song, but 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:49.520 it's not my song. Yeah, and that's in my exact words. 0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:53.080 And he said, you heard her boys, and they they're 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:56.160 going up because Billy wasn't a little left to center, 0:52:56.280 --> 0:53:00.239 you know. Uh and uh. They were scratching their heads 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:02.520 when they walked out, including now Gallico. They were going like, 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.680 he's lost it. He is listening to a kid, you know. 0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:10.000 And so when they all left, he put, you know, 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.600 I've seen him thread that thing that really real and 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:14.800 Megan times and he said, you know, he said, I 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:19.640 heard it check on the Tonight Show last night, and 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:21.880 I didn't never know who that was. He said, but 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.759 she sang a song I think he might like. Let 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:27.360 me let me play it for you, but he played 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:33.960 me a guitar vocal of Alex Harvey singing She's forty 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:37.560 one started out, She's forty one didn't start out because 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:40.480 and when he got done playing that song, I looked 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:42.919 at him and I said, now that is my song, 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.520 and see if we can find that version seventy two. 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:50.439 Let's see it is your song. And we didn't live 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:53.520 and many people have done it. But and I never 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:56.440 ever had any problems with him about what I wanted to. 0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:59.759 You know, Columbia Records didn't think enough about me to 0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:02.520 even have a more than a three pre song deal. 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:05.320 They didn't think I'd even get to an album, you know, 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:09.759 and uh, looking back on it, but when I did, 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:11.600 when we did go back in and cut an album, 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:15.480 every everyday he saw any album I did with him, 0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:18.359 which was four four, if it's available anywhere, or if 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.400 it was just like a weird fluke thing that he 0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.120 managed to get his hands, Yeah, I he never did. 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:24.200 I never. The only time he ever gave me a 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.000 little problem was when I wanted to cut almost persuaded 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:30.919 and hit a song he wrote, and uh, he said, 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:32.680 I don't think he should cut that ouselve too adult 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:36.640 for you. I don't know. I think no, no, after no, 0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:39.120 after all the songs, you know, Daddy left them both 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.440 soaping up the sawdust on the floor. I mean, all 0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:43.719 the songs were adult. Would you lay with me in 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.120 a field of stone if my needs were strong? Yeah? 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:48.400 You know those were all so it wasn't being too adults. 0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:51.680 I think that because he wrote it and he didn't 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:55.640 want to be you know, I guess I didn't want to. 0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:58.719 People think he was just doing it because it was his, 0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:00.840 it was my cho Tell me if this is the 0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:05.080 right version, I'll tell you instantly. We'll be back with 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:11.839 more Tanya Tucker and Brandy Carlisle. After the break, we're 0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.400 back with more of Rick's conversation with Tanya Tucker and 0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:18.160 Brandy Carlyle. Those are the two Alex Harvey Delta dons. 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.920 Oh oh, you're talking about Alex Harvey. No, that was 0:55:23.000 --> 0:55:25.759 just I don't think that's ever been out. Was just 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:30.919 a guitar vocal demo. But the chick was a Bette 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:35.440 Midler and she had sung Delta don I see, but 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:38.480 that wasn't the version you heard, No, because she was 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:41.880 not That was not the version. No, No, she did 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:44.480 it before pett Miller did it before you. Yes, that's 0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:47.279 what he said. He said, there's a chick you on 0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:49.799 the Tonight Show, Tonight Show last night. So it wasn't 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:52.880 Alex Harvey and but he played when he played her 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:57.520 Alex and I didn't find out till years later that 0:55:57.600 --> 0:56:01.080 it was Bette Midler. Wow, that actually did the song. 0:56:01.280 --> 0:56:06.080 So why does history remember that as so? And Helen 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:07.520 Ready cut it a year and a half. Yeah, but 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:11.520 later everybody, everybody really sees that as your song. It 0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:13.840 is you like your song if you were dealt to 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:16.200 do and it even though it had been cut die 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:18.880 on Dave Davidson. I think he had a single on it. 