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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two oh one,

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Speaker 1: episode four of Days I Got the production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a

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Speaker 1: deep to dive into America's share consciousness. And it's Friday,

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Speaker 1: September one, a day before the twentieth anniversary of September eleven.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien, a k from the back

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Speaker 1: to the middle and around again. I'm gonna be there

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Speaker 1: till the trend one hundred percent do love. That is

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Speaker 1: courtesy of Radio and Georgio, who pointed out that the

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Speaker 1: late Michael kay Williams choreographed and dances in that video

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Speaker 1: with Crystal Waters. Oh I knew he's a dancer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's a that's the catalog. Yeah yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,

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Speaker 1: Mr Miles Grass. Oh well, you know how I do

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Speaker 1: on a Friday night. I'm just probably driving and I'm smoking.

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Speaker 1: Means I'm fading. Got these cravings, but just fading. Nothing's open.

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Speaker 1: Need that mord Meal, So I'm going he said, who

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Speaker 1: getting Taco Bell tonight? Who getting Taco Bell tonight? Ain't

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Speaker 1: as much as a well tonight who giving my toilet

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Speaker 1: hell tonight. Okay, it's hey K, Miles, great, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much to Christie. Was Gucci made for that part?

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Speaker 1: I had to kind of give that first verse just

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Speaker 1: to kind of set up the scene. But at that

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Speaker 1: inspired take, Yeah, we gotta bring that in. We gotta

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Speaker 1: bring in the background. That was that was beautiful. Well

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Speaker 1: he was getting Taco belltn. We I would have and

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Speaker 1: and what one of the few times where the A

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Speaker 1: K is a a drastic improvement on the lyrical content

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Speaker 1: of the actual song. Yeah, I feel like I could

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Speaker 1: sing that with a lot more passion than yeah tonight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because like his version is I think it's like about

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Speaker 1: how Marilyn Manson shouldn't be canceled. Maybe, like is Marilyn

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Speaker 1: Manson's like on the jack come on, it's getting tackle

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Speaker 1: bell tonight. Thank you, thank you. That's asked the questions

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Speaker 1: that are on the Zeitgeist's mind. Yes, exactly, Miles. We

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Speaker 1: are thrilled, fortunate, blessed to be joined in our third

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Speaker 1: seat by a brilliant storyteller who is the lead creative

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Speaker 1: strategist for Assalted Logic. She's worked in everything from fine

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Speaker 1: art to technology to academia too. Conservation has worked with

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Speaker 1: everyone from small business reas in Hawaii to global PR

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Speaker 1: firm in New York City. She is the co host

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Speaker 1: of the podcast The up Vote and created the three

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Speaker 1: part audio experience they called me Hapa, Please Welcome the Talented,

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Speaker 1: the Brilliant. He Wilkerson. I didn't know that you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to bring our favorite Drake bars from his latest album.

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Speaker 1: If I knew that, I would have prepared. I have

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Speaker 1: no song. But you guys, it's wonderful to have you

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Speaker 1: gotten through either of those long winded albums. No, and

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Speaker 1: I planned to. Here's the thing, like, I think, like

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Speaker 1: anybody that's maybe under the age of thirty, at one

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Speaker 1: point in my life I did like Drake. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's the backdrop to my middle school angst. He

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Speaker 1: gave me a channel to, you know, kind of express

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Speaker 1: all the pain I was going through at a certain age,

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Speaker 1: even though my life was so simple. But that guy

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Speaker 1: in third grade, he broke my heart, and Drake just

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Speaker 1: gave me the anthem for it. And so, you know,

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Speaker 1: in a way, he he gives me something. But at

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Speaker 1: this point, it's like all the pedophilia, I just you know,

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Speaker 1: not much of a hot take when there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of receipts. Were like you're trying to how are they

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Speaker 1: just like yeah, but like just to let him know,

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Speaker 1: like how this business is. Well. Also, any any woman

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Speaker 1: Like there's just something about you, and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you're just not like the other girls. And you're like,

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct. Yes, well you can date me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you turn twenty five and you're like, oh

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Speaker 1: this still the Millie Bobby Brown ship or are there

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Speaker 1: more receipts, more ship coming out? Actually I'm not. I

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Speaker 1: people making their you know that. We've had other guests

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Speaker 1: not resist the allure of Tennessee. Yeah. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like the less weird version of Portland's just

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at it to that. What what made

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Speaker 1: It's just that like every apartment in New York is

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Speaker 1: So something about being in like a heightened version of quarantine,

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Speaker 1: that it's like Vegas, like people live in Vegas, but

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Speaker 1: it's like should you like it's like living at Disneyland.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a good idea in your ten, but

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Speaker 1: it's like in practice, you're thinking about whether you could. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have two options going out with You're gonna go

