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Speaker 1: H Hello, Ulu, welcome to another episode of It could

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Speaker 1: happen here with a twist. Um, this is the holiday

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Speaker 1: special answer for it. UM. So you know, buckle up,

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Speaker 1: you know Santa might make an appearance. UM. But I

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Speaker 1: don't want to take a moment to discuss, you know,

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Speaker 1: this whole idea of Christmas. This practice is globally celebrated

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Speaker 1: cultural festivity, and I guess on the not to be

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Speaker 1: stereotypically leftist, but the issues I have with it alongside um,

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Speaker 1: I think some of the ah best UM and most

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Speaker 1: I think UM hopeful elements within it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about the rest of you. UM. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Garrison and Christopher. I'm very excited we

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Speaker 1: get we get to finally talk about the issue that

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Speaker 1: I've been wanting to talk about ever ever since we

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Speaker 1: started the show. How telling your kids that Santa exists

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Speaker 1: is actually child abuse? This is very exciting. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: we can have this civil discussion to to to cover

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Speaker 1: these these hard hitting topics that are impacting us most.

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Speaker 1: In trying to say this like a Santin's abolitionist or something. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that we condone lying to children

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Speaker 1: in this way every Christmas is. I'm sorry, but that's

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Speaker 1: that's so politically unrealistic. I don't know how you have

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Speaker 1: a platform. I can't take that seriously. Um, it teaches

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Speaker 1: our kids not to trust us. Um. It starts. It

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Speaker 1: is really an extension of the great Man theory that

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Speaker 1: Santa as this man, is the only one capable of

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Speaker 1: delivering all these presents. I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 1: quite trying to say so. It's a manifestation of patriarchy.

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Speaker 1: That's right, it is, it is quite. It's it's quite problematic. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know those elves are not getting paid. You know

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Speaker 1: that Santa has tried to bust unions at his workshop

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Speaker 1: every year. Um, I don't think this reindeer are treated

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Speaker 1: very well. Um. There is a whole, a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of issues here. Yeah, it's a normalization of the surveillance state.

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Speaker 1: It right on the shelves, classic, Yeah. Elf on the

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Speaker 1: shelf came to rise after the Patriot Act was introduced

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Speaker 1: to condition American children into thinking it's okay to always

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Speaker 1: be watched. This is it's it's this, this, this is sick.

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Speaker 1: Parents are culpable in promoting this myth. Um. I think

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Speaker 1: this needs to be addressed. You know what, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know what I think. I think you all need

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Speaker 1: to be Christmas pilled. I don't know about show, but

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Speaker 1: I love I love Christmas, and I think, um, I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think we need to take a Christmas bill. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, of course the actual gift getting hasn't been

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Speaker 1: the best, especially we want to get past it. It

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Speaker 1: just like, okay, this is what it is. That but

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Speaker 1: I mean what about that? You know, the color, the

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Speaker 1: food and the drink, getting people together, um, catching up.

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Speaker 1: You know, celebrated in many different ways, religiously and non religiously,

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Speaker 1: and of course it's not even celebrated at all, um

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Speaker 1: in some places and with some people. Um. And you know,

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Speaker 1: there are other religious observances and holidays around this time.

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Speaker 1: They don't like Kinnaka and concern whatever else. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of us are most familiar with Christmas,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're you know, mostly familiar with the

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Speaker 1: origins of Christmas. That's not the kind of episode we're

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Speaker 1: getting into here. Um. I think you know, we all

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Speaker 1: that fun stuff, knows it about Charles Dickens and Scrooge

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Speaker 1: sort of you know, ideas of what Christmas is, what

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Speaker 1: it means, you know, UM, and really how a lot

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Speaker 1: I mean, for many, Christmas is basically capitalism on steroids.

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Speaker 1: For one, UM and Santa have to sort of promote

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Speaker 1: the capitalist as I'm sure would UM would. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you great. Well that's the episode everybody again. I

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Speaker 1: hope you I hope you have a good holiday season.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, I think Andrew is more to say. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Scrooge McDuck's of the world. The rest of the year.

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