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:21.600 It had been cut us a few times. I love 0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:26.359 nothing compares to you. We think of not his Prince's song. Yeah, 0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:29.360 it's the same. It's like, doesn't matter who who wrote 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:31.960 it or who put it out first. It matters who 0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:37.759 owns this. Yeah yeah, it's like well he uh we 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:41.279 you know. We recorded the next morning. It was at 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:44.440 ten ten o'clock studio time. Of course I was tired, 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:46.759 so because I'd been my daddy, I said, just keep 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:48.279 playing it, keep playing it for him, and keep I 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:51.000 want to learn it as good as I could then, 0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:54.680 not before, and and we got to Columbia Records, the 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:58.799 studio b and uh it was well. Actually we went 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:02.920 into his office, Billy's office, and it was ten o'clock, 0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:04.960 and I laid down on his couch and I slept 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.839 till he let me sleep till noon, and he finally 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:09.960 come there and got me the sister. The session started 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:12.120 at ten. He's like, do you think you're ready to 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:15.040 You know, it's something about your career, kid, And I 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:18.120 got up and we did it live with the Nashville 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:21.960 Edition and the Jordanaires and all the greats pig Robins 0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:25.000 and some of the greatest musicians Pete Drake, On Steele 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:28.080 and Charlotte McCoy and Harmonica. So, in fact, we're going 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.680 to go back in and recut it, and uh, I'm 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:34.640 I'm gathering all the as many of the original players 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:38.440 that are still around to go back in and and 0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:40.920 uh and do a version that's gonna be a lot 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:44.640 of fun. It's gonna be And Lou Bradley engineered we 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:47.240 played the drums, so he's, uh, oh, well he's gone, 0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:50.080 he's gone. He in fact, he passed about a month 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.040 and a half ago, Jerry Kerrigan one of the great 0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:55.840 great drummers, one of the great drummers. So I think 0:57:56.160 --> 0:58:02.360 we're gonna get either I think it was Eddie or 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:05.520 Paul Eddie Bears or Paul Lym, one of those guys. Cool. 0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:08.520 But now we're just trying to put that together. And 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:10.040 then Brenda Lee, you know, I'm gonna cut that song 0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:11.800 and she wrote for me and her you hear it, 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:14.960 T and other. It's so cute. I mean, it's so 0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:17.960 precious that Brenda Lee, one of my heroes, would write 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:20.320 a song about me and her, Brenda Lee love. I 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:21.920 don't care what it would be. I Mary had a 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:24.120 little aamb I'd want to cut it, you know. So, 0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.400 but you know, you used to people would ask me, 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:29.560 what would you enjoy more. You'd enjoy performing live or 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.840 you enjoy recording better. And the answer to that was 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:37.360 always I enjoy performing more than being in front of 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:39.680 an audience. Yeah, being in the studio painting my nails 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:42.040 a lot. I flipped a lot of the studio, you know, 0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:44.919 my one time my producer didn't even show up. Yeah, 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:46.520 most of the time when I did T and T. 