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Speaker 1: a round or shoot a machine gun? Oh too, shoot

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Speaker 1: a very expensive, shitty roller coaster ride, and then that's

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Speaker 1: about it. You have a construction truck, you can you

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Speaker 1: can like rent Giant, but you know what can parks

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Speaker 1: were really really nice. Such a specific compliment. I lived

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Speaker 1: but because we're doing a lot of like organizing and

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Speaker 1: stuff in the area, we would go to certain like

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Speaker 1: complimented New York City's parks when I was talking earlier,

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Speaker 1: Nature is beautiful, Nature is healing. L A just needs

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Speaker 1: these parks like fucking pirates and scratchers. I haven't quite

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a look back at that bullshit through

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Speaker 1: the eyes of Terry Albury, who was an FBI agent

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Speaker 1: who is currently in jail as uh, the first person

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Speaker 1: because he was basically like, oh, the FBI is basically

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Speaker 1: sending people to prison and ruining people's lives for being Muslim,

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Speaker 1: the intercept and the details are wild and fucked up.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to take a look at that.

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Speaker 1: As we're nearing the twenty year anniversary of September eleven,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Trump's campaign to stay front

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Speaker 1: and center of our minds, how that's going. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about America's a weird history of a you know,

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Speaker 1: commercializing nine eleven memorabilia, all of that, plenty more. But

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Speaker 1: is something from your search ustry? Okay, I have to

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Speaker 1: there's a caveat here. Sure, So my last search is

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Speaker 1: cheating dating sites. Now, I want to be clear that

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Speaker 1: I was not searching these out for my own use,

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Speaker 1: doing an episode about cheating, and like films and TV

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Speaker 1: It's Ashley Madison. I mean, I was looking for research

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Speaker 1: it's a wild profile because it's like you're just everything

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Speaker 1: as they say, there's like even reporting around how the

424
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: people who are attempting to kidnap Governor Whitmer in Michigan

425
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: very similar playbook, where it was the informants in the

426
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: meeting saying, hey, what if we kidnapped him? Huh? And

427
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: then they go along like yeah, I got them. They're

428
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna do some wild ship. So it's yeah, this

429
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's really I think it really just

430
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: hardening thing is Like again, we're seeing another example of

431
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: somebody who is trying to I guess, you know, not

432
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: like not that he can write the ship, but at

433
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: least try and course correct in the small way he

434
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: felt he could, and then now he's in jail. Yeah.

435
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: I have complicated feelings about just the concept of changing

436
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: a structure from within, Like I'm always a little I

437
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: don't know, like I sometimes I doubt like at some point,

438
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: especially because he was in for so long, like did

439
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: it take that long to realize that this angle is

440
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: not gonna work? Like let me transform the organization from

441
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: within as the one guy trying to do it, And

442
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm just always suspicious of like how real is that

443
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: in practice? Like what are you doing on a day

444
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: to day basis to try to transform something that is

445
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: so systemic? Yeah, Like what does that even look like?

446
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: I think it probably looks like first trying to adhere

447
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: to the systems that are in place to raise grievances

448
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: within the structurally fucked organization in and then when those

449
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: are rendered inert, then you are like, fuck, how do

450
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: I do so I guess I'll just laugh along, because

451
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: he says then he had to just sort of like

452
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: play along with all the like islamophobic nonsense that the

453
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: other agents were talking about, like yeah, and I don't.

454
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: And I guess maybe his reek, you know, his only

455
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: recourse is to just be like I guess the only

456
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: thing to do just come out very publicly and say

457
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: what's happening, because there's not there's like three moves you

458
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: set up and it's like, got you FBI, Now we're

459
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, advocating for like workers rights, right, No, yeah,

460
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: there there is. There isn't a playbook, and I think

461
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: it always surprises me. I mean, obviously I'm not white,

462
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: but I'm always I'm working to be not desensitized to

463
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: the shock. But it's really fucking hard, you know what

464
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: I mean. Like every day there's a new thing of like, well,

465
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: did you know that we're racist? You know? And it's like, no,

466
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: I I've been knowing so well, hold on, hold on

467
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: how stories might be a new story? Actually, ah, how

468
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: do I know that they're racist? Right? Just just in

469
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: basic data gathering? But yeah, I guess. Yeah, the the

470
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: amount of things that he was experiencing and having to

471
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: witness it sort of makes like all this ship that

472
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: you see, especially like the War on Terror propaganda ship

473
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: that you see, where it's like these people who were like, man,

474
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: we got to defend the countryman from evil doers, when

475
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: really it was just a bunch of racists who said

476
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: any person who came out of a mosque was a suspect.

477
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: Like that's not of writing. Like the details of how

478
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: it was conducted was straight up like they would just

479
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: pick somebody. First of all, they would pay somebody to inform,

480
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: so that person was incentivized to just come up with information.