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:50.640 She is incredible life. But it's unbelievable. It used to 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:53.880 be alive. But the answer would have to be now 0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:58.000 being in the studio because I love the creation that 0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:04.120 create the creation of music and the creativity and the cambaraderie. 0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:08.520 Uh they let's try this. Yeah, you know, like I said, 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:10.200 how many producers does it take to screw in the 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:16.560 light bulb? I don't know, what do you think? But 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:19.600 I mean I enjoy You know, it's hard to say 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:21.240 what you like. I mean, I love both of them. 0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:23.360 I mean I have to do both of them are 0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:26.920 very like you said, you can't separate them really, but 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:32.520 I really enjoy the process now and I've been working 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:35.000 on a couple of projects that I have. I mean, 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:36.640 I have two albums that are almost ready to go. 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.240 If someone said you got a week to finish them, 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.600 we'd have it done. So I've not been twiddling my 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:45.200 thumbs and not doing anything. It's just I couldn't get 0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:48.800 anybody interested. Yeah, when's your next TWAR date? Do you know? Uh? Well, 0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:53.880 the next show is, uh tomorrow now, Yeah, tomorrow tomorrow, 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:58.720 the next day, two nights. Yeah it's going to be great. Yeah. Yeah, 0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:00.880 we'll hope, We'll hope. So we were going and try 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:06.760 to like an old troupa door. You know that was 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.720 written by a girl, which is kind of interesting, that 1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:13.880 George Straight song. Here's an old troupa door. You heard 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:16.080 that one? Yeah, of course, and that was written by 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:20.280 a girl, which I think is kind of different. But yeah, 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:23.760 I really enjoyed that process. Uh. And I thought just 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:26.320 about the time I thought I'd done a record, made 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:28.520 a record every which way you could make one. Yeah, 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:35.480 then long comes Brandy and Shooter and another another way 1:00:35.480 --> 1:00:39.600 of spiritually another way up there either yeah, yeah, the 1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:45.240 the all the others were, I don't know, there's no 1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:49.800 there's no comparison really to the the feeling I had 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:53.040 making the record beautiful, the comfort level beautiful, And it 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:55.520 sounds like it reminds you of when you first started 1:00:55.600 --> 1:00:59.520 making records. Everybody's in the room together, yea, to that 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:02.200 that time. And you know, I'm not so sure I 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:04.280 would have been able to do it if I hadn't 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:07.720 had that experience with really Cheryl, Yes, you know, but 1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:12.040 you know I've always been a live person. It very live. 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:16.080 I mean, even with my producer Jerry Jerry Crushfille, who 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:19.040 produced thirteen albums in a row on me and the 1:01:19.480 --> 1:01:21.560 way I found out the way I got him. I 1:01:21.720 --> 1:01:24.400 talked to my old lawyer and I videoed it. What 1:01:24.560 --> 1:01:27.280 everything on video because I wanted to ask him. Bill Carter, 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:30.840 he was the Rolling Stones lawyer and a secret service 1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:33.320 and he was my attorney at that time, and I 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:35.640 want I asked him. I said, how did I get Crutchfield? 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:39.680 Because I had just come off snuff Garrett in a 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:42.800 studio and Santa Monica did had two number one records. 1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:44.920 But I told my dad, I go, I can't work 1:01:45.000 --> 1:01:48.080 like this. It's like I'm on a damn assembly line 1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:50.800 and everybody's reading it. There's like he don't even want 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:53.680 me there. When I'm for the basic tracks, I'm going like, 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:55.840 what if it's in the wrong key, Well, we'll just 1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:59.600 manipulate the track. Yeah, And I just couldn't. I was 1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:03.040 just turned sixteen and I couldn't fathom that. You know. 1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:05.200 Of course hal Blaine was playing the drums, and I 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:08.120 love that it's one of the great players. But I 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:10.400 didn't like that way of working. And I told my dad, 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:12.480 I said, Daddy, I can't I feel like I we 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:15.959 cut this album ten minutes, you know, everything's real fast. 1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:18.400 And al Capps was the arranger who really I think 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:20.400 did most of the work on that, on that, on 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:23.320 those records, and he was hot hot at that time 1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:26.320 with all the share records. You know, he's tramp something. 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:29.040 And uh, I said, I can't. I just not. I'm 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:32.520 not comfortable. I can't. So he he told Snuff, he said, well, 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:34.560 I'm sorry, we're gonna to let you go. And of 1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:39.160 course Snuff, you know, blue a gasket. I at that time, 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:41.920 I asked my attorney, I said, He said, well, what 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:44.200 we're gonna do? You know? He who's gonna produce? Now? 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:46.680 I said, We'll go back to Nashville. Yeah, that's where 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:49.680 I feel comfortable there. I don't like this out here. Yeah, 1:02:49.960 --> 1:02:53.200 everybody's reading, you know. It's just it just didn't feel right. 1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:57.200 And he said, well, who are you thinking about? I said, 1:02:57.240 --> 1:03:01.120 whoever produced that song? Please come to Boston. I said, 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:06.000 I want that guy, and that was Jered Crutchville. And 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:09.960 so when we connected up that we pulled more shots 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:12.680 than you think you did. We we oh no, no. 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:15.400 Now that when I look back on it, I think, God, 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:17.520 dang it, you know, I should have more faith in 1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:20.880 myself because I really directed a lot of these things 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:25.440 and kid as a kid, and why do you put 1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:27.920 two singles on an album and the rest you just 1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:35.880 why can't we have a ten singles? Yes, that was 1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:39.880 my thinking, and accord with the band, and then tour 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:44.040 with another one. Yea, why can't we put those together? Yes? So, 1:03:44.480 --> 1:03:46.560 and don't put a saxophone on my record when I 1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:49.760 don't have one in the band, you know, or have 1:03:50.680 --> 1:03:52.840 at least two way you get to one, you know. 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:56.920 And so I had all these I think thoughts and 1:03:58.120 --> 1:04:00.560 wonderer and why do you do this? And why? And 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:03.240 several times, I mean I've told crutch Fill I said, man, 1:04:03.320 --> 1:04:04.760 that mix, I can't do the mix it makes you 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.959 got to remix it. I went out and he played 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:10.560 strong and to prebend the album, the whole album, and 1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:12.640 I walked out and I cried in the parking lot. 1:04:13.560 --> 1:04:16.240 I said, oh my god, and my father and my 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:18.920 two older children was with me. He goes, what's wrong? 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:21.720 It was? It sounded great and I went, no, oh 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:24.840 my god, No, he's got to remix it. So my 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:28.160 ears are just so uh. I mean, I've got really 1:04:28.240 --> 1:04:33.000 great ears. Yeah, and you tell me the barn but 1:04:33.200 --> 1:04:35.640 when you you feel it and you know it yeah, 1:04:36.600 --> 1:04:39.640 and it's like nothing that there's nothing to argue or 1:04:39.680 --> 1:04:41.680 discussing about it. It's like you the feeling you don't 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:45.200 don't argue with me. I had that argument last night 1:04:45.720 --> 1:04:48.000 or this morning, you know when you know, I just 1:04:48.120 --> 1:04:50.400 don't argue. This is what I If you want to 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:52.160 work with me, let's do it like I want to 1:04:52.200 --> 1:04:53.640 do it now. If you want to, if you want 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:56.400 to pay all the bills and pay me, I'll do 1:04:56.480 --> 1:05:01.160 it your way. Yes, but no that you know, I 1:05:01.800 --> 1:05:07.400 feel like my ears have been a thorn in my side, 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:09.960 a blessing and a curse at the same time. Yes, 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:13.440 because I have trouble with my in ears. Yes, And 1:05:13.680 --> 1:05:17.360 I said, I don't understand why they go. What did 1:05:17.360 --> 1:05:19.000 you want you? What are you missing with sound check? 