481
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: And I mean, there's this quote from a former agent

482
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: who's not the person in jail Aubrey, but the agent says,

483
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: I'd say most of our investigations were based on very

484
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: thin leads from questionable sources. But what was the alternative.

485
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: The government was convinced that there were sleeper cells all

486
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: over the country and we had to find them, so

487
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: it's just create what the government thinks is there. I mean,

488
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: it all started with that, with the search for like

489
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: w M d S and Iraq like that like that,

490
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: but that turned out to be just like kind of

491
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: written into the you know, cellular makeup of every aspect

492
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: of the War on Terror, just like make up a

493
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: problem so that you had something to spend money on

494
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: and like could get your angst out and your racist

495
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: anger out. Well, and that's the fantasy of the FBI too,

496
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: Like it's so it's so self indulgent, you know. I

497
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: think that they have this image of themselves kind of

498
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: like like running through the streets and like very captain America,

499
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: saving the world, and then they catch a baby that's

500
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: falling from the from a tower, and I think like

501
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: they have to work really hard to almost maintain that

502
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: image of themselves. And then their solution is, well, then

503
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: let's create problems so that we can solve problems, Like

504
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: let's just find ship to be doing so that we

505
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: don't need to address all of the other structural problems

506
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: that we've that we've created. Make a other, make a

507
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: bad guy, and then it becomes very simple, so then

508
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: we don't need to be the bad guy. Yeah, it's

509
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: like almost like it's not even necessarily a policy of it,

510
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: but this is just how American society is like manifested

511
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: in this organization which is like this sort of secret

512
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: police force which is you know there too uphold these

513
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: narratives that we need to keep saying, like everyone's in

514
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: immense danger from the outside from people from other countries. Also,

515
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: these stereotypes that we have in our society, those are

516
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: all true because we also look for cases where that's

517
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, we can reinforce those and let's also you know,

518
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: very clearly ignore all of like the discriminatory and racist

519
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: behavior of the people within the agency. Have you listened

520
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: to the podcast Cops? M hm? So interesting? He also

521
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: so the guy that does it is Dan to Birsky.

522
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: He also has a new show that just launched called

523
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: nine twelve that's about the impact of nine eleven. That's

524
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: really interesting. But Cops is all about the reality TV

525
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: show Cops and how that reality show, spanning over decades,

526
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: like has had this huge hand in shaping like a

527
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: quote unquote officers self perception, like what he thinks it

528
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: looks like to be a detective and to be a cop.

529
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: And so it's these like grown man children almost replaying

530
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: those like fight scenes that they saw in Cops and

531
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: then like wanting to get the to get the bad guy,

532
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: and so they're like chasing the feeling of I don't know,

533
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: like like catching people red handed or like needing it

534
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: to be movie like and so then they create the

535
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: bad guys so they can have that moment for themselves.

536
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. Yeah, we had Dan on before. I

537
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: think the show is called Running from Cops. Oh yes,

538
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, it's really mind blowing and I mean

539
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's just it's like so written into the

540
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: d n A that, like the shore that TV show

541
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: down to like every aspect of what this officer saw

542
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of like they would abuse the No

543
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: fly list to coerce Muslims and de spying on their communities,

544
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: basically saying like we're going to put you on the

545
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: No fly list unless you give us names. And then

546
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: like just every everybody was under constant suspicion if they

547
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: were Muslim, like everyone everywhere. It was basically FBI agents

548
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: were sent into these communities to instill fear, he says,

549
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: and then generate this paranoid within these people so that

550
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: they know that they're under suspicion perpetually, and there's no

551
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: justification for the suspicion other than the he says, suspicion

552
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: as a state of being. But basically just you know,

553
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: that is a pervasive and corrosive like force that's just

554
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: like they're always It's not something that like you can

555
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: like point to, but you know, you have the constant

556
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: veil of suspicion and the possibility that somebody's just gonna

557
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: sucking break into your house and make you give them

558
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: names of your fucking best friends to like implicate them

559
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: in a in a crime that's just like so poisonous.

560
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Oh and the and the thought of even the concept

561
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: of informants, right, I think is is framed as this

562
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: like sneaky strategy to get the bad guy, but in

563
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: reality it only creates extreme mistrust, extreme divisiveness, and a

564
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: feeling of oppression within the community. And then that even

565
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: further is the decay of the community structure, which disproportionately

566
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: targets black and brown communities. Yeah, all right, well we

567
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: will link off to the article and the footnotes. It

568
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: is definitely a worthy read and puts into context some

569
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: stories that have been under representative in the mainstream media

570
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: over the past twenty years. For certain, Let's talk about

571
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: real quickly what Donald Trump and his campaign are doing

572
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: to trend stay front and center without holding office, and

573
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: without having access to an active social media account, all

574
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: he can he you know, he has very few tools

575
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: at his disposal because he's not like at the G

576
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: seven with a mic and where he could just be

577
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: like says some wild ship and then it consumes that

578
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: fucking headlines for you know, weeks on end. So he's

579
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: got to be very efficient and like right now, his

580
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: tool kid includes rallies saying vile racist ship just straight

581
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: up lies or I guess doing commentary at boxing matches

582
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: on the twenty anniversary of nine eleven, So we'll talk

583
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: about the the last couple of points, you know. For example,

584
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: his latest attempt at just creating a bunch of waves

585
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: was him lamenting the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue

586
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: in Virginia. He had this whole, you know, because now

587
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: all he does is put out like press releases in

588
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: the form of like tweets, but they're just so long.

589
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: People just check out after the first sentence, one of

590
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: the last ones of this sentences, if only we had

591
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: Robert E. Lee to command our troops in Afghanistan, What

592
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: an embarrassment we are suffering because we don't have the

593
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: genius of a Robert e Lee, the guy who wanted

594
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: to destroy the Union to keep slavery around. That's so

595
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: that you know that that got that chummed the waters

596
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it didn't quite I don't think

597
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: did maybe did the numbers that he was used to,

598
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, getting for saying things like that. Then he

599
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: said something about nine eleven that I didn't realize. He's

600
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: been saying like a few different lies about nine eleven.

601
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: The most prominent ones were that he went down there

602
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: with a crew and like helped do shit. That's people

603
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: are like, I don't know, we we saw you down there.

604
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: Not many people have heard of you bringing any kind

605
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: of resources to help, aside from a camera to document

606
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: you being there. And then he also said like he

607
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: was giving money to charities and never did so he

608
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: apparently say he's telling a new lie, and I just

609
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: want to play his new lie for everybody to hear,

610
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: because this is just again part of his self myth

611
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: building that he does and he's normally used to. Well,

612
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: I was down there right after the event, and I

613
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: brought a big crew of people down and I helped

614
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: a lot of other people helped. Those first responders are

615
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: very brave and I'm telling you we used we were

616
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: hearing creeks. I've never forgotten it. Uh, there was I

617
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: think the United States Steel Building it was called at

618
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: the time, and it's fifty stories tall and we heard creeks.

619
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: I said that building's gonna come down, and two big

620
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: fire me and grabbed me and grabbed other people and

621
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: they just moved out of that area. Never came down,

622
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: But I never heard a noise like that, and it

623
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: was it was a scary situation, but the job they Okay,

624
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: So he's lying like someone's elderly parent four five year

625
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: old like either one. Yeah, there's an entire spectrum of liars,

626
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, I like how he goes, oh my god,

627
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: in the fire right, get out and you know it

628
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: never came down, But I forget. That's like, that's his

629
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: The art of the lie is to be like and

630
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: you know it never did come down, to make it

631
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: like sound a little bit truer that like it's not

632
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: like they're exploded in the back. You can't prove it, like, right,

633
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: did y'all hear the creeks with Donald Trump after nine eleven?

634
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: Like what are you what? The creeks? Well, And he

635
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: also tries to tell lies that can like, he purposely

636
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: tells lies that can be verified because as a normal

637
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: human being, you're like, no one would lie about something

638
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: that would be so easily display in. But he's not

639
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: a normal human being. And this particular lie reminds me

640
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: of if you've watched the documentary The Woman who Wasn't There,

641
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: it's just a documentary about a woman who like inserted

642
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: herself into nine eleven survivor support groups and people that

643
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: lost families and husbands and told this big story about

644
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: how her fiance died and blah blah blah blah blah.

645
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, but it's it's literally just him, you know,

646
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: and thing fell apart when someone just bothered to like

647
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: look into it right well. And the shame too. It

648
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: was another survivor that was like, this is not making

649
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: any sense, and like but you're never like you would

650
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: never do that, you know, Like I wonder if this

651
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: person is lying about losing their arm and their husband

652
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: died and then was saved by this firefighter and you

653
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: just never think to yeah, and then and then you

654
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: look into it, and then it's just for this, it's

655
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: just an insult to people who actually went through it,

656
00:39:53,239 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: like my friend Steve ran is easy who Sorry, yeah,

657
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: comedy fake nine eleven joke for the comedy fans that

658
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: he ran a CC nine. One of the guys from

659
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: the what is It the League claimed that he was.

660
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: They're also did the same thing. Well. And one last

661
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: thing though about the boxing match yesterday we're talking about.

662
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: I bet I said, look, they probably gotta fucking pay

663
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: day for that. And there's sources out there saying that

664
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: they put an obscene amount of money in front of

665
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: the two Trumps to get them to do color commentary

666
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: at this boxing event with Evander Holyfield, even though a

667
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: lot of people who are like working on it, like dude,

668
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with like some Trump production.