1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:23.840 You know when you're sound checking first show and monitor guy, 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:26.000 Because I've I've been through them. I've been through them. 1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:28.840 I've had twenty in I mean, I'm I've fired him 1:05:28.880 --> 1:05:32.480 before I got off stage sometime because I said, if 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:34.160 you're hearing when I'm here, and you let me stand 1:05:34.200 --> 1:05:37.760 out there hearing this shit, then you gotta go because 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:41.640 what happens is what I'm hearing. If it sounds bad. 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:45.840 I think that's what they're hearing, and the it's always well, 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:48.760 it sounds good out front. I go, why can't I 1:05:49.160 --> 1:05:52.760 enjoy it too? If they're going to enjoy it, why 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:54.680 can't I just hear it like they hear it. You know, 1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:59.640 my mom for the last five years or so has 1:05:59.720 --> 1:06:03.280 been the studio engineer I work with when we made 1:06:03.760 --> 1:06:09.160 Firewatcher's Daughter in Bear Creek, So like he cultivated this 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:12.680 monitor mix for me that makes no sense to anyone 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:16.080 else about It makes no sense to anyone else, but 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:19.840 to me, it's like a limb. I can't do without it. 1:06:20.080 --> 1:06:22.640 And it's like it's how I hear my voice. And 1:06:22.760 --> 1:06:26.720 if I don't have that, I eq my monitors with 1:06:26.880 --> 1:06:31.680 my voice. So I push harder, I round out vows, 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:36.400 I hardened hard consonants, and I hurt my voice. Yeah, 1:06:36.600 --> 1:06:38.520 And I didn't used to think I was picky because 1:06:38.560 --> 1:06:42.800 I'm a bar singer, but like because this guy wants 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:44.600 you to feel like you fill in the studio, like 1:06:44.600 --> 1:06:47.600 when you're making a record. He's got my monitor mix 1:06:47.680 --> 1:06:49.000 in a way that's like now it's on this like 1:06:49.200 --> 1:06:54.280 priceless little thumb. I can never lose it. I swear 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:57.760 I've threatened to quit about every show. It's a hard thing. 1:06:58.200 --> 1:07:01.880 I just want your mind, if you if they're hearing 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:03.840 what I'm hearing in my ears, Oh my god. Well 1:07:03.880 --> 1:07:07.720 I don't, but you know, I guess it's the same principle. 1:07:08.080 --> 1:07:12.400 So they are saying I have to leave, Is that right? Yeah? 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:17.800 In like, oh, well, I feel like I've known Rick forever. 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:20.720 I feel like i've you know, like maybe I mean, 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:25.760 if Willie's right about this reincarnation deal. I mean I don't. 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:29.160 I don't think he is, But if he is, maybe 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:31.600 that's the deal. You know, maybe we met some other 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:36.080 you know, I would I would be so inspired and 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:38.400 amazed if you guys ever worked together and did something 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:41.280 just just to I would love to do, you know, 1:07:41.440 --> 1:07:43.920 I because I feel like I know what Rick would do, 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:47.400 and I think it's gonna happen at some point. We'll 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:54.640 figure out what that is. Surprised me, Yeah, it would 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:59.720 be awesome. Well, it's so funny because I Johnny Cash, 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:03.280 you know this story when I well farm It was 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:07.680 the first farm Aid and I was on Merle's bus 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:11.880 and he was chewing out Mark Rothball. He was really 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:14.760 upset with him, and I said oh, I would turn 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:16.920 around to leave, and he went stay right there, and 1:08:17.040 --> 1:08:19.320 I guess he wanted me to hear whatever he had 1:08:19.360 --> 1:08:21.800 to say to Mark and as I don't know why, 1:08:22.640 --> 1:08:27.400 but he he gave me this hat and so skip ahead. Well, 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:30.400 went left his bus and went on the stage. Uh. 1:08:30.520 --> 1:08:33.000 And then it was a circle stage, so half of 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:34.960 it was getting ready and the other half was doing it. 1:08:35.600 --> 1:08:38.759 And I think Melancamp was on, and all of a sudden, 1:08:38.800 --> 1:08:40.959 you know, everywhere you looked it was. It wasn't anybody 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:44.800 you didn't know. Everybody was a star, you know. And 1:08:44.880 --> 1:08:49.320 all of a sudden I heard Dan you and and 1:08:49.960 --> 1:08:53.120 Marty Haggard, and LIST said, so, I think my Johnny 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:56.479 John Johnny Cash was holder than you. And I looked 1:08:56.520 --> 1:08:59.840 around and there it was. It was like the parting 1:09:00.000 --> 1:09:02.200 of the Red Sea. The people just kind of like 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:05.040 they knew that he was talking to me and the 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:07.479 music's going on, but I could hear him very well. 