669
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: And the promotion comes like, sorry, look where maybe this

670
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: will sell tickets because I don't know, maybe you will,

671
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, if anyone can comment on physical

672
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: prowess and sport, yeah yeah right, if anybody. That's how

673
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: he was known young in his athletic career as the

674
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: boy Don. He's like like at his biceps, they're bigger

675
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: than Christmas hands hell, you love to see it? Wow,

676
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: I bet they're so juicy. How much how how do

677
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: you think they taste? Take a big old bite out

678
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: of that? What do you mean boxing? Stop looking at

679
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: it with like food. That he hasn't started a podcast

680
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: like that feels like the obvious, like an Alex Jones e,

681
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: just like Arrant Stream of Consciousness. I'm just surprised that

682
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened. I wonder if someone's just done the thing,

683
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: like you know, like if you've ever been in a

684
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: podcast session and you're monitoring your own mike, so you're

685
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: hearing your own voice come through your headphones, if they

686
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: just put that on him, if that's like an Oculus

687
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 1: headset for him when he's like, WHOA, what's happening? Hello? Yes,

688
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: who's that you? Hillary? Like, and he never presses the record, Yeah,

689
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: record three episodes, but none of them are available to

690
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: THEE five thousand of the Sundowning with Trump Show. I

691
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: don't know where that goes, but yeah, I think it's

692
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: just because there's no audience. I think that's probably why,

693
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: like you can't Retwitter podcast, Yeah exactly. He needs a stimulation. Yeah,

694
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: all right, let's take another quick break and we'll be

695
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back and we're just talking to

696
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: break them that out the creek. I've never heard a

697
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: sound like that. His lies always contain big guys, like

698
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: these generals. They're big and handsome. And they told me,

699
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: they said, you're the greatest president since Washington maybe, And

700
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: this one contained like big firefighters coming to sweep him

701
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: off his feet. Huge huge, These firefighters were huge, and

702
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: they whisked me out of there, took me to their place.

703
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: And there's even a super cut of him talking about

704
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: big strong guys. L the size of that guy, powerful guy.

705
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: You know, I have a friend, big guy, one of

706
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: the biggest in the world. That's some big people behind me. Guy,

707
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: big strong, big strong guy, big strong guy. I mean,

708
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, so he's definitely like, yeah, I'm sure he

709
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: loves a friend, big guy, one of the biggest in

710
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: the world, the biggest size of Christmas Hams. He did

711
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: he say that Christmas Hams thing? Old. You know he's

712
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: going to see his biceps. They were like they were

713
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: like the kinds of chains they used to put on

714
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: the side of navy battleships. So strong, so strong. Anyways,

715
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: you think he I would love I wonder if, like Loki,

716
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: he's paid an art us to do like a like

717
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: a romance novel cover with him being swept away by

718
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: one of these like these big guys he's always talking about,

719
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, like a fabio esque, just big chiseled guy.

720
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: You should have seen him. He swept me away from

721
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: the rebel. Really, it felt so safe in his arms.

722
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: And that's how I want the country to feel with

723
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: my new military plan. You just feel you're just in

724
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: the tender and you're in the arms of a guy

725
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: with biceps the side of Christmas Hams just as sticky

726
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: and like how did you get the clothes in there?

727
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: And the hatch work on the cut on the fat.

728
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: He's really impressive. Al Right, well, I guess it shouldn't

729
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: be surprising, given who was elected president of twice sixteen,

730
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: that America hasn't been like super respectful, classy when it

731
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: comes to never forgetting nine eleven. So our writer j

732
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: M kind of look back at you know, nine eleven,

733
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: the national tragedy and merchandizing bonanza, and yeah, there's some

734
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: wild ship in here. So there was a big run

735
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: of coins that came out very early on. There's a

736
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: medallion allegedly made from recycled steel from the World Trade

737
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: center that costs a mere thirty dollars, and they this

738
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: is you know, noble. They set aside five thousand to

739
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: ten thousand medallions for the victims families at no charge.

740
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: So like this kind yeah, so we we turned this

741
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: murder scene into a neck chain for other people to buy,

742
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: but here's for free one for you because it's such

743
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: a terrible loss. So sorry. In two thousand four, there

744
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: were coins supposedly minted from silver recovery ground zero, which

745
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, from the pocket change of the victims,

746
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: Like we wasn't there that like rumor that there was

747
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: this like vault or something in the fucking basement. Oh

748
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: some I just remember some weird folksy bullshit thing of

749
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: like you know, there was like a lot of precious

750
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: medal in there too, But I don't know. I mean

751
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: it could be true, but maybe it was recovered. But

752
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: I remember that was like a big like a ground

753
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: zero three kings where they're going going in depending Yeah,

754
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: what part of the internet you were on at the time, right,

755
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: So these they actually claimed were legally authorized silver dollars,

756
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: which they weren't. They were actually made by a novelty

757
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: company that also produced Harry Potter coins, which also not

758
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: acceptable as legal tender as far as I know. And

759
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: then in in twenty eleven, the federal government started selling

760
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: their own nine eleven commemorative coin. Fort you gotta market

761
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: up so that you know, you can take advantage of

762
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: the fact that it's the real deal from the people

763
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: who brought you nine eleven nine eleven coin. Sorry about

764
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: our foreign policy, y'all. Here's a coin directed by m

765
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: Night Shamalan, sponsored by m Night Shamalan, who could say, no,

766
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: what a specific number? Two? Why did you have to

767
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: be fifty seven dollars? Like what is you know? Is

768
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: that the market number to make you feel like, oh,

769
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: they were thinking about how value all that is. Probably

770
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: they could have just had a hundred, but I think

771
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: it's really probably worth close to fifty seven. The government

772
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: is honest. There was a non coin related merchandise, the

773
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: nine eleven coloring book for children, which you know there

774
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: was for the ladies, I'm sure. Yeah. There was an

775
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: image of Osama bin Laden being executed while cowering behind

776
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: a woman in a Muslim his job, which is the

777
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: text from the page. Yea, yeah, so this is so funny, man,

778
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: Like they just basically turned never forget and to be like,

779
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: never forget, we're now painting all people from the Middle

780
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: East as evildoers. Never forget that the script were sticking

781
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: to now like it was never about the United States

782
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: because that's just this malleable concept that people bandy around

783
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: so disingenuously to bolster whatever fucked up ideology they have.

784
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: It's never about the actual country, just sort of saying, well,

785
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: this is the thing you can't attack, so I'll put

786
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: the country in front of me and then that will

787
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: protect whatever nonsense I'm advocating for. Because it was like

788
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: the other thing with the merchandise is I remember every

789
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: TV show they were like doing stuff and people fucking

790
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: wrapped up in the flag and ship and crying and

791
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: they're like, I just feel so special to be part

792
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: of this country. And it truly was put us in

793
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: this era where you could not criticize the United States,

794
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: like people who were on the news saying like, well,

795
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: the reason people wanted to attack the United States is

796
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: because of all the destabilizing activity that we do in

797
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: the region that creates the hottest movements and things like that,

798
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: and they're like they're van because you know, a fucking

799
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: fighter jet is gonna like nut red, white and blue

800
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: over like a football game or some ship. I think

801
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: a huge part of that is, like not that Americans

802
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: aren't or some Americans aren't racist already, but I think

803
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: to keep people obsessed with America, they have to convince

804
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: everyone that the rest of the world isn't free and

805
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: you're the only one that's free, and that's why you

806
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: should be so proud as opposed to like the reality,

807
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: which is there's lots of places that you know, free

808
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: healthcare and like when you have a baby, you can

809
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: stay home with your baby, and what's that place sounds scary? Yeah?

810
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: Do they have challenge coins to commemorate their They don't

811
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: have merch though. That's I mean, it's where they lose me,

812
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: you know. It was also like one of the most

813
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: lucrative kind of storylines that America has ever because like

814
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: after the Cold War, the nolitary industrial complex didn't really

815
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: know what to do with themselves, and then this gave

816
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: them a new purpose, so they successfully cashed in. But

817
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: it was generally like seen as not a great look

818
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: when like Walmart recreated the towers out of cases of soda, Yeah,

819
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: which is there. I think a lot of people have

820
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: seen that picture. But he got the red, white and

821
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: blue with the pepsi diet coke and coke cans, and

822
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: then the towers are made of coke zero. And the

823
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: thing is that people were mad that they were mixing

824
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: pepsi and coke products. It should have done all pepsi

825
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: because pepsi solves all of the world's injustices. Right, Yes,

826
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: we've long said that. Yeah. Can you imagine if they

827
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: had that same ad agency around nine eleven, if they

828
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: were like with the Kendall Jenner ad if they do

829
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: something it's like Mohammed ata here, I think you just

830
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: want to pepsi, sir. Yeah, yeah, he's a flight attended.

831
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh my god. Yeah. It would have been

832
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: United ninety three or whatever the funck, and it would

833
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: have been a pepsi at this That's what this, again,

834
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: is so weird about everything, is that there's not there's nothing,

835
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: there's no sanctity to anything every because and I think

836
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: that's really what all this reveals is there's nothing sacred

837
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: in this country, absolutely fucking nothing, not even human life,

838
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: because it'll just be a fucking merch display or a

839
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: commemorative blanket or coin because someone else doesn't give a fuck.

840
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: They just know that they can use these events to

841
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: make more money or more furious. So never forget. Nothing

842
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 1: is sacred here. The nine eleven Museum is still open.