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:10.920 So it turned and I thought, wow, I'm just gonna 1:09:10.920 --> 1:09:13.320 meet him, you know. So I started walking down to him. 1:09:13.320 --> 1:09:15.400 He started walking do me, and we met in the 1:09:15.479 --> 1:09:18.240 middle and he goes, I just wanted to say hello 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:21.439 and hug your neck. And of course the first thing 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:24.439 I said was, well, I said, I've been writing. I've 1:09:24.439 --> 1:09:26.280 been trying to write this song. I get this. I 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:29.320 got this idea for a song. But I said, you're 1:09:29.360 --> 1:09:31.760 the only hoss that could sing it. So if you 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:33.880 don't like it, then I ain't gonna write it, you know. 1:09:34.640 --> 1:09:37.439 And he said, I thought, well, you know, let's meet 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:40.120 up next week. We'll sing a little bit of it 1:09:40.280 --> 1:09:43.160 to me. And of course it was just an idea, 1:09:43.760 --> 1:09:45.719 you know, so I had to come up with something. 1:09:45.800 --> 1:09:47.639 So I was just like, look back, Oh, you didn't 1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:52.479 have one. I had the idea, and I and and 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:55.280 so he goes sing a little and I'm thinking, okay, 1:09:55.479 --> 1:09:57.120 I'll look back. I went to help me out here, 1:09:57.280 --> 1:10:00.559 you know, I'm said a little prayer. And so then 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:02.760 not only did I I started singing it, but I 1:10:02.840 --> 1:10:07.400 started for imitating him, which is so funny. I whoa, 1:10:08.520 --> 1:10:12.160 you got the man in black feeling blue? This is 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:15.120 you know, came out my ass because I had nothing else, 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:19.000 you know, and you got I just came get over, 1:10:19.439 --> 1:10:24.280 getting all over you. I sang with what is riding? 1:10:24.360 --> 1:10:28.080 I standing for what is true? But you got the 1:10:28.200 --> 1:10:32.880 man in black feeling blue? You know, and that's all 1:10:32.960 --> 1:10:35.120 I had. I was amazed to come up with that 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:39.439 wow tea and he goes, I like that, Well, I'll 1:10:39.479 --> 1:10:41.519 go see later. By So I go home with Neil 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:44.200 Young on his bus. I'm going like, where was my dad? 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:48.519 And then what? Then? My dad just prepared me for 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:51.680 those things, is what it was. And he knew how 1:10:51.720 --> 1:10:55.200 to he knew he could trust me. So I'm on 1:10:55.400 --> 1:10:57.800 Neil Young's bus going home. I get home, they take 1:10:57.840 --> 1:11:01.920 me home to Nashville. And the next day, I think 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:04.720 it was Marty Stewart maybe called me and said cash 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:08.960 once that song, I said, Jesus, it's not a song, 1:11:09.600 --> 1:11:12.640 it's an idea for a song. And so when they 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:15.880 were filming the movie stage Coach, I went down and 1:11:15.920 --> 1:11:18.320 saw Chris and took a path. I think it might 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:20.400 have been the last time I saw him. And then 1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:23.320 they went to Tucson and me and Billy Joe Shaverer 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:25.559 were kind of hanging out and writing some songs together, 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:28.679 and they were about done a stage coach and I said, 1:11:28.680 --> 1:11:30.759 you know, well, then more boys are all I'll guarantee 1:11:30.760 --> 1:11:32.680 you they're all mad at each other right now. You 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:36.519 know wait, you know Chris Sink talking to Whalen Wade 1:11:36.520 --> 1:11:39.120 and spissed off at Willie and and I guarantee you 1:11:39.240 --> 1:11:42.559 you're gonna they're mad at each other. Just go down there. 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:44.720 I got him a plane ticket to Tucson. I sent 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:47.479 Billy Joe Shaver down there. I said, and this is 1:11:47.560 --> 1:11:50.479 just kind of stuff like we're talking about, like things 1:11:50.520 --> 1:11:52.120 that come out of my mouth. And then they happened. 1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:54.400 I said, you're gonna get you. Willie's gonna be by 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:57.160 the pool. He's gonna be by the pool, and he's 1:11:57.200 --> 1:12:00.160 just about down to the worm, you know, and he's 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:02.479 gonna be drunk on his ass. I said, but you 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:05.400 just go and you go to Johnny's. John gash his room. 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:07.680 And I figured the best way to get him to 1:12:07.720 --> 1:12:09.560 cut that song was to get him to finish it, 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:13.200 you know, to write it. And I said, he'll cut 1:12:13.240 --> 1:12:16.120 it if he writes it, if he finished it. So 1:12:16.920 --> 1:12:20.560 they did. They finished it. They finished the song. But 1:12:20.720 --> 1:12:22.719 and I asked John Carter the other day if maybe 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:26.600 he'd had it recorded it or something, you know, put it, 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:30.799 put it down before he passed. But it was exactly 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:33.200 the way Billy Joe walked in and went out to 1:12:33.200 --> 1:12:35.479 the pool and there was Willie just on his butt. 