843
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: The gift shop is still like putting out products like

844
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: a cheese cutting board, a nine eleven commemorative cheese tray

845
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: where it's in the shape of the United States and

846
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: their little hearts where the hijacked airplanes went down. So

847
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's something like meta about taking a knife

848
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Speaker 1: to a board that the something about that this is

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure who made it, but it was an

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Speaker 1: official selection they like the person who runs the museum's

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Speaker 1: gift shop, which again the n I Love Museum maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe shouldn't have a gift shop, but the person who

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Speaker 1: run like, we're carefully selecting products to make sure they're tasteful,

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Speaker 1: and yeah they and apparently this fell under that category.

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Speaker 1: And it's also just kind of extra fucked up because

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Speaker 1: then I Love Museum also has unidentified remains on the

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Speaker 1: premises of so like many relatives of victims have actively

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Speaker 1: protested just the idea of having fucking people selling mugs

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Speaker 1: and t shirts and scarves. Well have they tried the

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Speaker 1: cutting boards yet, because maybe that's they are pretty They

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Speaker 1: do look pretty nice. Yeah, yeah, what do you what

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Speaker 1: kind of fucking again, Like there's so many things wrong

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Speaker 1: with this cutting tray, cheeseboard, fucking sharkou terrorism board that

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Speaker 1: they've got, but like the only thing that this has

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Speaker 1: it's a ceramic outline of the United States with just

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Speaker 1: three fucking stars painted on like parts of the northeast.

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Speaker 1: That's really so they've I'm sure they reappropriated some ceramic

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Speaker 1: moments said all right, put stars there. It's nine eleven.

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Speaker 1: My next thing is, if you are putting this platter together,

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Speaker 1: are you like really treating that section of the cheese

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Speaker 1: board is sacred? You're not just gonna lay a shipload

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Speaker 1: of crackers and shipped on top of it and like

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Speaker 1: honeycomb and further disrespect. I just don't everything about it,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't even know how you present it in

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Speaker 1: a way that someone goes, oh my god, is this

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Speaker 1: a nine eleven commemorati? That's so thoughtful of you, Like

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Speaker 1: this is You're such an ace with the decor, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I love it, Thank you so much, and like yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and and these wine eleven glasses that you made.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I mean does have

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Speaker 1: to exist, right, there has to be wine eleven at

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Speaker 1: this point, I mean, haven't we reached eleven? Can't help

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Speaker 1: but forget or something like that, where it's like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, whine eleven, never forget your corkscrew. There you go.

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Speaker 1: The gift shop is still going today, selling everything from

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Speaker 1: toy cars for sixty dollars that look like just twenty

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Speaker 1: dollar toy cars, but they have never forget written on

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Speaker 1: the hood. And then there's also like a bunch of

889
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: t shirts twenty years later, limited edition collection of just garbage.

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Speaker 1: I just looked on a and there's some nine eleven

891
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Speaker 1: like twenty years later, never forget face masks, and I

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Speaker 1: just don't think that the audience like, where's never forget

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Speaker 1: memorabilia and wears a mask ever overlap. Yeah, it's kind

894
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,959
Speaker 1: of a wasteful product. Really. That's an interesting person though.

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Speaker 1: I'd like, where's that New York Times profile? They're multifaceted,

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Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, but yeah, it's just I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so it's been twenty years. I mean, Jesus, like

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00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: it's it's been so long, and you think of how

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Speaker 1: things have changed so drastically just in the last few years,

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Speaker 1: but how we're still like really having a problem having

901
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: a real again because America hates a reckoning, having a

902
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: reckoning with this supposed war on terror and the amount

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Speaker 1: of money that was just hissed away while everything just

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Speaker 1: went by the wayside here in the country. Yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I don't know, I'm just thinking

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Speaker 1: back of like how that fucking I remember the city

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Speaker 1: in l A. People were so hopped up on that

908
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: patriotism ship. It was fucking why like every street turned

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00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: into some like fucking jingle with It's just like everything

910
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: was a parade suddenly, except for specific parts of the city.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, like I just felt like everything else was

912
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Speaker 1: this just this like weird fever dream that people went

913
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: through those first couple of years and like completely ignored

914
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Speaker 1: what was actually at steak Yeah, hey, but that's it's

915
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Speaker 1: like the government knows what they're doing when like that, Hina,

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Speaker 1: it has been such a pleasure having you on the

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Speaker 1: daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you and follow you

918
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: and hear you and all that, Yes, you can follow

919
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: me personally at Hina Rising on all socials and you

920
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Speaker 1: can check out some of the stuff that salted logic

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Speaker 1: is doing at assalted logic dot com. Yeah. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: is there a tweet or some of the work of

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00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: social media you've been enjoying. Yeah, this is uh my

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Speaker 1: favorite tweet of this week, and it is serial killers

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Speaker 1: in the seventies had no idea that they were going

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Speaker 1: around creating content. Yeah, that's good. You you wrote your

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Speaker 1: thesis about, like, yeah, my my thesis was about how

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Speaker 1: podcasting is like transforming true crime to like have an

929
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Speaker 1: impact on the justice system because the people that basically,

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Speaker 1: like we write stories about like really pretty white, well

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Speaker 1: off women, and then that stops the public from being

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Speaker 1: able to recognize someone that isn't that archetype as a victim,

933
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Speaker 1: and then it stops their cases from being solved because

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Speaker 1: we have no the diversity of what we see as

935
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Speaker 1: a victim is so small that like it impacts our empathy, right,

936
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Speaker 1: and then podcasting has yeah, yeah, the women in podcasting

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00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: that like, you know, women experience most women have experienced

938
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Speaker 1: some kind of sexual harassment in their life, and they

939
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Speaker 1: just have more empathy with victims. So instead of talking

940
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: about like Ted Bundy and how he's so hot, which

941
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Speaker 1: is kind of what true crime was for a while.

942
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Speaker 1: They're talking about the victims and their pain, and it's

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00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: transforming the way that we see crime because it's being

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Speaker 1: told in this like empathetic, kind of female driven away. Yeah,

945
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Speaker 1: really cool, Miles, Where can people find You? And what's

946
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Speaker 1: ther tweet you've been enjoying? Do boy? Twitter? Instagram at

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00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: Miles of Gray. Also the other show if you like

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Speaker 1: ninety Fiance, check out four Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra

949
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Speaker 1: and I Where we do you know? Just look through

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Speaker 1: the matrix of that show and some tweets that I like. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the first one is from from Tony Newsom at

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Speaker 1: Trondy Newman. She tweeted, last night, my friend was trying

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Speaker 1: to list all the fixings on a Chicago dog, and

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Speaker 1: when she couldn't remember anymore, she lifted up her Jeane

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Speaker 1: short leg and on her thigh was a huge Chicago

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Speaker 1: dog tattoo and she looked at it and goes, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: pickle spears, This city takes my breath away. Another one

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Speaker 1: from Trash Jones at Jay's Zucks, tweeting when glock when

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Speaker 1: God closes a door, he opens a window. Unfortunately we

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Speaker 1: are on a plane. That's pretty good, uh tweet I've

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Speaker 1: been enjoying. Roywood Jr. Tweeted iPhone cameras are too good

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Speaker 1: for them to still be charging us for school day pictures.

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Speaker 1: I respect the hustle though that is still still happening

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Speaker 1: and we're still paying for it. I'm not proud of it.

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Speaker 1: But and the pictures are so bad. The pictures are

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Speaker 1: because anyways, I think my dad tried to take He

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Speaker 1: tried to show up and take a picture of me

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Speaker 1: to try and save money. Once there you go. It's

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Speaker 1: more they were like, what are you doing here? Pol

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Speaker 1: Like you can't show up with like now with a

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Speaker 1: camera to a school for the small children. You can

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Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can

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Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist. Where at the

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Speaker 1: Daily Zeitgeist on you Instagram. We have a Facebook fan

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Speaker 1: page and a website Daily's like guys dot com, where

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Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our foot note where we

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Speaker 1: link off to the information that we talked about in

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Speaker 1: today's episode, as well as a song that we think

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Speaker 1: you'll enjoy. Miles with something are we suggesting people this

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Speaker 1: is uh, it's not gonna be Kanye West going to

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Speaker 1: Taco Bell Tonight remix that might happen. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: be from Bad, Bad, Not Good. They have a new

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Speaker 1: track out with Kareem Reagans, one of my favorite drummers

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Speaker 1: and one of my favorite musicians, like just a regular

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Speaker 1: collaborator with Jay Dilla. And this track is called Beside April.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Bad, Bad, Not Good. They're all musicians,

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Speaker 1: so this is just a band playing their thing. But

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Speaker 1: the track is this very smooth sounding and it feels

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Speaker 1: like a like a psychedelic like Italian spy movie like

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Speaker 1: score something like that. But it gets funk too. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm telling you. I'm trying to give

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Speaker 1: people a mood so they understand what that's like. Maybe yeah,

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Speaker 1: draw you into to listening to it. So this is

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Speaker 1: Beside April with Bad, Bad, Not Good featuring Kareem Riakings.

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Speaker 1: Damn all right, I am intrigued and I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: check that shut out well. The Daily Zeitgeist is a

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio from our podcast from my

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Speaker 1: wherever you listening to your favorites shows that is going

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Speaker 1: to do it for us this morning. But we're back

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Speaker 1: this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we will

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Speaker 1: talk to y'all that Bye bye,