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:37.080 Me and Rick, we're just talking about this when you 1:12:37.120 --> 1:12:39.800 went to the bathroom. So you do these ideas right 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:43.160 that wind up being songs for other people or whatever, 1:12:43.320 --> 1:12:45.040 because you say these things come out of your mouth, 1:12:45.080 --> 1:12:47.760 are a little bit inspired, like earlier when you said 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:49.760 that you felt like when you lost your parents there 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:52.160 was more love behind you than there wasn't you, which 1:12:52.240 --> 1:12:56.719 is a song, yep, but like soon to be soon 1:12:56.800 --> 1:12:58.960 to be a song. But when we made this album, 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:00.800 you were sitting in it just like that in the 1:13:00.800 --> 1:13:02.920 control room, and you were telling me that you called 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:06.400 Loretta up on the phone. He told her that you 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:10.640 had one of your ideas, which was bring my flowers now. 1:13:10.800 --> 1:13:14.559 While I will need your love when I'm gone, don't 1:13:14.600 --> 1:13:17.479 spend time, tears or money on my old breathless body. 1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:20.640 If your heart is in them flowers, bring them now, 1:13:21.680 --> 1:13:27.240 bring them on in the end, And I was awe struck. 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:29.040 And of course we had the documentary cures who were 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:31.479 recording the whole thing. I recorded it. I was like, 1:13:31.640 --> 1:13:34.280 send me that to my phone. Ten you went home. 1:13:34.320 --> 1:13:36.080 I played it for Shooter and Shooters like you got 1:13:36.160 --> 1:13:39.400 to write that song. And me and she didn't get 1:13:39.400 --> 1:13:43.000 out of it this time, wanted out, but she had 1:13:43.040 --> 1:13:45.360 to sit at the piano with me and she had 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:47.479 to write that song and it became the title track 1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:51.600 and really the kind of deep inspiration behind what the 1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:54.679 album actually is. And the album got named while I'm living. 1:13:55.120 --> 1:14:00.160 Your ideas are more they're more penitive than you inter 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:03.519 then you think that they are, Like, is it true 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:10.400 that you wrote the idea? If you're you're the I 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:13.519 got some motion front property in Arizona. From my front 1:14:13.560 --> 1:14:15.800 porch you can see the sea. I got some motion 1:14:15.880 --> 1:14:18.559 from property in Arizona. If you buy that, I'll throw 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:21.600 the golden gate in free how much? So that was 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:23.560 your So let's see what was the deal is that 1:14:23.640 --> 1:14:25.640 Dean Dilon and I were hanging out. We were just 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:27.920 like connected at the hip, you know, and he's one 1:14:27.920 --> 1:14:31.559 of my favorite writers of all time. And then everybody 1:14:31.640 --> 1:14:33.200 say like, if you believe that, you know, I got 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:36.760 some swamp land to say you in Louisiana, And I'm thinking, well, 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:40.360 there is swamp land in Louisiana, So what the hell 1:14:40.680 --> 1:14:42.600 it should be like if if you believe that I 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:45.439 got some motion front property in Arizona, you know, And 1:14:45.600 --> 1:14:48.600 that came out of my mouth and Roy Sporter and 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:50.840 Dean Dilan and we're sitting at his house and that 1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:53.840 just kind of that's a that's what happens song. And 1:14:53.960 --> 1:14:56.280 nobody knows that Tanya Tucker spit that line out. No, 1:14:56.400 --> 1:14:58.880 I mean I didn't, but it doesn't. See you do 1:14:58.960 --> 1:15:01.479 it all damn day. Yeah, I have to keep on 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:05.120 taking Roger Miller's place, you know Roger Miller songwriters. You'd 1:15:05.160 --> 1:15:07.800 see I'm everywhere all around him and if he went 1:15:07.920 --> 1:15:10.800 somewhere because I said anything, will say something many minutes 1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:14.680 and that am now. I mean I have friends, I 1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:19.519 mean Dennis Quaid included that has a pad, Yeah, and 1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:22.360 they write things down. I do it. I do it 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:24.720 all day. And actually Rick's even doing it. Yeah, I 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:28.719 wrote down the same line that she wrote. It's funny. 1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:30.439 You really are right. I got a lot of them. 1:15:30.560 --> 1:15:33.320 You really are an inspiring person and you don't know it. 1:15:33.400 --> 1:15:35.640 And that's what makes it so true. No, I have no. 1:15:35.760 --> 1:15:39.639 I mean, I sometimes I feel so inadequate. And I'm 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:43.040 sure that you know everybody must feel that way at 1:15:43.080 --> 1:15:46.519 some point, but uh, and feel like I mean, you 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:49.200 would question when you're around her. It's like, oh my god, 1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:53.280 I got a lot to learn. But and she's so 1:15:54.680 --> 1:15:58.320 available and for me and and at any time, and 1:15:58.439 --> 1:16:02.479 it's been really a wonderful thing. But you know, I 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:05.280 always would strive to want to be better, no matter 1:16:05.320 --> 1:16:08.160 if I'm cooking a chilly rihanno, or if I'm writing 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:10.040 a song, or if I'm out riding my horse in 1:16:10.120 --> 1:16:12.680 a in a competition. You know, I just want to 1:16:12.720 --> 1:16:15.400 be the best I can be. Like that, what was 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:17.639 that one commercial? I mean that says the American Express 1:16:17.680 --> 1:16:20.200 don't leave home without it. Don't don't leave home without 1:16:20.280 --> 1:16:24.120 I say, don't stay home with it. Don't stay home 1:16:24.200 --> 1:16:26.360 with it? You know. I mean, so I've got this 1:16:26.760 --> 1:16:31.880 commercial mind of I love writing commercials. You know. I'm 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:34.080 held by Madelon in a career out of it, didn't 1:16:34.080 --> 1:16:37.240 he And so there's so many ways and so many 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:39.680 things to be done that I've yet to do. And 1:16:39.800 --> 1:16:42.759 I feel like sometimes I'm running out of time energy, 1:16:43.080 --> 1:16:45.960 ye know, I'm running out of time. Well it's amazing 1:16:45.960 --> 1:16:48.759 because I have epstein bar and that's the chronic fatigue. 1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:52.040 And some days I I don't know how I'm gonna 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:55.160 get out of bed, but I do and but then 1:16:55.200 --> 1:16:57.800 you get up on stage and shake your hips like Elvis. Yeah, 1:16:57.800 --> 1:17:01.960 and then come off and fall fall the floor. But 1:17:02.400 --> 1:17:05.240 it's uh, I guess, I don't know. They asked me 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:09.320 what I want to be remembered for, and I guess 1:17:09.360 --> 1:17:13.240 I'm still working on that answer. I'm I guess a 1:17:13.360 --> 1:17:17.640 good person that was had a good nature and was 1:17:18.160 --> 1:17:23.280 always ready to help somebody, you know, always always on 1:17:23.360 --> 1:17:26.639 the front row. Yeah, farted for the cannon. I feel 1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:30.280 like you're just getting started. I said, this sounds this 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:34.320 aulbms a great place to start, like that as well 1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:37.120 as that's what I tell you once somebody has interviewed me, 1:17:37.120 --> 1:17:42.840 I said, well, it's a start. Forty six albums later, 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:46.160 there are many many starts. Oh and I think that, 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:49.760 and they'll say you only you only live once. I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:55.160 you live many times, you only die once. There you go, 1:17:55.439 --> 1:17:58.960 see what I'm saying? Yeah? Are you writing that? My 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:02.439 writing so many Rick, it's all day it's all day long. 1:18:03.520 --> 1:18:10.200 Yeah yeah, yeah, just a walking song. Yeah. But to 1:18:10.280 --> 1:18:15.200 be inspirational and to inspire people to to write or 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:17.519 do whatever whatever it is they do. If I can 1:18:17.640 --> 1:18:19.920 inspire them to do and be better at what they do. 1:18:20.640 --> 1:18:24.680 It inspires me to be better. But when you have 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:26.960 done it for me and you have to as well, 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:31.680 thank you annoyingly but maybe because I haven't really met you, 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:35.200 but I've know I feel that that connection for sure, 1:18:36.320 --> 1:18:38.320 and I've always said it, but just that price was 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:48.559 just a little too Thanks to Tanya Tucker and Brandy 1:18:48.600 --> 1:18:51.760 Carlisle for coming through Shangrilad Tape Broken Record at the 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:53.920 Tanya Tucker dot com to check out when it tours 1:18:53.960 --> 1:18:55.920 coming through your town, and you can check out her 1:18:55.960 --> 1:18:58.519 new album produced by Brandy Carlyle and Shooter Jennings on 1:18:58.600 --> 1:19:02.200 our Spotify playlist app, Broken Record podcast dot com and 1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:04.479 while a're there, sign up for a behind the scenes newsletter. 1:19:05.200 --> 1:19:07.400 Broken Record is produced with help from Jason Gambrell and 1:19:07.479 --> 1:19:10.320 Melobelle Or. Theme music is by Kenny Beats. Stay tuned 1:19:10.320 --> 1:19:17.880 for next week's episode with the Black Keys. I'm justin Richmond. Well, 1:19:17.960 --> 1:19:20.360 I mean I go, I can talk, you're here, I say, 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:39.200 I'll talk too much for me an alcoholic alcoholic. Thanks 1:19:39.240 --> 1:19:41.840 to Tanya Tucker and Brandy Carlile for coming through Shanglade 1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:44.680 Tape Broken Record at the Tanya Tucker dot com to 1:19:44.760 --> 1:19:46.479 check out when a tour is coming through your town, 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:48.559 and you can check out a new album produced by 1:19:48.640 --> 1:19:51.640 Brandy Carlyle and Shooter Jennings on our Spotify playlist at 1:19:51.680 --> 1:19:54.760 broken record podcast dot com, and while you're there, sign 1:19:54.840 --> 1:19:57.680 up for a behind the scenes newsletter. Broken Record is 1:19:57.680 --> 1:20:00.400 produced with help from Jason Gambrell and Melobelle. Or music 1:20:00.479 --> 1:20:03.040 is by Kenny Beats. Stay tuned for next week's episode 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:09.000 with the Black Keys. I'm justin Richmond, h